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This is exactly right.
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Hey discos, need a little more Disgrace Land in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The afterparty. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode.
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A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show. The party after the party.
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The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into our mission.
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To uncover the truth. To confront the myth. To reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, a top five Soccer Hooligan Rockstar Countdown as inspired by this week's full episode on the Hillsboro Disaster. Rod, the bod, Sir Elton, the Cartel, some metalhead tryhards and more. Plus your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, DMs,
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and as always, a whole lotta Rosie.
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This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the
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history that gets buried.
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Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told. The kind you'll End up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. All right, so we're doing a little bit of sports this week because the World cup is among us. But, you know, sports through the lens
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of chaos and tragedy, which is very disgraceland.
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Our Hillsboro tragedy episode is in the
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feed for you guys. That's what prompted all this. This is the story of the 97 innocent victims who died at this soccer match back in 1989, and the story
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about how they were scapegoated by authorities. It's just.
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It's maddening. It's. I knew nothing about this story when
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I first heard about it about five
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years ago or so.
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Anyways, it's an incredible tale.
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I hope you dig it. Check it out. It's in the feed right now. We have it live now because at this time of year, the World cup is happening, NBA finals are happening, Stanley cup finals, the NCAA baseball tournament. Sports is dominating our attention at the moment, is what I'm saying.
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So I thought I'd do a little
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high fidelity Rob Gordon Championship Vinyl Top 5 Rock and roll soccer crossover moments,
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with an emphasis, of course, on the
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strange and bizarre and the unknown.
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Unknown, at least to me, and hopefully
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to you as well.
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All right, so let's get into it. Number five, the rock and roll myth
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that Rod Stewart and. No, not that myth, that Rod Stewart was signed by a professional soccer club by Brentford FC Brentford Football Club, back
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before he became a famous rock star. The myth goes.
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As the myth goes, Rod chose not to play professionally in order to sing about hot legs and girls named Maggie Mae.
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But that's not true, okay? What is true is that Rod tried out.
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It was his life's ambition as a child up to that point, to become a professional soccer player.
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He tried out, but the team never called him back.
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But this was believed forever, basically. And the story originated with a young publicist back in the day when Rod's career was just getting going. And the story was embellished throughout the years. People believed it. It was, of course, overshadowed by another Rod Stewart rock and roll myth that I'm not gonna get into here.
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And it wasn't until Rod himself set
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the record STR in his 2012 autobiography, which is really good, by the way. I highly recommend it. I'm sure, however, that Rod was. Was at least pleased with the notion that people thought he could have been a professional soccer player.
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Football player.
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I can't say football. I have to. I have to say soccer. English listeners, forgive me. European listeners, I should say, forgive me. When I say soccer, I know fully that you guys call it football. And I'm just gonna say soccer because that's what we do over here. We have a whole other game.
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You know, this.
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All right, I'm not gonna get into that. Listen, I'd be pleased too, if the world thought that I, in addition to being a world famous rock star, could also be a professional athlete.
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And, you know, Rod kind of looks the part.
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I know it's weird to think of 1970s Rod Stewart as a professional athlete, a professional anything besides a rock star, based on the whole peacock attire and the, you know, the hair, all that.
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But if you look at 70s photos
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of him playing soccer, he kind of looks great.
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He looks the part, I gotta say.
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It's a believable story, but it's not true. All right, number four, listen. What's up with the dudes in Iron Maiden? I swear, they're like superhumans or something. Singer Bruce Dickinson literally flies Iron Maiden and their crew from gig to gig in a massive Boeing 747 jumbo jet.
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This isn't like John F. Kennedy Jr. Up there in a little prop plane. A jumbo jet.
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All right?
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Bruce Dickinson's also vegan.
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He's, I think, 276 years old and still looks 33.
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I think he's straight edge. And he was once ranked top 20
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in the UK as a fencer, which I'm told is a sport.
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But I'm not here to talk about fencing.
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I'm here to talk about Steve Harris, Ironman's bass player.
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And in addition to inventing his own style of bass playing that has been aped by tons of heavy metal bass
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guitarists over the years. Steve Harris, bass player for Iron Maiden, was also scouted as a kid by
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legendary footballer Wally St. Pierre and signed to West Ham United. Signed into their youth program. Anyways, now, Steve Harris, unlike Rod Stewart, he actually did get the call and
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he chose to play rock and roll instead. Still supports West Ham United to this day. Pretty cool.
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All right, number three, this is the
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one I really want to talk about. 1996, great year.
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So called swaggiest game of soccer ever
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was played in East London at a charity event during the height of Brit pop.
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And more specifically, during the height of
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the Oasis Blur battle for Brit pop supremacy.
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They literally called it the battle of Brit Pop. We'll get into the mechanics of all that.
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Listener Sally from Colorado
What?
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That was in the exclusive section of
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this afterparty and more into the Oasis and Blur rivalry than we're going to do right here.
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Go to disgraceandpod.com to sign up, get that exclusive content, get other exclusive content, get ad free content, all that.
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All right, disgrace.com that conversation is coming up later. But back to this one right here. Again, the battle for Brit pop supremacy. Now, the battle, you might be surprised to learn, was won by Blur with their 1995 chart dominance of their single Country House. Not country Home, Country House, reigning supreme over the Oasis single Roll with it. However, the war, the Britp pop war, was ultimately won by Oasis with their recent dominance, as witnessed by their 2025 unprecedented cultural and commercial resurgen new tour. All that stuff. You guys know all about that.
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But back in 1996, it was still
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undetermined which of these two Brit pop rivals was going to reign supreme.
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And no one knew who was going
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to reign supreme on the soccer field, on the pitch, as they say. Okay, Two celebrity teams pulled together to
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bang balls out on the field. And one team was captained by Damon Albert from Blur.
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And the other team was captained by Liam Gallagher from Oasis. It should be mentioned that Damon is a supporter of Chelsea and Liam is a supporter of Man City on the field that day.
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A ton of drama.
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As you can guess. Anytime you have Liam Gallagher and Damon from Blur in the same vicinity, there's going to be drama. Most of it, however, was brought on by Liam. He was in Damon's face almost the entire time, physically all over him all game. At one point, he tried pulling down his pants. At another point in the middle of the game, he took a smoke break. Liam did on the field. That makes sense.
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Chuck the. Chuck the can of beer at a reporter.
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That makes sense as well.
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Just genius Gallagher hooligan fieldwork. And of course, these guys, they looked
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great the entire time.
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Pictures of this event are fascinating. Just fascinating.
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They're awesome.
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You can tell Damon's taking it kind of seriously. He's kind of dressed in his own little uni. And then you got. You got Liam, who's in a. In a kangal on the field.
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Fucking amazing.
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It's so good. Damon's team won and Liam, of course,
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was not happy about that.
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You can hear, like I said, you
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can hear about the battle of Brit pop. More about that with Szeth and I in the exclusive section of this afterparty, Disgracelandpod.com to sign up. But if you want to hear more about this is fascinating. If you want to hear more about how soccer fight songs, ok, the big stadium chants. If you want to hear more about how that music directly inspired the pop mastery of Oasis. You gotta check out our Oasis episodes in our archive. All right.
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Okay. Next, number two on our Rob Gordon
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championship vinyl list of soccer. What are we doing? Soccer Rock and Roll Madness.
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Number two. This one is the weirdest. And I've largely ignored stories in my
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podcasting career about Mexican cartels getting involved in the music industry
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sports world as well. But I am blown away at the lengths that the cartels go to to
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grow their criminal enterprises.
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In 2017, the United States Department, United
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States Treasury Department, revealed that one professional
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soccer player, Mexican player Rafael Marquez, was
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being used, along with a popular Mexican musician, Julio Alvarez, to launder money for one of the cartels.
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Not just like, just imagine.
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We'll get to this in a second.
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Marquez played for Barcelona and was the
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captain of the Mexican national team. Okay, so just imagine that you work
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your whole life to get where you are, the literal top of the game, of your game. And one day a violent drug trafficker comes knocking and he tells you that you're going to help him launder his
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truckloads of money by buying and holding
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expensive assets for him. And then you get popped by the feds and your career is ruined.
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Sort of. Not really. Still, yikes. Same goes for the musician here.
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That's almost a little more understandable that
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a musician would get caught up in kind of a racket with a cartel, given that the history of the music business, it's so closely related to the crime business.
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But sports seems a little more pure, I guess. Anyways, Marquez, the player here, despite the drug cartel allegations, somehow cleared his name with Mexican authorities.
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I'm putting quotes around authorities and built
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a career as a coach and is now, incredibly to this day, the head coach of the Mexican national team. There's a lot I could say about this story that I'm not saying. You can kind of read between the lines here, and all the info is
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out there and easy to find if you're interested.
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Okay.
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Number one.
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Now, I knew the Rod Stewart story here.
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I knew about the Oasis and Blur match. I knew about Iron Maiden, Steve Harris. I knew that he was some kind of child savant, I should say. I didn't quite know the whole soccer
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connection, and I'm not surprised about the
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Mexican cartel infiltrating the world of soccer in music through players and musicians.
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But somehow, in all of my music history research, I never came across the fact that Elton John not only owned one, but two professional soccer clubs, Watford
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FC and the Los Angeles Aztecs.
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Even more important is the fact that Elton John brought this football club, Watford
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Am I saying that correctly? I'm probably not. I apologize to the good people of Watford, wherever that is.
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He brought this football club back from financial and competitive ruin. Lowest of the fourth division, ranked dead last, 92 of 92, all the way to the top tier of the first. Basically, Elton John did what Ryan Reynolds
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and Rob from Always Sunny in Philadelphia did with Rexam.
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Elton John already did it. It's just that there wasn't a Hulu
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back then when he did it, so they didn't make a TV show about it.
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But you know what's wild? I thought of this this morning when I came across this fact when I interviewed Elton John back in 2019.
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It was May of 2019, and he
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asked me, it was sort of like
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after the interview was done, and he
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asked me where I was from.
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And I told him Boston. And he got really animated and excited. He wanted it.
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I thought, this is hysterical. He started talking to me about the Boston Bruins because they're in the Stanley cup at that moment. And he was. He was just really animated about the
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success of Boston sports and wanted to know what it was like to be a Boston sports fan. Crazy.
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And this is because, like I said, the Bruins were in the Stanley cup at that moment.
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They lost to the Blues.
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The Celtics were in the Eastern Conference finals. I think they had just lost to Cleveland.
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I think that was that LeBron's Cavaliers, I think it was.
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But a couple months earlier, the Patriots had won the Super Bowl.
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They'd beaten the Rams.
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And that was in January. And a couple months before that, in October, early November, the Red Sox had
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won the World Series.
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It's just fascinating to think that out
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there as a Boston sports fan, that,
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you know, Elton John is sitting out there somewhere, you know, thinking about all
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the success that we are having as
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Boston sports fans really blew my mind. And I am so pissed off at myself for not knowing this history.
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Then about Elton John and the football team that he still owns a piece of. He's not running the team anymore with
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his buddy, but that he actually did what, again, what Ryan Reynolds and Rob
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from Always Sunny are celebrated for doing.
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It's like we've almost completely forgotten about this. It's not, I guess because Elton John
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has done so much, maybe it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, he did this thing too.
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But I don't know.
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I find it completely fascinating.
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Anyways, there's a little rock and roll
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in soccer history for you guys. Anyways, I find it completely fascinating and I'm a little upset at myself that
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I Wasn't able to bring that up
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with Elton John in the moment and talk to him about it and get his perspective of what that would have been like. You know, it's fascinating perspective. So few people own and guide the success of professional sports teams, never mind while also being one of the biggest
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pop stars on the planet in the history of the world, actually. I would have loved that. I would have loved to have asked
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him what that was like, and I didn't get the chance because of my own ignorance. And, yeah, bums me out a little bit.
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All right, anyways, there's a little rock and roll in soccer history for you
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guys for World cup week here in honor, as I said, of the Hillsborough disaster episode in your feeds this week.
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Speaking of disasters, we have our Marilyn Manson archive episode coming in the rewind slot this week. That's dropping right after this, so don't go anywhere. We still got a lot of after
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parties, so don't go anywhere.
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But, you know, you know, the Manson story, people ask me all the time,
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where do you get these crazy stories? How do you. How do you know what these rock stars are up to?
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And I often tell them about how well, you know, it's all out there.
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Many of them even put this information out there themselves. This guy, this fucking guy, he wrote
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it all down in his book. Seriously. About how he was gonna commit murder, like, in detail. How he was gonna pull off the crime, you know, how he degraded women fans. The abuse, the nihilism, the inhumanity, it's all there in his book.
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All of it is in Marilyn Manson's autobiography.
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So when accusations flooded into the public about Manson's treatment of the women in his life a couple years ago, none
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of it was surprising. Actually, that's not true. It was surprising. Confounding is a better word than surprising.
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Anyhow, check out this episode if you have not already. And actually, even if you have checked
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it out, even if you have listened, listen again, you'll learn more, you'll pick up more details, and this episode will not fail to shock you, even on second listen.
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Okay, after Marilyn Manson next week, we got a new episode in the feed on George Jones, one of my favorite singers of all time.
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Not just my favorite country singers, one of my favorite singers, period.
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I hear George's voice and I just
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stop what I'm doing and I listen.
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George had one of the greatest voices ever. So when you're listening to this episode, be thinking about which singers do it
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for you the most.
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Who's got that voice that just stops
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you in your tracks.
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That can bring you to tears, that can make you feel things that you don't normally. All right, that's going to be the question of the week. 617-906-6638. Give us a call, send us a text, let us know your answer. You might hear yourself on the after party now.
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I'm really excited about these next few episodes we got coming up at the beginning of the summer this year. The Sonic Youth episode we have coming is a banger to be all bangers. And it is super true crimey.
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It's not only about Thurston Moore and the badassness of Kim Gordon and the
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awesomeness of Steve Shelley and Lee Aldo
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and Thurston and Kim's relationship. It's about the true crime story that inspired the COVID of Sonic Youth's goo. A story with two of the coolest rock and roll heroes that nobody knows
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about at the center of it. A story about the shocking Moors Murders.
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Now, on the subject of shock, we are soon bringing you our heavily requested
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episode on Wendy O. Williams.
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You're like, oh, cool, maybe I'll check that out. Wendy O. Williams. She's the one with the duct tape nipples and the chainsaw who dated Lemmy from Motorhead. All that. Yes, it's about all of that. Of course, that's kind of the stuff
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I knew about her before we got into this episode and putting it together for you guys.
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But I did not understand the emotion and creative heartbreak at the heart of
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Wendy O. Williams story. It is a heavy one.
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And it's as much about the cost
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and the soul sucking sometimes. I should say the sometimes soul sucking nature of trying to make it in this world as a committed artist as
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it is about shock and the stuff
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that you would think it would be about. When we're talking about Wendy O. Williams, it's also about New York in the 70s, so it's right up our alley. You're gonna dig it.
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Okay, so little unexpected preview of episodes we got coming up here in Disgraceland this summer coming up right after this, your voicemails, text, DMs, emails and more.
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I'll be back in a flash.
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Mind Games Podcast Narrator
Before nexivm, Nancy Salzman wanted to help people.
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Mind Games Podcast Speaker
Being able to help somebody, it's probably the biggest motivator of my entire life.
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Mind Games Podcast Narrator
She trained in something called neuro linguistic programming.
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Mind Games Podcast Speaker
People loved our training.
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Mind Games Podcast Narrator
Then everything changed.
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Mind Games Podcast Speaker
Yeah, and they called it a cult.
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Mind Games Podcast Narrator
How does a method designed to improve lives end up in a cult?
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Mind Games Podcast Speaker
A knife in the hands of a surgeon is an amazing tool. A knife in the hands of a murderer is a weapon.
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Mind Games Podcast Narrator
Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Ana Navarro
I'm Anna Navarro and on my new podcast, Bleep with Anna Navarro, I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world. Because I know deep down inside right now we are all cursing and asking what the bleep is going on. Every week I'm breaking down the biggest issues happening in our communities and around the world. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown, who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018.
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Mind Games Podcast Narrator
The Justice Department through we counted four presidential administrations failed these victims.
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Ana Navarro
Listen to BLEEP with Ana Navarro on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. How much you weigh, Wanda?
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Right now about 130.
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Ana Navarro
I'm at 183. We should race. No, I want to leave here with my original hips.
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Aaliyah (The Matchup Podcast Host)
On the podcast the Matchup with Aaliyah, I pair prominent female athletes with unexpected guests. On a recent episode, I sat down with Undisputed boxing champ Clarissa Shields and comedian Wanda Sykes to talk about Wanda's new movie, the Art of Trash Talk and what it really means to be ladylike. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search the Matchup with Aaliyah and listen now.
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Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.
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All right, guys, we are back.
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617-906-6638. I'm in the phone booth.
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It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone with you guys, taking your calls. I'm gonna kind of go all over the map today, try to get to
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some folks who may have fell through the cracks with their voicemails in their
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texts and really kind of just no agenda. We can talk about anything that we've
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been talking about over the last few weeks, last few months. Let's go to the 71 9. Where's that? Colorado. This is from Sally.
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Listener Sally from Colorado
Hi, this is Sally from Colorado. I'm a little behind because I just became a paid member, so I'm just now listening to your after party about the list of the 30 most best writer songwriters that are still alive. And I just wanted to mention that I think there's two things that are important. One, I think who you think is missing has a lot to do with whether you're a guy or a girl. So that's number one. And number two, as much as you may not like Diane Warren, Diane Warren, I believe, holds the record for being nominated for the most Oscars and not winning one. Okay, so, you know, like 18 or 19 times. So there's a reason she's on the list. You may not like her, but there's a reason she's on the list. Your show is amazing. I can't even tell you how excited I am. I found it. Y' all have a great day. Bye.
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Sally, thank you for your call.
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I was just having some fun with Diane Warren.
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Not my cup of tea, you know, that big pop stuff. But I completely hear you.
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You said nominated for the most Oscars. I think you meant nominated for the most Grammys. Right? I think so. She's basically like the Suzanne Lucci. Was that that woman's name, the soap opera star who would get nominated every year and not win.
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And I think, yeah. Diane Warren being nominated that many times, having that kind of impact that she's
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had despite my personal taste.
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You're absolutely right.
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Deserves. Deserves a spot on the list.
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So I hear you, Sally, and thank you for the kind words about the show as well.
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Appreciate you appreciate the new listeners, for sure. Appreciate the older listeners as well, who have been here since back in the day. Let's go to. Where are we going to go here? Let's go to the 385 and talk a little Foo Fighters.
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Listener Jake
Hey, Jake. Big fan thing about Taylor Hawkins. I've been a big fan of Foo Fighters for a really long time. I, I've, I've loved their music videos. I've loved every album, Deep Cuts and all that, blah, blah and everything. And I watched the documentary on HBO and bought that album. And I did everything short of see them. I never got to see them. I never got to see Taylor. And as a big fan of the Foo Fighters, it's really disappointing. And I delve deeper into their stuff and I gotta tell you, the reason Taylor Hawkins died was pretty boring. His drugs. That's it. That's my guess. You know, just of all the things they did, I mean, they did all the drugs and they got OD'd and they sent to the hospital and then they made a documentary about themselves. All right, peace.
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Three, eight, five. Appreciate the call. And I got a quibble a little bit. I just my, my thinking here on
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the he died from drugs reasoning.
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Why wouldn't they just say that?
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And again, the reaction I think that you would give me if we were having a two way convo here in, in real life, you'd say, well, you know, they didn't want his kids to know his kid to know. They want his family to, you know, have to deal with whatever the ramifications are, public opinion, blah, blah, blah. But we live in a world where addiction is more understood than it ever has been before. It's certainly more socially acceptable as a disease and no longer seen as something that, you know, is a mark of somebody who's weak or a personality defect or anything like that.
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And it just makes me think that, you know, if it were a drug
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overdose, even if it were accidental, you
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know, even if he was like smoking a joint and had like fentanyl on
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it or something, if that were the case, they would say that, but they just have not. And in the absence of a reason, there has to be a different reason, I guess. I don't know. I don't know. 617-906-6638.
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Host (likely the main podcast host)
You got any more theories on the Foo Fighters? Hit us up. You want to talk about anything at all, Hit us up. Voicemail and text. 970 writes in on a popular popular subject here. Cover songs on the disgrace and question of unlikely covers.
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I know I'm late, But Run River
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North's cover of Mr. Brightside is amazing. Starts as a kind of coffee shop cover, but then turns into an amazing
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string arrangement and some great, great harmonies. It's beautiful.
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I think there's a lot of covers
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of killer songs because the melodies are epic in scope and they just, they lend themselves to great interpretations. Thank you for the recommendation here. 970-run-river north.
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Never heard of him, but I will check it out. My son, my youngest, is obsessed with this song right now, so I'll look
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it up and I'll play it for him.
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770 writes in hey Jake. It's Jake. The Sopranos is my favorite show of all time, and I had an an important note when Chrissy and Tony Chrissy are driving and listening to the Roger Waters live version of Comfortably Numb. They're listening to it off of the Departed soundtrack, which I've always found to be very interesting, especially considering the episode aired just a year after the movie was released. There's also overlap between the two, as Armin Garo plays Coco in Sopranos and plays one of the Providence gangsters who gets his ass kicked by Billy Costigan in the Departed. Love the show. Keep up the great work, Rocka Rolla.
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First of all, the guy who plays
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Coco is one of the most frightening
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dudes to ever come on the screen in Sopranos and I do remember him from Departed as well. Yeah, there's some crazy crossover there. I just talked about this.
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I can't tell if your text is
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if you're writing me in relation to what we were just talking about or if this is just coincidental.
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I did not mention that the actual
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CD that Chris Moltisante is listening to in that scene in the Kennedy and Heidi episode. Not going to spoil it. I did not mention that it was the Departed soundtrack that he's listening to because I forgot and he reminded me. And I think he says something about it too, doesn't he? I think he says something about the soundtrack. I don't know, Jake. Let me know. 617-90-66638.
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Host (likely the main podcast host)
Manny Bravo from the 732 in the Rock and Roll. Asbury Park, New Jersey writes in. I'm so glad that you were talking about Widow's Bay on Apple tv. It's such a great show. I've been telling everyone about it. Each character has done so well with a little background on each stories of their own. Yeah, you're right. You're right, Manny. Was I talking about Widow's Bay or
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was Szeth in the wrap party? I can't remember.
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Back to the sopranos with the 5 6, 2.
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We might have some clarity on this on this Departed issue here. This one's from Celeste.
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She writes in.
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Hey, Jake, I'm a Sopranos super fan
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and I had to drop a line.
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Christopher was playing the soundtrack from the Departed for Tony. Christopher comments about how bad the sound system in his car and is fiddling with it. He takes his eyes off the road and the rest is history. Hmm. Hmm. P.S. thanks for the recommendation on DTF St. Louis. I only checked it out because you said it was good. Celeste. You. You're welcome there, Celeste. I wonder if we're getting other DTFs.
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The title makes me think we are.
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DTF St. Louis.
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Maybe they're gonna do like a DTF Chicago.
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DTF Boston. I'd be into that.
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This one comes from the 503. Hello, new listener. Really love your podcast Disgraceland. Just got done listening to the Kanye episode about bipolar one disorder, and it really resonated with me because my mom and my brother both suffer from bipolar disorder. One suffers from bipolar two and the
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other from bipolar one, just like Kanye.
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And I will say his depiction of a manic episode a thousand percent accurate.
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My brother will be okay one day and then the next he will think he is the next messiah and that he has to build the next kingdom of God. Sorry for the long text, but if Kanye really is telling the truth about having bipolar one disorder, I feel for him.
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The saddest part is they don't think
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anything's wrong with them. And then they think that once they're on medication and everything's normal, they can just stop taking it and things will stay the same.
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Appreciate the text. 503. I have experience with this in my
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family as well with my grandmother and my sister and appreciate the text. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about Kanye. It's a really hard thing to talk about. It's a really hard thing to think about. I hope somebody writes a great book one day.
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Alright guys, 617906-6638 voicemail and text. You want to hit me up about anything?
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Have at it.
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Now's a good time. I'm going on vacation and going on vacation for two weeks so I'm banging
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out these after party episodes.
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It's a good time to get in touch.
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You might hear yourself. 617-906-6638 but you gotta do it soon. All right, hit me up voicemail and text. I'll be back right after this with more of you emails, DMs and more coming up.
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All right, we are back to scrisampodmail.com I gotta clean something up here. I made a little mistake in that John Len episode which has been live
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for a while now.
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We released it back into the wild
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with our rewind this past week.
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This email comes from Leslie Fortin who points out that hey, the Freedom Rally concert for John Sinclair in your John Lennon episode was not at Pontiac Stadium. I lived in Pontiac at the time and never heard of such a place.
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It was at Chrysler arena in Ann
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Arbor at the University of Michigan. Now Leslie, thank you for this. I messed up. I'm not trying to cast blame elsewhere, but I wonder if I read a mistaken depiction of this venue in my research or if my brain just read Pontiac. Excuse me, red Chrysler and and then I voiced Pontiac. Either are possible.
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I'm guessing it's the latter. I'm guessing I that's what happened. My brain just fritz there. I apologize and I appreciate you pointing this out. We get to clean that up and that is something that we will do shortly.
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Disgraceandpodmail.com I want to thank Artis Faulkner.
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Listener from doesn't say here, but he sends along a video with Henry Rollins talking about the new release from the Cramps. There's a new Cramps release and I
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don't know what the hell that is,
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but we got to figure it out. I'm going to dig into this Rollin Video.
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Thank you artists. Appreciate you. Emily L writes in hey, you asked if there is something in music history, when we hear about it, it just makes us angry. Well, I'm gonna have to go with Live Nation and Ticketmaster. Ticketmaster has been known to cheat, lie, steal and rip us off for years and get away with it. Live Nation has lied their way out
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of so many lawsuits and gets away with murder.
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These are two of the most evil corporations right now in the music industry. You're absolutely right, Emily. I do not disagree.
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It's maddening.
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I love how Jack Antonoff is at
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the front of this conversation. I don't understand. This is just insane.
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I don't even like getting into it because it's one of those things I
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try really hard as I'm getting older to not focus on things that are making me angry. This is one of a man right up there.
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Disgraceandpodmail.com you want to hit us up?
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We'll entertain any topic. Actually, that's not true. Make it about music and or true crime. Sure fire Way to hear your email read.
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All right, listen, earlier somebody had mentioned that I recommended, what was it, DTF
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St. Louis as another somebody else mentioned another recommendation. I can't remember what it was. If you want recommendations for me on the regular they're happening in the Hollywoodland feed in the wrap party episode where myself and Zeth Lundy each week give you recommendations. I give you music recommendations. Zeth gives you film recommendations. Usually they're centered around some sort of crime.
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They're almost always centered around whatever that
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week's Hollywood and crime subject is that we're talking about in Hollywoodland.
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Make sure you are subscribed to the
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Hollywoodland podcast if you're not already.
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Also, Dr. Lundy and I, he's not
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only my doctor, he's also my attorney. Zeth and I are talking music in films. Great soundtracks, great music supervision. Our favorite films with the best music in our video podcast. This film should be played loud and you can hear that and you can watch that right now by becoming an All Access member. Our newest episode on the Royal Tenenbaums. Go to Disgracesampod.com to sign up. You'll get exclusive content like this plus
- [36:23]
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ad free content plus exclusive content like the conversation we're having about the battle
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Co-host or secondary host (likely the afterparty co-host)
of Brip, Pop, Oasis and Blur that's happening right now. Again, if you want to hear it, go to disgracesandpod.com to sign up. All right, I'll be back in a flash.
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All right, we are back. Let's recap. We talked about Iron Maiden today.
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Don't have an episode on Iron Maiden. I'd love to. I'd love to research one, though. They're a band that I I.
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There's parts of their catalog that I really love and parts I'm not interested
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in, but I am interested in the band and their history. We talked about Rod Stewart and remarkably, we don't have a Rod Stewart episode either.
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Of course we mentioned Oasis.
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Check out those Oasis episodes in our archive. Matt's going to have episode information in the show notes section of this after party to help you easily navigate to our Oasis episodes.
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It's that time. We've come to the end of another after party. I got to get out of here. So let's recap real quick, shall we?
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Number one, this week our episode on
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the Hillsborough disaster is available for the World Cup.
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Ness of everything that's happening, you can check that out right now.
- [37:34]
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Number two, our rewind episode on Marilyn
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Manson is coming your way right after this.
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Number three, Next week our new episod episode on George Jones. Number four is that's going to give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland podcast. So make sure you are subscribed wherever
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you get your podcast.
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Number five, this film should be played loud.
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Our video podcast this month on Royal Tenenbaums is available for you to watch. Go to disgraceandpod.com to sign up. Number 661-7906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the
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dark corners of music history. So keep calling, texting, giving us your answers to this week's question of the week or to whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven don't forget discos.
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This isn' a community. A community the obsessed.
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And no one cares about music, books,
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records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And, well, that's a Disgrace, all right.
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April 15, 1989. That's when the Hillsborough disaster went down.
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And this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the billboard charts. Number 1 she Drives Me Crazy. Fine Young Cannibals Last Week 4 Peak Position 1 Weeks on Chart 12 Number 2 the Look Rockset Last Week 1 Peak Position 1 Weeks on Chart 10 Number 3 Like a Prayer Madonna. Last Week 5 Peak Position 3 Weeks on Charts 5 Number 4 Eternal Eternal Flame. The Bangles. Last One 2 Peak Position 1. Quit talking and start mixing.
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Cut it.