
What happens when someone tries to destroy your reputation, your business, and your name online? In this Digital Social Hour episode, Sean Kelly sits down with Lika Osipova to discuss reputation attacks, stalking, online smear campaigns, Russian stereotypes, beauty pageants, modern dating, transactional relationships, self-respect, and rebuilding after public pressure. Lika shares how a stalker allegedly targeted her and several other people, spread false articles online, contacted people in her network, and caused brands and media contacts to distance themselves. She explains how lawyers, investigators, and the FBI eventually became involved. The conversation also covers her move from Russia to America, her experience in Los Angeles and Las Vegas, why she created a Miss Russia pageant to challenge stereotypes, and how social media has changed fame, dating, and public perception. Later, Sean and Lika discuss money, relationships, loyalty, family values, dating in L.A., adult pl...
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Lika O.
with a guy and build something together than just to be married to someone who already has billions. And like what? I don't want him to even like question my feelings. I don't want him to think that I come here for something. The girl's thinking if she's pretty, she can use the guy for that. Like I want this lifestyle. You need to provide me that because I'm a full package and you need to do that. That's horrible.
Sean
Okay, guys, got Lea on the show today in Las Vegas.
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
Let's go.
Lika O.
Welcome back, Vegas.
Sean
You come here a lot, right?
Lika O.
Yes. Yeah, I love, I love it here.
Sean
What do you like about it?
Lika O.
The vibe, you know, the special vibe that you guys have here. It's something like you are come and you just on a Vacation, you know?
Sean
Yeah. Everyone's kind of laid back, you know.
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
They come here to gamble, have fun, de stress. I tried LA out before Vegas, but I like it here more.
Lika O.
You like it here more? What do you like most about it?
Sean
Oh, the food. Food's really good. And the networking.
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
You know, everyone comes here for conferences and UFC and all that stuff, you know.
Lika O.
Yeah. So that's the best.
Sean
Plus, when I was in la, it was during the pandemic. Oh, so it wasn't that fun.
Lika O.
For sure.
Sean
Yeah. I know. You're there now though, right?
Lika O.
Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. I remember that. You know, I think the life kind of separate us before the pandemic and after in all the ways. So. Yeah. Kind of crazy.
Sean
You think you're gonna stay there?
Lika O.
You know, I think, like, I'm gonna be more in Florida, like, doing stuff right now. I really like it. But, yeah, Los Angeles, it's like, heart of our business.
Sean
Yeah. It's hard to beat Florida right now, too. Miami.
Lika O.
Yeah. Do you like Miami? Yeah, I love Miami.
Sean
I don't think I could live there though, because of humidity. But, yeah, it's good for business.
Lika O.
It's very good.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
The price is better.
Sean
Yeah. Any stalkers lately? I know you dealt with one in the past.
Lika O.
Oh, yes, I had one, so hopefully not anymore. I still kind of, you know, fill
Sean
everyone in on what happened.
Lika O.
So one year and a half woman was targeting me and another 25 people in our industry, brutally. Yes. So first it all started that someone broke into my house and police came and said, you know, look like it's your stalker, because nothing was stalled. And I was like, no, I don't have any stalkers. Then I forgot about this situation. Like, okay, maybe something happened. Maybe, like, I had no clue what happened. And then my restaurant burned down. Serious. 17 or 25 articles about me online that I'm a fraud, Russian fraud, that I stole $6 million from United States.
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
That I have an agency in Colombia and I'm selling people human trafficking.
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Sean
That's a big claim.
Lika O.
Yes. And it's everywhere. When you Google me, you see all those articles and, okay, so the source is not even like, serious source, but still, people don't look at that. People don't understand.
Sean
They just Google your name.
Lika O.
They just Google your name. They see, like, first front and they already think that you are a fraud. But it's not all. She starts sending all those emails to people that I work with, to all the media that made articles about me. She sent it to LA magazine, everywhere, all the even like to people that you and me know that you just mentioned everyone and people start canceling me. They didn't want to work with me because they thought it was true. Long story short, I hired a lawyer, I hired a detective. She pepper sprayed it active and she made another article that he actually wanted to grab her on the street and do something with her.
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Lika O.
So yeah. And FBI included to this case, thank God. And she was arrested by the FBI.
Sean
How did you find out it was a girl?
Lika O.
Because during all this craziness, people started emailing me that lika we also target for this the same stalker because I posted in my social media about that. And another pop star from Canada, she emailed me that she had the same stalker. So she targeted not only me, another like 20 people and their families.
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
How was she monetizing this? Like, was she trying to make money? Like blackmail? Hey, guys, you know I don't do promos for just anybody.
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Lika O.
She like, I. I also try to ask myself, but I think not about that. She wanted to put us all down because she hate success. Like successful people. She was full of jealousy and evil emotions and she just wanted us to be canceled.
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
Plus, I'm Russian and she hates Russia.
Sean
Was she targeting a lot of Russians?
Lika O.
I was humane target.
Sean
Okay. All females she targeted or female and male.
Lika O.
It was like females and males. I think this person hit everyone.
Sean
Jeez.
Lika O.
Yeah, she hated everyone that pretty successful, so.
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
Yeah, knock on wood. I don't have any stalkers yet.
Lika O.
Lucky you.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
Is it a wood?
Sean
Yeah, this is a wood table. But yeah, I did get doxxed once my address got leaked. Oh, that sucked.
Lika O.
Yeah, she posted my number, my. My address everywhere.
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
Yeah. So all people that google me, they see everything about me that's awful. Like everything. And she fabricated things that I never had, like lawsuits. She said that I had. She put some different things that not Even related to me and she thought it was me.
Sean
That's terrible.
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
So it affect your business a lot?
Lika O.
Oh, my God, yes. My relationship. Because say I do podcast with you and tomorrow she gonna start targeting you. She's gonna post a lot of things about you.
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
Yeah. Like, you know these guys. Pedophile. Can you imagine? You, like, invite people and they read that you pedophile. It's not fun, right?
Sean
Yeah, that wouldn't be fun.
Lika O.
Yeah. So that's what she did.
Sean
Wow. She was sabotaging you.
Lika O.
Yes.
Sean
And you have a few businesses, right? You have a restaurant, you got the modeling stuff.
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
So it's affecting all of that.
Lika O.
Yeah. So she said that I was like selling people through my Miss Russia because I'm the first founder of Miss Russia. When I came to America, I started making this pageant and she said that I was trying to sell girls, like, all the crazy things.
Sean
That's nuts.
Lika O.
Yeah. But people. Some people believed. Can you imagine that that's the most crazy thing that some people believe in, that they wanted to believe in that because they see like Russian making something in America. Like maybe she's doing some frauds.
Sean
I think most people read headlines. They don't read the article. I think 87%, something really high like that.
Lika O.
Plus a lot of people gonna most believe in negative things about people than
Sean
in a positive 100%.
Lika O.
If someone gonna say she's a pop star, she's incredible talent, It's. Who cares about that? When someone reads she's a Russian fraud and she stole $6 million. Yeah. That's something like wow, easily. Yeah, we want to share that.
Sean
Yeah. So. So do you have a lot of haters?
Lika O.
Well, I think all public people have haters. I can say that I have a lot of haters. I have more like my soul mates, people who support me and everything that I do. But at the same time, I do have some people that. Not really like that.
Sean
Yeah. It's inevitable, I think, when you hit a certain level.
Lika O.
Yeah. Do you think it's a normal thing? How do you think people need to handle that?
Sean
I. I don't respond. Everyone has their different strategies. Some people respond, some people make fun of them, Some people just block them. I just don't even respond. I don't block either, though.
Lika O.
You don't block?
Sean
No, because it helps the algorithm when they hate.
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Lika O.
So you see how life is making like the live is crazy. The more negative they gonna talk, the more popular you're gonna be.
Sean
Right.
Lika O.
So it means that you don't need to be even like talented because who gonna put negative comments to nugget to like talented people. So like no like explain. It's. It's kind of. I can understand that.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
So it's better to do weird things. So people gonna like.
Sean
That's true though. All the famous people now are streamers. Yeah, live streamers. They're doing weird stuff.
Lika O.
You know how weird you can do.
Sean
I don't, I don't do that kind of shit. But yeah, they start fights. They like say weird stuff. I know they cause drama.
Lika O.
Do you like Russians?
Sean
I don't know too many. You're the second Russian I've ever met.
Lika O.
Tori, you never, you never answered to my question.
Sean
I would say oh no. I met three I met three. I met an artist. That's Rush. Most famous Russian artist in the world, Vladimir Kush. He's been on the show. So I met three Russians and I like them all.
Lika O.
Oh.
Sean
I've never had Russian food though. That's usually how I judge a culture.
Lika O.
Oh.
Sean
By the food.
Lika O.
Seriously?
Sean
Yeah. That's very important to me how you judge people. People, if they're nice to me, but also people are nice to me, like because I have a following. So I, I see how they treat people close to me.
Lika O.
That's a good point. The same. If you are successful, they're gonna treat you nice.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
If tomorrow you're not gonna be successful, some people gonna not even gonna want to talk to you.
Sean
Exactly.
Lika O.
That's the bad thing about our world.
Sean
You find out your real friends when you're at the bottom.
Lika O.
That's what happened when I had stalker.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
So I really understand who was in my team and who were against me.
Sean
Same with me.
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
When I lost all my money the second time, I found out who was still with me, you know.
Lika O.
That's sad.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
But it's life. We need to be strong.
Sean
Have to be. It's a very up and down lifestyle in the social media world, you know?
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
Right now it seems like it's. It's pretty hot though, with podcasts and social media.
Lika O.
I know, Tell me about it.
Sean
Yeah. Look at you, right? You're blowing up. I mean, you spent a million dollars on a resort world music video, right?
Lika O.
Yeah. I'm kind of the first artist that shut down seven prime location at the resorts world.
Sean
That's crazy.
Lika O.
Yeah. I brought Eric Roberts and I remember when we filmed my music video short movie, because it's not like music video, it's more like a short movie. And Neo were there artists, you know, pop artists. Neo, and he's like, okay, show me that artist that closed all those locations. I'm like, it's me. And he was like, wow, that's impressive. So that's how I like felt special. You know, if Neo said that, that's probably it is special.
Sean
He's been around for a while. Neo?
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
In, in. In Vegas. Right.
Sean
In the music industry, not a lot of people make it that long.
Lika O.
Yeah, you're right.
Sean
Yeah. It's a tough industry to last.
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
Why do you think that is? Why do you think it's so hard to make it so long in the music industry?
Lika O.
I think it's a few factors all the time. You need to work your off, you know, like you need to do some stuff. That's number one. Number two, you probably need to create a lot of viral things too. So people, because you know, some artists, they don't even have social media. It's very important right now.
Sean
Their teams run it for them.
Lika O.
Yeah, right. Because people want to follow you live. I want to follow some music stuff, but I also want to see like what's going on in your life.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
So when the person stopped like posting, I'm, I, I lose interest to this artist. I don't know, maybe it's bad, you
Sean
know, that makes sense. If you stop seeing someone for like a couple months, you've kind of forget about them.
Lika O.
So that's probably also you need to always like engage, you know, always post stuff. And that's how you also going to bring you money.
Sean
That's why I post every day.
Lika O.
You post every day?
Sean
Six times.
Lika O.
Oh, wow.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
So how you become viral, how you
Sean
make all those millions, It's a formula actually. I used to think going viral was lucky, but you can actually predict going viral. So we get, we get over 100 million views a month every single month consistently. So I've got it down to a science. If you guys want the formula, I gotta charge you. But yeah, there's the formula. It's basically the hook.
Lika O.
Class exchange. I'm gonna say you something like, what
Sean
are you gonna trade me for the formula? Yeah, you got something good for me?
Lika O.
Let me think about it.
Sean
You could teach me how to win a beauty pageant.
Lika O.
Or I can teach you some Russian.
Sean
Oh yeah, that might come in handy one day. I've never been there.
Lika O.
You've never been? Do you know any Russian words?
Sean
Nope.
Lika O.
No.
Sean
None.
Lika O.
None.
Sean
What should I know?
Lika O.
Bad words.
Sean
If I get in a situation with a Russian guy, what should I say?
Lika O.
You should say vodka.
Sean
Oh, I know that word because it's vodka.
Lika O.
It's an old language. It's vodka. No, I'm joking to you because. So talking about the stereotypes, you just mentioned Miss Russia, why I decided to create Miss Russia pageant only because I wanted to break the stereotype that Russian speaking ladies want only money from you. Like money, money, money. When you, when you hear Russian girl like Russian woman first, that you think, oh, probably she needs a green card. She needs me. She needs to use me to get something. No. So I decided to create a show that going to showcase all the talent of the Russian speaking ladies and to bring them to the next level and to help to build a career.
Sean
Nice.
Lika O.
And I did it for like 10 years and that's how I Built my brand, my name. I also did a reality show for the Russian network. It was pretty successful. And what I really like that American big, like, people from industry came and support the show.
Sean
That's great. What was the show about, the reality show?
Lika O.
It's about Miss Russia in America.
Sean
Oh, okay. It was like, behind the scenes of it.
Lika O.
Yeah, it's all behind the scenes. Yeah.
Sean
Has a Russian woman ever won the Miss Worlds? The world pageant show?
Lika O.
Oh, I think, yeah. In the past, for sure. Yeah.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
Russian, like, you know, right now because of the things that's going on, like, in Russia.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
I don't think that even, like, Russian ladies participate somewhere.
Sean
Yeah. They're not allowed in the Olympics, I think.
Lika O.
Yes. That's actually so sad.
Sean
That's sad.
Lika O.
That's very sad.
Sean
Because you train your whole life, right? And then you can't be.
Lika O.
And Russian, like, people, they so talented. They're really talented. And that's that. I don't think it's fair to those people. But at the same time, you know that it's so funny that we mentioned that I started working and you know, this person, you know Charlie Walk, Right. I know you follow him. So Charlie Walk is the one who discovered me, and he really liked the way I sound. And he said that I need to continue. He worked with me. We released a few songs together. And I remember he said, I'm like, oh, I'm Lika Osipova. He's like, okay, stop it. From now you're gonna be Lika O. And I said, I like it. But I also asked Charlie, like, charlie, do you think that my Russian last name somehow gonna be like, a red flag? And he said, no, forget about that. People love. People love Russian people. Like, we are Americans. We love Russian people. You don't need to feel bad about that. You are Russian, because honestly, I feel really bad.
Sean
Really?
Lika O.
Yes.
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
When people ask me two years ago, where are you from? It took me like a few seconds, like, what should I say?
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
I had no idea because I got this kind of look, like, weird look, like, oh, okay.
Sean
Oh, from the war, the Russia, Ukraine.
Lika O.
Yeah. But I'm the one who moved to America, like, 20 years ago.
Sean
Right.
Lika O.
I still have an accent.
Sean
Yeah. You didn't lose the accent?
Lika O.
No, I don't want that.
Sean
That thick Russian accent. Yeah. Because sometimes when people move, they lose their accent.
Lika O.
Yeah. But not only Russians, but, like, in general, when people live here for 20 years, they can lose. But I. I think I'm on purpose. I like it.
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Lika O.
It's good for Brandon and people can understand that. I'm not from America.
Sean
Right.
Lika O.
Where are you from? Are you Brazilian? From Colombia.
Sean
So you have, have you been back
Lika O.
since you left Russia last time I, I was in 2019.
Sean
Okay. So before the pandemic.
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Lika O.
Yes, everything changed. Everything changed. Like big time.
Sean
Yeah for good or.
Lika O.
Yeah, I mean, how can I say for. For good? It's a war.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
Yeah, yeah.
Sean
It's tough over there right now. One day I hope it settles and we can all go back. I love traveling.
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
How many countries I've been to 27.
Lika O.
What's your favorite?
Sean
Thailand or Greece?
Lika O.
I love Greece.
Sean
Yeah, Greece is hard to beat. We just did Mykonos and that was pretty good too. That was beautiful. But Greece is amazing.
Lika O.
So you like pure American?
Sean
I'm half Chinese, half Irish.
Lika O.
Oh, wow.
Sean
Yeah. But I was born here.
Lika O.
That's a great mix.
Sean
Yeah, I've never met someone with that mix actually.
Lika O.
Wow.
Sean
I'm the only one. No, I'm just kidding.
Lika O.
But I was like, okay, I've met a lot. I'm going to say anything.
Sean
I've met a lot of people and that's a rare mix. I feel like, you know Chinese and Irish. Have you been to China?
Lika O.
No. Do you like Asian food?
Sean
Yes. Yeah, I eat it every day.
Lika O.
Every day.
Sean
Almost every day, yeah.
Lika O.
Oh, wow.
Sean
Chinatown. Chinatown is the spot. It's hard to beat Asian food. All right, what else we got? So when you moved here, you didn't speak any English, Right. Who taught you?
Lika O.
So when I moved, I moved to Brooklyn. Hello, Brooklyn. Everyone speak Russian in Brooklyn. And I was like, what should I do? I moved to Los Angeles. That's how I started learning English here. Yeah. But, you know, I never had this kind of bad feeling that, I don't know, English people can understand me. I'm such a go getter. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna explain like this. They're gonna understand me, but I'm just gonna go do my show.
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Lika O.
So that's how it all started. Just go and do it. Just like, never think twice, you know, some people, you know why they not making it? They overthink stuff. Oh, what if. What people gonna think about me? Oh, what if I'm not enough for that?
Sean
100?
Lika O.
Go and try make some stuff. Even if it's not gonna be successful. At least you tried.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
If you never try, you never know.
Sean
100, right. So your goal when you came here was to make a name for yourself, make some money.
Lika O.
Yeah. So I knew I'm gonna make it from, like, first day I stepped. First day I came into this country, I'm like, I'm gonna make it here. I'm gonna do. I'm gonna work. I'm gonna do everything just to. To do it.
Sean
That's a good mindset. Immigrant mindset.
Lika O.
Exactly.
Sean
Yeah. Immigrants work hard.
Lika O.
We work hard. Yeah. I. I remember, I like, travel that I. I drive, like, two, three hours. And I. I was a cashier at the pawn shop. That's how I started.
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
Yes.
Sean
And you had to drive two hours to work.
Lika O.
Yes.
Sean
Holy crap.
Lika O.
Yeah. So. And it was not a safe place to work. I didn't care. I needed to save my money. I. I never had any sugar dates.
Sean
Really?
Lika O.
Never in my life.
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
No. And not because I couldn't have or couldn't find one.
Sean
Yeah, you easily could have found one.
Lika O.
No, because I never had a goal. I never wanted someone to tell me that I made you. I help you to do that. And some guys, they actually love to blame girls, you know, I never wanted that. And not because I'm the one who put the guys down or, like, showing my superpower. No. I still treat. Man is a king. And I think the man needs to be a man in all the relationship. But I just never wanted and never had this Goal to use someone to bring me to the next level.
Sean
Yeah. So you were very independent.
Lika O.
Very independent.
Sean
You didn't want to rely on a man?
Lika O.
No, I don't want to rely on men. But I still want a man to be a provider. I still want a man to be. To make more money than I'm making. It's a normal thing. Like, normal thing. But if we have it like I would say bad financial situation, I always going to support my man. If we together, I want together, like me and him to grow. Not like it's like me, me, me, or like he's doing his stuff. No, let's grow together. Let's build our empire together. Let's to lift each other, like to the next level.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
That's the power and beauty of relationship, I think.
Sean
Do they have to be Russian?
Lika O.
No. I mean, I don't care.
Sean
You don't care?
Lika O.
I don't care.
Sean
Oh, wow. Your parents didn't care.
Lika O.
But why, why, why you. You have this stereotype, like, Russian Mary, only Russian.
Sean
Well, my mom was Asian. She. She always wanted me to marry an Asian.
Lika O.
Oh. Yeah.
Sean
But I didn't do that.
Lika O.
Oh, okay.
Sean
Yeah. I think it's every culture, they kind of want you to stay within it sometimes, you know? You don't think so?
Lika O.
Come on, I live in America, like already 20 years.
Sean
Yeah, that's true.
Lika O.
Yeah. It's not because of that.
Sean
What if they're shorter than you? Does that matter?
Lika O.
You're so funny. No, I never thought about that. You know what? I'm a Libra. I'm all about vibes. So if it's something like giving me the vibe that I want to be with this man. I don't care if he's short. I don't care if he's making not enough money. The only thing that I care, I don't want him to be a loser. I don't want him to be like, just someone who play games all the time or like, do nothing, have no ambitious. No. Why. Why do I need my waste my time?
Sean
Right?
Lika O.
But I don't care. Like, even if he has a little dad bod. It's okay.
Sean
That's all right.
Lika O.
It's okay. Wow. Why do we. Okay, so can I ask you something? Why? We judge people by looks? But why?
Sean
So according to them, looks tell you a lot about the person.
Lika O.
Okay, so you think if he has a little belly, he's not responsible, he's lazy.
Sean
That's the stereotype.
Lika O.
Yeah, Love it. You just mentioned right? Word stereotype. Let's break the stereotypes. Maybe he has a health issues.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
So what do you think? If person have a health issues, you just need to like say, oh, I don't, I don't like that person. It means that you're not ready to build a serious relationship. Because if a mature person want to build a serious, serious relationship, he needs to understand, he or she, that we can go through medical situation, health situation, financial struggle. And you need to accept this person as is, not to make him perfect. No one is perfect.
Sean
No one is.
Lika O.
No.
Sean
No one.
Lika O.
No one.
Sean
Yeah, I don't. I don't believe in perfect.
Lika O.
Actually.
Sean
I think it's impossible.
Lika O.
Yeah. For like short term, just to have fun, to have this kind of stuff. Situationship. Okay. You can have your model looking person and just to have fun, but if you want to really, really build a family, I don't think you need to see, oh, this person is a little shorter. Oh, this person is like have huge nose.
Sean
That could have went so many different ways.
Lika O.
So. Yeah, no, it's not important to me.
Sean
Okay. Situationship. I haven't been in any of those.
Lika O.
Really? Never?
Sean
What is that?
Lika O.
No one night stands?
Sean
No.
Lika O.
Good.
Sean
Been with one girl my whole life.
Lika O.
Whole life?
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
Are you serious?
Sean
Mm, yeah. Yeah. No one night stands, no situationships, no friendship with benefits.
Lika O.
Can I ask you a personal question? Yeah, if you.
Sean
Go ahead. 29.
Lika O.
You're 29?
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Just turned 29.
Lika O.
With the one girl?
Sean
Yeah, since I was 20. Wow. Yeah.
Lika O.
That's great.
Sean
Nine years.
Lika O.
So now you can understand what I'm talking about. I bet that you're the guy. Not if. If you girl gonna be like overweight for some health issues. You're not gonna leave her?
Sean
No, I'm sapiosexual, so I. Do you know what that is?
Lika O.
No.
Sean
I prefer intelligence over physical attributes.
Lika O.
And she's two.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
Okay, so you.
Sean
Well, I don't know if she is actually, but.
Lika O.
So you don't have sex?
Sean
I do, but it's not. It doesn't rank high for me in priorities.
Lika O.
So it's not your priority.
Sean
It's not my number one. A lot of guys, it's number one. Number two.
Lika O.
Yeah. So you can have sex or you cannot have sex.
Sean
Yeah, it's. It's whatever.
Lika O.
Yeah. Or you can have sex by yourself without her.
Sean
I don't master. I don't watch.
Lika O.
You don't watch?
Sean
No. It's terrible for you.
Lika O.
It's terrible for me.
Sean
It's terrible for your mental health. Yeah. For men and women.
Carl's Jr. Spokesperson
Wow.
Sean
Yeah. You didn't know that?
Lika O.
No.
Sean
Stop It.
Lika O.
No, tell me why.
Sean
Have you seen the brain studies of people that watch porn?
Lika O.
What happened?
Sean
It's. Their brain is the same as a cigarette smoker.
Lika O.
Are you serious? I don't smoke.
Sean
Yeah, well, cigarettes obviously are bad for you, but if you watch porn a lot, it's really bad.
Lika O.
If you have sex, it's also give you that bad.
Sean
No, sex is good for you.
Lika O.
Sex is good.
Sean
Yeah, it's just porn bad. Yeah.
Lika O.
But what if you watch during the
Sean
sex, that's probably bad for you.
Lika O.
Bad.
Sean
Yeah. Cuz then you're. That means you can't get aroused from your partner, so you're watching porn to supplement it, in my opinion.
Lika O.
Wow.
Sean
Why do you do that? Sounds like it. That's a yes.
Lika O.
I thought we all watch. I'm sorry, but I thought so.
Sean
No, no.
Lika O.
Wow, I'm blushing.
Sean
Yeah, there's a. A lot of guys don't watch it anymore. Yeah, I used to.
Lika O.
You used to?
Sean
Yeah, I used to watch it.
Lika O.
But wait a second. So you want to tell me that someone brainwashed you and say that it's bad and you believed and you stop watching that?
Sean
It wasn't one person. It was multiple doctors I had on the show, former stars, multiple different perspectives. I don't. I don't form opinions based off one person.
Lika O.
Oh, that's good.
Sean
Okay, you. You're too gullible if you're doing that.
Lika O.
Got it.
Sean
You got to hear multiple different people from walks of life, then form your own opinion.
Lika O.
That's amazing. Do you believe that person can have only one partner in the whole life or the whole life?
Sean
What do you mean? Like sexually.
Lika O.
Sexually?
Sean
Yeah, I'm doing it.
Lika O.
No, but you're still 29. Let's talk in 10 years.
Sean
I'll be fine.
Lika O.
Yeah, you'll be fine.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
What about her? Do you think she will be fine?
Sean
I hope so.
Lika O.
What if she's gonna come to you personally and say, sean, I love to eat this salad, this Asian salad, but I want to put a little bit spicy dressing. Let's spice up our relationship, bring in another in person.
Sean
So a throuple?
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
I wouldn't do a throuple.
Lika O.
No?
Sean
No. I just had someone on last week that's in a throuple. She's in. She has a girlfriend and a boyfriend. Oh, so he gets to have sex with both the girls.
Lika O.
Okay.
Sean
And it's an open relationship.
Lika O.
Oh. How do you think it works?
Sean
Yeah, they're happy.
Lika O.
No, for you. No.
Sean
Oh, no. For me, no.
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No.
Lika O.
Because you're conservative.
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Just.
Sean
I don't know the word. It wouldn't work for me, you know? What about for you?
Lika O.
No, no, no.
Sean
You're monogamous relationship.
Lika O.
No, I, I, if I'm into man, I want to be with this man. I mean, I love girls. Girls are beautiful. I love girls. I mean, I love girls in a different way. Yeah, like, I love the beauty of the girls, but like to leave or like to please a guy who gonna tell me, oh, let's have this threesome. It's gonna be better for our relationship. It's all bs. They just want to sell it to the girls. So girls bring this fun to them, but they still gonna cheat on them.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
Yes.
Sean
You hear that, Michael Sartin? No, I'm just kidding. He loves those three ways.
Lika O.
Oh, Michael. Yes. I mean, no, I don't want to judge Michael or any other guys. Guys, I'm not here to judge anyone because all of us have our own like lifestyle and fantasies and everything. But in general, for me, no, I don't want that.
Sean
Where does sex rank for you? Is it really important?
Lika O.
Yeah, sex is very important. If like I would, I would say sex is number one.
Sean
What?
Lika O.
Yes.
Sean
Over money, you would have sex with someone that made no money?
Lika O.
Of course I can have sex with someone who have no money.
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Wow.
Sean
Speechless.
Lika O.
Why is speechless? Do you think I need to have sex only with someone who has money?
Sean
Well, sex should be a very special thing.
Lika O.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wait. Now I need to ask you something. So you think that I need to go have sex only with someone who has money?
Sean
Well, yeah, because if you're having sex, you're dating them.
Lika O.
But like how you include money into that?
Sean
Basically, if you're going to date someone, wouldn't you want them to have some money? Like you don't want to date a broke guy.
Lika O.
No, but let's say we all have ups and downs. Okay, Maybe he broke today, but tomorrow he's gonna be better. Or you don't believe in that.
Sean
So you're betting on his future?
Lika O.
No, of course I can see. I can see that the guy have this kind of ambition. Ambition. I can feel that.
Sean
I mean, I believe in that. My girl was with me when I
Lika O.
was broke, you see.
Sean
But I think that's a rare situation.
Lika O.
That's a rare situation, but we. Girls, please, please, if you listen to me right now, don't hunt and don't go and find. Try to find rich guys. Give a guys a chance. If a guy has like desire to be successful, to make money, please date these guys. Give them A chance. Don't even think about money situation.
Sean
Wow, the guys are gonna love you in the comments.
Lika O.
I'm all about that guys. I'm all about that. I'm so against when the girls say and showing this like presents. He bought me this, this. So he actually buying you. He not even respect you as a woman. He just want you to like, like he want you, he want you to be like his trophy. Yeah, well, yeah, like, like why?
Sean
No, yeah, you probably see a lot of that in la.
Lika O.
No guys, I'm. I'm not into that. Honestly. It's never like money situation. Never scare me. But again, I don't want to date a loser. I don't want someone who like just sitting at home and do nothing. No, let's do together. But sex can be awesome with anyone. It doesn't matter he has money or he has no money.
Sean
Wow, that's a hot take.
Lika O.
I mean it's true. Wow.
Sean
I've never heard of someone ranking sex above money like a female.
Lika O.
Really?
Sean
Yeah, you're the first.
Lika O.
Wow, I'm shocked. Honestly.
Sean
Well, I have on a lot of only fans girls and oh no, I'm
Lika O.
not an only fan.
Sean
Yeah, people like that. You know one out of. I think it's one out of five Gen Z females does only fans now. One out of five?
Lika O.
Really?
Sean
You think that's high.
Lika O.
That's crazy.
Sean
That's really high, right? It's tough out here these days, guys.
Lika O.
I better not to make any money than go into only fans you've probably been offered, right? I'm not gonna do any stuff like
Sean
you wouldn't do it for a million.
Lika O.
I can do it for.
Sean
Now we're talking guys. Once the money comes into play, people change their minds.
Lika O.
Okay? Can I tell you honestly, if you're gonna say go and sleep with this guy for $1 million or go to sleep with your dream guy and he's not making money at all. I would go and sleep with the guy that I would. Stop it.
Sean
Yes you would.
Lika O.
I would go and sleep with the guy and I'm gonna get. I'm a Libra. I'm all about emotions. I don't care about any other things. And trust me, in this industry that I am in, I got a lot of offers, different kind of offers and I never accept any of that.
Sean
Yeah, I bet you did in Hollywood, guys.
Lika O.
I'm not talking that about that. People say oh my God, you're so amazing. Wow, wow, wow. No, I'm just sharing with you my story. So that's me.
Sean
Wow. So you're big on the astrology, it sounds like.
Lika O.
Yeah. What's your sign?
Sean
I'm an Aquarius.
Lika O.
When is your birthday?
Sean
Valentine's Day.
Lika O.
Are you serious?
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
You know, you're also all about love. You're emotional.
Sean
Really? Aquariuses are usually logical.
Lika O.
But you're. Yes, you're logical, but you also have emotions. You don't have emotions.
Sean
I suppress them, yeah.
Lika O.
Why?
Sean
Childhood trauma. I used to be very emotional when I was a kid.
Lika O.
So you work on yourself.
Sean
Yeah, now I'm trying to get my emotions back.
Lika O.
Wow.
Sean
Yeah, I shut them off for years.
Lika O.
That's. That's. That's actually. Honestly, I feel bad.
Sean
I know a lot. A lot of guys do it, though, to be honest, because we. We have to portray a certain toughness and image so we kind of. People see emotions as soft as a guy.
Lika O.
I know, but it. You know, I want to cry.
Sean
I appreciate that.
Lika O.
And you know why? Because if I had a son who tell that. That you just telling me, I would definitely cry and I would, like, want to come and hug this person. Because, you know, like, everything that we talk today, it's kind of weird. Money, sex for money. No emotion. You need to control your emotion. When are we gonna leave? Why do we need to think that way? Why? We just can't be ourselves.
Sean
Yeah, I wish. I think social media causes you to be something fake. Yeah, to be fake, naturally, because you're trying to live up to everyone's expectation. So there's a level of fakeness.
Lika O.
Yeah, I don't care about anyone and any expectation they have, I don't really care. I'm never gonna change, you know, it's gonna hard. It's gonna be hard for me. And it is hard for me to be this way in the industry and think this way, but it's better me to take longer but I'm gonna get there than to just to sell my soul.
Sean
Respect.
Lika O.
I'm never gonna sell my soul. I'm never gonna do any bad things. Things I'm never gonna sell myself. No. Like, it's better. It's better not to be successful. But at the end, it's just you and you. At the end of our journey, it's just you and you. You can, like, lie to anyone. You can lie to yourself.
Sean
True.
Lika O.
And when are we gonna be old? What should I remember? Like, the guys that use that I slept for money. Like, people that even not respect respected me. And I did this for what? For fame? For a little, like, attention? For extra likes? No.
Sean
No respect.
Lika O.
It's never gonna happen.
Sean
Yeah. I don't want any regrets when I'm dying.
Lika O.
Exactly. No regrets. It's something still. Everyone gonna experience that. Because we're all young, we kind of like, you know, don't think what's gonna happen tomorrow, but think, like, deeper. Life is like that. It's quick. So fast.
Sean
Very quick.
Lika O.
It's so fast. So what are you going to tell your kids? Like, no, I want my kids. I want people to respect. It's for me, it's, it's number one. I want people to respect me. I don't want them think that, oh, she's, she's successful because of this fat dude. He's 70 years old and he helped her. No way. Never. No.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
I don't want my man to love me only because I bring, like, third girl to our bed. I want my man to love this, to appreciate this. Even if I'm okay, maybe I'm gonna be alone, and maybe I'm just gonna be single for my whole life, but still, I don't care about that. I, I, I'm gonna respect myself.
Sean
Yeah. You said sell your soul earlier. Have you seen people go down that route? That route? Really?
Lika O.
Yes, I saw that people, and I know that people.
Carl's Jr. Spokesperson
Wow.
Lika O.
Even the girls who came to participate in Miss Russia, first question they ask, who should I sleep with to win the crown?
Sean
What?
Lika O.
Yes.
Sean
That's crazy.
Lika O.
Yes. And I was like, wait a second. What you just said. You don't need to sleep with anyone. You don't need even to pay to enter the pageant. Because I did all this for them. And they were asking me, like, okay, this pageant probably is boring because where are the sponsors? Where are the money guys? No, it's not my vibe. I saw that. I know how girls can go. And even they can be pregnant from wealthy guys just because they don't need this kid. They don't need kids. They want to make these babies just to protect their future.
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
So it's like a business plan.
Sean
Yeah. Baby trap or whatever it's called.
Lika O.
Yes. No, I don't respect that. I'm never gonna respect that. I'm sorry. But I, I don't want to judge anyone, but I know people that do that, and I, I'm.
Sean
That's messed up for the kid, though.
Lika O.
So it's like, it's like, it's like business plan. It's not even your kid. They just use this kid for money thing.
Sean
Wow. That's nuts.
Lika O.
Yeah. And people don't understand money and success. It's like this, it's like a roller coaster. Today you're on top, tomorrow you can be here.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
You know, and if you don't love your partner, when he gonna go down, you're gonna leave him.
Sean
Yeah. Shout out to my wife because I've lost my money twice now and she was with me both times, you know, respect. She didn't leave.
Lika O.
That's. That's amazing.
Sean
Yeah. And I'm talking like millions to nothing.
Lika O.
That's a real person, that's a real relationship. That's a real wife.
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
I hope more wife like that would exist.
Sean
Absolutely. Yeah. I just hear the worst stories these days about dating, especially in cities, L.A. vegas, Miami. I know, very materialistic.
Lika O.
I know people date to use you in all purposes.
Sean
Yeah. It's a stepping, stepping stone.
Lika O.
The guys want this, the girls want that. I mean, materialistic world.
Sean
Yeah. That's how we were taught in America to make money. Capitalism. I don't know what it was like in Russia, but we were taught to make money here.
Lika O.
Get the best job, get the best job. Just don't use people. Don't play with emotions, don't play with people's feelings. It's not good.
Carl's Jr. Spokesperson
Yeah.
Lika O.
You know, karma, karma, gonna get back to you.
Sean
I believe in karma.
Lika O.
I believe in karma and I know that 100%, if you use someone, someone gonna use you. All these girls who use the guys now, they like in their 40s, the girls, and trust me, the younger guys use them.
Sean
Yeah, yeah, they're still.
Lika O.
Now they become someone's sugar mommy. And the same scenario for these girls. So I don't want this way for me. No way. No.
Sean
When did you come from New York to LA?
Lika O.
18 years ago.
Sean
And you like in LA more than New York?
Lika O.
I like, I love L. A. I love the weather in LA.
Sean
Yeah, the weather's hard to be.
Lika O.
Yeah. I mean, all my family live in la.
Sean
Oh, so everyone from Russia?
Lika O.
Yes, yes, they were here and. No, my dad lives in Russia, but. Because they divorced with my mom, but long time ago. But yeah, I'm in a good relationship with my dad. We have a family when everyone respect each other.
Sean
Nice.
Lika O.
I was raised. I know that my mom treated my. My dad is a king. And I saw that as a girl, you know, I know how relationship can be where you race with love, loyalty, no disrespect and no, like cheating, you know, I don't accept that. I don't want that. It's very healthy relationship.
Sean
Yeah. Cheating is a no no.
Lika O.
Yeah. And it's very hard to be healthy in this Life very hard.
Sean
I think that's. It's a challenge every relationship goes through though, you know?
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
You got to get over it. It's not going to be all sunshine.
Lika O.
No, you need to accept that I'm okay with that. And I know that because I went through all these ups and downs together with my man. Yeah, I don't care about that.
Sean
Oh, so you got someone right now. Is that hidden or private info? Keep the viewers intrigued. Yeah, I keep. I keep my wife pretty private too.
Lika O.
That's the best.
Sean
She's not on social media.
Lika O.
Oh, lucky her.
Sean
Yeah, it's good for your mental health. We both deleted TikTok like a month ago and we sleep way better.
Lika O.
Really?
Sean
Yeah, we track our sleep with oura ring and eight sleep mattress and our scores went up because scrolling's so addictive.
Lika O.
Everything is addictive. All the social media is crazy.
Sean
Like so addicting. Like I'm not even when we put on a movie, I'm on my phone.
Lika O.
Me too.
Sean
Like I'm addicted, dude.
Lika O.
I have everything on my phone. Even like I'm sending emails using my phone.
Sean
Email, Instagram, DMs, text non stop. Just bouncing between the apps. Yeah, it's bad.
Lika O.
I know it's bad. That's why we need to bring this 90s back.
Sean
The 90s?
Lika O.
Yes.
Sean
You like the 90s era?
Lika O.
Well, I'm not that old, but I mean, I mean, I'm telling you that. Remember, like that kind of vibe, no phones, like, yeah, real relationships talking.
Sean
I remember the 2000s.
Lika O.
Yeah, me too. Because 90s, 90s, I was a kid.
Sean
Yeah, I was super young. But 2000s. Yeah. No phone. If we had to order food, we had to call the restaurant.
Lika O.
I don't remember even calling the restaurant, honestly.
Sean
Really?
Lika O.
Maybe because I lived in Russia. Like we didn't have that, but I remember that we had something real. Like real thing, you know, not like this fake situation that happened right now with social media or like someone wants to have the life that someone showing you, but it's not even real life. It's only for clicks and likes. All this beautiful, like lifestyle that you see on Instagram. It's not even real.
Sean
Yeah, it's not. People just show their best and the
Lika O.
girls thinking if she's pretty, she can use the guy for that. Like, I want this lifestyle. You need to provide me that because I'm a full package and you need to do that. That's horrible.
Sean
Absolutely.
Lika O.
And it goes both ways. And the guys too. I'm sorry, but the guys also want the girls only. Like fixed, fake looking.
Sean
I don't like fake.
Lika O.
You don't like fake?
Sean
I don't.
Lika O.
That's good.
Sean
I think it's no offense if you got some surgeries. I don't know if you did, but I didn't. Oh, you didn't.
Lika O.
It's natural.
Sean
Nice. Yeah, I don't. I don't like it, but a lot of guys do like it.
Lika O.
Well, I don't judge girls who did that. With doing that, it's okay. But at the same time, I judge guys who are. Want to have girls only because of that, like, she's fixed. I want to have her like, you know, it's also like, kind of problem they have.
Sean
Yeah. Both genders are. Need some work, I think.
Lika O.
Yeah.
Sean
I think guys are simps now. I think they cave in too easily. But the girls. Here's a crazy stat. Top 20% of the girl. What is it? Or 80% of the girls go after the top 20% of the guys statistically on dating apps.
Lika O.
Really?
Sean
Yeah.
Lika O.
I never been on a dating app ever in my life.
Sean
Really?
Lika O.
Never in my life.
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Wow.
Sean
Why?
Lika O.
Never.
Sean
You wouldn't do it?
Lika O.
Never? No.
Sean
You like in person.
Lika O.
I like in person. I lie. I. I know. I don't do that.
Sean
Well, if you went on an app, you would get 100 requests in an hour. Like, it's. The girls have all the options on the app. No, no, Girls are out. Number 10 to 1.
Lika O.
No, I don't need that. I don't need that kind of. To feel this. Oh, wow. So many likes. So many. Yeah, like, that's amazing. Let's do this. No, I don't have time for that. I feel that I have different priorities in my life.
Sean
Yeah, you could definitely spend a lot of time on them. This girl showed me her Raya app when I was in la. Have you heard of that one? It's a dating app for celebrities. Yeah, it was all.
Lika O.
Still not making it. No, you wouldn't get that even like, for no celebrities. Okay. So I had like, girls night out and one girl said this website for billionaires.
Sean
I know that one.
Lika O.
Yeah. For not for celebrities.
Sean
Seeking arrangement.
Lika O.
I don't.
Sean
Something like that.
Lika O.
And no. No, I. I said no, thank you. Wow.
Sean
You wouldn't date a billionaire.
Lika O.
I don't care if he's billionaire or not. I don't really care.
Sean
Wow.
Lika O.
Like, no. And plus, you know, Sean, honestly, I. Better to be with the guy and build something together than just to be married to someone who already has billions. And like, what? I don't want him to Even question my feelings. I don't want him to think that I come here for something.
Sean
Doubts.
Lika O.
Yeah, like, you know, I don't want that. I really don't. Or maybe if the guy is super successful, I'm okay even to sign that I don't need anything before me. But if we're going to build something together, then yes, I want to have half of that for sure. But no, I'm not the woman who like searching the billionaires like, oh, like, you know, some LA girls, let's go to this place. Because the big money guys come to that place.
Sean
That makes sense.
Lika O.
How sad is that?
Sean
It's fleeting. Yeah. It doesn't last. That's not real love.
Lika O.
It's nothing. It's just like how. How to say not to.
Sean
Just like a transaction.
Lika O.
Exactly. Thank you. It's just a transaction. Transaction. Relationship is not something that I'm looking for.
Sean
Love that well. Leaka, what are you working on next? Where can people keep up with you?
Lika O.
I'm working with amazing person Peter Madrigal. He actually here. Somewhere here. Somewhere here with me. So we're working on a project together. It's a relationship like relationship style of show. Oh, yes. Coming soon.
Sean
Nice.
Lika O.
And if you're ever in la, I would like you to come and be part of that.
Sean
It's a dating show.
Lika O.
It's. It's not a dating show. I can tell a lot about it right now, but it's very unique. And you never seen something like that before.
Carl's Jr. Spokesperson
Nice.
Lika O.
It's more like a reality style show.
Sean
Cool. Well, stay tuned for that, guys. Thanks for coming on.
Lika O.
Thank you.
Sean
Yeah, check her out. We'll link her Instagram and stuff below. Peace. If you learned anything from this episode or got any value at all, please share this episode with a friend. It helps us grow the channel, helps us grow the podcast and it means a lot to us. Thank you so much.
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Lika O (Lika Osipova)
Date: July 16, 2026
In this vibrant episode recorded in Las Vegas, host Sean Kelly sits down with Lika O—a Russian-American entrepreneur, artist, and founder of Miss Russia USA—to unpack her experiences with fame, cancel culture, stalkers, and the harsh realities of the entertainment business. The two dive deep into challenging stereotypes of Russian women, relationships, hard work, and why Lika unapologetically ranks sex as her top priority in life and relationships.
Lika recounts a harrowing experience with an online stalker who targeted her and others with slander, break-ins, arson, and fake headlines, ultimately involving the FBI.
Discussion on the power and damage of headlines and public perception in internet culture.
Lika explains her motivation for Miss Russia USA—to challenge the "gold digger" cliché about Russian women and highlight genuine talent and ambition.
Candidly addresses the stigma and internal conflict about being Russian in the U.S., especially after the war in Ukraine.
Primary headline theme: Lika ranks sex as her number one relationship priority, above money or material security—contrary to stereotypes of "gold digger" Russian women.
Lika is not interested in transactional relationships or "arrangement" dating culture and refuses to compromise herself or her values for fame, money, or status.
Dissects the toxicity of social media and dating apps, the rise of OnlyFans, and how transactional mindsets dominate LA, Vegas, and Miami scenes.
Both agree much of what’s seen online is fake or meticulously curated.
On Stalkers & Cancel Culture:
On Independence:
On Sex vs. Money:
On Transactional Relationships:
On Staying True to Yourself:
On Modern Social Media & Dating:
Overall, this episode offers a bold, honest, and, at times, provocative perspective on success, reputation, love, and personal values in today’s hyper-materialistic, social-media-driven age—anchored by Lika O’s commitment to self-respect, independence, and authentic relationships.