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Bonus Episode: A Music History Memoir and Rock ‘N’ Roll Autobiography Reading List
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Hey, discos. Need a little more Disgraceland in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The afterparty. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show. The party after the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission, to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, a look at our favorite music history, memoirs and rock and roll biographies. A new song you're going to love, and an old song that you won't be able to stop listening to. We're previewing next week's episode on Patti Smith. Plus we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told. The kind you'll end up telling someone else. Alright, Discos, let's get into it. All right, Discos, I'm back once again. Back in the chair, back behind the mic, back in your ears. After some psycho level travel last week, I flew out to Los Angeles from the east coast, arrived, checked into the hotel, got into an argument with room service over some salmon, woke up the next day, headed out to a studio at an undisclosed location, filmed an interview that will be live on one of the bigger streamers next week, and then I went straight back to the airport, grabbed the red eye and flew home. Nothing like cross country travel for one night, but it was worth it. I can't wait for you to hear this interview and for you to hear the news that we've got coming to you all next week. The entire way, the whole time I was traveling, I had Dave Grohl's book storyteller on my lap and in my hands and was barreling through it in order to keep up with research for the Foo Fighters episode that I'm running this week. The book Storyteller Dave Grohl Storyteller. It's an easy read. Feels like it was easy to write as well, if I'm being honest. There's not a lot there. I mean, it's entertaining, don't get me wrong, it's Dave Grohl, and the dude is charisma personified. And he's lived one of, if not the most charmed rock and roll lives that I can think of for a rock star. And not that it hasn't come without a cost, of course. And that cost, at least as it pertains to the loss of Kurt Cobain is documented in the book. Of course, this book was written and released before the death of Taylor Hawkins, so that loss is not detailed in Storyteller, but neither are what I assume are some of the more revealing bits from Dave Grohl's backstory, and so is any sort of narrative thread. It's. It's kind. It's. I don't want to say it's all over the place, it's not. But you kind of have to go into it knowing Gay Grohl's story to figure out how the whole thing is playing out. Not that it's hard to figure out, it's easy. But it's not hanging on any sort of one theme other than, and I don't want to discount this, the the joy that Dave Grohl gets from music, which is is important and shouldn't be overlooked. But again, as far as memoirs go, it's kind of lacking. But the book does succeed on quick flashes into Dave's incredible life, all hypercharged by jaw dropping experiences. Dave Grohl bringing Paul McCartney to meet ACDC, Dave Grohl performing for President Obama. Dave Grohl trying to get into Pantera strip club. The book is a ton of fun because Dave Grohl's life is a ton of fun. But the best music history memoirs, they reveal something else. Not just the darker side, but the vulnerability. And there's some of that here for sure, but not enough. I can't fault him for it. I mean, he's got about 10 albums of heart on his sleeve, arena rock anthems. And he's a musician, not a memoirist. So you know, it is what it is. They can't all be Patti Smith. Which brings me to my point. Reading Dave Grohl's book on the heels of reading Patti Smith's Just kids. And M Train is. It's kind of jarring because Just Kids might be one of my favorite memoirs or autobiographies. By the way, I just learned like seconds ago what the difference is between a memoir and an autobiography. I always thought that a memoir was just a pretentious person's version of an autobiography, like the way John Malkovich pronounces the word memoir and burn after reading Mutton memoir or how my My memoir, my memo. I can't do it. I can't do John Malkovich. Forgive me, I almost ran over him once on Mass Avenue in Cambridge. But that's another story. A memoir is about a specific time in the writer's life, and an autobiography is more of a cradle to the grave story. So by that definition, I'm comparing apples to donuts here when, when I'm comparing Just Kids to Dave Grohl's storyteller. Just Kids is Patti Smith's account mostly of her time in New York City with Robert Mapplethorpe in the late 60s and 70s. And Storyteller is kind of Dave's story from birth up until the time he wrote it a couple years ago. But still, one is vastly superior to the other and far more of an enjoyable read. And that's the Patti Smith book, Just Kids. It's one of the best memoirs I've ever read. Really, truly. And I know that's the case for a lot of people. A lot of people will tell you that same thing. A lot of people read that book, even non music obsessives. It resonated with them and it's understandable. It's incredible. And it forced me to think about Patti Smith in a different way, in a deeper way, and to hear her music differently. And I can't say that Dave Grohl's book did that for me. I mean, it did on some level. Of course, you're being brought into a part of his life that you haven't really seen before. So you're, you're. Of course, you're maybe thinking about him in a fuller way, but not really in a different way. You're certainly. I'm certainly not listening to his music in a different way. But all this got me thinking and talking to some double Elvis folks about what the best memoirs and autobiographies from music history are. Spring is now officially here, which means summer is officially right around the corner. So if you're in need of some reading recommendations, I'm going to list some of my favorite music books penned by musicians here in this afterparty and I'm going to ask you guys to hit me up with your recommendations as well. You are a very well read podcast listening audience and I know you've read a bunch of music books that I have not read, so I want your input. 617-906-6638 voicemail and text disgracedlandpod on the socials disgracelandpodmail.com if you want to email me Aside from Just Kids by Patti Smith, one of my favorite music autobiographies is get in the Van by Henry Rollins. Now when I was a kid in a touring band, this was kind of our how to manual. Now nothing we ever did was as intense as what Henry and Black Flag had to do in the 80s, but we knew a North Star when we saw it and this was it. Black Flag were like, like pilgrims as far as punk rock and hardcore music is concerned. They went out and they created. They didn't only just tour, they went out and they created a circuit that is still, still being used today. I mean, this is in the 80s, which is insane. And this book has it all. It's fantastic. I highly recommend it if you have not read it. Even if you could give a shit about punk rock or black Flag, Henry Rollins is one of the most entertaining writers that I've ever come across. He's fantastic. Now another one, one that I was surprised by recently is I Am Brian Wilson by Brian Wilson, a book that I read last year after Brian died and before hurrying out an episode on on Brian in a fit of inspiration. This book really blew me away. First of all, I already knew the story like the back of my hand before I read it. Most people do. But the telling of Brian's Story by Brian Wilson is about as honest and vulnerable a depiction as you could hope for in an autobiography. And the man's voice, my God, that voice. All the childlike wonder and unpretentious genius of the Beach Boys songs of the Brian Wilson songs that you, that you love. It's all on full display in every single passage in this book. This book, like the best songs by its author, will make you cry. It's great. I highly recommend it. This next book, however, will make you puke. And that's Marilyn Manson's the Long Hard Road out of Hell. I've read a lot of rockstar autobiographies and never have I read one like this. The man is practically begging to be hauled off to jail. Marilyn Manson, AKA Brian Warner, is an evil genius, and he really leans into the evil in this book, I took this information about as far as I could in our Marilyn Manson episode before completely grossing myself out. There's a lot in this book that I didn't get to. And, you know, there's a lot in the episode that's presented. You know, my point of view is not his point of view, especially on him, as you'll hear when you hear the Marilyn Manson episode, if you haven't heard it already. So check that out. The roadmap, however, for Manson's autobiography is Motley Crue's Dirt by my guy, Neil Strauss, which is kind of broke the mold for bad boy rock star tell alls. I didn't grow up a fan of Motley Crue or of hair metal or any of that lame ass spandex cliche, Sunset Strip rock and roll rockstar bullshit. I grew up on punk and hardcore. So these guys were the opposite of what I was into or even what I was willing to tolerate as a young man. As a young man. I get it now and I can take it now objectively. When this book came out, though, like I said, I was still a young man and I was still kind of, you know, in the throes of. Of punk and hardcore. And I read it anyways. And the only reason I read it was I was staying at my friend Julie, Julie Duffy's place in Manhattan. At the time, Julie was tour manager for like some huge artists. Like she still is. But at the time I think she was on the road with Justin Timberlake or John. John Cougar Mellon camp, something like that. Anyway, she'd be on the road all the time and she would just let me stay at her place on, on the Upper west side, which. Sorry, Upper east side. East side, yeah, Upper east side. It was great. Super generous. Thanks, Duffy. Still appreciate it, but I was there one day and I think I had a show that night or a meeting or something, and I. I had nothing to do. And she had this book in her apartment and I. It was one of those things where I just dropped my bag and I opened up the book just to check it, started reading and I just didn't stop until I finished it. I read, I read it all the way through. Just incredible. And I loved it. It is out of control. Okay, forget about the Netflix series. Forget about that. Read the book, okay? And then read the Manson book, if you haven't already. Because, you know, by Marilyn Manson standards, the Motley Crue autobiography is almost cute by comparison. Okay, these next two. I was trying to get my thoughts together about these next two. And I scribbled down this in my notes today. Chuck Berry's autobiography and Glow by Rick James. I was forced to reckon with a question that I'd encounter for the rest of my career. How the hell did these guys admit all this and get away with it and not end up in jail? I wrote that down too quickly because obviously if anybody knows it's me. They both went to jail. And the details in these books is the reason why. The more interesting question is how did they end up being sort of accepted back into, I don't want to say polite society, I guess with Chuck Berry, I mean, yeah, before Chuck Berry died, there was this massive event for him at the John F. Kennedy Memorial Library in Boston. I remember it. And a lot of Boston luminaries anyways were there and, and I remember just thinking like, I had a little FOMO because I wasn't there. And I probably could have figured out how to finagle my way in at the time, but I just didn't. But on the same, at the same time, I was also kind of like, what? You guys all know what this guy did, right? Like, you know, not right. I know, you know, you're too smart not to know. You know, we're just ignoring it. It's all in this book. It's crazy. It's crazy. And I know he invented rock and roll and I know that's a controversial statement. I didn't say it flippantly, I actually believe that. But yeah, he also did some pretty, pretty, pretty fucked up stuff and admitted to it and in a lot of cases didn't apologize for it. Rick James never really had it was never really involved with polite society, I don't think. Even, even in the 70s, I don't know, maybe, but not really. And then, but still, you know, after all the stuff with the, the abduction of women and the burning them with crack pipes and he's still Rick James, you know what I mean? Like, it was, he was still kind of a, a cultural touch point. And when you read this book in particular, Glow by Rick James, as opposed to Chuck Berry's autobiography, Glow by Rick James, which was finished after he died, if I'm remembering correctly. So it's not a pure autobiography. But man, man, oh man, what he admits to in the pages of this book are shocking, shocking. And I needed a break after I read it. That's how shocking it was. So those are a few. There's a ton, ton others, ton of others. If you're into mid century New York and Mafia history, then Tommy James's Me, the Mob, and music. That's a must read. Rod Stewart's Rod is surprisingly readable and smart. Keith Richards life is practically canon at this point. Also, Keith wrote it with author JR Moehringer, if that's how you pronounce it. JR Moehringer also has a memoir called the Tender Bar. It's about his life and it is incredible. Not a music book, but it's incredible. I think. I think that's the one that George Clooney and Ben Affleck. Affleck, Affleck, Affleck, Ben Affleck. Why can't I say that all of a sudden? Turned into a movie. The Tender Bar filmed it up in. Where'd they film it, Sean? Salem. Help me out. Is it Salem where they filmed. I think they filmed it in Salem. Somewhere up there. Haverhill. Something like that. Similarly, I believe Henry Rollins ghost wrote David Lee Ross autobiography, but I'm not sure about that. If anyone wants to track that down and let me know, it'd be super appreciated. And so here's. Here's a couple more that I'm just. I haven't read, but I'm psyched to read Carrie Brownstein's Hunger Makes Me a Modern Girl, Richard Hell's I Dreamed I Was a Very Clean Tramp, and Melissa of de Mars new 90s memoir. Even the Good Girl Will Cry. And I'm also related to that because Melissa was. In whole. I am stoked. I'm just stoked. Very excited to see this Courtney Love documentary when and if it ever comes out, which the rumors are it's coming out this year. Let's hope so. All right. But I think if you're asking me what my favorite musician autobiography or memoir is in terms of pure enjoyment, kind of an unconventional choice here, but I think I would have to say Beastie Boys book by Michael diamond and Adam Horovitz, which is about as inventive as you can get. That said, it's not just an autobiography. Yes, it kind of is. It's part memoir. It's also part oral history with accounts from folks who were there with the Beasties during their formative and, you know, the most impactful moments in their careers. It's also part scrapbook, it's part mixtape. It's just incredible. And the band doesn't shy away from their worst moments, specifically the honesty that they bring to the less than noble way in which they treated original drummer Kate Schellenbach or the embarrassing way in which they handled becoming the Dick Joke. That they were trying to tell with license to ill. All that said, if you're a fan of 80s 90s culture, you're not just hip hop music. Not Beastie Boys fans, whatever. You're just a fan of that history, that time in American culture. This book's great. It's just great. Truly great inventive storytelling. And it is worth a place on your shelf, if not in your beach bag this summer. Again, even if you're not a Beastie Boys fan, I wouldn't bring it to the beach. It's a good book. Good, like hardcover. You know what I mean? I wouldn't ruin it with all that sand and all that stuff. All right, so as you guys know on the subject still, Seth writes a bunch of stories in disgrace. And so there's a whole slew of musician autobiographies that he's read that I haven't, and some real classics like Peter Hook from New Order's Book and Robbie and Levon from the band, their books. And Seth is also the man who helms Hollywoodland, so he's read more memoirs and autobiographies from Hollywood than I have. But I don't think he's read Errol Flynn's autobiography. I also don't think he's read you'll never make Love in this Town Again like I have. So I'm excited to talk to Szeth about his favorites, including those from La La Land, not just for music. In the exclusive section of this after party coming up Shortly, go to DisgraceLandPod.com to sign up to become Disgraceland All Access members to unlock exclusive content like this, plus ad free listening. All right, looking ahead, as we just announced this week, rewind episodes are now hitting on Sundays, people. Okay, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. So this Sunday, while you're up, you know, up late in the morning, you know, making your eggs and bakey or whatever, shepherding your kids around in the car, chilling in the garden out back. Whatever you're doing this Sunday, fire up your podcast app. Check out a classic episode of Disgraceland. This weekend, we are headed down the seven mile road of excess and cocaine enemas with Stevie Nicks and the rest of Fleetwood Mac. You're going to want to be there with us. You're going to want to come on this trip with us, all right? And next week, next week after that, it is finally here at the launch of our new season, our new episode on Patti Smith. And I cannot wait for you to hear this opus that we've put together. It's about as true crime and rock and roll as you can get. And when you're listening, be thinking about your favorite rock and roll memoirs or music history autobiographies and come back to me with your recommendations, even if they're ones that we've already spoken about. Somet Getting consensus on a book is critical to getting someone to crack open said book, and I really want to inspire a solid summer reading list here for you guys and myself over the course of this this episode in the next after party. So next week's Question of the week is going to be which musician memoir or autobiography would you recommend? 617-906-6638 voicemail and text isgracelandpod on Instagram, Facebook and TikTok and sometimes x disgracelandpodgmail.com on the email machine. I will be back after this with your voicemails and texts, DMs and more.
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Jake Brennan
All right, back in the saddle down on the corner out on the street Sitting in the waiting room Aha. In the phone booth it's the one across the hall I'm hanging on the telephone with you guys 617-906-6638 let's check out what Lily has to say in Northern California.
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Lily from Northern California
This is Lily from Northern California just responding to the episode from last week about episode question about favorite movie soundtrack. And man, I have a couple in mind, but I think Adventureland is my favorite also. That movie is so underrated. But I mean the soundtrack really just has so many amazing songs like from the Replacement, Velvet Underground, Bowie, New York Dolls, Big Star. I mean, just incredible. And I just love that movie so much. I discovered it at a kind of a formative place in my life and it just has stuck with me ever since. And also, it's just such an underrated movie all around. Great cast, just great cinematography, everything. I love that movie so much. But some of my other picks for best soundtrack were Empire Records, Pump up the Volume, Pretty in Pink, Donnie Darko, 20th Century Women, I mean, and of course Almost Famous which is also one of my other favorite movies.
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Jake Brennan
Lily, thank you for the message. I think you were intending Szeth to get that message, but since Zeth and I have this soundtrack conversation that is ongoing, I thought I would jump in here because you mentioned Adventureland and I've never seen Adventureland ever. And I love your depiction of the movie and the soundtrack and your passion for it. And I am inspired to watch it now and maybe it will end up being an episode of our video podcast. This film should be played loud. So thanks for the message. I'm going to. When I talk to Zach, I'm going to let him know to check it out as well. All right, let's see what the 3, 2, 3 has to say.
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Jake from 323
Jake. There is no Brit pop without these two bands, Stone Roses and Inspiral Carpets. In fact, Noel Gallagher was the guitar tech for the Inspiral Carpets and wrote many of those Oasis songs while checking for the carpets. Also, you need to look into the Happy Mondays, specifically the recording of one of their albums in Barbados. They literally sold furniture from the recording studio to buy crack. Stories of driving cars to the front of bars. It's fucking wild. Anyway, love the show.
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323. Thank you so much for the message. You know, in Spiral Carpets, I did mention them. Actually, I don't know if I mentioned them in the Oasis episode. I knew Noel Gallagher guitar teched for them and that that's where the Oasis songs first came together. I might not have even mentioned them, but I did. I do remember reading about them in that research, but. Yeah, I hear. I hear you. On the importance of the band given. Given what they meant for Noel in Oasis and in Oasis lore. And I cannot wait to get into this Happy Monday story. You sound stoked. I'm stoked. It's going to be. I think. I'm not the next one. I research and write, but within the next handful. Okay, so that means it'll be out this year at some point. Thanks for the call. Three, two, three. All right, guys. 617-906-6638. You want to get in touch with me about anything? You can voicemail. You can text, you can call me. You can text me. You can email me. Disgracelampodmail.com Jason from the 416. Text in with. Hey, love the podcast. Happy anniversary. Listening to the latest episode and thinking about the rock and roll books that started it all for me. And it is. No One Here Gets Out Alive by Danny Sugarman and Jerry Hopkins. I remember reading it one Summer when I was in my middle teenage years, working as an attendant behind a desk in the change room of my local pool, handing out towels. In fact, I think all the guys that worked at the the pool read this book because we passed that old dog eared paperback around all summer. Since then I've read many rock and roll bios and autobios. So when I discovered your podcast Disgraceland, it was a no brainer for me and I've been listening ever since. Rocka rolla. No one here gets out alive one of the seminal biographies, rock and roll biographies about Jim Morrison. I think that's the book that Oliver Stone based most of the movie on anyways. And man, it must have hit you 416 at the exact right time. I feel like just teenage boys in the. I don't know how old you are, Jason, in the sort of 80s 90s. That was a sweet spot for being turned on to Jim Morrison from the Doors. Sounds like that's exactly what happened at the pool you were working at too. 774 texts in. Just finished the Dead Episodes. Good shit. I've been ahead my whole life. I grew up a hardcore kid in the Worcester area in the 90s. I wish cast Iron Hike had one more album. Would love another reunion. Thanks for all the enjoyment, Dan dan and the 774. Thanks, brother. That ain't happening, unfortunately. But it's nice to know people care and if you saw. If you went to see Cast Iron Knight back in the day. Thank you and happy you're a Deadhead. I like how I like that trajectory from punk kid to Deadhead. It makes sense. Doesn't feel like it makes sense, but Trust me, it does. 646 Good morning. Love Foo Fighters, but love Nirvana way more. Yeah, I guess taste is taste, right? You're gonna listen to something more than you're gonna listen to something else based on your taste. The more I've been listening to Foo Fighters and doing this research over the last couple weeks is the more. More I come to realize, you know, I'm kind of Foo Fighters first two albums, those are the records I like. I've never really. I've never sought out Foo Fighters music on my own to listen to after that until. Until probably the last few years. And every time I would hear a single, I'd just kind of be like the same for me. And what I realized is the singles that come, you know, on the third, fourth albums and beyond, they weren't necessarily made for me. They were made for the world at large. And they were made to be delivered on stage in stadiums. And I think what changed it for me was I saw. I've seen Foo Fighters live and that. That had a. That had a lot to do with changing it because I loved those songs that I previously didn't like hearing them live, the bigness of them. But even before that, before I saw them live, I saw that Wembley Stadium gig that they did. I think there was an HBO special or something that ran it and it was incredible. It's just amazing. And it really. It really gave me a new appreciation for the Foo Fighters. And. And I kind of didn't realize why until now because I'm so deep in it in the research. Anyhow, that's my take. I love Nirvana as well. I've gone back and I. And I kind of. I listened to Nevermind for the first time in a long, long time as an album the other night when I was waiting to get on the plane. And my God, it's so good. It's explosive. All three of the records are incredible for different reasons and they're all different. You know, it's like that. They're re those that run of records, man. It's just great. They're not repeating themselves in any way. But that one, that one. My goodness. 941 Text in Hey, Jake, absolutely love your show. Amazing work. I'd really love to hear an episode on Shannon Hoon and Blind Melon. Definitely the most underrated, beautiful band from the 90s. Thank you. Keep up the good work. 941. You are in luck. We've got a Shannon Hoon episode coming your way in a couple months. Sammy S A M I from the 765 texts in Hey, I know this subject is literally two years too late, but I love that in the Mariah Carey episode you specifically mentioned I'm real by JLo and Ja Rule. Because the drum beat at the beginning of each segment after a break in the bonus episodes always makes me think of the drum beat to the beginning of I'm Real and then that stuck in my head for eternity. Best Sammy S A M I Sammy I like the way you spell your name and I like that disgrace I got something stuck in your head. Makes me think we're doing. Doing our jobs right. 302 writes in. Really? No mention of Stone Roses. We talked about stone roses. 302 is referencing our after party last week on. On Brit Pop. And yeah, we mentioned Stone Roses. I mentioned them. I did. I think I said they don't belong on the list. Sorry, But I did think, I do think I said that I love Stone Roses, but they, they predate. They predate the era we're talking about. That's, that's why they got mentioned. But they weren't on the list. You know what I mean? 4:1:5 writes in. Hey, Jake, I am late to the most badass women in music party, but how can we leave out Dolly Parton? Not enough time to list the reasons why. Love the, the podcast. That's in the 405. We talked about Dolly Parton. Someone, I remember I read a text or an email where someone, someone called in and said, I don't remember what they said, but it was about Dolly Parton, I think. Or maybe that was just a conversation I had with somebody in person. It's all blending together. Yeah, I don't know how you talk about badass women in music history and not Dolly Parton. If I did that, I'm forever sorry because that's a huge, huge miss. Still trying to figure out how I'm gonna write a Dolly Parton episode and make it disgrace Landy. I think I have to go the Porter Wagoner route. I don't think I can do it just on Dolly because, you know, Dolly wasn't a Dolly didn't do much. You know what I mean? Not a lot of, not a lot of bad stuff there. Not a lot of darkness as far as I can tell. Melissa from the 619. I hear you on Anne and Nancy Wilson Santiago and the 214. Appreciate your television wreck for paradise on Hulu. I'm curious. If I get into it, I'll let you know. KB from the 802. In response to the question of the week, the most badass women in rock. It's either Joan Jett or Wendy O. Williams, man. A lot of people, lot of people, lot of people mentioning Wendy O. Williams and Joan Jett. 617-906-6638. You guys want to mention anything to me? Hit me up on text, hit me up on voicemail. You can also email me disgracelandpodgmail.com and you can hit me up at Disgracelandpod on the socials. All right, guys, listen, zeth and I, Dr. Lundy, that is, we're going to be doing television and movie recommendations. Some of them music based. A lot of them music based over in the wrap parties that are happening in the Hollywoodland feed every week. And I have got a show. Okay, I'm done with Love Story. I'm done talking about John F. Kennedy Jr. And Carolyn Bessette in the 90s. I'm not done talking about the 90s, but I'm done talking about that dumb show that I loved so much. And I'm now very upset it's gone. But I have a new show, and it's way better. And I don't have to tell people I'm watching it in hushed tones because I'm embarrassed by it. Not that I was embarrassed by watching Love Story. I don't give a fuck what people think about what I watch on television. And everybody deserves a good guilty pleasure. Who am I to deny myself of that? But this show that I'm watching is awesome. And I meant to watch it years ago. It came out about four or five years ago, I think, and I just missed it. I missed it, I think, because I didn't have my Hulu password or something. I don't know what the reason was, but I haven't even told Szeth about this because I can't wait for his eye roll. But I'm gonna convince him that it's great, and I'm gonna get him to watch it and hopefully get you guys to watch it as well. And there's some good music involved. Okay, that's gonna be happening over in the wrap party starting next week. We're gonna be doing our recommendations over there. Most of our recommendations, I should say, because before I get to the. Because speaking of Szeth in Hollywoodland, Zeth does the wrap party. Seth does the archive episode of Hollywoodland on that week's subject. Like, for instance, this week, it's Brandon Lee from the Crow. And then he comes in with a wrap party bonus episode where he does sort of his expanded take and talks to you guys and gets your feedback on that week's subject. Again, Brandon Lee. And then at the end of the week, he does what's called the screening room, where he tees up a movie that we're all going to be watching that weekend and talking about when he comes back the following week with the wrap party. Okay, so it's all kind of strung together there. And this weekend we're all watching the Crow with Brandon Lee. So there you go. That's what's happening over there. Get into the Hollywoodland feed on the Iheart podcast app, Apple podcasts, Spotify. Wherever you're listening to podcasts, make sure you subscribe to Hollywoodland. The recommendations are, in part, kind of low key. The thing I love talking about, you know, music and film together is kind of right up there, music and crime, obviously. But Rex you know what it's like, you get out, you see your friends. What are you watching? What are you listening to? You can't wait to talk about it. And Zeth and I are gonna start to do that with more frequency over in the wrap party. So make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland. Okay? One of the things I'm gonna start doing here going forward in the after parties are these song recommendations. I have found that in this attention economy that we're living in, I often like it when somebody recommends a song to me now rather than a new artist that I haven't heard. It's just so overwhelming. Like, where do you even start? You know what I mean? And everything's all messed up now because if you go to Spotify, you're not gonna. You're not gonna get introduced to an artist the way that you got introduced to it as a kid. You know, you're gonna get like their most downloaded whatever, which is. Could be just because it was covered by somebody, you know what I'm saying? So I like it when somebody just recommends a song to me. So that. That's been spinning around in my brain lately. The other thing that's been spinning around in my brain lately is I'm trying to not become a cliche, old guy, middle aged guy, whatever guy who's just grumpy about new music at the same time, I am grumpy about new music. You know, one of the things about being a man is as you get older, you have to fight the urge to sort of calcify into this version of yourself that never changes. You know, it's a stereotype. I'm generalizing. But men kind of, they just kind of get stuck in their ways more than women do. I have found, anyways. I've certainly found this with myself. It's one of those things I don't like about myself. You know, we get long lives, short lives. However you look at it, we want them to be the best lives, the most rich lives, the most robust lives. I know there's great music being made and being released constantly, but I do have real serious beef with modern music. And I've realized over the last couple weeks my beef with modern music is more about guitar based modern music, rock and roll. First of all, I just can't stand the fact that rock and roll, guitar based rock and roll is no longer part of popular culture. It doesn't dominate or lead popular culture the way that it did when I was growing up. And I can't do anything about that at the same time, you know, I've realized that what's happened to guitar music in the last two decades is this sort of mass movement toward recording in the box and recording with digital tools. And I don't mean just recording digital to pro tools instead of tape. I mean using digital plugins and apps as opposed to using outboard gear. And I don't want to bore you with the technicality of it all, but I can hear the difference. And it's a bum out. You know, when I listen to Led Zeppelin, that shit, fucking blasts comes to life. I was talking about this couple weeks ago, you guys. My kid wanted to hear the Bee Gees and Staying Alive came on and I was just like, oh my God, God, this is glorious. Not to mention the fact that everything is compressed by the time we hear it, you know, into ones and zeros on Spotify or Apple or wherever we're streaming our music, even on the radio, which has always been compressed. But anyhow, modern rock music suffers the most from this. And everybody's doing it. Basically barely anyone records to tape anymore except huge artists because it's super expensive. And God bless up and coming new artists, what are they going to do? They got to find a way to get their music out there. And that's just the economy we live in. That's just how things are done now. That's where we're at. But again, rock music suffers the most because we're used to hearing rock music be huge. Punk, hardcore, classic rock, all the shit we grew up loving. You know, if that's what you're trying to get at as a, as a, as a guitar based band now and you're recording in the box, you're kind of, you're never going to get that bigness. It's really difficult. And I don't like it, if I'm being honest. I can hear it in a second, I can spot it a mile away. And I don't like it because I'm just, I'm just not what I'm used to. Now on the other hand, when it comes to electronic music, electronic bass music, electronic based produced music, I don't mean like, you know, edm, I don't mean like Kraft work, you know, I mean like R B, hip hop, pop music, which for the last beyond two decades, the last four decades, they've been using drum machines for all the pop music I grew up with in the 80s and 90s that I loved, Madonna, you know, all that stuff was not reliant on big guitars, big sounding Guitars and big sounding drums. And if there were big sounding drums, again, it was. It was created artificially. So I find myself now walking through the world, walking into a restaurant or just walking down the street and hearing a car drive by with the windows rolled down. And more often than not, when I hear things now and I go, oh, what's that? That's interesting. It's often always pop music, top 40 music, and it's not guitar based. And I'm finally, for the first time in a long time, allowing myself to be curious about this and go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait. What is this? I kind of like this. Why do I like this? Oh, I like this because this is fucking awesome. It doesn't matter that they made it a year ago or two months ago or three years or whatever. It doesn't matter that it's pop music. It doesn't matter that it's R and B. It doesn't matter to me, because in the 70s I love the Beach Boys. Because in the 80s I love Madonna, because in the 90s I loved En Vogue and Sade and Seal. I didn't know I loved Seal until recently, but I loved. You know what I mean? I loved that stuff. I wasn't actively seeking it out, it was just there. And now when I hear it, I love it. So I'm not going to deprive myself of modern music just because modern guitar music is in a rut right now. Now the good news is I think modern guitar music is going to come back. I really, truly do. I think the way it's recorded is going to change. You can't, you know, when you record with all of these, you know, electronic, like I said, outboard gear and plugins and everything is in the box, everything sounds the same. And musicians are going to get wise to that because listeners are going to get wise to that and they're going to stop listening. And then we're going to go back to this sort of 180 degrees back to recording in big rooms in big studios. How we're going to do that, I don't know. But it'll happen, trust me. So all of that is a long way to say that. I'm going to start recommending. I'm going to do this thing with you guys every week called New Song, Old Song. Okay? I'm going to recommend one new song that I'm into and you can tell me if I'm crazy for liking it or you can tell me if you love it and you can recommend whatever New song or old song? You want to recommend me? I'm going to recommend one old song as well. Okay. The old songs are easy. There's a gazillion of them. And these. I'm trying to pick songs where I'm trying to maintain this vibe, the spirit of, like, you hear a song for the first time that day, and it just not only owns your day, it owns your week. You're like, fuck yeah, man. Where's that song? You grab your phone, I gotta hear that song. You know what I mean? That's what I'm going for here. So we're gonna do the new song first because that's gonna be harder for me, and then we're gonna do the old song because that's gonna be easier for me. You're gonna do the hard things first in life. New song. Ever since you left me, I went deaf. French Montana. I didn't know this about myself until about, I don't know, two days ago. I kind of love French Montana. I think there might even be a Disgraceland episode there, which I might even be excited to write. I don't know. But I love this song. It is fantastic. It's based on the Riff or that's the Way I Like it by KC and the Sunshine Band. It's nasty, it's dirty. It's gonna make you. It's gonna do what a great song on a summer day is supposed to do. It's going to make you want to drive fast and drink. Not necessarily in that order, or hopefully not in the reverse order, but you know what I'm getting at, right? It's a fucking banger. Ever since you left me, I went deaf by French Montana and someone called Max B. Who I don't know who that is, Released in this year, 2026. A couple months ago, January, from an album called Coke wave 3.5 narcos. I don't know what the fuck that's about, but it sounds pretty rock and roll to me. So that's the new song, the old song. Completely different. Totally different. What is that Foo Fighter song? This isn't the song. But what is that Foo Fighter song that goes, Ah, I'm a New day Rising. That song's okay. When I first heard that song, I went, oh, he got New Day Rising from Bob Mould. I guarantee that that phrase, new day rising is rolling around in Dave Grohl's head because of Whoosker do and Bob Mold and New Day Rising. Just a great song and a great album. Not what I'm Recommending. But I am going to recommend something related. I am researching Foos as I've been talking about and I watched that documentary and there's this part in like 2016. Ish. Dave Grohl turns, you know, part of his house into a recording studio. And they do that. That album, Wasted Light with Rope. Great song. That song's great. Rope by Foo Fighters. And lo and behold, there's Bob Mould in Dave Grohl's house recording with him. And it's awesome. It's great. It's great to see Bob Mould behind the mic singing his ass off in that way that only Bob Mould can sing. What a voice. But I went back and I looked at New Day Rising, the album, because I just can't listen to this record enough. It is non stop, no skips. Great. However, the song, the one song I'm pulling from this album to recommend to you, my old song recommendation is Celebrated Summer by Huskerdoo on New Day Rising. Now, if you haven't heard that song, I invite you to throw that on the old stereo and turn it up and roll your windows down. So there you go. New song. Ever since youe Left Me, I Went Deaf by French Montana and some dude named Max B. Forgive me, Max B. I know not who you are. Maybe someday I will learn. And New Day, Excuse me, Celebrated Summer by Whooskerdew. All right, check those out. Disgracelandpodgmail.com you want to email me any song recommendations? Any recommendations at all? Go for it. Got an email from an old listener here, John McNeely, aka Johnny Vinyl, who says, hey, I've been out of the loop for a bit on social media and podcast listening, but catching up with the less than handful of pods I listen to, which includes Disgraceland today, I was thrilled to see that you did wind up covering Mia Zapata, someone I'd suggested a couple years ago, and you said it would be a tall order. Well, you did her in the gitz justice. My eyes even welled up. Only a few episodes had ever affected me like that. When I got home from work after having finished the episode on my ride home, I had to put on Frenching the Bully. Don't know if you agree, but I've always heard bad brains in the riffs and breakdowns of the songs. Absolutely. And here's to your fuck. I've been a fan of both bands for decades and I know you're a huge Bad Brains fan. I'm stoked for the Patti Smith episode as she's one of my favorite people on the planet and the Foos episode. I was a big Dave Grohl fan and have made a complete 180 degree turn on those feelings for various reasons, but that's what makes me look forward to the episode. On a final note, my girlfriend and I started a YouTube channel called Spinning Flames where we break down an artist and album while trying out hot sauces. That sounds awesome, Johnny. Johnny goes on to say congrats on the 270 episodes. Thanks Johnny. Appreciate you. And I appreciate the kind words about our Mia Zapata episode. All praise needs to go to Zethelandy for that one. He wrote that one. He wrote the shit out of it. And as far as the Foo fighters and your 180 degree turn on Dave Grohl. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'll say. Yeah, you'll hear it. Couple weeks coming at you. Ty Gilpin on Instagram writes in Hey, I think the most seminal British band of the modern era, one that changed everything and one that truly launched what would later become Brit pop, has to be the Stone Roses. What a behemoth. And the Gen X landscape for Britain. Can't argue with that. Turnstile recently covered I Want To Be Adored by Stone Roses. It's pretty damn good. My old band Bodega Girls used to cover that song as well. I loved playing it live. It was so fun. What a great band. And I can't wait. We'll do an episode on Stone Roses at some point. Guys, if you're digging the show, you want to support the show, a couple ways you can do it, go to disgraceandpod.com sign up, become an All Access member or if you want to, you can can go on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and leave a review. If I read your review here on the show and you hear it and you hit me up 617-906-6638 I will send you some merch. Gotta be patient though. But the merch it will come. As they say x main 11 on Apple podcast writes hey, outstanding production, audio quality and research. This is some of the best free journalism on legendary rock stars and modern artists that you'll find. And he can listen to it. It can feel formulaic sometimes, but after all it's a show. Can't be too mad about that. Some episodes are a slice of life on a given artist and some span decades. And I mean the formulaic part, come on, that's on purpose. Sounds like you know that we try to give you what you want, what you can expect every week the same thing. And yeah, I like how you said some episodes are a slice of life on a given artist and some span decades given art conversation on emoirs, memoirs and autobiographies. This review feels particularly on point. 617-906-6638 get at me x main 11 and I'll get you something in the mail. You guys want to leave a review for Disgrace and you can do so on Apple podcasts and Spotify. All right, I'll be back after this.
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All right, again, All Access members, you get access to exclusive content like the conversation that Zeth and I are going to continue having right now on memoirs. Some from Hollywoodland, and some of them are pretty, pretty damn juicy. And I'm excited to talk to zeth. Go to disgraceandpod.com to sign up to become an All Access member if you're not already. All right, guys, we are back. And as you know, 260 plus episodes of Disgraceland. That's a huge archive. Marilyn Manson, Beastie Boys, Brian Wilson were some of the artists we mentioned in this episode. Matt. Excuse me, Sean, who's mixing this one is going to have the show notes. Excuse me. The episode information for those stories in the show notes here. And it'll be an easy way for you to find them. If you're interested or if you got questions on anything in our archive, hit me up. I'll try to get answers to you. Let's recap, shall we? Number one, this week, our special new season preview is available for you to check out. Right now you're going to get a. You're going to get a look into all of the stories that we're doing in the next couple months. A little bit of history on how Disgraceland came to be. You're not going to want to miss that. Our rewind episode, this is number two. Our rewind episode this week is Fleetwood Mac. That's a two parter. Fleetwood Mac part one and two next week. Yeah, that's right. Patti Smith. Ms. Patti Smith is coming your way, and I can't wait. I can't wait for you to hear this. Number four, zest giving you those Hollywood and crime vibes over in Hollywoodland. So. So make sure you are subscribed. Number five, this film should be played loud. I don't even think I mentioned that. That's our video podcast, and we got a new one on Big Lebowski that's available for our Patreon listeners right now. Become an all access member to check that out. Number six, 61790, 66638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or whatever else you guys want to talk about. And number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a command community, a community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do. And that is a disgrace. All right, which date to choose. It's a hard one this week because we did that little Disgraceland history in this week's special episode. So I'm looking back to the day Disgraceland launched on February 13, 2018. And here is what America was listening to on that day. According to the Billboard charts, number one, God's Plan, Drake. Last week. Not applicable. Peak position one weeks on chart one. Number two, Perfect Ed Sheeran last week. Two peak position one weeks on chart 22. Number three, Havana Camila Cabello featuring Young Thug. Last week. Last peak position. Number four. Number two, Post Malone featuring 21 Savage. Last week. Peak position weeks on chart. Number five and finesse uno, moms cardi B last week. Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it.
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