Why The Middle Class Will Completely Vanish Soon | DSH #2007

Summary

Digital Social Hour – Episode #2007

Why The Middle Class Will Completely Vanish Soon

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Charleston White
Date: June 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Digital Social Hour features a deep and raw conversation between Sean Kelly and Charleston White—a provocative social media force known for satirical commentary, controversy, and unfiltered observations on American culture. The discussion explores the vanishing middle class, shifts in Black American culture, generational divides, the influence of new media, mental health as a control tool, parenting dynamics, and more. With Charleston’s trademark blend of humor, directness, and personal storytelling, the episode delves into uncomfortable truths and bold predictions about society's trajectory.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. The Vanishing Middle Class & Economic Divide

• Prediction of a Class Split:
  • "We're going to like the Victorian age, to have and have nots. The gap has gotten too wide..." – Charleston [00:12]; [21:14]
  • Charleston repeatedly returns to the theme of a disappearing middle class, arguing rising economic inequality is driving America back to a rigid, polarized structure (“Victorian age”).
• Examples:
  • Luxury becoming accessible: He mentions how formerly exclusive items (like Audemars watches) are dropping in price, blurring former class indicators. [21:44]
• AI & Economic Pressures:
  • Sean brings up AI as an accelerant of inequality [21:21], with Charleston agreeing on the challenge for two-income households: "A two income household just barely makes it." [22:08]
  • "The average American don't have $5000 in their savings account." – Sean [22:36]

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2. Social Media, Personal Branding, and the New Elites

• Evolution from Viral Persona to Brand:
  • Charleston discusses transitioning from shock-jock viral stunts to building a lasting brand and explains how his online persona outpaced real-life achievements. [00:47–02:21]
  • "I knew I was just acting online... Then I realized the character became more polarizing than what I do in real life." [03:17]
• The Rise of Streamers Over Rappers:
  • "Very much so, because now rappers have to stop rapping and come stream... America belongs to the young and the brave. Those are your streamers." [13:19]
  • Charleston argues streamers are now the gatekeepers for cultural influence—artists once scorned streaming, now they seek access for relevance.
• Adaptability and Playing Roles:
  • Charleston talks about leveraging different personas in different settings (comedy, podcasts, streaming, metaverse), showing fluidity is key for modern content creators. [11:18]
• Income Opportunities Online:
  • Sean plugs new pathways for creators to monetize with small audiences (e.g., Fanview), emphasizing accessibility for regular people. [10:18–11:18]

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3. Generational Perspectives & Changing Black Culture

• Growing Up Black & Middle Class:
  • Charleston shares personal narratives of integrated neighborhoods and minimal exposure to racism ("I'm first generation Dr. King's dream... never got to see racism." [16:33])
• Cultural Shifts:
  • He recounts the “man” as an enemy motif in Black homes—how Black pop culture shifted from seeing oppression to embracing exploitation and criminality in movies, changing generational attitudes. [17:52–19:18]
• Entrenchment in the Middle Class:
  • Charleston underscores the Black middle class as the backbone of America in the '80s, enabled by blue-collar work. [21:10]
• Matriarchy in the Black Community:
  • Discussion of how Black households became female-headed (matriarchal), how fathers’ authority is undermined, and the impact on parenting, regardless of the father's effort or presence. [41:12–66:19]
  • "She over mama...most black women got a better job than the black man." [66:19]

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4. Mental Health, Civil Commitment & Social Control

• Charleston’s Personal Experience:
  • He details being involuntarily committed to a mental institution after antagonizing local police online, describing the use of mental health laws to silence dissent. [46:29–55:07]
  • "I was put into a mental asylum for my social media post." [00:07; 46:29]
  • Describes the “Sandra Bland Act” and how civil commitment strips constitutional rights. He connects this tool historically to power grabs (even within royal families) and control of dissidents. [47:50–58:07]
• Critique of Mental Health Narrative:
  • "If our government is pushing such big mental health...every time I go see a mental health person, I don't learn coping skills and coping mechanisms. Why am I giving medication...?" [44:49]
• Celebrity Examples:
  • Warns that civil commitment is used against problematic public figures (citing Kanye, Britney Spears, Wendy Williams) as a means of social control and suppression. [58:40–59:13]

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5. Parenting, Masculinity & Family Dynamics

• Fatherhood Challenges:
  • Charleston offers candid insights into the struggles of Black fatherhood, shame, emotional absence, being undermined, and the challenge of being present but undervalued without financial means. [65:03–68:08]
  • "It's better to deal with the pain of being absent than the shame of being present." [65:39]
• Parenting Philosophy:
  • Differentiates how he relates to his son versus his daughter.
  • “Daughters move with your spirit...Your love is soft.” [70:51]
  • “The boy love is soft in the beginning, but...I gotta make it hard at one point.” [71:20]
• Old School Discipline:
  • Defends spare-the-rod parenting ("Should we bring back ass whoopings? You goddamn right." [63:56])
  • But also warns against hitting out of frustration, especially by mothers: "It shouldn't be the only alternative...when it's the only result, you teach children when I get mad, hurt people, hit people..." [64:03–64:51]
• Education & Building Social Skills:
  • Shares how he prioritized teaching his son practical skills and behavior over school grades—using apprenticeship, personal responsibility, and reading as keys to success. [77:24–78:05]

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6. Community, Neighborhood, and the Importance of Labels

• Neighborhood vs. Community:
  • “Communities are matrix. What do you mean you don't have neighbors in the community? … Mr. Roger was in the neighborhood. Fuck the community.” [42:16]
  • Advocates for a return to genuine neighborhood relationships and “house parent” approaches in youth services, rather than correctional mindsets. [42:44–43:39]
• Power of Labels:
  • Examines how shifting terms (from "house parent" to "correction officer," or "retarded" to "mentally challenged") shape mindsets and public policy.
  • "Labels shape and control. That's why government tries to label everything as a mental health crisis." [44:34]

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7. Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• "You are a slave to your lender. Who's our lender? China." – Charleston [00:01; 23:13]
• "I didn't want to get stuck [as a viral persona]...that started to become my Persona." – Charleston [01:43]
• "America belongs to the young and the brave. Those are your streamers." – Charleston [13:57]
• "If another pandemic happened, it's going to be scary and it might well break them one." – Charleston [22:44]
• "I spent years trying to go on stage...when I ran into a heckler, I was humbled..." – Charleston [06:21]
• "I love like brainstorming. I don't debate. It's the exchange of information. At some point when we get through, we should have a better understanding of each other." – Charleston [32:01]
• "I can't be a good father till you die. Because a good father has to establish law and order. And nobody likes the man who establishes law and order." – Charleston [68:08]
• "When I found out my son was scared of me, I felt like I was doing something wrong." – Charleston [69:21]
• "Your old ways don't open new doors." – Charleston [34:05]
• "If you know someone in a psych ward now, get them out." – Sean [58:33]
• "They tried to do it to Kanye...it’s a control mechanism...if you speak out, you'll end up there." – Sean [58:40–59:18]

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8. Final Thoughts & What’s Next

• Charleston’s Next Moves:
  • Plans for a tour with Adam—mixing live events and discussions.
  • Bringing financial literacy to schools, working with credit expert Anton Silas.
  • Emphasizes economic empowerment for Black communities: "Credit have never meant anything to the black community, and that's part of our freedom." [81:55–82:21]
• Host’s Closing:
  • Sean thanks Charleston, invites audience engagement, and teases upcoming projects.

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• [00:12; 21:14; 22:08] – The End of the Middle Class: Charleston's predictions
• [06:21] – Humbling experience with a heckler; lessons in professional comedy
• [13:19–14:25] – Streamers overtaking rappers/cultural gatekeeping
• [16:33–21:10] – Reflections on Black middle class, culture, and changing attitudes
• [46:29–55:07] – Involuntary civil commitment and critique of America’s mental health regime
• [65:39; 66:19–68:08] – Fatherhood, shame, and dynamics of presence vs. absence
• [70:50–72:28] – Parenting sons vs. daughters
• [81:55–82:21] – Bringing financial literacy & credit education to Black communities

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Summary

Charleston White brings a mixture of deeply personal stories, social critique, and comedic edge to this wide-ranging conversation with Sean Kelly. The episode persuasively argues that the American middle class is eroding, leaving behind a stark "have/have not" society, as political and economic structures (and emerging technologies) widen gaps. Charleston draws on his own evolution from outsider to brand, critiques new mechanisms of state control via mental health, and reflects on the enduring importance and challenge of parenting. While the outlook at times is bleak, there's also a message of adaptability, the need for community, and empowerment through education and financial literacy.

If you haven’t listened, this episode is packed with eye-opening takes, cautionary tales, and the kind of provocative questions that make Digital Social Hour a must-follow show.

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Transcript

[A]

Do you think China's the main threat to America?

[B]

Yeah, the greatest threat. You are a slave to your lender. Who's our lender? China. I was put into a mental asylum for my social media post.

[A]

Do you still think we'll have a middle class?

[B]

No, but we're going to, like the Victorian age, the have and have nots.

[A]

That's what it feels like, Right?

[B]

The gap has gotten too wide.

[A]

Okay, guys, got Charleston back on the show, man.

[B]

Long time coming.

[A]

Haven't seen you since D.C. since Trump got in office, ever since the inauguration. Wow. You've been busy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You've been grinding, man. It's amazing to see your journey.

[B]

I've been swimming upstream.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I've been swimming upstream. So it. I really. I'm really just now starting to get it.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. In the beginning, you don't understand marketing. You don't understand advertisement. You don't even understand branding. So you do and say things as you're building a platform that hurts your brand, but because you're focused on views, engagements in the platform, but the longer that you continue to build a platform, eventually it becomes a brand. And I hung around so long, my platform became a brand. Hashtag Charleston White has 4 billion hashtags on TikTok. It took me a while to realize that this is just not a social media platform, that I'm actually a brand.

[A]

Yeah. Because a lot of people come and go, but you're still around, you know, you're still peaking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're still ascending.

[B]

And so I had three or four years of being an Internet viral sensation and then became a social media influencer. Whether that was through trolling, being offensive. I didn't want to get stuck there. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't want to get stuck there because that started to become my Persona. And a lot of times an audience attaches a Hollywood character to a person's Persona, and that's what was starting to happen to me. So a lot of things. A lot of doors were being closed on me.

[A]

I feel that.

[B]

So. So the rebranding was, well, let me get into comedy, because that's what I'm actually doing in the beginning anyway, with satire, comedy, shock jockeying. It took Netflix a while to start identifying my kind of comedy. And right now, today on Netflix, it's considered dark humor.

[A]

Yeah. You're on Netflix now.

[B]

No, I'm not. But my kind of comedy is.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

And, and, and. But you got to. In the beginning, before me, you had your Howard Sterns of the world. They were Shock jocks. And. And. And. And it wasn't until XM series radio that Howard Stern got the largest contract ever in radio history. Prior to him, it was Andrew Dice Clay, guys like him in the media world, it was rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck. Those guys was conservative shock jocks. I brought that to the Internet wrapped in a package that was somewhat disrespectful, offensive, controversial, shocking, polarizing. But I had a plan. Yeah. Yeah, I had a plan. So I was starting to understand content creation before the term was really deemed, because I knew I was just acting online. And I knew if you Google my name or you start to look up who I am, then you would see what I do. Oh, man. The guy actually really works for kids. The guy don't have a criminal history. He don't have any felony convictions. He's not violent. He's never been accused of any sexual things. So that was my hopes. But then I realized the character became more polarizing than what I do in real life, and people got stuck on the character.

[A]

Yeah, they thought that was actually you.

[B]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[A]

People were trying you.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So. So they got stuck on the character. So I spent years trying to go on stage and. And do comedy. And. And you had comedians like DL Hughley, a Spears man. What's Big Worm name?

[A]

Big Worm.

[B]

I don't know. Big fat black guy, played Big Worm on Friday.

[A]

I didn't watch that movie.

[B]

What's his name? Oh, yeah, Faison. So you got guys like these guys who are actually comedians doing interviews, you know, discredited me, saying, my kind of company ain't funny. But the audience had a. Had a. This was a supply and demand. I didn't know to create this. People asked for it because in the beginning, I didn't curse in the beginning. I wasn't disrespectful. In the beginning. I wore a bow tie. Very articulate. I didn't smoke pot on camera. None of that. So this kind of became supply and demand.

[A]

Okay, so the comedians didn't like you at first?

[B]

Nah. Because they feel like. They feel like Internet comedians such as myself. Even country Wayne, Desi Banks, even Druski. In the beginning, a lot of comedians didn't receive and accept Internet comedians as real comedians because we. We didn't go through the fire that or the path of most people. Ten years, they said, yeah, it's like we skipped the line. We. But we built an audience to be able to do this right. So my first comedy show was in Atlanta, BET Weekend 2022 Atlanta Comedy Corner. I was booked for $10,000. Sold out, standing ovation. Wow. I did an hour set in. Two years into it, I had a Live Nation tour of me and TK Kirkland two years ago, right before you and I had done our last interview. I had my own residency at Wise Guys Comedy Club out here in Las Vegas for that summer. So I started studying it. Yeah, I started studying it, researching it, almost like going to school for it. Then I started meeting with other comedians such as Scruncho, Chucky, Ducky, and Scruncho. Wrote me my first set. At first, I was just going off pure talent, being able to make people laugh.

[A]

Off the Dome.

[B]

Yeah, off the dome until I ran into a heckler. When I ran into a heckler, that's when I was humbled and realized, I don't know what I'm doing because that heckler took me off my set. And I didn't have a set. I ain't had nothing to fall back on but a heckler standing in front of me. So I hit him in the head with a flower pot. So that's when y' all saw me. The guys rush the stage.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And people think I got assaulted and jumped on the stage.

[A]

But where was this?

[B]

This was in Crockett, Texas. Okay. Those was two guys. One guy couldn't get to me. The other guy tackled me. So by those two guys came on stage, the promoters, their families and friends was already coming on stage to stop everything. So I had a guy tackle me. But. But nothing happened to me. No punches were rethrown. The police were standing right there. But from that side, it looks horrible. Right. That's when I knew talent, your gift and your talent can only take you so far. It gets you to the door and through the door, it don't keep you there. That's why you have to work, exercise. So that's why you saw Kobe in the gym when people wasn't in the gym. That's why you see Mayweather getting up. So part of protecting your gifts and your talent is learning the craft that you're in, studying, working, and exercising. So that's what I started knowing. And so super bowl weekend, I came out here, and I won't repeat the name. He didn't like me at first. He was turned out. He was an older elder. He's real. He's like a drill instructor, so he don't take no bs. He didn't like me at first, but the more he heard me talk, and then he began to ask me questions. He saw different men and, and, and he said, let, let me make a phone call about you. And this after the Live Nation tour. And this is kind of how I got the, the residency and shout out to Craig Boogie, one of Mike, Mike Tyson's former manager. So when he came back, he said, they didn't expect you to be this good. Oh yeah. I, I, I ain't know how to feel about that. I just know between black people and what I see online, everybody hoping and wishing for me to fail, nobody's rooting for my success. And then the people around me don't believe I can do it.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. The people around you, nobody believed I could do this, huh? Everybody. Yeah. Nobody thought this would go anywhere.

[A]

Nobody interesting.

[B]

Nobody believed in this. And the people online was hoping and wishing. I don't. So when he said they didn't think that I was gonna be this good, I reconnected back with an agent who I had in the beginning, Eric Young from Eric Young Productions. So he's my agent. He's Michael Blackson's Tasha K. Gerald Houston's one of Waynes kids. Great guy. I humbled myself and reconnected back to him and man, I don't know what I'm doing on the Internet. It look like I know what I'm doing. And even on the Internet I didn't know because I don't read the community guidelines. I just got a niche to entertain, so I need a structure, but I don't know how to put structured entertainment. I come from working with kids in the community and nobody around me know what to do. Nobody around me knows content creation. Nobody, nobody around me knows Google Ad sharing. Nobody, nobody knows this. So I gotta learn this on my own. Take care of everybody, teach, and still fight of swimming upstream. But when I got with the agency, it, it took, it took the load off because now I can focus on being a content creator and he can get me the bookings I need, make sure, you know, make sure the front end and back end is right and then I can transition with the times. What's transitioning with the times? IRL Freeman?

[A]

Yep. Yeah, I see you taking advantage of that.

[B]

Yeah. So rather than me, rather than me becoming a streamer, we talk a lot

[A]

on this show about making money online, building leverage. But most people still think you need a huge following to start. You don't. That's why I've been looking into Fanview. It's a platform where you can take content you're already making or content you want to start making and actually turn it into income. And it's simple. You create content, upload it, and start building a direct relationship with your audience. From there, you can offer exclusive content subscriptions and basically build recurring income around what you're already doing. What I like is how accessible it is. You don't need a big audience, you don't need experience. You can start from zero and grow it into something real. And it works across niches, not just one type of creator. It's really just about starting and then scaling from there. So if you've ever thought about building something online but didn't know where to start, this is one of the easiest ways to do it. Are you ready to start your own creator journey and make it big? Visit www.fanview.com today and launch your career.

[B]

I made myself valuable to streamers, podcasters, content creators, video uploaders. Why I get views no matter what platform I'm on. You just tell me what I need to do. Who you looking for? The character Ankh. So the streamers gave me a new character Ank. So here I'll just stream. Hey, what's up? So now I get to play honorable uncle who America can love, like Uncle Phil on Fresh Principal. So I get to play all different kind of roles. Then online I get to play come play a villain with the gang bangers and the rap guys. So in. In the podcast world of things, I get to play an intellectual guy. So yeah, so it's just different, different entities I get to step into In. In the metaverse world.

[A]

Yeah, you got a lot of hats. You. You got 11 million views on Cam Newton's podcast. Yeah, that episode blew up.

[B]

Yeah. And me and pbd. What is it? Pat.

[A]

Pat Patrick Beck. David.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we. We did real good.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that one blew up, man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, because you got. You got an intellectual side to you.

[B]

Yeah, it. It depends on who's. Who's in front of me. So I'm a reflection. I have a wealth of knowledge, a wealth of education. I have higher learning education, went to college, studied some pre law prior to dropping out of school before applying to law school. I have some political background, worked on laws and legislation. I was a campaign manager for Albert McDaniels for the Tarrant County GOP Republican Party when he ran against Senator Nicole Collier. I've been the precinct chair for the Tarrant County GOP Republican Party. I've been the election judge, the last guy. So I have a wealth of knowledge and information, but I have to dumb down.

[A]

You match the host Right. Because I saw you on Adam 22.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you matched his energy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you could keep up with PBD at the same time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're versatile.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you take me to United Nations, I can get them to listen too.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. We got to get you there.

[B]

Yeah, I've been trying to get.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Do you think streamers are more influential than rappers now?

[B]

Very much so, because now rappers have to stop rapping and come stream. When once before rappers used to look down on streamers and Internet people. Oh, man. That's an Internet. Oh, man. Them weenie streamers, they look down on them as nerds and kids. Now they almost have to kiss the streamers butts. Or you almost have to go through the. You have to go through them to now have a good album coming down the road. The streamers. America belongs to the. To the. To the young and the brave. Those are your streamers.

[A]

Wow. You respect streamers.

[B]

America belongs to the young and the brave. I have a heart for young people because they're 100% of the future. Everybody my age and your age is talking about things and shit that happened in the past. And we're fighting and arguing about the past, trying to shape the future. They shape the future. We just make it a harder future for them to shape.

[A]

It does seem like every older generation hates the one right after them, Right?

[B]

So the young generation have to try to come undo the. That they did. When I say America belongs to young and the brave. I heard that as a kid in school from a military sergeant, Cat whatever he was. Because I come from a family of military people, right? Dad, granddad, uncles. I grew up playing with GI Joe. So when you think about what Kyle Sanad is doing, he gained world attention and influence from going around the world, doing things, trying cultures, and going all places that most people. Young people in America would dare not to go.

[A]

Yeah, speed, right?

[B]

Yeah, speed. Gotta be pretty brave to do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That kid shows a lot of bravery. Even Kai, Aiden Neon, man. Neon got arrested in another country.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. So you see. So these kids are pretty brave. Uh, do they seem like. I haven't met a. A mean spirited streaming kid yet. Admit one. Yet Admit one year.

[A]

Interesting. So you're optimistic about the younger generation.

[B]

Yeah, they're gonna usher peace into the world. They don't have the hate we have.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

They don't have the hate we have.

[A]

So you feel like your generation has a lot of hate?

[B]

Ours is inherited because we, we didn't. We're we're post civil rights 77 generational trauma. Yeah, I'm first generation. Dr. King's dream. So I'm the kid who didn't go to all black school. Most of my peers that were born in the 70s went to all black school. My mother was a blue collar worker. So we, we're the first generation of black suburban kids prior to the ones who was, went through desegregation, who lived in during the 60s and the early 70s when you were being bussed out. I actually live close to the school, but we walked to school, live next door to white kids. I'm first generation that so I never got to see racism.

[A]

Wow, so you had white friends growing up?

[B]

Yeah, as far back as I can remember in kindergarten.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I spent a night at a white kid's house in second or third grade.

[A]

And your parents let you do that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. I had a. My next door neighbor was a, was an FBI agent. Had a bunch of white kids. They were my friends. On the right of me was Brian Alanis. He was Hispanic. We had Joey Bennett, Nicole Marino lived up the way. So this was a middle class neighborhood where most of us went to school from fifth grade, sixth grade, seventh grade, we went to the high school. So we grew up together.

[A]

So you didn't experience racism growing up?

[B]

Nah.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Well, when we snuck out inside, when we snuck out out of my mom's house at nighttime, we seen the white boys in the trucks. This would be about 88, 89. I'm probably about in the sixth grade. They see us walking. Hey niggas. Now they turn the truck around, they throw the beer bottles at us. We take off running. They chasing ah la. Okay, now Fast forward to 1990. White boy walking with his hat turned backwards. He got on some cartes, Nikes. Now we chasing him, taking his Nikes in his hat after school, taking his bike. Why the culture changed.

[A]

What changed the culture?

[B]

See, see, prior to this culture changing, black children watch movies where you got chased by a group of white kids. Then they came with the black exploitation era. You got Superfly where the pimp guy became a very pivotal character in the community. The woman who sold prostitute start becoming like movie stars. The prostitute roles in the movies. Now you got the gangster films, the Mac. Now you got prison movies just glorifying prison guys, making them heroes. That's what happened. The culture shifted. So now you got more movies coming in the late 80s, going into the 90s, making us aware of conditions we can't see. Talking about the man, the man Keeping you down. The man was like the ghost. Well, who is that? The white man ain't gonna listen. So black. So he has your uncles and the people in the movie talking about the man. So now you got Dolomite, a black hero making movies, kicking a white man ass, graping the white women in there, pimping on them, mistreating them. The man, he fighting the man now. So the men that we are hearing and seeing got a opposition in the enemy. The man, the white man.

[A]

So that's what happened.

[B]

That's what happened.

[A]

And do you feel like it's still that way or where do you feel like we're at now?

[B]

Well, what happened was I was the last generation of black children to really hear about the man as an enemy. The man, you getting them back. You go over there and steal from them. Nigga, you don't steal from Ms. Mary House. You go across the railroad track and steal out the man stole. You fall down at the man job, you get over on the man. So those were our uncles. That's coming from the 60s and the 70s. We're growing up in the 80s and the 90s. And now during this time, this is when black people enter into America's middle class and actually experience Dr. King's dream. Early 80s. So I catch in. I'm, I'm not, I don't, I don't get to middle school to 90. So early 80s, we're playing outside with white kids, we're on football team, we're going to the summer camps with white kids. My whole time I spent in the hospital from 5 to 13, all of my white patient roommates was other white kids. So when I was, I had nine eye surgeries from the age about 8 to 12. I would be in the hallway, me and, me and my white buddy. I had white friends in the hospital. I saw white nurses and see black nurses. In the 80s, it wasn't a bunch of black school teachers in the suburban middle class. The Blue Cross. The middle class in the 80s was the backbone of America. That's what built the rich in the upper middle class, those blue collar workers in those factories, gm, Ford, General Motors, man, that built what we see today.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. Do you, do you still think we'll have a middle class?

[B]

No, we're going to like the Victorian age. To have and have nots.

[A]

That's what it feels like, right?

[B]

The gap has gotten too wide.

[A]

Especially now with AI.

[B]

I feel like, man, it will it's have or have nots. It's half have nots. That's why. And I'm gonna give you a quick example. That's why a lot of people who have an audemars saying, man, I'm selling mine because they made it lower the price so the have nots can have it.

[A]

It's 2,000 bucks now, right?

[B]

Yeah. So you can't imagine 40, 30, $40,000 watch you don't pay for. Now you're upset because somebody can get it for 2000. From 400 to 2000. The haves or the have nots. That's, that's, that's where America is going. But that was during the Victorian age. We're going to repeat that age era.

[A]

You think so?

[B]

I'm watching it.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, I'm watching it. You either can do it or you can't do it financially. You can't save money in today's time. No, it's impossible. If you don't have a formula or a recipe where you're making large sums of money for. Or a, a two income household. A two income household just barely makes it.

[A]

Yeah. With the price of real estate these

[B]

days, man, just barely make it.

[A]

Yeah. I think 62% of families are living paycheck to paycheck.

[B]

Yeah. The average American don't have $5,000 in their savings account.

[A]

Yeah. Crazy, right? Man, a medical emergency happens, they can't afford it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's scary.

[B]

If another pandemic happened, it's going to be scary and it might well break them one.

[A]

Yeah. If we pay attention saying Hantavirus. Right.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

Yeah. You think they're going to try it again

[B]

if, if, if, if we don't come, if we don't come with a deal with Iran, China, go send it over here again.

[A]

Do you think China is the main threat to America?

[B]

Yeah, the greatest threat. Really?

[A]

Cuz Trump just flew out there. Did he see that?

[B]

Greatest threat?

[A]

He was out there talking AI with them, but who knows what they're.

[B]

You're, you're a slave to your lender. You are, you are a slave to your lender. Oh, who's our lender? China.

[A]

Yeah. We get a lot from China.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Prior to what we see now, America's been borrowing a lot of money from China. Oh, that's why Trump come in and say, man, they've been taking too much from us and he's trying to fight back and push back, but you can't when you've been dependent upon them.

[A]

That makes sense. How have you felt about Trump so far in his second term?

[B]

Oh, he should have done this the first term.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

He should have done it the first time.

[A]

So you think he should have been more aggressive.

[B]

It's a bully pulpit. Why not use it? I think Obama should have done it. George Bush. George Bush Sr. Did

[A]

with Iraq you're

[B]

talking about or the first time. Yeah. Well, George Bush Sr. He was kind of like J. Edgar Hoover, man, to be the FBI director, Secret Service and all that. He ruled like a king. We just didn't know it. When his son became president, man, that was still his legacy, his presidency. That's why he went back and got what they couldn't do with Saddam. It was unfinished job. Dick Cheney was really our president. Junior Was just a face.

[A]

Yeah. I agree.

[B]

A good talking point. And he was a great representative because he seemed tough, like a good cowboy. Trump had to come seem tough because he. People laughed at him and didn't take him serious because of Biden. Yeah. So. So he has to come off as he would kill and he will. So why been killing people? He ain't just no Hollywood boy that want to be. Nah. He. He what he is now. Yeah.

[A]

In your lifetime, who's been the.

[B]

Reagan. Reagan.

[A]

I wasn't born yet. He was good.

[B]

Yeah. Reagan numbings. They try to blame Reagan oming, but man, when, man, when Trump say make America great again, I remembered I didn't know the evils of the world as a kid. I didn't know the world was evil until I. I didn't know the world was evil. And Chasta Reagan and. And Nancy Reagan left the White House. Wow. Yeah. There'll never be another first lady like. Like Nancy Reagan.

[A]

What was she about?

[B]

This is your brain, and this is your brain on drugs. Nixon let drugs into the country. Reagan didn't. Bill Clinton created mass incarceration. Reagan didn't. The Democratic Black National Caucus created the laws that we see now that they're trying to undo. What with crack being 10 times more. More punishable than it would be cocaine. The one in every three black people will go to prison. All that came up under Bill Clinton.

[A]

Damn. One in three black people.

[B]

He said, yeah.

[A]

Holy crap, that's high.

[B]

I came up under Bill Clinton. Damn Nancy Reagan and the Reagan. They gave us a DARE program. So name me any other program outside of the DARE program that has gone into the elementary school to try to combat and teach children about drug and drug use.

[A]

Can't think of any. I remember Dar. They got rid of it, I think though, Right. What happened with that?

[B]

Too much awareness.

[A]

They didn't want that? Yeah.

[B]

Because I didn't know crack was crack until Dar and my mama would send us out to go see my grandmama during the country on summertime. And my grandmother would leave it out, but my uncle be cooking crack. And I ain't know what that white stuff was, but now I go back and tell my mom. So you don't go over there to wear this. What if I just would have been a nosy kid, but I didn't know what it was.

[A]

So you think dare was effective?

[B]

Yeah, very.

[A]

Wow. Interesting. Yeah. When they were teaching it, I didn't know a lot of those drugs, honestly.

[B]

Me either.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The last time I saw that again was for a job interview at community college when like, FBI, police departments was come to the schools and do the job fair with the military. But they went to college campus. They had those same big poster things with all the drug that dirty it. They was. They was indoctrinating us to be more receptive to receiving police in our lives. That's why I'm not anti cop.

[A]

You're not.

[B]

I was indoctrinated in the dare program.

[A]

Got it. Wow. Yeah, because police officers taught that program. They would come into class and teach. So you're a fan of police.

[B]

Yeah, well, that's. If you had them, you wouldn't need school resource officers and police officers to make arrests because they're there teaching.

[A]

That makes sense. They're already there, so.

[B]

Yeah, so they can. They got a more of a relationship. And this is more. This is more crime preventive than it is crime intervention. The resource officer is there to intervene. But if he was more active, like a beat cop, teaching engaging, then there goes 60% of problems in crime in school shootings. Why you've done preventative measures.

[A]

You think teachers should be armed these days?

[B]

No. They gonna shoot us too. They already them.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Facts.

[B]

They already the kids. You think they gonna shoot one of them? You ain't wrong.

[A]

Maybe a baseball bat.

[B]

Mace.

[A]

A mace.

[B]

Non lethal.

[A]

Mace is good to have, right?

[B]

Non lethal. It ain't failed me yet.

[A]

Yeah, you got to pull it out.

[B]

I pull out quickly. I make mistakes with it, and I apologize later. It is much easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission. Hey, can I mace? You say no, but if you mason and say, man, I'm sorry. I thought you. I thought you wanted to fight. And Soulja Boy to this day say he. All he wanted to do was talk when I maced him.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I made Soulja Boy during Rolling Loud in Miami. I didn't know, but when he walked up to me, he wasn't smiling. He didn't say, hey, how you doing? He had five or six other guys that had pooh shiesty mask on, and he said he wanted to talk. I just went to spraying him and everybody that was with him.

[A]

Better safe than sorry.

[B]

Hey, man. Preventative measures.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm sure you're good at.

[B]

They call it due diligence.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, I know you're big on energy, so you probably send something.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I. I noticed. I noticed every guy who. When he got out, the sprinter, he bent down to tie shoes up to first red flag.

[A]

What the heck.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's weird.

[B]

Yeah, I haven't seen that before. Yeah, yeah, that a bunch of hyenas getting ready to attack.

[A]

I saw you walk. I saw a clip of you walking into some dispensary, and they took you through the back door, and you were like, here. Oh, that was here?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You were like, what the hell is going on here? Why am I going through the back door?

[B]

Hard as Dr. King fought for to take down the sign. You taking me through the back? Yeah. Matter of fact, every. My last two interviews, I had to go through the back door.

[A]

Damn, that's weird.

[B]

That's what I said. So when I did no jumper, I went over there, and it was next to a. It was an ammunition, a whole bunch of gun right there. So I felt safe. And then he said, come through the back door. I said, well, I can't go through the front door, man. I don't. That's how. Y' all backdoor people on the west coast. Yeah. But, yeah, the last two major interviews, I had to go to the back door. Yeah.

[A]

No jumper. That was a long awaited one for you, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You waited a while to go on that one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it got pretty hostile. Adam wasn't afraid.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. Adam is good at triggering the guess.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He know how to poke the bear and then play. You know, he like. He know how to throw a rock and hide his hand fox and. And yeah. So. So what I realized after that interview, we got great chemistry together.

[A]

You do?

[B]

Yeah, we got. We got great chemistry.

[A]

No doubt. Those clips blew up.

[B]

Yeah. In, in, in. We can go in and out of the emotional roller coaster rides that most people can't do without getting their feeling and getting stuck on what they feel.

[A]

I could tell you liked it because he was challeng. Yeah, Right. Not a lot of host studios.

[B]

No, no, no. I love that. Yeah. I love that engagement.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Adam, man. Yeah, yeah. I saw you talking.

[B]

That's verbal judo to me, huh? Yeah, that's verbal judo. But can't just be me and you going back and forth over some. It has to be some substance to it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And you can get a four hour interview out of me and before I know it, I talk another hour. Trying to wind down because I love like brainstorming. I don't debate. It's the exchange of information. At some point when we get through, we should have a better understanding of each other.

[A]

I feel that.

[B]

And that's what happened with me and Adam.

[A]

You found some middle ground with them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who do you want to sit down with and have a conversation with? See if you could find some middle ground with.

[B]

Black Sam.

[A]

Who's that?

[B]

Nipsey Hussle, brother.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah. Black Sam.

[A]

You got some tension going on with them.

[B]

You. I said some. I just said some things about Nipsey that you got everybody in LA in the world mad at me. And I've had a home. I had a homeboy reach out to black sale. He said he wouldn't sit down with me for shit.

[A]

Damn. Even after all this time. It's been some years.

[B]

We never. Wow. You would never.

[A]

He's that mad about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When you live with that, it hurts you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I saw with my father because his father beat the out of him every day growing up. And I saw him live with that, like that anger.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just said some to Ab that I. I spoke to him yesterday. So it been quite a few people trying to get me Ab to sit down together. So.

[A]

Antonio Brown or uh, uh, uh.

[B]

Adrian Broner.

[A]

Oh, Adrian Broner, yeah.

[B]

Adrian Broner.

[A]

Yeah. He'd be streaming now with Dean the Great.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You seen that?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I've been paying attention to it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a supporter of both of them. I feel like somebody. And like I told him yesterday, won't nobody else tell you this cuz they scared you to beat him up. But this light is pretty bright that you've come back into. There's a scripture in the Bible that says you can't put old wine and new wineskin because the fervent will make it bust. Or something like that, Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You can't. Your old ways don't open new doors. If your old ways close the old doors, the drinking, the girls, the booze and the altercations. If you bring that to the streaming world, then that's an audience in the supply and demand that you're gonna have to feed. Anytime you put a boxer from me knowing history, alcohol and girls. Because the ego, the testosterone and the bravado ness of a boxer. He typically catches a sexual assault charge.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

It's been history. It's been history.

[A]

They can't control it.

[B]

Not with alcohol. It lowers your inhibition.

[A]

You don't be drinking that much, right?

[B]

Only when it's time to go have sex. Yeah. I'm drunk having sex. I'm not drunk. Talking and conversating. Partying. Damn.

[A]

Don't you feel like that takes away the connection of sex?

[B]

That's why I do it.

[A]

Oh, you don't want the connection?

[B]

No.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Who have. Who have connected sex. I just want to have some good sex. Yeah. And who have sober sex. Except two people who really love each other and wake up in the morning and rushing to get to life.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Other than that, everybody else is. Is. Is stimulated. Having sex after the party. Hey, let's have a few drinks and have some wine. So. So. So. Drinking. I'm a cool guy. I pride myself in the way I walk, the way I stand, my demeanor, my conversation. Drinking makes all that stumble. You can't walk cool. You're going to sound stupid. You're going to slur your words. And I'm pretty offensive with my Persona. So I have to pay attention at all time.

[A]

Damn. That makes sense. Drunk sex only. You don't want that connection.

[B]

I had plenty undrunk sex in. In, you know, as a young person.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

Yeah. Connecting with people at this age. No, it's nature.

[A]

Okay. So you view it transactional these days?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm not looking for. To have sex with a connection. That's not fun sex at this age.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

It's not fun sex at 50. Being connected to love. Ain't nothing like new sex. Some new, some new. Yeah. Ain't nothing like it new. The excitement and the thrills in the field. Kinetic sex is boring.

[A]

It is get it gets repetitive.

[B]

Right.

[A]

With the same person. Yeah.

[B]

It's bored.

[A]

Yeah. There's an argument that males are not programmed to. We're not have sex with one person, right?

[B]

No.

[A]

We're not evolutionary.

[B]

We're not. I. I don't walk around thinking about sex.

[A]

Really.

[B]

I don't want.

[A]

If you see a hot girl right now, you won't think about it.

[B]

No, I admire her. I don't want to effort.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

I love hanging out with women. I love being with women. So I have a saying is I Like effing with women. I don't like always effing on them. Because effing on them at some point, no matter how good it is, psychologically and spiritually becomes a burden.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Why? If you good at effing on them or you charismatic, they become a problem because their emotions is a tie to that hole. There's no extension of emotions tied to our branch. We'll put our branch in a hole we don't like. We'll not like this person and put our branch in it. They won't. Unless it's a profession.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

And even if it's a profession, most prostitutes won't let you perform oral. Why? It creates a connection.

[A]

From oral?

[B]

No, from you going down on him.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Well, prostitute won't let you do it. Most prostitute won't let you tongue kiss. Most prostitutes won't let you because it's a connection.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And she's not doing this for the connection. Women who've been traumatized, yeah, they're looking for the connection. And when they couldn't create a connection, y' all trauma bond. So if you're bonding and connect. So for men, this is what. What we're not connected to. What do a man connect to? Food. Just like a dog. Wherever he eats at consistently is where he shows up. Wherever his dog bowl is, that's when he show up. Ego to be stroked. Whoever makes him feel like a man, that's where he spends his most time. Whoever makes him feel like a man, the one that questioned him and makes him enforcing to have to lie with all those questions, put him in the position of his little boy. But mama asking all your questions because he's forced to lie to you, not to hurt you. So he. This ain't a position of a man. Because a woman don't ask a man a bunch of questions, for the most part, she already know. So she just hold it in and let him be a man. So that trauma. So. So putting your branch in that hole, so now you might not have to spend on it. But guess what? As a man, if she have a need, you're going to meet her need. No man is going to look at a woman that he's sleeping with and she have a need and ignore the need. Now the little boy will. The boy minded. God will. It's just some things a man cannot not do.

[A]

As a man, when you say need, what do you mean?

[B]

I guess when he get in her car and he see her all light on, he don't keep getting in her car and not get all fixed. When he get in her car and see she need tires, she need gas. Come to her house and see the toilets running. Won't stop leaking. He'll naturally do it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Just like when a woman, she come over and see dishes in the sink, something over there. She just ain't gonna come labor shoe and not clean up. A woman not gonna do it, but a will. She'll come get that dick and leave, not do nothing. Yeah, but if not a woman, her nature won't let her do it.

[A]

Feminine energy, right?

[B]

Yeah. Boy, you need to clean up over here. She'll look and see what needs to be decorated. That's how you can tell small things like that.

[A]

Do you feel like women these days are getting away from their feminine energy, though?

[B]

Yeah, they are.

[A]

Because it's so hard to compete with a man, Right.

[B]

Because they focus on what men do. A man will go. A man will go to a woman's house for the first time and she'll take him to her mom's house and he'll see that her mom grass need to be cut, and he'll see, get a lawnmower from the mom and cut the grass. See, that ain't nothing. All these men around here, ain't nobody cutting the grass. Ain't nobody too. That's what a man do naturally.

[A]

Yeah. Because there's an argument in the black community, it's a matriarchy, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The mother rules.

[B]

Yeah. That's why the little boy got to be forced to take the trash out. He walked by it all day. A man don't keep walking by the trash and he not convicted to take it out. A man ain't fitted to be in the house. You and, and, and, and his woman got to keep calling her coworker's husband Julio to come cut the grass. The man take over the yard assignment and have his partner come cut it. The man don't lay in the bed during the winter time and the woman go out there or have the boy go warm the car up. The man get up and go warm the car up. He don't stand the bed. Even though he work night shift or ain't got no job, he don't let her get up.

[A]

Yeah. So you want men to take more accountability too?

[B]

Got to. Because then the women start listening more.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I see issues on both ends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I don't think it's one sided.

[B]

Nah, it ain't. It take two. But not only do it take two, it take a village.

[A]

Community is everything, Right?

[B]

Yeah. Neighborhood communities. Communities are matrix. What do you mean you don't have neighbors in the community? Y' all meet up at the PTA meeting, in the homeowners association meetings. We need neighborhoods. Mr. Roger was in the neighborhood. Fuck the community. The community is the elites ruling with nepotism.

[A]

So you want to go back to neighborhoods, you're saying?

[B]

Yeah, neighborhoods.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You feel like we're getting away from that though.

[B]

We gotta put the neighbor back in it. Everything is wordplay. Word shapes minds. For instance, when I. When I was in the boys home, we had house parents. House parents. Today's children have juvenile correction officers. So the people who come into this job set, they mindset is a juvenile correctional officer. And. And they treat kids like prisoners. They don't nurture. We had house parents, so when they took a position, they came in and acted as parents.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that worked.

[B]

I still talk to these people. I've been out. I got. I went to juvenile since when I was in 1991.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I still talk to Mr. Davis to this day.

[A]

No way. So that was your father?

[B]

He was a house parent.

[A]

The house parent.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they don't do that anymore.

[B]

A correction office. So now they don't give a damn. Neither do the kid. Give a damn about them after they leave. And they can't care about the kid because the job don't allow the mindset to.

[A]

I wonder why they changed that.

[B]

Labels.

[A]

Just labels.

[B]

Your labels. What's the difference between. Today we say mental health. When I was a kid, you were mentally. See the label?

[A]

Yeah. You got called up.

[B]

Never. I've always been a highly intellectual kid. I was calling people retard because they was in the mental retarded classes. So they stopped calling them special ed classes.

[A]

Yeah. What is it called now?

[B]

I don't know. But they don't call them special ed kids no more.

[A]

Yeah. That's an insult. Same with. Same with.

[B]

Can't counter midgets no more.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. You got to say lesbians. It used to be bulldiger.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Two labels.

[A]

It's weird how that happens, right?

[B]

Yeah. So. So. So labels shape and control. That's why government try to label everything as a mental health crisis.

[A]

So do you think there is a crisis?

[B]

No.

[A]

Mental health.

[B]

No, I think that's cap.

[A]

Anxiety, depression.

[B]

Well. Well, this is what I know. If our government is pushing such big mental health and there's a lot of government services for mental health. Well, what if I'm just having a problem? Why do I have to. And every time I go See a mental health person. I don't learn coping skills and coping mechanism. Why am I giving medication to deal with mental health? Why is it always a drug to deal with mental health? Well, from me studying mental health mental health in America when your government is pushing it strips you of your constitutional rights by way of civil. You can be civilly commitment with mental health problems. You can be placed somewhere civilly committed and and never can see a judge to be overruled by being civilly committed. I don't. I once was diagnosed. This is why a label is a diagnosis is a label. I once was diagnosed because I had felt used by the local police department. They used me to push procedural justice out in the community to help teach black people. During the black lives movement and all that, there was a shift in the police department. The black police officers came in power and the white people was out of power. So now the black people mad at me that the black pastor and the black police said I was going crazy. One time I was put into a mental asylum.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

For my social media post.

[A]

What? They could take you to a mental asylum?

[B]

First listen to me under the Sandra Bland Act. So I want you to google the Sandra Bland Act. They had just passed this law. Sandra Bland hunger cell. I was beefing with my local police department online. Police officer got killed. And I was mocking this dead police officer named Officer Garrett Hur. I was saying, I wish the police, I would call him pig in the blank everything. And I was just mad about some things that had happened. Our police department, along with the black officers arrested me one day for a broken tail light when I was in jail. I called my attorney, Lisa Pamplin and said, hey, Lisa, man, I just got arrested. She said, for what? I said, a broken tail light. She said, what? She said, don't say nothing. I'm on my way. Before I hung up, I said, say, lisa, man, whatever you do, don't let these motherfuckers Sandra Bland me. And I hung up. About 20 minutes later, the arresting officer came back with a stack of papers. So for the last past two weeks, I've been antagonizing the police saying horrible things. I hope a police died at the line of duty. I just been antagonizing my local police department. They took my Facebook post. Open the door, said, come on, Charles and let's go. Now remember, before I hung up, I said, lisa, whatever you do, don't let the Sandra Bland me. Sandra Bland was supposedly hung in Texas. They said she killed herself. He said, come on, Charles, you going with us? I said, man, where I'm going, I'm a political figure in this town at this time. They said, you are being transferred to JPS mental asylum under the Sandra Bland Act. I walked out that house, at that jail cell, holding my dick in my hand, saying, y' all don't up. Y' all finna get fired. Because in my mind, in America, this can't happen. I think I was transferred. So they got a police officers asking me questions. I'm telling him I haven't been selected to campaign with Trump. I'm on the front page of the American Boy. He think I'm lying, talking crazy. Within 24 hours, I was admitted and nobody knew where I was.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Why? Because I went from the jail into a medical status. In jail, I'm public records. My people can come make my bond. I just called my lawyer. When I went medical status, I disappeared.

[A]

Holy crap.

[B]

Why hip hop?

[A]

Oh, it's like a loophole.

[B]

Hipaa. So. So listen to this. Nobody can find me now. My mother, nobody. I'm being unruly because I'm saying, y' all can't do this. Y' all tripping when it's time. So when I finally get to use the phone, I call my mother. My mother said, son, I don't know what you done got yourself into. The lawyer said, it ain't nothing nobody can do.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

I hung up my mama face. What? What you mean, ain't nothing nobody can do. Ain't nothing nobody can do. I don't know what you done done. My mama started crying. So when the doctor called, I see, I see. At first I seen the nurses, a doctor assistant, she said, well, they say you want to kill yourself, that you want to commit suicide by a cop. Cause I've been entangling police. They said I'm going to commit suicide by cop and that I was homicidal and suicidal by ideation and preparation. I've been talking like Dr. Umar Johnson getting a talk. I've been posting my gun. I've been going to the gun range, recording it, trying to attack it out of police. I mean, I ain't cool. So who can you call? So I gave him several numbers to call. She said, okay, I'm gonna recommend that you leave. I don't think you hurt yourself or anybody else. I had called downtown and. And told that I had wished that the. The. It was a city manager by the name of David Cook, who was over the police department. They wouldn't let me come speak in city council. The day the police officer died, I Want to go antagonize him really bad at the city, but they would let me. So I called downtown and I told David Cook's assistant that I hope his daughter grow up and marry a black man. A well hung black man that beats her and grapes her every night. They took that as a threat, but it wasn't. I said, I hope she grew up and married a black guy well hung. The doctor said, no, we're gonna keep you. He said, you seem angry. I said, yeah, y' all doing something. Y' all can't do this. He said, oh yeah, we can. I was forced to take medication.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

So. So hear me out. I'm. I'm refusing. Why? The lawyer said, don't say nothing. The lawyer never showed up. The lawyer never showed up.

[A]

They didn't know where you were at.

[B]

Well, it's medical. This lawyer is criminal. How can she. What can she come defend over here under these medical laws, under this new Sandra Bland law that give the law enforcement not only discretion but the power to admit you to a hospital because your smart mouth.

[A]

That's not. No, it's.

[B]

Imagine if I was in a rural town where Sadra Bland was good old boy town. I'm in a big city and I'm political. So people know me, right? So I'm in there for days before anybody find me.

[A]

And they're putting you on meds every day.

[B]

Well, I refuse at first. When you refuse, you're in the state of Texas. They can send you to any hospital anywhere in the state of Texas, not just locally. You might go to one of them bad crazy hospital and you playing refusal and you're homicidal and suicidal. So they're going to put you in a worse population based on what they labeled you as. And I'm just on my mouth running line with no violent history, no mental health history, none of this. And it's coed. They don't just put you men and women is they don't put you to all men. It's coed because it's like a hospital medical. I met normal white women who just had a baby who neighbors had her admitted husband put her. So he can be. I seen some homie. So to make a long story short, before I went and got transferred, I asked one of the medical staff, I said, say how do you get out of here? They wouldn't even look at me. They said, you have to take the medication at the time because I was getting Medicare or Medicaid at the time. Now if I didn't have insurance, they Might have released me, but they got

[A]

insurance to drop the money.

[B]

Oh boy. They came by seven, 10 days. Food, housing, clothing, doctors, psychiatrists waking you up to come see you. All that is money for them.

[A]

They were milking you.

[B]

Oh, they milking me. I didn't see a lawyer until seven days sedated with the medication. So now I'm like this one. The lawyers even.

[A]

Yeah, you're a zombie.

[B]

Yeah, I never see a judge. But in hindsight, this is what I realized. The practicing medicine on Americans. This is where our young doctors who was in doctors in nursing school going to play doctor. That's how I played my way out of there. I never saw a real doctor.

[A]

Holy crap.

[B]

There was all student doctors who hadn't graduated yet when I picked up on it. You have to understand, I grew up in the boy's home. I grew up in the boys home in the Texas Youth Commission. For 14 to 21, I mastered these systems. An institution. You can't put me in an institution. I'm like a motherfucker. Me the motherfucker off Hannibal. I got the mind like Hannibal. If you put me in an institution. They know that I was running the psychiatry classes I can teach in the students before they let me out of there. Because when I snapped, I said, you got to play the game. When I take the medication, the medication put me back to the back of me so I couldn't be smart into the late evenings. But the medication don't kick in right there. This is biological chemical warfare. When you take a pill and they give it to you at a certain time, it's the reason why they give it to you at a certain time. The pill is stored up and it's not used in. It's used when your body need it. When you get me you, it releases that and calms you down and make you dox out again. That's why you can't work up on it. That's why you miss your medication. That's why you have to take it at a certain time. Even when you stop taking it six months down the road, it's still time releases. It's in your body. Yeah, so it took me. It took me about. So I was in there for seven days. That seven days of medication took damn near nine months to get out of me.

[A]

Holy crap. Those psych words are no joke.

[B]

If you go watch my old Facebook paper, man, I was so. I was so lethargic and docile. I'm always upbeat. I've always been an off the wild, off the key bouncing Jumping around, kind of energetic, enthusiastic. But man, I was so lethargic. And what it felt like the real me was put back in the closet and the, the medicated me is here. And I'm saying, yeah. And I'm saying, hey man, this ain't me. And can't nobody hear me in the closet back there until it wear off. And then I can tell you how I felt and what has been going on. But when it kicked back in. Yeah, so. So when I got out, I cold turkey that my hands start to lock up. I don't know some. I don't know what the side effect. Cuz they never told me what they gave me. Jeez. So when I, when I done an interview so you can go see you hear people that come. It happened to me. It happened to me. So what I learned in school was they started using civil commitment on pedophiles and sex offenders and child molesters. Why? That's the worst part of our population. And, and we don't care about them. Through the rats, the test rats, the lab rats. If we mistreat any other animals, they'll go crazy. The pedophiles and the child, that's the kingdom. Lab rats that we didn't care about that they were civilly committing. They may be charged with child rape for molesting a nine year old child. They may get 15 years. And because a prison official, a doctor or psychologist believe this person may do this again, even though they said they pay their debt to society, I believe he gonna do this again. They would civilly commit them. There's nothing they could do. They got a civil commitment judge who would oversee them for the rest of their lives. They have an apartment complex, that house that look like old apartment, like whole hotel or some hotels. And these people are GPS tracked and monitored forever. But you don't care.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

Then they started doing it to violent prisoners. You don't care. Now they're doing it to American by way of mental health.

[A]

It's happened to my father.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He got out of that psych ward, he didn't live past a month.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

After that he was never the same, bro.

[B]

So. Well, so what it does is strips you of your gun rights. It strips you of all your rights because you can be civilly committed. So I learned that in the old Victorian age, during the kings and the queens, this is how they seize power from a king or a queen. When the, when the queen's son, that's a prince about to take the throne and he married someone that the queen mother don't like she's not going to be queen because her son Prince becomes king and the daughter is going to replace her as queen. They would have her committed after the baby. Rich people do this to their family. Man, I think mom is going crazy. It's a power move.

[A]

Yep. I know someone that ended up in one for taking too much Advil.

[B]

A power move.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

I know a lady who left out the house arguing, fighting with her husband. Left out running, no shoes, in the pajamas, left the door open. The neighbors was having a barbecue and a party. They thought something was wrong because she's an Arab lady and her husband was at work. She was committed. She was committed.

[A]

That's nuts.

[B]

Be aware, America.

[A]

Yeah. If you know someone in a psycho now, get them out.

[B]

They tried to do it to Kanye. That's. What did the Kardashians try to do to Kanye? Damn. His family came in, they wouldn't let his family. They tried to do it to Kanye. Wow. That's why they show you that video of him going crazy. Yes, man. That's why, man.

[A]

They tried doing it to Bieber, too.

[B]

I think a bunch of them. Yeah, they tried to do it. They're doing it to Wendy Williams. Wendy Williams is civilly committed. Britney Spears was civilly committed to Las Vegas. Yeah, Bob. Wherever, dad.

[A]

She was never the same after civilly

[B]

committed here, captive in prison.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's happening to Wendy Williams.

[A]

Yeah. It's a control mechanism. Right. If you speak out, you'll end up there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They'll find a reason to put you there.

[B]

Yeah. So I play the fool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I done already went through it, so. So when I came out.

[A]

How'd you get out?

[B]

I played alone. I played alone. I had to be homicidal and suicidal. Talking to the white police as if I can beat them and take them on by myself. I had a nervous breakdown. I had been working with the police for so long. Politicians and they've been using me as a poster child in front piece to get laws and legislation. I would burn out and tired. I would pull and broke. I might probably was ready to die and kill a. I had no money. And then I came to it and got some money. I left Texas because I knew I had to put some space between me and that diagnosis. There's no such thing as marijuana psychosis, for one. They saw there was no drugs in my system other than marijuana. So they said homicidal, suicidal by ideation and preparation. The thing that I'm posting online with marijuana psychosis. So I moved to a Legalization marijuana state and smoked a lot of legal marijuana, which was California. I moved to California, what, 2019 into 2019. Started working in Diamondale adolescent group home, working with children. And I smoked pot every day to. To rid myself of the white man's pharmaceuticals that had some side effect that I didn't know what the was happening to me.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You love your pot.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. They give kids psychotropic drugs.

[A]

Really?

[B]

They gave it to me as a kid.

[A]

Where.

[B]

Showing out in the boy's home.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Tried to give me Prozac.

[A]

Holy.

[B]

I'm just acting out. Why? I'm having emotional detachments from being in a boy's home. And I've never been away from my mama, so I need something to. I don't know, man. I'm just acting out. Why you know how to act out, man? I'm just doing something I could never do. Talk back to grown folks. I'm finally. Yeah. Even though I'm away from mom, I get to be something. I never got to be bad away from my mama.

[A]

Yeah. You didn't talk about your mom.

[B]

Hey, Never. Still to this day, never.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Never. Never to this day, still to this day, never.

[A]

So you have a huge amount of respect.

[B]

Yeah. Still today, when I used to smoke cigarettes, if I be back on the back porch smoking, I heard my mama pull up in the driveway. I put it out.

[A]

She didn't like you smoking.

[B]

She didn't mind me smoking. I can't imagine her seeing me smoke.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah. I can't imagine her seeing me smoke. Putting a seaweed up to my mouth.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Yeah. I can't even be mad at my mom saying that. Yeah.

[A]

No. What does she think about what you do now?

[B]

She didn't understand at first. Now she's a proud mother. Because my mother. My mother works for. For the fraud department in the bank. Her co workers. Man, I bought my mom a car for showroom flow. The. The finance managers near them. The admiration that people say to her about her son. Yeah. Blow.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So a big part of your. You're proud that you made your mother proud. It sounds like.

[B]

Yeah, I, I, I. When I was. When I was in my adolescent stages, I did everything to prove my mother wrong. Because, yeah, I had uncles, I had male cousins, but they made me feel like, man, your mom don't know what she's talking about because your mother raised you to be honest. Say, thank you, ma'. Am. And your mother tell you, you know, to be respectful to girls. Well, you. I'm. I Got pimp uncles around me. I got pimp uncles around me. Your mama tell you, boy, give your brother a hug and a kiss. You got your arctic. But y' all stop kissing. Stop acting like punks. So they got you questioning what your mother's teaching, but your mother's just teaching you right from wrong. The biggest hurt in my life is. Is hearing and seeing my mother disappointed in something that I did.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

That's the biggest hurt in my life. So. So, no, I can't be. Nah, nigga, I can't disappoint mama. When you're resentful and you're rebellious, that's a stage of life.

[A]

Yeah. Teenage years.

[B]

That's a stage of life. But as a good man, as a good child, as a good son, no child wants to disappoint mother. Enough of father, I feel.

[A]

Yeah. I grew up divorced household.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Single mother.

[B]

So my. My greatest strength and my greatest tool as a father. My son don't want me to be disappointed. He'd rather take the whooping, dad. But you're going to be disappointed in me. He don't want to disappoint me. Neither do my daughter. That's the. That's what governs the children.

[A]

Should we bring back ass whoopings?

[B]

You goddamn right.

[A]

It's effective, right? Yeah, I got spanked a little bit.

[B]

It shouldn't be the only alternative.

[A]

Right. It's like the last resort.

[B]

Right? The last resort.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because when it's the only result, then what you do is you teach children. When I get mad hurt people hit people. Because normally that's typically when it's a unbalanced discipline structure. Typically is mom doing the hitting and, And, And. And emotionally, mom only whoop ass when she frustrated and mad. If life is going good and things are great, mom give passes. She's. She coddled, she's lenient. But if she's going. Yeah, she. I've had a bad. Sit down. Dad is an intellectual. A logic. So he has principles and standards that he whooped for. Okay, So I got to get you for now. I told you, if you be honest with me. But when mom lashes out out of frustration. So it teaches you to hit when you're frustrated.

[A]

Yeah. Because women are more emotional. Right.

[B]

Children mimic what they see and repeat what they hear, no matter who's showing it.

[A]

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. You're a great parent, man.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I know.

[A]

You talk about your kids a lot. You're very proud.

[B]

I don't want to disappoint them like I don't want to disappoint my mother. So that governs me. Yeah, it governs me, man. A father that, that, that. That has children who look at them with and you can see that disappointment. A lot of fathers run away from that. That's shame to have to keep facing that every weekend I come. So that's why a lot of abandon the children and go missing and go absent. It's better to deal with the pain of being absent than the shame of being present.

[A]

Do you think that's the biggest problem in the black community?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Absent fathers.

[B]

Yeah. Because it's more of a shame to be present.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't have full control mother. I don't have nowhere for a kid to come. No room. Daddy gotta say no. Dad ain't got it. Dad don't get the help that single black mom get from the government. I'm ostracized from day one when I walk into the building as a black father. And I'm not rich, rich or famous, man. When I came rich and famous, like, I'm a great dad to the ones who thought I was a horrible dad. When I was riding the bus to come pick the kids up, I was prison.

[A]

Even when you became famous and rich,

[B]

I'm absent, rich, poor. I was prison from day one. Never. I was there for everything. But they don't. They didn't. The kids saw me as a hero, but the people around them would make them doubt the hero because their daddy ain't got a car. They daddy going through this. I don't care what your daddy say. Why? Because that. She over mama. The black woman is the matriarch. And if dad ain't got a lot of money, she's still the matriarch, no matter what his presence is. Why? Because most black women got a better job than the black man. She don't have family conviction. So she got a house with her, a name on the lease. Most of us over here, probably with another woman. Where if we not there? And the kids say, I want to tell my dad, I don't care what your dad say. Your dad in my house, whether that's the dad's girlfriend, the dad's mother, the dad's sister. Because most ain't got their own. When I got my own, I only got it for six or nine months or for one year. My son can't come over next year. I got to find somewhere else to live. In the process, I may have lost the job. So I kind of come on, stay here with mama for six months. And now I gotta got the kids a new spot. Everybody kicking that black man and ass. Even though he trying in his doing. He meeting the bar minimum.

[A]

Yeah. Because he doesn't have the finances.

[B]

There you go. But he got the time, he got the heart. He kissing him at night. He cooking for him. Hit the basketball game, rooting for him. But when she called and said I need some on his birthday party and you ain't got it all, so. Nigga, you might have to go bump porn a laptop to show up with something. That dad ain't appreciated, right? It ain't to he in the casket. They love him unconditionally.

[A]

Yeah, because he spent the time. So you think he could be a good father without being a provider financially.

[B]

You can't be a good father till you die. Because a good father have to establish law and order. And nobody likes the man who established law and order. Hey, we shutting this down. Y' all get in the bed. Your mama. Let's stay up too late. Say, baby, where you going? You're not gonna leave out the house with that on. I can see your nipples, your print put. Now put some on. They don't like that man. No, you. You're not going. They don't like that man.

[A]

Right? Good cop, bad cop, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you want the dad to be

[B]

the bad dad have to be the bad. He has to establish law and he's the protector. So he can't be good like mama. Mama always good. Daddy got to say no because he got to provide. Mama got some money put up stash daddy gave her. Mama can always give you the ice cream money. She got it. Dad ain't got it. So you cannot measure dad's value till he gone.

[A]

So do you want your kids to fear you if that's the case, if you're.

[B]

No, I. I don't. I don't. It's hard for me to have a relationship with God because I have to fear him. When I. When I found out my son was scared of me, I felt like I was doing something wrong.

[A]

Oh, he was scared of you.

[B]

Oh, because I. I snap. I ain't so imagine I'm brutal with my mouth. I don't belittle my kid, but I roar like a lion, right? Nigga, I don't give a. About your feelings. Them feeling. Nigga, I care more about your best interest than how you feel. I care more about your best interest than them feeling. God don't even care about your feelings. Your feelings is unreliable. I care about what's best for you.

[A]

Facts over feelings.

[B]

Yeah. That's my focus, not your feelings. You know where I learned that from? I ain't learned that from her and a man. I learned that from watching Denzel play a daddy role in the movie Finches. I ain't gotta like you. I gotta take care of you and provide for you and love you. I ain't gotta like you because sometimes I look at you and don't like you when you lie to me. I always like my kids. Things that they do that I don't like, sometime I don't tell them I don't like it, I correct it.

[A]

I feel that. Yeah. I think that works for men. What about for.

[B]

For females she got a cuddle with?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to be a little easier, right?

[B]

Oh, your. Your daughters move with your spirit. Y' all are synced. I've never had to chasten my daughter. Never.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Never.

[A]

Yeah. They do seem more spiritually connected, right?

[B]

More. They're in sync with you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, It's a. It's a. It's a different kind of. It's a. It's a different kind of engagement. The. The same strength in the relationship that you have with your son, you have with your daughter, but it's a different kind of engagement. You're soft with her. Your love is soft.

[A]

You're more protective. Right.

[B]

You see it in animals. You see it in animals. It's naturally instinctive. When a lion bite they cub's neck and pull up. Then I don't pierce the skin. They don't pierce the skin. So it. It's instinctively. I can't explain it, but it's soft. The boy love is soft in the beginning, but, you know, just like the military know, I gotta make it hard at one point.

[A]

At some point, you don't want him to be soft.

[B]

He can't be soft. He gonna become a man in the world. The military don't let you be soft. Yeah. They intentionally make it hard to construct and build this kind of machine in this man. I apply the same principle to my son. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. It's easy for that girl. Yeah, but now it's hard for him, for sure.

[A]

You think it's harder to be a guy, right? Yeah, I agree.

[B]

Yeah, it's way hard to be a guy. Or somebody's gonna. Somebody's gonna. Somebody want to take care of her, marry her and give her a name.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Don't know why I won't do that for that boy.

[A]

We got to earn our own.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So. So I just always Know that the military have never told nothing down and didn't build it back up. So I never tear my children down and don't come back and build them up.

[A]

How close were you to joining the military? You said you're fast.

[B]

I tried. I tried. Yeah. I took. Yeah. Had I not lost that eye. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You would have joined.

[B]

I've been military.

[A]

Wow. So you were set on that happened?

[B]

My daughter's on her way to the Navy right now.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

During wartime.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Excited? Enthusiastic.

[A]

Are you scared for her?

[B]

No.

[A]

Really?

[B]

No.

[A]

Holy.

[B]

She said, dad and C.J. won't do it. I'll do it, cuz. I wanted my son to go.

[A]

He didn't want to do it.

[B]

He got him a girlfriend. High school.

[A]

High school sweetheart, huh? Yeah. He's marrying young, but yeah.

[B]

He have an un. He have an entrepreneurship mind in. I wasn't a very authoritative dad. I was a more of a, come on, man, let's be friends and do this together. Because I don't know what I'm doing.

[A]

Collaborative.

[B]

I don't know what I'm doing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I caught my son smoking weed. I ain't know what to do, man.

[A]

How old was he?

[B]

About 13.

[A]

Wow. That's probably when you started though, right?

[B]

I started. I tried it in third grade because my mother has. My mother would work at nighttime and I would go to the babysitter's house. And the babysitter had a cool, older, older son named Anthony Wayne. And she watching smoke weed.

[A]

Eight, nine years old, man.

[B]

Let me hit it. It's like the little cool kid we see in the rap videos. So when I caught my son smoking, I got ready to dive into his butt and I said, man, what make, man, why you do it? He said, because I see you do it, dad. I turned around and walked out the room. He, he, he, he disarmed me. Yeah. He said, I see you do it, dad.

[A]

How's it go on?

[B]

He disowned me. God said, don't lie to me. He said, cause I see you do it, dad. His mom was in jail at the time. We was in a one bedroom apartment, financially struggling. But guess what? I cooked breakfast every day. I cooked lunch on Saturday, made dinner every night, put him in bed, tucked him in. But nigga, financially, I couldn't give them what they needed. Not the Michael Jordan tennis shoe. We can't get the snow cones and the banana split. But I learned at that point I ruined my relationship with my son. Trying to be a good daddy. I don't know how to Be well, I know. Well, I know who gonna tell me who gonna teach me. But I remember the men that I was in the boys home with. Mr. Davis, Mr. Jones, Mr. Harris. I remember them speaking about fathers and what they would do with their son. That point on I said, I'm gonna make him my friend, my real friend. And from here we'll learn how to be fathers together. So, yeah, he, he'll teach me how to be a good daddy.

[A]

That's cool. Yeah. So you let him keep smoking?

[B]

Yeah. Well, this would happen when I took my job in California. I'm going to go be a good daddy. I landed my dream job when I moved to California. I realized that this is no place I can bring an adolescent boy, not with this gang culture. While I was out there working, making money. And now I'm getting back in a position I'm financially fit to be established. I'm getting myself in a financial position. My son started having problems with grandma, mom and other grandma. Why his daddy ain't never been out his life before. Never. So he started running away from home, start having sex. And I had gave him a little knife, a little, a little ink pen knife. And he slid his wrist one day down to get. To get the women attention because now he's being disrespectful to the women. He ran out to school from the police. He ain't never done this before. I quit that job because I didn't want to lose. Lose my kids like my mother lost us trying to work and provide us a good life.

[A]

Wow. So you quit your dream job?

[B]

Yeah, that's what made me move back to Texas.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

So when it, when, when they took him to the little mental place, the doctor said, oh no, they, they, they. He don't need to be in here. It was a lot of kids down there. My son said, he said that all of them are drugged up, man. Now he called to see something different. I use him smoking weed for me and him to bond together. Why they'll put him on psychotropic drugs like they tried to do me. This has a way better effect. Once he start hitting that, he start going to school acting better.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I convinced my son to drop out of school. I said, there's nothing wrong with being a dumb mechanic, but school don't teach you nothing. I told him, school is just a white man's game and it's ran good. I don't give a damn about them grades, but if you have a behavior problem, I'm gonna whoop your ass. See, I Don't care about the grades. I care about behavior. I care about behavior. Citizenship. I was smart with bad behavior. So I had him focus on his behavior, Learn social skills. What they teaching you? I'm teaching you at home. So I got him, I talked him into dropping out. He was like in the seventh, eighth grade, middle school.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, I talked him into dropping out. Cause he was, didn't like the school. School ain't teaching nothing. Bored. So nigga, I don't drop out, I don't care. But I wake him up at 6 in the morning and go take him to my friend's mechanic shop. You'll learn how to be a dumb mechanic.

[A]

A trade.

[B]

Well, my homeboy got him learning the first step. Straighten up the tools. I give him lunch money like he grown. My mother, who believes in education and values education, made him feel ashamed and wrong. And your daddy shouldn't do this. But I'm teaching him a lesson. It was once upon a time when our grandfather, them dropped out of school at 12 and 13, after the fourth and fifth grade when got them a job. Everybody can barely rewrite, but they can build a house without reading blueprints. They can fix on calls. They got me mechanic shops. They went and joined a military. As long as you can read and write something, that's all you can do. That's awesome. No, you can read and write. I'm good. You have to learn no more because I'm gonna show you as your father. So my mother talked him into getting back in school. So we end up graduating. End up graduating. So I put him in an accelerated learning school where he can work at his own pace.

[A]

Nice. That's great, man. Yeah. The average reading level In America is 9th grade level now. Yeah, it's crazy.

[B]

In the black community it's third grade.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

And the black community is third grade.

[A]

Terrible.

[B]

That and you, if you go to some of these major cities, man, and, and I, I do satire, comedy with dark humor. And I use black people's reading statistics to get the crowd's attention. Blow their mind. Blow their mind. Only 36, 37% of kids in most major cities can read on or above their grade level at the third grade. We just saw it in the Julio Fulio trial. One of the killers, he can only read on third. Second, third rate level.

[A]

Terrible. I attribute so much of my success to being able to read.

[B]

Me too. Private tutors, private teachers, after school programs, going home. And my mama guaranteed leave the homework out. My mama getting home from her 12 hour shift at General Motor at 2, 3 in the morning. We had to have our homework out on the table.

[A]

Damn, she was strict.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Probably good for you, right?

[B]

Yeah. All PTA meeting, man. What Winter, the progress reports. Get that tick. Bring that TV out of there. Education was everything in our home in behavior. Not just. Not just education behavior. I was taught before I got to school, so school was a breeze for me.

[A]

She got you ready.

[B]

Hey, cut that TV off. Y' all read something, right? Right? Yeah, it was something my mom. Boy, can I. No, you better not say you boy read a book. So my whole time incarcerated, that's all my mom did, was send me books. Books, books, books. Yeah.

[A]

That's awesome. Shout out to Ms. White. She did well, man, look at what you raised. Charleston, it's always a blast with you, man. Anything else? What's next for you? Where people keep up?

[B]

Oh, man, me and Adam are about to go on tour, so. So me and Adam will kind of do like a strip club tour, you know, doing the 20 versus tools in. In. In. In. In the country. So I'm taking financial literacy to middle schools and high schools with a guy by the name of Anton Silas and. And. And. And one of the. One of the directors of Paul Mitchell Barber College. So. So. So, yeah. So I'm gonna use my social media influences. It's kind of like what I did in the beginning. Uh, but I see something that we. We. I can do with other entities. With other entities. So I'm starting to learn more and more about credit. You got all the money in the world, but credit have never meant anything to the black community. And that's part of our freedom.

[A]

That's how I started the podcast Credit

[B]

cards being economically free.

[A]

Yep. 0% credit cards.

[B]

So, yeah, I know a guy that does Jay Leno credit, a guy by the name of Anton Silas out of San Diego. He has a great. He has a book out. He's called the credit genius. This is not a scamming platform like most of them. So most black people been scammed with the credit restoration and credit program. This is one guy that I. I can come to our people and say, no, he didn't pay me for a promotion. This guy's really real nice.

[A]

We'll link your stuff below.

[B]

Yeah, cool.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Good luck with everything, bro.

[B]

Yes, sir. I always. Pleasure. Yes, sir.

[A]

Good night, guys. Peace. Thanks for watching to the end, guys. Please comment below your thoughts on the episode. If you agree. If you disagree, I'd love to hear. I read every single comment. Means a lot to me. Thank you so much.