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Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. Here, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the After Party. This is the show after the show. The party after the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt on this bonus episode, we are talking about Metallica and the highest selling artist of all time. We begin our double down into suspicious celebrity deaths and of course your voicemails, texts and more. And as always, a whole lotta Rosie. Alright discos, let's get into it. Metallica is the most successful heavy metal band of all time, but when all is said and done, they might end up being the most successful band of all time, which is very hard to appreciate if you're of a certain age like I am. Metallica are of course as mainstream as mainstream can be. They pack stadiums. They are celebrated by fans from multiple generations. Parents of course bring their kids to the shows. Teenagers nowadays willingly rock the Metallica logo on their T shirts and backpacks just like they did back in the 80s and the 90s. Metallica was prominently featured a couple years back on Stranger Things, one of the buzziest zeitgeisty TV shows of the past couple of decades. Metallica are a mainstream institution not just in America, but all over the world. On the list of the top 20 best selling heavy metal albums of all time as compiled by the this Day in Metal blog, which cites the RIAA data, the Recording Industry association of America. That list again of the top 20 best selling heavy metal albums of all time, there are seven Metallica albums and five of the top six positions on that list are occupied by Metallica albums. It's a fascinating list for metal and non metal heads alike and I want to get into it just a little bit. A little bit here to set up the point. I'm trying to make. So in reverse order the list. Number 20, slipknot self titled album, which I gotta admit, I'm not a big Slipknot fan. I never was. So this came as kind of a surprise to me. And then Pantera's Vulgar Display of Power, which is at 19. This seems low to me. I thought this record was a huge seller. I would have thought Vulgar Display of Power would have been Pantera's best selling album. More on that in a bit. Black Sabbath's Master of reality is number 18, also kind of a surprise. But then again, it's hard for me to properly place Sabbath on any commercial list given how despised they were by critics during the 70s. So the context is very weird with this band. For me, despite their influence and just how fucking amazing 1970s Ozzy Osbourne era Black Sabbath is. Number 17 is Deep Purple's Machine Head, which I totally don't get. Mainly because I never really got into Deep Purple. I don't even really understand their significance in the heavy metal genre. I know people ride hard for them. I know they have significance. But again, it's sort of. It's sort of escaped me for whatever reason. That's my own thing. I'm not. I'm not dissing the band at all. It's my own ignorance. Number 16 is priests screaming For Vengeance. This one seems like it's slotted in the right spot. Number 15 is holy diver by Dio. This seems way too high. I can't believe this album has sold more than the aforementioned efforts by Priest, by Sabbath, by Pantera. Especially kind of a shocker here. Number 14 is cowboys from Hell by Pantera. Now also a surprise, mainly because I would have thought the Vulgar Display of Power would have sold more than Cowboys From Hell. Nonetheless, this is a better record and I'm happy to see that the market agrees with me here and that it's higher on the list. Number 13. Mega shocker for me. Megadeth's Countdown to Extinction. Man, I totally underestimate Metallica's ex band member Dave Mustang's Megadeth. This album went double platinum all the way back in 1994, after it had only been released for two years. It came out in 1992, the middle of 1992. So really just a year and a half, I think, before it went double platinum, it almost entered the chart at number one. Think of that Megadeth entering the Billboard. Not like the hard rock chart or the. The metal. I don't think there is a metal chart. Maybe there is. I don't know, but there. I don't think there was back then in the 90s. But just imagine, like, Megadeth's Countdown to Extinction. Just any Megadeth album entering at the number one slot, which it came so close to doing, but it was kept held down at number two by me, Billy Ray Cyrus, who of course, was huge back at the time. My mind is blown by this one. It's as baffling to me, this Megadeth album selling so much as the next album on this list in the number 12 slot, which is Tools. Forgive me, Tool fans, if I pronounce this the wrong way. The name of the album is Lateralis. That's how you say this, I'm sure. Lateralis. Okay, come at me, Tool fans. This is an album I've. I've never even. I've never heard, okay? Which is. Which is awful to say, man. Tool are a real band. I get that. But it went trip. This. This album's gone triple platinum. Okay, that didn't go. It didn't go Triple Platinum until 2021. But unlike Megadeth's Countdown to Extinction, this Tool album did debut at number one. I just do not get this. I mean, Tool is one of those bands that just seems like only dudes. Like, I mean, do women like Tools? If there are any women out there who like Tool, write to me, please, and tell me why you like Tool. I want to understand. I mean, I know why I like Tool. There's actual Tool records that I like. And I know now I'm gonna catch a lot of shit from some people, because Tool's one of these bands that is incredibly divisive. Like, people just think they're incredibly lame or they're way into them. I kind of straddle the fence, I guess. I'm rare. I was into Tool when they came out. I saw them on purpose a couple times. But to me, they just seem to have such limited appeal, despite how good they may be. It's just incredible. I'm not shitting on Tool. Like I said, I like Tool. I've seen them. But they're quirky as fuck. And it's hard for me to see or understand how they have sold so many records. It makes me happy that they have. So, yeah, score one for the weirdos. This is good. Next up in the number 11 slot is Metallica's Reload. Then another Tool album at 10, and Enema, Rob Zombie's Hell Billy Deluxe at number nine in the list of top selling heavy metal albums. Tools. Undertow, another triple Platinum seller, unbelievable tool. I had no idea. That's at number eight. And then from here on out, the list is pretty much owned by Metallica, with one exception. At number seven is Kill Them All. And then a brief departure here from Metallica. At number six, Black Sabbath's Paranoid pops up. But then it's straight Bay Area thrash from here on out. Metallica's Load, which is the one with the ridiculous record cover. I'm not suggesting, by the way, that these are Bay Area thrash albums. I'm referring obviously to the Bay Area roots of Metallica. Number four, Master of Puppets. Great album cover. In contrast of course to Metallica's Load, Number three, Ride the Lightning, number two, and justice for All. And number one of course is Metallica's self titled album, also known as the Black Album. So Metallica basically owns the top 20 list of highest selling metal albums, which is isn't surprising. They sold a total of 175 million albums, which is a ton of records. But where does that put Metallica on the list of highest selling musical artists of all time? And this is where it starts to get interesting for me. So with 175 million albums sold, Metallica doesn't even crack the top 10 list of best selling artists of all time. The Beatles are number one, Michael Jackson number two, Elvis Presley, three, Elton John, four Madonna, five Queen, six, Led Zeppelin, seven, Rihanna at eight. Rihanna, who had Rihanna at eight? I had no fucking idea. Pink Floyd at nine, Rolling Stones at ten. Metallica's 175 million albums sold puts him somewhere between AC DC and Beyonce in the number 15 slot. Ahead of the Eagles, ahead of Garth Brooks and Britney Spears, but behind Taylor Swift, behind Whitney Houston, behind Mariah Carey, behind Eminem. Now if you eliminate solo artists from our equation here, and you look at just the top selling bands, the top selling groups, okay, Metallica's influence, their significance, I should say, in rock history, interest in commercial music history, it becomes much more illuminating. The Beatles of course, are the top selling band of all time. 600 million estimated albums sold. I don't even know how they, how they come up with that number because I mean, Beatles albums are, I mean between the European versions, the American versions, the collections, I mean there's so much. But again it just the number we gotta go by. We gotta go by the numbers here. 600 million is what is estimated to have been sold by the Beatles. No one's ever gonna touch that. But they are followed by Queen, and the Queen slot on this list is questionable. I found a lot of Lists that don't even have Queen in the top 10. And I think the reason the list that I'm going with here includes Queen and I've seen others that include Queen as well, is because Queen has had massive sales in the last few years due to the biopic that came out with Rami Malek. And I think also Queen's one of these, one of these classic rock bands that has really benefited from social media, has really benefited from music licensing in the last decade alone. So I think they have sort of inserted themselves into this conversation, but I'm sort of discounting them because it's not, it's not 100% solid. Led Zeppelin is third here, okay, of top selling bands. Beatles, Queen, Led Zeppelin, okay? Then Pink Floyd, then the Rolling Stones and then Metallica. Metallica are solidly on the top 10 list of highest selling bands of all time when it comes to record sales. And they're nearing the top five, which if you take Queen out, they're in the top five. But I'm not going to do that. Unbelievable to think of, okay, for Metallica, a band that was so niche when they started, you got to think, you know, when the Beatles start, when Queen starts, when Led Zeppelin starts, when Pink Floyd starts, when the Rolling Stones start their ambitions, their aspirations are almost solely commercial, okay? They are just gunning for the charts at the time, all right? Everything they were doing in terms of how they were being marketed and how they were being promoted was geared towards selling records. And the same cannot be said for Metallica. Metallica were a niche band. They were a sub genre of a sub genre of a sub genre, okay? In this week's full episode on Metallica, we talk about how the band spoke almost exclusively to burnouts and wastoids, counterculture thrash metalheads, like this band, okay? Like again, a subgenre of a subgenre of a subgenre. They were thrash, which was a subgenre of heavy metal, which was a subgenre of hard rock, which was the subgenre of rock and roll. You know, when Metallica's first albums came out, they were. They were on an indie label. They were not at all, they weren't making videos. They weren't even thinking about FM airplay at the time, all right? No one, and I mean no one Back in the 1980s saw Metallica's World dominance coming. If they tell you now that they did, they're lying. Or their name is Nostradamus. And here's the reason why. Because every single reason why Metallica did anything that remotely smacked of commercialism. Their fans skewered them, okay, but nonetheless, Metallica kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And to this day, they are still growing. The rule is that, yeah, you get to make your move to sell out, and it can work and you can grab new audience, but you're ultimately going to lose more than you gain in the end. Your new mainstream fans, they're eventually going to abandon you. And the original fans that you alienated for commercial success will never come back. But that's not what happened with Metallica. And that's because their quote unquote sellout moves weren't actually sellout moves at all. They were just a reflection of who the band was. At the time. When the band dared to slow down parts of their songs on Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets to forego Speed for Groove, a part of their fan base claimed that they were selling out. When they made a video for their song, one from that Injustice for All album. A massive record, right? A huge portion of their fan base at that time was horrified at their beloved thrash band's blatant commercialism. Metallica made a music video, and for a ballad nonetheless. All right, people were pissed. And then on the Black Album, when they brought in Motley Crue in Bon Jovi's producer, Bob Rock, so many fans bailed and never came back. I was almost one of them. But Metallica never bailed. They kept doing exactly what they wanted to do. And slowly, but but surely, even after the explosive worldwide success of the Black Album, in part directly because of Bob Rock's production and influence on the band's songwriting, Metallica grew and grew and grew. And like I said, they're still growing. 45 years into their career with no signs of slowing down. They made a record with Lou fucking Reed that people hated. Almost everyone who heard it shit on this record. Even people who haven't heard the record still shit on the record. Look at the comment section of the Metallica post I just made on Instagram. It's ridiculous, but it doesn't matter, okay? Metallica has persevered. They still sound great. They still look great. They're in their 60s, but they're healthy. The heavy metal hedonism is in their past. They seem hell bent on continuing to move forward like that insatiable great white shark of an institution that they turn themselves into. If Metallica has sold out, Metallica has sold out in the best possible way by their own accord. So I guess it wasn't really selling out at all. The result was 175 million albums sold and counting. Led Zeppelin has sold 300 million albums. But you got to remember, Led Zeppelin started selling albums 12 years before Metallica did. Before all is said and done, might Metallica catch up to Led Zeppelin in sales? Might they catch up to Queen? If that Queen number is even correct, I don't know. But if they don't stop and they keep doing what they've always done, if we wake up 20 years from now and Metallica is the Rolling Stones of our generation, they're still on stage, they're still selling out stadiums, which, frankly, I can see happening. I don't see them slowing down. I think they got a chance, maybe. I don't know. Who knows? 175 million, right? Who knows? They're still packing out stadiums, man. Guys, this is nuts. It's crazy, and it's all because they've done whatever the hell they've wanted to do. And that spirit of doing whatever the hell they want is deeply ingrained in Metallica going all the way back. And of course, best represented by original bassist Cliff Burton, who is the focus of this week's full episode on Metallica, which I hope you check out, if you have not already. Next week's episode of Disgraceland is on actress Brittany Murphy and her highly suspicious cause of death. And as you go into that episode and are listening to it and you start to hear about how Brittany Murphy supposedly died, I want you guys to think about the deaths of other entertainers that strike you as false, that are suspicious. There are a lot. We talked about this, of course, with the Marilyn Monroe episodes. I'm doubling down on it here because he's the facts around Brittany Murphy's death are just highly suspicious. I want to know what you guys think. They don't get as much play historically, of course, as Marilyn Monroe because Britney Murphy wasn't as big of an entertainer and never will be. But I want to hear from you guys. Which celebrity causes of death strike you as most suspicious? Which celebrity causes of death are you calling bullshit on? Call me at 617-906-6638 to let me know. Leave me a voicemail, send me a text, hit me up on the socials at Disgraceland POD and I will be back in a flash.
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Okay, with Cliff Burton's death at such a young age being the focus of this week's Metallica episode, we asked the question, which modern artists can't you afford to lose? And why? And what do they provide for you that makes them so indispensable? Here are some of your answers.
Listener Callers
I just listened to the Metallica episodes and an artist that I just can't live without today is Jason Isbell. I don't know, it must have been about 10 years ago I accidentally played the song Live Oak from his Southeastern album. And just by accident after that, I went back and I listened to the entire album then again on repeat over and over again. And after that I had a reason to listen to Americana and country music again. Then after that came the album Something More Than Free and then the Nashville sound, then reunion and now recently Weathervane. And you know, it just speaks to me. Having listened to Waylon and Willie and Old School country for a long time with my dad, I think that's what it takes me back to. And I really appreciate that. So Jason Isbell's music really, really speaks to me. And thank you for the opportunity to talk about it.
Jake Brennan
All right, three, one, zero. Thanks for the call. Jason Isbill seems like a good guy. I'm going to check out Live Oak on my drive today. Incidentally, guys, I am still on the road for an extra week here that I did not plan for my family and I took off about five weeks ago. Now, two weeks of it was a working, I was working while we were away and two weeks of it was a vacation. So I've been kind of quiet on the socials, been kind of quiet in the chat. I've been popping in this week. I was supposed to be fully back in. We're supposed to be home. But for those of you on the east coast, you know, there's this massive storm that hit the Southeast. Our flights were totally canceled and there were no flight. There were no flights at all that seemed reasonable, that seemed like they were actually going to happen. So we ended up driving down. We've been driving for two days straight trying to get home, trying to drive around this storm. I'm in a hotel recording this episode right now. I am not in the booth as you can probably hear some funky sounds in the background here. But yeah, looking forward to the final drive today. And I will check out Jason Isbell. And guys, I am so looking forward to being back in my studio and just, you know, back on the socials, back in the chat, making all the content on a day to day basis as I'm used to doing. It's been kind of sporadic and I'm ready. I'm champing at the bit, as they say. And that's champing, not chomping. Okay, let's check out this voicemail from the 812.
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Hey Jake, it's Mike calling back again from the 812. In response to your question about which artists could I not bear the thought of living without, I immediately turned to Bruce Springsteen. His body of work is incredible and amazing. He has written music that has filled so many parts of my Life and meant so much to me in so many ways during so many different times. And yeah, I just could not bear the idea of a world without the Boss. Thanks for all that you create and we'll talk again.
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Rocka Rolla Mike, I hear that. I don't know what we do without Springsteen either. He, like, Metallica, is an institution. Funny, we've never had a Bruce Springsteen, Metallica collaboration in any form. There's some pretty awesome footage. I don't know if you guys have seen this in the Internet. It's this. It's Bruce playing. I think he's in New Jersey or Manhattan. I think it's Manhattan. Or it might be la. And there's footage shot from somebody's cell phone camera back side stage. And it's of all the celebrities watching Bruce play. And this, you can. You can see like maybe 12, 15 people there. And among them is Lars from Metallica, Chris Rock, Sting, I believe, a couple others. It's really fascinating, but I could see some sort of Bruce Springsteen, Metallica collaboration. There's also some interesting news that came out a couple years ago now, not too long ago, might have even been less than a couple years, that Dylan, Bob Dylan is a huge Metallica fan and that he's seen them multiple times. That he just sort of quietly goes to the shows himself. Fucking love that story, man. Love it. But thanks for your text. Sorry, your voicemail. Mike on Bruce. If I'm going to answer my own question here, and this is a hard one to answer, because if I'm being totally honest, there's not a lot of modern artists that are making music currently right now that speaks to me on such a heavy emotional level where I would just be kind of like just. Just annihilated if, if they, if they passed away. I'm not trying to sound hard or crass or anything, but that's just the facts of it. I. I'm not. I'm not that moved by. By modern music. Not to say I'm not moved by modern musicians. I am, but, you know, it's like Metallica. I love Metallica. I've grown up with them, as I've said, you know, talked about ad nauseam and, and, you know, if they passed away, if James Hetfield, God forbid, passed away or something like that, I would be really fucked up over it. I'd be really sad. But it's not like I'd be sitting there going like, oh shit, what am I going to do without that next Metallica record? So I think of it as I Think of it in a little different terms, I guess. I think about it in terms of like, who's going to leave the hole? And I guess for me, the answer, I mean, James Hetfield.
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Yeah.
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I mean Metallica, that's. That they. They'd leave a huge hole. It would make me feel like I'm. Like I'm getting very, very old if Metallica suddenly wasn't here. But I think someone like perhaps Dave Grohl, you know, the guy, he's just, he's been with me, I feel like even when he wasn't with me, you know, even before Nirvana, when Nirvana hit, one of the first things I was asking myself was, who the fuck is this drummer? And then turns out he was in a hardcore band. You know, he's in Scream and it's just like, oh my God. Like he's a DC hardcore kid and he's in the biggest rock band on the planet. And then of course, Kurt dies and then the Foo Fighters come and Dave turns himself and the Foo Fighters into an institution. And I think he's sort of been there the whole time with us. And that loss would be a tremendous one for me to take emotionally for reasons that go beyond music. So that's my answer. Let's check out a couple texts here. This one from the 940. Jake. The Metallica episode was primo, my man. I know you said in the past that you were done with the multi part episodes, but Metallica could have been one of those candidates for a two or three part deep dive. That said, the artist said, I. I can't live in the world without his. Maynard James Keenan. Yes, the band Tool has an amazing history. A Perfect Circle is amazing. And Pucifer just turns music in its head. But Maynard as an artist and an individual is like a cult leader. You have to dig into his history from Boston to Michigan, to serving in the army, going to LA to become an interior designer, to becoming one of America's most respected winemakers. Dig in and check him out. Best and Rocka Rolla. Casey. Casey, Great text, man. I'm reading it for obvious reasons. It's very apropos for everything we've been talking about in this bonus episode. Metallica. Yes, there will be. I can't stop doing. First of all, I can't stop doing two part episodes. The problem is I just got to figure out how to release them. It's. It's hard. It's hard to figure out how to release the two part episodes because you kind of get dinged. You don't kind of get. You don't get the credit for it. I don't want to go into the details. But anyhow, this Cliff Burton, this is really a Cliff Burton episode. And there's so much of Metallica's history that I want to dive into research wise and I want to bring to you guys. So there will be more Metallica episodes at least in a second, perhaps a third. Okay. On Tool. Thank you. You know, I knew. I knew Maynard has a Boston connection. I believe he lives in the same neighborhood I lived in at a different time in Davis Square, Somerville. I could be wrong. That was a long, long time ago. When I saw Tool in Boston years ago, I remember him specifically cutting down Somerville residents, which I thought was hysterical at the time. A lot of people didn't think it was funny. I, of course did. I will look, I got to get into Tool. I got to get into the history of Tool. I got to find an angle in to do a Tool story. That's. That's my takeaway from the engagement this week. So I appreciate this. 1940306 types in. Hey, heavy Metal Parking Lot. Yes. Back in the weird era between the death of video rentals and before streaming, I rented through the mail a DVD of this show. And there was a bonus doc where they found some of the iconic concert goers. I wish I could find it again. Anyway, love the podcast. It's like listening to one of my friends in the garage chewing on wild pop culture moments in our lives. Keep on being rad. From Blondie. Blondie. You got it. 306. You got it. Great text. Appreciate it. Davis writes in. Hey, Jake, it's Davis from the 51 4. I've been an All Access member since day one and I love every minute. How about offering mini episodes to us members? I like the idea of a 5 to 10 minute episodes of specific events in music history. That way you don't have to tell a full story. You just get to talk about a specific event. That's particularly disgraceful. Sounds fun to me. Take it easy. My man. Rocka Rolla Davis. Great text, man. Great idea. I've been chewing on something that's kind of similar to that. And this kind of gives me. Gives me some more color and more context to continue to kind of roll this idea around in my head. Appreciate you. Appreciate the All Access members. Guys, you want to become an All Access member like Davis? What he's referring to is this All Access member club we have. I talk about it every week. It's you go to Disgracelandpod.com membership. You're going to get ad free episodes. You're gonna get a free episode every week and some other goodies as well. Trying to figure out how to make this more valuable for you guys, for you all Access members. Trying to figure out if what we are offering is valuable enough for you, if perhaps we should be doing something else. I'm not sure that's what Davis is referring to. Okay, you can also hit us up. As you know, grisgracelandpod on Instagram, on X Facebook, TikTok, hepcorechris on Instagram writes Ronnie James Dio was a hard one to get over and he of course is answering this question to to what artists can't you live without? And I bring this up because I was shocked at Dio's place on the list of top selling albums of all time. And in the Instagram post I did on Cliff, it was either the reel I posted on Cliff Burton yesterday or it was the Metallica. Just a straight post in the grid. Someone had made a similar comment. Forgive me, I don't have your handle in front of me at the time, but a similar comment about Dio, you can read it there. And I'm just a little shocked to see the DL love. I really truly am. I did. You know, I love this though. I love that. You know, I'm learning the depths of appreciation for bands that I just kind of knew were there. And I know people are into them, but I didn't realize had the emotional connection to you guys. Dio being one tool being the other, I think. Guys, Is there a Do episode there? Let me know. 617-906-6638 Uncle Jesse's twins writes where's the merch? Well, listen, Uncle Jesse's twins, the Merch is at www.gracelandpod.com merch. I want you guys to stick around a bit. I'll be back. On the other side I've got some merch for some winners. Some folks of y' all who have been shouting out Disgraceland, leaving reviews for us, get some merch. I'm gonna announce those winners on the other side. Taking a.
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Guys, we are back. As you know, you can leave a review for Disgraceland on Apple Podcasts or on Spotify. Every week we find one of these generous reviewers and as a, as a form of gratitude, we send out some merch, some free merch to these reviewers this week. Let's see what we got here. This is week. I wanted to read this review on Spotify from Mr. Dot Son of Jack As a longtime Metallica fan how long? My friend Danny gave me a tape copy of their demo that he got when he visited California. I don't know who Danny is, but I like this review. I've seen them over 30 times, bumped into Lara's and James and New York nightclubs and of every album, the first five on vinyl and their submissions to the Metal Massacre album series, this is probably one of the best episodes since in my opinion your best episode, which is Princess summed up in three words. You nailed it. Thank you Mr. Son of Jack. Hit me up Mr. Son of Jack. You can hit me up on Spotify. Just comment on your post here. You can hit me up Disgracelandpod. You can call me 617-906-6638. Lots of ways to get in touch. Let me know you heard this and we will get you some free merch. Appreciate this over on Apple Podcasts Sunbury writes madly entertaining. Jake is a wonderful storyteller. I've learned so much about artists and actors that I thought I knew. This is my go to POD for working out or for walking by far. Sunberry thank you for the review. I appreciate it. Guys, Apple Podcasts Spotify hit us up with a good review. You're gonna get some free merch like Sunbury and like Mr. Son of Jack. Guys, get in touch. We will hook you up. I wanna read this email here disgracelandpodmail.com okay hit us up. You want to email. This one is from Emily Keffer. I like this one. A couple after parties ago we were talking about our formative years. This one comes from Emily Keffer and the subject is formative years. Messages hey Jake, heard you talk about how 1990 was a big formative year for you. That year was also a significant time for me, specifically the summer of 1990. I was just about to enter the seventh grade, I read the Outsiders and my young eyes got to see Tommy Lee doing his drum solo over the crowd before landing back on stage sporting his leather thong and proceeding to moon the crowd as a coming of age preteen that was exciting. Let's not forget the Judas Priest suicide trial that happened that year which had to do with teen suicide. Also, one of my all time favorite movies came out during that time called Pump up the Volume starring Christian Slater. Thanks for all that you do. You help me get through the hours of monotonous work. I love your show Emily. Thanks for the email. I appreciate it. I too saw a Pump up the Volume in the theaters when it came out, I was also all of us, all my friends and all of us were shocked, shocked and horrified by the Judas Priest suicide trial. I remember that as being earlier than 1990, though, but maybe I'm just misremembering that. And the Tommy Lee thing with the drum kit going out into the audience and the, you know, it was just a revelation. It was like one of those things that went around the neighborhood. Everybody was talking about it when it started to happen. That was the Theater of Pain tour, which also I remember as being pre1990. But you know what? I think he might have debuted that little trick on the Theater of Pain tour and then ended up just continuing to do it at shows. Emily thanks for the email, guys. Hit me up disgracelandpodmail.com on the emails. You can respond to any of these questions. We're talking about any of these topics, any of these themes, or you can just hit me up, talk about whatever you want to talk about. All right guys, this episode is nearing its end, but the after party is going to continue for our All Access members, which I mentioned before. You can sign up today. You're going to hear an extended version of this after party. I got a nice little story on Lars Ulricht and I'm excited share with you an alleged story I should say. You know, All Access membership. It also gets you, you know, in addition to this free portion of the bonus episode here, you're going to get ad free listening. You're going to get an extra full episode per month. All you got to do is go to Disgracelandpod.com membership. Foreign.
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all right, welcome back. I'm about to get out of here, but before I do, before next week's Brittany Murphy episode, guys, there's going to be a rewind episode from our archive popping up in your fees. We have so many episodes in our archive. We talked a lot about top selling artists today. In this bonus episode we talked about the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Madonna and Pink Floyd. All artists that are on the list of top 10 selling artists of all time and are all artists that we've covered in Disgraceland. We have nine episodes on the Beatles, but episodes 73 and 74 from February and March of 2021 are. Two of my favorite Beatles episodes are available in the archive for you to listen to right now. Our Led Zeppelin episode. That one came out back in October of 2019. That's episode 39 in your archive. Madonna. I love this episode because it's kind of a love letter to early 80s New York City. This episode came out around the same time as that Zeppelin episode from the same season. Also came out in October of 2019. The Madonna episode for you guys is episode number 42 if you're interested in our Pink Floyd episode. Episode 107 came out August 9, 2022 and it is also ready for you in the archive to check out. So that brings us nearly to an end folks. So let's recap this. Number one right now in your feed. A brand new episode on Metallica. Number two coming tomorrow, special rewind episode from our archive and we are talking Brittany Murphy next week and celebrity causes of death that we are not buying that are suspicious. I want to know which celebrity causes of death sound too suspicious to you? Guys, hit me up 617-906-6638 and tell me Call me on the telephone or send me a text or hit me up at disc Graceland Pod on the Socials Number three Merch winners get in touch. You know who you are. Number four Remember, no one cares about great storytelling more than you do and, well, that's a disgrace. All right, in honor of the great Cliff Burton from Metallica, this is me reading to you the Billboard charts from the week of September 27, 1986, the week Cliff Burton died. Number one stuck with you Huey Lewis in the news last week 1. Peak position one weeks on chart nine number two friends and lovers Carl Anderson and Glory Loring last week 3. Peak position two weeks on chart thirteen number three Dancin on the ceiling Lionel Richie last week 2. Peak position two weeks on chart eleven number four walk this way number three run DM Serum last six peak position two six number five number seven forget number. Six Revolution. Quit talking and start mixing.
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Date: August 8, 2024
Main Theme:
An energized analysis of Metallica’s commercial dominance, the evolution of heavy metal’s place in mainstream culture, fan perceptions of authenticity, and the broader context of best-selling musical acts. The episode is interspersed with interactive listener calls, texts, and bonus show banter typical of DISGRACELAND’s “After Party” format.
In this bonus “After Party” episode, host Jake Brennan dives deep into the question: Could Metallica become the most successful band of all time? Drawing from the week’s main episode on Metallica and the story of bassist Cliff Burton, Brennan explores the band’s chart performance, their unique path from niche metal subgenre to international superstardom, and broader questions about authenticity and longevity in rock and roll. The episode features listener contributions about artists they can’t live without and closes with community engagement, music history callouts, and nods toward upcoming episodes on suspicious celebrity deaths.
(03:06–18:30)
Metallica's Shift to a Mainstream Institution:
"Metallica is the most successful heavy metal band of all time, but when all is said and done, they might end up being the most successful band of all time, which is very hard to appreciate if you're of a certain age like I am. Metallica are of course as mainstream as mainstream can be."
(Jake Brennan, 03:14)
Generational Appeal:
Metallica now draws multi-generational crowds, with parents bringing their kids and teens embracing their logo—a marker of rare crossover.
Cultural Touchstones:
Their connection to shows like Stranger Things shows relevance across decades.
RIAA Data & the Best-Selling Metal Albums List:
Drawing from the "This Day in Metal" blog and RIAA data, Jake runs through the top 20 best-selling heavy metal albums, highlighting that Metallica holds seven spots and dominates five of the top six—demonstrating their monumental sales.
Metallica's Numbers:
"Metallica basically owns the top 20 list of highest selling metal albums, which isn’t surprising. They sold a total of 175 million albums, which is a ton of records."
(Jake Brennan, 17:58)
(18:30–21:30)
Metallica’s Place Among the Legends:
Despite their 175 million albums sold, Metallica sits around #15 on the all-time selling artists list—behind The Beatles, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Rihanna, Eminem, Taylor Swift, among others, but above the Eagles, Garth Brooks, and Britney Spears.
Top Bands Only List:
"If you eliminate solo artists...The Beatles, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, the Rolling Stones and then Metallica. Metallica are solidly on the top 10 list of highest selling bands of all time when it comes to record sales."
(Jake Brennan, 19:47)
Contextualizing Metallica's Start vs. Others:
Unlike their chart-topping forebears, Metallica “were a sub genre of a sub genre of a sub genre...they were thrash, which was a subgenre of heavy metal, which was a subgenre of hard rock, which was the subgenre of rock and roll.”
(20:30)
Their commercial rise was unanticipated by everyone—industry, critics, even fans.
The Sellout Myth & Fan Dynamics:
Every ‘mainstream’ move was viewed with suspicion by early fans, yet Metallica’s authenticity and refusal to chase trends for their own sake let them expand their audience without losing their core.
"Every single reason why Metallica did anything that remotely smacked of commercialism, their fans skewered them. Okay, but nonetheless, Metallica kept getting bigger...their quote unquote sellout moves weren’t actually sellout moves at all. They were just a reflection of who the band was at the time."
(Jake Brennan, 21:37)
Longevity & Ongoing Influence:
"45 years into their career with no signs of slowing down...it’s crazy, and it’s all because they’ve done whatever the hell they’ve wanted to do."
(Jake Brennan, 23:34)
Looking to the Future:
Could Metallica catch Led Zeppelin (300 million albums sold) or even Queen, depending on how their numbers are counted? "They’re still packing out stadiums, man. Guys, this is nuts."
(Jake Brennan, 23:34)
(24:10–24:56)
(25:12–33:01)
Jake opens the floor to listener responses: Which modern artists can’t you afford to lose, and why?
Jason Isbell — His music provides a bridge to Americana, reminiscent of classic country.
(Caller, 25:13)
Bruce Springsteen — “I just could not bear the idea of a world without the Boss.”
(Mike from 812, 27:48)
Jake’s own response:
"If they passed away, if James Hetfield, God forbid, passed away, I would be really fucked up over it...Someone like perhaps Dave Grohl...That loss would be a tremendous one for me to take emotionally for reasons that go beyond music."
(Jake Brennan, 30:40–31:20)
Maynard James Keenan — Deep dive requested by Casey, excited about his "cult-leader" influence and multiple musical projects (Tool, A Perfect Circle, Puscifer).
(Listener text, 33:01)
Ronnie James Dio also gets tribute for his enduring fan impact.
(33:01–41:43)
Suggestions for more Metallica deep-dives, All Access member perks (“mini episodes”), and memories from 1990 (Outsiders, Tommy Lee’s drum stunt, Judas Priest trial, Pump up the Volume).
Quotes & Moments:
(45:52–48:53)
Upcoming Main Episodes:
Community Engagement:
Music History Finish:
Reads the Billboard Top 5 from the week Cliff Burton died (September 27, 1986), in honor of the late bassist.
"Number one: Stuck With You, Huey Lewis and the News. Number two: Friends and Lovers, Carl Anderson and Gloria Loring...Number four: Walk This Way, Run-DMC...Number Six: Revolution..."
(Jake Brennan, 48:08)
On Metallica’s transformation:
"No one, and I mean no one, back in the 1980s saw Metallica’s World dominance coming. If they tell you now that they did, they're lying. Or their name is Nostradamus."
(Jake Brennan, 20:36)
On fan reactions:
"When they made a video for their song, 'One'...a massive record, right? A huge portion of their fan base at that time was horrified at their beloved thrash band's blatant commercialism. Metallica made a music video, and for a ballad, nonetheless. All right, people were pissed."
(Jake Brennan, 22:17)
Longevity of Metallica:
"If Metallica has sold out, Metallica has sold out in the best possible way by their own accord. So I guess it wasn't really selling out at all."
(Jake Brennan, 23:12)
True to DISGRACELAND's vibe: irreverent, fast-talking, community-oriented—mixing deep musical knowledge, personal anecdote, and sharp, wry humor. Brennan’s language is conversational and candid, pulling no punches on either nostalgia or critique.
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