Bonus Episode: Charles Manson the Music Man

Summary

DISGRACELAND Bonus Episode: Charles Manson the Music Man

Release Date: November 17, 2022
Host: Jake Brennan (Double Elvis Productions)

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Episode Overview

In this interactive bonus episode, host Jake Brennan takes a deep dive into the lesser-explored musical ambitions, influence, and legacy of Charles Manson. While Manson is remembered primarily as a cult leader and orchestrator of the infamous Tate-LaBianca murders, this episode pivots to examine his music career—the failed stardom, doomed connections, and surprising, lingering impact on rock culture. The episode also features discussion of related true crime, media recommendations, and listener interactions, including voicemails, texts, and emails.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Charles Manson: The Forgotten Musician

[03:27 – 08:15]

• Introduction to Manson’s Music Career:

  • Jake opens by emphasizing how Manson’s ambitions as a musician often get overlooked or mocked, describing him as “a short dude, had a sex cult back in the 60s, was a murderous hippie, freaked America out” but also, importantly, a “musician in addition to being a murderer.”
  • “Charles Manson as a musician is something that either gets overlooked or at best is given passing attention or is laughed off. And for good reason... Charles Manson wasn't that great of a musician, that was clear.” (Jake Brennan, 04:20)

• Manson's Ultimate Failure?

  • Brennan disputes the label of "failed musician." He contends that failure suggests a lack of impact, and Manson’s music, by virtue of being covered by others and remaining a part of the era’s folklore, had a surprising amount of influence.

• Music at the Core of the Crimes:

  • The episode underscores how music was “at the very heart of the story of the murders” and the “helter skelter motive” used by prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi.
  • Suggestion that the conventional “failed musician” label misses the way Manson’s musical disappointments, particularly his rejection by producers and industry figures, factored into the infamous crimes.

2. Famous Fans and Industry Connections

[05:50 – 08:15]

• Neil Young’s Advocacy:
  • “[Neil Young] tried to get Charles Manson signed to a record deal with Mo Austin and Warner Brothers.” (Jake Brennan, 05:57)
• The Beach Boys & Terry Melcher:
  • Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys introduced Manson to producer Terry Melcher, who recognized Manson’s musical shortcomings.
  • “Terry Melcher... knew what Neil Young and Dennis Wilson somehow didn't, and that was that Charles Manson sucked as a musician.” (Jake Brennan, 06:16)
• These rejections became part of the mythology and alleged motives surrounding the subsequent murders.

3. Manson’s Music After the Crimes

[12:03 – 16:15]

• Guns N’ Roses Cover:

  • Guns N’ Roses recorded Manson’s “Look At Your Game, Girl” as a hidden track on their 1993 EP The Spaghetti Incident?
  • Major backlash ensued, including from their label head, David Geffen, over the idea of Manson profiting from crime-derived fame.
  • “Geffen intervened and he made sure that the royalties never made their way to Manson in prison. Instead, he made sure that the money went to Bartek Frykowski on behalf of Manson Family murder victim Wojtek Frykowski.” (Jake Brennan, 13:29)
  • Brennan admits the song itself—and Manson’s own version—“suck,” but the cover cements Manson’s weird persistence in music culture.

• Other Covers and Influence:

  • Brian Jonestown Massacre's “Arkansas Revisited” and Evan Dando/the Lemonheads’ cover of “Home Is Where You’re Happy” cited as evidence that Manson’s music still echoes through subsequent generations.

• Trent Reznor & The House on Cielo Drive:

  • Reznor of Nine Inch Nails worked in the house where the Tate murders took place. Brennan observes, “That album does not suck.” [Referring to Nine Inch Nails’ The Downward Spiral]
  • Reznor's encounter with Sharon Tate’s sister caused him to confront the reality of the crimes and reconsider his own fascination:

    “...the meeting caused him to consider the victims, something he hadn’t really done prior. And it’s something that we should all try to do when we’re delving into these insane true crime stories. I try. I do. I fail sometimes, but I do try.” (Jake Brennan, 14:50)

4. The Morality of Manson Memorabilia

[15:00 – 16:15]

• Brennan shares a story of passing on the purchase of a rare Manson vinyl:
  • “I felt a little bit, I think, of what Trent Reznor must have felt when considering his association with that house… I don’t want that kind of evil lying around my house.” (Jake Brennan, 15:39)

5. Recommendations: Music, Books, and TV

[20:08 – 26:03]

• Music:
  • Miles Davis’ Live Evil: “It defies categorization... It's electric, it's funky, it's dark, and again, it's weird in all the best ways.” (Jake Brennan, 20:25)
• Books:
  • The Life and Crimes of Richard Ramirez by Philip Carlo for research into an upcoming AC/DC episode (“…one of the best true crime books I’ve ever read… makes all of his actions all the more horrifying and especially creepy.” (Jake Brennan, 20:56))
  • Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties by Tom O’Neill: “...provides a thoroughly sourced spine of information... Read it. Listen to the Mama Cass episodes coming up in Disgraceland and you will be forever squinting between the lines of Helter Skelter and possibly calling bullshit on the whole damn thing.” (Jake Brennan, 22:07)
• TV/Film:
  • All Quiet on the Western Front (2022): “...the greatest war movie that I've ever seen... horror of war is unimaginable, the filmmakers here did something that's never been done before.” (Jake Brennan, 23:04)
  • White Lotus Season 2 for its neutral, almost satirical take on culture wars.

6. Listener Interaction & Community

[26:03 – 29:50]

• Listener Texts & Voicemails:

  • Shoutout to a listener (Johnny Vinyl) with a Johnny Thunders tattoo and a request for a Johnny Thunders episode.
  • Another listener, JT from California, requests an episode about the Red Hot Chili Peppers, focusing on Hillel Slovak.
    • “Why, yes, JT, we have thought of doing an episode on the Red Hot Chili Peppers, but I've been saving it.” (Jake Brennan, 26:33)
  • Will Kavanaugh from Australia recommends Blood, Sweat and Beers, an anthology of Australian rock stories, prompting Brennan to mention an upcoming AC/DC episode.

• Encouragement for Listener Participation:

  • “Send me more weird shit, America. I'm listening, I'm watching, I'm looking. Give it to me.” (Jake Brennan, 24:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Charles Manson as a musician is something that either gets overlooked or at best is given passing attention or is laughed off.”—Jake Brennan, 04:20
• “Terry Melcher... knew what Neil Young and Dennis Wilson somehow didn't, and that was that Charles Manson sucked as a musician. Sure, he had some interesting ideas... But musician, hardly.”—Jake Brennan, 06:16
• “Failure suggests a lack of impact or significance. And when it comes to Manson's music, that's hardly the case.”—Jake Brennan, 07:19
• “Doesn’t sound like a failed musician to me.”—Jake Brennan (regarding Guns N' Roses royalties), 13:21
• “I'm not, but I was freaked out, I don’t want that kind of evil lying around my house.”—Jake Brennan (turning down a Manson record), 15:41
• “Send me more weird shit, America. I'm listening, I'm watching, I'm looking. Give it to me.”—Jake Brennan, 24:49

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Charles Manson’s Musical Ambitions: 03:27 – 08:15
• Guns N’ Roses and Manson Royalties: 12:03 – 16:15
• Trent Reznor & the Cielo Drive Connection: 13:59 – 15:45
• Miles Davis & “Evil” Recommendation: 20:08 – 20:55
• True Crime Book Recommendations: 20:55 – 22:58
• Listener Calls, Texts & Emails: 26:03 – 29:50

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Episode Tone & Style

Jake Brennan’s delivery is informal, irreverent, and darkly comedic, blending music nerdery with true crime grit. He openly shares subjective opinions and weaves in pop culture references, making episodes feel like a conversation for those who find both rock history and its criminal undercurrents captivating.

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Closing & What’s Next

Jake teases the next episodes on Mama Cass Elliot and her connections to the Manson story, invites listeners to keep submitting their suggestions and strange finds, and closes with a tongue-in-cheek reading from an Arkansas phone book as an odd tribute to the Brian Jonestown Massacre—ending the episode with a signature “moment of Zen.”

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For more details, sources, or to join the listener community:
Visit disgracelandpod.com or text/call 617-906-6638.

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Okay in the fall of 1993, when they were arguably the biggest rock and roll band in the world, Guns N Roses released an EP called the Spaghetti Incident. It included a hidden track with admittedly a great title called look at your Game Girl, and the song was originally released back in 1970 on an album called Lie the Love and Terror Cult by, you guessed it, Charles Manson. Apparently, the other members of Guns N Roses didn't want anything to do with the song and did not contribute to the recording of the song and are the reason the song was unlisted on the original liner notes. This was an Axl Rose jam. The release of the song led to instant condemnation for the band from a broad spectrum of concerned citizens, including none other than their record label boss David Geffen, who said of the incident, I would hope that if Axl Rose had realized how offensive people would find this, he would not have ever recorded the song in the first place. End quote. Geffen went on to the LA Times to say the fact that Charles Manson would be earning money based on the fame he derived from committing one of the most horrific crimes of the 20th century is unthinkable to me. Money Quick math based on royalty rates from 1993 that I stole from an article in the Baltimore sun but am low key hoping you'll think I'm smart enough to pull out for my ass. Work out to be about $62,000 to Charles Manson for every 1 million copies of the Guns N Roses EP. The spaghetti incident that was sold. Doesn't sound like a failed musician to me. But it doesn't matter. Geffen intervened and he made sure that the royalties never made their way to Manson in prison. Instead, he made sure that the money went to Bartek Frykowski on behalf of Manson Family murder victim Wojtek Frykowski. It also doesn't matter because the song Sucks, both the GnR version and the Manson version. But you know what doesn't suck? The Brian Jonestown Massacre's rendition of Manson's song Arkansas entitled Arkansas Revisited. Nor does Evan Dando from the Lemonheads cover of Charlie's you home is where you're happy. With a little digging, it isn't hard to see the influence and the impact that Charles Manson's music had on a later generation of musicians, those who were influential in their own right. And like I say in our episode, Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails moved in to Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate's house, where Tate and her friends were brutally murdered by Charlie's followers. It's where Trent worked on the Nine Inch Nails album the Downward Spiral, and that album does not suck. Reznor also recorded Marilyn Manson, who obviously took his name from Charlie, in Tate's former house on Cielo Drive as well. But ultimately, Trent moved out from the Hollywood Hills home when he had a chance run in with Sharon Tate's sister, who asked him why he was exploiting her sister's death. He never thought of it that way. Of course. Trent was just trying to get close to the American folklore, up close and personal with the weirdness of history. But ultimately the meeting caused him to consider the victims something he hadn't really done prior. And it's something that we should all try to do when we're delving into these insane true crime stories. I try. I do. I fail sometimes, but I do try. Charles Manson was not a failed musician, though his music had lasting impact, despite the fact that his music, at least his recording of it, was not good. I was offered a first pressing edition of Lie the Love and Terror Cult, Charlie's record on vinyl about a year ago for my friend Dylan at noble records for 500 bucks. A lot of money, sure, But I felt. I don't want to say, I don't want to overstate how I felt, but I felt a little bit, I think, of what Trent Reznor must have felt when considering his association with that house. That macabre feeling of being up close and personal to something that's so dark and such a big part of history. I passed on buying that record not because I'm a more virtuous person or anything like that. I'm not, but because I was freaked out, I don't want that kind of evil lying around my house. And when we come back after this break, we're going to talk about a different evil from a different record that I'm very happy to have lying around my house.

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All right, before we get to listener calls, texts and emails, I want to talk to you about what I'm reading, what I'm watching, and what I'm listening to. The theme of this culture that I'm absorbing over the past week. Evil. And that's the name of the record you need to check out, partially. Miles Davis's Live Evil. I'm not sure I touched on this album in the Miles Davis episodes I released. I think I did. I think I mentioned it at least. But I pulled it out again last month for Halloween and was quickly reminded of how incredible this record is as an album. It defies categorization. I will say it's definitely not your Miles Davis that your dad listened to. This is 70s era drugged out Miles trying to fuck up Sly Stone. Aggressively weird Miles Davis. It's electric, it's funky, it's dark, and again, it's weird in all the best ways. Check it out. Live Evil by Miles Davis. Speaking of evil, I'm reading the Life and Crimes of Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker and holy shit, is it great. Let me tell you something. I read a lot and I read a lot of True crime. And this is one of the best true crime books that I've ever read. I'm reading it to research the upcoming ACDC episode that I'm doing and I cannot put it down. Richard Ramirez was a special kind of evil. An evil that's really hard to imagine. It has me running to the Bible. I'm not even kidding. It's that fucked up. I'm looking for an explanation. I can't get one. I don't know how this dude did what he did. And the author, the late great Philip Carlos, he captures Ramirez on an intimate level that makes all of his actions all the more horrifying and especially creepy. This book has me getting up to check if my doors are locked on a regular basis. I'm not even kidding. The last book to do that for me was Tom o' Neill's Chaos. Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the sixties. This is the book that led me down the rabbit hole to produce this latest episode on Manson and the upcoming two episodes on Mama Cass. I've talked a lot about Chaos before, but it's just because it's so damn good it's worthy of talking about. And the best way I can describe it is know all the crazy batshit theories and anecdotes about the Manson murders. Well, oneills book Chaos provides a thoroughly sourced spine of information to disrupt the narrative that we've been fed about why and how these murders happened and just who exactly was involved. Read it. Listen to the Mama cast episodes coming up in Disgraceland and you will be forever squinting between the lines of Helter Skelter and possibly calling bullshit on the whole damn thing. Chaos. Tom o'. Neill. Get it and read it before the Netflix stock comes out. Alright, I got two recommendations for what I'm watching. Sticking with the theme of evil, I have to talk about the new movie All Quiet on the Western Front. I cannot remember the last movie I watched where I caught myself staring motionless with my mouth literally open. My jaw just dropped. I was afraid to move. I didn't want to look away. This is probably the greatest war movie that I've ever seen. If the horror of war is unimaginable, the filmmakers here did something that's never been done before. They imagined it and they brought it to the screen in a way that makes Saving Private Ryan look like a fucking PG 13 feel good hit of the summer. This is incredible filmmaking and it is dark and horrifying. Don't let that stop you though. Dive in. It's fantastic. You gotta Watch it. All Quiet on the Western Front, the 2022 edition. All right, I'm all caught up on White Lotus Season 2. I'm waiting with bated breath for the next episode, as I know all of you are. I realized something when I watched this last episode. One of the cool tricks that this show plays, it's the way it presents all these modern day cultural issues on whatever on politics, gender, class, etc. It presents these arguments from both sides while maintaining this neutral point of view and. But it makes the proponents of both sides on screen look thoroughly ridiculous. It's got this objectivity that I strive for in everyday life and someday, if I'm lucky, I'll get there. Until then, Mike White for president. All right, Discos, let's hear from you. I want texts. I want your emails, I want your voicemails, I want your DMs. Get in touch. Let me know what you're reading, let me know what you're watching, let me know what you're listening to. Send me some fricking podcast recommendations. I'm getting weird shit. I'm getting weird shit in the Google voice voice box and I'm here for it. That's all I'm saying. Keep it coming. All right. A texter from the 646 area code who didn't give their first name sent me a bunch of awesome subjects for Disgraceland and Badlands. And then randomly some close up shots of legendary mobster Frank Costello's mausoleum. Totally weird, totally awesome. I have no idea why this listener is hanging out in the cemetery snapping pictures of mafia boss tombs. But hey, like I said, I'm here for it. Send me more weird shit, America. I'm listening, I'm watching, I'm looking. Give it to me. Text me at 617-906-6638 or go ahead and call too. Leave a voicemail, I'll respond. I try to check. Not try, I do. I check every single message. Not immediately, but I get to it and I respond. I try to respond to all of them. I think I've done a good job of responding. Texter Johnny Vinyl from the617 writes, what about a Johnny Thunders episode? To which I respond, I have an LAMF tattoo so you know that that shit is gonn happening at some point. Johnny Vinyl, keep your ears open. Johnny Thunders will be coming your way. Johnny Vinyl from the 617 also wrote. He said that Bob Dylan said that he wished he could have written a song as good as Johnny Thunders. You can't put your arms around a memory. Is that true? I never heard that before. Is that from Dylan's new book? I don't know. Sounds like it might be. I haven't read Dylan's new book. Have you? Is it worth reading? Let me know. Call text 617-906-6638. Be like, JT here bringing the recommendations. Here's JT's voicemail.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, Jake, it's JT out in California. Hey, first off, I love your shows. All of them. You guys kick major ass. It entertains me on my long drives to work. Hey, I'd really love to hear an episode on the Red Hot Chili Peppers, in particular focusing on Hillel Slovak and his untimely death. Anyway, thought that might be good material. I don't know if you guys have even thought of it. You probably have, but anyway, keep up the good work.

[Disgraceland Host (Jake Brennan)]

Why, yes, jt, we have thought of doing an episode on the Red Hot Chili Peppers, but I've been saving it. I don't know much about Hillel's death, but I'm a huge fan of the band and I know a little bit about Anthony Kiedis wild upbringing, his dad, that whole thing. So keep an ear out. Well, we'll definitely be getting into the Chili Peppers in a future episode of Disgraceland. Emailer Will Kavanaugh from Australia writes. Hi. Just thought I would write to say how much I love your podcasts. I came across you during the first wave of lockdowns. Yeesh. And I've been gripped ever since. The way you make me feel that you are actually in the room, so to speak, when things are happening is right on. As you're a music guy, you may want to read this book, Blood, Sweat, and Beers, an anthology of stories from Australian rock and roll. And to quote your pods, some of the stories are insane. Well, I think you will. I will check that out. I've heard of this book before. You know what it's like. Sometimes you gotta get things recommended once, twice, three times before you really dig in. So blood, Sweat, and Beers. I'm gonna check that out. And Will, you'll be happy to know as an Australian, that I started writing my ACDC episode today. That'll be out early in 2023. So guys, be like, will, send me your recommendations text or call at 617-906-6638 or email disgracelandpodmail.com or hit me up on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok Disgraceland podcast. All right, this goes. This brings another bonus episode of Disgraceland to an end. Thank you so much for listening. Next up, like I said earlier, two parts on the Mamas and the Papas Mama Cass Elliott and her connection to the Manson murders. These episodes are really just a continuation of the Charles Manson episode that preceded this drop. If you're listening to this on Tuesday before the holiday, please travel safe, enjoy your time with your families and your loved ones. And by all means hit me up if you feel like blabbing again. 617-906-6638 on the text and the voicemail, Disgracelandpodgmail.com and Disgracelandpod on Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Now for my moment of Zen in honor of the Brian Jonestown Massacre, a reading from 1967's Fayetteville, Arkansas phone book. And if I pronounce Fayetteville, Arkansas wrong, I don't know what to tell you man. Never been there. Here you go. Hammond Alex 902 Berry Hillcrest 25689 Hammond Hugo 1011 Hollywood Hillcrest 33246 Hammond Ira 1201 Wesley Hillcrest 24103 Hammond Organ Studios of Fayetteville 2423 North College Hi 32131 Haney F.L. Mrs. 214 South Buchanan Hillcrest 22231 Hankies Evelyn Hillcrest 255 Hanks Kenneth 1431 Hillcrest 341 Hannah Clarence 1633 Name Quit talking and start mixing.

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