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Jake Brennan
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Find your personal dietitian@usenourish.com that's usenourish.com hey, discos. Need a little more Disgraceland in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show. The party. After the party. The the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard. To dig into the dirt on this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's full episode subject, Alice in Chains. We play Fuck, Marry, Kill with your favorite grunge bands as well as a bit of a deeper dive into our Hollywoodland spin off series. And we get into Your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. Alright, discos, let's get into it. Barry Ford, one of our discos in the Patreon chat, made a comment in the chat the other day about Allison Chains. I'm paraphrasing Barry, but he basically said he loves Allison Chains but doesn't consider them grunge. He considers them heavy metal. And I agree with that. I think that Jerry Cantrell Lane and the rest of Alice considered themselves a metal band or perhaps a rock band. Barry goes on to say that Alice in Chains were the beginning of the end for the hair metal of the 80s. And here I think Barry is spot on once again. However, Alice in Chains, despite their late 80s emergence, despite their metal heavy osity, and I know that's not a word, despite all that, they all are a grunge band. And yeah, I know it's only because they're from Seattle during a very specific time in music history. But them's the breaks, as they say. There are worse places to be at worse times in history than Seattle in the late 80s and the early 90s. So Alice in Chains are indeed grunge, just as Soundgarden and Mud Honey and Nirvana and, you know, the list. I saw all those bands, um, with the exception of Nirvana. I could have seen Nirvana and I protested. It's a dumb story. I'm not going to get into it. I saw the Melvins too, and they were most certainly the best of the 90s Grunge bands in my opinion. Or one of them. Top two, I think they were. They were fucking great. They're better than Pearl Jam. I saw the Melvins at Baby Head in Providence, Rhode Island. I want to say it was with Helmet, but that seems like just too much heaviness for one bill at a tiny club like Babyhead back in the day. But I definitely saw both those bands at that club at that time in the 90s. Also saw the Rollins Band there and Quicksand. I'm getting off point. What's my point? Yes. Oh yes, grunge. Yes, the word grunge sucks. But ask those who live through the jazz age and they'll probably tell you that they hate the Word swing, so be it. Grunge and Alice in Chains, they are one in the same now. I like Alice in Chains. I always have, ever since I heard their first MTV hit, Man in the Box, which I think is the band's finest moment. It's an incredible song, Great riff, great vocal. I'm not a massive fan of Alice in Chains, though. Like, I know that some of you are. I don't really listen to Alice in Chains on purpose, but if that song comes on, I'm cranking it. That's not a bad thing. I don't actively listen to Question Mark and the mysterians, but if 96 tears comes on, you can bet your ass I'm blasting that. I think my favorite Alice in Chains album is. Isn't even an album at all. It's that. That acoustic ep Sing EJ Flies. I love that. It's an ep, right? Yes. Yeah, it's got like seven, eight. No, I think it's less like six or seven songs. But where does Alice in Chains rank in the eyes of the critics? That's what I want to know. As far as so called grunge bands are concerned. This is interesting to me because when we think of, again, so called grunge bands, there really aren't a lot of bad ones. I mean, even, even Toejam. I mean, Pearl Jam is a pretty good band. Slow down. I'm kidding. I love. I love Pearl Jam. Don't hate bomb me. Seriously, there. There aren't a lot of bad grunge bands, which means that they cannot be easily ranked. So with about 10 seconds of Internet research right here, I see that my logic is flawed already. Because when I think grunge, I think Seattle only. But that's. That's not what the Internet thinks. I'm looking here and the Internet thinks that. I guess any band with distorted guitars and flannel in the 1990s is grunge. That's. Okay, let's go with that definition and let's see how the critics rank Alice in Chains amidst their grunge contemporaries. And I swear, if they're ranked higher than Soundgarden, then the grunge gods are going to be very upset tonight. Okay, Pitchfork is too lame to rank these bands by numbers. So we're going to ignore this list and we're going to ignore Pitchfork Goldmine magazine, which is a pretty serious publication for music. Love music collectors, I should say. Okay, this list is legit. You know why? They have at number one. Drum roll please. Green River. Now, somehow I think this is Gonna make Johnny Vinyl very happy. All right. I have to admit, after all these years, I don't know this Green river album as well as I should. If you don't, I'll tell you. Green river spawned members of Mudhoney, including Mark Arm and Jeff Ahmed. I never know how to say that. Who went on to be in Mother Love Bone and then, of course, to be in Pearl Jam. So I get why they would have Green river here at number one. They're kind of the sonic boom of grunge. I need to revisit this album, though. And when I do, I doubt very much that I'm gonna like it more than Bad Motorfinger by Soundgarden, which. Well, now you know which band I think should be in the number one. But let's see who Goldmine has for number two. In the number two slot, they have. Here you go, Alice in Chains, and it's Alice in Chains Dirt. Huh? They have Alison Chains Dirt as the second best grunge album of all time. I quibble with the ranking, the number, but, Barry, there you go, man. Definitively grunge. Question. What do ladies think of Alice in Chains? Are they as stoked on Alice as they are on Soundgarden or Nirvana or Girl Jam? I mean, Pearl Jam. Do women like Pearl Jam? Do they? Pearl Jam seems like the ultimate dad rock band. No shade. I'm just curious, but, I mean, seriously, what's the male, female split at a 2025 Pearl Jam show? I'm betting it's way more dudes. And I'm betting that women like Alison Chains more than they like Pearl Jam. I could be wrong. My wife hates Pearl Jam. I don't. I like Pearl Jam, despite the shit I'm giving them. I like them a lot, actually. She hates Pearl Jam, but she thinks Eddie Vedder is hot. So how does that figure into this equation? I don't know. Fuck Mary. Kill Pearl Jam. Alice in Chains, Green River. Fuck Alice in Chains. Kill Green River. Marry Pearl Jam. Right? That's the only answer, isn't it? You're not going to marry Green river, for fuck's sake. See what I did there? I guess you could kill Alice in Chains, but that seems excessive, given that Lane is already dead and given that Green river is named after a serial killer, you're definitely killing Green river and Marion. Pearl Jam, you know, Eddie Vedder is in it for the long haul. All right, to recap, Green river in their album Rehab Doll, at number one, Alice in Chains, Dirt at number two, number three, Nirvana, Bleach. Damn. I Gotta say, this list is some Jack Black, high fidelity, obnoxious record clerk type shit. Is Bleach better than Nevermind? That's a really good question. Is it? Is it even better than In Utero? I don't know. Maybe. I think so. I haven't thought about it enough. I need to. It's fucking awesome. I gotta say, when I think of the word grunge, I do think of this record. I think of bleach I can get with this. Perhaps Nirvana bleach should be even higher and that's because you want to fuck Mary and kill Kurt Cobain. Okay, number four. What do the big brained, big eared, big record collection rock writers at Goldmine think for number now? Come on, man, this is fucked up. Paw. Dragline. This is just wrong, wrong, wrong answer. Uh, I know this record and this is way too high. Number four. This is just obnoxious record store clerk trolling right now. This is a 15 year old you walking into Strawberries to buy Nevermind. And the stoned record clerk is like, oh, man, don't buy that fucking corporate Nirvana record, man. Buy this PA record instead. This is the real. I don't know. There's nothing about Paw that is better than Nevermind. I wouldn't marry or kill anyone in pa. Neither would you. Number five, Soundgarden. Here we go. All right. Soundgarden, finally. But they have the wrong album. They have Super Unknown. But the correct album for this high on the list is Bad Motor Finger and I will die in my Jesus Christ pose on that hill. Super Unknown is the shit. However, number six. I. I swear, guys, I did not check this list until right now. I'm reading it in real time. Number six is Alice in Chains. Facelift. Okay, Barry, your favorite metal band has more grunge albums on the top 10 grunge album list than any other grunge band. What's that say about Alice in Chains being grunge? Number seven, Nirvana. Nevermind. Way Too Low. Way, way, way, way too low. We wouldn't even be having this conversation right now without this album. Number eight. Still waiting on Bad. Motor Finger. By the way, where the fuck is Eddie Vedder and Stone and Jeff and the rest of the gang? Number eight is Dinosaur junior Bug. What in the actual fuck? This is some reachy, pretentious record store clerk bullshit. If you're including Dinosaur, who else are you including on this list as Grunge? The Pixies? The Lemonheads? Buffalo Tom? Come on, man. I love all those bands. And I love Dinosaur junior And I Love this album, but I don't know. I feel like not only was this record too far removed geographically, it was also too underground at the time of its release. So, I don't know, people just weren't thinking of Dinosaur junior As a grunge band. People. Who knew anyways, people who put up with people at Goldmine's bullshit were not considering Dinosaur junior Grunge. They were considering Dinosaur junior Influential, even on Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain. Don't tell me how to pronounce Kurt Cobain's name. They were certainly og. They were certainly. But they were Massachusetts and like, Western Mass. They weren't even. I don't know, man. This is a reach. To say nothing of the fact that Dinosaur junior Bug is not better than bad. Motor Finger by Soundgarden Number nine, Right on time. Number nine with Pearl Jams. Number ten. Here's the thing. I can't listen to this record anymore. Ever. It was too big, and I didn't like it enough to begin with. I loved when they did MTV Unplugged, which I think was in support of this album. And I. I love them live. I saw them at the beginning of this. This ride. The beginning of their ride, I should say, when nobody knew them. Saw them in a roller rink going on before Smashing Pumpkins, who were going on before Red Hot Chili Peppers. And I saw Pearl Jam at the. At the end of this ride when they're playing Big Sheds on Lollapalooza. And Pearl Jam were always better as a live band than this record. They're even better than. As an idea, than they were of this record. But I get it. Dudes. Dudes love him some Pearl Jam. Number 10, Nirvana in utero. These dudes think that 10 by Pearl Jam is better than In Utero. That's crazy talk. That's like thinking Chet Baker is. Is a better trumpet player than Miles Davis. That's gross. I shouldn't have said that. I was trying to be on that elitist record store clerk thing. That elitist record store clerk tip. But I don't know, man. God, this list annoys me, Okay? I guarantee you, though, my list is gonna annoy you more than this list annoys me. So to recap, the top 10 grunge albums from Goldmine magazine are in reverse order. Number 10, Nirvana in utero. Number 9, Pearl Jam. 10. Number 8, Dinosaur Junior Bug. Number 7, Nirvana. Nevermind. 6, Alice in Chains, facelift. 5, Soundgarden, super unknown. 4 Paw, Dragline. Get the fuck out of here. What's the matter? You Never heard of Tad. Number three, Nirvana Bleach. Number two, Allison Chains, Dirt, and number one, Green river with Rehab Doll. Okay, for our purposes here, it's worth pointing out that Alice in Chains have two albums in the top 10 of the greatest grunge albums of all time, along with Nirvana. Now, I think that is saying something. I think it says, Barry, that Alice in Chains are definitively grunge. But are there two Alice in Chains albums on your top ten list of grunge albums? That's the question. Is Alice in Chains definitively grunge? Are they emblematic of the grunge sound, the grunge era, the grunge movement, more than any other grunge band? I think what Goldmine is telling us is that perhaps they are. And I'm sure if I looked at Rolling Stones list, and I'm sure if Pitchfork had any balls and they put some. Some rankings on their. On their list, we'd find the same thing. But I don't know. Are they. Are there two Alice in Chains records on your top 10 list of grunge albums? I want to know. Are there two Alice in Chains albums on my top 10 grunge albums list? So after not thinking about this too much, I jotted a bunch down here and then I. And then I ranked them. And I'm telling you right now, you're all gonna hate this list. But I swear to you, this is the truth. This is authentic. This is not me trolling you. This is not me trying to piss you off, trying to get a reaction. This is not me putting that Mother Love Bone album at number one, which I'm sure some of you would have. Not me. I kind of went here. My method was, okay, if I have all these records in front of me and the clock's ticking and I gotta make my exit, I gotta go grab my go bag, and I got room for one record in it. As I take off to my desert island, in what order am I choosing that record? Okay, so here we go. Number 10. You're gonna hate this so much. Number 10, the singles soundtrack. Okay, yes. Cameron Crows film singles. I know, I know. Real grunge heads hate this album. But I don't care if you were in high school in 1990, whatever, when this came out, 91, I think it came out, you could not love this. Come on. You had to be a hardened punk rock, just anti establishment. And I was all those things, but I wasn't that hard. Just total nerd to not like this movie when it came out, you might have Problems with it now as cinema or whatever, but. But this. This movie's fantastic and the soundtrack is great. And I know Paul Westerberg isn't grunge and he's all over the soundtrack. And I know. I know there's other songs on this soundtrack that are not grunge, but this soundtrack is so fucking good. The movie's so good. Pearl Jam's in the movie, for God's sake. They're in Matt Dillon's band. Movies is damn good. And it just. It just gives me all the feels for this time in history, in music history that I was part of, actually. We were all part of, I guess, in some way, you know, on the consumer side at least. So as lame as this pick is, I'm honest, okay? I'm telling you, I'm coming at you. I'm coming at you with my heart on my sleeve. Single soundtrack. Number 10. Number 9, Alice in Chains, Jar of Flies. I mentioned it earlier. Number eight. I gave him a lot of shit, but. Pearl Jam versus. When I was in college and I was at Northeastern when this record came out, you could just walk through campus and you. This would just be blasting from, like, uncountable numbers of dorm windows on the quad in boomboxes. You'd go into the cafeteria. It would be. It was everywhere. Everywhere. Everyone bought this record the week it came out, too. Tuesday, Tower Records, New Brew Street Boom. Everyone had it. I don't even know that I bought it, but I loved it. Pro Jam verse is at number eight. Number seven, Smashing Pumpkin, Siamese Dream. Criminally Ignored by Goldmine. I got this record at number seven. Billy Corgan. You know I'm listening. I'm here for you. I'm still listening to this record. Number six, Nirvana. In Utero. Great album. I don't listen to it enough because it, you know, it's just a weird time. It's a weird time for all of us who grew up with Kurt Cobain. Number five, Soundgarden. Super Unknown. That's right. I think it's better than In Utero. Number four, Melvin Stoner Witch. This record is incredible. I didn't put this here just to be cool guy. I listened to the shit out of this record and it's amazing. And I will put Buzzo's solo album up here as well. Hi. But not cracking the top 10. Melvin Stoner witch. Amazing, Amazing album. If you don't know it, go get it. Number three, Nirvana. Nevermind. It was real tough to put this one behind. Number two, Nirvana Bleach. But Nirvana Bleach. You just don't get Nevermind without Bleach, which is why it's number two in my book and number one, Soundgarden, Bad Motor Fingers. Simply because this record is a masterpiece. And I listen to it. I just listen to it more. I listen to it more than I listen to all these records. I have listened to this record more historically than I've listened to all these records. I guess if you ask me who's the most emblematic singer, songwriter, musician of the grunge era, I don't know that I would say Chris Cornell. I think I would probably say Kurt Cobain. But I just listen to Bad Motor Finger more. I just think it's better. It's subjective. That's it. That's the reason I can't. You know, I can hear you if you're sitting here going, super unknown is better. But to me, it's Bad Motor Finger. Okay, so to recap. To recap, number one, Soundgarden, Bad Motor Finger. Number two, Nirvana Bleach. Number three, Nirvana, Nevermind. Number four, Melvin's Stoner Rich. Number five, Soundgarden, Super Unknown. Number six, Nirvana In Utero. Number seven, Smashing Pumpkin, Siamese Dream. Number eight, Pearl Jam versus. Number nine, Alice in Chains, Jar of Lies. Number ten, the Single Soundtrack. Send me all the hate mail you got. I deserve it. This is kind of a bullshit list. I get it. Three Nirvana records, two Soundgarden records, all in the top six. Oof. Aye, Aye Aye, Whatever. It might be lame, but it is authentic. Okay? Like I said, if all those records are lying in front of me, that's the order I'd pack them for my trip to the desert island. Anyway, thank you, Alison Chains, for sending us down this rabbit hole. Alice in Chains. This Alice in Chains episode is of course, available for you to listen to right now at the top of your disgrace. Actually, just before this episode that you're listening to right now. And coming up right after this episode is our rewind episode on Snoop Dogg. Man, we are living in the 90s. This week. And next week, next week we have our part two of our Bob Dylan episode. And, guys, I don't even know where to begin. I have been in a rabbit hole on this subject. On this Bob Dylan story that I'm putting together. This episode is going to blow your brains out in that JFK assassination kind of blow your brains out kind of way. So here's the deal. I found this book by two scholars, Chad Israelson, I think I'm saying that correctly. And Jeff Taylor called the political world of Bob Dylan. And it has completely fucked me up. And I thought I knew what this episode was going to be. It's one of those episodes where you get into the research thinking one thing and you get out of the research and you're like, oh my God, what have I fucked learned? And on top of that, during the researching and writing of this episode, as most of you know, we haven't really talked about it here in much depth, but the JFK files were released last week, last Tuesday. And I've been digging around, as have a lot of people that I have been doing a lot more digging. People are like writing AI scripts to figure this out. And there's some really smart journalists, former Washington Post folks who are digging into this and very, very intentional and thoughtful ways. And they're lining it up with a bunch of research that has already been done, a bunch of public documents that have already been released and they're able to cross check things and confirm them. And some of the so called previous conspiracy theories about what the CIA was up to, what Richard Nixon was up to. I mean, it's put it this way, what we thought happened did not happen. Unless what we thought happened was that the CIA had something to do with this, the JFK assassination, because they most certainly do. But there are far reaching consequences from these files that go beyond the JFK assassination and go into the CIA's work in the 1970s. And that's where things get interesting for Mr. Bob Dylan. Okay, this is shaping up to be something totally unexpected. I'm still not done with this episode. It's going to be a miracle if we get it done and released on time next week. But we will. And when we do, it's gonna like, like I sort of said earlier, like actually what Peter Wolf from the Jake Isles Band said, it's gonna blow your face out, man. Okay, I have a Peter Wolf story, by the way. Maybe I'll tell it in the bonus section. It's about Bob Dylan. Maybe I'll tell it in the bonus section of this here, this here episode. Anyways, back to Bob Dylan. When you're listening to the Dylan episode, be thinking about the whole voice of a generation thing. Okay, they hung that label on Bob Dylan. It's part of why we get into it in this upcoming episode. They hung that label on Lane Staley's contemporary Kurt Cobain as well. But next week's question of the week is gonna be what songwriter most speaks for your generation. Okay, every songwriter hates that moniker. But still, it doesn't erase the fact that there are certain songwriters, there are certain musicians who carry that mantle, whether they want to or not. Kurt Cobain definitely carried that mantle, in my opinion, back in the 1990s. He was absolute the voice of that generation. He most certainly did not want to be, yet he was. His influence was. You could not even calculate it if you tried. And I think you could say something similar about Bob Dylan, but there are certainly others from that 60s generation who could wear that mantle. But I want to know from your perspective, from your generation, no matter what era you were born in, no matter what era you came up in, no matter what era your formative years took took place in, whether they were back in the past, sometime in the aughts, Perhaps in the 90s and the 80s and the 70s, perhaps. Perhaps you're Gen Z. I don't know. But who is. Is it Kendrick? Who is that songwriter? Is it Taylor Swift? Is it Jack White that most speaks for your generation? That's what I want you to be thinking about when you're listening to that Bob Dylan episode, okay? And then I want you to call me 617-906-6638 and leave me a voicemail with your answer, or send me a text with your answer at that number. Or hit me up gracelandpod on the socials. I'm gonna take a quick break, drink some of my tea, and I will be back in a flash. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. You might say all kinds of stuff when things go wrong, but these are the words you really need to remember. Like a good neighbor, State. State Farm is there. They've got options to fit your unique insurance needs, meaning you can talk to your agent to choose the coverage you need, have coverage options to protect the things you value most, file a claim right on the State Farm mobile app, and even reach a real person when you need to talk to someone. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Hey, Discos. If you want more Disgraceland, be sure to listen every Thursday to our weekly After Party Bonus episode where we dig deeper into the stories we tell in our full weekly episodes. In these After Party Bonus episodes, we dive into your voicemails and texts, emails and DMs and discuss your thoughts on the wildlives and behavior of the artists and entertainers that we're all obsessed with. So leave me a message at 617-906-6638, disgracelandpodmail.com or disgracelandpod on the socials and join the conversation every Thursday in our After Party Bonus episode Hear that? Spring is here and the Home Depot has great prices on grills to make this season yours. So if you're working on improving your hosting skills, you're going to want the next grill 4 burner gas grill for $229. And of course, pair it with the Nexgrill 8 piece grill tool set. Now get outside and show off those new skills. Shop a wide selection of grills under $300 at the home Depot. All right, we are back. And just a quick reminder to make sure that all you Apple podcast listeners have auto downloads turned on so you're not missing any episodes. I'm sure most of you do. I just woke up this morning, found out that we are number one on Apple podcasts meeting music charts. Top of the charts, baby. So thanks to all the Apple podcast listeners out there. We appreciate you. Okay, 617-906-6638. To leave a voicemail or send me a text or DM me@gracelandpod. This week's question of the week was in light of our Lane Staley episode. Which Seattle artist most speaks to you? Which. Which musician? Which singer, songwriter? Who's your fave, basically, and why? Is it Lane? Is it Kurt? Is it Chris? Is it Eddie? Who. Who it be? Let me know. All right, calling in from the two seven zero, wherever that is. Let's check out this voicemail here.
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Caller
Hey, Jake, this is the Seattle question and I'm going to go with probably a curveball here, but I'm going to go with my man Mark Lanigan, my favorite artist of all time, pretty much lead center of the Screaming Trees, who are a great band. Underrated band. But his solo output, him with Isabel Campbell, Greg Dooley, and then this is his complete solo records. He also did amazing work with Queens of the Stone Age. Complete badass. He also slapped the Gallagher guy around from Ova Aces. Anyway, Mark Lanigan. Not even close. Sorry, Eddie. Sorry, Kurt. Thanks, man. Love your show.
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Jake Brennan
Mark Lanegan. We haven't mentioned Mark Lanigan yet and I don't think we've mentioned Screaming Trees yet. And I love this answer. I played it because we are woefully overdue on a Mark Lanegan episode. And I gotta say, man, yeah, I am. I love. It's just one of these things like you just don't have enough time in your life. And I don't mean like right now at this moment in time. I mean like forever. Every time I've heard any I've seen Screaming Trees before. Every time I've heard anything Mark Lanegan. I'm into it. I like it a lot. Yet I've never had that moment for me where I've gone down and just become a fan and bought his stuff, actively seeked it out and got into it. I know he has an incredible book. I know the stories are supposed to be completely wild. I didn't know. I guess there's. In some part of my memory hole, there's something about him slapping around someone from Oasis. I'm assuming it's Liam. But I don't know this story. And I feel like I should. And I feel like. I feel like I got to do an episode of Mark Lanigan and I got to make that happen soon. Maybe we'll do a Mark Lanigan and a GITZ episode, two separate episodes before the year is over. Maybe I'll get into that. Thanks for your call. 2 7. Oh, appreciate you.
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Caller
Hi, Jake, it's Kelly from the 781 again. I'm sorry I had to call back because I meant to also say I fucking love Pearl Jam, too. Always have and I always will. Eddie Vedder was pasted on my locker in high school. I fucking love him. I love Pearl, Jim. I saw him at Boston Garden right before they tore it down. You know the one where he made the hole and jumped through it. I love him. I love Eddie Vedder. I don't care who knows it. I don't give a shit. I love them. Just had to call back and say that. Thank you.
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Jake Brennan
All right, Kelly, thank you for the voicemail. I played that, obviously, because I was asking earlier, are women into Pearl Jam? And clearly Kelly from Massachusetts is into Pearl Jam. Kelly, I love the accent as well. Thanks for the call. All right, let's check out this message from the 206.
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Caller
What's happening, brother? Now, you know, I was not gonna miss this week's question. Of course, 206 is in my name. So my all time favorite grunge band, you know, I grew up in. I remember growing up in that era when grunge was just huge. Actually, Fun Fact, our main urban station up here, when Kurt Cobain passed away, they changed their format and they blended in grunge and alternative with hip hop and R and B. So you would hear a Dr. Dre song, you hear a Spin Doctor song, then you'd hear a TLC record followed up by a Pearl Jam record. It was basically became a melting pot. As far as favorite band, I mean, I guess Nirvana. But I will say this. I always thought this was kind of interesting. And give me your Take on this. I always felt that Soundgarden was like the Led Zeppelin of the grunge era. Black Hole sun sounds like a song Zeppelin would have made. Great song, by the way. I always felt Alice in Chains was the more metal band. Like, they could be up there with Metallica. And I guess Nirvana was more of, like, the pop. They were more the Beatles of the grunge era. Let me know what you think on that. All right. Rock and rolla Much love, brother.
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Jake Brennan
That is some crazy. I've never heard of that. Oritisation. Changing their format to celebrate an artist from a different genre just speaks to the influence of Kurt Cobain upon his passing. Yeah, I get your comparison. I get the Soundgarden. Zeppelin comparison, though. I don't think Soundgarden. I know Soundgarden was never as big commercially as Led Zeppelin was. Maybe they were like. Maybe you can. You can look at the numbers and you can line them up. You can look at the hits and number one records and charts and all that, but just anecdotally, time and place, there was no one bigger than Led Zeppelin. When Led Zeppelin was around, they were that big. They were head and shoulders above everybody else, and Soundgarden really wasn't. But stylistically, I hear what you're saying. Nirvana being more pop. Yep, I get it. I get it. Um, and what else did you say, Allison? Chains being more metal? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But Alice in Chains also had, like, a real kind of hard rock kind of groove thing to them. But, yeah, overall, I agree with you. Good. Good call. I appreciate it. Thanks. It's good to have your perspective from way up there in the Northwest. All right. Seven two four writes in. You asked about what band hits the hardest from Seattle, from the grunge era, and although it's boring, for me, it is. Alice in Chainsaw 724 goes on to say, I prefer the Lane stuff, but I don't mind it. Vibe with the Duval stuff, too. I don't mind you saying it, but they pulled me out of a really dark space, especially the song I Stay Away. You also asked last week what grunge band we listened to most today, and yeah, it's Alice in Chains, but I really enjoy Mother Love Bone, too, and catch myself listening to them to this day, too. That and the supergroup mad season 724. Appreciate you. Yeah, man. Alice in Chains, people love him. This episode we just released has received an incredible amount of praise, an incredible amount of listens. Like I said, number one on the music podcast chart this week on Apple. And I think it's because of people like you, 724, who just have this incredible affinity for Alice in Chains and for Lane staley in particular. 416 writes in subjects Seattle group Jason from the 416 hey, great topic. I find it hard to listen to my formerly favorite Seattle grunge bands because of the lead singer's untimely and very sad demises. Except, of course, Eddie Vedder. It did strike me the grunge was the first mainstream musical movement, although blues was there first, that put songs about mental health struggles on the mainstream charts. Down in a Hole, Lithium, Black Hole, sun, among others. It was honest, raw, and a cry for help. I was totally there with you. But then your last sentence reminded me of Hell, I need, you know, the Beatles. Not as directly mental health related. So you're right. I'm trying to think what else came before that had the same commercial impact. I think you're right. I think nothing's coming to mind. I think grunge nailed it first in the biggest way. I should say. Very interesting way to look at it. And yeah, too many dead grunge singers. Too many dead ones. It's ridiculous. I guess they told us, though, to your point. All right, I'm going back here a little bit because we had the George Michael episode last week and I just want to go to this text here from the 530 where it's hey, for us Gen Xers, MTV was like daycare. So true. I'll never forget when my folks got cable turning on the telly and the first thing on Remote Control with Ken Ober. Epic show. Damn, I forgot about that. I forgot about Remote Control. But favorite MTV artist Nirvana. It seems they aired Smells Like Teen Spirit every hour. They definitely did. I'm not sure the group would have gotten so big without mtv. They definitely wouldn't. And the news of Cobain's death, reported by Kurt Loder is forever etched in my mind. It's mine as well as the Saddest Day certainly was the most devastating rockstar passing of our generation. I would agree with that. Appreciate the show as always. Keep on rocking from z in the five three zero Z. Thank you. Appreciate you. 617-906-6638. You guys want to leave me a voicemail? Send me a text. Next week's Question of the Week. Which artist speaks best for your generation? Who is the voice of your generation and why? I want to know. Musically speaking, I know that's broad. I know you don't really wake up in the Morning going, hmm. What is Kendrick Lamar gonna say about my generation today? I get it, I get it. This is more a sociological historical question than it is a subjective question. That's what I'm looking for again. 617-906-6638. You want to send me a voicemail? Leave me a text. You can also hit me up. Disgracelandpod on Instagram, on X, on Facebook. W. Robbins writes in on Instagram. Alice and Lane in particular are a huge inspiration for me as an artist, musician, and a singer. I remember the day we learned of his passing and the chilling fact that it was on the anniversary of Kurt's own death. I struggled not to cry listening to the last few minutes of today's episode. Bless you and your unique storytelling. I deeply appreciate it. And you, you never disappoint, sir. As always, Rocka Rolla W. Robbins, thank you so much. Appreciate you, my man. Thanks for listening. Thanks for writing in. Kevin Mason writes in on X. Hey, have you heard of the band Placebo? They've been around, I believe, since 1996. They've had mild success here with songs such as Pure Morning and Every you, Every me. But they have consistently been releasing albums and touring and, you know, I said I hadn't, but I have actually. They're from England. I've heard of them. Never heard them. Placebo, you guys. Placebo fans like Kevin Mason is, hit me up and let me know, where do I start. Which record Theresa Burton writes in on Facebook? Hey, Jake, I would love a Duran Duran episode. So, guys, we were talking about Duran Duran last week. In last week's after party, on the heels of our George Michael full episode, Teresa goes on to say, I was at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto the night the Reflex was filmed. The Reflex video, I'm assuming. If you do go down the Duran Duran path, I would suggest in the Pleasure Groove by John Taylor. John had a decent drug habit going. Some of it was documented there. His habit was bad enough that he made some questionable acting choices in the 2000s. Such as the Flintstones. Oh, boy. The Flintstones. Wow. Oh my God. I'm not gonna read that part, Teresa. That's graphic. All right, Duran Duran. That sounds interesting. I could get into that. Disgraceandpod. You guys wanna get into a conversation with me on the social 617-90-66638 on voicemail and text. 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The difference being beyond the name is that with each episode that we release week to week, I will be recording at the top of each episode a little contextualization, a little bit of an introduction into my thoughts on the story and how we, how we developed it, how it came about, what I think about it, how it affects the greater Disgraceland double Elvis universe. And I'm going at this in the same way. I would imagine some, some kind of nerdy dude like myself with a bunch of VHS tapes in his basement and he's going to pull one out every week and play it for his audience on his cable access show and he's gonna say a little something at the top. So that's how I'm looking at it. But before we get to that, in the Hollywoodland episodes that are gonna be released every Monday each week here in the After Party, I'll give you some more commentary on those Hollywoodland episodes and we'll sort of string it all together as another one of these conversations that we have week to week here and on social media. But for right now, there's a ton of Hollywoodland episodes available for you in the feed to listen to. We dumped a bunch, nearly 40 episodes episodes on subjects like James Dean, Paris Hilton, Danny Trejo, Drew Barrymore, Jane Fonda and a whole bunch of others. And next week on Monday, which is our new Hollywoodland release day, like I said, we're releasing our John Waters episode. But before we get there, I wanted to play for those of you who are new around here and for those of you who are just into things that are generally awesome, our new Hollywoodland trailer. So you can get a taste of what we're doing with that show, you can head over to the Hollywoodland feed and subscribe. So without further ado, here is the Hollywoodland trailer. The most dramatic non fiction stories I've ever heard come from the world of entertainment. Specifically the the dark side of entertainment. The true crime stories from Hollywood. The mysterious death of Brittany Murphy. The vicious real life murder that inspired David Lynch's Twin Peaks. The three conspiracies surrounding Marilyn Monroe's death. The indecent arrest of John Waters. Dennis Hopper's easy riding in excessive 70s Hollywood. Woody Harrelson's dad's connection, connection to the JFK assassination and the obsessive murder of Dorothy Stratton. Bill Murray's bust, Chris Farley burning out too soon, Al Pacino's armed robbery, Heath Ledger's overdose. As you can see, the list is endless. And now all of these stories and more are available for you to listen to in the Hollywoodland Podcast. Hollywoodland is hosted by me, Jake Brennan, creator and host of the award winning music and true crime podcast Disgraceland. In Hollywoodland you can expect the same deep research, immersive sound design and edge of your seat scripted storytelling that myself and the team at Double Elvis have brought to you over the years. In Disgraceland. Right now you can binge over 30 episodes of Hollywoodland on James Dean, Paris Hilton, Andy Warhol, River Phoenix, Alfred Hitchcock and more. Episodes of Hollywoodland are released every Monday and are available everywhere. Follow and subscribe on the Odyssey app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, that's Hollywoodland. And this is the part of the after party where I implore you once again to follow and subscribe to the Hollywoodland podcast on the Odyssey app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Go ahead, go ahead and do it right now. Just, just open your podcast app. I know you got one open already. You're listening to this PO episode. Just open it up. Search. Search. Just type in. Type it in. Hollywoodland. Type it in. There it is. See it? Yep. See Zombie Marilyn Monroe. You got it. Hit follow or hit subscribe, however they term it. Go ahead, do that. There we go. All right. Now listen, you're not going to want to miss our John Waters episode or our upcoming David lynch episode in Hollywoodland or any of the episodes from our archive that we have coming your way every Monday for those Monday episodes. Like I said, I'm going to be teeing up each episode with a new introduction that digs a little deeper into each of the episodes subjects. Helps better frame the story for you. If you need further convincing you can head over to. You head over to the reviews over on Apple Podcasts over on Spotify. Look at what people are saying about Hollywoodland. They're loving it. Just like they're loving Disgrace Land. Just like they're leaving reviews for Disgrace Land. We get into these reviews every week because they improve discovery. It helps the algorithm deliver the show to new listeners in their apps. I appreciate all the reviews from all of you guys. I'm currently logged out of Spotify Creators. For some reason it hates me right now. Oh no, I'm back in. There we are. And I'll give you this little taste here from Jeff Barrett about our James Dean episode of Hollywoodland. Jeff writes in, and this right here is the best episode of Hollywoodland. It sounds like a Clint Eastwood Western. That is a massive compliment, Jeff. I really appreciate it. We take our sound design very seriously. I'm glad you dug it. People are also talking about our George Reeves episode, our Drew Barrymore episode. Momo D'Souzo writes in, quote, drew was a modern day Shirley Temple who was too badass to drink Shirley Temples, unquote. Thank you so much for these reviews, guys, on Hollywoodland. Guys, check out the Hollywoodland podcast. Make sure you're following. Make sure you're subscribed, leave a review if you're so inclined. Continue with the reviews for Disgraceland as well. They're working. It's working. We're number one on the Apple Podcast music chart right now because of you guys, because of these reviews. Lots of fantastic commentary here on the Alice in Chains episode. Over on over on Spotify, Anthony Dixon writes, fantastic episode. Jake, masterful storytelling here. You made the hopelessness of Lane's jungle very visceral. Thank you very much. I had a hand in the storytelling, but I didn't write this episode. Zeth Lundy did, so he deserves all the credit for that. Over on Apple Podcasts, Dirty One Doug writes in hey, new listener. Awesome show. I just found you. I don't know how it took me so long. Keep up the good work and I'll keep listening and spreading the word of this podcast. You got it, Dirty One Doug. Appreciate you, Dirty One Doug. Get in touch anyone else I mentioned here in the reviews. Get in touch. I'll get you guys some merch. Hit me up disgraceandpodmail.com@graceandpod on the social 617-906-6638 voicemail and text. All right, Susan writes in I can't pronounce her last name. Susan P. I'm just gonna say subject Seattle made me sign up for membership message. I've been listening to you for over a year and I love everything you put out there, but never felt the need to subscribe until the Alice in Chains podcast. And not even really, because I'm enamored with the Seattle sound. I actually wasn't a fan at first, but you asked a question about which Seattle band spoke to me. Which artist? Hendrix. 100%. I'm not from the Pacific Northwest, but a close family member lives there and I've visited many times and if you ever visit Aberdeen, you kind of get it. There's also a great guitar shop there, as well as the best shrimp cocktail. My husband and I have a great story about standing outside the Gibson store near Pike's Place. He's a guitarist from Detroit. Gibson in Seattle is by appointment only, but a passerby musician said, yeah, you have to call him, but there's a great bar up the street called Cyclops. So we were down with that total goth scene. We weren't properly dressed, but we are open. So my husband is a huge grunch fan, so that's what he's telling everyone. So the person that invited us said, you know, Nirvana started out at a bar about a block away. And so we went and the waitress had worked there during Nirvana, Pearl Jam, et cetera. And it's maybe 800 capacity. I digress. Hendrix was a master class. Are you experienced? Susan from the615. Susan, thank you so much. Appreciate the little storytelling there in the email. Thank you. You guys want to send me an email? Disgraceampodmail.com Listen, this episode is nearing its end, but the afterparty continues for our All Access members. All right, real heads know you can sign up disgraceampod.com membership for five bucks a month. You become a member for five bucks a month, just five dollars, you get the bonus portion of this afterparty, a little extra afterparty. You get ad free listening. And you get a full episode per month, exclusive for you, one year in advance of anyone else hearing it. Okay? That's what you get for five dollars. Just five bucks. So disgraceandpod.com membership to sign up, become a member. All right, we are back. Listen, new listeners, I know you're out there. I know you're here with me. If you're not aware, we have over 225 fully scripted episodes of Disgraceland right now waiting for your ears. They're in our archive. Our massive archive. That's why we release these Friday rewind episodes to remind people when we rewind that there is a massive archive. And it just happens in the course of these after party episodes that we talk about some of the stuff that we've covered in the past. Today we talked about Chet Baker. I think I mentioned Miles Davis, Dr. Dre, Metallica, TLC. All these artists are artists that we've covered. If you haven't heard these episodes, they're in the archive. Go check them out. Listen to them, love them, share them. Let me know what you think about them. Get into it with us, all right? Be part of this Disgraceland universe that we're building here. We also mentioned Buffalo Tom and the Lemonheads. We don't have episodes on those artists, but they both. That's my dog, you hear? My dog. I don't think she likes the Lemonheads. Buffalo Tom and Lemonheads both appear in the Rick James episode, which doesn't make any sense when you hear it like that, but trust me, it makes sense. And you're gonna wanna hear that story that's in the archive as well. To make it easier for you guys, our Johnny on the spot, Matt Bowden, he's going to put the episode info for these archive episodes into the show notes. So if you've got any questions, just go to the show notes for this episode here and you'll hopefully find your answer that you're looking for on how to find these archive stories. All right, so thanks for hanging out. Let's recap. Number one, Badlands is now Hollywoodland, and our archive episodes of Hollywood and true crime subjects are now available in the Hollywood feed. Search and follow Hollywoodland on the Odyssey app or wherever you listen to. Podcasts, Iheart, Apple podcasts, Spotify. Give it a follow. You're gonna love it. Listen. Number two Right now, in your disgrace land, feed our episode on Alice in Chains. Number three Coming tomorrow, our rewind episode on Snoop Dogg. Number four Merch winners Get in touch. You know who you are. Number five. Remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And, well, that's a disgrace. All right, in honor of this week's subject, Lane Staley, I give you the Billboard charts from the day lane died on April 5, 2002. Number 1 Ain't It Funny Jennifer Lopez featuring Ja Rule last week 1 Peak position 1 Weeks on chart 15. Number 2 what's Love Fat Joe featuring Ashanti last week 5 Peak position 2 Weeks on chart 8 Number 3 In the End Linkin park last week 2 Peak position 2 Weeks on chart 23 Number 4 Foolish Ashanti last week 9 Peak position 4 Weeks on charm 8 Number 5 Girlfriend in Sync feature 9 Lasting 6 Peak position 5 Weeks on charm 9 Number 7 How you move? Quit talking and start mixing.
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