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Five Hour Energy Confetti Craze Flavor is available online. Head to www.fivehourenergy.com or Amazon to order yours today. Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show. The party. After the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission, to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we're talking about this week's full episode subject, Brian Wilson. We are rewinding back to our Oasis episodes, previewing our upcoming episode on 50 Cent. That's part two on 50 Cent. And we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories they didn't want told. The kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it. All right, Discos, listen. This week, unexpectedly, we're having fun, fun, fun. Until Charlie takes the T Bird away in our unofficial Beach Boys end of summer, endless bummer week here in Disgraceland with our brand new Brian Wilson episode alongside parts one and two of our Beach Boys rewound in the feed to tee you up for the genius of Brian Wilson. Part of Brian's story was of course, influenced by his brother Dennis's brush with Charles Manson. And we touch on that infamous beach studio session with Charles Manson in two of the three episodes that we released this week. The reason I'M talking about it here again, is because I found myself listening back to the mix from the Brian Wilson episode. And I mentioned something in that narrative about how there's long been this story that the recording session where the Beach Boys were trying to get Charles Manson and his songs down on tape devolved into an orgy, and that it was actually captured and recorded, that event. And then it looms large in the mythology of the Beach Boys, in the heads of Beach Boys fans, et cetera. And I thought, there's something more there for me to dig into and to try and figure out. And of course, we go pretty deep into it, or into the story, I should say, the broader story of Manson and Dennis Wilson and how that affected Brian Wilson in parts one and two of the Beach Boys episode and in the Brian Wilson's episode in the long and short of it is Dennis was eager to get Charlie on tape, and Charlie, along with his wild entourage of the girls, the Manson girls, proved to be a wildly unserious musician. And the session devolved, as I mentioned before, into chaos and, depending on who you believe, into an orgy that may or may not have been captured on tape. I don't really care about the orgy part of it, aside from confirming whether or not it happened, I don't really care to hear it. That's not what I'm interested in, who slept with who. That part doesn't matter to me. What sticks and what fans like us, I don't think can shake is the mystery of those tapes. Did it really happen? That's enough for me. Did Dennis Wilson really capture Charles Manson and the Beach Boys together? Was Brian Wilson his brother? The genius, the torture genius, who was. Who was. Had, like, one foot in the band at that time and one foot out? Was he really involved in any way? I've read accounts that he was. I've read accounts that he wasn't. And the fact of whether or not these tapes exist, it's fascinating to me. It's fascinating to think about who has claimed that they've heard them, who's made claims describing everything from sort of incoherent noise to fully baked demos with the Beach Boys backing Charlie. Just picture this like it breaks tomorrow. And this song is leaked from the Beach Boys archive, and it's literally the Beach Boys music with Charles Manson singing over it in a fully baked demo, as has been claimed. That would blow my mind. That, to me, is. Is very interesting. Whatever the truth of it is, it's all. This is just another reminder of how close the Light and the darkness can live inside the same room here in music history, and in this case, perhaps on the same reel of tape. And it all got me thinking about other long, whispered recording sessions that may or may not have happened. Recording mysteries that live somewhere between myth and memory. Long rumored tapes that may or may not exist. But if they do, they hold revelations that could change how we see our favorite artists. So I did a little research this morning before jumping on the mic with you guys, and I came up with a short list, counting down here from least interesting to most fascinating. A list of five mysterious recording sessions that may or may not have happened, but at least are worth talking about. And I want to know if there's more here. I know there's more. I absolutely know there's more. I know you guys are going to hear this, listening. You're going to be like, oh, you forgot that one. You forgot that. So hit me up. 617-906-6638. Let me know of any sort of, you know, music history recording sessions from the lore of music history's past and what I may have missed here. Number five. Okay, starting at number five. Said I'm starting in reverse order, going with what I think is the least interesting to the most interesting. Number five. Stevie Wonder's lost political protest album for the early 1970s. Now, between Stevie's albums, Talking Book and Intervisions, Stevie reportedly made an entire record of just fiery protest songs. And Motown didn't want to release it. They didn't want the backlash, the political backlash, which is just a complete mistake, in my opinion. I think this record, it's Stevie Wonder. So it's not like it's Stevie Wonder at that time was. Was. I use the word fiery. He was on fire. Creatively. I can't imagine that what was put down on tape is bad in any sense. And Stevie had sort of a great meter, a great insight into the. Into the conscience of America at the time. And I think this record would have been a smash, and I would love, love, love to hear it. Obviously, Motown, there was a bunch of tension about releasing the political songs from Marvin Gaye back in the day, and they lost that battle. However, they lost here, too, because this is. This is ultimately Motown's loss for not releasing this. Stevie said about this record that we've never heard in 1980, in an interview with Rolling Stone, I recorded songs that were too strong for Motown at the time. Songs that dealt with politics, Vietnam, Nixon. I knew they weren't going to put them out, so I just kept on writing and inner visions was the compromise. I have this one at number five, but honestly, it could be, could be higher. Anyhow, that's the long lost Stevie wonder record. Number four, Beatles Carnival of Light from 1967. It surprised me that I've never heard of this. Maybe I. I read about it at one point and I was researching something else and it didn't fit into what I was looking for, so I overlooked it. But this is really compelling to me. I'm surprised I've never heard of this. It's not a record. It's a 14 minute experimental sound collage that was recorded during the Sgt. Pepper sessions. I'm probably not preaching anything new here to Beatles heads who are all over this type of thing. Paul McCartney has confirmed that this exists, but no one's heard it. It's never been released, and apparently it's just too much of a sloppy, drugged out mess. And George Harrison vetoed Paul including it in the anthology back in 1996, which, when the Anthology was released. This feels like it's going to come out at some point and I should have checked this this morning. I know they're. I know they're reissuing the Anthology. Maybe this is part of. Seems to me like something that is not at all controversial. And even if it's a mess, Beatles fans will eat it up. Paul said about this in 2008, it's very avant garde. It's not a song, it's purely a kind of instrumental piece. I always wanted to put it out, but it's been vetoed. It does exist. The guys in charge of the Beatles stuff don't want it out. It's certainly no great piece of music by any means, but it's the Beatles playing freely and unselfconsciously. And I would love to hear that Paul and I guess Danny Harrison or whoever controls George's vote on the Beatles board or however this stuff is decided. Let's get that out there. This could be a great thing to listen to. Number three, the infamous Elvis Presley Hotel room tapes from the mid-1970s. There are rumored reels of Elvis supposedly jamming late at night with his entourage in Las Vegas in the hotel room or hotel suite. Raw, unfiltered. You know, I picture like a drunken version of the 68 comeback here. Just supposedly these recordings are laced with Elvis going in and out of gospel tunes, telling jokes, sometimes dirty jokes. There's been whispers about drug use. That's on these tapes. Who knows? Rca, who controls the Elvis catalog, has denied that these tapes exist. But this, to me, having seen and read and taken in enough Elvis research in my life, this seems. This is just. Seems strikes me as too, too true. Like, it. Absolutely. I've seen footage of Elvis with his boys hanging out, talking, and it's. This is kind of the vibe. I mean, I've never seen them doing pain, you know, taking painkillers and doing drugs or any of that stuff, but joking all the time. And just like, music is a big part of the social interaction. Going in and out of songs with an acoustic guitar, whoever's got one lying around. This does not seem out of the bounds of reality at all. It seems to me like maybe there, you know, there's just all this sort of like, protectionism around Elvis Presley and trying to pretend that he was just this, like, squeaky clean dude. And any hint at. At anything untoward or anything outside the. The bounds of, I don't know, like 1950s American mainstream culture is like, they can't have it. Which is just bullshit to me. Like, we all know who Elvis was. We all know what he was doing. Everyone then knew what he was doing. It's time to loosen the reins. And you know Elvis. Yeah. Dirty jokes, like, what are we talking about here? Like, how dirty could they be? You know what I'm saying? If anything, these jokes would probably endear younger people who aren't listeners of Elvis Presley to Elvis Presley. Show a more human side of him. Less idolized, less idolatry here and more humanism, I think would help the Elvis estate. But no one asked me for my opinion. The status here is RCA denies these exist. Graceland. The estate maintains the fact that these tapes don't exist and is denied anyone seeking permission to search through the vaults, wherever, whatever those are. Yeah, I don't know, man. I just. This is one of those things that I just totally think exists. And, you know, there's been friends, people from the Memphis mafia, et cetera. This is one quote from Elvis's friend Marty Lacquer, who said Elvis taped everything. House jams, rehearsals. But he would never want that kind of rough stuff out there. He cared too much about how he sounded. And I get that, and I believe that, and I totally think that's what's going on. Elvis, of course, was from a generation prior to this one, where we did not just, you know, sit down in front of a microphone on a Wednesday morning, sick as a dog like I am now, and talk into it and put it out into the world. And everything was refined. Everything was meant to be perfect, to present the Perfect picture of who you were creatively. It's not so much like that anymore. And that's why I think these tapes would actually really have an impact now. And really, I don't know, like I said, just humanize Elvis. So number two, we're going back to the Beatles. Sort of John, Paul, Ringo. No, George, Stevie Wonder, supposedly. And this is the story. This is the story that I heard supposedly during the time of the Lost Weekend era, John Lennon. John was out in LA jamming with a bunch of folks. This is when he's hanging out with Harry Nelson, making music for Phil Spector or with Phil Spector, I should say, hanging out with Alice Cooper. The whole Hollywood vampire scene, all of that. Paul McCartney comes out to pay a visit to John somehow after a long night of imbibing Paul. John, Ringo, who was around this whole scene during the time as well. So Ringo's there, the three of them. We've. Hey. Well, all of a sudden it's the 70s and we got a Beatles reunion here. Where's George? Well, they don't get George, they get Stevie Wonder and they go in and they. And they record or they play, I should say they jam. Who knows if they recorded or not. I've heard various depictions of this. Some say that there is a recording, some that say that there isn't. But crap man, John, Paul, Ringo and Stevie Wonder playing. That's just incredible. I heard Stevie was actually playing drums and Ringo was. No lie. And then Ringo is just kind of watching and that they're all coked out of their mind. That's how the story goes. I can't confirm or deny that, but that's the story that I've heard. Stevie has joked about this, saying that the session took place. Doesn't allude to or doesn't confirm whether or not they recorded anything. But he. Stevie called it a message, said that it was quote, it was all heart, not much music, unquote. But man, imagine hearing that. What would probably be, I'm guessing I was just about to say the last recording of John and Paul together. But there are rumors. I don't have the facts here. I know there's a story about Paul visiting John and them playing in like 1979, I believe closer to his death in 1980. I'll look that one up for the next time we talk. Talk Beatles. So that's number two. And number one is of course the Beach Boys, Charles Manson, so called sex tapes, orgy tapes, whatever you want to call them. And again, I don't care about the Sex part of it. So much as I care about whether or not this session actually gave any real fruit, okay, Whether it gave us any real recordings, this session supposedly took place in 1968. Now, this is a time, as you've learned from these Beach Boys episodes that we just dropped in the feed, this is a time when the Beach Boys were kind of at the height of their uncoolness and they're searching around for a way to be relevant. And Dennis discovers this guy, Charlie Manson, and he really thinks he's onto something. And Dennis, you know, you guys probably know this. Dennis wasn't the only one. Neil Young thought this. A lot of people thought this. But Anyways, this is 1968, and Dennis gets Charlie in the studio. It's his find. He's there to show his brothers what he's. What he's bringing to the table creatively. They get into brother's studio, that's the studio they own, and they start cutting with Charlie and things go sideways and they go sideways quick. Because as I said, Charlie was a fundamentally unserious musician. I wouldn't even use the term musician to describe him. It just denigrates the term and actual musicians. Which isn't to say that Charlie didn't create anything significant. He did. And he had a lot of influence on people. That's another story. I'm not going to go down that road. But there's so much here to dig into. Okay? There's way more than I thought. And my instincts were right when I, when my spidey senses went up when I was re listening to this mix this week and I, and I heard myself mention these infamous sessions and it struck me as just pure chasm content, or anti chasm content, I should say. Content that no one wants out there for various reasons. And there's a ton of to dig in here. And especially the big question is like, who's actually heard these tapes? 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