Why You Feel Sick But Tests Say You're Fine... | Dr Jessica Peatross & Robby Besner | DSH #1898

Summary

Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour – "Why You Feel Sick But Tests Say You're Fine..."

Episode: #1898
Date: April 1, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guests: Dr. Jessica Peatross (MD), Robby Besner

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Main Theme

This episode features a raw, unfiltered conversation on why so many people experience persistent health issues that conventional medical tests fail to explain. Dr. Jessica Peatross and Robby Besner discuss flaws in mainstream diagnostics and share controversial insights about vaccines, chronic infections (like Lyme and parasites), environmental toxins, and the personal costs of speaking out against established medical dogma.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Outdated Medical Testing

• Dr. Jess opens with criticism of standard blood work, which has barely changed in 30-50 years, often missing the root causes for why people feel unwell.

  “We haven't changed blood work in 30 to 50 years. You think that's accurate all the time? Give me a break on this.” (00:00)

• Robby points out symptoms can precede abnormal lab results by months, leading to patients being dismissed or referred for psychiatric help.

  “Ultimately they don't see it in the blood work because it may not show up until 45 to 60 days after. So they're saying you're crazy. Just go see a psychiatrist.” (00:09)

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2. Dr. Peatross’s Professional Journey and Medical Board Battles

• Dr. Peatross recounts being targeted by California medical boards after providing vaccine exemptions based on individualized risks (~00:39-06:41).
• She describes investigations, loss of her medical license, being publicly shamed, and her refusal to comply with what she perceived as corrupt mandates.
• Eventually, she moved to Florida and regained her license.

  “I don't kiss the ring of corrupt kings. Here is your license. And I willingly surrendered…” (01:56)
  “Now I'm able to actually help people again, which is a beautiful thing. It's my mission, the reason I'm here.” (06:42)

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3. Critique of Vaccination Policies

• The team discusses blanket vaccine protocols, especially hepatitis B at birth, questioning risk-benefit logic and informed consent (02:51-04:23).
• Dr. Jess and Robby share personal family experiences resisting hospital mandates, highlighting the pressure on healthcare staff to comply with institutional mandates.

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4. Rise in Chronic, Unexplained Illnesses: "Long COVID," Viral Reactivations, and More

• Dr. Peatross observes increased cases of post-viral syndromes, heart inflammation, chronic fatigue, and reactivation of viruses (e.g., Epstein-Barr, herpes) post-COVID and post-vaccination (06:57-08:13).

  “Histamine problems along Covid. Epstein Barr and Lyme reactivated. Herpes viruses reactivated. That’s what that does. It reactivates herpes viruses.” (06:57)

• Connection between COVID, vaccines, and immune dysregulation is asserted:

  “I'm seeing these people in clinic and they all have tachycardia…histamine problems. They can't tolerate anything.” (07:45)

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5. Sauna, Detoxification, and Mineral Deficiency

• Both guests advocate regular sauna use to support detoxification, referencing anecdotal and recent study results (09:29).

  “You can sweat out bpa, pcbs, you can sweat out a lot of the organophosphate pesticides…heavy metals.” (09:33)

• Discussion on detox binders and the importance of minerals and electrolyte supplementation to protect from depletion caused by binders and environmental toxins.

  “If you’re really demineralized, you want to be careful with a binder… they can make it worse for you.” (12:00)

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6. Paradigm Clash: Inflammation, Vaccines, and Mental Health

• Dr. Jess speculates about observable changes in mood—such as increased anger—among vaccine recipients, attributing it to brain inflammation caused by spike proteins.

  “I've definitely seen it with people... short fused, more angry. And I think it's all the inflammation…” (12:51)

• She points out that spike protein can accumulate in brain and reproductive tissues, referencing specific studies. (13:10–13:18)

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7. Big Pharma, Medical Research, and Systemic Accountability

• Pharmaceutical companies’ legal immunities and the 1986 childhood vaccine law are discussed, critiquing lack of pharmaceutical liability and the incentives for adding more vaccines to the schedule (14:14-15:20).
• Manipulation of clinical studies and outcomes via study design is highlighted, using the example of Andrew Wakefield and the MMR-autism controversy, and the shifting of diagnostic criteria for autism.

  “Let's be real. You can change the outcome of the study anytime you want with inclusion, exclusion criteria.” (18:01)

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8. The Problem of Dismissing “Invisible Ills”: Parasites and Lyme

• Dr. Jess points out medical denialism of parasites in the US, despite test inaccuracies and worldwide evidence (16:22-17:45).

• The imperfection of PCR and stool tests for stealth pathogens like parasites and Lyme is discussed.

  “Parasites don’t understand borders… you think our food’s the best country, best in the world anymore? Not even close.” (17:28)

• Regular parasite cleansing, common worldwide except the US, is seen as an important yet overlooked tool (21:37–22:04).

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9. Lyme Disease, Chronic Infection, and Western Medicine Limitations

• Intricacies of Lyme: spirochete bacteria, pleomorphism (shape-shifting), and hiding from immune attack and antibiotics; correlation with full moon due to parasite reproductive cycles (23:17–25:03).

  “...they sense that change, then they burrow into the soft tissue…when your chemistry changes back…it’s almost like someone turned the party lights on and the bugs come out.” (23:17–24:02)

• Conventional treatment protocols (like two weeks of antibiotics) are viewed as insufficient. Herbs and broader-spectrum natural treatments are favored.
• Need for more nuanced, integrative approaches to chronic infection and brain fog, ADHD misdiagnoses, and missed sleep-disordered breathing as manifestations of stealth infections (26:51–27:42).

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10. Turning Pain Into Purpose: Dr. Peatross’s Supplement Company

• Dr. Peatross reveals the inspiration behind her supplement line: having endured a difficult period (including what she describes as a “curse,” legal woes, health crises), she developed oral B vitamins, minerals, and glutathione to support people with similar needs (28:09–29:18).

  “...the impetus of my supplement company was because I was so demonic...generalized and stressed… I had a B vitamin deficiency that was raging…” (28:09)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On conventional medicine’s blind spots:

  “You can just get a test that hasn’t changed in years. It’s sorely inaccurate. It’s laughable.” (17:45, Dr. Jess)

• On medical persecution:

  “It’s kind of like if they don’t do it, then they have a chance of getting their badges pulled.” (04:01, Robbie)

• On the impact of questioning the system:

  "You want to fit in in your crowd. You want to be looked at as respected... that didn’t happen for me. So...I created these supplements for everyone else because I went through it too." (29:17, Dr. Jess)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–01:56: Critique of outdated medical testing; Dr. Peatross’s battles with medical boards in California
• 02:51–04:23: Conversation about vaccine mandates in hospitals and the challenges resisting them
• 06:57–08:13: Rise in post-COVID and post-vaccine chronic illnesses
• 09:29–11:17: Sauna, detox strategies, and mineral deficiency
• 12:45–13:18: Mood changes post-vaccination and spike protein neuroinflammation
• 14:14–15:20: Insights on pharmaceutical industry immunity and clinical research manipulation
• 16:22–17:45: Misconceptions about parasites and test reliability
• 21:37–22:04: Cultural differences in parasite cleansing
• 23:17–25:03: Lyme disease, pleomorphism, and full moon effects
• 28:09–29:18: Dr. Peatross’s origin story for her supplements

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Episode Tone and Language

• Bold, impassioned, and skeptical of mainstream dogma
• Candid and personal experiences—from legal battles to family stories—set an authentic, sometimes irreverent tone
• Mix of clinical terminology and accessible analogies (e.g., “tipping scale,” “bugs come out when party lights on”)

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Closing Reflections

This episode of Digital Social Hour is an unapologetic exploration of the gaps in conventional health care, what it means to challenge medical orthodoxy, and the personal consequences of doing so. Dr. Peatross and Robbie present an alternative approach—one built on individualized assessment, skepticism toward industry-funded research, and proactive detoxification and infection management. Their journey from pain to purpose underscores a recurring message: sometimes, the people who challenge you most are the ones who have endured—and learned—the most.

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For more information on Dr. Jessica Peatross’s supplement line and resources, see the episode description.

Transcript

[Dr. Jess Petros]

We haven't changed blood work in 30 to 50 years. You think that's accurate all the time? Give me a break on this. You had a doc on here recently saying parasites don't come in the usa and I wanted to laugh my head off.

[Robbie]

I mean, really, You've got this child or individual that knows they're not feeling well. And ultimately they don't see it in the blood work because it may not show up until 45 to 60 days after. So they're saying you're crazy. Just go see a psychiatrist.

[Podcast Host]

All right, guys, here at A4M, we got Dr. Jess Petros here, who's about to speak, and Robbie back on the show. And you've been on too already, so.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

I've been on.

[Podcast Host]

Let's do this.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Honored to be here again.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. What are you gonna talk about here?

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Oh, I don't know. We could talk about some juicy topics if you want. Absolutely. I think first and foremost, people could get an introduction to me really quick. My own personal story is a little juicy. Robbie knows my story well. So back when California passed the law to mandate 72 doses before the age of 18 to attend public school in California, I was there as a physician. I was doing. I. I really believe strongly in informed consent and that not everyone has the same genes to be able to tolerate 72 doses of. We are all epigenetically different and bio individual. And so I was working with a pediatric naturopath to do exemptions for since childhood on the childhood schedule in California. And they came after all of us under SB 277 and SB 276. They were subpoenaing patients medical records without their permission in the Health and Human Services department. So when I got the subpoena, I just thought it was like a family court case. So somebody was getting divorced, they were arguing about what their child should have. No one said it was the Medical Board of California. They opened them up under the guise of safety to look for the legitimacy of the. And then they got us in trouble for minutiae. Not signing charts in time, not doing the proper physical exam, not testing every ingredient and stipient to the person's DNA, which is not how it works. So when they came after me, I was one of hundreds that they came after. I thought the bigger play was not to take their punishment, which was three years probation, about 60 hours of their RE education and three years stipulated license with no exemptions. So I said, I don't kiss the ring of corrupt kings. Here is your license. And I willingly surrendered but you know what those jerks did? They put on the medical board of California's website, they put disciplinary surrender. But I surrendered under discipline. Not that I was made to surrender. So that set the stage for me about how this was an agenda. An agenda for. You can see it now. I mean, every time I open up my Instagram or social media, the first thing I see is some sort of public health department, some sort of uneducated congressman or congresswoman talking about how they want. It's awful that we got rid of the, the hepatitis B at birth.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, they got rid of them.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Well, they just stopped mandating it at birth. I should say that they can push it out now a couple months because, you know, all babies are doing IV drugs and having sex. I mean, it's risk for them, you know.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

So, you know, and then people say, well, you know, hepatitis B this and the women could have it. Test the women. Test the women. What are we doing? Why are we just blanking children right out of the womb? It's ridiculous. Is the logic. Isn't logic for.

[Robbie]

Yeah, we just went through all that. We just had our first grandchild like two years ago. And just the debate of like the amount they give this zero day old child is ridiculous.

[Podcast Host]

Did you let them?

[Robbie]

No, actually I, Yeah, I went to an extreme and I said, you over my dead body.

[Podcast Host]

You can be that leave sometimes the

[Robbie]

hospital, a lot of, A lot of that stuff. And actually it's kind of. You can't let them out of your sight because the nurses will turn around, turn the baby around behind you.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah, they will. Yes, they do. I've seen it before.

[Podcast Host]

They take the baby and turn it around.

[Robbie]

Well, no, they'll turn their back to you with you in your plain sight. Yeah. So it gets ugly. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

That should be illegal. Like that's not a way.

[Robbie]

Well, let me see. That's an interesting question about legal and legal because, you know, they're following a mandate and so they always think that they're. Whether they have a political judgment position on it or not, their licenses are at risk as well as you had went through. So it's kind of like if they don't do it, then they have a chance of getting their badges pulled or publicly admonished.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah, publicly. Public humiliation for me.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Robbie]

Well, I think there's a part that you didn't articulate and that is you're a high profile individual and you're also outspoken. So what they like to do is target you so that you, they can kind of embarrass you in front of the community so that everybody else learns that subliminal message about you don't want to be stepping into her water because then we're going to come after you too. And so they like to look at the high profile people to make them

[Dr. Jess Petros]

A set of Dr. Bob Sears, Dr. Kelly Sutton, these are all the doctors that got in trouble before me. And you know, I remember being on the phone with the medical board of California's, the attorney general and then my lawyer and then a judge, and they were trying to get the settlement with me. And he said, you know, you don't have to surrender. You can take the punishment. And I said, oh, are you giving me a microphone? And so I went on to tell them, just because you want me to test every ingredient, that's not the way the body works. You know, you give so many toxins, adjuvants, things, formaldehyde, sometimes mercury. If it's in, it's in the shot. There's all kinds of different aborted cell lines that have been immortalized. There's all kinds of different adjuvants and antibiotics, glyphosate and. And nobody reads no one. So I can't, I can't get on board. When I was with them on the phone, I literally said, I'll never be back here. This is not how the body works. These are the ingredients. You can't test each ingredient to say there's an allergy. It's a tipping scale in the body out of homeostasis or not. Right.

[Podcast Host]

Was Cali the only state that did this?

[Dr. Jess Petros]

No. Good question. So after I surrendered in California, it was about two, three months later, the Oregon Medical Board, where I had a locum tenant's license. I hadn't been there in six years to practice medicine. They came and said, you have to surrender your locums tenens. Means you can come there and work as needed, kind of. And so I'd been there in six, seven years. They said, you have to come and surrender your license here. We're going to open an investigation on you. So they just followed suit with California. And then about a month after that, the DEA got a hold of me and said, you have to send your DEA license because you don't have a medical license in any state any longer.

[Robbie]

It's like a domino effect.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Absolutely it is. So then the beautiful part of this story is when I moved to Florida two years ago, I got my Florida license back. And when they emailed me, they said, here is your Florida license, unencumbered. Welcome To Florida.

[Podcast Host]

Let's go. Interesting.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Let's go. And so now I'm able to actually help people again, which is a beautiful thing. It's my mission, the reason I'm here. So, you know, I am very outspoken about things at this point. I'm very outspoken. Even during the COVID years, I was outspoken against that as well.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

And now we're looking at the repercussions of everyone who got that long. That's all I see. Histamine problems along Covid. Epstein Barr and Lyme reactivated. Herpes viruses reactivated. That's what that does. It reactivates herpes viruses.

[Podcast Host]

What?

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

You know that reactivates it.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yes.

[Robbie]

Oh, yeah. And not to mention, like, all the exogenous frequencies that are also get those switches, like 5G and that are also. We're discovering or activating a lot of the subtleties. Sort of like it's an accident waiting to happen, you know, and it's sad because sudden deaths that we're seeing of people that are basically pretty healthy but just don't wake up one day. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

A lot of athletes.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Young athletes that died randomly.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

That's right.

[Podcast Host]

Heart. Heart things.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Myocarditis, pericarditis. I mean, I'm seeing them in clinic now. I'm seeing these people in clinic and they all have tachycardia, high heart rates. You know, they're all got. They are all puffy, they've all got rashes, they all have brain fog, they all have histamine problems. They can't tolerate anything. It's ridiculous. And they all link when they got either or the infection.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Because the mimic the infection.

[Podcast Host]

I know two people right now in their 20s and 30s that they have heart issues. When they stand up, it just starts racing.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

That's why it's postural orthostatic tachycardic syndrome. So they have, you know, they stand up, their blood pressure falls, their heart rate goes up. They can't get in the sauna, they can't get hot. Like they couldn't get in your sauna.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Because they start having a high heart rate. So those people, they're so sensitive and it's. It's because their heart is seeing a problem. Despite protein, it's seeing a problem. It's tacking away appropriately. And so if you can get them in the sauna, that helps a lot to do, like a bind. Binder and a sweat in the sauna. Go slow. Get them in like five minutes one week, tack a couple minutes on the next week, and the minute after that. Because they can't tolerate anything.

[Robbie]

Right. We assume that we just titrate people in slowly. If they're symptomatic and express some kind of, you know, like, being very fragile in a way, then we even go even slower. But we just assume within the toxic world. And then, you know, if they're willing to talk about their history, then that kind of adds another layer of just caution. And it's just, you know, we sell a portable version. But the idea is that, you know, like, we get toxic a little bit every day. So if we can detox a little bit every day to kind of keep your body in check and you live in a healthy way and purposeful way, then we're on target the way we're supposed to.

[Podcast Host]

Sauna's undeniable now. I just saw Brian Johnson's new study with it.

[Robbie]

Amazing.

[Podcast Host]

That was crazy. He was getting microplastics out of his body with just sauna.

[Robbie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

You can sweat out bpa, pcbs, you can sweat out a lot of the organophosphate pesticides. It's amazing. But you can sweat out. I can show you a study where you can set out. Sweat out heavy metals.

[Podcast Host]

No way.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Mercury, they say lead, stored in the bones. You sweat out lead, cagmium. And it's a small study. It's still relevant.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

So people don't even know. They tell me, don't sweat. I'm like, that's not normal, guys.

[Podcast Host]

Some people can't sweat in saunas.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

And that's generally because their bars are clogged or that they're dehydrated, which is a big problem. I'm talking about cellular hydration. You can drink a lot of water, but if your cells aren't holding on to the water, that's the key. And so that's where the problem is.

[Podcast Host]

Is that like a gut thing, you think, or what is that?

[Robbie]

Well, no, I think what it is is the water sources, like, they're not structured cells, like sunlight structures water inside your body and lack of sun, certain frequencies of sunlight lack that structure. So cell communication and function. Their methylation process isn't quite as. As good as it could be.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Optimally, they're demineralized. Right. Everybody's demineralized. Everyone I see is a problem with minerals.

[Podcast Host]

Get them up on my. My scan.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Did it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Oh, I started drinking electrolytes.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Good for you. How that will help your nervous system so much. Actually, NERV nerves have. They need a potential or a charge to fire. Right. And so if you don't have a charge, then your nervous system doesn't work right. It doesn't fire properly. And so if you don't have minerals met similar charges via ionic mimicry can get in the same places and embed in the same places that enzymatic reactions that you would need minerals. And so it's really, really important to be able to get the minerals out that due to binding affinity and things like that, they can knock those metals out of their hiding places. And that really resets people's nervous system. I can't tell you how many people are like you. Everyone that comes to see me in clinic, they get minerals. Everybody.

[Robbie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I. Some heavy metal issues too.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

You know, that's interesting because the metal has a covalent bond which is the opposite of your body charge. Okay. So what's cool about infrared versus like the hot rock saunas or steam rooms is that it actually creates a vibration and breaks that covalent bond. So now that it can actually effectively pull out the heavy metal. Because once the bond is broken, then the metal cascades into your blood serum and then you can bind it up and with actually I like charged carbon particles. But you guys have a great binder that I know you're about to come out with.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah, it just launched.

[Robbie]

I want. Yeah, I want to kind of jam on that a little bit so you can talk about. Yeah, shipping blue stuff is just crazy.

[Podcast Host]

Taking binders when they go in the

[Dr. Jess Petros]

sauna, you think it's a good idea for people. Now I have one caveat with that is if you're really demineralized, you want to be careful with a binder because binders bind up depending on the type. They bind up minerals as well. They bind up every food, supplements, minerals. You have to time them away from other things like that. So if you're demineralized, you have to be careful with binders. They can make it worse for you. So, so, you know, really make sure you're taking minerals away from the binder so you are evening out that effect for yourself. It would be my advice.

[Robbie]

Yeah. And you can throw electrolytes into your water and do simple things like that. So it's not like you have to work at it. You just have to. It's a sequencing thing.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah, yeah, I agree with that completely. But have you guys noticed though that. Back to the COVID really quick. Have you guys noticed that people who've gotten the vaccine have been more angry and aggressive?

[Podcast Host]

I huh.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

You guys notice that?

[Podcast Host]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a link. But is that happening?

[Dr. Jess Petros]

I've definitely seen it with people. It's an anecdotal evidence. It's just, you know, it's not objective, it's subjective. But I have seen them be short fused, more angry. And I think it's all the inflammation that's kicked up by the spike protein because, you know, that's neuroinflammation too. That's a brain on fire type of stuff. And so I've definitely seen the spike protein. We know that it accumulates in the brain.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

We know that it does. It leaves the site of injection, accumulates in the reproductive organs and the fatty tissues.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap. Bad everywhere.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah, yeah.

[Robbie]

It's a big problem. Moving forward.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

This is a leaky as well. I can show you published studies that show leaky. It's the name of the study.

[Podcast Host]

And they're still giving it to babies, right? They're still living. Yeah.

[Robbie]

What's going on now? They want to add more. They're scheduling for more.

[Podcast Host]

They're on fifth one now, right? Yeah, I lost, I lost track after the fourth one.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

I'm like, I can't take 12 or 15 growing up. I mean it's crazy. So. So yeah, that's the thing about this is, is that if it really. What's it really doing? Right. So I see people have spike protein years after they got their like over 2500 on the, on the LabCorp test.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

And it's ridiculous. It's. And they all have histamine problems. They've got herpes virus, Epstein Barr reactivated, Lyme reactivated, parasites reactivated.

[Podcast Host]

Oh God.

[Robbie]

So, you know, it's not quite off topic, but in the veterinary world they'll a three pound animal like full grown as they would a Great Dane.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yes.

[Robbie]

Same level of.

[Podcast Host]

That doesn't make sense.

[Robbie]

Well, not at all. But it's again just a protocol. And so, you know, like the things really don't make sense. The, the political and legal accountability of the companies that make them. They're. They. The legislation was orchestrated so that there's basically no reprisal, there's no, you can't push back. And, and the fact that they haven't really done the human trials and that what they would do normally that's required to release a drug. They just sort of push their stuff through.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah. They take previous. They've approved and approve new things with the basis of the old using the old. It's really corrupt. And you're right, they can't be sued. 1986 childhood law. Right. Our Taxpayer dollars pay for people who go through the courts. Actually, there's a special court for. And yeah, so it's our taxpayer dollars paying this for people. And it's, you know, it's a billion dollar industry. I think these pharmaceutical companies aren't making being rich off these. Of course they are. Every time one's added. So let's be real, but, you know, safe and effective. You say that enough people will believe that.

[Podcast Host]

Sure. So I never questioned growing up really, to be honest. When I was in high school, we had to get them for sports. I was like, oh, this is going to help me be a better athlete.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

You know, I got my. Every year. Is a hospitalist in the hospital every year. Didn't question it one time.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Isn't it weird how the flu comes every year? Yeah, that's weird.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I've been looking into that conspiracy.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

It's weird that it disappeared during COVID too.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. No flu deaths for three years.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Weird.

[Podcast Host]

Three years when there was an average of like 50,000 a year. About.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah. Well, you know, they created that Covid sequence in a computer system. They pieced it together because the PCR polymerase chain reaction, you know, it's a. What it does is it takes sequences of viruses, bacteria, whatever, and it exponentially amplifies them so they can tell what the amino acid sequence is and what kind of pathogen we're dealing with.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

And when they do have the missing pieces of those amino acids, they piece it together in a. In a computer.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Oh, yeah, yeah. So that's how the PCR test works, and that's how they can. I'm not saying they did, but I'm seeing if they wanted to, they could spend some evidence that way.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. A lot of people are testing positive randomly with those tests.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Right, right, exactly. You know, we know I use them a lot for gut test UI Zoomer or Gut Zoomer GI Map. I love those. But it's a PCR test and they miss parasites sometimes. They miss them a lot. And so it's not like people talk about, oh, you should go get tested for parasites. You get tested for this. It's like these are stealth pathogens that have been round as long as we have. They aren't bad at their jobs. And so our tests are the ones that are lacking. It's our tests that are lacking that are inaccurate. We haven't changed blood work in 30 to 50 years. You think that's accurate all the time? Give me a break on this. To research the PCR test and some of the ways we're doing the test. And you had a doc on here recently saying parasites don't come in the usa, and I wanted to laugh my head off. I mean, really? Really. And you can go get over and over, O and P test, stool test, and it's accurate. Okay, first of all, parasites don't understand borders. And they don't. They don't understand that there. This is Mexico and this is the United States. And you think our food's the best country, Best in the world anymore?

[Podcast Host]

Not even close.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Not even close. You think there's not trauma in this country that tracks stuff like that for cleanup because we're part of the ecosystem. That's right. So the fact that people are so naive or uneducated that they think parasites can't happen in this country and you can just get a test that hasn't changed in years, it's sorely inaccurate. Is laughable.

[Podcast Host]

Well, she's a Western doctor. I feel like most of them don't really take the parasite stuff seriously.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Right, right. But they don't take Lyme seriously either. They take what they're taught in a government institution and take it as the Bible, and it's laughable.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

I'm sorry, but the fact that they think that the studies that are published are always right. Let's be real. You can change the outcome of the study anytime you want with inclusion exclusion criteria. You can change the outcome of the study. Let's not be naive. Well, you know, for example, let me just tell you one thing that happened. So Dr. Andy Wakefield, who completely got blackballed by the medical institution.

[Robbie]

They know him.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah. Great guy, right?

[Robbie]

Yeah, they. And, well, he was one of the pioneers in exposing the whole thing.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Well, yeah, he's a trailblazer.

[Robbie]

And, yeah, I think he's out of London. Right. English.

[Podcast Host]

So even in London, they're getting.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Oh, they persecuted him. They persecuted him. They're still talking about him like they do Jenny McCarthy. What? Yeah, because, you know, he had this study that came out that showed that black babies were more susceptible to the mmr, and it caused, dare I say, autism, which, you know, you can change the name, like toxic encephalopathy or encephalitis, and people don't know it's autism. They change the name to stuff a lot. So, you know, and, you know, he ended up. They ended up coming back saying the study was markedly wrong. They found evidence. They pulled the study, they took his license, they literally blackballed him. And what he showed in his movie, 1986 the act was that by changing the criteria of the study, they changed the outcome when they came back to redo his study. And so they followed little black boys throughout after they got the mmr until ages. I believe it was like two and a half or three and a half. And that's not when most autism cases are diagnosed. It's after the age of three or four.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

And so on purpose, they left out this curve. So it looks like the results are so huge. So you can always do this, right? You can always do this with studies.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

So let's not be naive here. Illogical. Like, you can get. You can get the answer and outcome you want by working your way backwards that way.

[Podcast Host]

Sure. That's so annoying because people want to trust studies and totally. You know, like, how do you even find good information anymore?

[Dr. Jess Petros]

It's so hard. It's so difficult really, to know what the intentions and the conflicts are. You really have to. It's almost too much for the layperson to have to dig into the studies themselves. So that's why I'm really thankful for people in the industry who do that for us and show us a different. A different voice, a different perspective. Like, you know, we're. We're not the healthiest country in the world. We've got the horrible birth rate survival. We've got horrible chronic health issues. Like, what we have been doing has not been working. We have to have a new perspective with new voices. And so to persecute these people, these trailblazers, who are just thinking outside the box and what is science questions questioning? Science is never settled. And these people, they get made fun of, they get torn down, they get censored, they get deleted. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Robbie]

Sure.

[Podcast Host]

I guess adults are just having you guys on sometimes. Yeah.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Strike on my YouTube.

[Robbie]

Really?

[Podcast Host]

Still not fixed.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Must have been a good one.

[Podcast Host]

It was. Jonathan Otto. Do you guys know?

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Oh, yeah, I know too.

[Podcast Host]

Well, he's talking a little too much about urine therapy, and I got a strike.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah, I've been told that they will. They will absolutely censor you for urine therapy.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I have heard they don't want that out there.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

It's interesting.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

It's. Have you heard him talk about it? It's interesting.

[Robbie]

Now we know. Jonathan.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

I don't pretend to be an expert, but the way they talk about the amino acids and steroids that come out that you should drink and use on your face.

[Robbie]

Yeah, he was.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I've never tried it.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah, I was gonna ask. Would be my next question.

[Robbie]

No, he is convincing. I'm adventurous, but I'm not going there.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Robbie]

There's levels.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

I mean, you know, I feel like I can biohack that other ways.

[Robbie]

Yeah, absolutely. Totally. You know, the America is one of the only, that's one of the only countries that doesn't really do any kind of parasite cleansing or deworming. You come outside the US like the Asian block countries in India and those areas, South America, it's all part of their culture.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

They do it every six months or so than that. Yeah, three to six months.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yes, absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

I do two a year.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Perfect.

[Podcast Host]

I feel amazing after them.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Right. And to tell people to look at people in the face and be like that doesn't work. You've bought a grifter pseudoscience. It's just like I want to slap them like, you know, why do you think people got into this? They got in this because they had, they had something happen to them and they went there and tried something different. It worked for them. It's not like grifters just come out of the blue and figure up this crazy idea and start selling stuff. It's because they went through it.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, if they don't think parasites are ill, go get a colonic tomorrow. Tell me they don't, they don't exist. You know what I mean? You're going to see some parasites, right?

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Exactly. And the fact that they don't think that, you know, they can live in the body for years, that you can pass it on. I mean, for me, Lyme is Lyme and it's co infections. That was your parasites. You know it's sexually transmitted. Yes, it's. It's a corkscrew shaped bacteria that's similar to syphilis. It's a cousin to syphilis. And because form follows function in microbiology, and so it, because it's a corkscrew, it burrows into mucous membranes. So like H. Pylori is a corkscrew, burrows in the gut lining. Right. Lyme burrows in the brain tissue into the joint fluid. I mean, same as syphilis, right? Syphilis. Cause tertiary syphilis caused in the brain. That's what we think Napoleon had. You know, makes people crazy. And Lyme is the same way. It's a similar cousin.

[Robbie]

Well, there's three, there's three spirochetes that will cross over the blood brain barrier. And of course Lyme is one of them. What's the other two? Well, syphilis, it's all part of that same family. And so the deal Is that they're kind of smart. And the approach that western medicine has taken with using barrages of antibiotics changes your blood chemistry. They sense that change, then they burrow into the soft tissue and they go. That's when you go into something water remission, where you'll feel like less symptomatic. And then your chemistry changes back. It's almost like someone turned the party lights on and the bugs come out. Could be emotional, like either trauma that's from emotion or physical, or a combination of both. Dang, that's smart.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

And it also kind of. Then they feel a sense of change of your blood chemistry. Also your immune system is somewhat compromised because of whatever, you know, that trauma has been. And then they come out and play.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah, they do this. They're pleomorphic, they call it, which means they can change shapes. So usually a spirochetus corkscrew shape the bacteria. But when you give doxycycline, for example, which the Infectious Disease Society of America says you need two weeks out to get rid of Lyme. So anyway, basically it can change its form into a L L sphere or L form, which is a circle, and go burrow deeper into the tissues where the antibiotics can't get it. So it's like walled itself off a little bit. It's very intelligent. And you then around the times of the full moon, when parasites reproductive cycle is happening, people will have increased joint pains, increased brain fog, increased fatigue, because it's like a parasite or Lyme party. Right. They reproduce around that time. They're out of the tissues. They're out of their hiding places. The body sees it. Oh, I missed you. Kill. Kill. That's the inflammation cascade.

[Robbie]

Yeah, yeah. There's a gravitational pull around the full moon and they sense that change in energy. That's how subtle they are.

[Podcast Host]

More crime on full moon days.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah, that's right. Crazy ers always.

[Robbie]

We always talked about werewolves come out. Werewolves come out on full moon. Yeah. You know that, right?

[Podcast Host]

I think I've heard that before for sure.

[Robbie]

Yeah. It's quite a challenge, right?

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah. You know, I mean, the Infectious Disease Society of America quotes its own papers as guidelines and treatments. So it's a little incestuous.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

So, you know, that's why we have two weeks of doxycycline. If you prescribe more than a month, they really think it's malpractice. But you know, for me, I don't like to use any antibiotics because I know that doxycycline amount of treatment isn't enough for Lyme. So I prefer herbs, you know, and a lot of these herbs have crossover bacteria, parasites, yeast, so you can use them for a multitude of things. When you do a parasite cleanse, it's getting other issues, too.

[Podcast Host]

That makes sense.

[Robbie]

When you started with our stuff with our family and Lyme, they just thought that, like, 10 days of an antibiotic would knock it out, which is worse, right? Well, it just is less than a band aid. That's what I want to say about it.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

And so the challenge is that if you're lucky enough to even understand, like, a bullseye rash and just kind of. That back 25 years ago, there weren't as many Lyme literate doctors that actually kind of knew what to look for or actually asked the question. So it wasn't even on their radar. And then you've got this child that. Or individual that knows they're not feeling well. And ultimately they don't see it in the blood work because it may not show up until 45 to 60 days after.

[Podcast Host]

Geez.

[Robbie]

Okay, so they're saying you're crazy. Just go see a psychiatrist. Or, you know, wow. That kind of thing. It's just. It's really.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

I'll tell you what else I've seen personally, personally is that it causes this picture. It looks almost like sleep apnea. So they can get up in the nasal passages. Right. Because mold can colonize here in the mucous membranes. Right. Parasites can get up in here, too. I've seen them. I've seen someone pull a worm out of their nose in front of my face, so. So it can colonize up here. And it's people's nose get stopped up and they start mouth breathing, and then they won't sleep well. It's almost like a sleep apnea picture. Four to five hours a night, and they'll get on, like, ADHD medications, Adderall and Ritalin and caffeine, and think that all these problems are wrong. And they have diagnosed ADHD at this point, which, by the way, how is distractibility a disease? I just have questions about that and just questions. And so. And then it's not actually a sleep apnea or adhd. It's like you're not sleeping in a restorative sleep because you have pathogens that your body is seeing that you don't necessarily.

[Robbie]

Right.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Well, guys, it's been fun.

[Robbie]

No, no. We need two minutes on what she's doing these days. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Goes off with what you're doing.

[Robbie]

Where crazy finds stuff. A whole supplement line that's coming Out. That is just amazing.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Thanks.

[Robbie]

I beta tested some of it. I mean, it was the best tasting glutathione in my entire.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Robbie]

Oh, yeah. Crazy. Which, you know, historically doesn't. You know, you take it because you need it, but you kind of got to deal with the fact that it doesn't taste so good. And then she came out with a formulation that was amazing.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Well, I'm going to give you a bomb right here in the last two minutes. So. So about eight years ago, I met someone who put a black magic African root curse on me. And I did not know it for years. It followed me for years. During that time, I had three lawsuits, my medical license taken by the medical board, miscarriage, my dog died of brain tumor, all these horrible things. It sounded like a country song happened to me. And when this curse was broken, finally, I was like a new person. I look different, I feel different, all that kind of stuff. And the reason for the impetus of my supplement company was because I was so demonic, generalized and stressed out and sympathetic overdrive with that curse on me. I had a B vitamin deficiency that was raging. I needed something that I knew absorbed in the mouth and not the gut, because my gut was a mess after that. And that's why I created the minerals, the B vitamins that are methylated, the glutathione. That's why I did. That was for me. And then what helped me, I was like, I should just really make everyone take this.

[Robbie]

Right? Well, no. So again, pain to passion. Right, Right. So you had that experience, but boom, it puts you in the position where you became hypersensitive to understand and you're not alone with that.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

Yeah, that's right.

[Robbie]

It's great that you're sharing it with.

[Dr. Jess Petros]

I'm a medical doctor. Do you think we want to be persecuted and made the odd man out and being called a quack? You know, we don't want that. We want to help people. You know what? So what I had to do was so hard for me because you want to fit in in your crowd. You want to. You want to be looked at as respected, you know, and that didn't happen for me. So, you know, it's great now I've been redeemed, but I treated these supplements for everyone else because I went through it too. And so that's why I want to just say doctors out there who say what you think is outlandish, it's probably because they've been something through, something you can't understand yet.

[Robbie]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

Well said. We'll include a link to that below. Thanks for coming on, guys.

[Robbie]

Great. Yeah, peace.

[Podcast Host]

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