Your Body’s Hidden Repair System... | Stemcellchristian | DSH #2103

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Podcast Summary

Digital Social Hour — Episode: Your Body’s Hidden Repair System... | Stemcellchristian | DSH #2103
Date: August 12, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guests: Dr. Patrick McGeer, Interviewer Christian, Dave Asprey (guest host context)

Overview:

This episode of Digital Social Hour explores the emerging science and practical application of stem cell mobilization for health, repair, and longevity, centering on the work of Dr. Patrick McGeer and his supplement company, StemRegen. The discussion addresses misconceptions around stem cell therapies, the natural decline of stem cells with age, current clinical findings, and the future of regenerative medicine.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Are Stem Cells and Why Do They Matter?

• Dr. McGeer reveals: The natural repair system in the human body depends on stem cells released from bone marrow into the bloodstream.
• Rate of decline:
  • By age 15: ~50% of stem cells gone (00:00, 04:23)
  • By age 30: ~90% loss (00:00, 04:41)
  • As stem cell numbers drop, the body’s ability to repair injuries and regenerate declines correspondingly.

2. Stem Cell Mobilization with Plant-Based Supplements (StemRegen)

• Discovery: Dr. McGeer was hired decades ago to study blue-green algae; found it triggers stem cell release (00:57).
• Product development: Combined five top plants known to stimulate stem cell release into a supplement (01:08).
• Function:
  • Two capsules release about 10 million of your own stem cells (01:35)
  • Consistent supplementation accumulates to billions over months
  • “These are your own [stem cells]. So they go into your tissue, they do actual repair.” (01:36)
• Accessibility: Oral supplement offers a non-invasive option compared to costly and often inaccessible stem cell injections (03:17).

3. Injections vs. Natural Mobilization

• Injection misconceptions: Injected stem cells do not persist in the body; instead, they die and release growth factors that trigger the body’s own repair systems (01:57, 02:37).
• Consensus: “The common denominator is that it still depends on your own ability to repair.” (02:25)
• Optimization: Peak benefit seen when boosting the body’s own stem cell pool alongside or instead of injections (02:38).

4. Regenerative Capacity and Aging

• Repair balance: Health depends on balancing injury/degeneration with the body’s repair (stem cells) (06:51, 07:36).
  • Young people heal rapidly; as stem cells decline, so does repair speed and efficiency.
• Threshold concept: There’s an “inflection point” where insufficient stem cells start leading to impaired recovery (05:42).
  • “There’s a point you cross ... where you now don’t ... have enough stem cells to offset just a normal process of day to day renewal.” (05:42)

5. Complete Repair System Solutions

• New products:
  • "Signal" reduces systemic inflammation, enabling stem cells to better identify injury sites.
  • "Mobilize" improves microcirculation so stem cells can reach tissues in need (08:16–09:26).
• Cycle of repair: Release, guidance, and reception are all key for optimal regenerative benefit (09:26–09:33).
  • “You release your stem cells and then you receive them more effectively in the tissue, so you sort of complete the cycle of repair.” (09:31)

6. Common Misconceptions and Ineffective Methods

• Eating bone marrow, drinking urine: Digestion destroys most stem cells taken orally from external sources; real benefit comes from internal mobilization (14:34–15:19).
• Pharma resistance: The pharmaceutical industry slows stem cell development because it’s curative rather than palliative—seen as disruptive to ongoing business models (16:06–17:46).

7. Measuring & Maximizing Stem Cell Health

• Measurement:
  • Blood tests exist for research; host and guests discuss making tests mainstream and reliable (24:20–25:04).
  • “From a research standpoint, the technology is available for decades.” (24:41)
• Indicators: Clinical improvement, not just cell counts, are best indicators (e.g., range of motion, heart function) (25:09).

8. Clinical Studies and Results

• Heart failure:
  • In chronic heart failure patients, all 10 of the first 10 patients given StemRegen had normalized heart function within 6 months (00:00, 21:25).
• Parkinson’s: Preliminary results show 40–80% recovery in key symptoms (22:17).
• Other conditions: COPD and liver fibrosis trials underway, with notable cases like an 85-year-old regaining mobility and health (22:17–22:19).

9. Longevity and Future Directions

• Red vs. yellow marrow: Red marrow converts to yellow (non-functional in stem cell generation) with age; slowing or reversing this may be longevity’s “holy grail” (12:50–13:48).
  • “If we can do this, I think we've just like, we've changed everything. Longevity.” (13:47)
• Societal implication:
  • Those with higher stem cells are healthier
  • Want to launch studies measuring stem cell counts as a risk factor for aging and disease in the general population (12:50, 25:55).
• AI utilization: Dr. McGeer uses AI for literature review and potential new plant discovery; what took months now takes days (11:05–11:17).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On stem cell decline:

  “By 15, you've lost about 50% of that. By age 30, you've lost about 90% of that. But the number is still significant.” — Dr. Patrick McGeer (00:00, 04:23)

• On the reality of stem cell injections:

  “When you inject stem cells, they don’t survive into your body. They die fairly quickly.” — Dr. Patrick McGeer (01:57)

• On pharmaceutical industry resistance:

  “If you heal yourself and you no longer have diabetes, I'm losing profit as a pharma company. So the model is not to reverse disease. The model is to maintain disease.” — Dr. Patrick McGeer (16:06)

• On supplement impact:

  “You take our product and during the time like the days that you take the product, ... you will have the number of stem cells in circulation that you had, let's say, 10, 15 years ago.” — Dr. Patrick McGeer (06:31)

• On measuring improvement:

  “When we talk about stem cells, it’s hard ... the thing to measure is not so much the number of stem cells ... It’s going to be your repair, like your range of motion, your grip strength ... Or if it’s your diabetes, it’s your glycemia, your HbA1c, whatever it is you look at ... So you look at the factor that documents the efficacy, the efficiency of an organ or a function and you target that.” — Dr. Patrick McGeer (25:09)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Topic/Segment | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Decline of stem cell count with age; stem cell supplement in heart failure patients | | 01:08 | Discovery: Blue-green algae & natural stem cell release | | 01:35 | Dosage, daily routine, and cumulative effect | | 01:57 | Stem cell injections vs. natural mobilization | | 03:17 | Oral supplements vs. injectable therapies | | 04:23 | Youth vs. adult stem cell levels | | 05:42 | “Inflection point” where repair starts lagging | | 09:26 | New products: managing inflammation, enhancing microcirculation, and tissue signaling | | 12:11 | Longevity, variability in stem cell numbers among individuals | | 14:34 | Misconceptions: eating bone marrow, drinking urine, digestion destroys stem cells | | 16:06 | Disruption to standard pharma business model; resistance to curative tech | | 21:25 | Heart failure clinical results — “all 10 at normal heart function after six months” | | 22:17 | Parkinson’s, COPD, liver fibrosis trials; 85-year-old success story | | 24:20 | How to measure stem cells; research and mainstream medicine | | 25:55 | Future directions: making stem cell count a basic risk factor for longevity |

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Takeaways & Action Points

• Stem cell health may be foundational to overall health, repair, and longevity.
• Natural, plant-based supplements (validated in clinical studies) can boost the body’s own stem cell release, offering a non-invasive alternative or adjunct to more costly and logistically difficult injection therapies.
• Research is ongoing: Heart failure, Parkinson’s, COPD, liver disease—early results are promising.
• Maintaining higher stem cell levels may slow aging and improve recovery, but clinical endpoints (like physical performance and disease markers) are the best measures for now.
• Pharma industry inertia and slow regulatory acceptance are hurdles to mainstream adoption.

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For Listeners:

Want to learn more or try these products?
Dr. McGeer’s work and product line (StemRegen, Signal, Mobilize) are referenced, with links suggested in the episode description.

Final thought:

“Stem cells are your repair system... The door is open for pretty much like, so seeing anything and everything. I have seen pretty much everything.”
— Dr. Patrick McGeer (24:14–24:44)

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This summary covers the central arguments, latest research, and bold ideas from the episode, offering both an introduction for newcomers and specific details for those seeking in-depth understanding of the current stem cell landscape.

Transcript

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

By 15, you've lost about 50% of that. By age 30, you've lost about 90% of that. But the number is still significant. Like, you have not yet really started to see it, but now or in a few years, you'll start to realize if you get an injury you're not repairing like you used to, like 15 years ago. So we have started studies on stable chronic congestive heart failure. So these are people with at least two years of heart failure, and wherever they are in their lives, this is where they are. Like, medicine could not do better for them. And then all we do is that we give them our product three times a day. They release their own stem. Stem cells. And so far in that study we published last year, the first 10 patients, and of those first 10 patients, all 10 had normal heart function after six months.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

All right, guys, got Christian here at

[Interviewer - Christian]

Dave Asprey's biohacking conference from Stem Regan title sponsor, right?

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

That's right.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Let's go. What's. What's the company about? And what have you been up to lately?

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

So 25, 30 years ago, I started to study. I was hired to study the health benefits of a plant. You may know about it. Plymouth Lake. Blue green algae.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

And one thing leaning to another, trying to understand how it was working. I discovered that it was working by triggering the release of stem cells from the bone marrow. So this has evolved into studying many, many different plants. So now the product that we have, stem regen release, is the five of the top plants that we have documented act as a stem cell releaser. So you take two capsules, you release about on average, 10 million of your own stem cells. So do this every day. After a month, you've released 300 million of your own stem cells. These are your own. So they go into your tissue, they do actual repair. So, and it accumulates into, like something that can be pretty powerful.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

That's impressive.

[Interviewer - Christian]

I never knew you could take plant supplements to release stem cells.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Yeah, just like you have plants that stimulate your immune system. Well, these are plants that stimulate your. Your repair system. Really? That simple.

[Interviewer - Christian]

So in that case, you don't need to inject it. Or.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

I mean, it's a big debate if you want, but if I, if I put that into the greater context. 20 Some years ago, in the early days of stem cell research, the idea is that if you inject stem cells, they will behave like stem cells, meaning they will go into your organs and tissues and actually repair. But we know today that not. This is not what is happening. When you inject stem cells, they don't survive into your body. They die fairly quickly. But. But that in this process of cellular death, they release tons of growth factors and compounds that actually stimulate your own ability to repair. So the. The common denominator is that it still depends on your own ability to repair.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

So if you coupled the two, if you couple an injection with our product, which releases your own stem cells, this is when we see, even in a study that we're doing right now on heart disease, that's. That's where we get the best benefit. But if you wanted to look. Look at it from a distance, the difference between a daily release of your own stem cells over time. Let's say do two capsules twice a day for six months, then that is now, what, 3, 3 billion of your own stem cells. So suddenly, like, it starts to become of a magnitude that cumulatively, I believe, is superior to injection. But we're doing studies now to actually quantify it and show it.

[Interviewer - Christian]

That'd be impressive because that was always the biggest drawback for me. You know, you got to fly to some country, you got to get injected. It's pretty expensive, you know, but this seems more easily accessible.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Yeah.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Oral form, right?

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Yeah, yeah. Just plant extract. That triggered the release of your own stem cells. I mean, you can do both. Like, I don't want to diminish it. Like, there's. There's a benefit of an injection, if that's what you want to have. But. But understanding that what we know today, I mean, it's. This is clear science.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Right.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Those stem cells do not survive. Their action in the body is that they trigger the repair of your own body. So if you happen to not have enough of your own repair system, which is your own stem cells, then you're one of those who went to Mexico and come back and just say, you know what? It didn't do anything for me. So as you release your own stem cells with our product, then. Then those stem cells have somebody to talk to your body.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Better repair, for sure.

[Interviewer - Christian]

I've heard good things when people are injured and they get them. I tried exosomes last year, like, IV thing. I didn't feel anything. I'm only 29. Yeah. Maybe as I get older. Because I know as you get older, you lose a lot of stem cells, right?

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Correct.

[Interviewer - Christian]

How big is the drop off?

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Immense. Like, actually, even at your age, like, you've already. You're close to. To. You're close to the inflection point. So. So if. If you count the number of stem cells that you have in your blood on the day that you're born. By 15 you've lost about 50% of that.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Wow.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

By age 30 you've lost about 90% of that. Saying but. But the number is still significant. Like you have not yet really started to see it. But now or in a few years you'll start to realize if you get an injury you're not repairing like you used to like 15 years ago.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

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[Interviewer - Christian]

Actually I can already see that.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

There you go. So it's happening. So you were at this inflection point like this threshold right now where you start to not have enough stem cells to handle the excessive things. It's still good for your health but it continues to decline. And there's a point you cross that inflection point where you now don't and it's not far. Like give it another 10 years and. But it has started today. You just don't see it today. And now you don't have enough stem cells to offset just a normal process of day to day renewal and that cum into all kinds of age related problems.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah, yeah, I definitely see it because I, I have the same injury a lot. Like I sprained my ankle. I'm a basketball player and when I was in high school I would play the next day.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

There you go.

[Interviewer - Christian]

No, no issue. But now it takes a week sometimes.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Have you tried their product?

[Interviewer - Christian]

No, not yet.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Then I'll. Do you still have this ankle issue?

[Interviewer - Christian]

I sprained it last week. So yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Then you, you take our product and during the time like the days that you take the product, during the time you take it, you will have the number of stem cells in circulation that you had. Let's say, 10, 15 years ago.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

Wow.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

So you will see the impact on your out.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah. What does that do when you have more stem cells than normal? It helps you heal faster.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Yep.

[Interviewer - Christian]

What else does it do?

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Yep. I mean. I mean, to make it like, to make it super simple. Your health in general and your ability to repair today, if you have a problem today is all a matter of the balance between the degree of the injury and the. And the rate or the. The pace of the degenerative process and how many stem cells you have to offset that problem. So when you're young, you have plenty of stem cells. So you get an injury, you recover super fast. But as that declines over time, you pass that threshold where you are now, where suddenly when there's an injury, you realize it's not. I don't repair like I used to. So. So it's really all a matter of that balance. So as you lose that balance, the problems start to be more significant in your life. You put more stem cells in circulation, you can offset that, right?

[Interviewer - Christian]

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[Host - Dave Asprey]

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[Interviewer - Christian]

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[Host - Dave Asprey]

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[Interviewer - Christian]

Foreign.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Release. So the idea. So originally, if you look at the whole science of stem cells, what matters most is how many do you have in your bloodstream? I'm talking here hundreds of studies in the scientific literature like this is very, very clear. More stem cells in circulation you can repair better. But it happens that you get people just like with stem cell injection. They get an injection and they come back and they say, I haven't seen anything. So one of the main obstacles is just once they are released, they need to. They need to be able to see where in the body there's a need for repair. So what will kind of dumb them down like. Like deafen them is systemic inflammation, because the signal for repair is, like, everywhere in your blood. So we have another product that suppresses systemic inflammation called signal and Your stem cells must reach your fine capillaries, which for a stem cell is not always obvious. So. So we have a product called Mobilize that really reopens all the microcirculation. So stem cells can. Can be delivered to the tissue. So what we launched here at the conference, so it's something that we've worked. We've worked on for. For many years, is how do you now make the tissue that is in need of repair to signal better and better receive those stem cells?

[Interviewer - Christian]

Got it.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

And that is done now with three products, three essentially bioregulated products.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Okay, so it increases the effectiveness, it

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

increases the reception yet. Correct. So you release your stem cells and then you receive them more effectively in the tissue, so you sort of complete the cycle of repair.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Got it. Yeah. Because some people are taking stem cells from other people's bodies. Some people are. I'm sure you've seen this drink in their own urine to get stem cells.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

But I wonder how much of that

[Interviewer - Christian]

is being absorbed into the body. Right?

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

That's the big question. Like, technically, they're not absorbed. If you. If you take stem cells or any of these bioregulators or growth factors orally, they don't survive. So I'm not saying they don't have an effect because they will have an effect or can have an effect in your intestinal flora, your. Your intestinal lining, intestinal permeability, which. Which on its own, just that can have significant impact on your health. So I'm not saying that they're not doing anything, but, yes, they're not significantly absorbed. They're destroyed by. By your digestion.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Are you using any AI with the company yet?

[Host - Dave Asprey]

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[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

We're using a lot of AI on. Well, actually we do so a lot of AI in all the messaging, but I. I am using a lot of AI. Like, I'm working on a book now for my second book for about what 10 years.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Wow.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

But I now decided, like I have to sit down and really write it because that information is novel and nobody else talks about it, which is the fact that the, that decline in the number of stem cells in circulation and stem cell function is actually the fundamental cause of aging and disease formation. We hear inflammation, we hear free radicals, we hear mitochondrial dysfunction. I mean, I'm not saying that they're not relevant. They are very relevant. But above all of them, the fundamental cause of aging is that decline in number of stem cells. So as I'm diving back into the scientific literature now with AI, I mean, I'm doing in a week what I normally would have taken six months of reading the scientific literature. It's amazing. So I'm using it a lot for that and identification of potential new plants that would have an effect on stem cells.

[Interviewer - Christian]

So theoretically, if you could keep your stem cell count really high, are you kind of reverse aging in a way?

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

There is no doubt in my mind that if you take a 70 year old that is healthy, strong, still running marathons, and you compare that to, let's say a 30 year old that is already starting to struggle with, with their health, the main difference is that the 70 year old naturally just happened to have more stem cells in circulation. The range between somebody who has low stem cell and high stem cells in the blood can be 100 fold.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

Wow, that's, it's fast.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

It's a, like take your red blood cells, it's between 8 to 13,000 cells per, per, per microliter, I believe. But in any case, 8 to 13,000. So it's not even 2x with stem cells you can have a hundredfold difference.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

So you look at society and we need to do this work. And that's, I, I'm, I want to get, do fundraising and start these big projects because I think it's going to reveal a phenomenon in medicine that right now is unseen. And yet it is probably the most relevant in medicine, which is the fact that how many stem cells you have determines your health in society. Those who have fewer stem cells are those who develop all the health problems. So if you simply allow them to release their own stem cells, they then you can live longer. Now the big question you just asked, how can you maintain more stem cells as you age from a longevity perspective? Right now, our product is it. So you just release every day more stem cells. But how can we make the bone marrow on its own to start to get stronger? Like when it converts from red marrow to yellow marrow as we age, how can we slow that down or even reconvert your bone marrow into red marrow? If you, if we can do this, I think we've just like, we've changed everything. Longevity.

[Interviewer - Christian]

So the marrow is very important.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

It's crucial. And, and like it's only. Most of the data that we get on the bone marrow comes from leukemia research. There's, there's virtually like nothing that is being done to study the bone marrow as a vital organ of the body.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Essentially producing your repair system.

[Interviewer - Christian]

So it's an organ.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

I mean, you can consider it as an organ in the sense that, I mean, it's, it's split, it's a little bit like nervous system. No. Endocrine system, where you have your, your thyroid, you have your, your, your, your pancreas. You have different organs releasing endocrine hormones. Here you have the same thing. You just have various bones that all together contain your bone marrow. As an adult, it's your pelvis, it's your sternum, your rib cage, your skull. Pretty much, yeah.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

And is that where a lot of

[Interviewer - Christian]

the stem cells are, the bone marrow?

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

This is where they are.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Okay, so if you eat some bone marrow from a cow, I mean, you've,

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

you've killed them because you've cooked that bone.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Okay. You got to eat it raw.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

You, you. Even if you eat it raw, I mean, again, it's the same thing as drinking urine if you want.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Your digest system will, will destroy a lot of them. But that being said, I mean, until it's really looked at, who knows? Maybe, maybe I love it. But, but, but let me put a caveat there. What I'm telling you here is like fundamental traditional science with all the development with peptide research. There could very well be a peptide there in the bone marrow that has an effect on the bone marrow that survived a digestive system. So there could very well be a significant physiological signaling by eating bone marrow.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

Right.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Actually, I would not doubt it. I would not doubt it.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Tastes so good.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

Yeah.

[Interviewer - Christian]

So much research into peptides, but do you feel like with stem cells, we're behind?

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[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

We are behind for, for one very simple reason, which is kind of hard to swallow, but, but I've been in it now for like 25 years and to me it's, it's absolutely clear. It is so powerfully disruptive to medicine because it, it, the big change that it does in medicine is that today medicine is palliative. You have diabetes, I sell you insulin every day of your life for the rest of your life. That's it. It's, it's a business model. If you, if you heal yourself and you no longer have diabetes, I'm losing profit as a pharma company. So the model is not to reverse disease. The model is to maintain disease. I know it sounds crazy, but, but I have seen enough.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

This is how the pharma pharmaceutical model is working. And in the middle of all of this, there's a curative technology that comes. Stem cells cure. And because of that, in the very early, early days of stem cell research, pharma reacted to create a lot of cloud around the whole, the whole world of.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah, they banned it. Right. So sorry, they banned peptide. I mean, stem cells. I mean.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Yes, but what I mean is that the, the, the, the, the resistance that was, that was put forth by pharma led to ban regulation. Misinformation. People thinking they don't really work. They may work, but in 30 years from now, they're dangerous for you. They can lead to cancer. None of this is actually true. It's probably of everything that you would go to a hospital and get a treatment for. Stem cell injection is probably among your safest.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Wow.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

And probably among your most effective.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

But because it's blocked, a lot of people do this like in the dark. They don't really share information. So we're in this world where the, the most effective treatment is actually not out in the open, openly studied, sharing information. So we can say, let's develop this new medicine because it can really change the world.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

So because of this lack of sharing, you we still don't know what is really what would be the most effective.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Wow.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

So, so you still have today people like you, did you go and get an injection? You come back and you say, well, I didn't feel anything. Stem cells work. They, they do the work. So the Question is, the terrain was not ready to, to, to really do something with that signaling. So the question is, how can we prepare the body in the best way possible to really get the full impact of that regenerative treatment? For sure, when, when we're, there is no question it will have changed medicine.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah, that'd be exciting. Yeah. I got exosomes, which are different, right, than stem cells.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Yes and no, because they're different. So historically they're completely different. A stem cell will go in your body, will repair and will regenerate organs and tissues. We know today that actually none of the stem cells that are injected survive. They die fairly quickly. When they die, they release all these exosomes and secretomes that boost your own repair system. So at the end of the day, a stem cell injection can be seen as a time release, delayed release exosome.

[Interviewer - Christian]

That makes sense.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Instead of getting them on one day, they slowly are secreted in your own body within the period of, let's say, three, four weeks.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer - Christian]

I'm still very open minded even though it didn't work because I've heard so many stories, like life transformational stories. Rob Gronkowski, he was, he couldn't move. Like he had so many football injuries and now he's like a new man.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

And, and, and for example, that, that was seen like in the heart, for example. It was studied. You inject stem cells, exosomes, you boost the repair power of the heart. Without a heart injury, you see zero impact on the heart really. But if you create a heart injury now, you see the repair process. So, so what you're talking about, if somebody has an actual injury, then the treatment gives you much better outcome. There's a physiology that is taking place in the body between stem cells, exosomes, secretomes and, and what an injury does in terms of signaling that really makes that treatment much, much more powerful. Which means then if you don't have a big injury, but you want to improve an area of your body, stress it before the injury. If you say, well, I have a little bit of a pain in my knee, but it's not that big of a deal, well go and work out on that knee a lot on one day you're not enduring it, but you're really like flaring up that little thing that you have and then you get that treatment now you will get probably.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah, I never would have thought of that.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

And you add our product because, because the impact of that treatment will matter more if you have more of your own repair system in the picture.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah. I always knew they helped with muscle recovery. I never knew they helped with organs. So you're saying the heart now can be.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

We have an ongoing study. We have a few ongoing studies right now. So we've, we've demonstrated in double blind, placebo controlled crossover studies that the ingredients in our product really act as stem cell mobilizer. You count the number of stem cells before and in two, three years, two, three hours after taking the product. And we can count, let's say, 10 million more stem cells in circulation.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Wow.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

But the big question is, what does that mean for health? So, and you can only study this if you study something that is broken to see how it will repair. So we have started studies on stable chronic congestive heart failure. So these are people with at least two years of heart failure, and wherever they are in their lives, this is where they are. Like, medicine could not do better for them. And then all we do is that we give them our product three times a day, they release their own stem cells. And so far in that study we published last year, the first 10 patients, and of those first 10 patients, all 10 at normal heart function after six months.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Wow.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

So the repair can be very significant. So now we're about like 50 patients in that study. We'll, we'll build it to about 100.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

We've started one on Parkinson. So on about 10 patients, Parkinson, between 40 and 80% recovery on the different parameters associated with Parkinson's. Sleep disturbance, tremor, balance, anxiety, depression, and so on. So, and we're starting one on COPD and, and liver, liver fibrosis. So we're choosing conditions for which medicine normally cannot do anything. You have copd, you get on oxygen. That's it. You just get on more oxygen until you die. And now we have cases where we see people dropping oxygen. Like this man that we just finished his case recently and now he's walking five kilometers a day. He's 85 right now. No, no oxygen, no. No remedy, no nothing. He's just a very normal, actually a Very healthy 85.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Oh, he's 85.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

He's 85.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Holy crap.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

a time when you would say on, on the Internet, you go on YouTube and you look at all the people who talk about stem cell, they'll tell you at 85, your stem cells are worthless. And our hard study people are 60, 75. That fellow is, was 84 when he started taking a product. And he's, he's pretty much normal today.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

Yeah. Because I know at that age, if

[Interviewer - Christian]

you fall and you damage your hip. A lot of people pass away after, right?

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Correct.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Because they don't have the recovery.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

You don't have the recovery, but you can boost that recovery. So. So really what our product does, like, it's. It looks almost like too good to be true, but the point is that it's super simple. It does only one single thing. It makes your stem cells detach from the bone marrow and go into the bloodstream. When they are in the bloodstream, they can participate in tissue repair. It's that simple.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah. This has so many use cases. I'm like, super impressed. Like, all ages, all types of people can take this.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

And while you're younger, like, like at your age, it's like, yeah. What are the life circumstances? That would say, I really need to boost my repair system. So you will see very well either when you have an injury or if you are like an athlete or.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

You're pushing yourself and you start to realize, even past 55, you don't recover as well as when you were 15. Then just get on the product and just take two capsules right after your physical activity, take another two before you go to bed, and you will see your recovery. The day after will be significantly different.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Really. So it could help with sleep, too.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

It helps some people sleep.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Nice.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

I'm definitely going to try just thinking of something where any dysregulation in your body caused by some form of dysfunction in a cell, a stem cell, can go in that organ and become a fresh, healthy cell of that tissue. So the door is open for pretty much like, so seeing anything and everything. I have seen pretty much everything. The question is, is it going to do it for you? Because everybody is different. Everybody has a different terrain. There are multiple reasons for a problem, so sometimes you have to dig a little bit deeper to find other cause. But fundamentally, stem cells are your repair system.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Yeah. How do you measure your stem cell count?

[Host - Dave Asprey]

Is that in a blood test?

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

Usually it's a blood test. I mean, it's not available. I'm working right now to really bring this technology to like LabQuest and, and all these different labs. So anybody can go and count how many stem cells they have. There's some work to be done to validate the test and make it. Make it, like, feasible for that kind of application. But from a research standpoint, the technology is available for decades.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Wow.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

So it's a flow cytometer and you basically passed a sample of your blood in the machine. All the cells line up one behind the other. It goes in front of A laser. I'm simplifying it here. But as the laser is shown on, on these cells, there's a photosensitive plate behind that is going to identify what kind of cell that is that just passed in front of that laser. And it will in this way count which one are stem cells. And that's how it's done.

[Interviewer - Christian]

That's it. Okay. Yeah. Because I like measuring my before and afters when I do stuff, you know,

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

but, but, but when we talk about stem cells, it's hard. I mean, you count a super small population of cells that can be like 0.5% of your lymphocytes. So statistically the thing to measure is not so much the number of stem cells after taking the product or after an event. It's going to be your repair, like your range of motion, your grip strength after, after, like intense exertion. Or if it's your diabetes, it's your glycemia, your HbA1c, whatever it is you look at. Like on the hard study, we look at ejection fraction, how much blood is pumped out of the of the heart with each heartbeat. So you look at the factor that documents the efficacy, the efficiency of an organ or a function and you. And you target that.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Cool. Well, what's next for you? We'll link in the video, we'll link the website if people want to continuing

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

the research here on, on. So we're documenting the heart. Parkinson, we want to add lung, we want to heart to add liver function. So this is a big thing right now completing in this research and more fundamental research not right now linked to a product, but more fundamental research counting the number of stem cells in population so that it can really become understood for what it is, which is a risk factor for longevity, probably the most relevant risk factor for longevity. And then is there something that we can do to help the bone marrow slow down or reconvert? Because if we do find this, it's going to be the biggest thing in longevity.

[Interviewer - Christian]

Let's live to 150.

[Dr. Patrick McGeer]

There you go. All right, that will be the young ones.

[Interviewer - Christian]

All right, guys, check out the link below if you're interested in learning more. See you next time.

[Host - Dave Asprey]

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