Bonus Episode - Suffering Souls, Subversion, and More Great Girl Groups

Summary

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DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: Suffering Souls, Subversion, and More Great Girl Groups

Host: Jake Brennan
Release Date: June 5, 2025

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Episode Overview

This bonus "Afterparty" episode of DISGRACELAND bridges the gap between the week’s main episode (on Marilyn Manson) and upcoming content, featuring listener interaction, deep dives into music history, and a lively conversation about the psychology of notorious musicians, subversive artists, and the legacy of all-female rock groups. Jake Brennan draws connections between trauma, artistry, and crime, solicits audience feedback, revisits recent and classic DISGRACELAND episodes, and announces future content—always keeping the tone irreverent, reflective, and fan-oriented.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Suffering, Evil, and the Psychopaths of Rock (03:32–11:00)

• Literary Inspiration & True Crime Psychology:

  • Jake opens by reading a passage from the book Maidens by Alex Michaelides about the origins of the term "psychopath":

    “A long time ago, psychopathy used to be called simply evil… The word psychopath was coined by a German psychiatrist in 1888… literally meaning suffering soul.” (04:12)

  • He links this to themes explored in DISGRACELAND, expressing that suffering in an artist’s childhood often manifests later as both creative fire and destructive behavior.

• Compassion without Excuse:

  • Jake clarifies DISGRACELAND is not about excusing bad behavior, but understanding its roots:

    “We’re not trying to excuse the behavior of these musicians. We’re just trying to understand it.” (06:45)

  • He gives examples like Jerry Lee Lewis, Diddy, Madonna, and James Brown, noting that trauma and suffering shape their psychological profiles and actions.

• Marilyn Manson: Evil or Unique?:

  • Jake reflects on Marilyn Manson as a rare subject who demonstrates little evident humanity, even in his autobiography:

    “In my research, I’ve come across next to no examples of empathy from Marilyn Manson. I hope it exists. I hope it’s there.” (10:03)

  • He invites listeners to offer stories of Manson’s redemptive or humane acts, keeping the conversation ongoing.

2. Fan Voices: Listener Calls, Texts, and DMs (18:07–27:00)

• Great Girl Groups & Overlooked Pioneers:

  • Several listeners call to spotlight overlooked all-female bands, expanding Jake’s understanding:
    • Katie from 414 on Fanny:

      “They were self-taught musicians and wrote all their own music… they were one of David Bowie’s favorite bands and he said about them… 'They played like motherfuckers. They were just colossal and wonderful…'” (19:24)

    • Listener from 812 recommends The Slits and X-Ray Spex’s Poly Styrene for punk notoriety.

• Marilyn Manson and Ministry:

  • Diana from Toronto (22:26) recalls seeing Marilyn Manson open for Nine Inch Nails and requests an episode on Al Jourgensen of Ministry:

    “My interest in that artist begins and ends with how they treat people consensually.”

  • Jake responds:

    “Al Jorgensen from Ministry is definitely on our list... There’s going to be a lot of vivid details from that research.” (23:05)

• Nostalgia & Personal Memories:

  • Listeners reminisce about old punk/metal scenes, sharing stories that resonate with Jake's own youth—creating a sense of shared community.

3. Subversive Artists, Success, and Scene Politics (19:24–44:00)

• Defining Success in Music:

  • Jake responds to Ed Trask (804) on the definition of success for all-girl punk bands:

    “I say success is — can you fill a reasonable-sized club in a bunch of different cities outside your own and sustain yourself as a musician? That to me is a success.” (41:50)

  • A long list of overlooked influential female punk bands is read, incl. L7, Bikini Kill, Babes in Toyland, Shonen Knife, and more.

• Previewing Future Episodes & Calls to Action:

  • Jake teases the upcoming Björk episode:

    “Is the Björk story the wildest story of obsession and deranged fandom in music history? It’s pretty fucking deranged, as you shall hear.” (12:16)

  • Listeners are encouraged to weigh in on their picks for the most subversive or definitive stories of fan obsession.

4. DISGRACELAND & Hollywoodland Housekeeping (34:27–44:00)

• More Content, More Platforms:
  • Jake promotes the Patreon/All Access subscription: ad-free episodes, extra content (most recent: David Crosby; next: Shannon Hoon of Blind Melon), and interactive Patreon chats.
  • Cross-promotion for Hollywoodland, DISGRACELAND’s sibling podcast about true crime in classic Hollywood, including a preview for Hollywoodland’s new "wrap party" feature with writer Zeth Lundy, and recommendations inspired by the episodes:

    “Hollywoodland is the other podcast that I host, which is basically just like Disgraceland, but instead of music and true crime, it’s Hollywood.” (35:47) “John Belushi made me think about Blues Brothers… John Lee Hooker… Grinder Man. To me, it’s the sound of violence...” (37:50)

5. Memorable Quotes & Voice-of-the-Episode Moments

• On Marilyn Manson's lack of compassion:

  “In the one time that the artist... bends toward humanity, it's for completely selfish reasons if we're to believe him, because he believes that being humane will help him with his art.” (09:07)

• On punk era camaraderie:

  “I was neither a punk or a metalhead so much as a hard rocker who was friends with both. That's kind of like what I was. Really…” (25:30)

• Fan on the overlooked greatness of Fanny:

  “They were extraordinary… and nobody ever mentions them. They're just as important as anybody else who's ever been.” – Katie from 414 / David Bowie quote (19:24)

• On the Go-Go’s and major label “success”:

  “They were, of course, a success. They were the biggest success with that number one album. That was my point. Number one success of all girl groups with that number one album.” (43:41)

6. Pop Culture Zeitgeist: What’s Coming Up? (Throughout)

• Upcoming content reminders:

  • Marilyn Manson episode recap (week's main episode)
  • Next week: Björk and the story of her obsessed would-be murderer
  • Friday & Saturday: DISGRACELAND Rewind with Stones at Altamont and Stones in Exile
  • Hollywoodland: Fatty Arbuckle, upcoming John Belushi episode

• Call to action for listener participation:

  “If anyone's a fan, hit me up, let me know. Let me know what I don't know, okay? If Brian Warner has had some sort of redemption… I want to know.” (10:09)

7. Listener Review Segment (44:00–47:00)

• Jake reads standout 5-star reviews and highlights feedback on the Marilyn Manson and Go-Gos episodes, promising “something special in the mail” for those featured.
• Noteworthy fan feedback on Manson’s live sobriety (Chastity Danette, Spotify).

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening & Episode Theme: 03:32
• The “Suffering Soul” and Artist Psychopathy: 03:50–11:00
• Listener Calls: Girl Groups, Punk & Fanny: 19:24–22:26
• Marilyn Manson and Industrial Scene: 22:26–23:05
• Listener Stories & Punk Nostalgia: 25:30–27:00
• Sports Rant Break: 28:50–30:00
• Hollywoodland & Wrap Party Preview: 34:27–39:26
• Email Bag & What is Success?: 39:26–44:12
• Listener Reviews & Wrap-Up: 44:00–47:00

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Conclusion & Final Thoughts

Jake Brennan’s afterparty is a blend of true crime analysis, music history detective work, fan engagement, and irreverent humor. The episode draws a compelling line between trauma and artistry, challenges ideas of "evil" versus "psychopathy," and invites fans to consider the lesser-known female pioneers of rock. The result? A rollicking, reflective ride that’s as subversive as the artists it chronicles.

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For more—or to jump into the next wave of madness—search “DISGRACELAND” and “Hollywoodland” wherever you get your podcasts, and join the conversation at 617-906-6638.

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Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the After Party. This is the show after the show. The party after the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt on this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's full episode subject on Marilyn Manson. We are previewing the coming Bjork episode, talking about the worst bands of the 90s and we go through your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of rosy all right discos, let's get into it. So I'm reading this great book called Maidens by Alex Michelitis. I think that's how you pronounce his name. Apologies Alex, if I got that wrong. It's one of those modern day Agatha Christie type whodunit books that we've talked about here. Books. I love books. I know a bunch of you love as well. And last night I came across this passage that I thought was super relevant to the music in true crime storytelling that we're doing here. It's short. I'm going to read it to you now. It says a long time ago, psychopathy used to be called simply evil. People who were evil, who took delight in hunting or killing others were written about ever since Medea took an axe to her children and probably long before that. The word psychopath was coined by a German psychiatrist in 1888, the same year Jack the Ripper terrorized London from the German word psychopastische, literally meaning suffering soul. For Mariana, that's the character in the book. For Mariana, this was the clue. The suffering, the sense that these monsters were also in pain, thinking about them as victims allowed her to be more rational in her approach and more compassionate. Psychopathy or sadism never appeared from nowhere. It was not a virus infecting someone out of the blue. It had a long prehistory in childhood. And that's the end of the passage. So basically, what that quote is telling us and what medical history is telling us is that psychopaths are not born, they're baked in childhood from the suffering that these people experience from their own past trauma. Now, in almost every episode that we've covered here, where we dive into a musician's past, particularly the more psychotic musicians, the ones who have allegedly killed, like Jerry Lee Lewis, those who are sexually abusive megalomaniacs like Diddy, the psychotically ambitious, like Madonna, the violently drug crazed, like James Brown. And every one of those cases we find in our research suffering, as the quote that I just read to you says. Now, as always, I'm not excusing these quote unquote, suffering souls. I'm simply trying to understand them. And like I've always said, what made James Brown carry a shotgun cross country police, chase and violently abuse women while fueled on crazy amounts of drugs? Okay, what made him do that is the same thing that made one of the greatest musicians in the history of the world. The fact that he was raised in a whorehouse and disciplined as a young boy by being held upside down in a burlap bag and beaten with a wooden stick. Without that trauma, you don't get the drive to become the hardest working man in show business, and you don't get that artistry and you don't get the psychotic behavior either. Same goes for the rest of the musicians that I mentioned. Now, for those of you who are new to Disgraceland this week, again, we're not trying to excuse the behavior of these musicians. We're just trying to understand it. So to this week's episode subject, Marilyn Manson, that quote that I read you says that before they had the word psychopath, they just called those who willingly hurt others evil. The introduction of the word introduced the concept of suffering and thus the possibility, I guess, of further understanding. We all understand evil. It's black and white. Psychopathy is a little more gray, a little more complicated. Now, do I think Diddy is a psychopath? Yes. Do I let Diddy off the hook for what he's done? No. Do I understand why he did it? Yeah, I kind of do. As you can tell from the two full Sean Combs episodes that we've released, particularly Part two, that delves into his history and the murder of his father by a notorious Harlem gangster. That trauma, that suffering, it not only allows us to understand what these artists have done, but it also, in some cases, not in all, but in some cases, drives the artists to contrition, to empathy. But what about this week's subject, Marilyn Manson? Was his behavior that we detailed in this episode psychotic? Yes. Was there past suffering in his life trauma debatable? Now, I was struck when reading Marilyn Manson's autobiography by the fact that there's nearly zero examples of the artist's humanity. Quite the opposite. Inhumanity is one of the goals of the artist. In the one time that the artist, that Marilyn Manson, bends toward humanity, it's for completely selfish reasons if we're to believe him, because he believes that being humane will help him with his art. So what does that make Marilyn Manson? Well, it makes him unique amongst all the subjects that we've covered. But does his lack of humanity, does his striving for inhumanity not only make him a psychopath, but instead make him evil, truly evil? I don't know the answer to that, but I hope the answer is no. I'm always rooting for the comeback. Just like Don Kove and a certain Jewish carpenter, I'm always rooting for mercy. Part of what I think is going on here with Marilyn Manson is, I think, you know, in his autobiography, I think he's a bit of an unreliable narrator. He's trying, I was about to say, desperately, but not desperately. He's trying in the autobiography to paint a picture of a different type of artist. And he does a damn good job in doing that. Now, what we think of that artist is a completely different story. There's been a ton of hate and anger directed at Marilyn Manson in our social posts this week. And I get it. I get the anger. But one poster commented that Marilyn Manson, AKA Brian Warner, has cleaned himself up. In my research, I've come across next to no examples of empathy from Marilyn Manson. I hope it exists. I hope it's there. If anyone's a fan, hit me up, let me know. Let me know what I don't know, okay? If Brian Warner has had some sort of redemption beyond getting just back on the road and filling stadiums and getting his career going again, if he's changed in any demonstrably humane ways, I want to know. So hit me up. 617-906-6638 on voicemail and text or Disgracelandpod on the socials, we'll keep the Marilyn Manson conversation at a low hum. We'll keep that going, try and figure this out. Try and get more into it because, you know, love him or hate him, you just can't get around the fact that he's a fascinating individual. All right, speaking of fascinating individuals like yourselves this week, for those of you who are new here, let me break it down for you, okay? Let me break it down for you, what we do here, all right? On Tuesdays we release a new full scripted sound design episode of Disgraceland. Our bread and butter, so to speak, like we just did this past Tuesday with Marilyn Manson. On Thursdays we release these after party bonus episodes where we discuss the full episode and where I take your calls and texts relative to the full episodes question of the week, which gets asked the week prior. And at the end of the full episodes on Fridays, we dip into our archive of over 235 full episodes and relaunch a previously released episode. Okay? It's like when that TV show that you used to watch back in the day would air a rerun, okay? We call these rewind episodes and we do this because we have so many damn episodes, all right? It helps expose new listeners to some of our past hits. Occasionally those rewind episodes that we release on Fridays are part of a multi episode story. And in that case, we release both parts one and two over the weekend, which is what we are doing this Friday and this Saturday with our rewind episodes on the Rolling Stones at Altamont and the Rolling Stones in Exile. These are two of my favorite episodes on one of my favorite bands of all time. And I cannot wait for you guys to hear them. If you have not already. If you have. I can't wait for you to re listen and get your dad deeper insight when we talk again next week. Now next week on Tuesday is our new episode. Our next new episode on Bjork and the Truly psychotic man, not a musician, truly psychotic man who tried to murder her. Okay, this is our swing at one of those old school 90s obsession suspense thrillers. All right? That's what we tried to do in this episode. So when you're listening to that episode, guys, be thinking about is the Bjork story, the wildest story of obsession and deranged fandom in music history. It's pretty fucking deranged, as you shall hear. But if it's not the most deranged or if it is, either way, I want to hear your thoughts on it. 617-90-66638 voicemail and text with your answers and you might hear yourself on next week's afterparty all right, I'm gonna take a quick break, gonna drink some tea, gonna give my voice a rest. I'll be back in a flash though, with your calls, texts and DMs on last week's question the most subversive artists of the 1990s back right after this.

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Guys. We are back and as I say every week, you know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I am hanging on the telephone. [phone]. You want to get your voicemails into me? You want to get your text into me? 617-906-6638 real quick, before we get into the calls and the texts and the emails and all that, please. Apple podcast listeners, those of you who are new, especially New Apple podcast listeners, make sure you have auto downloads turned on for this show for Disgraceland. That way you don't miss an episode ever. All right. Last week we released our episode on the Go Go's and we followed that up on Friday with a rewind episode on Madonna. The Go Go's episode prompted this conversation of the greatest girl groups of all time. And we went through some some lists that we found online. And strange, despite being the only group of female musicians in the history of the world who had a number one album, the Go Go's were left off a lot of those lists. And you guys clearly want to talk about that and you want to talk about some of the greatest girl groups of all time in addition to the Go Gos. And I want to give you guys a little more space here on this subject. So let's check out this voicemail from Katie in the 41 4.

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Hey Jake, this is Katie from the 41 4. Yeah, I know it's a 920 number but I'm a transplant. Anyway. I'm late to the game for the best all female rock bands of all time. But after listening to the afterparty I am so disappointed that Sani was not even part of the conversation. They were self taught musicians and wrote all their own music. They were the first all female band to put out a full length album on a major label which was none other than the Beatles label Apple Records. And they were the first all female band to achieve a top 40 hit in 1971. They were one of David Bowie's favorite bands and he said about them, quote, they were one of the finest fucking rock bands of their time. They were extraordinary. They wrote everything, they played like motherfuckers. They were just colossal and wonderful and nobody ever mentions them. They're just as important as anybody else who's ever been and ever. It just wasn't their time. All that evidence and a Bowie endorsement. They absolutely deserves a top spot on that greatest of all time with you definitely gotta check him out later.

[Jake Brennan]

Katie. This is why I love discos. This is why I love the Disgrace Sandler series. I have never ever even heard of Fanny. I've never heard of Fanny. Unbelievable. I just looked them up while I was listening to your call and I can't wait to listen to him. Thank you so much Apple Records. So you know it's going to be real David Bowie endorsement and for all the reasons you just mentioned. Katie, thank you so much. Everyone else, get into Fannie, give him a spin. Get back to us, get Back to Katie. Let us know what you think. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. 812 calls in with the following voicemail.

[Listener Callers]

Hey Jake, I'm sorry, trying this one more time because I am awkward on the phone. I just wanted to point out the Slits as an all group band that contributed a lot to punk rock specifically. And then the other person I wanted to point out, not an all girl group, but as a front woman that hasn't been mentioned is Polly Styrene from the X Ray Specs. I feel like they deserve a mention regardless of how awkward I am. And yeah, that's it. Thank you so much.

[Jake Brennan]

812. Not awkward at all. Your voicemails are always welcome here. Thank you. And I have to admit, I think we did. I think someone did mention the Slits briefly. Maybe it was on Social, maybe it wasn't in the after party. But I have to admit I've of course heard of the Slits. I'm sure I have heard the Slits, but I've never actively sat down and listened to a Slits album. So call back or text back 617-906-6638 and tell me where to start. Give me one, one song or preferably one record, one album for me to start with for the Slits. Appreciate the Wreck and the call. 812, thank you very much. All right, moving on to. Where are we going here? Let's go to Toronto. The 41 6.

[Listener Callers]

Jake, it is Diana calling from Toronto. I just listened to the Marilyn Manson episode. It was incredible. I saw them open for Nine Inch Nails in 96 in Toronto. It was incredible. They absolutely blew Nine Inch Nails out of the water. And Nine Inch Nails threw an amazing show that night. Yeah, they. They were great. And you know, it takes a bunch of madness to create art that good. But my interest in that artist begins and ends with how they treat people consensually. Anyway, you mentioned Al Jorgensen in that episode. Uncle Al. I would love to hear an episode on Al Jorgensen. Such an interesting person. And yeah, thanks so much. Have a great day.

[Jake Brennan]

Diana, appreciate you. Great call. Thank you so much. Al Jorgensen from Ministry is definitely on our list. He has been for a long, long, long while. I know there are a gazillion stories out there, but I'm interested in the sort of depravity and the crime, assuming there's some true crime to Al's pass. But I'm also just interested in that scene, that industrial scene, and digging more into it. There's a. There's a. It's just so rich and there's going to be a lot of vivid details. I'm sure that that spring from that research. So pumped to get into Uncle Al, as you say. Thanks for the call. Diana up there in Toronto. 617-906-6638. You guys want to call? Leave me a voicemail, send me a text. 937 texts in. Hey, must say it was genius that the tune used from the Mellotron for the Marilyn Manson episode was Winnie Cooper broke my heart. The Wonder Years tie in did not go unnoticed. Rocka Rolla Bill from the 937. Bill from the 937. I gotta say, back when I was. I was a little kid, myself and Sean Hastings up on Berdid Hill, we were crushing hard on Winnie Cooper. So obviously the Paul from Winnie Cooper rumor gave us this in. I've mentioned Winnie Cooper Pryor in episodes in the show. I don't know where back in the past somewhere. If someone hears it, write back in, let me know. 678 writes in. Hey, Jake, I think you should do a hair metal episode on whoever you dislike the most. But seriously, I think most influential of their generation is George Michael. John Joni from the 678. Joanie, thank you so much. Yikes. Who. Who do I dislike the most from the hair metal scene? That's tough. That's tough. It would probably be whoever is sort of the most. Whoever has the most lack of humor about themselves. You know what I liked about Poison? Bret Michaels aside, I like that cc. Even though I hated the band, I liked that CC Deville was in on the joke. You know, he kind of had this attitude like, I. I'm just, I just want to play guitar, man. I don't know why they got me dressed like a Q Tip. You know, like, he's got the white hair, the white sneakers. I think that dude was genuinely. I could be wrong, but I think he was genuinely like into New York Dolls, into Johnny Thunders and that's kind of what he wanted to be. But he ended up in that band. And I love that sense of humor, being able to laugh at yourself about the ridiculousness of yourself and your music. And I mean, that goes for, for the great rock and roll bands. All of them are ridiculous on some level. I mean, it's fucking rock and roll. I mean, after Spinal Tap, you know, the veil was lifted. We know what's happening. So I don't know to, to Joni's point here, if there are. If There are any hair metal bands that just are not in on the joke that took themselves very seriously, hit me up, let me know. Maybe. Maybe I'll dig into that. I don't know. I don't like being overly negative, but it is an interesting angle. Jules from the four two five UP in Seattle texts in hey, I grew up in la, and your show about the Go Gos takes me back. I was punk back then and too young for clubs, but a friend of mine knew the doorman at the Whiskey, got to see the Police when Sting was still chubby and they were all sunburned as hell. I don't recall, but I think that night at the Mask, my friend got into a fight with the singer from the Dickies. Good times. Love your shows. Love the personal recollection here. Jules, appreciate you. 617-906-6638 you want to hit me up? 617-text saying, hey, there's no way we didn't cross paths in the Pit or at Pizzeria Regina or Newbury Comics or all three. Back in the day in Harvard Square, I was neither a punk or a metalhead so much as a hard rocker who was friends with both. That's kind of like what I was. Really? I mean, yeah, really. It goes on to say the most memorable night was this metalhead with crazy long red hair named Kyle, who was first to get his hands on 1987's Garage Days re revisited before anyone else. And he unwrapped the cassette and threw it in his boombox and we all listened to it for the first time that night and we were blown away. I can remember that I wasn't there, but I had my own exact experience with Garage Days. I remember it was coming. We were all waiting for it down at City Hall Music on High street in Clinton, Mass. And I think they had the poster up before the album was even available at the store. And we were just salivating. Wanted to hear the the first taste of Metallica without Cliff Burton. And of course, Jason Newsted. What a great, great, great piece of music. Garage days 87. Damn, that was a long time ago. 617-906-6638. You guys want to hit me up on voicemail or text on anything? That's how you do it. Gonna want to hear next week your answers to the question of the week regarding Bjork and our Bjork episode, which is coming up. And that's gonna be, of course, is the Bjork Story, the emblematic story of the most obsessed fan in music History. Taylor Swift fans, if you're listening, you might have something to say about this, but check out that Bjork episode Get at me. Let me know. 617-906-6638 on the voicemail and the text machine. You can also DM me Disgracelampod. I'm active on Instagram, active on X, active on Facebook as well. If that is your chosen form of communication, I am here for it. Justin G. On Facebook writes in. Hey, poor old fatty, always getting the bum wrap. Justin's talking about our Hollywoodland episode today on Fatty Arbuckle. I'll talk about that a little bit later. In the episode, Christopher LaBella writes in. Hey, Jake, where's Van Halen part three? I can't find it. Go Go's were great. Took me right back to 1982, 84, when I was 8 to 10 years old watching them on MTV. Christopher, there is no part three on Van Halen. I think we said all there needs to be said about Van Halen. But Christopher, if you disagree, write us back and let us know, guys, at the ScracelandPod. On Facebook, on Instagram, you wanna hit me up, Let me know anything that's on your mind. I'm around. I'm here for you. I'm here for you every single week. You know that. I don't let you down. Unlike some certain sports teams I can name. But I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that in the, in the Sports, in the 30 second sports rant. Matt, give me a little ticking clock. I know you can do it. Give it to me, give it to me. Give it to me. I'm just gonna say right now, the Red Sox. The fuck with the Red Sox. Okay? This has been building. You heard it last week. It's. It's at a point where I'm. I'm almost fully bailed on the season. And again, it's the beginning of June. Okay? I bought my son a Mets hat the other day. I know Juan Soto is in a slump. I don't care. I need something to root for in Major League Baseball. And these Red Sox are beyond a disappointment. Okay, that's it. That's it. That's the sports rant. I'm going to keep it light this week. I don't want to be cynical, I don't want to be negative, but they are forcing me. They are backing me into a fucking quarter. I'll be back after this with the Hollywood Lamb Minute.

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All right, we are back. Thank you very much for sticking around with us. Hey, quick shout out to Disco Laney. Laney's a longtime listener of Disgraceland. She's in our Patreon chat and she let us know she had a proud mom moment. Let us know that her son Brandon. Congrats, Brandon. Brandon is starring in their town's production of the Million Dollar Quartet. And Brandon is playing Johnny Cash. And I just think that is Brandon's gonna be a real cool motherfucker to play Johnny Cash. So congratulations, Brandon. As Johnny Cash said to Bob Dylan before he took the stage, I say to you, go track some mud on the carpet. All right, I mentioned Patreon. Patreon is where all Access members come to chop it up with me, get a little more conversation going. In addition to that, Conversation All Access Disgraceland. All Access members also get ad free listening of Disgraceland and Hollywoodland. All right, we just added that feature this week. Plus, All Access members get one extra exclusive episode of Disgraceland per month. Our last one was on David Crosby. Not sure who the one is on this month. I should know. I should be able to tell you that. Matt. Maybe chime in here. Yeah.

[Zeth Lundy]

The next episode is on Shannon Hoon, the lead singer for 90s band Blind Melon.

[Jake Brennan]

Okay, more on Hollywoodland. Listen, exciting news. All right, first of all, for those of you who are like, what the fuck is Hollywoodland? Who is this guy? Sorry, he's talking about Disgrace Land now. He's talking about Hollywoodland. For those of you who are new here, Hollywoodland is the other podcast that I host, which is basically just like Disgraceland, but instead of music and true crime, it's Hollywood. Actors, actresses, directors, et cetera and their true crime stories. Artists like Jack Nicholson, David Lynch, John Waters, Drew Barrymore, Marilyn Monroe and a ton more. This week we're talking about Roscoe, Fatty Arabuckle in the Crime of the Century. And guys, here's the news. We just launched our wrap party bonus episodes in the Hollywoodland feed, which is me and my guy Zeth Lundy, who has worked for and with Double Elvis for years as a showrunner and a writer and who wrote most of the Hollywoodland episodes. Wrap party is Seth hosting and I'm in there as his co host and we're cutting up that week's subject. We're getting into our recommendations over there, what we're watching, what we're reading, what we're listening to, all inspired by that week's Hollywoodland episode. Okay, we're also also taking your calls and voicemails over in the wrap party as well. So now you have a hundred percent more chance of hearing yourself in one of our podcast wrap party episodes. They're coming out every week, every Wednesday. There's one available right now. Go check it out after this. The wrap party episodes come out on Wednesdays after our full Hollywoodland episodes on Monday. If you are not subscribed or following, please search Hollywoodland wherever you get your podcasts. Like subscribe and follow. Here's a clip from our most recent wrap party episode.

[Zeth Lundy]

This part of the wrap party is all about recommendations, music and movie recommendations, but they are recommendations inspired by the actor, actress or director, whoever we're covering this week in our full episode of Hollywoodland. So Fatty Arbuckle being this week's subject and looking ahead to next week's, subject, John Belushi. We've got big dudes on the brain. So to that end, Jake, I need some big dude music wrecks. What do you got?

[Jake Brennan]

John Belushi. Made me think about Blues Brothers. Made me think about John Lee Hooker. Made me think about this song I'm obsessed with by John Lee Hooker called Grinder Man. Oh, great song. Which. Yes. Which, to me, it's the sound of violence. And you wouldn't know so from the lyrics. The lyrics are about a baseball player, but it's a double entendre for sex, and it just sounds so fucking mean. It was recorded for the Stacks label, which doesn't make a lot of sense for John Lee Hooker, but somehow it

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all works when it comes to movies. I was thinking about big dudes in movies, big funny dudes in movies, which is obviously a long list. John Goodman, who's been in a billion movies. I know. But my John Goodman recommendation is this movie called Barton Fink from 1991, directed by Joel and Ethan Coen, two of the greatest to ever do it. Barton Fink is really. It's unlike any other movie. It's strange, it's horrifying, it's funny. And if you're a creative person, if you write or you paint or you make music or whatever, it will hit you hard because it's about this playwright named Barton Fink, played by John Chicharro, who moves from New York to Los Angeles in 1941 in order to write scripts for Hollywood. So he's basically taking. He's going from this brainy, arty playwright to being a paid screenwriter in Hollywood to write schlock, right? And then there's this sweaty, intense as fuck performance by John Goodman, a guy who isn't what he says he is. And all I gotta say is that once you see this, there's this one scene with him running down this hallway of a hotel and it's. The whole thing is on fire and he's screaming, you will never be able to look at John Goodman the same way twice.

[Jake Brennan]

All right, I've never seen that. I've never seen Barton Fink. I need to break this out. It's gonna take your recommendation. All right, guys, like I said, make sure you are subscribed to Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. Next week, we get an episode on the one and only John Belushi. So make sure, like I said, you're subscribed following however they term it in whatever podcast app you guys use. All right? Disgraceampodmail.com you want to send me an email on any subject? All right. This email comes from a fellow by the name of Ed Trask. Subject the Go Go's message the presentation of the Go Go's coming out of a West coast punk rock scene layered in historic drudge and creative prowess, writing their own songs and landing into pop music history was well done. But I love the idea that there are plenty of all girl punk rock bands that wrote their own songs and in their eyes succeeded in changing and influencing punk, punk and rock bands that I toured with or watched and loved. Examples being L7, bikini kill, Luna chick, seven year babes, in Toyland, Pussy Riot, Bratmobile, Shonen Knife, to name a few. These bands obviously never had the pop cultural impact and success of the Go Go's, but had plenty of stories of grit, will and talent which helped them fight to become successful touring bands. The question being, what actually is success? Especially after the Nirvana major label Feeding Frenzy. Were you a successful band because you had two records on labels like Discord or Touch and Go, or were you a success when you signed a major label deal? Cheers, Ed Trask804 Ed, the answer to your question is the latter. Sorry, the former. You were a success. Yeah. If you were on Discord Records or Touch and Go and you had a couple records out and you were out there torn and playing to people in different cities who, who were coming to see you and paying tickets to see you beyond your immediate region of local fans, I say that's a success. I say success is. Can you, can you fill a club, a reasonable sized club in a bunch of different cities outside of your own and sustain yourself as a musician. That to me is a success. Now of course that's going to change for the musician as they get older and as they try to do different things and they have different goals, all that stuff. Obviously I don't think you. You're saying that I. That I was saying that the Go Go's were a success because they were a major label band and had a number one record. And that's not what I was saying. They were of course a success. They were the biggest success with that number one album. That was my point. Number one success of all girl groups with that number one album. The bands you mentioned, a bunch of them I actually had the opportunity to see and play with back in the 90s and they were phenomenal. I saw L7 played with L7 actually. Bikini Kill played with the Lunatics a couple times. I think I played with 7 year bitch. Saw babes in Toyland. Never saw Pussy Riot or Bratmobile. Saw Shonen Knife. Just incredible bands, incredible time in history for females in music. Doing it in the punk world, in the underground, it was. I don't know. I don't know if there'll be another time like it. Hard for me to put my finger on what made it so special here on the spot, but it's something that I want to delve into. You've compelled me. Ed trask in the 804. I appreciate the email, guys. If you haven't heard those bands, Luna Chicks, Shonen Knife, Seven Year Bitch, Babes in Toyland, et cetera, go check them out. All right, guys, you want to support the show, head over to Apple Podcasts, head over to Spotify. Leave a review for the show, all right? Say something positive. If you're new here and you like what you hear, leave a review, share the show with a friend. Every week I review review here from Apple Spotify, from a listener listener reviews. And I if you hear your review here on the podcast, hit me up, email, text, dm, whatever, and I'll get you a little something special in the mail because I appreciate you. And you know, it's, it's, it's a necessity. The reviews, the reviews help the show grow. They help discovery, they help other people find it. They, they help the algorithm force it out. Ed Mesa517 writes, the only reason I listen to podcasts, five stars. What can I say? I've been listening to the Disgraceland Pod since its beginning. I've turned many friends and anyone that'll listen on to this podcast. The wide variety of artists from many different genres is what makes this podcast a great listen at any time. Rocka Rolla Ed, thank you so much my friend. I appreciate you. Chastity Danette over on Spotify writes, hey, this is in relation to the Marilyn Manson episode. Great episode. Saw Sober Manson perform at welcome to Rockville last month and it was truly one of the best performances of the entire festival. So there you go. Manson is sober. Thanks for the reviews. Get in touch. I'll get you guys something in the mail. This episode is nearing its end, everybody, but actually it's not nearing its end for everybody. For those of you who are All Access members, you're going to get a little bit more of the bonus episode here. Going to be talking about. We were talking about the most subversive bands from the 90s. I'm going to talk about some of the worst bands from the 90s. And again, I don't like to be negative, but I'm looking at some past rock journalism and I'm going to bring you a list and we're going to get into it here in the exclusive section of this after party. Worst bands from the 90s. You guys want to become a member? You want to get in on this conversation? Want to get in on the conversation with me on the Patreon Chat? You want that ad free listening experience? You want an extra episode per month? Just go to Disgracelandpod.com membership, five bucks a month. It's all cost. You can become a member. You can support the show. We appreciate it. And you're going to get a ton more content. All right, we are back. And if you weren't part of that conversation we just had in the bonus afterparty section here of this episode, you missed out on some good convo about the worst bands of the 90s. And I, I was throwing a heater there. I was, I had a lather worked up. I was into it real quick here. Let's just dig into a mention, I should say a couple of the artists from our archive who were discussed in this episode. Who we have episodes on who you guys can go check out. And if you're interested in any of these subjects, just check the show notes. Matt Bowden will have the show and episode information there for you, so you can easily find them in our archive. We talked about Sean Diddy Combs got two episodes on Sean Combs. We will have more in the future. We talked about James Brown and again, the archive is just stuffed with so many artists. Willie Nelson, Cardi B, the Beatles. We've got nine episodes on the Beatles, Nipsey Hussle, the Grateful Dead. It's really truly endless. So just dive in, check stuff out. Get at me if you have any questions. 617-906-6638 voicemail and text Disgracelandpod on the socials and I'll get back to you with my answers on those episodes. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one, my other podcast, Hollywoodland, is alive and kicking over in the Hollywoodland feed. So make sure you you are subscribed and following Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. And check out our recent episode on Fatty Arbuckle right now in your Disgraceland feed. Our episode on Marilyn Manson Number three coming tomorrow and Saturday, our rewind episodes on the Stones at Altamont and the Stones in Exile. And next Tuesday, our brand new episode on Bjork. More 90s madness Bjork, Bjork, Bjork. Number four merch winners get in touch. You know who you are. Number five Remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and rol more than you do. And, well, that is a disgrace. All right, in honor of this week's subject, Marilyn Manson, this is me reading you the Billboard charts of number one songs for the day. Manson's album Antichrist Superstar was released in Forever. Redefine what subversion means for pop music. That was on October 8, 1996. Here you go. Number 1 Macarena Los Del Rio Last Week 1 Peak Position 1 Weeks on Chart 43 Number 2 I love you always forever Donna Lewis Last Week 2 Peak Position 2 Weeks on Chart 17 Number 3 It's all coming back to me now Celine Dion Last Week 3 Peak Position Weeks on Chart Number 4 Twisted Keith Sweat Last Week 4 Key Positions 2 Weeks on Charm 17 Number 5 Where do you go? No mercy. Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it.

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