Loading summary
Transcript54 lines
- [00:02]
Cantu Hair Care Advertiser
This is exactly right.
- [00:11]
Jake Brennan
Double Elvis.
- [00:14]
Public Investing Advertiser
Support for the show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index with AI. It all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year, you can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It screens thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the S&P 500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like ETFs with infinite possibilities, completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA and SIPC Advisory services by Public Advisors llc. SEC Registered Advisor Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice. Complete disclosures available at public.com Disclosures this
- [01:16]
Jana Kramer
week on a special episode of WebMD's Health Discovered podcast, we're taking a closer look at a common form of lung cancer that accounts for 85% of all cases.
- [01:27]
Jake Brennan
When I first heard the words you have lung cancer, I was in shock.
- [01:32]
Jana Kramer
It's a diagnosis that changes everything. So what does it really mean to advocate for yourself when you're living with non small cell lung cancer? Listen to Health discovered on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Jana Kramer from Wind down with Jana Kramer. Instead of giving your mom something that fades, give her something that becomes part of her home this Mother's Day. The Lenox Spice Village is a set of 24 hand painted little house actually spice jars. Perfect for anyone who loves to cook, entertain or enjoy the little details that make every day life special. As a mom, I love gifts that help turn ordinary moments into memories. Charming, timeless and meant to be used. This is one of those pieces she'll treasure and once you see it, you'll want it for your own home too. Find the full collection@lenox.com SpiceVillage
- [02:29]
Jake Brennan
hey discos, need a little more Disgrace Land in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, and the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission, to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, all the things that annoy you about the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. So we're starting our own Rock and Roll hall of Fame and we're getting into your answers to the question of the week from last week that spun out of our Grace Jones episode and previewing our next new episode on Depeche Mode. Your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. Greetings, Disgraceland listeners. Happy to be talking to you today because it was announced this week that Oasis, along with Wu Tang Clan, are being inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame in 2026. And I mentioned both of these groups, both of these nominees up front because I feel like of all the inductees, these two artists might have the most appeal to Disgrace Slam listeners. Actually, Joy Division slash New Order was also inducted. I probably should have mentioned them up up front as well. Phil Collins, Billy Idol, Sade, Iron Maiden and Luther Vandross are also going into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame this year. The list of artists nominated who were not inducted, who aren't being inducted, the snubs, if you will, is the following. Black Crows, Jeff Buckley, Pink Shakira, Lauryn Hill, Mariah Carey, and Melissa Etheridge. This process, the nomination process, the inductee process for the Rock and Roll hall of Fame is a head scratcher. Every year it feels like someone's always upset, and I'm usually one of these people who's always upset. This constant source of frustration around Rock and Roll hall of Fame inductees is, is for me, not so much who gets in and who gets snubbed, it's more about what is and what isn't rock and roll. Now, some people, and no offense, but mainly really old people, people who came of age listening to rock and roll sort of before punk rock and before hip hop. A lot of these folks, not all of them, but a lot of them, often argue against inductees being nominated whose styles don't align to the more traditional guitar based rock and roll of the 70s, the 60s, the 50s, your Eagles, that sort of thing. You know, more, more traditional guitar based rock and traditional R B and soul, like your Otis reddings, Aretha Franklin's, etc. So most of these folks don't think that hip hop or punk artists or heavy metal artists like Iron Maiden, that any of these folks should be in the hall of Fame, nevermind pop artists who have been inducted like Madonna or George Michael. But I don't necessarily agree with that at all. My definition of who should and shouldn't be in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame doesn't have so much to do with genre or style. I don't think that should matter. Rock, hip hop, pop, R and B, quote unquote, Rock and roll, Rock and roll. It's not just two guitars and like a long haired frontman up there singing on stage, making records. To me, rock and roll is more just about popular music. That young, hip, counterculture kids listen to. Rock and roll from its earliest days. It's an outdated term now, sure, but from its earliest days it was all about counterculture. And the best of it, no matter how popular it was, it always adhered to this definition, this sort of combative, anti authority type of thing. And if you were a combative anti authority type of kid, that that's what you gravitated toward. So if you were listening to Wu Tang Clan when they first hit, or Nirvana or Madonna earlier, or the Fugees, yes, these artists were massively popular, but they were also a little bit dangerous, a little bit subversive and young. Like I said, young hip kids, no matter how suburban or normie they may have been, or should I say we, we may have been, we were listening to cool bands, both mainstream and alternative. Okay, Nirvana, super mainstream, also alternative. Madonna too, super mainstream, also super subversive. Both those bands, Nirvana and Madonna, despite guitars or pop music, whatever it is, they were listened to broadly across the counterculture in the same way that, I don't know, Elvis Presley and Aretha Franklin were decades prior. It's the same thing to me now. I love Phil Collins and Sade, two artists who are going in this year. But rock and roll, come on, they're not rock and roll. When I was a kid listening to again, Nirvana, Madonna, Wu Tang, Phil Collins and Sade, that was music that my parents listened to, not me. Okay, you get it, this is my definition. I know you guys get it, you're smart, but that's Just me. I want to know what you guys actually think specifically. Okay? I want you. I want to know, who do you think should be in the Rock and Roll hall of fame? That is not. 617-906-6638. Call me, leave me a voicemail or send me a text. Email me at disgracelandpod. Hit me on the socials. Disgracelandpod on Instagram. And what I want to do. Listen, let's start our own Rock and Roll hall of fame. Our own alternative indie, millennial Gen X with awesome classic boomer tasted music. Our own utopian Rock and Roll hall of fame. Okay, let's just use the Rock and roll hall of Fame criteria. Just this one. Of having to have released your first music 25 years ago to be nominated, okay? That's their benchmark. And I like that benchmark. 25 years since your first release. And let's induct music that we listened to when we were skipping school. We were drinking up other railroad tracks and we were cruising around in our Volkswagen J or in our cool friend's uncle's muscle car or, you know, whatever. This should be the criteria by which we are judging our Rock and Roll hall of Fame inductees, okay? As well as music that we bought on little plastic compact discs and cassettes. Tower records that we read about in spin that we maybe read about for first before we read it in Spin. We read about them in maximum rock and roll that we. We watched on Beavis and Butthead. We watched Beavis and Butthead make fun of these artists. We watched them on 120 minutes headbangers ball. Heard them on Beverly Hills 90210 or later on Dawson's Creek, whatever it is. You know the type of music I'm talking about. Okay, let's. Let's induct the awesome musicians who aren't yet in the Rock and roll hall of Fame and create our own little Rock and roll hall of Fame. I'll go first. My first nominee. Okay, right here. Fugazi. Their influence is undeniable and they. They'd probably insist on tickets for the ceremony being no more than five bucks and make it in all ages event as conditions for their appearance. So this one would be subversive and just like I said, completely influential. They deserve to be in there. Now. Next thing I want to do, I want to right this year's wrong right off the bat. And I want to put Jeff Buckley and Lauryn Hill, who were both snubbed this year, I want to put them in. In our rock And Roll hall of Fame again, both massively influential artists. If Coldplay. I swear to God, if Coldplay gets in before Jeff Buckley and if Shakira gets in before Lauryn Hill, we are in trouble, people. But that's just my own smart ass Gen X Bias. So Joy Division slash New Order. Despite how much I can't stand the hybrid nature of the nomination, I get it, I understand it. And I. And I love both. I mean, it's really the same group, just different singer. I love Joy Division slash New order. So score one for the 80s deserved. They should be in. Okay, can we score one for the 90s now though? And put Jane's Addiction in three all time classic, no skip albums from Jane's Addiction. Plus the band's front man started a music festival that defined pop culture in the early 1990s and in a lot of ways is still defining pop culture. You know why Jane's Addiction is not in? This is my theory. The hall does not want to have to deal with Perry Farrell. Perry Farrell is a lot, okay? He's a handful. And I think they just feel like he's going to show up with like the Jim Rose Circus in tow and like three methed out EDM DJs trailing behind him when he goes up to accept his award. That's. That's what I think's going on here. There's no excuse for why Jane's Addiction is not in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame compared to the other artists that are in. Even Oasis, who I love and I'm happy they're in there, but still, Jane's Addiction, way, just way more influential on pop culture. All right. In 2022, Alanis Morissette declined an invitation to perform at the Rock and Roll hall of Fame induction ceremony, claiming that she didn't want to be part of an event that reduced women. And this is the exact reason Alanis Morissette needs to be inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. What's the first rule of rock stardom? What's the first rule of being a rock star? The first rule of being a rock star is to be a rock star. Okay, I think I just made that up. But you know what I'm saying? We should be celebrating the anti heroes in rock and roll. We should be celebrating the truly subversive as opposed to the bootlickers who are campaigning for votes behind the scenes. Next Bikini Kill. Because if you're gonna nominate Melissa Etheridge and recognize the whole Lilith fair influence on 90s pop culture, then you have to recognize the riot girl influence on that same decade. And Bikini kill is the sonic boom of that moment. New York Dolls. New York Dolls. New York Dolls. I should have led with New York Dolls. New York Dolls might be. Of all the artists I've mentioned yet, they might be the most influential. Who is not in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame? You don't get punk rock guys without the New York Dolls. And without punk rock, you don't get grunge and you don't get whatever the hell it is we're listening to nowadays, okay? New York Dolls need to be in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, full stop. Also, I'm from Boston, so forgive me. Jay Giles band. What are we doing? No love for Boston. Why? Why? I'm biased. I know I am, but just listen. You know how you got artists from your hometown and you know they're big, but you. You. You're so clouded by the context of being so close to them your whole life that you can't tell how big they are. That's what the Jay Giles band is for me. On the one hand, they seem huge. I mean, Peter Wolf was married to Faye Dunaway, okay? And at the. At a time when Faye Dunaway was like, you know, at the absolute, you know, pinnacle of the zeitgeist. So I don't know. I mean, but I still see, like, you know, if you're from Boston, you know, you run into Peter Wolf all the time. Anyhow, I just think Jay Giles Band, like, just. Okay, just try this for a test. Put. Put the Jay Giles band on next time you and your friends are hanging out, partying, drinking, you know, beer, shitty beer out of red solo cups and playing quarters or whatever. Put Jay Giles on. Put centerfold on or freeze frame or must have got lost. And try not having a good time. You cannot. It's impossible. These. These songs were stone cold hits. And these hits, like number one hits, by the way, came after the band already had a decade of blowing faces out touring across America with the Stones, Thin Lizzy, Stevie Wonder and others. Just put Jay Giles in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. Make Peter Wolf happy, okay? Let's make the rock and roll gods happy here and induct the Replacements and. And Big Star on the same ballot. REM went into the hall in 2007. They wouldn't have even have been a band without the Replacements or Big Star. And while we're at it, Eric B and Rakim and Ice T both need to be in. It's. This is like a new York Dolls thing. These guys, they need to be in like last week. It's hard. I can't imagine 90s hip hop without either of these hip hop artists. And any hip hop that came after these, these, after Eric B and Rakim and after Ice T would not be the same. Okay? Their influence is massive. Different types of influence completely. I can make an argument for Tribe, A Tribe Called Quest as well. Those, those three records were everywhere. They were everywhere. Everywhere you went in the 90s, you would hear Tribe Called Quest. Everyone listened to them, not just hip hop kids. The band truly crossed over. And if we're gonna have the Beastie Boys in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, and we absolutely should, we should have A Tribe Called Quest as well, as well as Ice T and Eric B and Rakim. So what do you think of our little Gen X millennial great taste in boomer music Rock and Roll hall of Fame that we got going here? I think it's shaping up pretty well. But then again, I don't really care because I'm a disaffected latchkey kid who's just riddled with apathy and indifference and. Oh well, whatever, nevermind. No, I do care. I'm kidding. And I want to know what you guys think. Seriously. I think that 90s music right now, there's already been a resurgence, but I think that resurgence is going to get even greater. I think the influence of 90s on popular culture, it's really, I think this is the beginning of its peak, but we got a ways to go and I think we're going to start to see more music that I listened to as a kid in junior high and in high school and in college. I think we're going to start to see more of that influence on modern day pop culture. And I think a lot more of these artists are going to go into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. In fairly short, hopefully. But again, I want to know what you guys think. 617-906-6638. Leave me a voicemail, send me a text and you might hear yourself and your answer on next week's afterparty bonus episode. And you can also hit me up in the chat on Patreon and get into this conversation with your fellow discos. But to do so, you gotta be a Disgraceland All Access member. Go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up and I will be eternally grateful. Now, if you become an All Access member, not only do you get access to the ongoing music and movies conversation with myself and your fellow Discos, the one that we're having over in the chat. You also get ad free listening on all Disgraceland in Hollywoodland content, plus extra exclusive content every week and month. Like the bonus section of this here bonus episode today where Zeth and I are going to be discussing in more detail this year's hall of Fame inductees. We made some picks a couple weeks back. We're going to grade ourselves. We're going to see how we did. Okay, not going to give anything away here, but you're going to want to check that out. Go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up. Become a Disgraceland All Access member today. Now Discos Grace Jones is not in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, but she is the newest subject of Disgraceland because she was not just a multi hyphenate icon of the 1980s, she was also a walking true crime. Her story is scary. It's harrowing. It's surprising. I didn't know a lot of this going into this story. It's also inspiring and you can hear it now if you haven't already, as it is the latest episode in your feed right before this here bonus set that we're doing right now that you're listening to, that I'm creating that you're hearing right now. Coming up next though, in your feed next, our rewind episode on the Beastie Boys. And if you want to hear how the Beasties inspired an actual crime wave and overcame becoming the dick joke that they were trying to make, well, you need to listen to this classic episode of Disgraceland and that's going to hit your feed this coming Sunday. Next week, our next new episode that's on Depeche Mode. It's gonna be coming your way on Tuesday. Debauchery, excess, near death experiences in some of the sexiest music ever. That all hits next week, guys, I'm gonna have myself a little Depeche Mode weekend actually in preparation, I'm going to listen to Violator on cd. Yes, on cd because it sounds incredible. It's one of the best sounding albums of all time. Depeche Mode's Violator. It's just incredible. And what else? There's, there's a recent Depeche Mode live like concert film. I think it's called M Mode. Depeche Mode M. Is it called M? I'm looking here and I can't quite tell but I've seen it. It's easy to get and it's great. And these guys are super old and they lost it. Nothing. Nothing. And there's also the Depeche Mode 101, which I think that's the more classic Depeche Mode concert film. I don't know. I'm gonna get us into Depeche Mode concert films this weekend, delve into some proper rock stardom to get ready for Tuesday's episode. When you're listening to our new Depeche Mode story, be thinking about their song Personal Jesus. Great song. A song that upset my mother to no end. That video, oh, my goodness, it just drove her nuts. I still don't know why. When you're listening to Depeche Mode and you're thinking about Personal Jesus, think about not their version. Think about the Johnny Cash version. It's such an unlikely cover song. I remember when that came out, we were like, what? What the fuck? It made no sense. But then again, quickly, it made all the sense in the world. My point is it's a very unlikely cover, and I love unlikely covers, and I love the conversation around unlikely covers. And that's going to be our new question of the week. That's going to be. We're going to be talking about next week. So call me 617-906-6638 and let me know what songs you've come across in your music listening experience that are great unlikely covers. Marilyn Manson's Sweet Dreams by the Eurythmics comes to mind. Beck covering Raspberry Beret. There's a whole bunch here. Let me know some of your favorite unlikely cover songs you know. Which familiar song did you hear covered by an artist that made you go 617-906-6638 leave me a voicemail with your answers. Text. Text me with your answers. Email me@gracelandpodmail.com with your answers. Hit me on Instagram and Facebook and elsewhere at disgracelandpod with your answers. I will be back right after this with you. Got it. Your answers to last week's question of the week. Foreign it's getting warmer out, guys. You're not gonna be able to rock those jeans up by the pool. Those corduroys are going back in the closet. Honestly, how many days a week can you wear khakis? You know what I'm saying? Khakis have, like, kind of this relaxed look. I get it. But if you're going to be out lounging around as the weather gets warmer, you're going to need something different. Quince has these 100% European linen pants. Now, I don't mean linen like you're just bombing around the house in These, you can wear these out. You can wear into a restaurant. Okay. They are cool looking and super, super comfortable. They come in a bunch of different colors. My favorite is the flax, but if you want to be a little bit more bold, they have the chambray blue which is great as well. The material is fantastic. It's top notch. Like everything at Quints, you feel like you're wearing clothing that cost three times as much as it did. Quince is able to make high quality everyday essentials using premium materials like 100% European linen, like Mongolian cashmere. Doesn't matter, they're all premium. The linen though, great, great for the change of season. Breathable, comfortable, laid back and refined. Super versatile. You can wear them in a bunch of different circumstances, a bunch of different types of events and you're going to look like you got it together, but you're not really trying too hard to get it together. You know what I'm saying? And as, as I was getting to Quint' directly with the artisans who make this clothing, they cut out the middlemen. So you're paying for quality. You're not paying this huge brand markup that a retail store is going to charge you. Refresh your wardrobe with quints. Go to quint.com disgraceland for free shipping and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. Go to Quincom Disgraceland for free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com Disgraceland support for the show comes
- [24:05]
Public Investing Advertiser
from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public, you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index. With AI. It all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year. You can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It screens thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the S&P 500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like ETFs with infinite possibilities, completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA and SIPC Advisory Services by Public Advisors llc. SEC Registered Advisor Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice. Complete disclosures available at public.com disclosures this
- [25:04]
Jana Kramer
is Jana Kramer from Wind down with Jana Kramer. Instead of giving your mom something that fades, give her something that becomes part of her home this Mother's Day. The Lenox Spice Village is a set of 24 hand painted little houses that are actually spice jars. Perfect for anyone who loves to cook, enter, or enjoy the little details that make everyday life special. As a mom, I love gifts that help turn ordinary moments into memories. Charming, timeless and meant to be used. This is one of those pieces she'll treasure, and once you see it, you'll want it for your own home too. Find the full collection@lenox.com SpiceVillage.
- [25:50]
Jake Brennan
All right, guys, 617-906-6638. You know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone with all you beautiful Disgraceland listeners. Disco's last week's question of the week in relation to our most recent episode on Grace Jones was which musicians do you love? Who made the transition to acting, or which actors do you love? Who made the transition to music? Let's hear from amy in the 41 4.
- [26:16]
Listener Callers
Hey Jake, this is Amy. I'm calling to tell you that my favorite actor, musician is Tom Waits and Iggy Pop. There's two of them. They're both proteges of Jim Jarvusch, who is one of my favorite directors. I love the work that Tom Waits has done in down by Law, Dead, Don't Die, I think it is. I think that's where it came about. And other things. Oh, Dracula. He was amazing in Dracula. He was actually the best actor in 90s Dracula because really nobody else was very good in it, if that answers your question. So have a great night.
- [26:50]
Jake Brennan
Bye, Amy, thank you for your message. I love Tom Waits so much. You know, when I was making music back in the day, my dream was that if we ever got a big record deal, like a huge record deal, you know, this is the 90s when they spent millions of dollars on videos and we had a gigantic, you know, if we were given a gigantic video budget, my dream was to hire Tom Waits to act in our video. Sadly, though, it never happened. But I am with you. I hear you. I love Tom Waits in, well, for basically Everything. But I, I love, you mentioned a couple good roles, but I love him in the Outsiders as well. It's a brief, brief role. Buck Merrill, he's also great as the limo driver in Robert Altman's shortcuts. Basically, anytime the guy comes on screen, I like you get excited. So thank you for your call. Appreciate you. Let's check out Abby from the 505 on our question of great music memoirs.
- [27:46]
Listener Callers
Hey Jake, it's Abby calling from the 505 talking about great biographies, of course, Keith Richards autobiography is phenomenal and the all time classic Hammer of the Gods. Led Zeppelin. And I really also enjoyed Zane's conversations with Tom Petty. Oldies, but goodies, keep them coming. Thanks, Abby.
- [28:11]
Jake Brennan
Thanks for the call. Keith Richards life, fantastic. And all timer in all the conversation, however, that we've had over this week and last about great music memoirs, you are the first to bring up Hammer of the Gods, which, what a controversial book when it came out. I think I was, I don't know, 14 when I read that book. I should not have read it at 14. I hope my kids don't read it at 14. That's a great one. And I love, I love, love, love Tom Petty. The book he did with Warren Zanes. It's fantastic. It's so good. Thank you for those, Rex. Let's hear from the four eight zero.
- [28:54]
Listener Callers
Hey, Jake, this is sue in Georgia responding to your request for how we listen to podcasts. What podcasts we listen to. I prefer a storytelling podcast. I want to be told a story, a good story. My first was this American Life and from there I have accumulated the number. I went to my favorite murder, which is how I found you several years ago. So Disgrace Land and then Hollywood Land through that great storytelling. I enjoy them. I'm way old, I'm in my 70s, so I don't know all the bands that you talk about, but I looked them up and I checked them out. You know, I have different takes, way different tastes. I'm a child of the 60s, so a lot of pop. Anyway, enjoy your show. Glad to have you on exactly right now and look forward to future stories. Take care, Sue.
- [29:55]
Jake Brennan
Thank you. Thank you for your message. And yeah, we welcome fans of all music, of music from every generation. Sue, I want to hit on this American Life and the storytelling type of podcasting that we do here and that they do it exactly right and that we all love. And I think in a way this American Life, it was teaching us all how to tell stories. That podcast was, and Hourglass was before many of us even knew that this is what we would end up doing. So it's no, no surprise to me that, that our listeners, the great listeners like you, love this American Life. It's, it's it's kind of the big bang of storytelling podcasting. It's fantastic. 617-906-6638. You can call in like sue and leave a message. You can also text. All right, let's check out this text from Miranda in the 8, 5, 6. Hey Jake. Miranda from South Jersey here. I don't know why people do this, but they do it. So I did. I just came across this website. I thought you'd appreciate it. Www.whatshouldireadnext.com I know you're a reader, as am I and always looking for recommendations and I found the concept interesting. My personal favorite book is the Lake of Dead Languages by Carol Goodman. It's a thriller with a wild twist and I think you'd like it. Also, I watched Taylor Russell's Waco doc Hands of the best put together documentaries I've ever seen in my life. The parts with the helicopter footage showing the events and the story of the survivors we're describing. It is wild. Thank you for making the best podcast on the planet. Truly. And congratulations on the exactly right. I heart team up. That is amazing. Eight, five, six. Miranda, thank you so much. I love this resource. What should I read next? It looks cool. I can't wait to delve into it a little more fully. The Lake of Dead Languages by Carol Goodman. A thriller with a wild twist. Right up my alley. This sounds awesome. Awesome. And yes, Tiller's Waco doc on Netflix is absolutely incredible. It's. Did you use the word harrowing? Is that what you use to describe it? That. That feels accurate. If you didn't. That's how. That's what I'm going to say about that. I'm kind of thinking about it now. I'm losing my. My thought here. Back to the text messages. Trip me up there, Miranda. Appreciate you. Let's check out the four. One, two. Hey Jake, this is he and I kind of have a first world problem. I've been off work the last several weeks and haven't had a chance to listen to see if you read any of my reviews on Spotify. I usually listen to all your podcasts going to and from work. So that hasn't happened and I'm about a month behind and now I feel like Mickey Mouse in the fucking Fantasia. There's so many episodes to catch up on. So much of a good thing. Can you tell me if you read any reviews from Heather the Yinzer or Coropolis Peeps? That's my old Spotify name. I'm dying to get my hands on a double Elvis T shirt or hat. Thanks. And if advance and rocka rolla. Heather, appreciate you as always. No, we did not read one of your reviews. But you know what, Heather, email me or just respond here via text your shirt size. I'll see what we got and I will just take you at your word that you left a review and I'll send you something. Good peoples. What are you at? What? What is this? What? What? Wait, what's happening? People are getting stuff in the mail. What's. Yeah, well, occasionally you guys leave reviews on Apple podcasts and if I read the review here on the show and you hear your review, you get in touch 617-906-6638 via text or voicemail and send me your shirt size. Not saying you'll get a shirt, you might get a pin, you might get a sticker. Sometimes I send shirts, sometimes I send signed books. And the reason I do this is because the reviews help power discovery of the show. Super important. Lou2407 on Apple Podcasts. Great content. Enjoy the pod. Love the format. Hey Lou, get in touch. We'll get you some merch. See how easy that was? Just go to Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Disgraceland and Hold on, hold on. Some of you are saying, but wait, I left reviews and I haven't gotten anything in the mail yet. Allison Marie Spencer and Rob McLean, you've got stuff coming your way shortly. Anyone else who left a review and heard it, read back on the pod, get in touch and we'll get you some merch. If you haven't left a review, go for it and we'll get you some merch. All right, 828 texts in. Hey Jake, this is Arwen from the 828 two answers for this week. Crossover artist answer. Tom Waits is my favorite crossover artist. His music and acting, they are fantastic. That's two for Tom Waits, guys. R1 goes on to say, when do I listen to podcasts? I often listen twice. Once when I have insomnia and need to listen to true crime to fall asleep. And then I listen again sometime in the next few days because I want to hear the episode while fully awake. I wonder if anyone else does this. Well, Arwin, I'll tell you, I oftentimes fall asleep when I'm reviewing the mixes of Disgraceland. And then I wake up, I finished the review. It's the first time I admitted that to anyone. Matt, There you go. Don't take that personally. Okay, who else we got Here, let's do a couple more of these texts. The 907 writes in hey Jay, congrats to you and all the team at Double Elvis for joining with Exactly Right Media. It was Karen in Georgia that guided me to Disgrace Land in the first place. How exciting to see what happens when my two favorite podcasts join forces. Keep doing what you're doing. Lisa from the 907. Lisa, appreciate the support. Thank you. We are psyched on our partnership with Exactly Right and with Karen and Georgia From My Favorite Murder 800 three texts in hey, phenomenal Patty Smith episode. The way you told her story was just as badass as she is. Rock on. Thank you. 803. That was nice of you to say. 323 writes in Jake, Jeff from the 323. The bar has been raised with the Patti Smith episode. You guys knocked it out of the park. You mentioned Jim Carroll a few times. Hopefully you have an episode brewing on Jim. He's put out some great punk records and not to mention his book. Then the film Basketball Diaries. Yes, definitely have a Jim Carroll episode in the works. Or at least on a list that'll be coming. Thanks, Jeff. Appreciate you guys. You know what else is coming? Me and your emails and some recommendations on the other side of this break. It's getting warmer out, guys. You're not gonna be able to rock those jeans up by the pool. Those corduroys are going back in the closet. Honestly, how many days a week can you wear khakis? You know what I'm saying? Khakis have the kind of this relaxed look. I get it. But if you're going to be out lounging around as the weather gets warmer, you're going to need something different. Quince has these 100% European linen pants. Now, I don't mean linen like you're just bombing around the house in these. You can wear these out. You can wear them to a restaurant. Okay. They are cool looking and super, super comfortable. They come in a bunch of different colors. My favorite is the flax, but if you want to be a little bit more bold, they have the chambray blue, which is great as well. The material is fantastic. It's top notch. Like everything at Quints, you feel like you're wearing clothing that cost three times as much as it did. Quince is able to make high quality everyday essentials using premium materials like 100% European linen. Like Mongolian cashmere. Doesn't matter. They're all premium. The linen though, great, great for the change of season. Breathable, comfortable, laid back and refined, super versatile. You can wear them in a bunch of different circumstances, a bunch of different types of events, and you're going to look like you got it together, but you're not really trying too hard to get it together. You know what I'm saying? And as as I was getting to Quince works directly with the artisans who make this clothing. They cut out the middlemen. So you're paying for quality. You're not paying this huge brand markup that a retail store is going to charge you. Refresh your wardrobe with Quince. Go to Quince.com Disgraceland for free shipping and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. Go to Q-U-I-N-C-E.com Disgraceland for Free Shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com Disgraceland support for the show comes
- [38:12]
Public Investing Advertiser
from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index with AI. It all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year, you can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It screens thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the S&P 500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like ETFs with infinite possibilities, completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA and SIPC Advisory services by Public Advisors llc SEC Registered Advisor. Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice. Complete disclosures available at public.com disclosure closures
- [39:12]
Jana Kramer
this is Jana Kramer from Wind down with Jana Kramer. Instead of giving your mom something that fades, give her something that becomes part of her home this Mother's Day. The Lenox Spice Village is a set of 24 hand painted little houses that are actually spice jars. Perfect for anyone who loves to cook, entertain or enjoy the little details that make everyday life special. As a mom, I love gifts that help turn ordinary moments into memories. Charming, timeless and meant to be used. This is one of those pieces she'll treasure and once you see it, you'll want it for your own home too. Find the full collection@lenox.com SpiceVillage.
- [39:58]
Jake Brennan
All right, guys, we are back and I sort of made a pledge in the last few weeks to do more recommendations both here in the afterpart party. Music recommendations. We'll do some. Some film and TV recs as well. But also with Zeth over in his wrap party episode in the Hollywoodland feed. And we got into a really interesting discussion this week on great theme songs from films, which is a harder question to answer than you might think. Excuse me, Matt, Give. Give the people a little bit of a taste of that conversation.
- [40:30]
Zeth Lundy
So let me jump on my picks here. My first one is I'm gonna go the route that you tried to avoid, I think, and I'm gonna choose the song Weird Science by Oingo Boingo.
- [40:40]
Jake Brennan
That's a great one, actually, from John Hughes. I would listen. I would listen to that on purpose. I would.
- [40:46]
Zeth Lundy
This. I mean, it comes. So it's on that. It was written for that movie, the John Hughes movie, but it's also on Oingo Boingo's Dead Man's Party, which. I love that album.
- [40:54]
Jake Brennan
That's got to know that record.
- [40:56]
Zeth Lundy
Oh, you don't know Dead. Well, it has Dead Man's Party, which is awesome. Just another day is on that. Stay. It's incredible. It's incredible. Yeah. Need that in your life.
- [41:04]
Jake Brennan
All right, all right.
- [41:05]
Zeth Lundy
I think it. I don't think it was their last. I think it was like midway through. But for those who don't know, Oingo Boingo is Danny Elfman's band from the 80s. This, like, strange. How would you define them? They're like an art pop kind of band.
- [41:17]
Jake Brennan
Exactly how I define them. Like in the world of Talking Heads, but weirder and more kind of. More kind of dance oriented and just
- [41:23]
Zeth Lundy
even more so than Talking Heads.
- [41:25]
Jake Brennan
Yeah.
- [41:25]
Zeth Lundy
And.
- [41:26]
Jake Brennan
And Weird Science is fantastic. I'm so pissed. I didn't think of that. I didn't. That movie so, so huge in my. In my formative years, I bombed. I didn't think of that.
- [41:34]
Zeth Lundy
I picked up this really cool box set recently called Life Moves Pretty Fast. It's like five records and it's all the songs from John Hughes movies. So it's like Ferris Bueller, Breakfast Club 16, everything.
- [41:46]
Jake Brennan
Wow.
- [41:46]
Zeth Lundy
And including like they famously never released an official soundtrack for Ferris Bueller, which has a bunch of cool on it. So anyways, shout out to that. All right. My next song here is that thing you do.
- [41:59]
Jake Brennan
Oh, yes.
- [42:00]
Zeth Lundy
The theme to the 1996 Tom Hanks film about the fictional band the Wonders. This was written, of course, by Adam Schlesinger.
- [42:10]
Jake Brennan
Debatable.
- [42:11]
Zeth Lundy
Fountains of Wayne.
- [42:12]
Jake Brennan
Oh, yeah, Debatable. Ask Mike Viola.
- [42:13]
Zeth Lundy
Did Mike write it? Did Mike write it?
- [42:15]
Jake Brennan
Who wrote that song?
- [42:15]
Zeth Lundy
Oh, shit. All right, so Mike Viola, the great, one of the great voices of all time, in my. My opinion, my humble opinion. Mike Viola sings this song song and
- [42:24]
Jake Brennan
had something that had something to do with the writing, but wasn't credit, wasn't credited.
- [42:28]
Zeth Lundy
It totally. I mean, there's some moments that totally feel like Mike moments that.
- [42:32]
Jake Brennan
Yeah, that song's great. And thank you for reminding me that I need to show my kids that movie. It's so damn good. All right, guys, you're gonna want to hear that convo with Zeth and I. It's some great theme song recommendations over in the Hollywoodland rap party. Make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland and Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcast. We're releasing content over there. It's. It's, you know, it's music, guys, talking about movies and true crime in Hollywood history. And Hollywoodland is helmed by my partner in true crime, Zeff Lundy. We got three episodes hitting every week over there, and there's always a music connection to everything that we talk about. To further fuel, or as the manifestation, I should say, of the fuel that is our music and movie fascination, Zeth and I have another podcast, a video podcast, exclusively video, called this Film should be Played Loud, which looks at the greatest scores in soundtracks from music history. The last one was on the Big Lebowski. The next one is on High fidelity. Go to disgraceandpod.com to sign up to become an all Access member so that you can watch. This film should be played loud, but Hollywoodland is available to everybody. Subscribe to Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, wherever you get your podcasts. All right, guys. Guys, let's play New song, old song. Speaking of recommendations, the new song of the week recommendation, the new song that I am recommending for old heads like me is End of Beginning by Joe. That's djo. And I'm not gonna lie. I hated this song the first time I heard it, but my kids wore me down. They love it. Now my kids also love Harry Nilsson and Fugazi and weird Al and Mr. Fantasy, so they got up pretty great taste. Joe the artist is also Steve from Stranger Things, the actor Joe Keery. So this recommendation makes Perfect sense. For this week, because of our Grace Jones episode, we're talking about actors and musicians who made the transition from acting to music and vice versa. So, Joe djo, End of Beginning. That is my new song recommendation for this week. The old song that I'm recommending this week week. Okay. The old song is Misunderstanding by Phil Collins for a couple reasons. One, it was just announced that Phil Collins is going into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame this year too. As lame as I thought Phil was as a kid, I have late in life onset Phil Collins appreciation disease. And I love this damn song. I've probably listened to this song more than any other single song in the past 12 months and that's saying something. Now listen, I get it. Phil Collins is. Is lame. Phil Collins is that your math teacher listened to when he couldn't find his lame ass Jimmy Buffett CDs. Phil Collins is the dude who looks like your Uncle Rick. If your uncle Rick was even lamer than he already is. Phil Collins was in Genesis. And the only thing lamer than Genesis is Phil Collins. According to your 12 year old MTV watching eyes, Phil Collins is even lamer than Peter Gabriel. And that is no easy thing to do. But here's the thing. What I'm saying all these years later is that Phil Collins is the in. This old song needs to be listened to. While with new ears, new shit has come to light. Dude. Misunderstanding by Phil Collins. Give it a spin. After End of Beginning by Joe. Got a new song you want to recommend to me and your fellow discos? How about an old song? 617-906-6638 all right, listen, speaking of the hall of Fame, the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, Zeth and I made some predictions and boy, oh boy, it was a thing. And we get into that in the exclusive section of this here after party coming up. Go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up up to become an All Access member. All right guys, we will be back right after this break. All right guys, we are back. Listen, we mentioned so many artists in this episode of the afterparty. A lot of them are featured in Disgraceland episodes from the past in our archive. I'm gonna pick out a couple here. Jeff Buckley, Madonna, George Michael. Okay, we have episodes on all three of those artists. And Matt will have the episode information in the show notes of this after party to help you navigate through our archive to find those stories. If you got questions on other stories, other artists that we've covered, hit me up. I'll point you in the right direction. All right. Alright, let's recap. Number one, this week our new episode on Grace Jones is available for you right now. Number two, our rewind episode is on the Beastie Boys and that's coming up for you guys this Sunday. Number three, next week's new episode, we are getting sexy with depeche mode. 4 zeth is gonna give you those Hollywood and true crime vibes in Hollywoodland. So make sure that you are subscribed to the Hollywoodland podcast. I'm also giving you my music recs over in the Hollywoodland rap party that's happening every week. Number five, currently this film should be played loud. Our new video podcast with our new episode on Big Lebowski is available for you to check out. You gotta be an all access member for that. Our next episode is gonna be on High Fidelity. Number 661-7906, 6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting with your answers to the question of the week or whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a community. A community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a Disgrace. Back on April 8, 1989, the iconic Grace Jones was arrested in Kingston, Jamaica. The Clampdown, baby. Here's what America was listening to on that day. According to the billboard charts. Number 1 the Look Rock Set Last Week 3 Peak Position 1 Weeks on Chart 9 Number 2 Eternal Flame the Bangles. Last Week 1 Peak Position 1 Weeks on Charts 10 Number 3 Girl, you know it's true. Milli Vanilli Last Week 2 Peak Position 2 Weeks on Chart 14. Number 4 she Drives Me Crazy Crazy Find Young Cannibals Last Week 6 Peak Position 4 Weeks on Chart 11 Number 5 Like a Prayer Madonna Last week. Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it.
- [49:18]
Cantu Hair Care Advertiser
Dryness is one of the biggest challenges for curly hair and many products. They clock out after wash day. The new Ultra moisture collection was literally designed with our hair in mind. Curls, coils, all of it powered by Botano oil and Jamaican Black Castor oil. Which means the science is actually doing the work. Clinically proven to help retain moisture for up to five days. This means non stop moisture for up to five whole days. The shampoo gently cleanses without stripping. The mask deeply conditions and helps reduce breakage. The leave in adds rich moisturization with hyaluronic acid. And the curl cream wraps every curl in luxurious hydration with long lasting definition. No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones, no mineral oils. Just nourishment without the compromise. Because here's the thing. Your hair deserves products that actually understand it. Moisture that starts at the root and keeps going well past wash day. That's the ultra moisture collection from Cantu. Explore their full line built for every curl pattern, every hair routine available now at Walmart. Go get it.
- [50:23]
Public Investing Advertiser
This episode is brought to you by Bobcat. They started the compact equipment industry through grit, determination and a whole lot of think we can't do that?
- [50:32]
Jake Brennan
Watch us. They set standards, broke records, empowered people
- [50:37]
Public Investing Advertiser
to build bigger and higher, to dig deeper, to make the impossible possible.
- [50:41]
Jake Brennan
We've all been there with doubters telling
- [50:44]
Public Investing Advertiser
us what we can't do. Who cares what they think? We don't need their permission or forgiveness.
- [50:49]
Jake Brennan
We just get things done. So go ahead and doubt me, judge me, challenge me.
- [50:54]
Public Investing Advertiser
But when the time comes, watch me. Bobcat.
- [51:00]
Jana Kramer
Hey, did you know Dietz Watson has been family owned for over 85 years? To us, that means it's more than a business, it's personal. We make our premium meats and cheeses the right way, even if it's slower or inconvenient or hard. Because that's how you get the highest quality. If it's not good enough for our family, it's not good enough for yours. And while others cut corners, we keep raising the bar. So if you see the Dietz and Watson name, you'll know every slice has my family's seal of approval. Dietz Watson. It's a family thing. Since 1939,