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This is exactly right. Double elvis. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party, after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission, to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, I'm giving you my summer recommendations. Music, movies, books, television. A celebration summer, so to speak. We are also catching up with our recent episode on Dolly Parton, previewing next week's news story on Slipknot, where you'll find out about a darkness that was unfolding in the midst of the band's success. And we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lotta Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories that didn't want told. The kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. All right? The World cup is over. England broke my heart and many others as well. So let's just move on, all right? Okay, real quick, though. England not being in the finals is more of a loss for rock and roll than it was for England. That's how I like to look at it. Anyhow, it is summertime discos. So I thought that I would do a public service for y' all in the after party today and give you some of my summer recommendations. Books, records, movies, shows that I've been consuming, content that I have consumed in the past, all of appropriate summer fare. Nothing too heavy. All right, we're gonna keep this stuff tight. We're gonna keep this stuff light. Lightish, I should say. It's still Disgrace Land, so you get the point. There's gonna be some darkness. This is the stuff that's meant, though, to be right on the beach, in a plane, at the hotel, or at the Airbnb, wherever. First up, Schindler's List. No, I'm kidding. I'm tempted to recommend the film that I watched last night, Bradley Cooper's Is this Thing On? Because it is incredible. Will Arnett, Laura Dern, Bradley Cooper's in it, but it's mainly his film because he directed it. He's got a small part in the movie. He's great. He steals the show, as always. But this movie is also a tear fest, and that's not what we're doing today. We're doing summer movies. Okay. And summer music and summer books and summer TV series. So I'm going to start with music, because this is, after all, a music podcast. And so may I direct your attention to the New Day Rising album from New Day rising album from 1985 by Minneapolis's Whosker Do. This record is a great record, start to finish, legit, no skips. But that's not why I'm recommending it. I'm recommending it because ever since TV Snack Break made that Instagram meme of this album cover, the New Day Rising album cover photoshopped with a still from Seinfeld, the one where George Costanza is lurking on the beach behind his boss Mr. Kroger's family in what was presumably the Summer of George. I think that's what episode that was. I could be wrong. And then put Costanza, okay, That's what the artist TV Snack Break did. He put Costanza in the iconic Huskerdoo font with Kroger Day Rising beneath it. Obviously a spoof on Huskerdoo's New Day Rising. I have been blasting this album through the speakers here in my studio for the last couple of weeks. It's just incredible. I've loved this album since I was 15 years old. I've never gotten sick of it. And specifically the song Celebrated Summer, which is just a perfect pop song. It's one of those huskadoo songs that the punk rock purists hated. At least when I was a kid, they hated it. Kids in my neighborhood who were punks. It was just so catchy and it was poppy, like I said, and dare I say, sentimental. But it's the good kind of sentimental. It's kind of the only kind of sentimental the Huskadoos Bob Mould does, meaning that the sentimentality is arched up by a hidden layer of melancholy and infinite sadness. Okay, go ask Billy Corgan about these lyrics. Check them out. Listen. Love and hate was in the air like pollen from a flower Somewhere in April time they add another hour I guess I better think up a way to spend my time Just when I'm ready to sit inside it's summertime Should I go swimming or get a friend to hang around? It's back to summer it's back to basics Hang around Getting drunk on the beach or playing in a band and getting out of school meant getting out of hand Was this your celebrated summer? Eat your heart out, Billy Corgan. I don't mean to be giving Billy Corgan shit, even though it sounds like I am. But I guess what I'm saying is that without Bob Mold, you don't get Billy Corgan. Despite all my rage, I'm still just a rat in a cage. I don't know if that's good or bad. Depends, I guess, on your feelings about Smashing Pumpkins. I like Smashing Pumpkins. We've got a Smashing Pumpkins episode coming up in a few weeks in the feed, and I don't necessarily think it's going to make Billy Corgan a fan of Disgrace Sign. Which is a shame, because, like I said, we're fans of his around here, despite what Zeth wrote in this episode. Anyway, that is my summer music recommendation. Celebrated Summer, the song by Huskerdoo off of Huskerdoo's New Day Rising. You can't go wrong with the entire album. My summer book recommendation. I have two, okay? The first one I'm going to give to the more, you know, sophisticated. Let's call them sophisticated. Listen, sophisticated readers, excuse me, because the second one I'm going to give you is not sophisticated at all. The first one, I just read it on vacation. Raymond Chandler's Farewell, My Lovely. Okay? It's incredible. Emblematic Raymond Chandler novel. If you've never read Raymond Chandler. If you've never read a Chandler book with his iconic Philip Marlowe character, this is a great one to start with. It's gumshoe noir. That's. It's. It's the blueprint for the detective novels, okay? It's fantastic. It's exactly what you'd expect. It's not going to make you think too hard, but it might make you drink a little more, which is a good enough reason for me to call this an easy summer read. But, you know, it's kind of sophisticated. Okay, It's Raymond Chandler, all right? But it's not as easy and it's not as light as my next recommendation. It's gonna sound weird to you. I also read this one on vacation. It's Wise Guy by Nicholas Pileggi. Now, I was flying to Europe on Lufthansa Airlines, if I'm saying that correctly, Lufthansa. And I was like, hey, wouldn't it be cool to read about the Lufthansa heist on the flight? And that's why I finally grabbed Wise Guy off my shelf, which I've owned for some time, but never read. And of course, Wise Guy by Nicholas Pileggi is the book that they based Goodfellas on. And I thought it was gonna be. I don't really know what I thought, but I Got something a little different than what I was expecting. I guess what I was expecting was. Was a lot of sort of vagueness in the storytelling. The kind of kernels of what the stories became in the film. But God, man, some. Some of the storytelling is verbatim from this book in the language as well. And it's really great to see how much of Henry Hill's voice, his storytelling voice, I should say, ended up in the movie. Fantastic stuff. And if you want, like, revelatory facts and crimes that were committed that didn't make it into the movie, the book is fantastic as well. There's this one great anecdote where they're talking about how they were just such thieves, such scammers, and they had a guy. They had an inn at a grocery store. I believe it was somewhere in Queensland or somewhere. No, somewhere in this. In like more of a suburban area of New York. And this. This guy who worked at the grocery store brought in a construction company to build an 11th aisle. Right. You know, you. Different aisles in the. In the grocery store. You know, I mean, checkout aisle, you have different lanes. You can check out in. He. There were 10 of them. He had an 11th built with another 11th cash register. And it was open, it was running for like a year. And every dollar that that checkout lane collected was stolen. It was pure profit for these gangsters. They didn't catch up to the scam until this guy went on like his summer vacation or something and he took some time off and somebody else came in and was like, hey, what the fuck? We don't know. We're not supposed to have 11 checkout lanes and 11 cash registers. I thought that was fascinating. There's a bunch of stuff like that in the book. And that book is Wise Guy by Nicholas Pileggi. He also co wrote the script with Scorsese. You're gonna love it. All right. My movie, Wreck, I already kind of gave you the Bradley Cooper thing. Is this thing on as a wreck? Kind of sneaky wreck, but it's not a feel good hit of the summer as Faith no More. As Mike Patton would say, it's. So I gotta recommend something else. Okay. I'm currently also watching Gamora, which is way too dark, so I can't recommend that. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna recommend Spike Lee's Clockers. And it's not feel good, so to speak, but it does have a hot and sticky summer vibe. And Szeth and I reference it a ton in our new. This film should Be played loud episode on do the Right Thing, which is the ultimate summer movie, do the right Thing. So if you want to frame a reference, then you can do no wrong by watching Spike Lee's Clockers and by reading the novel by Richard Price as well. It's because it's fantastic. Though I wouldn't call that a summer read. But it's also fantastic. It's just great. All right, Summer TV series recommendation. Okay, this one is big, it's scary, it's popcorny as hell. So those things make it summery. But it's also super dark, but not dark enough to take it off my list. And that is the Cape Fear series, the remake of the classic De Niro Mitchum films. The series on Apple TV with Javier Bardem and Amy Adams is. It's amazing. It's so good. It's the definition of a great remake for a million reasons. I don't want to go into it here. Szeth can't stand this. He hates it. I love it. And I'm thinking that maybe Zeth and I should come on and debate this series. I think that might be fun. It wraps in a week or so, so it's available for all of you to binge right now on Apple tv. I cannot say enough about this weird fucked up thing, this remake, this series. And I bet a bunch of you are already watching this and I want to hear what you have to say about it. And I also think maybe a bunch of you, like Zeth, started it and just couldn't get into it. And I want to hear why you don't like it. It's just. I love it. They even lose the air conditioning in an episode, which is quintessential summer viewing. So those are my recs. New Day Rising with Celebrated Summer by Huskerdu Books. Raymond Chandler's Farewell, My Lovely and Nicholas Polegi's Wise Guy movie Clockers TV series. The new Cape Fear remake. Listen, read, watch, binge, and get back to me at 617-906-6638 and let me know what you think about these wrecks. Do you love them? Do you hate them? Are they summery? Are they not? Most important, I want to know what you guys are recommending. What are you reading? I'm heading up to New England. I'm going to go sit on a main beach a couple days. I want. I, you know, I need the wrecks just as bad as you do. Okay, so don't Bogart the Rex is what I'm saying. What are you listening to? This summer.
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What are you watching? What are you binging? Hit me and let me know. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text DisgraceLandPod on the socials. Zeth's gonna give you his recommendations over in the exclusive section of this after party. We're gonna dig into all that, get into some more talk. It's a great conversation. To be a part of this, you gotta be an all Access member. Go to Disgracelampod.com to sign up to become and unlock exclusive content like this conversation you are about to hear. Plus ad free listening to GracelandPod.com to become an all access member. All right, in your feed right now, our Dolly Parton episode coming up next right after this after party is our rewind episode from the Archive on Amy Winehouse, Originally released on May 14, 2019. If you want to know more about the UK indie sleaze scene that launched Amy's career, the madness of the bright spotlight of fame that burned out one of the greatest musical talents of the 21st century, then this episode is is for you. That's in the rewind slot coming up this weekend, right after this bonus episode. All right after that Amy Winehouse episode, guys, we got a new episode on Slipknot coming up next week. When you're listening to the new Disgraceland Slipknot episode, be thinking about how music and lyrics influence its fans and give us a call at 617-906-6638. And I love this question. Let us know. What's the song that pushed you? Okay, what lyrics pushed you to actually do something? To quit a job, to start a band, to take a risk, to get your shit together, to get your shit untogether. Let us know. We all have those moments in life. We've all had them where we're sitting there lying in a field somewhere near Walden Pond. We somehow managed to park our Vespa in the woods. Don't quite know how. Still to this day, we're lying there, ticks are probably crawling all over us, and we're thinking, you know what? I'm gonna get my shit together and start a podcast. I'm just saying we all remember what song was playing when we came to those realizations. Let us know. 617-906-6638. What lyrics compelled you? That's what we want to talk about next week when we get back in the after party. You can also email me at Disgracelandpod gmail.com hit us on socials. Disgracelandpod and you might hear your answer on next week's afterparty art discos. Gonna get into your voicemails, text, DMs, and a whole lot more right after this. All right, guys, I'm in the phone booth. It is the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone with y'. All. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. We do a grab bag of responses for y' all here. Little round robin on any subject you want to talk about. All right, let's go to this message from the 503.
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Jake, this is Johnny Magnifico from the 503. Man, I hope I'm not late to the game on the best husband and wife bands. How could we forget the grittiest, grimiest, true DIY rock and roll band Dead Moon from Portland, Oregon, Fred and Judy Cole married in 1967. Fred's story alone is insane. I mean, he. He played with, like, soul acts in the 1960s. I think he opened up for Stevie Wonder under the name Deep Silk Hole was in the the weeds and a lollipop shop that opened up for Janis Joplin and so many other bands back in the day. And then dodging the Giraffe, he. His band broke down in Portland, Oregon, where he met Tootie. They married in 1967. He. He was in a million bands zipper throughout the 70s. Eventually, fed up with flaky musicians, he got his wife to play bass, and they started a band throughout the 80s called the Rats, which featured Sam Henry from the Wipers, another great Portland band. Eventually they turned into Dead Moon that played for years and years. I think they even turned down touring with Nirvana because they already had a prior engagement with the Northern Band they were supposed to tour with. Tutti bought Fred the actual cutting vinyl cutting machine that cut the infamous Louie Louie 7 inch from the Kingsman, who were also from Portland. And they would record themselves and actually cut their own vinyl records on this machine. Their story is insane. And eventually started being called Pierced Arrows. That's also just gritty and raw and amazing. Until Fred died. And she's now playing kind of keeping the Dead Moon thing alive. So she's out on the road touring right now. But yes, Fred and Cutie Cole, they're amazing. Dead Moon. Check them out.
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Holy shit. Johnny Magnifico. Thank you so much. I know nothing about this. I know so little about Dead Moon, Fred and Judy Cole that I'm almost questioning whether or not you're making this whole thing up to fuck with me. But I don't think you are. And if you are, congratulations because, you know, working in the wipers and the whole. You know what I mean, the Louie Louie machine that cut the 7 inch, it's pretty good. If you're making it up, kudos, my friend. But I don't think you're making it up and I don't know anything about this and I know what I'm listening to on my ride to the barbershop later today. So thanks so much. I'm going to dig in into this Fred and Judy. You got a fan here in Johnny Magnifico Discos. Let's all check out Dead Moon and let Johnny know what we think. Awesome stuff, man. Thank you. All right, let's go to the 978. Jake Rocka Rolla Man, Hell Town. Mark here. Two things. I'm less than one year behind on the playlist and it's freaking huge. Also an idea you. Fortunately nothing more has given you some material to work with specifically regarding sexual allegations towards their tech and the band management. Covering up Wicked bummer for a great band. And then thanks. I appreciate the rest of your message here. I will let you know. Mark. Thank you. I don't know much about nothing more. I'll check this out. Appreciate the tip. As for the playlist guys that Mark is alluding to, Mark has gone through and he's made this giant playlist of every song referenced in all 260 whatever episodes of Disgraceland. It's mammoth. If you want to be in on that, you got to be. Well, you can get it. I think it's on Spotify. But Mark's in the Patreon chat all the time we've posted in there. He keeps us updated on his progress in Patreon as well. Susie hits us up from the 3, 4, 6. Hey there. I wanted to make a suggestion for a new topic you might not have thought about. Juan Gabriel El Divo de Juarez. He literally had the voice that granted him life. Literally. In a time where being feminine slash flamboyant and gay was unthinkable, there's story of him getting into trouble with cartels and local law enforcement. I can't wait for your take. Love y'. All. Susie. Susie. Fantastic recommendation. Juan Gabriel Divo de Juarez is going on the list. Appreciate you. 917 writes in Adele. Where's the Fiona Apple episode? Look up Kanye West's obsession with her before her first album came out. Yo, I just read. 91 7. I just read. Oh, talk about summer reads. I should have recommended this. I'm recommending this. I read this on vacation too. The third book I read on Vacation. I can't believe I didn't fucking recommend this one. I think I mentioned it to you guys a couple weeks ago. Jonathan Ames. Wake up sir. Hysterical Jonathan Ames. I did mention this because I talked about Bored to Death with Jason Schwarzman and Ted Danson. Great summer read if you're looking for one. Anyways, I'm like, fuck, I don't know much about this Jonathan Ames guy and I start looking him up. He used to date, or maybe he still does date Fiona Apple, which is just incredible. Amazing. So There you go. 917. I don't know where the Fiona Apple episode is. It was on the list. It's still on the list. I just don't know. A good way into her story, you know. I kind of want to write it as like. It's like a one act where she's trapped in a room for all night with Paul Thomas Anderson and Quentin Tarantino and a mound of cocaine and she. She somehow survives that fucking atrocity. But I just, I. I don't have a good angle on Fiona Apple yet. You know, Adele, to answer your question, 917 is a huge true true crime like fan and a huge fan of true crime of crime movies. Excuse me. So that was our in there. 303 writes in. Hey Jake, I'm surprised you didn't know about the wax in the Philippines. But more importantly, yes, Cheap Trick is from Rockford, Illinois. Just like adult star Ginger Lynn. I can tie almost anything back to to porn stars and playmates from the 303 and Cheap Trick apparently. 303. No, I did not know about the wax in the Philippines. Now I do. I love it. 860 writes in hey Jake, Tripp from the 860. The new Morrison episode is in a word, great. I've been a doors freak for 40 years. There was stuff in it that I had no clue about. I was under the assumption that Jim and Pan didn't meet the count until the end of the band, not the beginning of it. The whole UCLA connection was wild. And at the end of the day Jim died due to general self abuse with the booze and drugs. And it's possible that he OD on something. Thanks Jake. This episode was in the top five best Disgraceland episodes, hands down. I really appreciate that. 860 I appreciate that from a heavy Doors head like yourself. This story kicked up a bunch of controversy. It pissed off a lot of people so many People want to hang on to their theories about how these folks died, especially Jim Morrison. So many people people want to want to point to the more conspiracy oriented takes on his death. So many people want to believe that something else happened like he disappeared or his body was brought back from the club. And I've already told you what I think and I stand by my research. You can check all our sources. You can read the same stuff I read. It's all on our website. Go to the Jim Morrison page on Disgracelandpod.com 510 hey Jake, Greg Allman's autobiography is rad. I can only imagine. We got an Allman Brothers episode coming up soon. Very soon. 617-906-6638. You guys want to hit me? Talk about whatever you want to talk about. I'm here for it. Take a quick break. Back after this with more of me and more of you. All right guys, we are back. I want to hit an email here from listener Kendon Smith. Subject Average White Band. Now I'm choosing this because not only is this a thoughtful email, but Seth and I were just talking. I can't remember if it was in the after party or if it was in the rap party about his hatred of average white band. And I gotta say, I'm feeling like there's an average white band episode coming. Thanks to Mr. Kendan Smith and Seth. Don't worry, I won't make you write it. Here it comes. Average White Band message. Okay, I just listened to your Jim Morrison death episode and it all sounds very plausible. The tale of mistaking horse for snow that's heroin for cocaine reminds me of the sad tale of the average white band who were then riding high on the novelty of being a great funk band from Scotland, only to almost lose it all in disgraceful tragedy. The tale of Robbie McIntosh seems like a story perfect for an episode. Anyway, a little while back you were asking people about artists who took an experimental left turn and I wanted to submit sound effects by the Jam. Before this, much of their output didn't stray far from the jangly retro pop mod nods to the Kinks, the Small Faces and the who. Sound effects was their departure with angular new wave, perhaps inspired by xtc, Gang of Four, and perhaps the success of the Police, with lots of lots of dub influenced studio experimentation that leaned into art school way more than their reputation previously suggested. I love the Wendy O. Williams episode. I wanted to go back in time, knock the gun away, and tell her that the 21st century needs her. But I digress. My rock and roll Time machine would be working overtime to try to get to Otis Redding before we stepped on that plane. And walking me and Zapata home on that night. It's late as I type and I got work to do. So Jake Zeth and company. You have all my love for what you do. That's from Kendon Smith. Kendon, thank you so much. And I read because of the average white band reference. Thank you. Don't know much about them. Perhaps yes, there is an episode I was joking earlier, but perhaps there may be. But I also I really like this thing about the jam, Paul Weller and sound effects. I had no idea about this album and it's plausible. The whole XTC gang of four influence. I love it. Thanks, Kendon. Appreciate you guys. Hit me up disgracelandpodgmail.com you want to hit me to a story? You want to hit me to an album I should be listening to? You want to get in on answers to any of our questions, any of our subjects that we are discussing? Disgracelandpodmail.com Great place to do it. Also Disgracelandpod on the socials. And you can jump into the Patreon chat anytime you want. Zeth and I will be chatting in Patreon coming up in just a moment. We're gonna be talking about Zeth's summer recommendations and a whole lot of other stuff. It's a great conversation. Can't wait for you to get in here with us. If you wanna be part of that exclusive conversation, go to Disgracelandpod.com sign up, become an all access member. That'll not only get you this convo, it'll get you ad free listening. Okay? It's also going to get you into the Patreon chat with the rest of the discos over on Patreon. All right, go to disgraceandpod.com to sign up. Now before we do that, before we do that, before we jump into that, this is my reminder. This film should be played loud. Okay? New episode on do the Right Thing. You're not going to want to miss it. All access gets you into that action as well. This gracelandpod.com to sign up, you get our monthly video podcast. This film should be played loud where we talk about our favorite music in our our favorite movies. There's a new film for every episode. This episode again is on Spike Lee's do the Right Thing. You're not going to want to miss it. Go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up. And of course you can catch me and Seth in the rap party. In the Hollywoodland feed every week as well. Make sure you're following Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts iheartradio at wherever you get your podcasts. All right, back right after this. All right, we are back. We are ready to split. But before we do, just want to say we mentioned a ton of episodes, guys. Over 265 episodes in the archive and yet there is no Paul Weller in the jam episode. We talk about artists every single week. And like I said, so many of them have been covered in disgrace. And if you guys want, if you want info on how to best navigate to these artists, hit us up disgraceandpodmail.com email you can call 617-906-6638, voicemail and text and we'll point you in the right direction. Let's recap, shall we? Because I gotta get out of here. Number one this week, our new episode on Dolly Parton that's available for you right now. Number two in the rewind slot this weekend, our classic episode on Amy Winehouse. Number three next week. Coming up, our new episode on Slipknot. Number four is that's gonna give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland feed. So make sure you are subscribed. You're gonna get the wrap party over there. Current this film should be played loud video podcast Episode on that's July 29th. Go to disgraceandpod.com to sign up. Become an all access member to unlock exclusive content just like this along with ad free listening number 661-7906, 6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a community. A community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And, well, that's a disgrace.
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Back on March 27, 1976, the second night of Dolly Parton's jamboree. And this is what America was listening to on that day. According to the Billboard charts. One December 1963. Oh, what a night. The Four Seasons Last Week One Peak position 1 Weeks on chart 14 Number 2 Dreamweaver, Gary Wright. Last Week Three Peak position 2 Weeks on chart 13 Number 3 Lonely Night, Angel Face, Captain and Tenille. Last Week Five Peak position 3 Weeks on chart 10 Number 4 All by Myself, Eric Carmen lasso. Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it.