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Jake Brennan
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Five Hour Energy Confetti Craze Flavor is available online. Head to www.fivehourenergy.com or Amazon to order yours today. Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show. The party. After the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission, to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we're talking about this week's full episode subject, Brian Wilson. We are rewinding back to our Oasis episodes, previewing our upcoming episode on 50 Cent. That's part two on 50 Cent. And we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories they didn't want told. The kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it. All right, Discos, listen. This week, unexpectedly, we're having fun, fun, fun. Until Charlie takes the T Bird away in our unofficial Beach Boys end of summer, endless bummer week here in Disgraceland with our brand new Brian Wilson episode alongside parts one and two of our Beach Boys rewound in the feed to tee you up for the genius of Brian Wilson. Part of Brian's story was of course, influenced by his brother Dennis's brush with Charles Manson. And we touch on that infamous beach studio session with Charles Manson in two of the three episodes that we released this week. The reason I'M talking about it here again, is because I found myself listening back to the mix from the Brian Wilson episode. And I mentioned something in that narrative about how there's long been this story that the recording session where the Beach Boys were trying to get Charles Manson and his songs down on tape devolved into an orgy, and that it was actually captured and recorded, that event. And then it looms large in the mythology of the Beach Boys, in the heads of Beach Boys fans, et cetera. And I thought, there's something more there for me to dig into and to try and figure out. And of course, we go pretty deep into it, or into the story, I should say, the broader story of Manson and Dennis Wilson and how that affected Brian Wilson in parts one and two of the Beach Boys episode and in the Brian Wilson's episode in the long and short of it is Dennis was eager to get Charlie on tape, and Charlie, along with his wild entourage of the girls, the Manson girls, proved to be a wildly unserious musician. And the session devolved, as I mentioned before, into chaos and, depending on who you believe, into an orgy that may or may not have been captured on tape. I don't really care about the orgy part of it, aside from confirming whether or not it happened, I don't really care to hear it. That's not what I'm interested in, who slept with who. That part doesn't matter to me. What sticks and what fans like us, I don't think can shake is the mystery of those tapes. Did it really happen? That's enough for me. Did Dennis Wilson really capture Charles Manson and the Beach Boys together? Was Brian Wilson his brother? The genius, the torture genius, who was. Who was. Had, like, one foot in the band at that time and one foot out? Was he really involved in any way? I've read accounts that he was. I've read accounts that he wasn't. And the fact of whether or not these tapes exist, it's fascinating to me. It's fascinating to think about who has claimed that they've heard them, who's made claims describing everything from sort of incoherent noise to fully baked demos with the Beach Boys backing Charlie. Just picture this like it breaks tomorrow. And this song is leaked from the Beach Boys archive, and it's literally the Beach Boys music with Charles Manson singing over it in a fully baked demo, as has been claimed. That would blow my mind. That, to me, is. Is very interesting. Whatever the truth of it is, it's all. This is just another reminder of how close the Light and the darkness can live inside the same room here in music history, and in this case, perhaps on the same reel of tape. And it all got me thinking about other long, whispered recording sessions that may or may not have happened. Recording mysteries that live somewhere between myth and memory. Long rumored tapes that may or may not exist. But if they do, they hold revelations that could change how we see our favorite artists. So I did a little research this morning before jumping on the mic with you guys, and I came up with a short list, counting down here from least interesting to most fascinating. A list of five mysterious recording sessions that may or may not have happened, but at least are worth talking about. And I want to know if there's more here. I know there's more. I absolutely know there's more. I know you guys are going to hear this, listening. You're going to be like, oh, you forgot that one. You forgot that. So hit me up. 617-906-6638. Let me know of any sort of, you know, music history recording sessions from the lore of music history's past and what I may have missed here. Number five. Okay, starting at number five. Said I'm starting in reverse order, going with what I think is the least interesting to the most interesting. Number five. Stevie Wonder's lost political protest album for the early 1970s. Now, between Stevie's albums, Talking Book and Intervisions, Stevie reportedly made an entire record of just fiery protest songs. And Motown didn't want to release it. They didn't want the backlash, the political backlash, which is just a complete mistake, in my opinion. I think this record, it's Stevie Wonder. So it's not like it's Stevie Wonder at that time was. Was. I use the word fiery. He was on fire. Creatively. I can't imagine that what was put down on tape is bad in any sense. And Stevie had sort of a great meter, a great insight into the. Into the conscience of America at the time. And I think this record would have been a smash, and I would love, love, love to hear it. Obviously, Motown, there was a bunch of tension about releasing the political songs from Marvin Gaye back in the day, and they lost that battle. However, they lost here, too, because this is. This is ultimately Motown's loss for not releasing this. Stevie said about this record that we've never heard in 1980, in an interview with Rolling Stone, I recorded songs that were too strong for Motown at the time. Songs that dealt with politics, Vietnam, Nixon. I knew they weren't going to put them out, so I just kept on writing and inner visions was the compromise. I have this one at number five, but honestly, it could be, could be higher. Anyhow, that's the long lost Stevie wonder record. Number four, Beatles Carnival of Light from 1967. It surprised me that I've never heard of this. Maybe I. I read about it at one point and I was researching something else and it didn't fit into what I was looking for, so I overlooked it. But this is really compelling to me. I'm surprised I've never heard of this. It's not a record. It's a 14 minute experimental sound collage that was recorded during the Sgt. Pepper sessions. I'm probably not preaching anything new here to Beatles heads who are all over this type of thing. Paul McCartney has confirmed that this exists, but no one's heard it. It's never been released, and apparently it's just too much of a sloppy, drugged out mess. And George Harrison vetoed Paul including it in the anthology back in 1996, which, when the Anthology was released. This feels like it's going to come out at some point and I should have checked this this morning. I know they're. I know they're reissuing the Anthology. Maybe this is part of. Seems to me like something that is not at all controversial. And even if it's a mess, Beatles fans will eat it up. Paul said about this in 2008, it's very avant garde. It's not a song, it's purely a kind of instrumental piece. I always wanted to put it out, but it's been vetoed. It does exist. The guys in charge of the Beatles stuff don't want it out. It's certainly no great piece of music by any means, but it's the Beatles playing freely and unselfconsciously. And I would love to hear that Paul and I guess Danny Harrison or whoever controls George's vote on the Beatles board or however this stuff is decided. Let's get that out there. This could be a great thing to listen to. Number three, the infamous Elvis Presley Hotel room tapes from the mid-1970s. There are rumored reels of Elvis supposedly jamming late at night with his entourage in Las Vegas in the hotel room or hotel suite. Raw, unfiltered. You know, I picture like a drunken version of the 68 comeback here. Just supposedly these recordings are laced with Elvis going in and out of gospel tunes, telling jokes, sometimes dirty jokes. There's been whispers about drug use. That's on these tapes. Who knows? Rca, who controls the Elvis catalog, has denied that these tapes exist. But this, to me, having seen and read and taken in enough Elvis research in my life, this seems. This is just. Seems strikes me as too, too true. Like, it. Absolutely. I've seen footage of Elvis with his boys hanging out, talking, and it's. This is kind of the vibe. I mean, I've never seen them doing pain, you know, taking painkillers and doing drugs or any of that stuff, but joking all the time. And just like, music is a big part of the social interaction. Going in and out of songs with an acoustic guitar, whoever's got one lying around. This does not seem out of the bounds of reality at all. It seems to me like maybe there, you know, there's just all this sort of like, protectionism around Elvis Presley and trying to pretend that he was just this, like, squeaky clean dude. And any hint at. At anything untoward or anything outside the. The bounds of, I don't know, like 1950s American mainstream culture is like, they can't have it. Which is just bullshit to me. Like, we all know who Elvis was. We all know what he was doing. Everyone then knew what he was doing. It's time to loosen the reins. And you know Elvis. Yeah. Dirty jokes, like, what are we talking about here? Like, how dirty could they be? You know what I'm saying? If anything, these jokes would probably endear younger people who aren't listeners of Elvis Presley to Elvis Presley. Show a more human side of him. Less idolized, less idolatry here and more humanism, I think would help the Elvis estate. But no one asked me for my opinion. The status here is RCA denies these exist. Graceland. The estate maintains the fact that these tapes don't exist and is denied anyone seeking permission to search through the vaults, wherever, whatever those are. Yeah, I don't know, man. I just. This is one of those things that I just totally think exists. And, you know, there's been friends, people from the Memphis mafia, et cetera. This is one quote from Elvis's friend Marty Lacquer, who said Elvis taped everything. House jams, rehearsals. But he would never want that kind of rough stuff out there. He cared too much about how he sounded. And I get that, and I believe that, and I totally think that's what's going on. Elvis, of course, was from a generation prior to this one, where we did not just, you know, sit down in front of a microphone on a Wednesday morning, sick as a dog like I am now, and talk into it and put it out into the world. And everything was refined. Everything was meant to be perfect, to present the Perfect picture of who you were creatively. It's not so much like that anymore. And that's why I think these tapes would actually really have an impact now. And really, I don't know, like I said, just humanize Elvis. So number two, we're going back to the Beatles. Sort of John, Paul, Ringo. No, George, Stevie Wonder, supposedly. And this is the story. This is the story that I heard supposedly during the time of the Lost Weekend era, John Lennon. John was out in LA jamming with a bunch of folks. This is when he's hanging out with Harry Nelson, making music for Phil Spector or with Phil Spector, I should say, hanging out with Alice Cooper. The whole Hollywood vampire scene, all of that. Paul McCartney comes out to pay a visit to John somehow after a long night of imbibing Paul. John, Ringo, who was around this whole scene during the time as well. So Ringo's there, the three of them. We've. Hey. Well, all of a sudden it's the 70s and we got a Beatles reunion here. Where's George? Well, they don't get George, they get Stevie Wonder and they go in and they. And they record or they play, I should say they jam. Who knows if they recorded or not. I've heard various depictions of this. Some say that there is a recording, some that say that there isn't. But crap man, John, Paul, Ringo and Stevie Wonder playing. That's just incredible. I heard Stevie was actually playing drums and Ringo was. No lie. And then Ringo is just kind of watching and that they're all coked out of their mind. That's how the story goes. I can't confirm or deny that, but that's the story that I've heard. Stevie has joked about this, saying that the session took place. Doesn't allude to or doesn't confirm whether or not they recorded anything. But he. Stevie called it a message, said that it was quote, it was all heart, not much music, unquote. But man, imagine hearing that. What would probably be, I'm guessing I was just about to say the last recording of John and Paul together. But there are rumors. I don't have the facts here. I know there's a story about Paul visiting John and them playing in like 1979, I believe closer to his death in 1980. I'll look that one up for the next time we talk. Talk Beatles. So that's number two. And number one is of course the Beach Boys, Charles Manson, so called sex tapes, orgy tapes, whatever you want to call them. And again, I don't care about the Sex part of it. So much as I care about whether or not this session actually gave any real fruit, okay, Whether it gave us any real recordings, this session supposedly took place in 1968. Now, this is a time, as you've learned from these Beach Boys episodes that we just dropped in the feed, this is a time when the Beach Boys were kind of at the height of their uncoolness and they're searching around for a way to be relevant. And Dennis discovers this guy, Charlie Manson, and he really thinks he's onto something. And Dennis, you know, you guys probably know this. Dennis wasn't the only one. Neil Young thought this. A lot of people thought this. But Anyways, this is 1968, and Dennis gets Charlie in the studio. It's his find. He's there to show his brothers what he's. What he's bringing to the table creatively. They get into brother's studio, that's the studio they own, and they start cutting with Charlie and things go sideways and they go sideways quick. Because as I said, Charlie was a fundamentally unserious musician. I wouldn't even use the term musician to describe him. It just denigrates the term and actual musicians. Which isn't to say that Charlie didn't create anything significant. He did. And he had a lot of influence on people. That's another story. I'm not going to go down that road. But there's so much here to dig into. Okay? There's way more than I thought. And my instincts were right when I, when my spidey senses went up when I was re listening to this mix this week and I, and I heard myself mention these infamous sessions and it struck me as just pure chasm content, or anti chasm content, I should say. Content that no one wants out there for various reasons. And there's a ton of to dig in here. And especially the big question is like, who's actually heard these tapes? What's really on them? That's what I'm going to get into in the exclusive research and development section of this after party. To hear it though, you got to be a Disgraceland All Access member. It's easy. It's five bucks. Go to Disgracelandpod.com membership and sign up on Patreon or through Apple Podcasts. And I'm going to drink some tea, guys. I'm going to get myself ready. I'm going to come in here for the C block, hopefully with less congestion, and we're going to dive into Your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and more Right after this. So how much money do you have? Weird question, right? But can you answer it? Sure. You know probably roughly how much money you have. But most people don't know exactly how much money they have or how much they have in various accounts. This modern digital era that we're living in was supposed to make everything easier, but sometimes everything these days, especially when it comes to finances, seems more confusing than ever. 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Jake Brennan
All right, welcome back to the after party. Happy to have you guys here. As you know, Brian Wilson is this week's full episode of Disgraceland, which, if you have not heard it, I don't know what you're doing. Go check that out. We've got coming up here in our rewind slots right after this after party episode, our two part story on Oasis. You might have heard Oasis is lighting up the world right now with their reunion tour. They've been in the States, they've been crushing it and we thought, hey, what a perfect time to dip into the Brothers Gallagher. Love these episodes. You're going to love them too if you haven't heard them. They're coming up right after this after party. Finally, next week, the next new episode, we're dropping into the feed. 50 Cent Part 2. 50 Cent, this story is massive. There's obviously so much to his background, his origin story. That's really what the first 50 Cent episode was all about. His, his come up, where he came from. It's so riddled with great true crime. I couldn't leave that stuff sitting in the research. I had to bring it to you. And as a result, I barely got into the shooting of. I mean, I did get into the shooting of 50 Cent, but there's so much more to the story of who did that, how that came about, why it happened. And we're really digging into that in part two of the 50 Cent story coming your way on Tuesday. And you know, 50 Cent is a fascinating character to me. He just seems, I don't. He's an, he's an enigma in one way, but in the other, in another way, he never shuts up. He's constantly talking, he's constantly starting shit. He's really fascinating to me and it got me thinking. And this is the question of the week that I want you to be thinking about when you're listening to the 50 Cent episode. Which hip hop star, dead or alive, would you most want to chill out with and have a drink with, or, you know, just, just spend some time with and listen to them talk, ask some questions. It's gotta be a hip hop star. Which one is it 50 Cent? He's high on my list. I don't know, he might be number one just because he seems to be so fricking crazy and like I said, such an enigma. But I want to know your answer. 617-906-6638 voicemail and text to hear yourself possibly in the next afterparty episode. You know where I'm at? I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I am hanging on the telephone. This week's Question of the week relative to our Brian Wilson story was which artists, living or dead, best fits the description of tortured artists? 902 texts in hey Jake, this is Babs from the 506, but I'm telling you, her number is 902. Babs, what's up Babs in the 506 in New Brunswick, Canada. And Babs says, responding to the call for most tortured artists, my pick has got to go to Elliot Smith. His story of his childhood with abuse at the hands of his stepfather, his struggle with drugs and depression, and this much too early mysterious death is enough to bring tears to your eyes just thinking about it, all soundtracked by his hauntingly beautiful music. Love the podcast. Thanks for all the great stories. Rocka Rolla. Yes, Babs, I don't disagree with you. Elliot Smith, certainly a tortured artist in his death. My goodness, I have so much to say. I have nothing to say. It's, you know, we talked about it a couple weeks ago. We talked about the mystery behind it. A lot of people want to act like it wasn't a mystery. A lot of people want to act like it's perfectly normal for somebody to take a knife and stab themselves in the heart. I guess maybe if you're Elliot Smith and you are as tortured as Elliot Smith is, it might seem normal. It might seem like, hey, this guy is the king of heartbreak. So yeah, he stabbed himself in the heart. But I'm just not buying it, Babs. Doesn't sound like you are either. Appreciate the text. 312 on the same topic writes in hey, in regard to the tortured artist question, I would have to say Nick Drake. I know he was depressed and overdosed and passed away far too young, but the music he left behind is not music made by someone who is happy and well adjusted, though. Since when do happy and well adjusted people make interesting music? On a personal note, Pink Moon is the only album to move me to tears the first time I heard it. It's beautiful and sad and the sparseness of the production just broke me. And his voice is so soft and heartfelt, making me tear up just thinking about it. That's the 312 on Nick Drake. I know there's a Nick Drake story in there for us guys. I know it. I know it's there. I don't know what it is. I gotta admit, I'm a little scared to dig in. I like heartbreak as much as the next guy, but you know, it's tough sometimes. I would also add 312 and 902. I would add to this list Jeff Buckley and his demise. And I wonder if anybody's seen this movie yet. 617-906-6638 Call me, let me know if you have. I was gonna watch it this weekend. You can watch it on Apple. I was gonna watch it this weekend with my wife but we got too busy. We didn't end up seeing it. We were hanging out with friends. We had ourselves a good a lot of social stuff this weekend so it didn't happen. Perhaps this weekend. So check it out if you haven't seen it. Maybe we'll talk about it next week in the after party. 617-906-6638. You guys want to send me a text? Leave me a voicemail on any subject at all, question of the week or otherwise. Next week's question of the week is going to be which hip hop star, living or dead, do you want to hang out with? Would you want to have a beer with? Maybe a smoke with? Maybe just chill? 617-906-6638 Let me know. All right. Disgracelandpodmail.com youm guys want to hit me up on email? Promise to give you guys more readings of the emails. It's been a while, so Sunny Bex writes in she says subject. Thank you message. Thank you so much for noting the thievery of Yayoi Kusama. I may be pronouncing that name wrong. This is an artist. I'm gonna spell it out for you so you can check her out. It's Y a Y O I Kusama K U S A M A thank you so much for noting the theory of Yayoi Kusama in your podcast. Most people are not aware that any, much less multiple successful male artists stole from her over those years. So thank you for noting Warhol. Hopefully it will burst his bubble in some people's eyes. I mentioned the scene with Andy Warhol directly lifting from this artist in a pretty obvious and direct way. When I read this depiction, it really shocked me and the theft of it was just so blatant. And I believe it's in not in the Andy Warhol episode of Disgrace. And I'm pretty sure what Sonny Bex here is referring to is the David Bowie episode. And I get into a little bit of back and forth between Bowie and Andy Warhol and that's where I brought this anecdote to life. So if you want to hear more about that, check out the David Bowie episode. Tristan Dietrich writes in Subject Chasm Rant Message Jake, I have only recently discovered your podcast. They're very entertaining. Music has been my primary art of inspiration from a very young age. I worked in the music business between around 1988 and 2000. Record labels, producer management, a recording studio, artist management mostly in LA and for a couple years in nyc. It is such a pleasure. Such was all caps. Such a pleasure to listen to stories I already know but would never tell and to learn new info. I'm absolutely on board with your Kasm rant and appreciate the moniker. The sanitization of these incredible stories is a huge deficit to pop culture and eventually even our collective unconscious. Thank you so much for the entertainment and well written delivery. Tristan. Thank you for writing. Thank you for validating my take here on Kasm, the corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine that prevents us from getting to the truth of the stories from music history. This has become more of an issue recently as the gatekeeping, especially on the studio side, has become just insane. And also as it pertains to digital media and where I'm finding this most, Tristan, in our little corner of the world here. When I get into the After Party episodes with you guys, I can pretty much go bandy about whatever theories we want, go back and forth. We can discuss them with nuance, like we're doing with this Charles Manson sex tape thing with the Beach Boys. We're talking about it, we're presenting these theories, we're figuring out whether or not it happened or not together in real time. And there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not coming out in a salacious way and saying that there's an orgy tape with Brian Wilson and you know, and Al Jardine. You know what I mean? Like, that's not what I'm doing. Clearly I'm digging in to these stories that have long been whispered as Tristan is validating here and trying to find out if they're real or not. And I'm being pretty open about the sourcing and who said what and who's refuted this stuff and who's confirmed it. And my point is that you can do that in audio, you can do that with a podcast in audio form. It gets really difficult to do for some reason in digital media with video. And I don't know why. YouTube, Spotify, you know, Spotify has this whole video podcast thing they're doing now. YouTube and Spotify, they are much more restrictive with what they will even let you talk about. And I know there's been, you know, the way things have changed over the last couple years, there's been a lot of mentioning about, well, it's, you can do more, there's more freedom. It's like, yeah, there is and there isn't. So much of this content is controlled and monitored by artificial intelligence that picks up key words. And you say things like jokingly off the cuff, like orgy, or you even, even mention Charles Manson, even mention serial killer as a descriptor of somebody, and your content will get flagged. And if you don't have a huge, huge following on that specific platform, it's really hard for you to fight and to get your content seen. And it pisses me off. It's so restrictive. It's more restrictive than the 1980s. It's more restrictive than the PMRC days, which I'm writing about right now in our Judas Priest episode. And again, thankfully, I'm not talking about the audio world. I'm not talking about what are real podcasts. I'm talking about the digital media video side of the fence, which is where everything's going, which is where the audience is going. It's going to YouTube. And Spotify is clearly saying it's going to Spotify as well. This has to get fixed, otherwise we're just gonna end up with, to Tristan's point here with this sort of super vanilla depiction of history. And I'm only concerned with music history, but this applies to everything. And I don't know what the solution is except to keep talking about it and keep trying to fix it in some way. But yeah, that's Chasm, the corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine. The studio side is a whole other beast that I've talked about in the past and we'll talk about in the future. Tristan, thanks for the email. Hit us back if you want, my friend. You got me off on a rant there. I gotta take a break. I'll be back in a flash.
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Jake Brennan
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Jake Brennan
All right, we are back. Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back. You know where you're at. You're in the after party. You're in the Disgraceland afterparty. In the Disgraceland feed. You're not in the Hollywoodland feed, but there is a Hollywoodland feed for you to mess with. And what you're gonna get over there is a full archive, as you know, of some of the greatest true crime storytelling from Hollywood, myself and Zeth Lundy giving you the goods every week. Subscribe to Hollywoodland wherever you get your podcasts. Now I'm going to switch gears from Hollywood to sports real quick. This 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds is once again sponsored by the fine folks at Five Hour Energy in their new confetti craze Flavor. It tastes just like birthday cake with a vanilla and buttery flavor to let you be unapologetically extra and unstoppably energized. Head to your local retailer www.fivehourenergy.com or Amazon to order yours today. All right, Matt, give us a little TikTok now. I'm not going to rant about the Red Sox slipping in September. I'm not going to complain about the fact that they were merely tied with the Yankees for second place and how, yeah, that might be good enough for some people, but tied for second is a glorified participation trophy and it doesn't guarantee us anything in October. You know what tied for second means? It means we are also tied for just first place in the wild card standings. Yay. First place in the wild card standings. I don't give a shit about the wild card standings. I mean, I do, but man, it's not an enviable place to be. Don't even get me started on the less than ideal playoff ramifications this portends. Why do we even have to mess around with this type of thing? Red Sox ownership? Why do we have to always be too clever? By half, John Henry's team has more money than God. So why can't you just go out at the trade deadline in the preseason and sign studs? Trade for studs. Don't trade away studs. Don't let your free agent studs go to the damn Dodgers. Yeah, I'm never getting over mookie bets. I'm not. Sign legit starting pitchers. Why don't you sign players that rival the other beasts in the league? Yes, the Yankees, but also the Dodgers, the Phillies. I'm sitting here sweating the wild card race, but do we really think we're going to go far with this team as presently constituted in the playoffs against the iron of the league? I have seen this movie before and I don't like how it ends. Help me, Matt. How did I do? Okay, Jake. An improvement, 114 today. You seem, you know, pretty amped up. Yeah, man, I'm clearly. I'm not yet over the shellacking that Garrett Crochet took last night in last night's game. And I'm emotionally keyed up. Keyed up. Keyed up. So, you know, I'll take the ball again in another, what, seven days? And we'll see how we do then. Anyways, that was the sports rant sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new confetti craze flavor. Unleash your party vibes with as much caffeine as your favorite 12 ounce fancy coffee, but with zero sugar and zero crash. Available in stores on Amazon or at www.fivehourenergy.com. all right, speaking of rants, want to hear crazy cult members ranting hippie dippy sexgasms in the studio over the sound of America's band? Yeah, I thought you did. We're talking about the mysterious existence of the long lost Beach Boys recording session with Charles Manson and his family and what's actually on the tape and whether or not those tapes even exist. I think you're going to be surprised with my take on this one. Not my tape, with my take. So lots of questions surrounding this topic. Which band member once admitted the band had these tapes in their possession? Who was supposedly seen tossing the master tapes into the ocean? And what did Charles Manson himself say about these supposed tapes? What's on them? And most important, what does Charles Manson being backed by the Beach Boys actually sound like? Were these tapes destroyed? Were they locked away in the vaults? Or are they sitting on unheard, waiting to rewrite a piece of music history? I'm digging into this mystery right now in the exclusive section of this after party. Look, I think there's an entire episode here for us to do just on this subject. I'm not saying we're doing it. I'm kicking it around with you. I want your feedback. If you want to hear what I got to say on all this, you got to be an All Access member to hear it. Go to disgracesandpod.com membership and get access. Five bucks a month. That's all it costs right now. Prices are going up, though. Five bucks a month will get you into this exclusive section of the after party. All right, we are back. Thank you for joining me in this after party. Listen, in the vault, we got tons of episodes that were mentioned, as always sitting there waiting for you to get into if you haven't heard the them yet. We talked about David Bowie. That story is available. We talked about the Beatles. Talked a bunch of about the Beatles. We basically have episodes on every single Beatle, including Stu Sutcliffe. Check those out. Also two episodes on the band themselves. We brought up Elvis. We've got an Elvis episode. And we brought up what else? Motown. You can check that out. Matt's going to have the episode info in the show notes section of this here afterparty, so you can easily find those stories if you want to check them out. Let's recap, shall we? Number one, this week's full episode of Brian Wilson is available for you to listen to right now. Number two, coming up in the rewind slots right after this after party, parts one and two on Oasis. Number three. Up next, our new episode on 50 Cent. That's a part two episode. Number four, over in Hollywoodland right now, our episode on Charlie Chaplin. Number 561-790-666638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting. Hit us up with your answers to this week's question of the week or whatever else you want to talk about. Number six, don't forget discos. This isn't just content, it's a community. A community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And, well, that's a disgrace. All right. Brian Wilson passed away recently on June 11, 2025. Here's what we were listening to in America on that day just a couple months ago. According to the billboard charts. Number 1 Man Child Sabrina Carpenter Last Week Non Applicable Peak Position 1 Weeks on Chart 1 Number 2 Ordinary Alex Warren Last Week 1 Peak Position 1 Weeks on Chart 18 Number 3 what I Want Morgan Wallen featuring Tate McRae Last Week 2 Peak Position 1 Weeks on Chart Number 4 Just Weak Case Morgan Wallen Last Week 3 Peak Position 2 Weeks on Chart 12 Number 5 Quit Talking and start mixing Cut it Packages by Expedia. You were made to occasionally take the hard route to the top of the Eiffel Tower. We were made to easily bundle your trip Expedia Made to travel Flight inclusive packages are atoll protected.