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Jake Brennan
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Jake Brennan
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Jake Brennan
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Jake Brennan
Hey Discos, need a little more Disgrace Land in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland Bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the After Party. This is the show after the show. The party after the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard are to dig into the dirt. Our mission? To uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode we are talking about this week's full episode subject Nikki Sixx, Part two of our Motley Crue saga. We're rewinding back to our Pink Floyd episode, previewing our upcoming episode on Waylon Jennings. And we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the story. Stories they didn't want told. The kind you end up telling to someone else. Alright Discos, let's get into it. Oftentimes when I'm writing a Disgraceland episode, I'm not only thinking of you guys, I have an image of what you guys look like now. I don't know a lot of you personally, but some of You, I do. Some of you I've met in person at events. Some of you I'm more familiar with from the Patreon connection that we have in the chat. And of course, I get a sense of who you are and what you look like from our interactions on social. Now, some of you are horn rimmed, glasses wearing librarians, and some of you are tattooed truck drivers, and some of you are everything in between. What connects you isn't how you look, of course, whether that's similar or dissimilar. What connects you is your curiosity. You, like me, are obsessed. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Obsessed with music, obsessed with great storytelling, obsessed with the truth. Because the truth is far more interesting than the basic PR approved or AI generated or basic AF creator drivel that we're getting in our feeds these days, be it on social or even from the new documentaries and biopics that we're getting from the streamers. As somebody who deals pretty much exclusively in music history, this is very discouraging for me, okay? There's so much more to these music history stories. You saw Gimme shelter, you've seen 24 hour party people. You know what great music storytelling is. You are cooler than your average basic music listener. You know that Most of the stories about the musicians you love, the ones the algorithm is feeding us, are sanitized, spun, safe narratives cleaned up by some unholy union of sentimental dramatists and tightly wound entertainment lawyers, made for modern tv, not for mythology. But the truth is that the myth is way more entertaining than what they're giving us. These motherfuckers are everywhere too, okay? The corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine. My YouTube feed is an abomination of shit. Wrote creator in AI storytelling. Yes, Mr. YouTube. I like music, sure, but I don't need 17 different avatars trying to explain to me who the fucking Beatles are. I get it, okay? Oh, you see me? You say you want to offer me something perhaps a bit more niche. The reason the Beatles stopped touring. I'm good, dude. I don't need a millionth explanation on how the screaming girls were too loud. If you're not talking about Japanese assassins at Budokan trying to take out George and Ringo. I'm clicking next and I'm guessing that you are too. The streamers are even worse because they have the money and the means to make great content. And what do we get? It ain't good. The documentaries are boring. I know the stories. I know them as they're unfolding on the screen in Front of me. The biopics, they often leave out the nasty little bits. And even when the story is bonkers, they blow it. These days, chaos on Netflix was a massive disappointment. Now, I don't blame Errol Morris or Tom o'.
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Ryan Seacrest
Neill.
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Jake Brennan
I can tell that the doc was noted to death by executives and it missed on all the magical storytelling in the book and definitely could have been made to be great if the executives got out of the way and let the storytellers do their thing. I don't know about you guys, but the corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine, this blob that I'm referring to here, that I'm gonna call casm. All right? C A S S M. Again, corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine. C A S S M. Kasm, AKA the Divide Between Us. And great stories. See what I did here? This thing, this blob, it's taking over, okay? And it makes me feel. It's freaking alienating, man. Because of you guys. I know there are hundreds of thousands of people out there who are clamoring for the true stories from music history. I don't need to be made to feel by Mr. Chasm here that I'm alone or that I'm a freak for caring about the fact that John Lennon was into Barbara Walters and hung up on Bruce Springsteen. These are the details I want in my storytelling. Because like you, I'm curious. Because like you, I want more interesting stories. Because like you, I'm smart enough to know that the truth is more interesting than the sanitized. Because like you, I'm cool enough to know that Chasm, the corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine, is the problem, not me. And that the solution is, well, better stories from music history anyways, in this case, the stories we tell to each other every week, the stories you not only want to hear, but that you want to tell the stories they don't want told. Now, all that said, the trailer for the new Jeff Buckley documentary dropped today, and I am nothing if not hopelessly hopeful because the trailer for It's Never Over. Jeff Buckley, directed by Amy Berg. It looks incredible. I have high hopes, hopes that this film gets to the core of. Of this incredible artist and deliver storytelling that's worthy of such a legend. Again, I'm hopeful. Despite my opening rant here, I'm not cynical, okay? I watched the trailer for this documentary and I literally got emotional. I felt something akin to actual loss. I'm not joking. I didn't know Jeff, but I feel connected to him for a lot of different reasons. Some of you do, too. I'm sure we discussed these reasons already when we released our Jeff Buckley episode a couple years ago, or whatever it was. And, you know, some we'll discuss in the future once this movie drops. We'll get into all of it. But the loss of Jeff Buckley was as tremendous as his explosion was onto the scene. And I can't wait to get a deeper dive into that whole thing, into the whole myth of Jeff Buckley with this documentary. Now, on the subject of emotion, okay? If you were alive in the 1990s and watched any of the footage from last weekend's Oasis Manchester gig and didn't get emotional, then you are dead inside. Somebody call up the fucking mortician and get him over to your place. These guys, legends. All I know, if you saw these videos like me, you were just. I mean, the fomo, if any of you. If any of you were there, by all means, call me up 617-906-6638. I want to hear about it. But the FOMO I had was unreal. The fucking audience screaming every word to every song for two hours straight. It's sealed this thinking for me that I've been noodling on the last couple of weeks. We want connection more than ever. Modern music now. This isn't Grandpa coming at you here. This isn't like, Old Head hardcore guy coming at you here. This isn't my generation. That's not what this is. Don't take it that way. Modern music doesn't connect us the way that artists that we love from the past connected us. It has nothing to do with taste or style or who's good or who sucks. We simply just don't rally around bands and artists now like we did then when there was a monoculture. When we get a peek back into what it was like then, when these songs, when these artists bring us back to that place, like what Oasis is doing right now. It's hyper intense, hyper emotional. It's not nostalgia we crave. It's the type of connection that was once everywhere, but has been obliterated by the algorithms, okay, that siphon us off into these tidy little niche feeds where we only connect with those who are exactly the same as us. I mean, this is why I cover artists from every genre. This is why I cover artists that I'm not particularly interested in, because I'm curious, because I feel like I'll get into something that will be interesting and that will, in turn help us tap into something together and we'll have this other type of connection. I don't want to be siphoned off into my own tiny little niche feed, okay? This connection that we're seeing at these Oasis gigs, this is also why young people are showing up in droves to these concerts with these guys who were making music before they were born in some cases. And it's why Oasis is charting again. This type of connection is like mainlining a type of visceral excitement that non millennials, non Gen X, whatever, never experienced. It is, as Liam Gallagher once sang, electric. All right, if you've been listening to me the last few weeks, then you know I haven't been able to shut up about Chris Whitaker's We Begin at the End. The book that I was reading. I finished it last week and before the end I had two audible gasps, okay? It shocked me as a reader. It made me feel like a character in a Smith song, like an outlaw from Springsteens Nebraska. It nearly made me cry. And I don't cry easily. It's not only one of the best murder mysteries slash thriller, slash crime novel slash whatever the fuck I've read, it's one of the best books I've read, period. I didn't want it to end. It took me probably three weeks to read, maybe four. I was reading. I was slow rolling it, man, because I didn't want it to end. That doesn't happen often. Anyways, I'm done with it. It's fantastic. You should all read it and you should tell me what you think about it. I just started reading Chuck Hogan's Gangland. By the way, Chuck Hogan wrote the Town that the Ben Affleck movie is based on. I'll be done with this book before the end of the week. I can tell it's going down hard, it's going down fast. It's like a shot of good bourbon after a big emotional night of trauma. Which was, you know, the Chris Whitaker book. Hogan's book, on the other hand, straight 70s mafia perfection. It was an incredible character, one that gave me one of those audible gasps I was just talking about, but just gave it to me two chapters in. Just fucking great. Love it. That's Gangland by Chuck Hogan, if you're interested. Now what I'm listening to, you'll never believe it, but I'm listening to Jimmy Buffett. What the hell happened to your slightly edgy, smartass, Gen X Disgraceland host, you ask? Well, like you guys, I got curious. Now someone, one of you, man, I wish I could remember who so I could thank you. One of you sent me an email or A text or a dm. I don't know if we read it here on the show or whatever, or if I just responded wherever you hit me up, but one of you got in touch and you told me that the Jimmy Buffett backstory was completely contrary to the sort of smiley, blissful, escapist, Parrot Head Margaritaville image that I have in my head. And boy, oh, boy, were you right. And bonus, the music. Okay, up and until just after the record that Margaritaville is on the music. Jimmy Buffett's early records, pretty damn good. I mean, I'm into it. I hesitate to say that I'm having a Jimmy Buffett summer, because I'm not. I'm having a turnstile in Keith Jarrett summer. But these. These records shocked me with how. How much I liked him. Okay, I'll be done writing this episode, I should say. I'm researching all this for an episode and I'll be done. I'm writing it this week. I'll be done. Be done with it this week, and it'll be out in a couple months. And I. I gotta say, I love it when you guys dig up the dirt for me and point me in the right direction. So thank you. Dig. Keep digging. Dig, baby, dig. I wanted to start a band once called Dream Baby Dream after the suicide song. Dig Baby Dig is good, though. All right. Maybe we can come up with shirts that say Dig, baby, Dig. I don't know. We'll see. All right, if you want more music recs, if you want to know how Marlon Brando influenced the music that I'm listening to this week and what specific songs I'm recommending for your July playlist, you got to listen to the Hollywoodland Rap party. All right. To where Zeth and I get down on our movie inspired musical recommendations. Trust me, that makes sense. Subscribe and listen to Hollywoodland wherever podcasts are available. Available for free. Speaking of I don't know stuff, podcast episodes, Marlon Brando, legend that he is, other legends, another legend, Nikki Sixx. The myth surrounding Nikki Sixx are full episode subject this week. The myth is that he died and came back to life. But we reckon with the fact that. Yes, that's true, man. That's true. But the real truth is that he actually died twice and came back to life, if you can believe that. Nikki's story of rock and roll animalism is so wild that we couldn't even come close to telling all the dirty details that he gets into in his autobiography. We couldn't even come close to fitting it into the full episode this week. But hey, that's what we have these bonus episodes for. And in the all access section of this after party, I'm gonna be giving you three quick stories of Nikki Sixx, rock and roll, criminality and debauchery that were just too damn hot for the wide feed. You gotta be a member, though, to access that content. But don't sweat it. Becoming a member only costs 5 do less than a cup of coffee these days. What's that all about? Go to Disgracelandpod.com membership to sign up via Patreon or Apple. You can sign up directly on Patreon or Apple too. And that membership, it not only gets you the extra content in these bonus episodes, but it gets you ad free listening and an extra full episode per month and access to me and your fellow discos chopping it up in the Disgraceland community. Chat on Patreon. Plus, like I said, this week you get to hear three extra tales of Nikki Sixx madness. Too wild for the full episode. Sign up, become a member today. Disgraceland. All right, coming up after this episode, we are rewinding to our Pink Floyd story. If you want to know the true depths and cause of Sid Barrett's madness and hear a pretty funny story about who's Pete Townsend tripping his balls off, then listen to the Pink Floyd episode coming up after this after party. After Floyd on Tuesday, we have our new episode on Waylon Jennings. Now, if you thought Waylon was messed up, you're gonna want to hear the story about the lengths Waylon Jennings had to go to to hide his drugs from his roommate, who was even more messed up than he was. Now, that roommate was of course, Johnny Cash. And this begs the question that I want you to be thinking about when you listen to the Waylon Jennings episode. Next, this question is, who was the most punk rock of the country music singers? All right, I want to know. 617-90-66638 voicemail and text. Leave me a voicemail. Send me a text. You might hear your answer played on next week's afterparty. Hit me up@gracelandpod.com surefire way to get me to respond to you is to respond in the Patreon chat to this question, who is the most punk rock of the country singers? But of course, the old telephone works as well as do the apps. Disgracelandpod on social disgracelampodmail.com you want to email me? I got to take a quick break. Coming up next, the music, the musicians, the crimes, the stories you want to talk about with your Voice, voicemails, texts, DMs and more.
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Malcolm Gladwell
Hello. Hello, I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. I recently spoke with IBM's new director of Research, Jake Ambetta. We discussed his vision for the future of quantum computing at IBM Research. What we always do is answer what is the future of computing? Whether it's coming up with new algorithms, coming up with better AI, coming up with quantum, or coming up with just how do different accelerators go together? It's our DNA. To answer the question of what is the future? Isn't it a perfect problem for IBM because you kind of need to have a legacy of building stuff. Yes. Building actual physical machines. Yeah. It's why I came to IBM. I wanted the experience, the culture of building hard things that others have not done before. Where do you imagine we are in the timeline of this technology? There will come a point when it will mature, right? My cell phone is a mature technology at this point. How far are we from that point with quantum by 2029 we'll build the first fault tolerant quantum computer that is one that can run a very, very large, large problem. To learn how IBM is building the future of computing, visit IBM.com quantum.
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Jake Brennan
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Jake Brennan
All right discos, we're back. Listen Apple Podcast users, you know the drill. Make sure you get auto downloads turned on so you don't miss any of our episodes. 617-906-6638. You know where I'm at? Same place I'm at every week in the phone booth, the one across the hall, hanging on the telephone, waiting for you to send me a voicemail, waiting for you to send me a text. Because you guys know better than anyone that music history does not have to be boring, okay? You got a line on these insane stories. Just like I got a line on these insane stories. And you dig and you call and you dig and you text and you dig and you dm. All right, Pete Milan, one of our Patreon chat members, hit us up, Hit me up over in the Patreon chat publicly with this incredible story last week about David Bowie getting banned from snl, similar to the Replacements. Last week's full episode subject getting banned from snl, which I didn't know. I didn't know that about David Bowie. And this was in the 80s, I believe, might have been early 90s. He sent me a link to the article. Fascinating to me. What's up with Lorne Michaels? Just like you're banned. You know what I mean? Like, it just strikes me as. It's like the dude, you know, the. That kid in your neighborhood who. Who you let play in the. In the football game because he had the better football, but he's really a pain in the ass and something didn't go his way and he took the fucking ball home. That's what Lauren Michaels reminds me of here, which is your band. I mean, Elvis Costello, okay, the Replacements, David Bowie. What are you doing, man? Who else? We need a running list of people banned from Saturday Night Live. Anyways, my point, Pete Milan, one of you guys gave me that stories and I appreciate it. Let's get into some calls here. 617-906-6638. You guys want to call me with any incredible stories from music history? You can do that. You can call me. You can answer the question of the week from last week, which was. What was the question? Oh, yeah. Which hair metal bands are you. You know, which is the one. The one that. Especially if you're not a hair metal person. Lot of incoming from you guys on wanting to hear some hair metal episodes. I kind of use this Motley Crue Part 2, Nikki 6 episode to get a bead on who exactly from the hair metal scene you guys are into with the question of the week. Let's check out Jim from the 31 8.
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Podcast Callers
Hey, Jake. This is Jim from the 318. Absolutely love the show, man. Regarding the hair metal question, I was primarily an 80s and 90s college rock, alternative rock, whatever you want to call it, guy going to High school in the mid to late 80s. I couldn't avoid hearing a lot of hair metal and I liked a lot of it. Particularly loved the band Rats. They just had a really catchy sound, wrote really memorable songs. They had an amazing guitar duo with the late great Robin Crosby and Warren demartini. Vocalist Steven Piercey had a kind of snotty semi punk tone to his voice. And Bobby Blatcher was my kind of drummer. Just a straight ahead basher who still knew how to make the song stand out. So, yeah, there are a lot of other hair metal bands I will admit to have loved, but Rat kind of rose to the top. And I'm responding late to the previous week's question. Two other bands I thought should have been huge were the Northeast's Mission of Burma and the Northwest Posies. Mission to Burma was so far ahead of the curve and their sound, it's just amazing. You go back and listen to their early stuff and the Posies with that, those incredible harmonies mixed with the fuzzy guitar. They should also have been at the top of the heap. Anyway, man, love the show. Can't wait to hear it every week. Rock and rolla.
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Jake Brennan
Jim, it's interesting you bring up Rat. I saw Nikki Sixx post the other day on Instagram and he just. It was kind of sad. Yeah, there's a picture of him and Robin Crosby and he just said, I miss my friend. And I don't know, it was just. There were all these great pictures of him and Robin Crosby together getting up to no good. I'm sure I wasn't a big Rat guy, but I get it. I totally get it. And I think there's actually a Rat episode there. I think Robin's death was very sad. Very sad chapter from music history. And it'd be cool to get into that story. All right, let's check out the two five one on Jimmy Buffett.
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Podcast Callers
Hey, Jake, Been rocking with you from day one. Just heard from yesterday, the day before, you're gonna have a Jimmy Buffett episode. Just want to give you my two cents. I'm in la, Lower Alabama. Never like you. Not a big fan. Didn't hate him. But music or Metalhead. Anyway, I went to work for his sister. Has a restaurant now, or had a restaurant. I was 4 or 5. I got to meet Jimmy a couple times. I was an English teacher for years, so I was very impressed with his writing ability. Wrote a couple books. Some of his songs, the only ones. What's it, A Dead poet, Life of a Dead poet or whatever is great. Love in the library is great. Come Monday is great. I didn't care for all the Margaritaville stuff anyway. Met the dude a couple times at dinner with him once. Super chill guy. Asked him if he hadn't done music, what would he do? He was going to be a history teacher. He even has a degree in history from the University of Southern Dinner. Anyway. Well, you did mention you read a book by Tom Egwene. I'm sure you know this through your research, but he is Jimmy's brother in law, married to his sister Lori, who I met. And Tom, his sister Lori was a world class equestrian. Equestrian. Equestrian. And McGuain's first wife was Margot Kidder from the Superman movies. Anyway, love your show, brother. Can't wait to hear the Buffett stuff. Take care. Rock and roll.
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Jake Brennan
Gotta love the metalhead showing up for Jimmy Buffett. And you know, in the research, I knew nothing about Jimmy Buffett before researching this episode. One thing is abundantly clear in this research and that is that Jimmy Buffett was a great fucking guy, hands down. Like I, I kept having this feeling in, in researching Jimmy Buffett. This, this feeling of, oh man, I wish this guy was still alive. And he's just so, so effortlessly charming in an authentic way. He's always smiling, or was always smiling, I should say, and just seems like a really great dude. I don't know that he would have been a history teacher. I think he had. It was tough trying to get this into the episode. I'm still writing it. I'm trying to make this point. He had this real entrepreneurial spirit that I totally related to because of how he grew up in Alabama with his. Sorry, in Mississippi, I should say. He was born in Alabama, grew up in Mississippi and just who his parents were. Very hardworking, very, very kind of blue collar people. And obviously we see that come through with his career. So I don't know if he would have been a history teacher. That seems like a stretch. Maybe that's just something he said, but I don't. What do I know? You met him. I didn't meet him. As for Tom McGuain, I'm kind of more impressed that you met Tom McGuain than I am. You met Jimmy Buffett? That's incredible. And yes, I did know about him being Jimmy's brother in law and I even knew about Margot Kidder, but I did not know that until I researched Jimmy Buffett. So thanks for the call. Appreciate it. Hope you dig Buffett episode coming up soon. Will not be what you expect. Won't be with any of you guys suspect? All right, let's check out the 512.
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Podcast Callers
Jay, it's Drew in the 512. Austin, Texas. Hey. First a shout out to all my neighbors who are digging out. It's been a rough couple of weeks, so some love to them, but just got done listening to your Guns N Roses episodes. Fantastic as always wondering if you've read Duff McKagan's memoir. It's so easy. If not, definitely recommend it. I read a lot of memoirs, rock and roll musicians and his is heads and shoulders above the rest. It's not your typical typical read. Smart, inspiring, well written, highly recommend Duff McKagan. It's so easy. Keep up the good work. Love your Pod 512.
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Jake Brennan
Yes. Been praying for all you folks in Texas, hoping that you get some relief. Those of you who were affected from the storm, your neighbors down there. 512 as for Duff McKagan's memoir, I have not read it. I believe it came out after I researched the Guns N Roses episode. But I've always known Duff McKagan to be a smart, smart dude, one of the smarter rock and rollers. So it doesn't surprise me that his memoir is great. As you say, last time I went to south by Southwest, not the last time I went to Austin, but the last time I went to south by Southwest, it was with Bodega Girls, my band at the time. And we were eating in a nice restaurant, not something we did often, and Duff was in there at a table with a bunch of people. It was a really nice place. And he was just so fucking cool looking. You know those guys who are just older and cool looking and you're just like, damn, man, how do you do it? How do you maintain that, that glow, dude, that rock and roll glow and you don't get that rock and roll stink. You know what I'm saying? It's tough for old guys, old rock and rollers. But he's pulling it off. 617-906-6638. You guys want to hit me up on anything under the music history sun you can do. So let's see. Let's do this. Text from the 412 hey Jake, my name is Tom. I'm not the best disco sometimes takes me a few weeks to listen, but I'm all caught up. Greatest hair metal band. Well, you can't deny Motley Crue got into them early and eventually led me to harder thrash metal and punk. But I did have a hair band era and one of my favorites was is Dio. Rest in peace. Ronnie. I always appreciate your listeners suggestions. Someone recommended Fanny after the Go Go's episode and they were really good. Yeah, that's right. Fanny forgot about them. Matt Bowden, his head almost exploded when he found out that I'd never heard them before. And that came from you guys at discos. So thank you. Like I said, you guys know where the good shit is. Motley Crue is a gateway drug to other thrash metal. I never thought of it that way, but yeah, I can see how that would happen for you, Dio. What a voice. Honestly, I work out to Rainbow in the Dark at least once a week, so. Good. Also Dio, New Hampshire boy. Thanks for the text. 412. Let's go to the 304 Texan. Simply put, Nebraska better than blonde on Blonde. Whoa, whoa, easy there, Cochise. Both masterpieces. But come on, you know, did I say that Nebraska was better than Blonde on Blonde? I think I did and I think I stand by that. And I read this text just because he called me Cochise. And I really think that's cool. And I wanted to get it out on record. Okay, let's go to the 997 2. Texting in. I beg you. Three exclamation points. Please. Please do an episode or two on the SoCal band Pennywise. You could do several just on the lead guitarist Fletcher alone, and their original bassist, Jason Matthew Thirsk, died by accidental gunshot. Fletcher took Adam Carolla hostage live on the air in Los Angeles. What? Seriously, how do I not know that story? All right, you got it. Pennywise episode coming up. I Love it. Great text. 617-906-6638. You want to hit me up with this week's question of the week? Which, let me see if I can remember. It's going to be about Waylon Jennings. Yes, yes, yes. And the question of the week is, who among the country singers was the most punk? Okay, Was it Waylon? I don't know. 617-906-6638. You tell me. Voicemail and text. Also email disgraceandpodmail.com Peter Archacki Most certainly pronouncing that incorrectly. And I apologize, Peter. Subject, David Johansson. Thanks for the episode eulogizing the great David Johansson. The Dolls are tremendously underrated. They were the first American glam band, the first punk band, the first hair band. They paved the way for the Ramones, Kiss, Poison, Motley Crue, and on and on. Influential and important in many ways. How they are not in the hall of fame is A travesty. I especially liked your description of Hansen as being symbolic of New York City. He was the epitome of New York in the 70s. He will be missed. I know this comment is a little late, but I wanted you to know that your episode on him was greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work, as I enjoy both Disgraceland and Hollywoodland. Peter, thanks so much. Happy we hit you with that one. Yeah, I mean, you kind of said it all. You're absolutely right. Ramones, Kiss, Poison, Motley Crue. None of them would exist without the New York Dolls. How many of them are in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame? Ramones are pretty sure Kiss is. Is Motley Crue. I don't think Motley Crue is. Is Motley Crue. They probably are Poison's not so New York Dolls influences. Let's just say three out of four of these bands in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, yet they're not in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. And it's not like they just like kind of influence these bands. I mean, Gene Simmons basically stole his. The whole fucking thing from New York Dolls. Motley Crue as well. I mean, listen to the part one episode we just released. Direct influence on Nikki Sixx and the Ramones. Forget about it. All right, so great, great email. Appreciate you, Peter. Thank you. I'll have more on the New York Dolls later when we get into the vault. If you guys got something to say, don't sit on it. Okay, Hit me up. Hit me up like Peter. Hit me up like the rest of the callers, the rest of the text, your voices, they prompt me to dig. They prompt me to try and uncover. These stories that we've been talking about get buried. The real stories, okay, sometimes they're stories I'm not even aware of. I'm not even aware that they're out there. Okay? And sometimes these are stories with narratives that are just too convenient, too sanitized, too biopic. Ish, you know, not nearly as interesting and entertaining as the truth. And I love it when you guys call and you point me in the right direction. So thank you very much and keep them coming. Listen, guys, I want to do something different here. Switch gears. I want to dive into our 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds. But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Matt, don't start the buzzer beater countdown just yet. I have news. News, big news. We have a new sponsor for our 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds. And that is the good folks at 5 Hour Energy the 60 second sports rant in under 30 Seconds is now sponsored by 5 Hour Energy's new transfusion flavor. Inspired by golf's unofficial cocktail, it has hints of grape, lime and ginger. No alcohol needed. Head to your local retailer or www.fivehourenergy.com to order yours today. All right, now listen. I live in Golf Central, okay? I live in the golf capital of the world, actually. I'm surrounded by golfers. Like literally. I go to the coffee shop and some of the biggest pro golfers in the world are there, okay? Everyone in my family golfs. I sadly, until recently, did not golf. But I've started now. You can't keep me down, man. I'm in it mainly for the old school. School fashion, sure, if I'm being honest, the big hats and the knickers and all that. No, but I gotta say, I get why people spend 25% of their lives on beautifully manicured golf courses. Because it's fun and obsessive. Which, you know, here in Disgraceland, we know a thing or two about being obsessive. And yeah, my brother in law, the former D1 golfer, is just gonna have to hang tight and let me his Jay Mascis lookin feel the pain partner for the day. Get his stroke on. Five Hour Energy's new transfusion flavor helps me do that. It tastes incredible. It's not too sweet, it's bright. It goes well with the sun and the sweat and the sweet smell of maybe, just maybe getting under par. Okay, the under par part is a stretch, but you get my point. 18 holes and 5 Hour Energy's new transfusion flavor go great together. 5 Hour Energy in general never lets me down. Even if my putt does. All right, Matt, I'm ready for my rant. Give me the countdown. All right, Red Sox. Listen, Boston Red Sox must have been listening to the after party last week because they took my advice and they did what I said. They went and they became more interesting. What did they do? They went on a tear. Okay? It's up to 10 games now. 10 wins before the all star break. 10 straight, I should say before the All Star break. Now, now, listen. Why do we think that is what changed since their mediocre underperforming play for the basement of the AL East? They got rid of Rafi Devers just like I said they should, and now they need to keep it up after the All Star break. They gotta nab another starter before the deadline and put the Yanks in the rearview where they belong. Let's go, Boston. Don't sleep on this advice, Bres. You know I'm right. Just like I was right about Devers. Shitty clubhouse guys aren't worth it. Good pitching beats good hitting all day long. Go get us a stud before the deadline. Alright, Matt, how'd I do that? Beat it. Jake, I got to give you credit for consistency. Just like the Red Sox, you're on a streak here. It's two weeks in a row, 47 seconds. So you know, you got to keep training, keep working at it. You're going to get it down to 30. Keep it up. All right, that was the 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds. Sponsored by 5 Hour Energy's new transfusion flavor. With much caffeine as a premium cup of coffee and with zero sugar and a compact bottle, five Hour Energy is ready when and where you are, even if you're not a golfer like me. So grab your crew, get your energy and tee off with five Hour Energy's new transfusion flavor. Available in stores or online at www.five hour energy.com. all right. Despite the energy I brought to that rant, I do need a little pick me up. So I'm gonna take a break. I'm gonna hit that 5 hourenergy.com transfusion flavor. It is mid afternoon, the sun is shining. I might not be on a golf course, guys, but I'm here. And I am definitely hitting under par in this episode. All right? And so are you guys. Take a quick break. I'll be back in a flash. All right, guys, we are back here in the after party. It is hot as blazes in my studio today. It's cause I got these lights on, I gotta shut them off. It gets hot in here. In the studio I record in two different spots. I record at my desk like I'm doing right now for the after party, for the full episodes. I record in a booth, in a whisper room booth, which is a pretty tight quarters and it's completely soundproof and it gets really, really hot in there, there. And you know, I'm gonna share a little bit here for you. So I, I, this was about, I don't know, two weeks ago I was recording. It's a really, really, really, really hot day. And the more I went into the booth and the more I came out to sort of like get a water in between takes and go back in the, I, I dropped some clothing is what I'm saying. Okay. And I got down to near, near nothing by the end of it. Okay. It took me like, you know, it takes me like 30 minutes, 40 minutes to record these things. Really hot again. Really walks in the room and he's like, why, what's happening? This is my 7 year old son and I explained to him what's going on, not a big deal, whatever. And fast forward to a week later. We're at a dinner party, family dinner party catered by a chef. And we're at these people's house, this house of this couple that we did not know. And it's not just me, my wife and my kids. It's me, my wife, my kids and my in laws and it's this family and their children who are a college and high school age and one adult. So there's about 12 of us all sitting at this one table and it's a great meal, a coursed meal and very much, you know, assigned seating, like the whole thing, you know. And we've never met any of these folks before. They're friends of my father in law's and I gotta say, my sons are killing it. You know, they're making conversation. And this is the type of thing where like, it's one of those dinner parties where we're sitting at a big round table and for the most part, you know, one person was speaking at a time. There wasn't a lot of sort of side conversations going on. There was, it wasn't so uptight that it was just like I mentioned, but for the most, for a good portion of it, it was just like, you know, one person would talk. It was very, it was very conversational, but it was also very formal was my point. And I was so proud of my sons, both of them, you know, so proud. Like, like they're eating, you know, turtle soup and they're eating stuff that like they never would, would, would eat, you know, crab cakes. They'd never eat if I tried to get them to either. They're just, they're really trying their best and they're trying to make conversation again. 11 and 7 years old, old. And my oldest, he brings up the fact that they cloned a direwolf. It was a very interesting point and a really great conversational point for this dinner. And I couldn't have been more proud of him. And then my youngest, my 7 year old, he takes the cue and he's like, I gotta say something interesting. And this is after, you know, this is after we did the whole what do you do for a living? Blah, blah, blah. And Willem goes dead quiet, dead quiet point in the conversation. He goes, my dad records this podcast naked and like total fucking church Fart. No. Everybody stops talking except our family, who just bursts out laughing. The other family is not laughing at all. They've never met us before. They think like I'm some psychopath. Just. Yeah, one of those moments. Anyways, I wanted to share that with you. I don't know why. I just did. I feel, you know, I can. Anyhow, that's a thing. And that happened. Here we go. Okay, what are we doing? The Hollywoodland minute. This week on the Hollywoodland show, over in the Hollywoodland feed, we get into the iconic Marlon Brando. And if you want to hear a Marlon Brando story that you likely have never heard before, then you must go to the Hollywoodland feed and subscribe and follow and listen. And if you want more conversation, like this one that I'm giving you right here, but with a little more back and forth, a little more conversational. Me and my guy Zeth are over in the Hollywoodland feed every week in the wrap party doing our thing, and we get into some great music recommendations, which is one of the highlights of my week, if I'm being honest. Matt, why don't you go ahead, play these guys a clip. Okay. Marlon Brando made me think of Marlon Jackson, brother of Tito, Jackie, Jermaine, and Michael, the five in the Jackson five. Now, Marlon Jackson has a long. I don't want to say illustrious, but he does have a career in music, and I am recommending none of that. However, at one point, at one point, I believe in 1983, Marlon Jackson produced an album by soul singer Betty Wright. Betty Wright is incredible. The album that Marlon Jackson produced, I don't know if it's incredible. I've never heard it, but I have heard I Love the Way Youy Love from 1972 by Betty Wright, and it features the excellent song Cleanup Woman. Okay, so Marlon Brando got me. Marlon Jackson got me. Betty Wright gets the listeners. Cleanup Woman as the song for my recommendation this week. Have you heard Cleanup Woman, by the way?
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Malcolm Gladwell
Yes, I have.
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Jake Brennan
I've heard Cleanup Woman. There was a. And there was a great compilation. I think Rhino put out Rhino or somebody. Back in, like, the early 2000s. There were, like three lesser known soul R B female singers. Candy, Candy, Satan, Betty Wright, and there was a third. And they put out these incredible compilation albums. And that's where I first heard about Betty Ripe. Anyways, all right, that is Hollywoodland. That's the Hollywood and true crime podcast that we got going on. You want to check that out? You want to subscribe? Get over there and do so today. Before we run out. I don't know what I'm talking about. All right, listen. Five bucks. I went through this earlier. Five bucks is going to get you access to not just ad free listening here in Disgraceland and Hollywoodland. Five bucks isn't just going to get you that. It's not going to just get you that. Plus an extra episode of Disgraceland. It's also going to get you more of this here bonus episode. And this week in particular, you're not going to want to miss out because I'm going to give you three stories about Nikki Sixx that were just too off the fucking charts for the full episode for the wide feed. Okay, so that's coming up. Go to Disgracelandpod.com membership Become a Disgraceland member today.
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Malcolm Gladwell
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Jake Brennan
All right, we are back. Let's dip in quickly to some of the subjects that we mentioned on this show that have been featured in Disgraceland before. Jeff Buckley. We talked about Jeff Buckley earlier in the B block and we have an episode on Jeff Buckley. And if you want to hear about Jeff Buckley's incredible diverse group of influences and you want to hear more about how he died sadly, then you got to check this episode out. It's a heartbreaker and I'm sure it'll be a good primer to the doc that is coming out. Out, I believe in August is when the documentary is released. We mentioned the New York Dolls and in that New York Dolls episode we get into how it's kind of the opposite the Jeff Buckley. When we get into if you want to hear about how they influenced Kiss, how they influenced the Ramones, if you want to hear how the caller said David Johansson was sort of the embodiment of New York City and you want to hear about the arrest and some all around, you know, rock and roll violence, then you know that New York Dolls episode is waiting for you. We mentioned Bob Dylan and if you just got a hankering for some Dylan, you want to know why or why not he may or involved with the whole Watergate scandal back in the early 70s with Nixon and all that, then hey, Bob Dylan part two, it awaits. We also got Bob Dylan part one and that one's going to disrupt the myth of the motorcycle accident and give you the lowdown on what we think actually happened. Matt will have the information as he does every week on these episodes in the show Notes of this bonus episode. He'll make it easier for you to find Jeff Buckley, New York Dolls Bob Dylan. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one, this week's full episode on Nikki six is available for you right now. Go check. Number two. We are rewinding this week with Pink Floyd. Number three up next week, Waylon Jennings. That's right. Number four, over in the Hollywoodland feed. Go check out that Marlon Brando episode. Check out the Rap Party with Me and zeth number 561-7906-6638 voicemail and text DM me@gracelandpod on Instagram TikTok, Facebook x disgracelandpodgmail.com to email me. Your voices help me uncover what gets buried. Your takes, they propel me into the dark corners of music history. So. So keep them coming. Dig, baby, dig. All right. Dig, baby, dig. Now that the night is over. Yes. Michael Hutchins. Thank you. Number six. Do not forget discos. This isn't just content, it's a community. A community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties it all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right. December 23rd, 1987. The date of Nikki Sixx first death. Does that make sense? Sort of. Kinda. Not really. I don't care. Here's what we were listening to in America on December 23, 1987 from the Billboard charts. Number one, Faith, George Michael. Last week one. Peak position one weeks on chart 10. Number two. So emotional last week three. Peak position two weeks on chart chart nine. Number three is this love white snake last week two peak position two weeks on chart 10. Number four. Got my mind set on you George Harrison. Last week five peak position four weeks on chart 10. Number five, shake your love Debbie Gibson. Last Last week Peak position weeks on chart. Number six. Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it.
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