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Jake Brennan
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Jake Brennan
Express it now.
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Jake Brennan
hey discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the After Party. This is the show after the show. The party. After the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. It's the backyard to dig into the dirt where our mission is to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, and to reclaim the story for music history. On this bonus episode, Dave Gahan from Depeche Mode died, came back to life. What he saw afterward has us asking, where do rock stars go when they die? The near death experiences of the Depeche Mode frontman and other rock stars, plus your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told. The kind that you'll end up telling someone else. Alright, discos, let's get into it. Where do Rock stars go when they die. They don't go to heaven. Where the angels fly. In this week's episode of Disgraceland on Depeche Mode, part of the story focuses on the near death experience of singer Dave Gahan. The time his heart stopped for two minutes after injecting a speedball in 1996. Dave survived. And I love NDE stories, that's near death experience. So I love this story. I love NDE stories, near death experience stories, because it's the greatest trick in storytelling at play where you tease the audience with the answer to a question that is just. They just. They have to have the answer. They can't not have it. And this is the greatest question of all. What comes next? I read a book on near death experiences once by a neurosurgeon, a neurosurgeon who claims to have had an nde, excuse me, himself. He suffered from a coma and he came back and he gave a scientific explanation of what he believes happened to him and where he went while he was clinically dead and before he returned. And he too, this neurosurgeon, like Dave Kahan, like I said, was clinically dead for a moment. Now, Dave Kahan told enemy in 2013 that when he died, he was floating above his own body in the hospital room and looking down at his former self while paramedics went about trying to save his life. He said that these seconds of death that he experienced, for him anyways, they moved like hours. Time moved slow. He also said that he was screaming, but nothing was happening. And he believes this was his soul screaming out. And then came darkness, complete, all encompassing darkness and just this blackness. This is the important part. It was frightening until Dave was eventually thrust back into his body before waking up alive. Now in the book Proof of Heaven, A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the afterlife, the Dr. Eben Alexander, this is the neurosurgeon I was talking about earlier. He went further in his near death experience than Dave Gahan. His time of unconsciousness lasted longer than the Depeche Mode frontman's. Dr. Alexander was in a coma for a full seven days. He describes his time on the other side as a place of unconditional love. A place where love permeates every element of your being, of being tapped into a universal consciousness where telepathic communication between other souls is possible. Where rich vibrant colors dance with a divine light. A portal of sorts, okay? A gateway to, as he describes it, the all knowing, loving creator should be noted, by the way, that Dr. Alexander was an Atheist, I believe, before he wrote this book. And he doesn't go into spirituality or religion or faith very much at all. That's not what this book is. It's, again, it's very scientific take on his experience. He describes the afterlife as a place where one soul continues to learn and grow and where everything is guided by the constant overwhelming sensation of connectedness and love. That sounds fucking awesome, but it also sounds a little bit different than Dave Gahan from Depeche Mode's experience. He was experiencing an all encompassing, frightening blackness. Now, I don't really know how Dr. Even Alexander lived his life. From what I remember from the book and I read it, I don't remember how many years ago, it wasn't that long ago. But from what I remember, he led a pretty normal life as not only as a doctor, but as a father, a husband, a brother, a son. And his time in his coma was marked by family members who visited him, were caring for him. These are all the signs of a man who not only was loved, but who also most likely put a lot of love into the world. And my point is that we can probably assume that the doctor here didn't live a life of Depeche Mode debauchery and leave a trail of emotional hardship and personal relationship casualties along the way, as most rock stars do. Maybe this is why his afterlife experience, the Doctors, was so different from the rock stars from Dave Kahan's. And then again, maybe he just wanted to sell a lot of books. I don't know. People say a lot of things, okay? Even doctors, but especially musicians. I just watched a video last night of Robbie Williams, by the way, claiming that he'd had sex with a reptile or with a woman who turned into a reptile in the middle of sex. I shit you not. He's dead serious. I've talked about this before. John Lennon. You know, we all love John Lennon. You know, man of. I don't need to qualify who John Lennon was. We all know who John Lennon was, right? But John Lennon went on a New York News program in 1974 and detailed, told a story in detail and in all seriousness to his fellow New yorkers about the UFO that he saw flying over his 52nd street apartment. Okay? Rock stars say crazy shit. Keith Richards claims that he snorted the ashes of his cremated father. Quincy Jones said that Paul McCartney was the worst bass player he ever heard. He also claimed Marlon Brando had sex with a mailbox. By the way, in the exclusive section of this after party episode, Zeth and I are going to dive into the wild. Wild comments from the last interviews that Quincy Jones gave before he died. All the outlandish stories that Quincy told. Go to Disgracelandpod.com to become an All Access member of Disgraceland and you'll get our take on this Quincy Jones madness by unlocking this exclusive content and more. Back to our story, however, where was I? Yes, the outlandish things that Rock Stars say Quincy Jones said. Like I mentioned, the Paul McCartney sucked. All right, Billy Corgan says that he once encountered a shapeshifter. Demi Lovato believes that her extraordinary vocal talent is derived from extraterrestrial origins. Grimes says that she was raised by nhes, not to be confused with ndes. Nhes. That's what we're talking about here. That's what Grimes is talking about. NHES are non human entities. Aliens. Tall whites or the grays or ultra terrestrials or shape shifters or fucking reptile people. Non human entities. This is who Grimes believes raised her. Okay, listen, who am I to judge? What do we actually know anyways? The more I learn, the less I know. That's how I feel. That's how I feel these days. The more I learn, the less I know. So who am I to tell Dave Gahan that he didn't die? Or to tell a neurosurgeon, again, a literal brain surgeon, that he doesn't know what he's talking about? Now, there have been other rock stars who have claimed to have died and not one of them describes their experiences as being one of love and connectedness like the good doctor here. Not that I've seen anyways. And I'm talking about real rock stars, not nice guys who play in jazz bands with their local pastors on the weekend. Not. Not guys. You know who I'm talking about. Rock stars. Okay? Depeche Fucking Modes frontman Nikki Sixx. Okay, all of the real rock star near death experience descriptions that I've read align closer to Dave Gahan's description of fear and darkness. When Nikki Sixx died, he described the incident as being painful. When Phil Anselmo of Pantera, when he died, as he claims, his near death experience was a time spent in a black void. And there are others, but you get the gist. Fear, pain, a black void, these life after death rock star experiences, at least compared to the experience again of the neurosurgeon and frankly, countless other accounts by non rock stars of NBEs. These experiences at the Rock Stars detail they sound hellish compared to a state of connectedness and love, which sounds heavenly. Maybe that's by design. I'm not saying it is. I'm just asking questions here again. Where do rock stars go when they die? They don't go to heaven, where the angels fly. I'm paraphrasing the Meat Puppets lyric that Kurt Cobain sang back in the early 90s. The real lyric is, where do bad folks go when they die? They don't go to heaven where the angels fly. They go to a lake of fire and fry. See him again on the fourth of July. And you know what? I believe what the Me Puppets are saying here. I believe that there is some sort of grand sorting of souls after all, of whatever the hell this is. And that what we do here in this life matters. And I've always believed that. Even when I didn't know that I believed that, I still believed that, and I've acted accordingly. Which isn't to say that I've always acted with love. I haven't. To paraphrase Fiona Apple, the next rock star that I'm gonna write about, I've been a bad, bad boy. But a lot of us have. All of us have. But nothing compared to how our rock stars have acted. Rock stars, like the rest of us, are complicated souls. They're capable of good and bad in equal measure sometimes. But for whom? Selfishness and sociopathy and pride. You know, for the rock stars, these are more like job requirements than personality flaws. Not so much sins, but rather tools to ply their trade, is what I'm getting at. Okay? All that bad behavior to manifest life experiences here and now that are filled with drama, crime, even murder, rape, arson, cannibalism. Those, of course, are the worst of the worst. That's the worst of the behavior from our rock stars. But then there's the garden variety rock star narcissism and dickishness that leaves a trail of emotional chaos and wreckage that the rock star then unconsciously minds experiences, transgressive, dark experiences that they use to create with dark events from their own lives brought about by their own free will. Real pain, pain that they bring upon others. Oftentimes no different than us in some cases. Who among us hasn't broken someone's heart, right? Who among us hasn't unknowingly slighted someone else, made them feel small, brought pain into the world. We all do it, okay? But the rock star, the rock star, some of them anyway, the real rock star is capable of bringing about a different kind of pain. And like everything in the rock star's life, the pain is bigger. And that pain brings Big results. Again, it's the well they draw upon to write their songs to create. And here's the irony. To create is to love creation. The act of bringing something into the world, something that is going to bring joy to somebody else, like a song or an album or a live music experience. To create those things, it's an act of love. So what I'm saying, I guess is where do rock stars go when they die? Should they go to heaven? Where the angels fly? Where the brain surgeons go, at least I don't know. All I know is Dave Gahan wrote the song Personal Jesus. And when my poor Greek Orthodox mother walked into our living room and found a 16 year old me watching that video with the imagery of slinky Dave Gahan shirtless, strutting around a dusty Mexican Sam Peckinpah set with those lyrics, your own personal Jesus reach out and touch me. She was pissed. It pained her, no doubt, to watch her son, her 16 year old son, being taken in by what to her was again, no doubt some symbol of the Antichrist right there in her living room. Call Father Karras. All right, let's exorcise this bitch. But does this mean Dave Gahan should go to hell? Does it mean he is going to hell? I have no idea, man. This is not for me, my mother or Father Karras to decide. But still, to quote Dave Gahan, frightening darkness, okay? That's what he saw. Frightening darkness. Quite different from what the neurosurgeon saw. Does that mean anything? Again, I don't know. None of us know anything. Like I said, the more I learn, the less I know. I don't know what any of this adds up to, but it is fun to talk about. And it's the exact type of thing that we'd be talking about at the house party after the gig. At the after party, did Dave Gahant die and come back to life? He thinks so. Did Nikki Sixx? Nikki Sixx says a lot of shit. Did Marlon Brando have sex with a mailbox like Quincy Jones says? Did Billy Corgan really see a shape shifter? Again, these are the hard hitting serious questions we ask here in Disgracelands afterparty. And sometimes get the answer. At least try to. You can answer them too, but you gotta call me to do that. 617-906-6638. Leave me a voicemail or send me a text. I got a big question. Coming to next week's episode. How did Foo Fighters drummer Taylor Hawkins die? Taylor did not come back from the dead, unfortunately. He died tragically in a Colombian hotel and we still don't know how. For real? There's still no official cause of death. It's been four years since one of the most famous drummers on the planet died, and we still don't have an official cause of death. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Why not? What's the deal? Well, I'm going to tell you what I think is going on in that episode next week, and when I'm done, I'd like your opinion on the cause of Taylor Hawkins death. How did he die? I want to know what you think. So get your calls, texts, 617-906-6638 get them into me. DM me DisgraceLandPod on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok X and email me DisgraceLandPodgmail.com Coming up Sunday, our rewind episode, okay, for this week is our classic episode on Selina. Okay, we do have an official cause of death for Selina, and it was heartbreaking and entirely unnecessary. And this tragedy has become one of the classic true crime stories from music history. If you haven't heard, if you have heard it, but you haven't heard us tell it, then I invite you to fire up your podcast app this Sunday. While you're out by the grill or you're in your garden, you're making breakfast in the kitchen for your family. Whatever you're doing, just pop in your earbuds and spin through Disgraceland and the tragic tale of Selena with us. All right, next week, like I said, next Tuesday, our new episode on the Foo Fighters. And coming up next right here in the after party, right after this, Your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more from last week's Question of the Week. So don't go anywhere.
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Jake Brennan
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Jake Brennan
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Jake Brennan
All right? Debbie Harry said it best from Blondie. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. You got me hanging on the telephone. 617-906-6638. Let's check out D in the 21 4.
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Listener Caller
Hey, Jake, it's Dee from Dallas, Texas, and I just listened to your show, your Disgraceland episode on Depeche Mode, and you were asking for suggestions of covers, and you have to check out Tim Dracula's version of Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls. I'm sure you've heard it because you're such a cult, such a well rounded cultural kind of guy, but if you haven't, you've got to listen to it. So out of the norm, out of character for everything that they usually do. But it's frickin awesome. And the first time I heard it, it made me cry. Give it a listen.
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Jake Brennan
All right. D I'll see your Kim Dracula Goo Goo Dolls Iris, and I will raise you a Megadeth. Anarchy in the UK by the Sex Pistols cover. Check that. Checked out the Kim Dracula cover of Goo Goo Dolls. And I gotta say, I liked it better than the Goo Goo Dolls version of Iris, which is everywhere these days. That song, it's everywhere. It's everywhere. And I don't love that song to begin with, but at least this one's more interesting. Thank you. D. Appreciate you. D in the 214. And this is a nice intro to Daniel in the 707. Let's hear from Daniel.
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Listener Caller
Hey, Jake. This is Daniel from 707, California's Pacific Northwest. My selection for the best cover song is going to be Megadeth's version of These Boots, the 1966 song by Nancy Sinatra. The original one we all know, we all love, we're pretty familiar with. So Megadeth, of course, reimagined it in a metal fashion, which included spicing up and changing the lyrics a bit in addition to everything else. So this leads to a little bit of a story because the songwriter Lee Hazelwood apparently was not having it. And he said, no permission, no go. Mustaine fought it in court, said, hey, it's managed, it's satire, it's irony, it's comedy. But it wasn't going. So their response was in subsequent releases of the Megadeth album, they just bleeped out some of the lyrics, but that was pretty much obnoxious and unlistenable. So the third solution was to simply release their metal version of the song originally, but with Nancy Sinatra slash Lee Hazelwood's actual lyrics of the song. I don't know legally how that all works, but apparently that settled it and so now we just have the straightforward metal version of these Boots. All right, so we'll wrap it up now, but one last note is that this dovetails with last week's question about memoirs and autobiographies, for which I will say the book Mustaine by Dave Mustaine himself is a absolutely great read. So thank you. Love you all.
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Jake Brennan
Daniel, I have never heard the Megadeth version of the Nancy Sinatra song. But like I just mentioned, I do, or I did at least really dig the Megadeth cover of the Sex Pistols Anarchy in the uk. And I'm not embarrassed to admit that that was the first version of that song that I heard as a young boy. And I quickly though went to the Sex Pistols and that is the classic version. Obviously it's better than the Guns N Roses version. It's better than any any attempt at that song. Nothing compares to the Sex Pistols version. Thank you for your call, Daniel. Appreciate you. All right, let's go. Sean, let's bring us to the 905.
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Listener Caller
Hey friend. Just regarding the Rock and Roll hall of Fame do over or Fresh Start list, I gotta say I like where you're heads at. Don't agree with every pick. I do heavily agree with Jay Giles band. However they should be in already. But I for myself, I think I I would consider any hall of Fame illegitimate if it didn't have the Pixies, I mean, influence. It's no secret that two of the Pixies biggest fans are Kurt Cobain and Damon Alburn. They talk about them all the time. Or used to counterculture. I mean arguably their two biggest mainstream moments came in the form of movie soundtracks. Both which were entirely about counterculture and pump up the volume in Fight Club. So yeah, any haul that I would want to be a part of definitely has to include the Pixies. Pixies.
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Jake Brennan
Pixies.
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Listener Caller
Pixies Right on. Great content. Peace.
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Jake Brennan
Okay, guys. I don't know how many messages and voicemails we got about the Pixies and Jay Gosband. I mentioned Jay Gosband last week, that they should be part of our Disgraceland Rock and Roll hall of Fame. And they are. I think we just inducted them and I think they're being from Boston prompted the Pixies responses as well, which I absolutely agree with. The Pixies should be in the real Rock and Roll hall of Fame, full stop. And you bring up a really good point, like, we know about the Nirvana influence. We sometimes. I sometimes forget about the Blur influence, which you mentioned. You mentioned both of those. 905. But also the cultural argument because of the movie soundtrack piece is huge as well. And it goes to show just how influential and important that band is. And I don't know, have they ever been nominated? That's something I'm going to find out. They should be. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know if this happens. If you get nominated for the Rock and Roll hall of Fame and if you're like Susan Lucci and you just miss it for, you know, five years in a row or whatever, they just stopped nominating you. I don't know if that happened to the Pixies or not. If it did, it's a damn shame. I'll look into it for you. I'll report back next week, 905 and everyone else who recommended the Pixies. 714-714. Sean, go to the 71 4.
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Listener Caller
Hey, Jake. This is Junior 714 Cover Songs. First one comes to mind. So many great ones out there, but one of my favorites, Mojo Nixon's cover of the Smith Girlfriend in a Coma. Freaking fun cover. I. If you haven't heard it, I hope you enjoy it. Rip Mojo Nixon. And you're doing a great job, Jay. Keep doing what you're doing, brother. I'll talk to you later. Bye.
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Jake Brennan
Mojo Nixon, Girlfriend in a Coma by the Smiths. No, I have never heard that, but I'm interested, man. I am interested. We've been having a lot of fun with the Smiths lately. In our video podcast, this film should be played loud. We have a category that we get to now every, in every episode which quote from this movie should be a Smith song title. And we. We pulled a great. A couple great ones out of High Fidelity, which you will hear next week when we release the next episode of this film should be played loud. You gotta be a Patreon member, though, to check that out. Go to disgraceandpod.com to sign up. 617-90666-38714. Thanks for the Mojo Nixon message again. Let's do. Let's go to the 920.
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Listener Caller
Greetings, fellow discos. I'm down low in the 920. I drive all day fixing vending machines. And while I'm doing that, I love to listen to the Disgrace Land and Hollywood Land. And Jake brought up Unlikely remix. Okay? The OG Johnny Cash with her. Fair enough. Here's one that's not necessarily unlikely, but the first time I heard War Pigs was Faith no More's War Pigs. And then when I heard the original Black Sabbath. I like Faith no More better. And it comes down to production artisan skill. But you know what? Sometimes the first time you hear a specific song and time you like it, to bed, no shade, said the Sabbath. All I gotta say is rock a roll up pizza. Signing off evermore.
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Jake Brennan
Yo, I hear you, I hear you. But I think the. The Freon or whatever it is they got coursing through the vending machines might be. Might be influencing you is there's no Freon inventing machines. I know that, but I'm trying to make a point that Faith no More's version of War Pigs is not better than Black Sabbath. But that's your opinion, man. That's just like your opinion, man. And you're. You are entitled to that. And I get it. I totally get it. Sometimes your point is completely valid. Sometimes the first version of the song that you hear is the best version of it. Okay? Like little Latin loop de loo, you know, for Barry in High Fidelity, it's the. The Righteous Brothers. Righteous Brothers version. Or is it the Isley Brothers? I can't remember. Whatever it is, it's not Mitch Ryder and the fucking Detroit Wheels, as Dick was well told. Anyhow, on Faith no More and their cover songs, easy like Sunday Morning, fantastic. Like War Pigs, we had this ongoing argument. My best friend, one of my best friends growing up, Dutch and I when we were kids, on how a song should be covered. And he believed that the Faith no More approach was the right approach. Like you tried to treat it like a recreation of the original, which I just believe is completely false. Still to this day in Dutch now I talk into a microphone for a living. So I think I can better make my point. I think the way to do it is to at least the covers that I respond to the most strongly are the ones that are interpretations of the original were where the person covering the song interprets it and brings their own musical point of view and style to what we're hearing. That's, you know, that's what I love. Like it goes back. It's the classic version of like, you know, lots of people in the early days of pop music would record the same songs. Lots of people would record Cole Porter songs, but you'd want the Ella Fitzgerald version of the Cole Porter songbook because you just love the way that she made the songs her own versus, I don't know, another jazz singer. Okay. Even if that jazz singer was good, you might prefer one's interpretation over the other. And they weren't always just sort of recreations. Anyhow, that's my take on it, but what do I know? Appreciate you 920 check out. You've probably heard it, but Charles Bradley's version of Changes Black Sabbath changes. Another great cover and an unlikely one at that. All right, let's do some text. 617-906-6638 Kara in the seven zero three hey Jake, this is Kara Unlikely cover I heard recently is Radiohead Creep covered by Tears for Fears. I need to hear this. Thank you for the nice words about our content too, Kara. Appreciate you. Ali in the five four zero Jake as cliche as it is, other than the Boss, Bruce Springsteen, I have to say Taylor Swift is the most influential musician that I have come across. I discovered her when I was 10 and she had just released the Fearless album and growing up she's been the soundtrack to my life. From narrating breakups I've been through to dealing with a family member with a terminal illness, her range of topics is just aligned so perfectly with my life. She's put things in words so beautifully that I wouldn't even have imagined. I love the show. Keep up the great work. P.S. thanks for the T shirt and the poster. Ali. I hear you and it's interesting to hear the perspective of somebody who got into Taylor swift as a 10 year old and I'm assuming is now an adult, and hearing how her songs have tracked and stayed with you through the sort of narrative of your life. That's pretty fascinating and that's a very powerful skill for a pop artist to have. I wonder how much of it is intentional and how much of it is organic. I would bet that it is a healthy mix of the two with most of it being organic anyways. 540 I'm happy that you have such a close connection to an artist and have for some time. Sounds fantastic. May we all be so lucky. And I think Most of us are now. Is Lisa in the 907 Lucky. Let's see what Lisa's got to say here. Another deep cut on the COVID Subject here. Another deep cut from the late 90s. Check out Edwin McCain's cover of James Taylor's I've Got to Stop Thinking about that. It's on the Misguided Roses album, but I saw him perform it in person and it was fantastic. I'll stop now. Lisa from the 907. Lisa, thank you. You don't have to stop. This is fantastic. I've never heard of this. You know the song, the original by James Taylor, and I don't really know that much. Edmund. Edwin McCain. So I'm. I'm kind of stoked to get into this. Thank you, Lisa. Tanya in the 646 writes in, hey, Jake. My number one not in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, but should be, is Captain Beefheart, AKA Don Van Vleigh. I'm with you on Jeff Buckley, too. And Jeff buckley is only 2 degrees of separation from Beefheart. Guitarist, songwriter Gary Lucas was in at least two iterations of the magic band. That's Beefheart's band. And later on, Jeff Buckley was in Gary Lucas's band Gods and Monsters before going solo. And Gary. Gary Lucas wrote the music for the songs Grace and Mojo Pin on Jeff's debut album and plays on those tracks. Cheers from Tanya W in New York City. Full disclosure, I'm friends with Gary and maintain his website, but I swear this is all true. Tanya, we believe you. We believe you. I feel like Beefheart's gonna get in on one of those. The way they put Graham Parsons in. What do they call that? Historical consideration or whatever the hell it is. And I think Jeff Buckley will get in eventually, by the way. Anyone see that video recently? The first time I've seen it. Juliana Hatfield playing. I think it's at Axis on Newbury street in Boston in the 90s. And it's the end of her set and she's about to go into her encore or something, and Jeff Buckley just comes flying from side stage and stage dives into the drum set, ending her set. It's magnificent. Pretty amazing. Jeff was a wild dude, despite what he sounded like. Tanya, appreciate the text. You know what I'm seeing here, There's a pattern here with the voicemails and texts. I think every voicemail received except one was from dudes, and all the texts are from women. What is up with that? We need more variety. Come on. Switch it up, guys, for next week. Where am I now I lost my space. We want to go to flo in the 31 7. Flo, where you at? Flo says yo, it's flo from the 317. I'm digging the recommendations section. Resuscitation. I pulled the trigger on one of Jake's book recommendations this week as he described the book as hard to find. When I found it, to my surprise, I found it on Amazon for seven bucks. The book in question is you'll never make love in this town again. I'm sitting at an airport bar in Indianapolis digging through this stellar account of some wild and heinous stories of some of rock's most vibrant characters. One foot in the gutter and one foot on solid ground always makes for a fan fucking tastic read. I got one recommendation for the crew at D Rebel, Elvis, Toquel, the Oasis is just an okay band argument. Dig out your soul. If you don't love this record then you never liked rock and roll. But okay. Much love to all you guys. Thanks for all your entertaining storytelling. Much love rocka rolla Flo. And Flo sends in a picture of. Looks like she's working on a pint of something dark. What does that look like? Maybe it's Guinness. Maybe, maybe something a little lighter, maybe Harp. And also looks like you get a little, a little neat pour of bourbon there as a little sidecar. And in the middle she has a copy of what I'm astounded to see is a hard copy version on the bar between her drinks of you'll never make love in this town again that she got for seven bucks on Amazon. I think I paid like $400 for this book or something insane like that. I don't know how you got this, but congrats. Of course I bought mine about five years ago. Sometimes that matters. Maybe a bunch more were released into the wild, I don't know. I bought, I found. Yesterday I found a copy of the Madonna Playboy, which I have long coveted. Not because of any perverted Madonna reasons, but just because my wife and I collect old Playboys. And this is a hard one, not just because of Madonna, but it's also hard because it's one of the last stapled copies, editions, I should say, of Playboy. Now I found it for 40 bucks and typically it's about $300 to find a copy on the Internet. So I don't know what the hell I'm getting into. I don't know what's going to show up in my doorstep and I'm probably going to have to Wear like a hazmat suit to. To open this thing and handle it. But we. We shall see. We shall see. I'm off on a tangent here. Let's check in here with what do we. We just talked to flow in the 31 7. Let's. Let's go to the 304. Okay. Luke, who I presume is a dude from the 304 who wrote 39 4. Luke, your area code is the 304. I know this. How I know it. Well, I can't tell you, but I know it to be a fact. Anyways, Luke writes in hey, Concrete Blondes cover of Leonard Cohen's song Everybody Knows is an interesting version. It's on the excellent soundtrack from Christian Slater's movie Pump up the Volume. Yes. Great cover. Unlikely cover. Great original. Great movie. I can't quibble with any of this, Luke, except for your area code. The 304. Now Jules in the 425. Hey Jake. Jules in the 425. Just listened to your bit on Beastie Boys. Awesome job and a fan since the start. And we just wanted to mention that the Apple TV has a great doc on the Beastie Boys not to be missed by true fans. Keep them coming. You rule. You're absolutely right, Jules. Beastie Boys story on Apple is fantastic. And it honestly, it made the telling of our story really hard because it's tough to. You can't really. Who's going to tell the Beast Boys story better than the Beast Boys? Nobody. Okay. But we did find some choice nugs, as they say in the research, and we were able to put something together that I think is pretty original. Hope you check that Beastie Boys episode out, guys. If you haven't. It's our latest rewind episode. Should be pretty high in your feed. 209 first time texter. Just listened to the hall of Fame discussion. The Black Crows couldn't get in to the hall of Fame either. That's because they were all about excess and debauchery and giving the middle finger to everyone. Did they get in eventually? I think they do get in eventually. Should they get in before the Pixies? That's the question I'm asking myself now, based on the input from all of you guys. And I don't think the Rock and Roll hall of Fame discriminates against excess and debauchery. Maybe they do now. No, no. They just let Oasis in. What are we even talking about? All right, appreciate it though. 209 Text us back. Okay, guys, great feedback this week as always. 617-90-66663 I don't know anything. You want more unlikely covers? Who's going in the Disgraceland Rock and Roll hall of Fame? Who your nominees are? Let me know who else besides the Pixies? Also, I want your theories on how Taylor Hawkins died, or at least on why there's been no official cause of death. 617 9066638voicemail and text Disgracelandpod on Instagram and elsewhere. Disgracelandpodgmail.com on the email. I be back in a flash with more from you guys. With your emails and your direct messages,
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Alright guys, we are back. My man Bill McClinton over on Instagram writes in hey, pardon the interruption and with massive amounts of respect, Misunderstanding was a 1980 Genesis song from their album Duke, not a Phil Collins solo effort. Well, shit, Bill, I stand corrected. I don't know what the fuck I've been thinking or talking about. I listen to that song so much. I search up that song so much on Spotify and I here I here I've been just treating it like a regular old Phil Collins song. Fun fact, my other favorite Phil Collins song is not a Phil Collins song It's a Philip Bailey song. Okay, trivia question. Do you know what I'm talking about? Hit me back. 617906-6638 let me know. Also be like Bill. Let me know what you might want to correct here. Anything we get wrong because sometimes, like everybody else, we fuck up. We're imperfect beings. Just like. Just like everybody is. All right, let's do this. Email justgraceandpodmail.com this one comes from Tara Baker, subject Waylon Jennings. Hey Jake, I'm going to try all caps to make this short. I have listened since pretty much the beginning because I have a raging girl hard on for all music, Hollywood and true crime. So your pods, check all the boxes. However, I did take a break for a while when I fell off all podcasts for a bit. You know, just the natural ebb and flow of life. I did want to let you know that I just listened to the Waylon Jennings episode and this one was near and dear to me because he is family. His dad and my grandfather were brothers and my mom grew up in Littlefield, Texas because most of the population of the town was just the Jennings family. You reminded me of stories that I have heard my entire life and just forgot. Either from Waylon himself or from my mother, my grandfather, aunts, uncles. Because the Jennings family are talkers. Please note the length of this email. Genetics are rough. My mom would tell me about growing up with him, sometimes living at their house and Buddy Holly coming over. They treated her like the little sister and put Buddy's glasses on her to watch her get dizzy and fall. Or the time when they got her to lick the metal microphone they were using to practice. In my life, I've gotten to meet some pretty crazy people and hear some pretty crazy stories because of Waylon. It has been an amazing existence and to hear you tell this story when so many times he gets overlooked for Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson. Understandable, because they too were insane. To hear you tell this story was perfect. Not to mention that you ended it on such a beautiful note with his sobriety, not his death. It brought me to tears. Thank you. I will forever be a listener and now a Patreon supporter because you are one of the few that I can confirm does the research and tells the facts in all of your pods. Please keep it going. And again, thank you, Rocka Rolla. Tara. Tara. Huge. I don't know what to say. I mean, I responded to you personally, but I'll say it again here. Thank you so much. It's an incredible Note and very generous of you to say you didn't have to go out of your way to make us feel validated here. I'm just. I'm happy that we did the Waylon Jennings story justice, that we did the Jennings family justice and all. Props to Seth Lundy, who researched and wrote that episode that we produced for you. Happy you dug it. All right, let's play. New song, Old song. Real quick. New song. White Denim now listen, not a new band per se, but a new song by them. Ruby, I love this song. It is fucking great. If you dig that Rod Stewart faces vibe, you need something to get you stoked about the sun and the burgers on the grill in the backyard, then this is your jam. Okay? Ruby by White Denim Now, Old song. I'm looking up at my wall in the studio here and I've got a Rick Dalton poster. Rick Dalton character from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. And Once Upon a Time in Hollywood has reminded me of Paul Revere in the the Raiders. Mark Lindsay, they take a lot of shit in that movie, okay? But Tarantino is celebrating them. Now listen, I'm not going to recommend Paul Revere and the Raiders because you can just go to the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood soundtrack and you can find a couple great Paul Revere and the Raiders songs. But Paul Revere and the Raiders remind me of another. Another band that I do want to recommend. They remind me of a band from Boston from back in the 60s called the Remains, or as I refer to them, Barry and the Remains. Now listen, I want you to go to their 1966 self titled debut album. And it's all great, but the first song you want to play is Don't Look Back. This song is tremendous. There's a reason that Boston's the Remains were the only band open for the Beatles on their tour here in America because they were great. Okay? Now we talked a lot about Boston bands that deserve to be in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame in this episode. Pixies, Jake Isles band the Remains deserve to be in the hall of Fame as well. Graham Parsons just went in and Barry Tashian, the singer and frontman for the Remains. After the Remains broke up in the 60s, Barry went on to work with Graham Parson and was instrumental in working out the harmonies on Graham's excellent album GP with Emmylou Harris. Graham, excuse me. Barry is. As far as I know, he's still around and he's a great guy. I've had the privilege of meeting him a couple times. He signed my book that he wrote on his time about his time on tour with the Beatles. But none of that is why I'm recommending this song. Don't Look Back is incredible. And this whole album, the self titled Remains album is great. So check that out. All right, so that there recommendations, that's just a taste. You want more? We got more recommendations in the Hollywoodland feed with Szeth and I in the wrap party this week. We're talking about great songs with the names of actors or actresses in the song title. Sean, why don't you grab a little clip of that conversation and give the people here a taste of what we got going on over in Hollywoodland. Okay, I'm going to start with an obscure one because it's super personal to me. And it's Grace Kelly with Wings by Piebald, which is a great Austin, great pick. People call them an emo band, they're a rock band, but they're part of the whole emo scene and part of the. That I came up in. And the song is about. I believe I could be wrong. It's about a girl named Valerie who we all knew and hung out with. And Travis from Piebald was romantically involved with her. And this is the song that's about her. But it's just a great song. It is so, so, so great. And it's just about being arrested by the beauty and grace of, you know, you just see those women in your life where you're just like, oh my God, like, come on, man, stop. Yeah, and it's. I think it's their best song and they have a lot of great songs and they're still playing. Piebald is still playing. They've been around forever. So Grace Kelly with Wings. It's on the excellently named album. If it weren't for the venetian blinds, it would be curtains for us all. Would you? If anybody wants a taste of what like mid to late 90s Boston upstairs at the Middle east released was like, yeah, that record will give it to you. It's great. Yeah. So Grace Kelly with Wings, that's my first one. All right, guys, that is Hollywoodland. Make sure you are subscribed to the Hollywoodland podcast on Apple podcasts or the iHeartRadio app. You're gonna get three episodes a week. You're gonna get a classic Hollywood story of true crime and excess. And you're also gonna get mine and Zest's Hollywood based music recommendations in the wrap party along with Zest's excellent take on all things Tinseltown. And true crime. And there is a third piece of content in the Hollywoodland feed as well, the screening room. And this week, Szeth is preparing us all for Drew Barrymore week that's coming up next week. And I bit my tongue on my Drew Barrymore stories. Those are for me and my priest. Okay? I was going to talk about them in the exclusive section of this after party with Seth, but I held back. And you know, maybe when, maybe there'll be a Disgraceland event someday and maybe you'll get a couple cocktails in me and I'll talk out of school. But that's just, you know, like I said, I'm not going there. I'm not going there. But Zeth is going there with Drew in different ways this week coming up in Hollywoodland. Make sure you're subscribed. All right? Zeth and I are also talking about Quincy Jones and his batshit crazy claims that he made before he died. We're doing that right now in the exclusive section of this here after party. You want to hear it? Go to Disgracelandpod.com to become an all access member of Disgraceland. Unlock exclusive content like this conversation coming up. Plus ad free listening plus by becoming an all access member on Patreon, you're going to get access to our video podcast. This film should be played loud this month. We taped it last night. It's our conversation on high fidelity. And all the great music in that film. Just unbelievably cool. What an A plus movie, by the way. Just A plus. I put it up there with the best of the best. And it's not just because of the music. That story does not stop. It is non stop. You're just. You're just locked in. There's constantly something happening that is compelling you to want to know what happens next. And that's just. I mean, it sounds basic, but that's the definition of great storytelling. Anyways, this film should be played loud. Good to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up so you can cop that. Just like you can get access to this coming conversation right here in the exclusive section of the afterparty. All right, we'll be back right after this. All right, guys, we are back. Let's recap, shall we? My goodness. We talked about a lot different artists in this episode. I didn't even mention that it's Iggy Pop's birthday today when I'm recording this. A happy birthday, Iggy Pop, Iggy Pop episode. Great episode. From the archive. You want to check that out? That's in there. Talked about Nikki Six. We have a Nikki Sixx episode. We also got a Motley Crue episode. Two episodes. I guess you could put it that way on Motley Crue. Those are in the archive as well. Fiona Apple. I mentioned her, but we don't have an episode on her yet. I'm going to start researching that next week. Billy Corgan. Should I do a Billy Corgan episode? A Smashing Pumpkins episode. Something about the shapeshifter. A lot of drugs there with Jimmy Chamberlain and all that. I'm sure I can find a way into the Smashing Pumpkins story. Mentioned Blondie. Black Sabbath. Got an episode on Blondie. Get an episode on Black Sabbath. You know all this. Anyways, the archive, that's where it's at. I got to get out of here. So let's recap. Number one, this week, Depeche Mode, available in your feed right now. Number two, Selena. Coming up in the rewind slot this weekend on Sunday. Number three, next week's episode, our brand new episode on the Foo Fighters is going to have you asking the question, how did Taylor Hawkins die? And hopefully we're getting some answers. Number four, Zeth is going to give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland podcast. So make sure you are subscribed. You're also going to get my music recommendations over there in the Hollywoodland. Rap party. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our video podcast with our new episode on High Fidelity is coming next week. Disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an All Access member. Number 661-709-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting, keep your answers coming to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you want to talk about. I'm here. All right? Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a community. A community of the obsessed. No one cares about music. No one cares about books. No one cares about records and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do. And, well, that's a disgrace. All right. Sometime in May of 1996, Dave Gahana Depeche Mode overdosed on a speedball at the Sunset Marquee Hotel in Hollywood. And here's what America was was listening to on that day. According to the billboard charts, number one, the Crossroads, Bone Thugs and Harmony. Last week, 1. Peak position one weeks on chart three. Number two, always be my baby, Mariah Carey. Last week two Peak position one weeks on chart eight number three because you love me from up close and personal Serene dion last week 3 peak position 1 weeks on chart 12 number 4 nobody knows the Tony rich project last week 5 peak position 2 weeks on chart 24 number 5 ironic last week 4 peak position 4 weeks on chart 11 number 6 give me one reason Tracy Chapman last week peak position 6 weeks on chart 8 number 7 you're the one SW film last week 6 position 6 quit talking and start mixing. Could it this is Sophia Donner from OK Storytime this summer. Find your next obsession on Prime Video. And listen. We're not saying you need another obsession, but there could be a lot worse ones. Steamy romance, addictive love stories, and the book to screen favorites you've already read twice. So why not watch them a third time off campus? 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