Bonus Episode: Suppressing the Truth, A Brother Under the Bus, and Profit as Virtue

Summary

DISGRACELAND: Bonus Episode – Suppressing the Truth, A Brother Under the Bus, and Profit as Virtue

Date: June 6, 2024
Host: Jake Brennan
Podcast: DISGRACELAND by Double Elvis Productions

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Overview:

This bonus "After Party" episode finds Jake Brennan reflecting on the power struggles over truth in music history, the mechanisms of media suppression, and the price of storytelling in the corporate age. Centered around the latest revelatory R. Kelly episode, Jake connects the dots between controversial stories, the gatekeepers of information (social platforms and media corporations), and the uphill battle in getting authentic, uncomfortable narratives into public discourse. The episode features listener interaction and behind-the-scenes insights into sourcing and researching Disgraceland's episodes.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Cost and Necessity of Telling Uncomfortable Truths

[04:36]
Jake kicks off by explaining how researching (and promoting) darker episodes like those about R. Kelly and Diddy is emotionally draining. He contrasts this with his current work on Tom DeLonge from Blink-182—someone devoted to uncovering hidden truths (UFO disclosure), often to his own detriment:

• "He has dedicated his life to finding and delivering the truth—at great expense, personal expense, and professional to him." (Jake Brennan, 05:07)

Jake observes that the suppression of truth is both overt (government secrecy, as in DeLonge's UFO interests) and deeply systemic, driven by commercial incentives within media giants:

• "There's a much more sinister mechanism of suppressing the truth. It's systemic." (Jake Brennan, 05:39)
• Corporate media (e.g., Meta/Instagram) claim to provide "safe platforms" but are actually maximizing profit by avoiding controversial or uncomfortable content.
• Algorithms and automated censorship (like Instagram "jail") punish creators who challenge boundaries, even for content with clear satirical intent.

Notable Example: Jake describes posting a serial killer mugshot (Dahmer, then Manson) for podcast promotion and being instantly "shadowbanned":

• "I was flagged by Instagram within seconds and thrown in Instagram jail..." (Jake Brennan, 07:05)
• "The result isn't just that I didn't get to post a photo of Charles Manson. The result is that the truth is prevented from coming out." (Jake Brennan, 09:17)

Jake exposes the irony: platforms claim to act for "community safety" while defending profit-driven censorship, ultimately stifling important stories.

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2. Why Truth-telling in Media Matters—Historical Perspective

[10:12]
Jake builds his argument with historical precedents:

• References to Tom O’Neill’s "CHAOS", a book that disrupts the accepted narratives around Charles Manson (tying it to Disgraceland’s own research methods and mission).
• Cites how mainstream “truths” (e.g., JFK’s single-bullet theory) survived for decades before persistent claims by “subversives” (like Oliver Stone, Jerry Seinfeld, Glenn Danzig) forced public reconsideration:
  • "It took Oliver Stone, Jerry Seinfeld, Glenn Danzig and countless other like minded subversives to beat the drum of the truth while being called conspiracy theorists..." (Jake Brennan, 10:50)
• Warns that unchecked systemic censorship leads to a future where even basic facts are erased or altered by gatekeeping algorithms—“200 years from now people will be believing that John F. Kennedy died of a headache if we aren't careful.” (Jake Brennan, 11:39)

Jake’s tone is urgent, raw, and a bit sardonic, invoking punk rock anti-establishment attitudes:

• "We’re living in the corporate media hellscape that the punk rockers in the 1980s warned us about. And no one seems to care. That's not true. I care. You care. That's why you're here. This is what we do." (Jake Brennan, 12:00)

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3. Validation and Recognition

[12:52]
A highlight: Rick Rubin, noted producer, discussing the Disgraceland Manson episode on his Tetragrammaton podcast with author Tom O’Neill:

• "Did you hear the Disgraceland podcast episode about Manson? It's a cool podcast, and there's a story about what was happening at the Tate house that's much different than the story that we know..." (Rick Rubin, paraphrased by Jake Brennan, 13:00)
• Tom O’Neill, later, tells Jake: "The episode was great stuff." (Jake Brennan, 13:40)

Jake contrasts industry accolades with Instagram’s automated censorship:

• “If me talking about Charles Manson is good enough for Tom O’Neill, Rick Rubin, why isn't it good enough for Instagram? Fuck profit. Fuck inconvenient facts." (Jake Brennan, 14:14)

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4. R. Kelly – Sourcing, Silenced Stories, and Complicity

[19:59]
Jake turns to Disgraceland's episode on R. Kelly, detailing the painstaking sourcing and the walls constructed by R. Kelly’s team and enabling institutions:

• Vibe (1994) and GQ (2016) profiles reveal Kelly’s extreme control tactics: “The writer’s given strict instructions to not get out her tape recorder, to not take out her pen, her paper, not to write anything down, not to even ask any questions. R. Kelly's having his photos taken... the writer's right there. She asks R. Kelly how he's doing, and no response. And immediately she gets this look from his personal manager that shuts it down.” (Jake Brennan, 21:21)
• BuzzFeed’s 2017 exposé ("Parents told police their daughter is being held against her will in R. Kelly’s cult") triggered a mainstream reappraisal, followed by the "Surviving R. Kelly" documentary.
• Cites investigative reporter Jim DeRogatis as instrumental, whose work led to Kelly’s eventual downfall after two decades of media silence and institutional complicity.

Jake emphasizes that widespread, repeated truth-telling is what finally “compounds” and breaks institutional silence.

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5. Listener Interaction & Music Villains

[24:56]
Jake takes voicemails and texts on listener experiences (mostly about past artists like Bob Dylan and Tom Petty), but redirects the focus to this week’s question: who is the greatest villain in the history of music? He restricts it to musicians to focus on the music world (and not the likes of Cosby/Weinstein):

• "Is R. Kelly the most evil villain in the history of music? That's our question for this week." (Jake Brennan, 23:33)
• Invites community interaction: “617-906-6638. Let me know.”

Key listener comments:

• Voicemail from Mike in the 508 about a Dylan show (“one of the best concerts I’ve ever been to”).
• Texts about music myths (calling out the Richard Gere gerbil rumor), Dylan as an unreliable narrator, and references to The Band.
• Jake keeps tone playful, appreciative, and encourages more engagement.

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6. Membership Perks & Unreleased Stories

[32:41]
Jake teases more exclusive Disgraceland content for All Access members, including a wild R. Kelly legal strategy story involving alleged bribery and shifting blame, plus exclusive episodes and book club access.

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7. Jake’s Signature Dead Rock Star Phone Book (Improv Segment)

[35:20]
When his usual Billboard chart reading segment is disrupted, Jake improvises, rattling off a tongue-in-cheek "phone book" for deceased musicians (e.g., Hendrix, Cobain, Otis Redding, John Bonham, Hank, Euronymous).
Tone: Playful, irreverent, signature Jake Brennan.

• “Hendrix, James, Purple Haze Avenue... Cobain, Kurt, Aberdeen, Washington... Bonham, John, Alcoholics Anonymous…” (Jake Brennan, 35:24)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “When we use systemic censorship that puts profit over the truth, then we as a society are ultimately fucked in the long run.” (Jake Brennan, 11:19)
• "True stories... need to be told by as many people as possible for the public to accept them as being the actual truth." (Jake Brennan, 09:41)
• "Those true but stranger than fiction stories are what make history so damn entertaining. The dark side of Entertainment. Disgraceland." (Jake Brennan, 14:50)
• Rick Rubin: “Did you hear the Disgraceland podcast episode about Manson?... there’s a story about what was happening at the Tate house that’s much different than the story that we know…” (as recounted by Jake, 13:00)
• Tom O’Neill (via Jake): “The episode was great stuff.” (13:40)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:15 — Episode premise/set-up, Disgraceland meta-commentary, Tom DeLonge & truth
• 05:39 — Corporate censorship, Instagram jail, absurdity of algorithmic controls
• 09:17 — Censorship as profit, not virtue; the dangers of buried truths
• 10:50 — The JFK narrative and the long-term effects of persistent myth
• 12:52 — Rick Rubin & Tom O’Neill discuss Disgraceland’s Manson episode
• 14:14 — Declaration: “Fuck profit. Fuck inconvenient facts.”
• 19:59 — R. Kelly episode sources & research, journalistic obstacles
• 21:21 — R. Kelly media control tactics (Vibe, GQ, BuzzFeed, Jim DeRogatis)
• 23:33 — Listener interaction, “Who is music’s biggest villain?”
• 24:56 — Reading of voicemails, texts, music myth-busting
• 32:41 — Teaser for All Access exclusive content and book club
• 35:20 — Improvised ‘dead rock stars phone book’

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Language/Tone: Unfiltered, passionate, conspiratorial, sardonic, with streaks of playfulness and irreverence.
• Themes: The fight against sanitized narratives. The costs and necessity of truth-telling. How corporate interests and automated algorithms suppress and reshape music history and its outcasts. The role of persistence and numbers in breaking through dominant narratives.
• Listener Value:
  • Inside stories on how controversial episodes get made and the roadblocks faced by creators.
  • A behind-the-curtain look at music history’s most notorious figures (with an eye toward systemic complicity and cowardice).
  • A call to arms for engagement, skepticism, and keeping subversive stories alive.

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End note:
Disgraceland’s bonus “After Party” episode is both a rallying cry for dangerous storytellers and a backstage pass into fighting for the raw, complicated truth behind the most outrageous stories in music history.

Transcript

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hey Discos. You can listen to an extended version of this after party episode by becoming a member of Disgraceland All Access. Just go to Disgracelandpod.com membership for more details and to sign up. Hey guys. Welcome to Disgraceland, which is brought to you by Double Elvis. This week we have a brand new episode on R. Kelly that's in our Disgraceland feed and for our All Access members in our Patreon and Apple subscription feeds. If you haven't heard our recent episode on Chris Cornell, you can check that out now. That's available for you over there. Make sure you're all signed up for our All Access content either on Apple Podcasts or on Patreon to hear that episode along with other exclusive episodes and content. And over in the feed for Musicland Stor. That's the fiction show for kids and families that my company Double Elvis produces in partnership with Starglow Media. We just launched season three, our evergreen season which takes place in the jungle. Search up Musicland stories and give that a follow if you have not already. Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life. Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the Aftermath Party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace scent to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt on this bonus episode, we are talking about our brand new episode on R. Kelly. The sources that we used for this episode which helped us uncover a wild story about R. Kelly's legal strategy that we were unable to use in this full episode. We're also talking about the truth, why it matters, and how we get to it in this day and age. We're talking about Rick Ruby, Ruben as well. You're going to want to hear that. And of course, we've got your voicemails, texts and more. And as always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, discos, let's get into it. All right, guys. I'm writing this week about Tom DeLonge from Blink 182, and I'm trying not to think about R. Kelly. I don't want to think about R. Kelly. I don't want to think about Diddy. I got to get my head out of this, out of the abuse, out of the darkness. The Tom DeLonge thing is inspiring in a lot of ways. You'll find out in a couple months when we release this episode what I'm talking about. One of the things you'll find out, of course, is that he has dedicated his life to finding and delivering the truth at great expense, personal expense, and professional to him. You're also going to find that there are very powerful people in the world who are dedicated to you never hearing the truth. In the case of Tom DeLonge and disclosure around UFOs and UAPs, the suppression of truth is overt, but in other ways. As I humbly continue my journey writing and making podcasts and telling stories based on the open source research that me and my team do here, what I'm finding is that there's a much more sinister mechanism of suppressing the truth. It's systemic. When we live in a world where a handful of corporations control our media, it becomes very easy for them to develop mechanisms or systems that keep certain stories buried and perpetuate narratives, versions of the truth, if you will, that are much more acceptable. And frankly, as a content creator, as a storyteller, it's fucking maddening. Here's what I mean. Instagram, or Meta, their parent company, rather, is hell bent on providing a quote unquote safe platform where everyone feels welcome. Now, on its face, who doesn't want that? It sounds great. However, it's a crock. What they really want is the biggest network possible, with the most amount of people using it for as long as possible so that they can maximize their revenue, ad revenue. The safer the platform, the more people use it, the bigger the audience they get and the more profit they generate. Instagram, YouTube, even X to some extent, all have some version of this where they compel you to play by their rules. And when it comes to stores, storytelling, that means coloring within the lines Again, at face value, this sounds like a good thing, but here's an example of where this quickly goes off the rails. Remember the Garth Brooks episode that we made and released a couple of months ago where we had fun with the conspiracy theory that Garth is a serial killer, where we were obviously tongue in cheek about it? In promoting that podcast episode on Instagram, I shared a photo on my stories of Jeffrey Dahmer. Not text. There was no context. I was intending to post a series of serial killer mugshots and cheekily end on an image of Garth with a question mark. But as soon as I posted that Jeffrey Dahmer photo, again, just the mugshot, I was flagged by Instagram within seconds and thrown in Instagram jail, which means that none of my posts reach anyone outside of my followers. So if you're not following me on Instagram, you're never going to see anything that I post. It's never going to come up in your feed, which is fucking ridiculous. Part of the reason that I commit to creating content on Instagram with my own money, by the way, is to reach people who don't yet know about Disgraceland. Instagram doesn't pay me. And even if I was monetizing my Instagram content, another one of the penalties for posting that Dahmer image is demonetization. Now I remain in Instagram jail because some AI censorship system caught a Dahmer image it was prompted to recognize and threw me in the who's cow? This is the second time this has happened to me, and frankly, I should have known better. Okay, the last time was in 2020, when I posted an image of Charles Manson to promote the Manson episode of Disgraceand that we released. Now, this instance was worse because it took me about a year for me to even realize that I was being shadow banned. And the explanation that I got from Instagram was that I was promoting a cult by posting an image of Charles Manson to promote my damn podcast. Do you realize how fucking dumb this is? Believe me, I realize how stupid it sounds. And I promise you that I'm not just complaining here and that I'm leading up to something. And here it is. Here's the point. Here's the truth of it. Key emphasis on the word truth. Instagram will tell you that it's out of an abundance of caution that they censor such posts so that the community remains safe for all, which is utter bullshit. Tell me how mugshot photos of Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer are harmful to the community. You can't. This is about profit Increasing their profit margin by disguising their efforts as virtue. Now, the result, in my case, in the case of the Manson photo, anyway, the result isn't just that I didn't get to post a photo of Charles Manson. The result is that the truth is prevented from coming out. Because in that episode that we produced on Charles Manson, that's exactly what we tell, the truth. Our story directly refutes the accepted historical narrative put forth by Vincent Bugliosi and Helter Skelter. And our story is based on facts, not facts that I uncovered. Again, we do open source research here. We are not journalists, we are storytellers. For that episode. Our facts came from, among other sources, Tom o' Neill's Chaos. A book he spent in decades researching. A book that he quite literally ruined his life while making, because he was making it. A book that provides a detailed account of endless sources that completely disrupt what the public believes to be the truth about Charles Manson and the Tate LaBianca murders. Now, I'm not trying to aggrandize myself or what we do here, but true stories and need to be told by as many people as possible for the public to accept them as being the actual truth. Okay, remember when the majority of Americans believed that John F. Kennedy was killed because of the so called truth, the single bullet theory. That belief lasted 30 some odd years. It took Oliver Stone, Jerry Seinfeld, Glenn Danzig and countless other like minded subversives to beat the drum of the truth while being called conspiracy theorists the entire time. Until finally we've arrived where we are now. Which is that nobod who has paid any attention whatsoever actually believes that Kennedy was killed by a single bullet from a single gunman. So now when we use systemic censorship that puts profit over the truth, then we as a society are ultimately fucked in the long run. 200 years from now people will be believing that John F. Kennedy died of a headache if we aren't careful. Because showing what happened on Dealey Plaza will be too triggering. Guys, we are living in the corporate media hellscape that the punk rockers in the 1980s warned us about. And no one seems to care. That's not true. I care. You care. That's why you're here. This is what we do. This is what we are going to continue to do. To bring you the stories that they do not want you to hear. I don't know how, but I'm hell bent on fighting for it. The truth is just more interesting. And I'm not the only one who thinks that way. And the Irony of all ironies. Here's Rick Rubin on his podcast Tetragrammaton, last week talking to Tom o', Neill, author of the book I Just mentioned, Charles the C in the Secret history of the 60s. Here's Rick Rubin talking to that Tom O' Neill about Disgraceland. Did you hear the Disgraceland podcast episode about Manson? It's a cool podcast, and there's a story about what was happening at the Tate house that's much different than the story that we know involved kind of ritual crazy stuff. What's interesting is if they're saying that happened when Roman was leasing it, he and Sharon moved in the very last day of February or first week of March, and then by the fourth week of March, he went off to London to begin working on an adaptation of Day of the Dolphin that he wanted to direct. And I do write about. I wonder if. How long ago was the podcast? Like in the last couple years. Last couple of years. It's really interesting. You'll like it. Oh, no. I'm gonna find it. Yeah. Mind blowing. Okay. I'm not going to get into. I did this whole thing on Instagram about how this blew my mind. You can check it out. Okay. But since that went up and since I heard about it, I've since spoken to Tom o' Neill about this, about what they're talking about here. Okay. And Tom has since listened to the Manson episode that Rick is telling him about here that I was talking about earlier that same episode, and Tom told me the episode was great stuff. So if me talking about Charles Manson is good enough for Tom o', Neill, Rick Rubin, why isn't it good enough for Instagram? Fuck profit. Fuck inconvenient facts. We here at Disgraceland are going to continue bringing you the stories they don't, for whatever reason, that they don't want you to hear. The dark stuff, R. Kelly and Michael Jackson, the weird stuff, Tommy James and Gerald Ford, the fun stuff, Iggy Pop and David Bowie and Starsky and fucking Hutch. Those true but stranger than fiction stories are what make history so damn entertaining. The dark side of Entertainment. Disgraceland. I'll be back in a flash.

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All right, we are back. I got to tell you guys, if you're hearing this episode on the day that it is released, Thursday, June 6th, if you get it in time, we're doing this little virtual meetup tonight. It's the first meeting of our Disgraceland Book Club. We are discussing the book the Talented Mr. Ripley by Patricia Highsmith. I'm very excited about this. If you want to join, you're going to be able to find the link in the bio on our Instagram page. If you're on Patreon, I've been talking about it on there. You can get it there in the chat. It's probably very easy to get to. If you just go to my Instagram disgracelandpod right now, you can find that link to sign up and gain access. It's going to be 8:30 Eastern Standard Time, Thursday, June 6th. We're discussing the Talented Mr. Ripley by Patricia Highsmith. If you haven't read the book, who cares? You just want to get in here and hang out and talk about it. Maybe you saw the movie, Maybe you're watching the new Ripley on Netflix. You can join as well. I've been reading so much lately, I'm really on this Fiction kick. And the book club is, I think it's going to be a mechanism for me to keep my head in the books that aren't Disgraceland research. And that's exciting to me. I hope you can join. All right, so please get in here with us. And if you miss it, for whatever reason, we're going to be doing these every month. All right, so that's the Disgraceland Book Club. Now let's talk about some other books, some other sources that we use for this R. Kelly episode. First of all, there's the official court documents, tons of profiles and interviews from the publications out there that were written as well while all this fucked up shit was going down. There's articles in Vive, there's articles in G Cube. There's a Vive article for one, which was published back in December 1994, all the way back in 94, shortly after R. Kelly had entered into the illegal marriage with the underage Aaliyah. At this time, no one knew that R. Kelly had paid off a state employee to get Aaliyah a fake ID that falsified her birth date and made her appear older. But the rumors were already out there. And this Vibe article gets into those rumors. But the funny thing about the article is, you know, even, you know, when the writer is with R. Kelly, the writer's given strict instructions to not get out her tape recorder, to not take out her pen, her paper, not to write anything down, not to even ask any questions. R. Kelly's having his photos taken for this Vibe magazine profile. And the writer's right there. And she asks R. Kelly how he's doing, and no response. And immediately she gets this look from his personal manager that shuts it down. Just fucking. I don't know what that tells you, but tells me a lot. The GQ interview from some years later, 2016, after his acquittal on child pornography charges. And it is a wild interview. It's combative at times. R. Kelly's whole attitude is like, well, if they said I'm not guilty, then I'm not guilty. Even though the jurors who acquitted him, most of them said that they were pretty sure that was R. Kelly in the tapes at the center of the trial. So there's that. You want to check that GQ article out, Go back. You want to put your head into this stuff even more, so you can. It's a wormhole that's hard to get out of. I'm warning you right now. There's also the blockbuster Buzzfeed report from 2017. The title of which was, parents told police Their Daughter is being held against her will in R. Kelly's Cult. That article, I remember when that was released, blew the doors of open for articles in places like the Washington Post. This TV special, surviving R. Kelly. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about that I was talking about in that other block earlier. You have to have a preponderance of people, of writers saying, this is the truth. This is what happened before. It's like it's compounding. And that's what happens here. The buzzfeed article comes out, then the Washington Post article comes out, then the TV special surviving R. Kelly comes out. Okay? People are done turning their blind eye at the official narrative of the time, which was R. Kelly's okay, he beat the rap. He's okay. Nothing really to see here. Bullshit, okay? I'm talking about record labels, managers, personal assistants, roadies, gophers, runners, entourage, lawyers, okay? All of them. The more the truth comes out, the easier it is for everybody to admit. And that buzzfeed report was written by Jim Derrigodis, once. The longtime music critic for the Chicago Sun Times also wrote an article for that paper way back in 2000 that brought up the allegations that R. Kelly was having sex with teenage girls. Accusations that R. Kelly denied. Jim received anonymous letters and a videotape which he called the worst thing I have ever had to witness in my life, which he turned into the police. And Jim ended up writing the definitive book about this, the Case Against R. Kelly, which he published after 19 years of research. All of these sources helped us put together this week's episode. I want to hear your thoughts. What did you think about the episode? Is R. Kelly the most evil villain in the history of music? That's our question for this week. Who is it? Who is the biggest creep in the history of not entertainment, but in the history of music? Let's just keep it to music, because I don't want to open this up to the Bill Cosby's and the Harvey Weinsteins and all that. Let's keep it to music. Is R. Kelly the absolute biggest villain that music history has ever produced for us? 617-906-6638. Let me know. Let's do a couple voicemails and texts right now. 617-906-6638 is of course how you leave me a voicemail, how you call me, how you send me a text. Just like Mike and the 508. Hey, Jake, this is Mike from the 508 so I just want to say love the episode on Dylan. My experience is when I went to a Dylan concert in 97 when he was touring for Time out of Mind and apparently opening for him was Natalie Merchant, who is my big celebrity crush. So that I think was one of the best concerts I've ever been to. Anyway, love the show. Rock and Roll. Bye. Thanks for the call, Mike. Mike I didn't see Dylan back then. I love that record, though. I love that Time out of Mind album. I saw Dylan a little earlier than that actually, and I got the full Dylan treatment. It was roug. It was rough and I didn't get it. And I have since seen him a couple times. Saw him later. I saw him I don't know, maybe like O5 0 6, something like that, with the Raconteurs, Jack White's band opening up at BU. That was fun. I was ready for it then. But yeah, Dylan confounding as always. Appreciate the voicemail MIC in the 508. You guys can text me as well as leave voicemail. 617-906-6638 hey, we were talking about celebrity myths last week and put up the call out 617-906-6638 for you guys to let me know which myths, which storytelling you're calling bullshit on. 814 writes in I call bullshit on the Richard Gere gerbil rumor from decades ago. Gosh, I'm not even gonna repeat what that is. 612 writes in hey Jake, I liked your description of Dylan as an unreliable narrator and is in on the joke. Have you seen the Rolling Thunder Review? Great film. And Dylan plays. It's hilarious. I have seen it. I love it. If you guys don't know what the 612 is talking about, it's a movie that came out on Netflix probably about five, six years ago called the Rolling Thunder Review, and it's about that tour that Dylan did in the 70s. Highly recommend checking that out. 904 writes in hey Jake Spencer here from the 904. Just going to say I love the Dylan episode and I love that you use Testimony as a source. It's one of my favorite books ever. I'm a huge Dylan and a huge the Band fan, and I reread it about once a year and always catch something I miss before on the same subject. You should check out the song the Last Hawk by Shovels and Rope. It's sort of an homage to the band, mainly Garth and Dylan. Also probably too late for good covers, but I heard you talk about Tom Petty and I also got to see him on the last tour and feel so lucky. His cover of Cry to Me from the Mud Crutch Days is one of my favorite covers. Keep up the good work. You got it. 617-906-6638 Appreciate the text, appreciate the calls. Hit me up Week's question who's the biggest villain that the music industry has ever produced? Is it R. Kelly? Is it somebody else? 617-906-6638 I'll be back in a flash.

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All right, we are back and as I mentioned at the top of the show we got this wild story about one of the legal strategies R. Kelly used, a strategy that nearly destroyed someone else's life and may have involved some serious, serious bribery. But again, you guys know the drill. You want to hear this story? You're going to have to become a member of Disgraceland All Access. Here's how it works. Just go to Disgracelandpod.com membership and for five bucks a month and less, if you sign up for an annual membership, you will get exclusive weekly bonus content, like the extended version of this here after party that I'm talking about right now. Plus, you're going to get an exclusive scripted episode every month, like the Chris Cornell episode that we released at the end of May. And then we've got a Waylon Jennings episode coming in a few weeks. Okay? That's also going to be exclusive only for All Access members. You can listen to all of it and every single episode of Disgraceland in our archive, absolutely ad free. You can sign up either using Apple Podcasts or Patreon. And if you choose Patreon, you're going to get immediate access to our members Only chat, which is always on. It's where I'm talking to all you discos. As much as I can, as much as possible. I'm in there every day. That's where these ideas come up, like the book club. So get in there. Disgracelandpod.com membership. Get in here with us. All right, back in the flash. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one, there's more after party to listen to right now. All you got to do is go to Disgracelandpod.com membership and sign up to become an All Access member. But if that ain't your bag, the number two right now in your feed, this week's brand new episode on r. Kelly. Number three, coming tomorrow, a rewind episode on Lisa Lefta Lopez. 4. Next week in the Disgraceland feed, a brand new episode on Jose Canseco. Number five, my number, 617-906-6638. Call me on the telephone like Debbie Harry or text me. Number six, remember, no one cares about these stories more than you do. And, well, that's a disgrace. You know what else is a disgrace? I'm gonna tell you what's a disgrace. There's no phone book link in here for me to read for you guys this week. So I can't do it. So what am I going to do? I got no Billboard charts either. I can't read that to you either. So what am I going to do? What am I going to do? I'm just going to wing it here. I'm going to wing it because I don't want to have to get out of the booth. Go on the Internet, look some shit up. Come back in here. I'm going to read to you a dead rock stars phone book off the top of my head going right now. Here we go Hendrix, James Purple Haze Avenue 64578 Cobain, Kurt Aberdeen, Washington 73256 Reading Otis Bottom of the Lake 543251 Bonham, John Alcoholics Anonymous 72547 Little Peep the Corner of Emo Too Many Pills 54961 Hank Euronimous Norway 7254 John Hendrix 42 Williams Quit Talking and Start Mixing. Cut It

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