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To dig into the dirt on this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's full episode subject Dim Lizzy. We also talk some Def Leppard, Huey Lewis, Gene hackman, Odell Beckham Jr. And I guarantee those four names never used together in the same sentence before. And we get into your voicemails, texts, dms, emails, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, discos, let's get into it. The song Jailbreak off of Thin Lizzy's 1976 album the Same Name is about as perfect a song as a leadoff track can get, I think. Anyways, I listened to this song yesterday when I was working out. I was immediately pushing myself harder. I was singing along in my backyard, likely annoying my neighbors. And don't get me wrong, the entire Jailbreak album by Thin Lizzy is great. But that leadoff track is fucking perfect, man. It sets the whole album up. It perfectly encapsulates what the band is about and what's in store for you, the listener for the next 40 minutes or so. Thin Lizzy were a tough band to figure out for me as a young metalhead. I missed their whole thing. I didn't get into them until I was an adult. You know, as a kid, of course, I saw the patches, I saw the pins. I saw the name of the band in that iconic big bold white font on the black. The image, of course, of Phil Lynett stretched out on stage with his bass piercing upward from between his legs, his Afro, his guitar players and their signature harmonized guitars. The boys are back in town. Also from Jailbreak. Massive song. Still is massive. I knew and loved it, of course, but it was, like I said, before my time. And it didn't compel me as a fourth grade kid to get on my mongoose and pedal down to kmart with my 10 bucks or whatever to buy their record and then figure out how to hold that record and the Kmart bag properly over my handlebars while still being able to balance and steer my way home to my shitty Sears Bot stereo, where I was undoubtedly listening to probably Van Halen or Ozzy Osbourne. Then Lizzie predated mtv, which pretty much means they predated my little kid ears. But their influence did not predate some of MTV's leading artists. Huey Lewis says, quote, phil Lynette was the single greatest performer I've ever seen. He had incredible stage instincts. We opened for Thin Lizzy and I saw about 50 shows and they were incredible. Now, you may be laughing at the idea of Huey Lewis's opinion, and you shouldn't, by the way. Huey Lewis and the News, both great. And you should look into their early days, look at Clover and the connection to Elvis Costello. And my point is, you know, Hugh Lewis has been around. He's seen some stuff. So to call Phil Lynette the greatest performer he'd ever seen is saying something. But it was another musician from the early days of MTV who might have had a hand in actually breaking up Thin Lizzy. And that's Joe Elliott from the band Def Leppard. We know Def Leppard as the Mid to late 80s MTV Hair metal juggernaut who. Their monster album, Hysteria. Huge, huge record, four hit singles. Off the top of my head. Probably more, actually. Pour Some Sugar On Me, Animal Love Bites, the title track, Hysteria. I know I'm probably forgetting a few. This album was massive. It was huge. But the Def Leppard before Hysteria, the Def Leppard record before Hysteria, Pyromania was Def Leppard's breakthrough. And it's. It's kind of hard to understand now, but when Pyromania was released in 1983, it didn't sound like anything that had been released prior. It was produced by Mutt Lang, and Mutt was coming off the success of recording one of the biggest selling albums ever, AC DC's Back in Black. And Mutt was clearly feeling himself creatively in the studio. With Def Leppard, because his recording of Pyromania was unconventional, to say the least. He recorded the bass and guitars to a drum machine, not to the drums, which is unheard of. And then he essentially overdubbed the drums afterward. This is not how records are made, Typ with the rhythm section, they typically record live the bass and the drums together. And yeah, there's some overdubbing that happens, of course, but to record the bass to a click to a drum machine and not to drums, and then to record the guitars to that same drum machine and also not the drums, and then to essentially overdub the drums afterward. Again, unheard of. But this technique allowed Mutt Lang, with Def Leppard's Pyromania, to hyper focus on engineering a drum sound that was huge. And that ultimately replaced the drum machine in the recording. Of course. I remember actually being really young, like fourth grade, fifth grade, and arguing with my father about this record. I swear to God, he hated it. He hated that the drums were so called fake, which is arguable. Like I said, he hated it in Purists cried foul. They said the album lacked feel. They said Pyromania was stiff. They said it was made by a machine. They said all the things grumpy old dudes say when they hear something new and unconventional. But what Phil Lynette from Thin Lizzy heard when he heard Def Leppard's Pyromania was that he was going to have to break up his band and quit music. That's how discouraged Phil was after hearing this record. Phil believed he couldn't compete with Def Leppard, and he believed that he. That he couldn't compete with where popular music in general was going. That's how impactful the recording of Def Leppard's Pyromania was on Thin Lizzie. Now, this story of Phil hearing Def Leppard's breakthrough album and then quitting has long been challenged as bullsh. Joe Elliot, singer of Def Leppard again, who loved Thin Lizzy, has previously told this story from the perspective not of someone who's bragging, but from the perspective of someone who's supremely bummed out by his part in the breakup of one of his favorite bands. Understandably, this story pisses off Thin Lizzie purists to whom Def Leppard can't hold a candle. But just this past year, Vivian Campbell, another Irishman and another musician, a musician who corroborated Joe Elliot's story, saying that. That he was there in the bathroom in a London nightclub in 1982 when Joe Elliott ran into Phil line it for the first time. And Phil told Joe, after hearing an advanced copy of Pyromania, that he didn't see the point in Thin Lizzie going on. And he told Vivian that he didn't feel like Thin Lizzie was relevant anymore and that he had to, quote, move over. Now, do I believe Phil Lynette said this? Yes, I do believe it. But do I believe he meant it? Not really. I believe he was probably in that bathroom getting high and that he just previously heard something that had blown his mind and didn't know how to process it. I've been there before, creatively. I'm sure a lot of you have as well, where you, you hear or read or see something so staggeringly new and exciting that it makes you want to quit. But sooner or later that discouragement turns into motivation, turns into inspiration. Phil was clouded by drugs at the time, and that was likely the bigger contributor to Thin Lizzie's breakup. Bigger than Mutt Lang's innovative recording technique with Def Leppard's Pyromania. But it makes for an interesting story. So there you go. You know what else is an interest? The news we got since the last time we talked on Gene Hackman. Turns out there was no foul play, which of course is a good thing. However, the details around Gene Hackman's death are strange to say the least. Hackman's wife, Betsy Arakawa, dropped dead of. Am I saying this correctly? Hantavirus, Huntavirus, hantavirus illness, which is a disease spread by rodents. Hackman, whose brain was ravaged by Alzheimer's, spent the next seven days after his wife died roaming around his house with his wife lying on the bathroom floor. And Hackman then died old, alone and confused from heart failure. And at some point in that roughly week long window, their dog died on the premises as well. It's a brutally sad story. Less sad and more confusing is the recent news on Sean Diddy Combs. I'm not going to speculate here on this case anymore because the only thing I'm willing to say that I know regarding this whole ordeal is that I don't know anything and neither does anyone else. We have what seems to be a pissed off judge, a defense attorney who recused himself, another attorney, Tony Busby, who, who has generated a lot of smoke and not a lot of fire. We've got a vindicated and now litigious Jay Z. And some new bold face names have entered the chat. NFL player Odell Beckham Jr. He had the famous Justin Bieber TikTok video that may or may not be an aid fake, but most certainly is an AI deep fake video. And a former police chief who was named alongside Beckham and Diddy as co conspirators. As of this recording, that police chief has not yet responded to the allegations, which is why I'm not using his name. And Odell Beckham Jr. Has adamantly denied the allegations against him. The woman accusing od, accusing Beckham, Ashley Parham, claims that he sexually assaulted her, gang raped her alongside Sean Diddy Combs and presumably others. And Odell Beckham has said in response to the allegations against him, quote, I've been informed of the allegations about me in a suit. I really can't even believe that my name is mentioned in that matter. There is absolutely no truth to those allegations. I do not know and have never met the person that filed the suit. I was not anywhere near Orinda, California. Orinda.
