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This is exactly right. Double Elvis. And Doug. There's nowhere I wouldn't go to help someone customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual. Even if it means sitting front row at a comedy show. Hey, everyone, check out this guy and his bird. What is this, your first date? Oh, no. We help people customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual together. We're married. Me to a human, him to a bird. Yeah, the bird looks out of your league. Anyways, get a quote@libertymutual.com or with your local agent. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Hey, discos. Need a little more Disgrace Land in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show. The party. After the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission, to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode was a mysterious count responsible for the deaths of Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin. Who's Kerdoo? And the Mary Tyler Moore Show. What? New song recommendations and more old song Italian disco. Don't blame me. Plus your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lotta Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told. The kind you'll end up telling someone else. Alright, Discos, let's get into it. All right, Discos, listen, my hair is on fire. This morning as I'm putting together this afterparty bonus episode for you. I woke up thinking about Taylor Hawkins and the fact that we still don't have an official cause of death for the iconic drummer, as discussed in our recent episode on the Foo Fighters. And so I made myself an espresso. I popped on my noise canceling headphones, crawled back into bed with my laptop though, and I googled famous rock stars with unknown causes of death. And surprise, there are literally none. Zilch, nada, zero. But I don't want to beat a dead horse. I want to beat an entirely different horse. Actually, horse as in H, as in heroin. So somehow that Google search that led me into this Jim Morrison wormhole, now I know. Well, trodden territory over here for us at Disgrace in a new Horse on a beaten path, so to speak. But really what I found is fascinating. I think I knew. I think I knew this. I think I knew that there was never an autopsy for Jim Morrison. And I pretty sure I knew that it was closed casket and that the burial happened super quick after Jim died, and that his family had little to do with the final arrangements. And none of these facts are all that revelatory or shocking on their own. And they're all used as fodder for the conspiracy theorists who claim that Jim Morrison faked his own death, that the heroin overdose never happened, and that Jim, you know, pretended to off himself so that he could. Or pretended to die, I should say that, so that he could live in peace outside of the glare of fame and retire and live the quiet life of a poet in the French countryside or whatever and no longer have to live the loud, drunk, drug addicted rock star life that he was living. But here's the thing. I didn't really realize until now, or maybe I did and I just forgot, or I just let this fact exist in plain sight and I ignored it. Or maybe I just bought the line that had been fed to me, to all of us anyways, until now, that Jim Morrison died from a heroin overdose. Because here's the thing, Jim Morrison didn't use heroin, or at least many of his friends recounted over the years about how Jim hated the drug and that he actively spoke out against using heroin in the company of his friends. And that he hated the fact that his girlfriend, Pamela Corson, AKA Pamela Morrison, she wasn't really his wife, common law wife, somehow sometimes went by Pamela Corson, sometimes by Pamela Morrison. I'll probably, probably refer to her as both in the course of this episode. Anyhow, he hated that his girlfriend Pam actively used heroin and that this was a subject, her heroin use was a subject. Common. A common subject of disagreement between the two, between the couple. This is pretty interesting. So Jim Morrison supposedly dies of a heroin overdose, but he didn't use heroin. Obviously this doesn't prove anything. Doesn't prove that Jim Morrison, I guess, didn't die from heroin, that he didn't take heroin, that he didn't die in a Paris bathtub. Jim Morrison could of course just tried heroin and died. Of course his official cause of death, heart failure. The sort of understood to be cause of death for Jim Morrison, heroin overdose. But for a guy who didn't use heroin. Anyhow, following this line of thinking, following this little bit of research I was doing this morning, if you were to do this, it would Inevitably bring you to a fascinating character from the late 1960s and early 70s. Jet set. A friend not of Jim Morrison's but of his girlfriend Pam's, and also a friend of Graham Parsons and a friend of Janis Joplin and of Keith Richards and Marianne Faithfull and Ms. Mercy from the GTOs and a whole lot of other famous rock stars who regularly used heroin. This guy was their buddy, their pal, their friend. And some of these folks died from heroin. That friend was a French aristocrat, an actual Count, a handsome jet setting playboy in his early 20s named. Damn it, Matt. I lost your text messages. Okay, this guy's name, I texted Matt this morning at like 7:30 in the morning. Because Matt, Matt's French or at least understands French better than I do. To get a correct pronunciation, I'm going to butcher it here. And then Matt, you can, you can correct me. I'm only going to say his name once or twice here. Count Jean de Bretel. Bretel. Okay, The Count. All right, listen, I've read about the Count before. I nearly forgot about the Count though. Okay? The Count came up in research for our Jim Morrison season of the 27 club that we, that we produced a couple years back. And I made a mental note to do more research on the Count eventually, which I never did until now, by accident. Now, the Count, the Count here is shadowy. The Count is glamorous. The Count is like Jim and Janice and Jim's girlfriend Pam, dead. The Count was also Jim's girlfriend's boyfriend. And the Count was the supplier of high grade heroin to the stars in the 60s and the 70s. And the Count may have not only inadvertently killed Jim Morrison, but also Janis Joplin as well. So check this out. The Count was a good looking rich aristocrat in his early 20s. His family had a literal fortune. His father's businesses were located in Africa. So the young Count had diplomatic connections in Morocco. Morocco in the 1960s was a hotbed of drug trafficking. Specifically the trafficking of hashish and heroin. Two drugs that many, many rock stars were hyper fixated on in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Now, not only was the Count tied into diplomats and drug traffickers Morocco, he was also, as part of the jet set, tied into many individuals from the Paris, again, he was French, and London, again, he was account high societies. Now, in 1967, the Count enrolled at UCLA, all right, in California, in Los Angeles, okay? But UCLA did not have access to good drugs at the time. So the Count fixed that. He started moving pounds of hashish through the Moroccan consulate into Los Angeles to his campus apartment. Now, the hash, and apparently the Count's good looks and money attracted young women. One of them was a girl named Pamela Corson. A woman named Pamela Corson, and the two began seeing each other. And even though Pam was seeing the new singer for the Doors, one of the hottest bands at the time, his name being, of course, Jim Morrison. Now, Jim hated the Count, and Jim, he hated the Count's heroin. But Pam, she dug the Count, and, you know, to be honest, she liked his heroine, too. Jim got drunk and and yelled. Pam got high and took off with the Count Americash into Europe to hang out with Brian Jones and Jimi Hendrix. Pam and the Count would eventually end up back in Los Angeles, and Pam would end up back with Jim. But the Count kept slinging his heroin the whole time. And in the fall of 1970, the count had a particularly strong batch of heroin. He hooked up his friend Janis Joplin. He also hooked up a musician named Mercy Fontenot. I'm probably pronouncing that incorrectly. She goes by Ms. Mercy. She was from the GTOs. Yes. Frank Zappa's GTOs. Okay? Ms. Merc Percy felt herself slipping into a drug coma when she used the Count's heroin. And somehow she pulled herself out of it and survived this bad batch. Now, this survival of the Count's bad batch of heroin happened on the exact same day that Janis Joplin did not survive the Count's bad batch. Okay? On that day, October 4, 1970, the Count hooked up Janis Joplin with heroin just like he did Ms. Mercy from the GTOS. Ms. Mercy survived. Janis Joplin died on October 4, 1970. Ms. Mercy lived, and she gave the rest of her batch of heroin to her friend Graham Parsons. Somehow, Graham survived, too, until he didn't and overdosed and died later in 1973. But back to that weekend in 1970, the weekend that Janis Joplin died. Over that weekend, nine other people who weren't rock stars also died in the Los Angeles area from heroin overdoses. Jimi Hendrix had already died that year. Now Janis Joplin was gone, and Jim Morrison was aware of all of it, okay? He was nursing his beer at Barney's Beanery in Hollywood, and he told his friends that they were drinking with number three. Jim Morrison didn't know it, but his joke was dead on. Jim had one more album to deliver to the record label. That album was LA Woman. Once that album was done, Jim split to Paris to meet Pam, who was already there, hanging out with you guessed it, the Count. Pam was in bad shape. She and the Count were consumed with heroin. They were sunk deep into the Paris underground with a whole assortment of low life, high class junkies and deadbeats. Paris was drowning in that French Connection, intensely pure heroin. The same heroine William Friedkin would put at the center of his incredible film, the French Connection. This was the heroine that the Count was dealing. And now the Count was counting Rolling Stones as his customers, namely Grant Parsons buddy Keith Richards. Those two were also in France at the time, at Nelcott. While Keith was hiding out from British tax collectors and making the Stones heroin induced masterpiece, Exile on Main Street. Through his connections with the Rolling Stones, the Count started seeing Marianne Faithful. And the two wound up in Paris in July 1971, where the count went to work slinging that French Connection heroin again in France at the time, in 1971. You've got the Count, Marianne Faithfull, Pamela Courson, Jim Morrison, Keith Richards, Graham Parsons and the French Connection. Now, on the night of July 3, Marianne Faithful says that she was with the Count in bed. And they got a call in the middle of the night from Pamela Courson, again, Jim Morrison's girlfriend, who at that moment was freaked out. Pamela absolutely needed to see the Count. Okay? Now, Marianne Faithful, she was stoked at this. She was psyched because she wanted to meet the singer of the Doors. But the Count said that that wasn't going to happen and he split to go rescue Pam. And he left Marianne behind because Jim Morrison was dead from heroin. The Count's heroin, according to Marianne Faithful, anyways, from heroin. That was most definitely, yes, the Counts. But here's the thing. Jim Morrison didn't use heroin, right? Right. But he did use cocaine. And the French Connection heroin was also called cotton candy because of its light color. A lot of heroin, depending on how it's cut, how it's processed, is brown. The French Connection stuff was like a pinkish white. Jim Morrison, according to those in the know, mistook his girlfriend's heroin for cocaine and snorted too much of the incredibly pure drug and died. Jim Morrison's girlfriend, who was also the girlfriend of the most infamous heroin dealer in the music industry, who himself, the Count died less than a year later of an overdose. Maybe some suspect the Count did himself in over his guilt. Others suspect murder, we don't know. I'm looking to find out sooner or later though. I'm telling you right now. Anyways, back to our story. Pamela Morrison, she overdosed and died a couple years later, a couple years after the Count. And nearly everyone connected to this dude. Everyone. Nearly everyone connected to the fucking Count, guy. Pamela Morrison, Janis Joplin, some say Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Graham Parsons. Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead. Marianne Faithful. She survived. And she flat out accused her ex, the Count, of killing Jim Morrison. The details around Jim Morrison's cause of death are hazy, just like they are for Taylor Hawkins's death. Completely different context, of course, but still, you can see some sort of rock and roll historical parallel here. We don't know. We don't know how Taylor died, and we. I don't think we know how Jim died, really. Officially, he died of heart failure. Unofficially of a heroin overdose. But again, there was no autopsy. Did I say that earlier? I probably should have. There was no autopsy, and there was no history of Jim using heroin. There was, in fact, a history of Jim hating heroin. The story, this story, not just the story of Jim Morrison's death, but the story of the Count. It is fascinating, and it is coming in a full episode of the Disgraceland podcast soon, probably in a Doors episode. I did one satirical episode on Jim Morrison. I'm going to do a Doors episode, and this is going to be my angle, and this is going to be most of the story, to be perfectly honest, because this is just the surface. And most of what I just told you, I researched this morning. By researched, I mean I read one People magazine article. Incredibly, this is all. Everything I just gave you is from a People magazine article. Pretty much. Not. Not everything, but. But a good portion of it. There's. But there's a ton more out there, and there's a lot more research I'm going to do, and I'm gonna put together an incredible story for you guys in a full episode of Disgrace. Sam, That'll be coming in a couple months. I guess it'll be a Doors episode. All right. But before that, we're gonna dive a little bit deeper into the Count and more specifically, into the shady details behind Jim Morrison's death and the claims that he wasn't a heroin user. In today's exclusive episode of the after party, go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become a Disgraceland All Access member and unlock exclusive and ad free content just like this on a weekly basis. All right, this week in the feed, as we've been discussing our new episode on the Foo Fighters. Now coming up right after this bonus episode here, right after this in the rewind slot on Sunday, our episode on Bjork and the deranged psychopath who wanted her dead, who attempted to murder the Icelandic princess, who set off an international scramble by the FBI in New Scotland Yard to save Bjork's life. You don't want to miss this episode. And then next week, on Tuesday, Tuesday, May 5th, we're releasing a new episode on Ian Watkins from Lost Profits. And when you're listening to that episode, be thinking about what story from music history has upset you the most, because this might be it. This might be the most upsetting story from any rock star we've covered. This Ian Watkins story is so damn upsetting, not only because of the horrendous crimes that this Lost Profit singer committed, but also because some of these crimes could have been. Could have been prevented. So how upset were you when you learned about the Ian Watkins crimes? But you know, it can be anything. What's the most angered you've ever been, most angry you've ever been from news that you heard from Music History? 617-906-6638 voicemail and text, let me know DisgraceLandPod on the socials DisgraceLandPodgmail.com all right, guys, I want to talk to y'. All. I want to hear your thoughts on Taylor Hawkins in the Foo Fighters and everything else that we got going on in Disgraceland. Unlikely cover songs, more music, memoirs, whatever. New songs, old songs. We're digging into all of it and more with your voicemails, text, emails, DMs, and more coming up right after this. And Doug, there's nowhere I wouldn't go to help someone customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual, even if it means sitting front row at a comedy show. Hey, everyone, check out this guy and his bird. What is this, your first date? Oh, no. We help people customize and save on car inside insurance with Liberty Mutual. Together. We're married. Me to a human, him to a bird. Yeah, the bird looks out of your league. Anyways, get a quote@libertymutual.com or with your local agent. Liberty, Liberty, Liberty. Liberty May is mental health awareness month. And your 20s, they can feel like a lot on the psychology of your 20s podcast, we unpack the anxiety, the overthinking, the heartbreak, the identity crisis, all of it that comes with being in your 20s. Because if you've ever thought, is anybody else feeling this way? They definitely are.
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twenties that I like was just so wanting to be out of that phase out of myself skin and I just like really regret not living in the present more. Each week we break down the science behind what you're going through and give you real tools to navigate it. Your 20s aren't about having it all figured out. They're about understanding yourself just a little bit better. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. High interest debt is one of the toughest opponents you'll face unless you power up with a Sofi personal loan. A Sofi personal loan could repackage your bad debt. One low fixed rate monthly payment. It's even got super speed since you could get the funds as soon as the same day you sign. Visit sofi.compower to learn more. That's s o-f I.com P-O-W-E-R loans originated by Sofi bank and a member FDIC. Terms and conditions apply. NMLS 696891. All right, me and Debbie Harry we have established escaped Ted Bundy's Volkswagen and we are in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall hanging on the telephone. 617-906-6638. Beth in the 646 Tell us about one of the Taylor Swift creeps that you got living in your hometown.
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Hey, this is Beth from the662 originally from the646 calling about a few things. One, the scandalous DJ from your Taylor Swift episode lives in Mississippi and works in the supermarket after having a failed being a morning DJ show of conservative talk morning show. He's got a baby now and is just living a very quiet life. Also on the New York nightlife scene back in the 90s, Bear Jones used to be this club promoter and you would call his everybody got a card and you would call the number which was a voicemail or an answering machine and they would let you know where the party was that night. And he went on. Bear Jones. I think he died in 2000, but he went on, I think to be a gossip columnist for the Daily News and was on the circuit, the media circuit, in the nightlife circuit through at least 2006 and more stuff on In Excess. I just can't get enough of it. And thanks for all the good work you guys do and stay punk. Love it. Bye.
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All right, Beth, thank you very much. Love, love the Taylor Swift recon there. Thank you. And in excess. As for in excess, we got a two parter on in excess. Two parts in the archive. Parts one and two. Bear Jones. That phone. That phone thing you just shared. I didn't know about this at all. And I was hanging out in New York in the 90s. Assuming 90s is when you're talking about. I don't know if you said that or not, but this reminds me of this whole black keys thing they got going on now. The record hangs, and I'm not sure how people are getting invited to that, but this sounds like a good way to do it. Anyways, I would like to get invited to one of these, so let me know if anyone has some black keys hookups. Let me know. All right, let's check out D in Dallas.
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Hey, Jake, it's Dee from Dallas again. And I just heard you a little blurb at the closing of your most recent podcast that I listened to on Disgrace Land, and you questioned whether or not Billy Corgan had actually, actually seen a shapeshifter. I 100% agree, and I have a theory on exactly who it is. I believe that he actually saw a shapeshifter, and it's somebody that we all know. My guess is that it's Maynard. Last name not required. You know who I'm talking about. And right now you're thinking to yourself, you know, what if there are aliens? Maynard probably is one of them, along with Trent. Trent's probably also an alien too. They though neither one of them age. I don't understand. Except that, like, they're not from this world. None of tools music makes sense. You could show someone on paper and like, hey, this is. It was like, no, that. That does not work. But you know why? Because he's an alien.
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D Shape shifting into Maynard from Tool.
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That's what you're saying. And Trent Reznor as well. I don't know. I don't know about that. I need more of this. Maynard from Tool. Trent Reznor, Alien Theory. D Hit us back. All right, let's check out. Let's see. JC in the 651.
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Hey, Jake. JC in the 6 5, 1. Minneapolis St. Paul. Lucky. Long time disco was lucky enough to find you guys in January of 2019. I tell everybody I know about your shows. You asked about a strange or peculiar or unlikely cover song. I'm gonna nominate who's Kerdu doing? Love is all around the theme of the Mary Tyler Moore Show. They even did it on the Today show. Oh, there's film. You can go find it. Hey, lastly, I'm been a big fan a lot of your shows. You turned me on. We've done some discussion about Manson and chaos and all that. I think you should package up all your Manson episodes that we do with Beatles, Stones, etc. I think that'd work out great, man. Hey, thanks for everything.
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Who's Kerdo? And Mary Tyler Moore. I didn't know this. I did not know this is Mary Tyler Moore set in Minneapolis. That would make sense. That would make sense. I like your idea about packaging all of our Manson episodes together. For those who don't know, we had this long history with the Helter Skelter story here in Disgrace sand to all the new listeners. Started way back in, I don't know, season two or three or something like that. Maybe four when we did the Beach Boys episodes, which is the traditional Helter Skelter story that you may or that you may have probably heard. It's one of the biggest true crime books of all time. And the connection to the Beach Boys. Dennis Wilson gave us our in later a couple years after. After that I realized that Helter Skelter had it all wrong and therefore I had it all wrong. We released a couple other episodes that are updates. We did a Charles Manson episode based on the music that he made and his life and how it related to the killings. And we did a two parter on Mama Cass Elliot because she was intimately involved with the players who get swept up in and around the Helter Skelter story. And what I believe is the truth that disrupts the Helter Skelter story. So anyways, there's about what, four or five. And then if you count the Sharon Tate Hollywood Land episodes we've done, there's probably about seven Manson related episodes that we've done. And I like JC and the 6,5 one's suggestion about packaging them all together. Maybe we'll do that. I don't know. Maybe make a nice little animated book or something. I don't know. All right, let's go to the 503.
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I don't know what you just said, but all of a sudden I feel nostalgia for Micro Machines. Just kidding. I got all the legal stuff. This is actually in reference to my very first listen of Hollywood Land. Longtime Disgrace Land listener. This is my first Hollywood Land listen with Sigourney Weaver and then the after show. And I just. My heart fluttered when Bob from Twin Peaks was mentioned because he is just the absolute. My hands are shaking right now. He is so scary and that scene where he's crawling over the back of the couch. There's nothing scarier. There's no blood gore. Tense scenes in movies that are like suspense anything. Nothing is as terrifying as that moment when he's creeping over that fucking coat. Anyway, I just was really happy to hear somebody else was traumatized by Bob as well. So Rocka Rola, that's what you say, right?
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See that, people? Be like the 503. Check out Hollywoodland. Get in there. Get in there and get after it. You will not be disappointed. Okay? There's a whole other world of content happening in the Hollywoodland feed right now. That is Disgraceland adjacent. It's Hollywood and true crime. It's not music and true crime. You're not going to be disappointed. Be like the 500-361-790-6638. You guys want to leave me a voicemail? I want to hear about the the most disturbed news you've ever heard from music history. The most upset that any news or any research or any story from the world of music has made you. 617-90-66663 I don't want to get into that next week with you, but in the meantime, let's do some text. Let's talk about this week's episode on the Foo Fighters. This one from the778 who writes in hey, just listen to the Foos Hawkins Gro episode. I never connected the dots together about insurance battles, but regarding the lack of an official cause of death. This explains everything. And yeah, looking now at a whole different wave of Gen X drummers who have quit or taken hiatus to deal with health. Wow. Mind blown. I think this is my fave episode so far and the first time I felt compelled to text. Thanks for all you do. Thank you 778. I appreciate the kind words, appreciate the nice message, but with the nice, you got to take the not so nice as well. So let's go to the 917-917 writes in and here we are listening.
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Here it goes. 91 7. You don't want to hear about Dave Grohl's problems. I don't want to hear a hypocrite who lied to everyone by putting on a Persona that is not truthful. The audacity to only apologize because he got caught shows that he doesn't give a shit about being faithful to his family. He only cares that his carefully crafted image has been ousted as fake to its core. What a great example to the already fucked up manosphere. You are Sucking his dick this entire episode. Like what he did is just personal family issues. No, it's uncovering decades of lies. He is now not only a piece of shit rockstar that sleeps around with young women while having a family which consists of only women, but he now depicts a guy with questionable morals willing to lie for his own benefit if he can easily lie about having an affair, to only show remorse once word got out. What else about his image is he feeding us as a quote? Genuine connection with a genuine nice guy is bullshit just made up to sell more records, stay relevant, make the maximum profit. It goes against everything Kurt Cobain and Nirvana stood for. A legacy his modern day Persona depends on to stay standing on the shoulders of giants. Love the show, by the way. I love the way the 917 ends it there. And I love the passion. Listen, I get it. I really, truly do. I'm not sucking his dick, though. Come on, man. That's. That's a little harsh. I addressed all the issues with Dave Grohl. I might not have the same take you have, but here's the thing. Seth and I talk about this in more detail in the exclusive section of this after party coming up. You gotta be an all Access member for that, but for those who aren't, I'll address it here too, a little bit, and not so much detail. Honestly. When the news of Dave Grohl's infidelity broke, I was pissed. And my wife and I were talking about it, and I was really upset, Much, much more upset than you would think by listening to the way I spoke about it in the episode. And my wife and I were talking about this. And the reason this one was so upsetting, and maybe this is why the texter is so upset, is because Dave Grohl, at least for me, I don't want. I don't want to. I don't want to presume this is why the text was upset. I take that back. But at least for me and for my wife and for a lot of people I know, Dave Grohl's like one of us. He's roughly our age, comes from the same scene that we come from, the hardcore scene, 90s Gen X. And he's. He really. When he started to come up, step out into the spotlight, and he was doing all these interviews and the Foo Fighters first launched, he was just. Just ultra real, ultra charismatic in a lot of ways. I don't mean to glorify, you know, a rock star here, but he was. He was like the best version of us. He was funnier than us. He was more talented than us. He was more charismatic, you know what I'm saying? And he just. He spoke like we did, and he seemed to like the same things and care about the same things that we did. And he sort of carried a version of that, of that personality, that Persona with him the entire run of the Foo Fighters. And, yeah, I know there's people who are out there. It's. It's all an act. He's full of shit. He's never been a nice. I don't buy that. I know people who know him. I know people who. Who know him well. I know people who have. Have met him, just, you know, one offs, et cetera. And they all say the same thing, that he really is a great guy. I've never met him. But anyways, it just stung. It just hit. It just. It hit more now to the caller's criticism, the texter's criticism, which is. It's valid. I didn't express a lot of the anger that I felt in the full episode. You might have heard it back in some of the Disgraceland afterparty episodes when it. When this news broke, but in the full episode this week, I did not express my anger toward Dave in that moment. And here's why. We talk about rock stars every single week that are. That have infidelity in their life, that are shitty in relationships to their wives, and oftentimes we don't even mention it. And, yeah, that's on me. It's my job, I guess, to bring this stuff up. But it's so common in the music industry. Cheating on your wife, cheating on your girl. What? It's so fucking common. It's just boring. It's like, yeah, no shit. So I didn't want to be entirely hypocritical about it, and even though it upset me, I didn't want to just dive into it. Now, if Dave Grohl operated in a really different way, maybe I would have treated this differently. But he does seem. Look, he's. He's with his wife. They're trying to work it out. You know what I mean? And I didn't get into this to be all tabloidy and sensationally and all that. Like, that's not what I do. Like, it comes up. It comes up. We'll deal with it. And this is a really interesting. Not interesting. This is a really not interesting, I should say, example of this. And it's. It is. I thought of, you know, what would his daughter. What do his daughters think about this? Some dude on A microphone, like opining on Dave Grohl's infidelity with their mom. And it's finally, whatever. It's all out there. You can go elsewhere to get it. I do get your criticism, but that's just my point of view on how I treated this situation. Take it as you will. All right, let's go to the 9:02 on the same subject. Listen, the opinions from the listeners here are not necessarily my own, and I'm not suggesting that they are, and they're solely the opinions of the texters and the callers. Okay, uh, let's see here. Nine zero two says, hey, love the show Bias up front. I'm a big Foos fan, but regarding the Rolling Stone article. The text was talking about the Rolling Stone article that I mentioned in the episode. Unlike a lot of fans, I didn't really find it that scandalous. It had some interesting insight, and I have always thought it very possible that no one was lying. I think Taylor did vent to his friends and probably even talked to Dave. But he and Dave were best friends. If they needed to talk, they probably didn't have an official meeting with management to formally express concerns. They probably just talked. And who knows what they did or didn't agree to. But also, the timeline, I think is important. Taylor collapsed on the plane in December 2021, and it seems like Chad and Matt, that's Chad Smith from the Chili Peppers and Matt Cameron from Pearl Jam Soundgarden were saying that he, Taylor and Dave Grohl talked after that. This is all in the article. Okay? And I'm just going to say it here. Dave Grohl's management denies this. Okay? They deny what Chad and Matt had said. All right, the caller is saying. This caller goes on to say at that point, 2022, after Taylor Hawkins collapsed on a plane in December 2021, tour dates were already announced and tickets were sold. And Taylor was a consummate professional. And I don't think he would have been down with canceling already scheduled shows if they, Taylor and Dave agreed to something, it most likely would have gone into effect after those existing commitments. I also think it's possible Taylor was not aware if he had something seriously medically wrong with him. Because I do not believe that if he said, said to Dave, we have to slow down or I could die. The Dave would have taken that lightly. Taylor could have downplayed it accidentally or on purpose. Even if he did. No, I, I, I agree with you here. I'm not saying that Dave Grohl knew Taylor Hawkins was in some sort of medical decline, health decline, what have you. And Dave was like you must play these shows, damn you. I don't think that's what was going on. Caller goes on to say, I'll also say the Foo Fighters had in recent years started factoring their age into their schedule. They played a lot, but only went out for two to three weeks at a time before taking a two to four week break. And they had to stop playing consecutive nights, which you can see if you look into their past tour dates. Anyway, I really like your thoughts about entering uncharted territory with rock bands and the insurance angle is a good one. Interesting episode. The band has just started dipping their toes back into talking about difficult subjects lately, so maybe at some point we'll learn more. That's from the 902. Appreciate you 902. I agree a lot. I agree with a lot of what you're saying here and I just want to state that again. Taylor's depiction as voiced in that Rolling Stone article of the events with Dave Grohl around his workload with the Foo Fighters as depicted in the Rolling Stone article by Chad Smith and Matt Cameron are adamantly denied by Foo Fighters and Foo Fighters management. So there we go. Two seven zero writes in hey Jake, this is Kate from the two seven zero here in Western Kentucky. Having worked in healthcare and varying positions from pharmacy to billing to urgent care to dispatch, I honestly think that the combination of over exertion perhaps not being fully transparent with his doctor about any non prescription drug usage, self medication with prescription medication and probably an underlying undiagnosed genetic factor that that is the official cause of death for Taylor Hawkins. It's likely listed as natural causes, maybe death by misadventure with underlying causes but it's been covered up to keep the insurance company from refusing to pay. The insurance company is the biggest villain in the whole story. That's who will refuse to pay out on death if they can find a loophole. So nothing nefarious, just an attempt to make sure insurance actually pays. Anyway, that's my nearly 4am Thought working overnights and ambulance dispatch. Rocka Rolla baby two seven zero. Appreciate you. You know what's up six four six real quick. Hey, hope you're doing well. I was wondering if you're interested in maybe doing a Donny Hathaway show. 646 we are. Or we were, I should say, because we did. There's a Donny Hathaway episode in the archive for you guys. Thanks for your calls. Thanks for your texts. 617-906-6638. You guys want to come at me with this week's question of the week on the event from music history that just pissed you off the most? That's what we want to know. 617-906-6638. Get at us. You might hear yourself on next week's afterparty. I'll be back right after this with your emails, DMs, and some music and perhaps a television recommendation. All right, we are back. Thanks for joining us in another after party, man. You know, we just. This cool thing just happened. I'm in the middle of recording and Chad from Canada called. People don't usually call when I'm recording. I have a bank of voicemails and texts that accumulate that I just go in and I grab and I play. The phone just started ringing. It's not actually a phone. I mean, it is a phone, but it's online. I didn't know how to answer it and I figured it out and I just started talking to this guy Chad and all of a sudden I was recording a phone call. Our conversation. It was all cool. It's all great. And then my fucking pro tools just died. Chad. I was planning on playing the whole thing. Dude, call us back. Maybe we'll figure out a way to do this live. That'd be fun, wouldn't it? Take the calls live. I could get into that. I could get into that. I suppose I'd have to tell you at what time I'm recording. I record on Wednesdays, eastern standard time, usually in the. Usually in the late mornings. Recording a little later today anyways. 617-906-6638. You want to leave me a voicemail? You want to send me a text? We're back and I want to. Real quick. I want to talk. I'm going to play a little new song. Old song. Okay. The new song of the week that I'm recommending is might see you there from Weird nightmare. This is the Mets, dude. M E T Z that Mets. Alex Edkins Again, M E T Z. Not the 86 M E T S who broke my heart and can't buy wind these days. Anyways, I dig this tune by weird nightmare from the Mets dude. Again, it's called might see you there comes highly recommended from our friend Brett from effing good music. Brett has great taste. I listen to everything that he sends me. Anyway, might see you there by Weird Nightmare. Modern rock, pop, alt, kind of lemons, lemon headsy, kind of Blake, baby Z kind of 80s 90s Boston College Rocky is what I'm saying, and I highly recommend it. Old song recommendation for this week. I need you Tonight by Punk and Machine. Okay, not in Excess. Yes. Punkin Machine. P U N K I N Punkin Machine. I'm back on my 80s Italian disco bullshit here, guys. Find disco guitars that sound better than the disco guitars in this track that weren't recorded by Nile Rogers, okay? This shit rules and it will improve your springtime vibes immeasurably. I need you Tonight by punkin machine my 8 year old asked, how does he get his voice to sound like that dad? And I wanted to say cocaine, but I didn't. But now you know a little bit more about how awesome this song sounds. All right. Disgraceandpod Gmail.com on the email machine. This one comes from Tyler Whitmore Suggestion for rewind episodes. I like the POD and started listening back when you did the My favorite Murder crossover. Glad that you landed with exactly right media. I hadn't listened in a minute as I think I wasn't subscribed between some earlier seasons. And my suggestion is that if you are releasing an episode or mixing in rewind episodes per week, it might be useful to label them as rewinds and maybe provide any updates to the story, if any exist. This is the format that my favorite murder uses and I think it's pretty nice. I was slightly confused because I was listening to that Selina episode and thought it was a new episode as it was a recent release, but I read the description and it says release released November 2020. Also in that episode they mentioned that there was a parole hearing set for 2025, so it would have been cool after the episode if you gave an update. Now, I understand if you don't want to copy what my favorite murderer is doing or if you have your own system, but I think other listeners would enjoy this. Thank you for listening. All right, that comes from. Who did I say that come from? Came from Taylor Whitmore. Taylor, I love your suggestion. I love it so much. We're gonna do it. All right from now on, starting this Sunday, there will be a parenthetical in the title of each of the rewind episodes that says rewind. And it should be clear to everybody that this is a previously released piece of content. That doesn't mean you shouldn't listen to it, people, okay? Our shit is evergreen, all right? So make sure just because we're putting rewind in there, you're not being like, I don't need to listen to this. It came out before. No, no, no, no, no. I don't care if you heard that Bjork episode back when it was released. It's coming again and you should listen to it this weekend. You're not going to be disappointed. And Taylor, to your point on the updates, I never thought of that. But yeah, we'll figure out a way to do that. We'll figure out a way. I'll figure out a way. I'll probably talk to Karen and Georgia, see how they do it and see how they get themselves ready for any of the updating, and we'll incorporate that into our rewind releases as well. Thank you for the suggestion. Julio Escobar writes in hey, Jake. Or whoever checks the email. My name is Julio Cesar Escobar. I'm a journalist with over 20 years of experience, and I was the director of a rock radio station in Colombia when Taylor Hawkins died. Plus, I was at the Festival Estero picnic waiting for them to perform. When we all saw the announcement on the Foo's Instagram account, it all was very chaotic, with little or any information at all. And we did a special broadcast from Estero Picnic with some of the attendees who were at the festival. People in Colombia love the Foo Fighters, so it is a moment in history that we will always remember. I just wanted to let you know that I agree with everything you said in the Foos episode on Taylor's death. All the best, Julio C. Escobar. P.S. i'm a big, big fan of Disgraceland. Julio, thank you very much. I appreciate the perspective from Colombia from somebody who was there when this happened, and I know that the listeners appreciate it as well. Disgracelandpodgmail.com Guys, you want to get at me via email? Disgracelandpod on the socials over on Instagram, James Buckley writes in unexpected covers. A most excellent Depeche Mode narrative, Jake. As far as unexpected covers, Tori Amos taking on Slayer's Raining Blood was definitely a hard hit in the left field. All the best, James Buckley. Damn, man. I've never heard that. I've never heard Tori Amos doing Slayer. That's just incredible. Incredible. I was listening to Cornflake Girl the other day. I think as one of you guys recommended it, I'm not sure or reminded me of it. I've known that song forever. It's a great song. Love, Tori Emos. All right, guys, I'm gonna get out of here. I'm gonna go head into the exclusive part of the after party. Okay, that's the room in the back. Back. You got to know where that part of the party is, you got to know how to get into it. You can go to disgraceandpod.com to figure that out. Got to pay a little bit more, but not much. And I'll be talking to Zeth in there. Szeth, as you may or may not know, is my partner in true crime, as he likes to call himself. He's also not a real doctor, though he's sometimes referred to as Dr. Lundy. Zeth Helms the Hollywoodland feed for us, which, if you're not subscribed, I invite you. Come on in. The water's great. These are Hollywood and true crime stories, just like our music and true crime stories. We're talking Drew Barrymore this week. Got our Drew Barrymore episode archive episode that's out. In addition to the scripted episode on Drew Barrymore in the wrap party. We're talking and we hate this term Nepo babies, but we're doing some recommendations of from my standpoint, it was great music by and this is all kicked off by the Drew Barrymore stuff. Great music from musicians, from the parents of famous people, basically, and I had a couple good ones in there. And then Szeth gave us some film recommendations again from quote unquote, Nepo babies. And we talk about why we hate that term in the Hollywoodland wrap party. Screening room from Hollywoodland is happening end of this week. And the movie that we're talking about is Gun Crazy from 1992 by Tamara Davis, who was once married to a Beastie boy, Mike D, I Believe, starring Drew Barrymore. That's what we'll be watching this week. So if you want to get in on the conversation with us there, check out the screening room. Just go to Hollywoodland and subscribe if you're not subscribed already. Anyways, more from me and Zeth right now in the all access portion of the Disgraceland after party. I'll be back in a flash. All right, we are back. Thank you for joining me in another afterparty episode. So many artists mentioned in this episode. From our archive, Jim Morrison got a classic Jim Morrison episode. Check that out. If you haven't heard it, I guarantee you, if you have not heard it, you will be surprised, very shocked by the time you get to the end of that episode. I guarantee it. It we don't have a Janis Joplin episode, though. I need to fix that. Definitely have a Jimi Hendrix and Graham Parsons episodes, Taylor Swift in Excess. It's all there. It's all there. You'll find it. Let Me know if you need help navigating the archive. Matt will have some episode notes for some of these classic episodes in the show. Notes of this after party for you as well. All right, let's recap. Number one, this week our Foo Fighters episode is available for you to listen to right now. Number two, we are rewinding with a classic episode from the Disgraceland archive this week with our episode on Bjork. Number three, next week, Ian Watkins from Lost Profits and his unspeakable True Crimes. Number four, Zeth is giving you those Hollywood and true crime vibes in the Hollywoodland feed. Make sure you are subscribed. I'm gonna give you some music wrecks over there in the Hollywoodland rap party. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our new video podcast. I didn't even mention mentioned this today. My goodness. Got a brand new one for you on High Fidelity that's available to our Patreon listeners. Go to Disgracelandpod.com or to Patreon to sign up. Number 661-790-6668. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting with the answers to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content, it's a community. A community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime and it ties them all together like you do. And, well, that's a disgrace. All right. On July 4, 1994, Dave Grohl marked his independence with a bang and released the first Foo Fighters album. Here is what America was listening to on that day, according to the billboard charts. Number one, waterfalls, TLC. Last week, one peak position one weeks on chart six. Number two, one more chance. Stay with me. The Notorious B.I.G. last week three peak position two weeks on charts four. Number three. Don't take it personal. Just one of dem days, Monica. Last week two peak position two weeks on chart 12. Number four water runs dry voice two men last last week, six peak position two weeks on chart 12. Number five, total eclipse of the Heart. Quit talking and start mixing. Hello?
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I was trying to reach Disgraceland.
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Maybe I have the wrong number. No, no, you got him. This is Jake. Who's this? Jake Brennan.
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It's Chad calling from up in by Vancouver bc. Oh, right on. What's up, Chad? How are you, man?