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We're previewing the coming Marilyn Manson episode, getting into some recommendations and some subversive 90s talk. And we go through your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, discos, let's get into it. All right, the Go Go's this week's full episode subject of disgrace. And they did something that no one has ever done before. They were the first group of all female musicians to have a number one album of songs that they wrote themselves. And that's noteworthy, as we discuss in the episode, because at the beginning of their career they were told by music industry insiders, namely record executives, that they couldn't expect to write their own songs and have a hit album. But that's exactly what they did. So the obvious question then is, are the Go Go's the greatest group of female musicians in pop music history? Now I both love and hate these big dumb questions. I love them because as dumb as they are, they force us to have a conversation about things. I dislike them immensely because they are so basic and they are so limiting. They eliminate any nuance and that can be address. But hey, we do the nuance thing in the full episode for these after parties. Let's just get the, let's get the conversation going. To do that, we need to say the obvious thing here, which is that there are plenty of women who have had number one albums, okay? Taylor Swift has 14 number one albums for God's sake. But there's also Madonna, Barbra Streisand, there's others. Now Taylor and Madonna relied on co writers for the songs on their number one albums, okay? I'm not saying that Taylor Swift doesn't write her own songs. Don't hear this the wrong way. She does write her own songs. She just writes them with Jack Antonoff and other people, okay? Other people have a hand in it. That wasn't the case with the Go Go's. They wrote their own songs as the band members of their band. Okay, Madonna, same thing, first album, I don't think she wrote anything on it. Then she got some success. She co wrote with other musicians True Blue in particular. Huge album for her number one. I think they're all co writes on that. Barbra Streisand, to my knowledge, didn't write any of the songs on her number ones. I did a little bit of research into this and Britney, Beyonce, Janet Jackson. It's not like they were holed up in a dingy rehearsal space writing their own tunes, okay? They had writers and or co writers crafting their hits as well. And again, there are zero girl groups. Everyone I just talked about was a solo artist. There are zero girl groups with number one albums with who wrote their own songs. Diana Ross and the Supremes. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Dixie Chicks or the Chicks? I'm sorry. Spice Girls, tlc, Danity Kane, Blackpink. None of you did what the Go Go's did to achieve your number one albums, and that is write your own tunes. All right? It's such a singular achievement that I can't even find a proper list from Rolling Stone, the magazine of record when it comes to stupid lists. I can't even find a real list of greatest girl groups of all time from frickin Rolling Stone. So Billboard has a list, but it's paywalled and I'm not paying for it. Us Weekly has a list, but it isn't ranked, which doesn't do us much good. So let's see what the robots have to say. All right? Google's AI, their Gemini product, when prompted with the question, who are the greatest girl groups of all time? Gemini answers with the following. The Supremes, Spice Girls, Destiny's Child are widely considered the greatest girl groups of all time. Now when I ask ChatGPT the same thing, ChatGPT gives me the following answer and ranked list. So here's the answer again, the question is, who are the greatest girl groups of all time? ChatGPT, the artificial intelligence, says the best girl groups of all time can vary depending on criteria like commercial success, cultural impact, critical acclaim, or fan base devotion. Here's a comprehensive list that includes influential and successful girl groups from various genres and eras. All right, so here's the ranked list in reverse order from ChatGPT. Number 10. Brownstone. I've never heard of them. Number nine, the Raw Nets. All right, I get that. Eight. En Vogue. I get that. The Supremes are at seven. Yep. Six is Little Mix, a group I've never heard of. Five. Girls Generation. That's K Pop, that I've never heard of. Blackpink is at number four. I believe Blackpink is the woman from White Lotus 3, Destiny's Child, 2, TLC, and number one, Spice Girls. That is a tough list for a number of reasons. I'm not even gonna get into it. I mean, Ron, that are way too low. That's all I'll say. Okay, so the ChatGPT robot included other lists as well, unprompted, because ChatGPT does right by me. Okay, I guess, let's see. ChatGPT the good little robot gave me. What are the what? Okay. Critically acclaimed and culturally important. Okay, so that's this list here for the groups on that list. Sorry, Four of the groups on the critically acclaimed and culturally important list are groups that I just. That were in the top 10. So I'm not going to get into that. It then gives me a list of underrated and cult favorites. And when I saw that as the heading, as the headline, I thought, okay, here we go. This is where the Go Go's are going to end up. So here's the list. Number five on the list of best underrated and cult favorite girl groups. Number five, the Bengals, Number four, swv. Number three All Saints, number two, Sugar Babes, and number one, Danity Kane. The Go Go's are nowhere to be found on any of these lists, which makes zero sense. Zero. The Go Go's were not the Runaways. The Go Go's were not even the fricking Bangles. They were so much more. It's beyond discouraging that AI two different AI applications, mind you. It's beyond discouraging that AI doesn't recognize this band. It's alarming, actually. Now you might be shaking your head saying, well, it's just AI and who gives a shit about AI? And I would say, yeah, okay, but artificial intelligence is a reflection of the actual intelligence that is currently on the Internet, okay? Or I would say the lack of intelligence that is currently on the Internet. How the girl group that wrote their own songs and had the first and the only number one record in history of pop music that were not one hit wonders, who had follow up hits, a significant career, significant post careers for its members, was just recently inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame and is still performing on relevant bills with other relevant artists. How they're not number one on this list, never mind, just completely excluded from these lists, is beyond me. It's like the Go Go's have descended back into subterranean punk rock obscurity as it concerns the mainstream, the masses. This should not be taken lightly. AI may not take my job as a guy who writes about music, but it's going to be the first veil of history. It's going to be the source that most people in the future reference first when they're looking for quick facts and quick views into the past. And the fact that the Go Go's aren't even mentioned is a fricking disgrace. Okay, I feel like Belinda Carlisle pissed off some robots or something. I have no idea what's going on here. It makes no sense. Maybe I'm in the minority. Maybe the Go Go's weren't that good. Maybe the Go Go's weren't that significant. Maybe because they come from punk rock, I elevate them somewhat in my mind for some reason, but I don't think so. I mean, those, those songs were ubiquitous. They were everywhere. They were stone cold hits. They're still being played. I. I just cannot get with the fact that they're not recognized here. It doesn't make any sense. And if you want a deeper look into why I feel this way, obviously check out this week's full episode. We just released it a couple days ago. And we're gonna find out where you guys stand on this and what you guys think and who you think the greatest girl groups are of all time. When we get into your voicemails and your texts and your DMs in a bit. But before that, I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you guys about the upcoming rewind episode that's hitting your feeds after this one. That episode is on Madonna, and it's freaking awesome. And in it, I discuss some of the wilder moments in Madonna's career, of course, but I also talk about one of my favorite songs of all time. A Madonna song, but a song Madonna did not write. A song called Borderline. And it features one of the coolest music cues that we've ever created in Disgraceland. So check that episode out. It's coming your way next in your feed for some throwback Disgraceland vibes. Then next week on Tuesday, per your request, okay? It's our brand new episode on Marilyn Manson. And oh, the inhumanity what this guy did, what this guy admitted to doing, the staggering level of rock star hubris and depravity. This episode is gonna give the Gigi Allen episode from our archive a run for its money. All right? And when you're listening to this episod, I want you guys to be thinking about who the most subversive artist of the 1990s was. Was it Marilyn Manson? Was it Gigi Allen? Was it Madonna? Was it someone else? Let me know. I'll be talking a little bit more about this in the bonus section of this after party today. 617-90-66638 Leave me a voicemail. Send me a text on your thoughts on Marilyn Manson. The subversiveness of the 1990s. Marilyn Manson as an artist. Was he the most subversive artist of the 90s? 617-906-38 voicemail and text. I want to know. Hit me up. I'll respond in next week's afterparty episode. You may hear your own voicemail or you may hear me read your text right here next week. I'll be back in a minute after this short break with your answers to last week's questions, your voicemails, your texts, your emails.