Yasmine Mohammed: Why Leaving Islam Can Be a Death Sentence | DSH #1714

Summary

Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour

Episode: Yasmine Mohammed: Why Leaving Islam Can Be a Death Sentence | DSH #1714
Date: December 28, 2025
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Yasmin Mohammed

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Overview

In this gripping episode, Sean Kelly talks with Yasmin Mohammed—author, activist, and outspoken critic of Islamic extremism—about her extraordinary life journey from a strict Islamist upbringing in Canada to her escape from an abusive forced marriage to an Al Qaeda member, and ultimately her public advocacy for reform and freedom of expression. Yasmin candidly exposes the dangers faced by apostates, the pervasiveness of honor culture and religious dogmatism, the role of Western silence, and the global dangers of Islamist political ambitions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Yasmin’s Upbringing and Forced Marriage

• Childhood in Canada: Yasmin was born in Vancouver to an Egyptian mother and Palestinian father. After her parents’ divorce, her mother sought community in a local mosque and soon married a devout Islamist as a second wife—illegal under Canadian law but permitted in Islam ([01:20]).
• Escalating Control: The stepfather’s influence led to strict religious enforcement: hijab, prohibitions, and ultimately raising Yasmin and her sister with fundamentalist views ([02:18]).
• Abuse and Forced Marriage:
  • Yasmin reveals severe abuse: “I tried to get her husband arrested because he was sexually and physically abusing me. And later, when I was 18, they tried to force me into marriage with my cousin” ([00:00]).
  • Later, at 19, her mother forced her to marry an Al Qaeda operative, seeking a man “strong enough to control you” ([03:20], [39:03]).
• Escape: After having a daughter with her terrorist husband, Yasmin resolved to escape for her child’s sake, eventually getting out and starting a new life ([04:52]).

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Apostasy, Honor, and Danger

• The Risks of Leaving Islam: Yasmin highlights the deadly seriousness:
  “The punishment for leaving Islam is execution” ([06:15]).
  “There’s no freedom of religion, no freedom of thought, no freedom of expression, no freedom” ([06:16]).
• Family Threats:
  • Her own mother threatened to kill her simply for removing her hijab, fearing she’d ultimately leave Islam: “Because she said, well, if you take off your hijab, your next step is going to be that you leave Islam. So I need to make sure that you’re killed before you leave Islam, because I won’t be the mother of an infidel” ([05:41]).
• Global Reality: About 15 Muslim-majority countries maintain apostasy laws with the death penalty ([06:24]).
• Why So Few Leave:
  • “It’s like Hotel California, right?... If you try to leave, then you’ll be killed… They know they’re holding people hostage. They know that their religion isn’t one that people willingly want to be a part of, especially women” ([06:47]).

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The Spread of Islamism and Western Complicity

• Islamism in the West:
  • Yasmin notes the growing visibility of Islamist practices in Canada and the U.S., supported by the silence of both Muslim reformers (for fear) and Western progressives (for misunderstanding or misplaced tolerance).
  • She references the West’s inability to recognize threats, giving the example of George Clooney’s wife’s involvement with the Muslim Brotherhood, “and nobody freaked out” ([09:40], [21:59]).
• Leftist-Islamist Alliance: She explains the historical linkage between Islamists and leftists:
  • “This combination of socialism and Islamism is not new… They did it in Iran as well. That’s how the Islamic regime came to power… They worked together and they brought down the Shah” ([09:16]).
• Weaponizing ‘Islamophobia’:
  • The term is used to silence dissent: “It kind of sounds like xenophobia, homophobia… and so people are speaking up against child marriage… female genital mutilation… but don’t you dare criticize these things when they’re coming from an Islamic context. That’s when it’s not allowed. Now it becomes Islamophobia” ([12:46]).

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Media, Propaganda, and Social Control

• Controlling the Narrative:
  • Yasmin discusses how Islamist groups, and particularly organizations like Hamas, are “great at controlling the narrative… especially with younger people” by using social media, fabricated visuals, and victimhood rhetoric ([26:39], [29:06]).
  • “A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets… a chance… to get their pants on. It’s too late by then.” ([28:20])
• Western Naiveté:
  • The West’s reluctance to confront uncomfortable facts—including the reality of Islamist influence and the silencing of dissenters—is enabling the problem. Yasmin points out that even factual recountings of atrocities, such as the Yazidi genocide, are canceled in Canada for alleged “Islamophobia” ([17:29]).

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Internal Reform and the Brave Minority

• Speaking Out is Dangerous but Necessary:
  • “I recommend people speak up… they’ve scared people into silence, obviously, through all of this terrorism… all these things force people to stay quiet. They see what happened to Salman Rushdie, they get scared” ([12:21]).
  • “It’s scary… The massive silent majority… at this point, that kind of cowardice, I have no respect for…” ([20:58]).
• Highlighting Allies:
  • Yasmin collaborates with reformed Muslims and secularists:
    • “I’m co-director with Dr. Zudi Jaster… He’s a Muslim, so he should want me dead… but instead we’re working together against Islamists” ([41:34]).
    • Allies include reformist Muslims like Dalia Ziada, speaking out at personal risk ([42:18]).

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The Global Islamist Ambition

• Goal: Global Caliphate by Any Means:
  • Yasmin asserts the goal is a “global caliphate”: “They’re relentless about it… So according to their own mission statements, they’re going to do it through what they called civilizational jihad… using our current laws and structures, secularism, and our systems against us, so they can infiltrate” ([23:35], [24:53]).
  • Methods include demographics—immigration and high birth rates—leading to political blocs, then gradual cultural and legal influence ([25:17]).
• Cyclical Violence:
  • Propaganda and violence are used to further this goal and silence dissent, as illustrated by attacks such as 9/11, Charlie Hebdo, and October 7 ([12:21], [26:39]).

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Personal Impact, Healing, and Advocacy

• The Trauma:
  • Yasmin describes the “Truman Show” effect—everything in her life turned out to be built on lies ([33:36]).
  • The abuse, forced isolation, and total lack of autonomy left long-lasting scars, yet once she had a daughter, she found the motivation to escape and fight for change ([39:44]).
• Becoming a Voice:
  • Yasmin began publicly speaking in 2014, inspired by Bill Maher and Sam Harris’s attempts to raise these issues on Real Time, and the subsequent backlash ([13:45]).
  • “I was like, here I am, a brown-skinned Arab woman, and I’m going to say the exact same thing as these guys… you can’t just shut me down because of immutable characteristics…” ([15:31]).
• Persistence:
  • Despite immense danger and resistance, Yasmin has published her story (now in 17 languages) and is the subject of an upcoming feature film ([01:41], [22:50], [40:55]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The punishment for leaving Islam is execution.”
  — Yasmin Mohammed ([06:15])

• “It’s like Hotel California, right?... They know they’re holding people hostage.”
  — Yasmin Mohammed ([06:47])

• On silencing dissent:
  “All of these things… force people to stay quiet. They see what happened to Salman Rushdie, they get scared.”
  — Yasmin Mohammed ([12:21])

• On Western misunderstanding:
  “For George Clooney to be sitting on Drew Barrymore’s show, talking about his wife was supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, and nobody freaked out…”
  — Yasmin Mohammed ([21:59])

• On manipulation of the narrative:
  “A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets… a chance… to get their pants on… It’s too late by then.”
  — Yasmin Mohammed ([28:20])

• On breaking free:
  “There comes a point where the rage overcomes the fear… I just need more people to be brave, and I need more people to speak out.”
  — Yasmin Mohammed ([45:29])

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Important Timestamps

• Yasmin’s Childhood Abuse & Forcible Marriage: [00:00] – [04:52]
• Danger of Apostasy/Leaving Islam: [05:41] – [07:32]
• Islamism's Expansion in the West: [02:18] – [09:02]
• Left-Islamist Alliance Explained: [09:16] – [11:11]
• Censorship and Weaponization of ‘Islamophobia’: [12:21] – [13:45]
• Speaking Out and Media Backlash: [13:45] – [16:05]
• Yazidi Genocide and Western Silence: [17:10] – [18:44]
• Civilizational Jihad Explained: [24:53] – [25:17]
• Propaganda Wars and Social Media: [26:39] – [29:06]
• Personal Journey and Building Advocacy: [41:34] – [44:31]
• Final Call to Bravery and Warnings for the West: [45:29] – [46:39]

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Conclusion

Yasmin’s story is one of immense courage and unflinching honesty. She illuminates the risks faced by those who challenge religious dogma, the silence and complicity that enable extremism, and the urgency for open dialogue and alliance-building between reformers—regardless of faith or background. Her call: “I just need more people to be brave, and I need more people to speak out.” ([45:29])

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Further Engagement:

• Yasmin’s book is available in 17 languages and on Audible (narrated by Yasmin herself) ([40:18]).
• She is co-founder of the Clarity Coalitions, a group focused on exposing Islamist agendas in the West ([41:34]).
• Look out for the upcoming film about Yasmin’s life ([01:41]).

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Host’s Final Note:
“If this relates with you… please start speaking out. That’s important.” — Sean Kelly ([48:18])

Transcript

[Yasmin Mohammed]

I was 13 years old. I tried to get her husband arrested because he was sexually and physically abusing me. And later, when I was 18, they tried to force me into marriage with my cousin.

[Sean]

What? So that's true? Because I see that online.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

That's 100% true, Sean. Yes, yes. Very, very common.

[Sean]

Oh, my gosh. Okay, guys, Yasmin Mohammed here today. Thanks for coming to Las Vegas.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Thank you so much for having me, Sean.

[Sean]

Yeah, we had a little issue at the airport, but made it happen.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yes. I appreciate you.

[Sean]

What's new in your world? I think we should start there and then dive into your story.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, well, right now, actually, a movie is being made about my life, so that's pretty cool.

[Sean]

Congrats.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Thank you. Yeah. The filmmaker who made. He did the movie Golda with Helen Mirren.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And so now he's going to be doing a movie about my life.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And did he get. How did he find out about your story? Was it through podcasts? Was it through you speaking out on social media?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Well, he read my book and he reached out to me, so I don't know exactly how he found. I think it might have been through Sam Harris's podcast.

[Sean]

Nice.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

But I'm not really sure.

[Sean]

Yeah, that's going to be exciting. Let's. Let's dive into your story. A quick little summary of it. I know there's a lot we could talk about there, but for those that are seeing you for the first time, could you dive into that?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah. So I was born and raised in Vancouver, Canada. My mom is from Cairo, Egypt, and my dad is from Gaza. And they met in Egypt and then moved to San Francisco, and that's where they had my sister. And then eventually they ended up moving to Vancouver where they had my brother and I. And then their marriage fell apart. And so my mom ended up going to the mosque just looking for community and support. And that's where she found a very religious man who was already married, already had three kids, but took my mom on as his second wife. So it's illegal in Canada to have more than one wife concurrently, but in Islam, a man can have up to four wives. So my mom was wife number two. And he came into our lives, and suddenly everything was forbidden, everything was haram. Right. So my mom had to start wearing hijab. Eventually, my sister and I started wearing hijab, so we had to cover everything but our hands. Hands and face.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

In Canada.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

In Canada, yeah.

[Sean]

Which isn't normal over there.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Well, it wasn't at that time. It unfortunately, is getting much more now in Canada.

[Sean]

I did not know that. Okay.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean]

In certain cities or all over Canada?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

I'd say it's all over Canada by now. I would have said certain cities in the past, but now it's all over Canada.

[Sean]

So Islam a spread to the west, to Canada, 100%.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

America's next.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

America is next America. I mean, I'm really happy to see that Trump has just recently signed the executive order to designate the Muslim Brotherhood a foreign terrorist organization, because they absolutely are, and they've been deemed such by countries like Egypt, uae, Saudi Arabia, et cetera. So, you know, if the Arab world knows what these guys are, then we should be listening here in the west, paying attention. They started in Egypt, and if Egypt is calling them terrorists, then we should. We should listen to them. They know what they're talking about.

[Sean]

So your mother's new husband, was he part of the Muslim brother?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, yeah, my mom was part. Was an Islamist. Absolutely. And so was this guy. Yeah. And she started going to Al Azhar University, getting her degree in Sharia law, her master's degree, became the head of the Islamic Studies department at the Islamic school. And eventually that wasn't even good enough for her. She needed more. You know, it's like, this isn't even Muslim enough. So she forced me into a marriage with an Al Qaeda terrorist when I was 19. And she felt like, this is a man who's strong enough to control you, she said, and I had a daughter with him. And that's when I realized, like, I need to get out of this life because I can't have my daughter growing up the same way I did, or even worse, because her father's a terrorist. And so, through a very long series of convoluted events that I've outlined in my book, I was able to get myself and my daughter out. And then 911 happened, and there was just like this, the craziest thing. There was a BBC reporter that was standing in one of those. One of bin Laden's bunkers, one of his caves in Afghanistan, and he reaches down and he picks up a random piece of paper, and he starts reading it on air. And of course, what's he reading? But the name of. I saw him. That's the man I was married to. His. The name of a company he started in Richmond, bc, Canada.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah. So my life became a circus at that point because they're all trying to figure out, like, what is this Canadian connection to 9 11. And. And I was trying my hardest to separate Myself from that world and get my daughter away from that world. And it just kept chasing after me.

[Sean]

But I could see why they need a movie. There's a lot going on here.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, there's a lot going on. And I had to stay quiet for so many years, you know, because it's. It's dangerous. Al Qaeda, you know, you don't know where they are. Right. But eventually I was able to go to university and get my degrees and become a university professor myself and start my life all over again and eventually left Islam. Took off my hijab first, which was enough for my mom to threaten to kill me.

[Sean]

And then just for taking it off.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Just for taking it off, because she said, well, if you take off your hijab, your next step is going to be that you leave Islam. So I need to make sure that you're killed before you leave Islam, because I won't be the mother of a infidel.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

So she was right. I did leave Islam and didn't raise my daughter in it. And, you know, everything was fine, but we just had to be very quiet because, of course, the punishment for leaving Islam is execution. So I had to.

[Sean]

Just for leaving it.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yep. There's no freedom of religion, no freedom of thought, no freedom of expression, no freedom.

[Sean]

And it's still that way, like, even in modern times.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, it's absolutely still that way. Yeah. There's the. The laws in about 15 Muslim majority countries say that people who renounce the religion are to be executed.

[Sean]

Holy crap. That's part of Sharia law.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

That is in the law. Yeah.

[Sean]

Oh, my.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Absolutely.

[Sean]

No wonder no one leaves.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sean]

They're scared because they have the most numbers when you look at the chart. But this makes sense now, right?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

You got it. It's like Hotel California, right? That's it.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And you get born into it. You're never given the ch. You're just. You're born into it. And this is what you are. And if you try to leave, then you'll be killed. And Yusuf Qaradawi, who was one of the people who was like the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood, he actually says, we have it on camera. He's in Qatar and he says, if we didn't have these apostasy laws that kill people for being Muslim, there wouldn't be any Muslims left today. Like, they know they're holding people hostage. They. They know that their religion isn't one that people willingly want to be a part of, especially women. Right. And they know that they're forcing people to stay in that religion.

[Sean]

That's insane. I've seen online. I don't know if it's true, but social media has brought a lot of this to light and now people are really questioning things.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, I'm really grateful to see that. That's been amazing. You know, it's been really unfortunate circumstances. Obviously, the Rotherham gangs, all the Pakistani rape gangs all across the uk, that has brought a light, a lot of light to this, you know, darkness. October 7th, what happened in Israel, the massacre of so many innocent people, that's also made a lot of people start paying attention. So it's unfortunately, you know, difficult things like that have to happen for people to start to pay attention. And, you know, 911 was a long time ago. People have forgotten over here. And so it's. It's kind of scary to think that, do you need this to be happening here in your own backyards for. For you to be paying attention? I mean, just yesterday, George Clooney was on Drew Barrymore's show talking about his wife was helping the Muslim Brotherhood write out their constitution in Egypt. He just says this so casually. You know, it's so crazy. Like, Egyptians killed themselves to get rid of the Muslim Brotherhood. They were like. There was a. It was. Was. It was so incredibly dangerous. And over here in the west, people are supporting them, while over there in the east, people are doing everything that they can to get away from these terrorists.

[Sean]

That is nuts. Yeah. Before Charlie passed, I know he was real Charlie Kirk. He was really talking about this, right?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, he was. And he was.

[Sean]

He saw this as a threat and he was correct. And now I see it with Mamdani winning, people starting to wake up and talk about it.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

You got it. Exactly. Mamdani winning was a real shock and tragedy, especially after October 7, especially in New York City, where there's such a high percentage of. Of Jewish people. It's. It is pretty shocking. It is pretty scary. This combination of socialism and Islamism is not new. This is a very old, you know, alignment, a very old unholy alliance. They did it in Iran as well. That's how the Islamic regime came to power in Iran was because the. The Islamists were linking hands with all of the progressives, the socialists, the communists, and they worked together and they brought down the Shah. And then as soon as the Islamic.

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[Yasmin Mohammed]

Came into power. What did they do? They either murdered, disappeared, imprisoned, forced out all of the useful idiots that helped them get to power because they're not useful anymore. Right. This is what they do. And that's what you're seeing with Mamdani as well. We're seeing that for so long. People are. People are saying, how is it possible? How is it possible that the left are aligned with Islamists? Like, it doesn't make any sense. And I'm like, historically, this is what they've always done and it's always worked for them. This is the thing. It's new for us, but it's not new for them. They're using the exact same playbook that they have been using in Egypt, that they used in Tunisia, that they used in Algeria, that they used all over the Muslim world, all over the Middle East. And by the time they come to us here in the west, they're practiced, right? They're experienced in it.

[Sean]

Yeah. They did it to the UK too, right?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Exactly.

[Sean]

Europe's getting. Certain countries in Europe are getting infiltrated.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Sweden, Germany, Belgium, France.

[Sean]

Man, I don't even want to go to France anymore.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Stuff I'm seeing. Jesus.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Scary times we're in.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

It's terrifying, man.

[Sean]

And I don't even know what, what I guess people can do. Like what, what, what do you recommend, I guess, for people watching this?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

I recommend that people speak up. I think that's the biggest thing is that they've silenced people. They've scared people into silence, obviously, through all of this terrorism, all through Charlie Hebdo, through bombing the Ariana Grande concert, through, you know, decapitating Samuel Petit. Right. All of these things. This forces people to stay Quiet. They see what happened to Salman Rushdie, they. They get scared.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And then they come up with this. The Islamists have come up with this term Islamophobia, too. And it. It kind of sounds like xenophobia, homophobia. So it's kind of encouraging people on the left to think, oh, this is a good thing. I'm gonna. I'm gonna use it. I'm gonna wield this word to silence people who are speaking up against Islam, because that's gonna make me a good person. And so people are speaking up against child marriage. They're speaking up against, you know, female genital mutilation. They're speaking up against all of these atrocities that need to be spoken up against. And you can sure go ahead and criticize all of these things, but don't you dare criticize these things when they're coming from an Islamic context. That's when it's not allowed. Now it becomes Islamophobia. Criticize it all you want. If you see it happening, you know, in Africa or if you see Christians doing any of these things, sure, criticize them, but don't say a word. If it's from the Middle east or if it's from Muslims.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. So you said you stayed silent for a while. When did you start feeling comfortable to speak out about this?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

So that was about 2014. It was an episode of Real Time with Bill Maher. He had Sam Harris on as a guest, and he also had Ben Affleck on. And what happened there was Sam Harris and Bill Maher were talking about how in Egypt, currently in Egypt, if you leave Islam, you don't get executed like you do in many other countries. You get thrown in insane asylum.

[Sean]

Geez. Yeah, that's almost worse. Like a slow and painful death.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

They think that they're progressive for doing this, and they think that they're secular because they don't kill people. But what happened was they did some Pew research, and they asked people in Egypt, do you think those who leave Islam should be killed? And close to 90% said, yes, they should be killed.

[Sean]

Whoa, that's crazy. In Egypt.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

In Egypt. So that's the discussion that Bill and Sam were having, is they were saying, how are we not talking about the fact that there's no freedom of religion, there's no freedom of expression, there's no freedom in the Muslim world. We're not allowed to talk about it because we get accused of being bigots or racists or whatever. And then, as if on cue, Ben Affleck pipes up, and he's like, you guys are being bigoted, you guys are being racist. And he silenced them. Right. He shut down the conversation. And then the next day, everybody on social media was just applauding Ben Affleck. And they're saying all of their criticisms had nothing to do with the arguments that Bill or Sam had made. All of their criticisms were just the fact that they were white American men. How dare white American men have any kind of opinion. And so that's what compelled me to speak up. Because I was like, here I am, brown skinned Arab woman and I'm gonna say the exact same thing as these guys and it's gonna force people to engage with the argument. Cause they can't just shut me down because of immutable characteristics. And so that's why I felt like, okay, I need to speak up, I need to write my book, I need to tell my story. You know, I'm speaking as an authentic voice from the inside. Woman of color. Yeah, all that stuff.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

So it's like, okay, now are you going to shut me down as well or are you going to listen to what we're trying to say?

[Sean]

Yeah, because it's hard to argue with someone that lived the experience and is describing what happened. Yeah, you're talking with facts.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Exactly. Yeah. And there's so many of us. Right. But we're silenced left and right. And that's why it's so frustrating because like we are trying to tell our stories, we are trying to talk about our experiences. And you're telling us that that's Islamophobic crazy. Like, I don't care about these terms. Right. Like you want to call me Islamophobia, you want to call me, but you call me whatever you want. It's not going to stop me. Right. We're talking about like, look at women in Iran, for example. They stand in the streets burning their hijabs as the IRGC are standing there with guns. Right. And that's the bravery that you see over in the Middle east fighting against these Islamists. And they think that using a word is going to silence us. No, we are up against being decapitated and being imprisoned and being attacked with acid, being killed by our families. So when we finally get free from that and we're ready to speak out against it, don't think that your little words are going to silence us.

[Sean]

Yeah, this is censorship. Still working right now.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Oh, it's absolutely working all the time. Constantly trying to silence us. I don't know if you heard about Nadia Murad. She's a Woman who was a Yazidi sex slave, she tried to write her, or she did write her book and she told her story about being a sex slave for isis.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And in Canada, the. The book tour that she was doing was canceled because they said it's Islamophobic.

[Sean]

What does that even mean? Yeah, so weird. Yeah, so weird. Sex slave from isis. I didn't know they were doing that.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yes. So ISIS were buying and selling non Muslim women. And so she's Yazidi. And so that's like, you know, it's a. It's. It's some sort of pagan religion. It's kind of. Sometimes they're called Yazidi Christian, but it's not really Christian. But because she's a non Muslim, she's considered subhuman. And so she was bought and sold along with tens of thousands of other girls.

[Sean]

Wow. So they actually view non Muslims as subhuman.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yes. So in the Quran it says that when you have a war with non Muslims, you take the women as war booty and it gets. They get passed around the women and girls get passed around the men, just like the gold gets passed around or anything else that they've taken. So, yeah, just a commodity thing.

[Sean]

That is crazy.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Muslim women can't be. Muslim women are not to be treated like that. But non Muslim women, absolutely.

[Sean]

Wow. That's nuts. I can't believe this isn't out there more.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

I'm trying my best.

[Sean]

You're doing well. That's. You're on my radar. So.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You've been on some shows though. You're starting to get out there, right?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, yeah. This is thankfully, you know, hopefully this is going to make a big difference.

[Sean]

I think this will.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

You have a huge audience and hopefully this will now, you know, get out there in the world.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

More people will learn about this.

[Sean]

I like having on all perspectives. I don't know if you knew this about the show, but I had on someone from Al Qaeda.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

You did?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Sponsor/Ad Host]

Former.

[Sean]

Former. His name was Irfan Pecky. I think he said about 20 people went in with him and he was the only one that made it out. Oh, yeah.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Is he from the UK or.

[Sean]

No, I don't think he was.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Okay. I'm not familiar with him.

[Sean]

Yeah, he was a very interesting person, but that's a. He was just exposing what went on and all.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

That's great for him. Yeah, that see people risk their lives to come out here and speak into.

[Sean]

This microphone, you know, and some dirty stuff. He barely spoke eng, but I understood enough and it was very interesting.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Oh, that's. That's really great. Yeah, I'm proud of him. You know, it's. It's tough to do, but this is what we're trying to. You see, we see how amazing the Western world is. We value the Western world more than people are born and raised into it who don't know the darkness, who don't know what it. What it's like to live without having the most basic freedoms. Right. And so when we see them infiltrating the west, you know, going into your governments and your media and your schools, billions of dollars being thrown into funding. Absolutely right. That terrifies us because we're like, come on, you can't. Don't let these guys, you know, win. Don't, don't. Don't let them in even, you know, but it's. Our perspective is different over here. People see it as. Oh, no, they're just beleaguered minorities. Oh, no, it's just, you know, freedom of religion. And they hide under that umbrella of freedom from religion, and then they can do all of their nefarious political aims.

[Sean]

Yeah, religion's been pretty much weaponized, right, at this point.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And there's a lot of decent Muslims that are speaking out against them, too. Right. But like you just said, it's hard. It's this. It's scary. Like when, when they say to you, you know, if you speak out against us, you're going to be killed. That silence is a lot of people. So there's, there's massive amounts of silent majority, which at this point, that kind of cowardice, I have no respect for. Like, I feel like you're, you're, you're useless, you know, if you're not going to speak out against it and you're going to be against it, you know, in private, it's meaningless. Right. Be loud, be brave. You know, now's the time. Like, I feel like we're on a precipice right now, especially with just the ignorance out there in the world. Like, people just being so unaware. Like, for. On such mainstream media, like, for George Clooney to be sitting on Drew Barrymore's show, talking about his wife was supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and nobody freaked out.

[Sean]

Yeah, I didn't see that at all.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, like, they don't even. They don't even realize what's happening. It's like, this is. This is really, really terrifying. And we need more people to be aware of what's going on, because at least if you know what's happening Then you're able to fight it.

[Sean]

Agreed.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

But if you're not paying attention and you don't know what's happening, then they have the upper hand because they can just keep going and you're clueless.

[Sean]

I also think a list celebrities at that level are just out of touch with reality. You know what I mean?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

100.

[Sean]

So him saying that, he probably doesn't even think he's saying anything wrong.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

He just has no idea, genuinely.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

No, I completely agree. They live at a different level and they don't even realize it and they don't even care because it's not. None of that's. Nothing is going to affect them. Right. So.

[Sean]

Yeah, well, hats off to you. You led a big mission and you were early on. It's always tough to be early. I know how that goes. You know, 2014 is very early to start speaking out against this stuff.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, yeah. It took. I couldn't get my book published. It was 2019, October of 2019, I finally self published and since then it's been translated into 17 languages.

[Sean]

Wow. Yeah. Because this is worldwide relatable, right? I mean, over 2 billion people. It's. It's worldwide.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

It is worldwide. And a lot of other countries get it a lot more than we do in America and Canada because it's a bigger problem for them.

[Sean]

Right.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

So like it was published first in Finland and then Germany and in Sweden and all of the countries where this is, you know, a major problem. But I couldn't get it published in English. I had to self publish in English.

[Sean]

Yeah. That's interesting. So is their goal just to take over every country?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Like, that's absolutely the goal. Yeah. Global caliphate. Jeez. Yeah. Yeah. And they're relentless about it. So if they try this door and it doesn't work, they're just going to move on to the next. It doesn't matter. Like they don't care which country it is. So you'll notice whenever there's any kind of conflict anywhere, they go running immediately to fill the void. We just saw it happen in Syria. Right. We saw it happen when they. In Iraq after Saddam Hussein. Like, this is just what they do. So as soon as there's any kind of opportunity, they go running in and try to establish their caliphate and then spread from there. That's how Islam started and that's how it was so successful to take over a quarter of the planet today. And the hope was always to continue it. However, now they can't do it through pillaging the way that they did before. So according to their own mission statements. They're going to do it through what they called civilizational jihad. And so what that means is that they're going to work through using our current laws and our current structures, secularism, basically, freedom of religion and our systems against us, so that they can infiltrate.

[Sean]

Whoa. How exactly does that work so.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Well, they've outlined it for you exactly how they're going to do it. So one of the ways is through the wombs of the Muslim mothers, so through or through immigration. So it's demographics. So if you have a higher number of Muslim people there, then you have a. You're now a voting bloc. Right. So you can control what happens in the area a lot more.

[Sean]

So that's what they did in New York.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

That's what one of the things that they did in New York.

[Sean]

Yeah, and then they're going to go after another city and another city.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

They. They already have been. They're. They've been doing this all across the world. Right. So this was the. This is part of their mission that they publicly, transparently published exactly what their plan is. And unfortunately, so much of their plan is. Is coming into fruition.

[Sean]

So their numbers are still going up, even with all the people speaking out?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yes, their numbers are going up because they're doing a really great job with the propaganda. So even if you look at, like, what happened on October 7th, for example, it. It was just shocking how the day after October 7, you saw Palestinian flags going up everywhere. Like, the bodies of the kids from the Nova Music Festival weren't even cold yet, and people were already supporting the side that did this to these kids. You know, it's like they did such a great job of portraying themselves as the victims, regardless of the scenario. So they are the ones who perpetrated October 7th, but they somehow walked out of that.

[Sean]

Being the victims, they're great at controlling the narrative, especially with the younger people.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

They absolutely.

[Sean]

I mean, you go on Twitter right now, you know how it is. There's just good narratives in their favor, right?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

That's right. And they know how to use social media. They know how to. They know human psychology. They do a lot of visuals, so they'll share a lot of pictures and videos. And a lot of them have nothing to do with Gaza. They'll be from Yemen or they'll be from Syria, or they'll be somewhere else. But they will say that this is from Gaza and it will get people's hearts broken. It will get people enraged. Right. And so they. They know how to play the system, whereas the 45 minutes of absolute brutality that happened on October 7th that they filmed with their GoPro cameras. The Israelis made the decision to not let that video go public because they didn't. They wanted to respect the people who had lost their lives that day and respect the families of the survivors. And so they chose not to put those films out there. But that is exactly the kind of thing that the, that the other side will do. They will share all sorts of videos because they know it's going to get people on our side.

[Sean]

Right.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

So that's more important than.

[Sean]

Yeah, they're more proactive than reactive.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

They absolutely are.

[Sean]

Yeah. Whereas like, Israel will be reacting to everything and everyone knows that reactions don't get as many views. You know, when they see the headline of someone starving, they'll get 100 million views and then two weeks later the story will get debunked and they'll make a little disclaimer.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

You got it. That's exactly what happened when they were going on and on about the hospital that the Israelis bombed, Right. And then it just like came out two days later that they bombed themselves because their weaponry was faulty. And it just, it, it fell before they expected it to. But it, it was too late. Everybody already had in their heads, like, that's it. Israelis bombed a hospital. I think it was Winston Churchill that said, you know, a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets a chance to get their pants on. Right. It's, it's too late by then. You can't unring that bell. They got, they got their propaganda out there.

[Sean]

Yeah, they're, they're, whoever's running that for them. Well done.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You know, you got to give it to them because the polling on the younger generation of who supports Israel versus Palestine is heavily towards Palestine.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

It's also a really easy narrative. Like, it's also a very simple narrative. You know, they have, we, we've already been trained with the, you know, white people, bad brown people, good oppressor versus oppressed. And so they see this scenario and they just fit it into that little simplistic narrative. Right, Right. Even though none of it is the, none of that is relevant in this scenario. You know what, that's not actually what's happening. That's not the history, that's not the reality. But it doesn't matter because that fits nice and easily. They don't realize, like, most of the people in Israel are brown skinned people. They're, their families are from Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Egypt. They were thrown out of these countries. Right. All of the, all the Jews that they know are Ashkenazi Jewish people who have left, who were forced out of Europe. And so they think, oh, okay, this whole scenario of the way it happened in America, of colonizers and then the natives and then this and that, let's just take that whole story and then, you know, co opt it and pretend that that's the story of Israel. It's not the story of Israel at all. That's not the truth. That's not how it happened. But it's easy for people to believe because that's the narrative that they are already familiar with.

[Sean]

Right? Yeah, people. I think people have made up their minds already too. There's no changing it. Even if some new evidence is brought to light, I truly don't think they would change their opinion at this point.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

100% agree.

[Sean]

Because it's just been daily reminders as they're scrolling like this happened, that happened. You know what I mean?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, totally.

[Sean]

That's unfortunately where we're at.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

It is unfortunately where we're at. And you know, this is part of the frustration with my father being from Gaza is the billions of dollars that were spent on building tunnels that are more intricate than the subway systems in New York. Like that's where all their money went. It went towards this bring down Israel mission. Whereas Israelis didn't do that for the past 20 years. They weren't engaged in this propaganda war or in this violence and terrorism. They were engaged in like winning Nobel Prizes and you know, just winning in whether it's medicine or technology or securities or whatever it was. So they put their energy in a different place. Whereas, you know, this is where Islam has been putting their energy forever. It's the only place they're ever going to put their energy. They're very single minded. You know, when I spoke to you about this man that they forced me to marry when he was let out of prison for a short amount of time when Muslim Brotherhood took over Egypt, he ended up going to Malaysia and getting arrested yet again in a terrorism plot.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Like, it doesn't. They, they don't stop, they just keep going. And I, for a long time I've been suspecting that all of this, you know, talk about rehabilitating terrorists, I'm like, this is, it's a waste of time. And I just spoke to a man on my podcast who was on his way to join isis. He was on his way to Syria. And I told him my theory was I don't think that any, you can't rehabilitate these people. They have to want to rehabilitate themselves, but it can't be an external thing. And he's like, I absolutely agree with you. And then he started giving me examples of terrorists who are currently in prison who were speaking to the interviewer and saying like, yeah, if I had a knife right now, I'd slash your throat.

[Sean]

Like, holy crap.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That's crazy. They're so indoctrinated. So he was on his way to join isis and you stopped him?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

He stopped himself. He decided that he wanted to serve the Ummah in a different way. The Ummah being the Muslim community. So he thought he wanted to serve the Ummah in a different way. He wanted to get his engineering degree and then, you know, do something else. He didn't want to give his life up for it. And. But he was still very much involved in being a jihadi. Right. Just in a different way. And then when he went to go do his degree, slowly over time, his mind opened and he started to realize the. The farce of this whole thing, the lie of this whole thing and the duplicitousness of it. And he got himself out, and now he's speaking up against it.

[Sean]

That's cool. It must be like an identity crisis, right?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Like, I'm sure you went through the same thing.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

For you, no doubt.

[Sean]

Your whole life is almost like a lie, right?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yes. I. I always say it feels like the Truman Show. I don't know if you're.

[Sean]

That's a good.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

You know. Yeah. You reach a point where you're just like, what even is real? What am I? What is happening? Like, everything was a lie. Everything you believed was a lie.

[Sean]

That must have messed you up.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah. It takes a long time.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Rebuild.

[Sean]

That's crazy. What. What happened to your ex husband?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

I think that he is still in prison. Maybe he's died in prison by now. I don't really know. I don't have any information.

[Sean]

Oh, so he got arrested for the 911 stuff?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

He got arrested a long time ago. Yeah.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah. The FBI got him in. Was it Bosnia or something? Yeah.

[Sean]

Geez.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

So.

[Sean]

So he was actually connected to 9 11?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yes, he was. He came to Canada with a fake Saudi Arabian passport from Afghanistan. And when he was caught with a fake passport, he went to prison and his bail was paid for by Bin Laden. Bin Laden sent up somebody. Yeah, because he'd been with Bin Laden in. In Afghanistan for like over 10 years before he came to Canada. He was one of his most trusted, you know, his closest little terrorist Friends.

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Holy crap.

[Sean]

So you were with someone very high up.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah. Was involved in the bombings of the American embassies in. In Africa.

[Sean]

Jeez. And you had no idea, right?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

I had no idea. I knew that there was. I knew he was not a normal person, and I was terrified of him. But, yeah, you know, there's. You'll have to read my book to. It's. There's a lot of layers there, but, you know, you're covered head to toe in black. Black gloves, even. I could. My eyes weren't even showing. Like, my face was covered. I'm not allowed to leave the house.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

You don't. You're. I'm.

[Sean]

No Internet in prison.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

No Internet.

[Sean]

So you don't even know what's real.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

There's no. Nothing. Yeah. Completely separated.

[Sean]

The fact that you even came to this conclusion, like, is impressive. How did that.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Well, what happened was my mom started bleeding from her nose and her mouth simultaneously, and it was really scary. And I called 911 and an ambulance came to pick her up, and I got in the ambulance with her with my daughter. And so that was the first time in the whole marriage that I was separated from him and my mom, where I was alone. So I'm in the doctor's or in the hospital waiting room, and these two people walk up to me. A man and woman walk up to me, and they say, we're from csis. And I had. I didn't know what that meant. I thought, is that like a medical term? Turns out it's the Canadian Secret Service, so Canadian CIA, basically. And they took me to a room, and they started telling me who I was married to, and they're showing me pictures of bin Laden and asking me all these questions, and I didn't know anything. And all of this was shocking to me. I wasn't surprised that he was a terrorist, that he was an evil man, but I was surprised, actually, that my mom would marry me off to him.

[Sean]

Yeah. You think she knew?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

She did know.

[Sean]

Oh, she knew for sure.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, she knew.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

I was gonna ask you how she even found him, but if she knew, then that's.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

She knew because she'd been in the. She would. Had been in these circles for a very long time. And I was. At one time, when I was 13 years old, I tried to get her husband arrested because he was sexually and physically abusing me.

[Sean]

Chase.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And later, when I was 18, they tried to force me into marriage with my cousin.

[Sean]

What? So that's true? Because I see that online.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

That's one Hundred, Sean. Yes. Yes. Very, very common.

[Sean]

Oh, my God.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, I was just having dinner yesterday with a friend of mine. Her family's from Palestine. They married her off to her cousin.

[Sean]

First cousin.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yep, yep.

[Sean]

That's.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

She was married to him for like three years before she was able to get away.

[Sean]

Why do they do that?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

There's a, there's a. For some reason, for some countries, the reasoning is money. Like the Gulf countries, they really believe that if we marry within the family, we're not going to lose the family fortune.

[Sean]

Okay. It's like Game of Thrones.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Exactly. Yeah. But really, it's just culturally, they, they, they believe that this is, it's fine. They don't, they don't see a problem with it.

[Sean]

They don't see the genetic consequences. The IQ is way lower. There's health problems. That's not.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Some of them are cluing into that. You know, like, obviously there's some people are educated enough to know to not do that. But, you know, this friend of mine that I was having dinner with yesterday, her grand. Both her grandmothers are sisters.

[Sean]

What?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, both her grandmothers are sisters. And then they were marrying her off to her first cousin. So you can. There is no, like, it's just like the incest over and over and over again. Generationally, is astronomical.

[Sean]

That's crazy. That is not good.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And so because I didn't get married to my cousin and because I tried to get her husband arrested, they saw me as this problem child that they really needed to silence. They really needed to control this girl. And so that's why my mother chose a terrorist. She said, and I quote, we found a man who's strong enough to control you.

[Sean]

Got it? So you were seen as like, the rebellious kid, and they wanted you to be disciplined.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And it worked for a few years. You know, how could it not? Covered head to toe in black, imprisoned in the house, being beaten, being raped. Can't complain. Who am I going to complain to? Allah, the most powerful. The creator of this universe has already sanctioned him to beat me. And me. So who, Who's a higher authority?

[Sean]

Wow.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Right? You just, you just, you, you're completely dehumanized. You have nothing to fight with. And it wasn't until I had my daughter that I realized I, I, I can't, I can't do this. I, for me, it's like you kind of are forced to accept it, but you're not going to accept it for your kid.

[Sean]

Yeah. You don't want her growing up in that environment, right?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Absolutely not.

[Sean]

Would have Just repeated. He would have married her off.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yep. He was talking about taking us to Peshawar and what's up? That it was this area of northern Pakistan near Afghanistan where we. He wanted to go and be a jihadi and I was going to be a jihadi bride and my daughter was going to die in jihad and this was it.

[Sean]

That's nuts. Wow. What a story. I can't wait to watch your film. I'll definitely read the book too. Is it on audible?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

It is on audible, yes.

[Sean]

Okay, cool. I'm an audiobook guy.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah. And I narrate it.

[Sean]

Oh, nice.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Massive respect for that.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Thank you.

[Sean]

I actually. Oh, what, from reading it?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

It is a lot of reading. I heard like 20 hours.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah. It was worth it though.

[Sean]

Yeah. I actually do respect authors that actually read their book, though.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

It does add that extra kind of touch for me.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah, me too.

[Sean]

Feels like they really care.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

I feel the same way. When it's the author reading it, I feel much closer to the.

[Sean]

For sure.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Well, thanks. Thanks for sharing all this. This is unreal, honestly. What's the next step for you after the film?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Who knows? You know, I'm just going to keep on beating the same drum that I've been beating for almost 10 years now. And hopefully, you know, like you said, things are starting to change. People are starting to listen. It's getting bad enough that people, that it's, you know, hitting people's backyards, they're starting to notice. So that gives me hope. I've started an organization called the Clarity Coalitions. I'm co founder and co director. I'm co director with a man named Dr. Zudi Jaster who's running for Congress in Phoenix, Arizona. He's a Muslim, so he's a Muslim and I'm an ex Muslim. Technically. He should want me dead and want me killed, but instead we're working together against Islamists.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

So it's not just me and him, but it's like there's lots of other Muslims. There's Christians, there's Hindus, there's atheists, there's, you know, doesn't matter. Right. Left, in between, everybody who is opposed to Islamists. Journalists, politicians, activists, you know, we're all engaged in this same work, in this common goal of basically what we're trying to do is expose Islamists and what they're doing here in the west and to let people in the west start to pay attention as well, to protect the freedoms that we all really respect, admire and appreciate.

[Sean]

So you're still friends with a Lot of Muslims. And you're part of that community.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

I wouldn't say I'm friends with a lot of Muslims, but I would say that the Muslims that are fighting against Islamists, they. We ally together. Okay, so another person is this woman named Delia Ziada, who is an Egyptian woman. And on her social media, she just spoke up against the propaganda that was saying Hamas never hurt a single innocent woman. And she said, you guys, I saw the video of Shani Luke on the back of a pickup truck, her body mangled. And I know what they've done to women. Like, they're lying to you when they say to you that no innocent women were hurt. It was only combat. It was only soldiers. That's not true. Just like the Hindu women in Pakistan and the Christian women in Nigeria. They were raping Jewish women in Israel. And for that, she was considered an enemy of the state, and she had to fly, flee from Egypt.

[Sean]

Jeez.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

So she's now in D.C. speaking out against all of this. So she's the kind of Muslim that I will ally with.

[Sean]

Okay, so there's a big difference with Muslims and Islamists.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

You got it.

[Sean]

That's good to know.

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And what.

[Sean]

Which group is bigger when it comes to size right now?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

You know, because the. A lot of the Muslims are silent majority. Like I was saying, then they're pretty much irrelevant. It's the Islamists that are much more powerful.

[Sean]

They're more vocal.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

They're much more vocal. They're much more powerful. They have catery money. They have so much political power, and they have so much, you know, petrodollars.

[Sean]

So they get their oil money.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yes.

[Sean]

So that's what's funding everything. All the misinformation campaigns and their.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And Iran. The Islamic regime of Iran as well. Iran is the one that paid. They were the ones who funded for October 7th. They funded Hamas, right?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And so because they have so much power, they really are the ones who are bigger. Even though, you know, per capita, there might be more peaceful Muslims. But we don't hear them. We don't see them. They're not doing anything. So they might as well be irrelevant. They might as well be the much smaller number.

[Sean]

Wow. Wow. So a lot of them are just silent, scared to speak up.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And I know they're scared to speak out because they're afraid for their lives or afraid for their families. I get that. I understand that. You know what I mean? But terrorism works. Terrorism is successful. Terrorism is efficient. It's effective. It silences them. It silences us over Here, you know, how long are we going to just remain cowards in the face of these Islamists? And that's why I always look at Iranian women and I say, look at them as our example. Look at them living. Because for almost 50 years, they have been fighting in the Islamic regime of Iran. First thing that they did as soon as they took power is they said, all women need to wear hijab. And if you don't wear hijab, you're going to prison. Right. Women have been fighting for the past 50 years over not just the hijab, but all of the dehumanizing laws against women in that country. Right?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And there comes a point where the boot on your neck is so heavy that the rage overcomes the fear. And that's what happened to me, and that's what's happened to the women in Iran. You just have to get to the point where you just don't care anymore. I don't care anymore. I'm gonna say what I need to say, you know, And I just need more people to be brave, and I need more people to speak out. More people like the person that you mentioned, the. The Al Qaeda person that was on your podcast. More people like that to come out and tell the truth about what it is, like, what it was like for them, and then that way the rest of us don't have to go through it. Like, why do we have to experience that? Why do we need another 9, 11 over here? Why do we need another October 7th? We don't just listen to the voices, the authentic voices of the people from these areas that are screaming at the top of their lungs trying to warn you. Right. They're. We're literally risking our lives trying to warn you against this danger that is coming for you.

[Sean]

For real. Yeah. Shout out to Irfan, the former Al Qaeda guy. He was saying they would make these guys do the wildest stuff. I'm talking, like, tying bombs to your. Your body and walking in somewhere and giving up your life. And they thought they were doing the right thing.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Crazy, right?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Yeah. And you know what? They choose people. Like, they'll choose the kid in the village that has down syndrome. Right. Or they. They. They prey on the weak. And those are the people that they encourage to join them and then to give their lives for Allah. They know what they're doing. They're not giving their own lives up.

[Sean]

No.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Right. But they'll encourage other people to do it.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

And that's what happened with Assam. The guy that I was married to, you know, he was. He didn't fit in with his peer group. It was 14 years old. Not really fitting in. So these guys found him, and they're like, hey, do you want to be a superhero? Do you want to reach the highest levels of heaven that only the prophets get to reach? You know what I mean? Do you want 72 virgins? Do you want this, that, and the other? All of the things that they promised them in the afterlife. Right? Yeah. So. So he just totally was like, yeah, man, I want that. You want to kill infidels? You want to kill? Yeah, I'll do that. And it gets them riled up, and it makes them think that they're doing the right thing, makes them feel that they're the righteous ones, and so it justifies all of this murder and mayhem.

[Sean]

Yeah. Well, thank you for your bravery. We'll include a link to your book and hopefully your. Your film. I don't know when it comes out, but anything else you want to close off with here?

[Yasmin Mohammed]

No, just to thank you very much for having me on. I really appreciate it.

[Sean]

Of course. Yeah. Comment below what you guys think, and please start speaking out if you. If this relates with you, you know, that's important.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

Exactly.

[Sean]

Awesome.

[Yasmin Mohammed]

So much.

[Sean]

Thank you, guys. See ya.

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