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Hey Discos, need a little more Disgrace Land in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the After Party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard. To dig into the dirt on this episode, we are talking about this week's subject of the Disgraceland full episode, the National Football League and its criminal origins. The Rolling Stones, Tumbling Dice, Motown, Motorhead, the Libertines. And of course, we are diving into your voicemails, texts and more. And as always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, discos, let's get into it. I'm all sixes and sevens and nines. I always love that line from the Rolling Stone song Tumbling Dice. I never quite knew what it meant for sure. I always interpreted it to mean that the protagonist in the song was frustrated. Frustrated with his dice game, with the roll of the dice, whatever. Frustrated with his woman, whatever. It was. Just he was frustrated. He was up against it, perhaps up against it with whomever he was wagering with. Gambling is, of course, at the core of this week's full episode on the NFL and the league's gambling origins. And there are quite a few characters from this episode that we just released that wind up rolling sixes and sevens and nines figuratively. They end up against it and they end up murdered because of the risk that they took. Now I've never been much of a risk taker when it comes to betting. I've never been much of a gambler, not by my family's standards anyway. I come from gamblers. Football, college football, college basketball, cards, the lottery, the daily number, scratch tickets, hell even bingo. My family gambles a lot and they always have. I'm the black sheep in this regard and almost all other regards as well, but that's a separate issue. I do bet, but just not as much as they do or with as much intensity or interest or risk. I bet football every week during the season, usually just the pick six football cards. Of course, it's more fun that way. Not sure about the statute of limitations, but even with the advent of legal sports betting apps, my brother in law and I found someone to take our action on a couple recent Super Bowls. But that's just between you and I. Even with the betting that I do that I just laid out for you, it's nothing compared to how my family bets. Like I said, my relationship with gambling is not what my family's relationship with gambling is. Not that their relationship with it is wrong in any way. It's clearly not mine. It's just different now going back some years. My stepfather, my grandfather, not my stepfather's father, but my father's stepfather, if that makes sense. Growing up, they were both in addition to gamblers, they were both pretty serious alcoholics. They both drank a lot. My stepfather has been sober for 30 something years now. My grandfather has passed. But the point is, they were always drinking. I swear I didn't know driving with an open bottle of Budweiser was illegal until I turned about 12 years old because I'd just seen it done so many damn times before. These guys drank a shit ton. And sometimes together, even though, like I said, it was my stepfather drinking with my grandfather who was my father's stepfather. Make sense Yet I feel like the more I say it, the more it'll make sense to you. Their drinking was of course a problem for my mother and for my grandmother who understandably had to put up with other bullshit. Again, they drank all the fucking time. But the only time they didn't drink was when they played cards. These epic games, high rolling games I presume. Thus the sobriety games where they and a handful of other degenerate gamblers would lock themselves away in A motel or in someone's apartment or garage or God knows where for about two or three days and night and gamble and again not drink. Which was just astounding to me. How the hell can you be such a pain in the ass drunk and piss off my mom and grandmother so much with your drinking? Refusing to stop, by the way. And then the only time you do stop is when you want to gamble. Even at a young age, this seemed like a wild misplacement of priorities. Now I hold no ill will. I love my grandfather and I love my stepfather. He doesn't drink anymore, but he still gambles. And I'm telling you this story not to bitch and moan, but to illustrate how gambling is woven into my family dynamic. Gambling on football, specifically my entire family, is part of a season long pool where the wins calculated from our football cards that we bet each each week result in a pretty big, big payout to one of us at the end of the year. My aunt Poppy, I'm pretty sure, puts more time into studying point spreads during the football season than I do researching Disgraceland topics. And I'm not even joking. In 2020, when the Kansas City Chiefs beat the San Francisco 49ers in the Super Bowl, I not only won the year end football card pool that I was just talking about, I won the super bowl pool as well. I also won my bet on the game itself. Pretty sure I took the Niners with the points and the Chiefs didn't cover. And also I won our fantasy football league that that year that my family participates in. And man, did I feel like an asshole in taking all that money from my family members. It was quite a haul when all was said and done and I ended up donating it to charity just to feel like less of an asshole. I don't have the gambler's gene, or maybe I do and I just suppress it. I think that because of my family, I'm subconsciously afraid that I'm going to like gambling too much and gamble my mortgage payments away. At an early age, I saw gambling take hold of people. By the time I was 10 or 11, I was calling in bets for my stepfather to bookies. Why? I can only assume because my stepfather owed money and was afraid if he called he wouldn't get his bet in. I can't confirm that that was the case, but that's just my suspicion. I should probably ask him. I think he's gonna listen to this episode. Maybe he'll tell me. Gambling is of course all about risk. And as fun as it is for me and my family, it's not really about the risk. For me, it's about socializing. It's about having something to connect us beyond just the games on Sunday. And Lord help the New England Patriots this year. With this team, we are going to need betting more than ever to keep things interesting. But back to the risk. In most other aspects in life, I value risk. I am attracted to risk as someone who his own business. There's a certain level of risk involved. And as scary as things sometimes become, this kind of risk thrills me as a writer, as an artist. There is also a certain amount of risk that one must take. If you're gonna be any good anyway, if you're gonna have a voice, and if you strive for an original point of view, if you wanna leave something behind that outlives you, the only way to do that is to take chances creatively to try to create something net new, to try and express a novel idea. There's a risk in that if you fail, you can sometimes look like an asshole. Or worse, you can look derivative. Taking a chance on making something new is difficult. It's easy to do something that's been done before. Okay, you know what's hard? Writing Tumbling Dice, coming up with a lyric like I'm all sixes and sevens and nines like Mick Jagger did. A lyric that at face value, makes little sense at all. But a lyric that Mick Jagger knew would make sense to the record buying public, perhaps because it made sense to his heroine, zonked out guitar player Keith Richards. This gave Mick the confidence he needed to take the creative risk. Who knows? Whatever the case, it was one of many risks Mick and Keith took on that album. Tumbling Dice might be the greatest song on what might be the greatest rock and roll record ever. The Rolling Stones. Exile on Main Street, A record that was made on the run from tax authorities. The Stones, the biggest rock band on the planet at the time, exiled in a foreign country, making a record while trying to avoid arrest, risking it. That kind of risk I can relate to for some reason. Maybe it's ego, maybe it's pride, I don't know. But taking my hard earned money, not as my family has done, but as the larger than life characters from this week's episode on the NFL's mafia influence passed like they did, and wagering it illegally on games that they were also illegally trying to influence that level of risk, that level of corruption, solely for monetary gain. That does not appeal to me, but it makes for a great story and I hope you check it out if you haven't already. That's all relative to the most recent episode that we just did, the one I mentioned that I've been talking about the NFL's corrupt origins. Okay? It's just behind this episode in the feed. Next week's episode is on an entirely different subject on River Phoenix. I believe we refer to him in the episode as a once in a lifetime talent, or once in a generation talent, I should say. And I believe that it's hard for me to think of another actor from the 90s, another young actor who was as talented as River Phoenix. Maybe, maybe Leo, maybe Johnny Depp, but I don't know. River Phoenix was special and it's fun to think about what roles he might have taken on as he grew into manhood. And I bet if river lived, Leonardo DiCaprio's career would probably look a lot different right now. But, but, but this is all for next week. So just when you're listening to the River Phoenix episode, be thinking this question. Who is the greatest actor of the 1990s? Sub question. What Leonardo DiCaprio roles do you think would have went to River Phoenix had he lived? Call me and let me know. 617-906-6638 Leave me a voicemail, send me a text. You can also reach me disgracelandpod as well on Instagram X and Facebook. Hit me with some answers. Guys, I'm gonna take a quick break and I'll be back on the other side with your answers to last week's Question of the week.
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All right guys, we are back with your phone calls and your texts on this week's question of the week on the most despicable athlete you can come up with. Of course, we bring this up in reference to this week's episode on the NFL and all the all the transgressions and all the nasty little bits and all the dirty little secrets and all the unexplained deaths and the murders and all the stuff that went down in this episode we wanted to hear. I asked you guys, from your estimation, who are the most disgraceful athletes in the history of sports? Let's check in with Kathy in the 971.
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Hi, Jake, this is Kathy from Portland, Oregon. And I have to say, the all time worst, most despicable athlete, not just NFL, but all time worst, has to be the Atlanta Falcons Michael vick from his 2007 dogfighting case, Hands down the absolute worst. So just my opinion, looking forward to the episode and I'll talk to you later. Bye.
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Kathy, love the voicemail. Thanks for getting in touch. Yes, I hear you on Michael Vick for sure. You know, for me, you know, we do mention Michael Vick in the past episode on the NFL, but for me, and that's horrible. You know, I'm very familiar with the Michael Vick case. I don't even like thinking about it. It's so bad. There's something about the torture of animals that I just no one wants to put their head into. But for me, if I'm having to pull one sports star from the history of sports, to me, and perhaps it's because of where I'm from, for me it's Aaron Hernandez. There was something just so chilling about that story when it was happening, when it was unfolding in real time, when we were getting all of those details. And at first it was the murder of Odin Lloyd. And then we learned there were more murders and the cold blooded nature of this guy, the way that he seemed to just unravel into complete psychopathy. Is that a word, psychopathy? It sounded smart coming out of my mouth. We're just going to go with it. Really freaked me the fuck out. I got to say, it really freaked me out. And to me there's something just like I said, is just chilling about that story. You know, we could say O.J. simpson as well, but I'm putting O.J. aside. It's just almost too big of a story. It's too big to even be a sports story. It's a cultural phenomenon. That O.J. simpson story on the same subject. The 469 texts in. Hey Jake, if you want something different for your disgraced sports figure, check out this dude, Robert Rozier. Rozier. I don't know how to pronounce that. Rozier, I know this story. It's wild. We're going to bring it to you in Disgraceland. So I'm not going to burn it here, but466, I like the way you're thinking. All right, let's check out this voicemail from Tony in the 206.
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Jake, what's going on? It's Tony from the 206. Let me tell you something, brother. I damn near spit my. Actually didn't damn near. I spit my drink out. Laughing so hard listening to Lana Del Rey episode when you abruptly stopped, the episode was like, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I've never laughed so hard in my life. I'm still, I'm still laughing now. Anyway, hey, question. Do you have a Go to Lana Del song that just puts you in a mood? Like a. For me, it's Summertime Sadness. I like to listen to that song around fall time. Like the minute I see an overcast day in September, October, and I see leaves turn on the ground, I throw that song on and I will sit on my couch with a cup of hot cocoa or a cup of coffee or tea and just play it. And then the other song of hers that I really love is Venice. That's the song I put in my noise cancellation headphones. I lay on my couch and I just like let the song just take me to another place. So do you have a song by Lana Del Rey that's like that or do you have a song that you know that just, you know, you have to put on because it puts you in the right mood for the season? Let me know. Thanks, Tony.
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Happy to hear you approved of how I treated the Catherine the great Sex with the horse bit, that old chestnut. Lana Del Rey Go To Song for Me is definitely West Coast. It's the first song that brought me into the Lana Del Rey world, and it is still the sort of Go to from her catalog that I go back to. It's got a vibe, just feels right. But if I'm picking sort of any song that I want to vibe out to, that I want to put my noise canceling headphones on to just kind of like kick back and chill out to, it is Keith Jarrett, and the song is the Rich and the Poor. Keith Jarrett is an improvisational jazz artist that might turn you off, but I'm telling you, this song, end of a Hard Day, you got a glass of something wet and brown with a nice cube in it and you just want to sit back and chill and feel like, I don't know, you're in a 70s cop show or something. Keith Jarrett, the Rich and the Poor. Check that out. All right, the714 Terry writes in hey Jake Terry from the 714 I love Three Heart Emojis, your podcast. Curious about the after party? There's a voice that sounds familiar. When I hear it, I am certain that it's him. The first voice says, quit talking and start mixing. And then the next voice says, got it? Whose voice is that? Am I correct in thinking this is Tom Petty? Huh? It's not. It's not Tom Petty. Terry, I'm answering you and I'm reading your text because you seem very interested in this subject. You sent me two texts on this subject. I wish it was Tom Petty. You know, it might be Tom Petty. I don't know. I can't say for certain that it's not, but I'm probably pretty, pretty sure that it's not Tom Petty. Anyhow. There you go. 401 writes in. Loved the Replacements episode. Such a great band. Was lucky enough to see them in 86 in Providence at the Living Room. They were a mess in the most rock and roll way. Saw them again in 2015 at Boston calling when Dave Minihan from the Neighborhoods was playing with them. Speaking of Dave, one of the greatest shows I ever attended was the Neighborhoods and the Figs at the met. Blown away. Two great bands on the same bill. Top 10 show of all time. Love Disgraceland. Keep em coming. Man. That text got me excited. Okay, lots to unpack here. First of all, stoked 401 that you dug the Replacements episode. For those of you who are like, wait, what Replacements episode? Well, the Replacements episode is an All Access episode. We do one full episode per month for our All Access crew. It's five bucks a month. You also get ad free listening and you also get a little more after party as well. Okay, so check that out. You can go to Disgracelandpod.com membership back to the text here. Love the Replacements episode. Such a great band. Was lucky enough to see them in 86 in Providence. That sounds like peak era to see the Replacements. My friend, you are a lucky muckity muck. They were a mess in the most rock and roll way. I love that. I know exactly what you mean by this sentence. You then go on to say that you saw them in 2015 at Boston calling with Dave Minihan. Dave Minihan, of course, from the legendary Boston band the Neighborhoods. I've seen Dave played before. He is a juggernaut. He has just incredible stage presence. He is perfectly matched to play with the Replacements. Fantastic, fantastic guy to watch play guitar on stage. He's a great producer as well. Speaking of Dave, one of the greatest shows I ever attended was the Neighborhoods in the Figs. You guys know how I feel about the Figs. One of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time. There, I said it. Great text. Keep them coming. Stoked you dug it 401. Appreciate the text. Let's go to the nine seven one who writes hi. Been listening for a few years, but this week's question actually got me to interact. As a female punk performer, you'd best believe I have strong opinions on how women are viewed and treated by the media. Punks hold likely murderer Sid Vicious up like he's a God while taking every opportunity to knock down Courtney Love, who I'm pretty sure had not shit to do with Kurt's death. Okay, I'm going to stop reading the text right here. Just respond to that bit. Great point. Fantastic point. Sid had a lot of problems and to lionize a guy like that is, you know, is pretty hypocritical when you put it up against the Courtney Love, Kurt Cobain dilemma. Kurt Cobain. I pronounce it Cobain. People give me a lot of shit. I don't care. That's how I've always done it. I'm not changing. When I released the episodes that we produced on Courtney Love and Kurt, I got a lot of shit. And I mean a lot more than usual. I get a healthy amount of shit, but I got a lot of shit from people for not condemning Courtney as the murderer in my episodes. I went so far as to, in a way I defended Courtney Love. I mean, I held her accountable for a lot of her bullshit, but I thought it was an honest depiction and people didn't want to hear anything that wasn't a complete and total tear down. And I think it's just peak conspiracy. If I thought otherwise, gu, I would say so. Okay, I have no dog in this hunt. In fact, it would be a better story. It would be better for me personally as a creator to come out on the side of, yeah, Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain. But I don't think that. See, I did it. I said Cobain. It's Cobain. Okay, so then your text goes on to say, yeah, junkie's murdering the cash cow and hiring one of the punk's most notorious liars to do it. It's the same treatment given to Yoko Oto. This one is a little more. The Yoko question is a little bit harder to get at because,
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It is. And I got into it a little bit in that episode that you're. That I was just referencing the bit about her dad and the Grateful Dead. And I think there's. Yeah, Osley the Bear, the whole thing. L7 would be fun. Kathleen Hannah would be another good person to do an episode on. And. Oh, Mia Zapata of the Gets. I was literally just thinking about this last night doing. Finally doing an episode on the Gets. She was murdered and went unsolved for almost 20 years. I think it was. She's a huge inspiration to many female punk fans. Thanks Kendra of Contagious. Guys, we're going to Spotify after this and we are typing in Contagious and we're going to check out Kendra's band. Okay, great text, Kendra. Appreciate it. Lots to ponder there. I feel like I answered a bunch of it while I was reading. If I forgot anything, hit me back. 617-906-6638. You can also call me, leave me a voicemail. Same number 617-906-6638 and you can hit me up on Instagram X and Facebook Disgraceland Pod. You can also hit me up on Spotify. Just go to the Spotify Disgraceland page and you can comment on any of the episodes there. That's it. Just go to Disgraceland on Spotify. Got this message from a very confused user dquinlan777 commenting on the Garth Brooks episode we did saying trying to rip off YMH is crazy. He's talking about Quinlan here. I assume as a guy is talking about your mom's house and Tom Segura. It's a podcast hosted by Tom and his wife Christina. And this is in reference to the episode like I just mentioned that we did on Garth Brooks. We were not ripping off your mom's house in any way. Dquinlan777 I doubt very much that you even listened to the episode that you're commenting on. In fact, we mentioned Tom in the episode numerous times. We actually went out of our way to let Tom know that we were doing this episode before we even released it. When it came out, Tom shared the reel that we did promoting the episode on instagram. So. So dquindlen 777 I tell you this not to call you out. I tell it to you to just, you know, correct the record here and to point you in the right direction. I encourage that you actually listen to the podcast and if you still think that we're ripping it off, then you can send the drugs that you're taking to Disgrace Land. No, I'm just kidding. D. Quinlan. I hope we end up on the same page here. So yeah, you guys can comment on Spotify. Guys, most of you aren't listening on Spotify. I look at the numbers. Most of you are listening on Apple Podcasts, most of you are listening on the iHeartRadio app, and a small portion of you are listening on Spotify. I don't understand why there's not more of you listening on Spotify. But you know, get over there and listen on Spotify if you're there. If you're there, cruising around already, you know, not trying to get you to bail on any other apps. Speaking of apps, over on Facebook, Shay Holst writes to us. Hey Lana Die Hard here. I'll share this with my sad core girlies. This is Shay writing in about the Lana Del Rey episode, who then wrote back very quickly about a couple hours later. Hey, Bravo, Jake and team. I actually got goosebumps when the theme song started. I take that as something pretty magical. Love that we're bringing in some Lana Del Rey fans here with our new Lana Del Rey episode from last week. Jeffrey L. Slater on Facebook writes in hey, we need an episode on Johnny Ace. His life has all the requirements like a rough childhood, abandoning his wife and children. And child, a tragic death. I wrote back, he was shot, right? Or was it Russian roulette? Jeffrey corrected me, said hey. He said it wasn't loaded and stuck it to his head and pulled the trigger. Ouch. Johnny Ace might make for a good disgrace an episode at some time. And I will be back in a flash with some of your emails on the other side. All right, guys, I am back. Disgracelandpodmail.com Alex Stone writes in hey, I've been listening to your podcast for several years, but your Motown episode was one of the best ever. Well, thanks, Alex. I appreciate that. Guys, Alex is referencing one of the many, many, many episodes that we have in our archive. Okay, we have lots, almost 200 episodes at this point, and it's a little daunting for new listeners. So we do this thing each week where we surface one of the archive episodes up into the top of the feed. And I believe we did this with the Motown episode a couple months back. And that's what Alex is referencing. Guys, I want you guys to feel free to dive into that archive if you're new, okay? We have so much content. If you're new and you haven't heard these episodes, they are there. They are waiting for you. Magnus Tempte writes in Hi. First of all, thanks for creating a great podcast. I might have overlooked something and if so, my bad. But how come there is no episode on Motorhead and or Lemmy? I imagine there's enough material out there. Any chance you're working on this episode? Best regards, Magnus. Magnus. First of all, great name, Magnus. Just. I love that name. Second of all, we have a Motor to Head episode. It came out a couple. A couple months ago maybe? Yeah, about two months ago. It's part of the All Access Club. It's an exclusive episode. You can hear that by becoming an All Access member. You do that, you're also going to get, like I said before, ad free listening. And you're going to also get access to me on a daily basis. In the chat with all the Disgraceland listeners, chopping it up, talking about stuff, we do a book club. It's fun, it's a good time, but you get that one extra episode every month. And Motorhead was one of those episodes. And that's the only place you can get in the All Access members club. One of the things I get asked about by you guys, especially the new listeners, is how you can support the show. And I appreciate that so much. Listen, the best way you can support the show, in addition to becoming an All Access member, is to review the show on Apple Podcasts and. Or Spotify. And, you know, we had this idea, if we're trying to drive people to the archive, you know, new listeners, if we want to get them interested, we want to get them as engaged as the fellow discos out there. Listen, if you're gonna leave a review for the show, how about in the review you rattle off one or two of your favorite episodes in the actual review just to sort of like, you know, pique the interest of potential new listeners out there? I don't know. That might be a cool thing. You can do that, guys. You leave a review. Also, we award some merchandise. We pick some reviewers at random every week. And I read the reviews here, I read their names, and then you guys get in touch with me and I send you whatever we got lying around for merch. T shirts, pins, stickers, whatever it is. So gonna do that right now, actually. You're gonna read some reviews from last week, and I'm going to read. I'm telling you, I read these reviews last night on Apple Podcasts in particular, and I was just kind of. I kind of got emotional, I'm not gonna lie. So I'm gonna read them all. They're very short. And then I'm gonna reward all of you guys who left these reviews with some free merch. Like I said, you gotta get in touch, though. Okay, hit me up, however, on the socials or emails. Good. Disgracelandpodgmail.com all right, this review just says all the feels. This is from Dakrack333. Dakrack333. If you hear this, get in touch. All the feels. I've never listened to a podcast that has made me feel so much. The storytelling is perfect content, Timing, execution, perfection. Next Review Smart Dog Doug writes It's about the education. Most of us all live in an echo chamber of the things that we like and only those things. I like metal and grunge and country and rap. They don't interest me. But Disgraceland presents stories about artists and celebrities that are so engaging that I have to listen to them all. And in doing so, I have learned to appreciate the trials and tribulations of artists I have dismissed as unimportant to me. Give it a listen and you too may just get educated and enlightened and forced to broaden your view of the world. Keep up the incredible work that is from Smart Dog Doug. Get in touch Smart Dog Doug and get some free merch. Kat Shine K A Kachain K A C H A I N E Right Saying Hey, I never tire of listening to Jake tell all these stories. He knows how to tell them and brings us in closer because we can't get enough. His team is amazing. The work they do is untouchable. He's the cool friend we talk to and we're the discos he loves to talk about. I tell everyone about this podcast and group as my friends because they are rocka rolla. Hey, that's fucking great. I really appreciate that. Thanks for your reviews guys. They really help with the show and I'm gonna help you guys out by getting you some merch. You just gotta get in touch and let me know. And I believe there's still one of you outstanding from last week that I have not gotten back to, but I will shortly and I will get you those items out in the mail. Now this episode is nearing its end, but the after party continues for all of our All Access members. Like I said, sign up today to hear the extended version of this after party to get that extra epis. Like that Motorhead episode. Get that extra episode every month and also ad free listening disgracelandpod.com membership become an all Access Member today.
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All right, I am back. And before we wrap it up though, I gotta ask, did you guys get Oasis tickets? I did not. I talked a big game on Instagram, but in the end I didn't do it. You know, speaking of risk, right. I decided not to risk the bread on not just the tickets, but the international travel for me and my family because there was no way I was going to see Oasis without my wife. And there was no way that my wife and I were going to see Oasis without my sons. They would have freaked out. So given the high rate of volatility around the Gallagher brothers relationship, it didn't seem like a safe bet. But it does seem like there's definitely maybe gonna be us dates. See what I did there? And I figured that if they make it through the UK dates, there's a safe bet that they're gonna actually make to the States. And that's a risk that I'm more comfortable with taking cause I don't have to pay for the international travel. So that's where I'm at. But I'm curious if you guys got your Oasis tickets and if so, which shows you're going to. All right, I'm about to get out of here. Before I do be a rewind episode popping up in the archive for you guys, speaking of archives, we mentioned the Rolling Stones again this week, just like we did last week. But this week we talked about Exile on Main street. And we have an entire episode on Exile, entire episode on the Stones, out on the run, camped out on the French Riviera, making probably the greatest rock and roll record of all time. That's episode 36, released on July 23, 2019, in the archive. Go check that out. I remember that episode fond. I remember that episode. I remember the production in the mix of that episode. And I remember feeling like, wow, okay, we're onto something here that I'd never planned for us to be on. And it felt really good. And it was just sort of the heady kind of early days, the early creative days of Disgraceland. We were only about a year into it at that point, so I love that episode. I hope you guys do as well. If you're hearing it for the first time, if you're a new listener, you're hearing it for the first time, write to me and let me know what you think about it. And if you're, you know, OG disco and you're listening to it for a second time, you want to compare it to some of the new episodes, I'd love to hear your feedback on that as well. Okay. We also talked about the Motown episode here in this after party. That Motown episode is episode number 40 was released originally on October 8, 2019. We, of course, had that great text on Courtney love. We have two episodes on Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love, episode one, entitled no Direction Home, that was released on March 14, 2019. That's episode 25. And episode two, entitled Suicide Samurai. That's episode 26, released on March 19, 2019. A week later, over on Instagram this week, Chuck D, the mighty Chuck D of Public Enemy himself, shared the artwork that Avi Spivak created for our Public Enemy episode. Our Public Enemy episode is number 171, released April 23, 2024. Also on Instagram. Apollonia. Apollonia herself. You know Apollonia. She liked our Prince reel where we detailed the shredding solo the prince laid down in front of Tom Petty in honor of George Harrison, which that is detailed in a scene in our Prince episode, episode number 59, released on June 9th in the year of our dearly beloved 2020. Guys, the archive. Are you a new listener? Get in there. All right, that brings us nearly to an end. So let's recap, shall we? Number one right now on your feed, a brand new episode on the gangster origins of the NF Bell. Number two Coming tomorrow, a special rewind episode from our archive and we are talking about River Phoenix in next week's episode. So I want to know from you guys who is the greatest actor of that glorious decade, the 1990s, and why? Number four merch winners. Get in touch. You know who you are. Number five. Remember, no one cares about great storytelling more than you do. And, well, that's a disgrace. All right, in honor of the subject of our most recent episode on the NFL, me reading to you the Billboard charts from the day Joe Namath retired for the final time on December 18, 1977. Number one, you light up my life Debbie Boone Last week one Peak position one Weeks on chart 16 Number two How deep is your love? Bee Gees. Last week three Peak position two Weeks on chart 13. Number three Blue Bayou Linda Rodstadt. Last week four Peak position three Weeks on chart 15 Number four Don't it make my brown eyes blue Crystal gale Last week two peak position two weeks on chart 19. Number five it's so easy. Last week five peak positions on five weeks on chart 11 Number six. Quit talking and start mixing.
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Air Date: September 5, 2024
Host: Jake Brennan
This interactive bonus episode—coined the "After Party"—bridges Disgraceland’s full-length stories, offering a dynamic blend of behind-the-scenes commentary, listener feedback, music fandom nostalgia, and broader reflections on fame, risk, and storytelling. This week, host Jake Brennan riffs on the criminal and gambling-soaked origins of the NFL as featured in the latest full episode, shares personal anecdotes about his family’s deep ties to betting, explores the role of risk in music and life, and responds to a lively collection of listener questions and comments ranging from disgraced athletes to gender in punk, Lana Del Rey, and more.
NFL & Gambling Origins Recap
Brennan reflects on the full-length Disgraceland episode about "the National Football League and its criminal origins," bringing gambling—and the existential stakes that follow—into sharper focus.
"Gambling is, of course, at the core of this week's full episode on the NFL and the league's gambling origins. And there are quite a few characters... that wind up rolling sixes and sevens and nines figuratively. They end up against it and they end up murdered because of the risk that they took." (04:04)
Rolling Stones Lyric Inspiration
Brennan notes the title—"sixes and sevens and nines"—is a nod to Rolling Stones’ “Tumbling Dice,” interpreting the phrase as an expression of frustration and risk.
Personal Gambling History
Detailing a family culture deeply entwined with betting:
"...By the time I was 10 or 11, I was calling in bets for my stepfather to bookies. Why? I can only assume because my stepfather owed money and was afraid if he called he wouldn't get his bet in." (10:15)
Sobriety vs. Gambling Paradox
Brennan recalls how his stepfather and grandfather (both heavy drinkers) would abstain from alcohol only during marathon card sessions—highlighting priorities and family dynamics:
"The only time they didn't drink was when they played cards…just astounding to me. How the hell can you be such a pain in the ass drunk…and then the only time you do stop is when you want to gamble?" (07:56)
Creative Risk-Taking
The episode draws parallels between the stakes in gambling and those in creative expression:
"If you're gonna be any good anyway… the only way to do that is to take chances creatively…there's a risk in that if you fail, you can sometimes look like an asshole." (12:01) "Writing 'Tumbling Dice,' coming up with a lyric like 'I'm all sixes and sevens and nines' like Mick Jagger did... [is] hard." (12:29)
Rolling Stones on the Run
Ties the risk motif to the Stones' making of Exile on Main Street while evading tax authorities, celebrating artistic daring:
"Tumbling Dice might be the greatest song on what might be the greatest rock and roll record ever." (12:45)
Brennan previews the upcoming River Phoenix episode, encouraging debate on the “greatest actor of the 1990s” and speculating which DiCaprio roles might have gone to Phoenix:
"If River lived, Leonardo DiCaprio’s career would probably look a lot different right now." (13:37)
Listener prompt:
"Call me and let me know…Who is the greatest actor of the 1990s? Subquestion: What Leonardo DiCaprio roles do you think would have went to River Phoenix had he lived?" (13:55)
Kathy (971 area): Nominates Michael Vick, referencing his 2007 dogfighting case as the low point in athlete disgrace.
Jake’s Response: Agrees Vick is egregious but personally points to Aaron Hernandez:
"There was something just so chilling about that story when it was happening…He seemed to just unravel into complete psychopathy. Is that a word, psychopathy? It sounded smart coming out of my mouth. We're just going to go with it." (19:56)
Aaron Hernandez, O.J. Simpson, Robert Rozier are also discussed as infamous cases, with Jake promising a future Disgraceland feature on Rozier.
"Lana Del Rey Go To Song for Me is definitely ‘West Coast’. It’s the first song that brought me into the Lana Del Rey world…if I want to vibe out…it is Keith Jarrett, and the song is ‘The Rich and the Poor’." (22:38)
"The Replacements episode is an All Access episode. We do one full episode per month for our All Access crew." (24:33)
"Great point. Fantastic point. Sid had a lot of problems and to lionize a guy like that...is pretty hypocritical when you put it up against the Courtney Love, Kurt Cobain dilemma."
He acknowledges strong fan reactions to Disgraceland’s Courtney and Kurt episodes, reiterates his editorial honesty, and expresses interest in doing more episodes about women in punk (L7, Kathleen Hanna, Mia Zapata/The Gits).
Highlights archival episodes: Rolling Stones’ Exile on Main Street (ep. 36), Motown (ep. 40), Kurt Cobain/Courtney Love (eps. 25/26), Public Enemy (ep. 171), Prince (ep. 59).
Discusses recent social media shout-outs from Chuck D and Apollonia.
Listener Reviews and Free Merch
Brennan reads heartwarming reviews, awards free merch to those who reach out.
On creative risk:
"Taking a chance on making something new is difficult. It's easy to do something that's been done before." (12:11)
On Aaron Hernandez:
"To me there's something just...chilling about that story....the way that he seemed to just unravel into complete psychopathy." (19:56)
On family gambling:
"My aunt Poppy, I'm pretty sure, puts more time into studying point spreads during the football season than I do researching Disgraceland topics. And I'm not even joking." (10:49)
On podcast philosophy:
"Disgraceland is not a journalistic podcast—it's an entertainment podcast inspired by true events." (Podcast description)
"No one cares about great storytelling more than you do. And, well, that's a disgrace." (46:22)