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Jake Brennan
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It's only available until September 30th, so order yours now at shopdisgraceland.com hey discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the Afterparty. This is the show after the show. The party after the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth. To confront the myth. To reclaim the story. On this bonus episode we are talking about Old Dirty Bastard and the body in the trunk of the car registered to a modern day hip hop artist. On this bonus episode we are talking about Old Dirty Bastard in the body in the trunk of the car allegedly registered to a modern day hip hop artist. We're rewinding back to our Dime Bag Daryl from Pantera episode Previewing next week's Led Zeppelin in the Haunting of headley grange part 2 episode we get into your voicemails, text dms and as always a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told. The kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. Balance in life is key. Too much of anything is harmful. I love the Beatles, and there was a time in my life when I loved smoking grass. But if I locked myself in my room all day, every day and did nothing but bong hits and listened to John, Paul, George and Ringo, the results would not be good. And I'm not saying I'd emerge from my bedroom all googly eyed with ideas about Armageddon, Race wars, like Crazy Charlie. No, that would require much more than just weed. That would also require lsd, dmt. My overall point, however, I believe holds. If all I did was listen to the Beatles and do drugs, I'd have less of a perspective on music, on life, on whatever. This is obvious, I don't have to tell you this. If all I did, if I. All I did was what I was doing all the time was healthy, if I was just lifting weights all the time and eating protein, those things in excess wouldn't be good either. You need balance. Okay, if all I did was watch violent gangster movies and eat popcorn, which is basically all I really want to do in life, I'd have a warped view on society and probably a little bit thicker. I'd be a little bit thicker around the waist. You need balance. If all I did was talk into this microphone to you guys and write and record stories about crazy musicians and ignore my wife and my kids in the process, I'd probably be more successful, but I would also be less happy in life. Balance. Balance. Balance. Balance. A couple of years ago, a teenage gamer from Houston decided to make his own music to accompany the YouTube videos that he was creating. Videos that were gaming montages displaying his Fortnite skills. Fortnite was his obsession. Music was secondary. But soon that unhealthy obsession with video games was transferred somewhat to music. And music became the thing for this young gamer. He released a song on TikTok, and that song blew up, and then another, and that song blew up. And within no time he was signed to Interscope Records. Now he has this burgeoning career and he took his foot off the gas a little bit and reignited his first passion, gaming. While making music, the artist never really abandoned his love for gaming, specifically for Fortnite, a violent but not gory game where cartoonish shooting. I've never played Fortnite, but for those of you who have, and I'm not entirely accurate, I apologize. But I did look into this today and I wanted to give you an accurate depiction of this. For those of you who don't know Fortnite. A lot of violence, but it's cartoonish, it's not gory. Certainly there are other video games that go way further with the violence than Fortnite. Fortnite is a game where cartoonist shooting and combat are at the center of the gamers action. The game is known to be highly, quote, unquote addictive. Okay, now if we're to believe some of the parents who allow their kids to play Fortnite and, and those parents who have raised concerns about their kids being consumed by the game, addictive is an understatement. Online there are numerous stories about kids completely disconnecting from not only their parents, but from reality over their obsession with the game. Fortnite kids so addicted that they literally cannot disconnect. They stop showering, they stop sleeping, they stop eating. I am not a psychologist, I'm not pretending to be, but you look, just go online, look this stuff up. Many have chimed in. There's lots of online videos from psychologists, from people in the medical field on the subject of the harmful nature of obsessive gaming. I'm not going to sit here and tell you video games are all bad. That's not what I'm doing. Okay, Again, it's about balance. And my larger point is this is specifically about Fortnite. So after hours upon hours of violently eliminating, you know, understandably in a non gory way, but still eliminating your enemies, it's not hard to imagine a twisted reality presenting itself to the gamer. I spent last weekend, I spent four days more than the weekend reorganizing my entire record collection. Every free moment I had was spent alphabetizing records, staring at records, moving records around, flipping through records, picking records up, putting records down, putting records on shelves, taking them off shelves. Records, records, records, records, records. When I went to bed at night and closed my eyes, I literally saw vinyl. Okay, you know what I'm talking about. Those of you who've worked on assembly lines, those of you who have done tedious jobs, you know, as part of your hobby or part of your labor, whatever it is, you know, when you do something over and over and over and over again physically, you close your eyes. That's what you see. The brain is impressionable. The brain is fragile. The teenage brain is not yet fully formed. The teenage artist that I'm referring to here, the one obsessed with Fortnite, his name is David, spelled D4, the numeral 4D4VD. In 2022 at the age of 17, David took a break from gaming and and allegedly started dating a 12 year old named Celeste Rivas. He also released a song that blew up online at the same time called Romantic Homicide. The lyrics go in the back of my mind I killed you and I don't even regret it. I can't believe I said it, but it's true. I hate you. A video for this song was released on Celeste Rivas birthday September 7th. In April of 2024, then 15 year old Celeste Rivas went missing. David continued with his career releasing an album in the earlier part of this year, 2025 through Interscope and touring couple weeks ago this month. In September of 2025, two towyard employees out in Los Angeles walked past an impounded Tesla and noticed a strong putrid smell. Authorities were called. The front truck of the Tesla was opened up and inside were the dismembered remains of the missing 15 year old Celeste Rivas. The car. It has been reported that the car was registered to David. Now David is cooperating with the police, but the Internet is not cooperating with David. His alleged online discord chats, some alleged to be with Celeste or about Celeste have gone public. I can't verify if they're true or not. I'm not going to speculate here. But hey, you're free to search this up online, they're easy to find. It was also discovered by online quote unquote sleuths that David has an unreleased song, allegedly and its title is Celeste. And it's been reported that Celeste's mother has verified that her now deceased 15 year old daughter had the same tattoo on her finger as David. That tattoo reads Shh. I don't know if this guy David had anything to do with Celeste Rivas's death, but I know that we're going to find out soon. And if David is responsible for the cruel and callous end to Celeste Rivas life. There's no telling yet why or how something like this could happen. But in these early days this case reminds me of the Aaron Hernandez case. The former New England patriot whose brain was so scrambled from PCP and weed that he turned himself into a homicidal sociopath. I was there when this news broke up in Boston. It was unbelievable. It was truly unbelievable. You just couldn't understand it. And now it's Understandable, because we've learned about his life. We learned about the drugs he was taking. We learned about the. The concussion stuff, the ct, all that. And there's something about how this story about Celeste Rivas and David is unfolding that just brings me back to those days. I don't know why Celeste Rivas was killed. I don't know if anybody knows why besides the killer right now. And like I said, I have no idea if all this information that's out there right now adds up to this guy David being responsible. I don't know what could compel somebody to do something like this. Even after all this time researching these episodes, trying to understand this behavior, I'm left clueless. Some murderers, I suppose, are just born bad. They're just born that way. There's evil, and evil is sometimes like water. It finds its way. I truly believe that. But I also believe that sometimes outside influences impress upon the brain in ways that are so strong that murderers are made. Now, is David a murderer? Again, I don't know. I'm not going to sit here and say that he is. Is he another musician driven to kill through some mix of hubris and perhaps video game induced violent fantasy and psychosis? I have no idea. But I have my theories and we're going to have more on this story as it develops because it's a fascinating one and, and I feel for the victim's family here. I haven't read. You know, I'm just going to stop because there's a lot out there. There's a lot to talk about here. But this case is so fresh and we have to be careful about what we talk about publicly. But I invite you all to look into this online and I'll keep bringing you news as it breaks, and eventually there will for sure be an episode on this story if David's involvement proves to be what people suspect it to be. This right now already, it reminds me of an old school Disgraceland episode. You know, the whole art imitating life thing with Tay K47 from season one. I don't like Tay K's music, and I don't like David's music either, for that matter. But there's plenty of music from Bad, Bad Men, as we say, and some women that I do like. And that's the subject of our recommendations section that Szeth and I are diving into later in the exclusive part of this episode for All Access members on Patreon and in app subscriptions. What music from truly deplorable artists do we still love and that we would recommend even it's up to think of it as like, yeah, I'm still, still watching, you know, still listening to XYZ by that guy who did that thing. But you know, I, I, I'm also recommending we're really pressing ourselves and challenging ourselves here with the whole art, verse, artist thing. Zeth is going to be approaching this from the film angle. We what films by or featuring demonstrably bad, bad men and maybe a few women can we not do without? And the answer to these questions, you know, I'll be answering the music side of it. Like I said, coming up in the exclusive section of this after party for our All Access members. Just $5 a month to become a member at Disgracelandpod.com membership before prices go up. All right, Old Dirty Bastard is in your feed right now. And you can use this episode, this ODB episode as your introduction to the 10 episode story that we did on Wu Tang Clan. Coming up next in your feed right after this. We're re to our Pantera and Dime Bag Daryl episode. And then, hey, it's October. So that means we here in Disgraceland are unleashing a ton of Halloween related content to keep you spooked all month. Beginning with our Part 2 episode on LED Zeppelin and the haunting of Headley Grange. Jimmy Page was on some other fucking level, people. You're not going to want to miss this. Nor are you going to want to miss our new episodes on Judas Priest, Pentagram and AC DC all coming in the next few weeks. And we're going to be rewinding our classic Halloween Disgraceland episodes all month on artists like the Cramps, Brandon Lee, the Misfits and more. All right. When that Part 2 Led Zeppelin episode hits, though, like I said, an episode about Headley Grange, the haunting of that studio. I want you guys to be thinking about your run ins with haunted homes. Haunted anything, really. What are the spookiest things that have ever happened to you guys? Run ins with ghosts, seances, Ouija boards, life after death experiences. Anything can be about you can be about, you know, your, your family, your friends. Anything spooky that's happened to you, let us know. Let's kick off this October, right? You don't have to be Jimmy Page to give me a call and give me your answers, but just call and let me know. 617-906-6638 Spookiest shit that's gone on in your lives. You might hear yourself on next week's afterparty. I'll be back in a flash with your answers to last week's Question of the Week. 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Jake Brennan
All right, I've been doing a lot of complaining lately about the lack of current quality music biopics and documentaries, but it's not all bad. I should mention, just for balance, okay, that I caught some of the Live Aid documentary series at CNN ran and I got pulled into it. Not enough to compel me to seek the series out and watch it on my own as opposed to just catching it while surfing channels. But again, I did get pulled in and that's saying something. And I don't want to just be a negative Nancy out here talking shit all the time. I learned some things. I learned some things about Phil Collins. I learned a lot about Bob Geldoff that I didn't know. If you're interested in this time period pop music, since this is well worth your time, all right, I was thinking about how I would have made that doc, however, on the same subject. And I should mention that though I'm railing weekly against the corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine Kasm. Hey, we have shirts, by the way. The fact remains that if a studio is going to pay me to make a music documentary and give me an opportunity to explore music history using my storytelling skills, I'm going to jump at the chance. I'm not trying to be some cross punk version of a podcaster here. I'm trying to be the best fucking storyteller I can be in whatever medium makes sense and to reach as many people as possible. And it's mainly because of what we've been talking about here. Modern music culture bores the hell out of me. Yet music history is something that my life is centered around and I know that's the same same for you guys as well because you tell me so every day. Crooked Rain got at us over on Patreon and hipped us to this David Byrne directed movie, True Stories. We were talking about greatest rock and roll movies. I've never heard of this. Jackie on Patreon. She wrote I love this community. All the wrecks that have taken me out of my music listening film, watching Comfort Zone, discovering new gems and rediscovering stuff I haven't listened to for ages. I'm sure we are all open to more, especially from you. Quieter discos. I know some of us are very, very vocal, but please don't be shy. I encourage you to please give us your recommendations and thoughts. And you know, when Jackie posted that, the comments underneath that post filled up with recommendations from the disco community, including an audiobook I've never heard of, narrated by Ghostface Taylor, I believe recommended that there's a book, an autobiography by Ronnie James Dio. I didn't know about this. I never heard of this. Recommended by Kathy M. If Modern Music culture if modern music culture, if it bores you, okay, if you're interested in obsessing over music history with like minded obsessives, then jump into the chat on Patreon and introduce yourself to the larger disco community. As I mentioned before, joining our little club is only five bucks a month and not only gets you into the Patreon chat here that I'm talking about, but unlocks exclusive content and ad free listening. Sign up on Patreon or subscribe through your Apple podcast app. All right, I'm in the phone booth at the moment, the one across the hall, hanging on the telephone. It's crowded this week. Let's check out this message from the 808. Where the hell is 808? Hawaii. Anyway, let's listen.
Caller/Morty
Hey, how's it going? Love the show.
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I just saw. Listen to your bonus episode and you were talking about that somebody did two episodes on the Grateful Dead and not knowing you might have done it. But Fish, Trey Anastasia, keeping in the jam band scene, he had a rough time, almost died with addiction. And Fish is kind of a crazy ass band. Love them or hate them, some people do. Some people think they're cheesy, but I think it's definitely an episode that you should make.
Caller/Morty
Thanks. Have a great day. Aloha out here in Hawaii, my friend in the 808.
Jake Brennan
We are currently at this moment putting together a Fish episode as we speak. And of course right here as we're doing it, there was this news about a fatal stabbing at a fish show in Virginia last week. This is not part of the story that we were planning on telling. Similar to how the bum fardo piece of the Jimmy Buffett story wasn't something that really fit into our episode. So we've got this problem. We've had this problem since the beginning of time. How do we cover all the interesting bits in these artists stories? And next week I'm here to tell you now that we're gonna have an announcement next week on how we're gonna be dealing with this issue. It's a solution that's gonna result in something cool for you guys. So keep an eye on your podcast feed for that info. But yes, 808, we've got a fish episode and even more fish content coming your way. All right, let's hear from morty in the 276 on Great Rock and roll movies.
Caller/Morty
Hello, Jake, this is Morty from the 276. I've been listening to both Disgraceland and Hollywoodland for months now. It keeps me well entertained while I work the graveyard shift part time at Cracker Barrel. It's fantastic. I just want to say a rock and roll movie that would. That should be mentioned is beyond the Valley of the Dolls. Rose Meyers joint just. It's rock and roll to the core. It's a parody of Hollywood. You got all female group rock band before there was female rock bands. The soundtrack is just kick ass, you know, I can't believe nobody's mentioned it, but yeah, I think that should be mentioned. Which was made back in 1970 and was supposed to be the sequel to Valley of the Dolls, but became something totally different. I guess that's all I got. Talk to you later. Bye.
Jake Brennan
Morty, my man. Thanks for taking us with you to work at night. Grateful to be keeping you company on those long overnight shifts. I'm sad to say that I've never seen beyond the Valley of the Dolls. Are you kidding me? I know. Disgraceful. I need to see it. Maybe I can talk my wife into watching it with me this weekend on your recommendation. Thank you, Morty. Let's read this text from the 914 on the same topic. This is Stace answering your question about rock and roll movie recommendations. My number one is train spotting. That opening scene of a gangly young buzz cut, Fuzzy headed Ian McGregor running down the street to Iggy Pop's lust for life is nothing short of iconic. And of course, that choose life monologue delivered by a junkie has lived rent free in my head since the film came out in the mid-90s. What's more rock and roll than heroin? Okay, love your pod. Been listening since its debut and even won a poster for tweeting about it, which I forgot to collect, but I'm sure the ship has sailed. Psych. Here is my plea for more coverage of female music artists behaving badly. There's got to be more out there than Amy Winehouse. You know what? And she says Lana Del right. You're right. She says pps. I absolutely loved how you framed the Britney episode. Truth is better than tabloid fiction. Stace. We're putting together our programming for next year. And two things we're going heavy into stories about women. In the past, the problem has always been that women just aren't as fucked up as dudes and they haven't behaved as badly. But however, I found a way in, and the second piece here that you might appreciate is we're working on a way to bring you guys more fully into the process of helping us choose these stories. So we'll have more on that soon. But headline more female artists coming your way in Disgraceland programming. All right, 302 writes in. In 1978, a movie came out called American Hot Wax. I was all of 6 or 8 years old when it was released on television, so I may be misremembering some things, but it was about Alan Freed and probably my introduction to rock. It's got all the bangers in it and Screamin Jay Hawkins performance in it blew my mind, but it had all the good stuff. Teens dancing in Defiance, races mingling with each other, and cops trying to shut it all down. Another great one was released in 1980ish called Times Square. Great soundtrack. Two young girls escaping a mental health hustle hospital and in general, raising hell and upsetting the public. I've heard of American Hot Wax. I've probably seen clips from it. Never heard of the 1980 ish film Times Square, but I'm highly intrigued. This sounds fantastic. I love that era of New York. I just love looking at it on film, especially when there's some sort of pop, punk rock and crime angle to it. So I'm going to check Times Square out. 302. Thank you very much. You're. You're. I don't know why, but Times Square, 1980ish reminds me of over the Edge, a great rock and roll movie that's not about music that came out, I think late 70s, might have been 78, 79. Matt Dillon's first movie or second movie. I don't know, maybe Tex was his first movie. It's one of those. But it's fantastic. Incredible soundtrack. Over the Edge. Check that out. And check out Times Square on recommendation from the 302. And oh, before I go, speaking of over the Edge and beyond the Valley of the Dolls, we have new hats and T shirts that would fit well on the characters in both of these movies. That means they'd look good on you as well. All right. But you got to move quick because our trucker hat or just Say no to Chasm shirts and our hoodies. They're going bye bye in a couple days. This merch sale comes to an end on September 30, perhaps even earlier if sizes and supplies do not last. So hit up Shop Disgraceland to grab yours or just head over to our website Disgracelandpod.com I'm running out of time right now, so no emails this week. Maybe I'll read them on the Patreon chat in a video or something in a couple days. I'll be back in a flash though. Hang tight.
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Jake Brennan
I love palm trees. Newman. I love Paul Newman so much. What an incredible actor. 2008 when he died I was driving home from a gig in New York with my band Bodega Girls and we were driving through Connecticut and we got home way late or early in the morning I should say. Went to bed, woke up next day Found out he died. And I've always thought, I don't know, this is so silly and stupid to think, but. But driving home from New York to Boston, I always thought maybe Paul Newman passed away as we were driving through Connecticut. And I don't know why that matters to me. I have no reason for it at all. It's just a weird little trivial thing that I always think of when I think of Paul Newman. I have great affection for the man as an actor. Slap Shot is one of my favorite movies of all time. And Paul Newman is the subject, as you know of, or some of you know of, this week's Hollywoodland episode. And here's a little taste of our man, Dr. Lundy talking about Paul in this week's Hollywoodland rap party episode.
Dr. Lundy
Robert Redford and Paul Newman were very similar when it came to philanthropy. You know, Redford was all about the environment. Newman was all about people, specifically about sick kids, kids with serious illnesses. He started this company, Newman's own, in 1982, which was a food business that began with just salad dressing and eventually moved on to like pasta sauce, olive oil, pizza, popcorn, cookies, coffee, tea. I'm sure you see this stuff in the supermarket all the time. Quick shout out to his pasta sauce, Sakuruni, which is an all timer for me. But anyways, my point here is that when he started this company in 82, he was laughed at. It was like, look at this vain actor putting his face on a salad dressing label and all that. But then when people saw what it was really about, that this company was putting 100% of their profits into programs that benefited kids with serious illnesses, that benefited school food programs, it was like, holy shit, no. No actor has ever pulled this off before. And keep in mind, the nonprofits that Newman's Own helps fund includes this network of summer camps for kids with serious illnesses that was founded back in the late eight. And according to one camp counselor who worked there, Paul Newman would visit every week just to hang out with the kids, not for photo ops with the press, not for a pat on the back. He did it because he just believed in what the company was doing and he believed in helping other people. And you know, this isn't to say the guy was perfect because he wasn't part of being authentic like that is that it's a, it's a warts and all thing, you know, and if you want a really in depth look at that, I highly recommend you check out this documentary series that was on HBO from a few years back called the Last Movie. Stars, which is about Paul Newman and his wife, Joanne Woodward, directed by Ethan Hawke.
Jake Brennan
Guys, make sure you're following Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. Paul Newman had this ornery side to him that I just loved. And like I said, he lived in Connecticut. Connecticut is technically New England. I think of it more as New York. I don't think Paul Newman was a New England sports fan, but that ornery side of him would have fit perfectly for the Patriots nation right now. God. Trying to root for the Patriots this season. All right, before I get too far, I got to tell you that the 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds is once again sponsored by Five Hour Energy. Five Hour Energy shots bring tasty caffeine in 17 flavors. Head to your local retailer, www.fivehrenergy.com or Amazon to order yours today. Guys, I don't live full time in New England anymore. I'm in a different part of the country. I tell folks I'm a Patriots fan and they laugh. They laugh. I'm not even joking. One guy at a local church event last week asked me if the Patriots were still even in the NFL. This is before. Before Sunday's game where they turned the ball over 10,000 times. This team is an embarrassment, and I can't get over how far we've fallen. I can't get over how good we had it back in the day. Brady Belichick. I can't believe this is what we're left to root for every fricking Sunday. Matt, how'd I do?
Dr. Lundy
28 seconds, Jake.
Jake Brennan
Nice work. All right. At least somebody in New England knows how to put together a W. That was the sports rant sponsored by five Hour Energy. Enjoy a variety of bold flavors with as much caffeine as a 12 ounce premium cup of coffee, but zero sugar and and zero crash. Give your caffeine a flavor upgrade with five hour energy shots. Get yours in store and online at www.fivehourenergy.com or Amazon today. All right, as promised, mine and Z's conversation on bad, bad men who make great, great music and movies. Some women too, maybe, perhaps, I'm not sure. Music and movies we're recommending to you. Okay. We're not just qualifying it by saying, yeah, you know, he was a fuck up, but you know, even some good. We're telling you what is exactly they made that you need to listen to. And ideally, it's stuff that you haven't listened to or watched. And we're hopefully bringing shining a light on some content that you're not familiar with that's coming up right now to get in on that hot nuanced art versus artist action. However, you gotta go to disgraceandpod.com membership and sign up to become an all access member to unlock this content. All right. You're also unlocking more exclusive content and ad free listening all for just five bucks a month before that price goes up. So sign up to become an all access member now for just five bucks a month on Apple and Patreon before prices go up. All right, we are back. We're about to land this plane Mentioned a bunch of disgrace land subjects in this episode as we do every week. And we, we want to point you guys to the archive. You want to hear stories on who'd we mentioned today? Tay K47, talking heads. We mentioned in the exclusive section, we talked about Miles Davis, talked about the killer Bill Wyman. So you can hear episodes on all those artists and their respective bands, groups, et cetera in the archive. Matt will have in our show notes, he'll have the episode info so you can easily navigate your way through our 250 episode archive. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one, this week's full episode on oh Dirty Bastard. It is available for you right now. Number two, next coming up in your feed is our Dimebag Darrell episode Dime from Pantera. That's in the rewind spot. Number three, coming next week, part two of our Led Zeppelin story, the Haunting of headley Grange. Number four on Hollywoodland right now, Mr. Paul Newman. Number 561-790-66638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or talk to me about whatever else you want to talk about. All right? Get at me. Number six, don't forget guys, this isn't just content, it's a community. A community for the obsessed, for the discos. No one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, on November 13, 2004, old dirty bastard passed away. Here's what America was listening to on that day. According to to the billboard charts, number one, my boo usher and Alicia Keys. Last week, one peak position one weeks on chart 10. Number two, drop it like it's Hot. Snoop Dogg featuring pharrell. Last week, seven. Number three, Goodies Sierra featuring Petey Pablo. Weeks on chart number four, Lose My Breath, Destiny's Child last week three peak position three weeks on chart number five over and over Nelly featuring Tim McGraw last week five peak position five weeks on chart five number six quit talking and start mixing. Cut it Limu and Doug Limu and I always tell you to customize your car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. But now we want you to feel it. Cue the emu music. Limu Save yourself money today. Increase your wealth. Customize and save, we say. That may have been too much feeling. Only pay for what you need@libertymutual.com Liberty Liberty Liberty Liberty Savings Ferry Unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates Excludes Massachusetts.
Host: Jake Brennan
Release Date: September 25, 2025
In this After Party bonus episode, Jake Brennan delves into the developing and disturbing saga surrounding rising hip-hop star D4VID and the shocking death of Celeste Rivas, drawing broader connections to themes of obsession, art versus artist, and the perennial struggle between myth and truth in music history. The episode also features listener call-ins, recommendations for rock music films, and a preview of upcoming Disgraceland and Hollywoodland episodes—including a sneak peek at the Paul Newman story. The discussion is raw, provocative, and unwavering in its mission to “confront the myth” and “reclaim the story” behind music’s most infamous characters.
[09:47] Origin Story of D4VID
[11:10] D4VID and the Celeste Rivas Saga
[14:32] Jake’s Reflections and Parallels
[17:41] Teases a nuanced segment (All-Access exclusive) evaluating music and films made by “truly deplorable” artists—inviting listeners to confront the personal discomfort of loving art created by troubled or immoral figures.
“What music from truly deplorable artists do we still love—and that we would recommend?” [18:07]
[25:21] Fish Fan in Hawaii:
[26:47] Morty from 276 (Cracker Barrel Worker):
“I just want to say a rock and roll movie that should be mentioned is Beyond the Valley of the Dolls...the soundtrack is just kick ass.” — Morty [27:01]
[27:54] Text from “Stace” (914):
“What’s more rock and roll than heroin?” — Stace [28:08]
[30:15] Listener from 302:
[31:40] Brennan responds:
[34:44] Dr. Lundy describes Paul Newman’s authenticity and philanthropy—how his company, Newman’s Own, funneled 100% of profits into supporting kids with serious illnesses:
“It was like, holy shit, no actor has ever pulled this off before...he did it because he just believed in helping other people.” — Dr. Lundy [35:26]
[36:41] Jake reminisces about finding out about Paul Newman's death and waxes poetic about Slap Shot and New England identity.
On Balance and Obsession:
“If all I did was talk into this microphone to you guys and write and record stories about crazy musicians and ignore my wife and my kids in the process, I’d probably be more successful, but I would also be less happy in life. Balance. Balance. Balance. Balance.” — Jake [06:15]
On the D4VID Case:
“I don’t know if this guy David had anything to do with Celeste Rivas’s death, but I know that we’re going to find out soon. And if David is responsible for the cruel and callous end to Celeste Rivas’s life...There’s no telling yet why or how something like this could happen.” — Jake [13:57]
Art Versus Artist:
“Some murderers, I suppose, are just born bad. They’re just born that way. There’s evil, and evil is sometimes like water. It finds its way. I truly believe that.” — Jake [15:30]
On Female Rage in Music History:
“The problem has always been that women just aren’t as fucked up as dudes...but however, I found a way in, and the second piece here that you might appreciate is we’re working on a way to bring you guys more fully into the process of helping us choose these stories.” — Jake [29:45]
True to DISGRACELAND’s irreverent, confessional, and boundary-pushing style, this bonus After Party explores real, dark musical scandals with a mix of curiosity, suspicion, and empathy. Brennan brings listeners into his own ruminations—never shying from uncomfortable truths, and always wrestling with the question: must we lose our love for art when artists are monsters? The community-driven element is strong, with Brennan uplifting listener suggestions and inviting all into the “disco” fold of obsessed, truth-seeking music heads.