Bonus Episode: The Culture Changed Every Ten Years… Until It Didn’t

Summary

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DISGRACELAND: Bonus Episode – The Culture Changed Every Ten Years… Until It Didn’t

Podcast: DISGRACELAND
Host: Jake Brennan (Double Elvis Productions)
Date: August 7, 2025
Episode Type: Bonus (Afterparty) Episode

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Episode Overview

This bonus “Afterparty” episode sees host Jake Brennan riffing on a core question: why did mainstream culture experience such seismic shifts every ten years—musically, stylistically, and socially—from the 1950s through the 1990s, but not since? Brennan draws from personal anecdotes spanning his Gen X upbringing and pop culture history to examine how corporatization and the Internet have dulled the creative risk-taking that once defined and regularly redefined culture. He connects this theme to listener interaction, commentary on recent and upcoming Disgraceland episodes, and a spirited digression into baseball, coffee, and Hollywoodland. Throughout, Brennan challenges listeners to reflect on their role in keeping buried stories alive.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Decade-by-Decade Culture Shift… and Its Sudden Stop

Timestamp: [03:07–13:54]

• Brennan’s Gen X Credentials:

  • “I went to grade school in the 1980s. My high school career started in the late 80s and ended in the early 90s. I went to college in the 90s as well. So I'm kind of—I'm both an 80s and a 90s kid. These are two different things.” ([03:45])

• Decade Jumps in Culture:

  • Vividly compares how the 80s and 90s (fashion, music, movies, books) were “entirely different worlds,” much like the 50s/60s, 60s/70s, and 70s/80s.
  • “We went from Simple Minds to, oh well, whatever, nevermind. From Day Glo to Flannel, from clever raps by sitcom dads to Drive by Shootings, from Pretty in Pink to Pulp Fiction…” ([04:09])

• Sudden Stasis (Post-2000):

  • Pinpoints a halt to this ten-year “reset” after the turn of the millennium:

    “What’s so different about 2011 from 2001? Not much, especially when you compare it to the difference between 1991 and 1981.” ([05:35])
    “Here in 2025, it doesn’t feel all that much different from 2015.” ([05:40])

The Culprits: Internet, Niche-Fication, and Corporatization

• The Loss of “Monoculture”:

  • The internet fragmented what everyone watched, read, or listened to together:

    “We all consume our content in these little neat and tidy niche communities… that’s great for music and True Crime podcasting… But the downside… is a vast sameness on a big mainstream cultural level. There’s a lack of risk that you can feel with our artists…” ([06:01])

• Corporatization’s Chilling Effect:

  • As the entertainment industry consolidated, spreadsheets replaced tastemakers and risks vanished:

    “Fewer record labels, fewer movie studios, fewer gatekeepers with tastes and more gatekeepers with spreadsheets. And that means fewer opportunities for artists… pressured to keep delivering what works… The art suffers. Culture suffers. We suffer.” ([07:06])

• No More Transformative Moments:

  • Cites the likes of The Beatles, David Bowie, and Nirvana as culture-definers, bemoans the lack of such in recent decades:

    “The Beatles didn’t ask permission to make A Day in the Life. David Bowie didn’t ask permission to be David Bowie. Nirvana didn’t ask if they could scream their way into oblivion.” ([08:11])

• Taylor Swift as “Cultural Decoration, Not Definition”:

  “Her influence is something like cultural decoration compared to cultural definition. It’s not transformative. It hasn’t turned us collectively into something else.” ([08:38])

• Generational Recurrence:

  • Notes kids today wearing 90s band shirts (Nirvana, Green Day) instead of something their parents would have chosen as kids.

    “In 1985, when I was my son’s age, I wasn’t wearing a John Denver shirt from 1974… I could give a fuck what my parents were listening to 11 years prior. Where are the nirvanas for the kids of my son’s age?” ([09:16])

A Call to Action (and a Tease…)

• DIY Storytelling:

  • Brennan suggests that in this corporatized, risk-averse landscape, the only way to see real change is by individuals telling the stories that matter to them—outside the mainstream or the corporation:

    “If there’s one thing to take away from all this, it’s we don’t need the corporations to tell our stories. We can do it ourselves.” ([12:33])

• Numbers & Proof (For Subscribers):

  • Brennan promises in the “bonus section” (for members) to bring statistics on record sales, box office, etc., to prove that the culture “you love back then was better because it had the power to actually change things.”
  • This tease serves as both a narrative cliffhanger and a membership drive.

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Listener Interaction & Community Section

Run DMC, Hip Hop, and Suspicious Deaths

Timestamp: [17:34–24:25]

• Run DMC / Jam Master J Update:

  • Recap of this week’s main Disgraceland episode, which doubles as an update on Jam Master J’s murder.

    “It is pretty much a Jam Master J episode, just like the upcoming Temptations episode is pretty much a Tammy Terrell episode.” ([22:20])

• Question of the Week:

  • “Which hip hop group is the greatest of all time?”

  • Ratchet (865):

    “Run DMC is up there, but I’ve got to go with Public Enemy because when Public Enemy came out… I was in middle school. And all of a sudden, as a little white kid in St. Pete, Florida, I’m looking up Malcolm X, I’m looking up all the stuff Public Enemy was rapping about… they changed the entire consciousness of a generation of young white hip hop kids like myself.” ([18:52])

  • Jake responds:

    “You and I are of the same cloth, my man… For me, it was Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back… I literally dressed like Chuck D purposefully… I wasn’t the only one. There were a bunch of white kids in the suburbs taking their cues from Public Enemy and Chuck D. Glorious. Love it.” ([19:43])

  • Another listener, Amy (716), texts:

    “Public Enemy. period.” ([20:41])

• Future Listener Prompt:

  • Next week’s question: “Which musician’s death is most suspicious? Which cause of death are you calling bullshit on?”
  • Invitation to leave voicemails, texts: 617-906-6638 ([18:43–18:52; 22:47])

• Audience Engagement:

  • Ongoing attention and encouragement:

    “Your voice helps uncover what gets buried. And your voice, your takes, your messages, they push me to propel me into the dark corners of music history. So keep them coming, all right? It’s an important part of the show.” ([22:32])

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Other Memorable Segments & Moments

Coffee, Baseball, and Hollywoodland

Timestamp: [28:38–32:58]

• Sports Rant (with Matt):

  • Jake celebrates the “Red Sox on a fricking tear… we’re in second place… ahead of the Yankees. That’s all that matters.” ([28:38])
  • “I hate the extra innings rule, okay? With the dude at the start of the top of the 10th inning on second base… I like most of the other rules, most of them anyway. Pitch clock especially. But this one—can't abide. The dude does not abide.” ([30:02–31:22])

• Coffee Confessions:

  • Jake:

    “Here's what I'm learning about me. I'm a caffeine fan, not just a coffee fan. Cause I go nowadays, first thing, tea, second thing, americano, third, espresso. I reverse the intensity throughout the morning. And then it's like by the time I sit down in front of the mic with you, I'm fucking a rocket ship looking to fucking blast off.” ([32:35])

• Hollywoodland Segment:

  • Joan Crawford episode plug.
  • Jake’s “music wrecks” inspired by Joan Crawford:

    “Joan—Craw—I thought crawfish. All right. Then I thought of the great Louisiana rock and roll artist C.C. Adcock… That record, I had that record when it came out. It is amazing. I still have it on CD somewhere. You can't get it. It's not on Spotify. It's phenomenal.” ([33:09–33:27])

  • Anecdote about eating crawfish with C.C. Adcock, “the funnest day of my life might have been with him in Louisiana.”

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Notable Quotes

• On the Loss of Risk:

  “We've got this sort of cultural mediocrity. There's a lack of risk that you can feel with our artists, and it has resulted in this lack of change from decade to decade.”
  —Jake Brennan ([06:39])

• On Creative Agency:

  “We don’t need the corporations to tell our stories. We can do it ourselves.”
  —Jake Brennan ([12:33])

• On Taylor Swift’s Impact:

  “Her influence is something like cultural decoration compared to cultural definition. It's not transformative.”
  —Jake Brennan ([08:38])

• On the Importance of Community:

  “Now, this ain't just content, it's community. A community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And, well, that's a disgrace.”
  —Jake Brennan ([39:19])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:07–13:54 | Main monologue: cultural shifts, stagnation, internet, corporatization | | 17:34–24:25 | Listener voicemails/texts; Run DMC, Public Enemy, engagement prompts | | 28:38–32:58 | Sports rant (Red Sox, rules), coffee/caffeine habits, Hollywoodland | | 33:09–34:00 | Joan Crawford-inspired music recs, C.C. Adcock story |

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Final Recap & Episode Plugs

• Current/Rewind/Upcoming Episodes:

  • “Full episode on Run DMC (Part 2)”
  • Britney Spears parts 1 & 2 (rewinds)
  • Upcoming: The Temptations, with focus on Tammy Terrell’s suspicious death
  • In Hollywoodland: Joan Crawford episode

• Community Engagement:

  • Invites listeners to leave voicemails/texts/DMs for future Afterparty segments
  • Reminds about Disgraceland All Access membership for deeper, exclusive content

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Takeaways

• The era of regular, decade-by-decade cultural transformation is over (or in “stasis”), largely due to corporatization and fractured attention from the internet.
• Listener feedback and storytelling matter more than ever—these are ways to break through creatively, revive risk, and rediscover buried history.
• Disgraceland remains a haven for subcultural obsessives, and Brennan’s commitment is to keep pushing into the unsanitized, the untold, and the weird.

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For More:
Check out the main episodes referenced (Run DMC/Jam Master J, Britney Spears, The Temptations/Tammy Terrell) and join Disgraceland All Access for bonus stats, deep dives, and community. Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/membership.

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Hey Discos, need a little more Disgrace Land in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgrace Land. The afterparty. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the After Party. This is the show after the show. The party after the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission? To uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we're talking about this week's full episode subject in part two of our Run DMC story. Getting into Jam Master J here, where rewinding back to our Britney Spears episodes, previewing our upcoming episode on the Temptations and the Suspicious death of Tammy Terrell. And we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent diggers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told. The kind you'll end up telling to someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. So I went to grade school in the 1980s. My high school career started in the late 80s and ended in the early 90s. I went to college in the 90s as well. So I'm kind of. I'm both an 80s and a 90s kid. These are two different things. Anyone who grew up when I did, anyone who is Gen X knows this. The 80s were vastly different from the 90s. We went from Simple Minds to, oh well, whatever, nevermind. From. From Day Glo of Flannel, from clever raps by sitcom dads to Drive by Shootings, from Pretty in Pink to Pulp Fiction, from Bill Cosby to Jerry Seinfeld, from Less Than Zero to high fidelity. And I'm just talking about the books there, not the movies. Less Than Zero book to the High fidelity book. Now, the fashion, the music, the films, the books, the television that drove culture, defined culture, literally changed how we looked, how we talked, how we thought, how we think about what the 80s looked like and sounded like compared to what things looked and sounded like in the 90s. It was an entirely different world. And you can run the same experiment with the 50s and the 60s, from Rockabilly Rebel, James Dean vibes to the Summer of love in just 10 short years. It's a wild, wild difference, wild jump in culture. And then you can do the same thing, from the hippie dippy boomers to the punk nihilists and disco hedonists. You know, if you go from the 60s to the 70s and then from the 70s to the 80s, you've got, you know, Miami Vice, neon and Gordon Gekko greed and Michael Jackson and Madonna. And then, like I said, the 90s were nothing like the 80s. So you see where I'm coming from here, what I'm getting at? From the 1950s to the 1990s, each decade was wildly different than the last in culture. I grew up in a time like most of you did, when there was a cultural reset every decade. The art we consumed, it caused us, like I said earlier, to look at things differently, to think differently, to act differently. And then, for some reason, all that stopped 10 years after Nirvana debuted on 120 minutes, an event that me and my friends watched live, breathless, like it was our own moon landing. Just 10 years after that, we got Outcast, we got Pink, we got Britney Spears. The rise of commercial hip hop. So different. Yes, but then what? What did we get in the next decade? What's so different about 2011 from 2001? Not much, especially when you compare it to the difference between 1991 and 1981. And here in 2025, it doesn't feel all that much different from 2015. So what happened? Why do we have seismic cultural shifts every 10 years for half a century, and now we don't? The obvious answer is the Internet, but that's only part of it. Sure, the Internet killed the monoculture, okay? We all consume our content in these little neat and tidy niche communities like this one. And in many ways, that's great. It's how music and True Crime podcast, which is its own niche. It's why we can exist and thrive. But the downside of this niche, ification, if you will, is a vast sameness on a Big mainstream cultural level. We've got this sort of cultural mediocrity. There's a lack of risk that you can feel with our artists, and it has resulted in this lack of change from decade to decade. The real villain here, it's not the artists. It's not even the Internet. It's corporatization. Okay? After the year 2000, American business hit a new level of maturity, especially in the entertainment world, the entertainment business. Capitalism became more efficient, and with that efficiency came consolidation. Fewer record labels, fewer movie studios, fewer gatekeepers with tastes and more gatekeepers with spreadsheets. And that means fewer opportunities for artists. And even when artists break through, when they break these gates down, they're pressured to keep delivering what works and to not take creative risks. What happens when artists stop taking risks? The art suffers. Culture suffers. We suffer. This is, in part why storytelling, sort of the theme we've been discussing over the last few after parties. This is a big reason why storytelling feels so stale while music, film, TV feels stuck. We now live in a subscription world. We don't live in a broadcast world anymore. We live in a subscription world. When people subscribe and they want what they signed up for, they want it over and over again. So artists double down on what's already working. I know. I'm one of them. I get. I know. I understand exactly how this works. But remember, the Beatles didn't ask permission to make A Day in the Life. David Bowie didn't ask permission to be David Bowie. And Nirvana didn't ask if they could scream their way into oblivion. When's the last time we saw anything like that? When's the last time we. We all saw something like that, and we were all affected by that. Maybe Jay Z and Kanye. Maybe. I just don't. I don't know. I honestly think it goes back to Kurt. Some of you are right now thinking Taylor Swift, obviously massive success, huge. But her influence is something like cultural decoration compared to cultural definition. It's not transformative. It doesn't. It hasn't turned us collectively into something else. I'm not throwing shade Taylor Swift's way, but she's not changing how people dress or how they talk or how they think the way that Kurt Cobain did, or even how a character like Chandler Bing did. I don't know what this means, but I dropped my son off at School of Rock camp this morning. Every kid, every kid had a 1990s band T shirt on Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam in 1985. When I was my son's age, I wasn't wearing a John Denver shirt from 1974, okay? I was wearing Van Halen and Def Leppard pins on my jean jacket and riding my BMX around. I could give a fuck what my parents were listening to 11 years prior. Where are the nirvanas for the kids of my son's age? You know? What are we doing? What are we doing? And for us here in Disgraceland, this isn't just about music. This is about storytelling. It's my belief that this increased corporate atmosphere that we now live in, whatever you want to call it, the increased corporatization, it's gutted the power of great culture defining film and television and just narrative in general, not just music. However, and this is the good part, there's a solution. I'm going to get to that. I'm going to get to that later in the bonus section of this episode, and I'm going to bring receipts, okay? I'm going to bring numbers. I'm going to bring proof. So if you've ever. If you've ever felt like I feel right now, okay, like, culture is sort of like putting you on the pain. Oh, mind list, right? Like it's forgotten about you, that the broader mainstream culture no longer reflects what you care about, then you're gonna want to hear this bonus section, all right? And this isn't about aging out of what's cool. I don't want any of you thinking that you people are beyond cool. You know how I know? Because we talk about some rando, esoteric music history shit here, and you've been here for it for years, okay? And the artists that we trade on and the subject matter that we trade in every week is far cooler than what is being traded in in mainstream culture right now. Now, can you. Can you make that claim about the artists and the culture that you grew up with? No. That shit was fantastic. I know, I know. I know. I know what I sound like. I know I'm sounding like the old guy on the lawn telling the young kids to get off it, but I'm not. I'm not. And again, like I said, I'm going to bring receipts, okay? I'm gonna bring them to the bonus section, all right? You know, but you gotta be a member, okay? Cause I'm not trying to be totally controlled by the corporate overlords here, or maybe because I am just a little. I don't know. But to hear the bonus section, you gotta be an all access member of Disgraceland, okay? You gotta subscribe to our little niche part of the culture. Okay, you know how to do it? Go to Disgracelandpod.com membership sign up for five bucks a month less than the cost of Kurt Cobain's Bar of Teen Spirit, you can become a member on Apple Podcasts or Patreon. Patreon. You're getting a little bit more. You're gonna get a little bit more of me in the community chat and a little more content per month again in the bonus section. I'm digging into the real numbers here, okay? Record sales, TV ratings, box office hauls, banned books, How Pulp Fiction changed Everything. I'm gonna prove that, yes, this is the important part. I'm gonna prove that yes, the shit that you love back then was better because it had the power to actually change things, unlike what is passing for culture these days. So if there's one thing to take away from all this, it's a we don't need the corporations to tell our stories. We can do it ourselves. I'll be back in a flash with your voicemails and your texts.

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All right, this week in Disgraceland, we brought you our Part two story. Our Part two episode on Run dmc, which is really an update episode. It's an update on the Jam Master J Murder. And then this weekend we are running back our Britney Spears Parts one and two episodes in our Rewind slots and Next week we've got our Part 2 episode on the Temptation, which is really a deeper dive into the Tammy Terrell death and the travesty that was her early, some would say suspicious demise. That's going to be our question of the week next week. Which musician's death is most suspicious? Which cause of death are you calling bullshit on? 617-906-6638. To let me know, send me a voicemail, send me a text, hit me up with your answers. And as you know, we'll play what you got to say right here in the after party with some of you anyways. And that's what we're gonna do right now. All right, you know where I'm at? I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone. [phone]. If you want to chime in on anything related to Disgraceland, this week's question of the week, spawned from our Run DMC episode, was which hip hop group is the greatest of all time? Let's check in with the 8 6, 5 on this very question.

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Hey, Jake, it's ratchet from the 865 most influential hip hop group of all time. Run DMC is up there, but I've got to go with Public Enemy because when Public Enemy came out, I believe 1988, and I forgot the name of the album, but the first couple of Public Enemy albums, I was. I was in middle school. And all of a sudden, as a little white kid in St. Pete, Florida, I'm looking up Malcolm X, I'm looking up all the stuff that Public Enemy was rapping about. And so as far as influential hip hop groups, I'd say Public Enemy because they changed the entire consciousness of a generation of young white hip hop kids like myself. So, yeah, Public Enemy, most influential hip hop group all time. And they're still doing it.

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All right, 865. I hear you, Ratchet. First Public Enemy album was Yo, Bum Rush the show. That's number one. Number two, you and I are of the same cloth, my man. Same thing for me. Not as early as Yo Bomb rushed the show. For me, though, it was nation of millions to hold us back. That was the record that did it for me with Public Enemy. When that came out or when I got my hands on it, which was probably 88. It come out in 1987. 88, dude. I literally dressed like Chuck D purposefully. Like exactly like exactly like Chuck D. Black Adidas, high tops, 501 Jeans Champion sweatshirt. I didn't rock the Pittsburgh Pirates hat. I rocked a Mets hat. Instead, was and still am a Mets fan, despite my fandom for the Boston Red Sox. That's a whole other thing. I'm not going to go into that here. But yeah, I hear you, man. Huge influence. And you're right, I wasn't the only one. There were a bunch of white kids in the suburbs taking their cues from Public Enemy and Chuck D. Glorious. Love it. Let's check in here with where are we going amy in the 716 who just texts in, very plainly put, Public Enemy, period. Yeah, Amy, you're absolutely right, Amy. Amy's got an earlier text here that I missed. She says, I know I said this in the Patreon, but I just wanted to text and say truly how much I've missed the podcast and your storytelling and your voice. Lol. Why are you lolling my voice? What does that mean? And our little Patreon community. Well, I took a break from whatever the fuck is going on in the world right now, but man, what a joy to come back. Yeah. Welcome back, Amy. Happy to have you. Sorry I missed this back when you sent it in. Yikes. May apology. Apologies for that. Guys. We're working on a way here at Double Elvis headquarters to engage with you further on the voicemails and the text. And we've come up with something that I think you're gonna like. I think you're gonna like it. We're not quite ready to roll it out yet. We haven't fully decided, but we're close and that may be most likely coming your way soon. If not, I'll just pretend we never had this conversation. 617-906-6638 you want to send me a voicemail? You want to send me a text? Question of the week Coming up, I want your answers on is going to be what musician's death is the most suspicious. Okay, hit me up. 617-90-66638 voicemail and text. You can also hit me up disgracelandpod on Instagram TikTok x Facebook. Speaking of Instagram, Madame Das M A D a M e Das D A s writes in relationship to the Run DMC episode that we just released, Madam Das writes, this update was a masterclass in storytelling. Unfortunately, it's a common tale from what I've observed growing up, and I absolutely hate all caps that it happened to Jay. Thank you for being his voice and also the voice of the witnesses slash victims. Appreciate this message, Madam Madam Das this story was a tricky one. It was a tough one. Jam Master Jay was obviously already dead when we released our first episode on Run DMC about four years ago now, something like that. And we didn't have a lot of the details on his death at that time. There was a lot of smoke, a lot of smoke. And I had suspicions, but I didn't want to fully go there. And it took a while for all that information to become publicly available for us to get. Once it did, we decided we're going to do part two, and I'm happy that people responded to it. So if you haven't heard the Run DMC episode, go check that out. It is pretty much a Jam Master J episode, just like the upcoming Temptations episode is pretty much a Tammy Terrell episode. Motown fans will know what I'm talking about. This is a fantastic story. I can't wait for you guys to hear it. 617-906-6638 voicemail and text me after you do listen and let me know your thoughts. Also, I wanna know from you as always, what stories have been buried that need to be told. Dig, baby, dig. All right. Your voice helps uncover what gets buried. And your voice, your takes, your messages, they push me to propel me into the dark corners of music history. So keep them coming, all right? It's an important part of the show. It's an important part of what we do here. Quickest way to get my attention these days is the telephone. [phone]. Voicemail text. I'll be back in a flash.

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All right, we are back. Apple podcast listeners, make sure you have auto downloads turned on so Disgraceland finds you wherever you are at every single morning so you don't miss a beat. Listen, it's the Sports Rant section here. Going to make this one quick, okay? Because I don't have enough to. I don't have enough to rant about. The Red Sox are on a fricking tear. Seven in a row. Seven wins in a row. We're in second place. We're coming up strong behind Toronto. I don't believe in Toronto. I'm not worried about Toronto. We're ahead of the Yankees. That's all that matters. I don't know that this is going to last. I don't think the Yankees. The Yankees don't feel like a third place team to me. Okay? So we shall see. We shall see. But there's been a vibe shift in the AL East. At least you have to admit that. And maybe that's because there's been a shift in our sponsorship here for this Sports Rant segment. Okay, we got Five Hour Energy as our sponsor as always, and we are super grateful. But this week I've got a new five Hour Energy product to tell you about. The sports rant is sponsored by five Hour Energy's new confetti craze flavor. It tastes just like birthday cake with a vanilla and buttery flavor to let you be unapologetically extra and unstoppably energized. Head to your local retailer, www.fivehourenergy.com or Amazon to order yours. Listen, I know a bunch of you are out there on the highway right now driving, listening to Disgraceland. I know I got a bunch of Truckers who are Disgraceland fans. I know you drink the five hour energy, get that new confetti craze flavor now. Matt.

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Yes, Jake.

[Jake Brennan (Disgraceland Host)]

Give me the buzzer beater for the rant here. All right. Okay. I have a lot of people in my life, not going to name any names, but there's one old head in particular who is way down on baseball for reasons that I believe are nonsensical and sort of outdated. Okay? Baseball is exciting as hell right now. And it's been that way this year. Last year, when did they put the new rules in? Beginning of last year. Was that it? The new rules, you cannot deny, have made the game more watchable, more exciting. But I gotta say, I. You know, I teach my kids to never say the word hate. But I hate the extra innings rule, okay? With the dude at the start of the top of the 10th inning on second base. It reminds me of like kickball in seventh grade gym class when Mr. Boncy knows it. He's only got like five minutes before he's gonna get you showered and changed, and then before the bell rings and you gotta go back to class so he sticks some rando at second just so someone can win the game. I hate it. I hate that that's professional sports right now. It drives me crazy. I do not like it. I like most of the other roles, most of them anyway. Pitch clock especially. But this one can't abide. The dude does not abide. That said, if it helps the Red Sox win in October, I'll be celebrating with a five hour energy confetti craze flavor. Matt, how did I do?

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Well, Jake, those new rules have certainly sped things up in baseball, but unfortunately they slowed you down a little bit today. We were at 116, so we gotta. We got some work to do.

[Jake Brennan (Disgraceland Host)]

All right, well, you know, better luck next week.

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[Podcast Co-host or Guest (Coffee Discussion)]

Espresso has never been appealing to me because I. I like to enjoy. Part of the coffee experience for me is the, the length of time that it takes to drink the coffee, right? And espresso. I look at it, I'm like, that's gonna be over in like 30 seconds. And that's no fun.

[Jake Brennan (Disgraceland Host)]

Here's. Here's what I'm learning about me. I'm a caffeine fan, not just a coffee fan. Cause I go nowadays, first thing, tea, second thing, americano, third, espresso. I reverse the intensity throughout the morning. And then it's like by the time I sit down in front of the mic with you, I'm fucking a rocket ship looking to fucking blast off.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest (Coffee Discussion)]

Okay, here's our highly caffeinated look at this week in Hollywood Land. Jake, what music wrecks inspired by Joan Crawford do you have for us today?

[Jake Brennan (Disgraceland Host)]

This one is testing the limits of my what's how the hot hop, skip and jump referential treatment that we give these things. Okay, so Joan. Craw. Craw. I thought crawfish. All right. Then I thought of the great Louisiana rock and roll artist C.C. adcock. Ever hear of C.C. adcock?

[Podcast Co-host or Guest (Coffee Discussion)]

I've. I feel like I've seen the name before in my life, but I don't know.

[Jake Brennan (Disgraceland Host)]

Incredible. This is one of those dudes put up this record in 1994, self titled on Island Records, produced I believe, by Denny Cordell, who did the early Petty stuff and Leon Russell. That record, I had that record when it came out. It is amazing. I still have it on CD somewhere. You can't get it. It's not on Spotify. It's phenomenal. Later in my career as a musician, I ended up touring, touring in Europe with CC Adcock in about 10 years later, in 2004. And he was, he was one of the most American characters of. I ever met. We kind of became friends a little bit. But he's, he's, he's a, he's a recluse. He's. He's off the grid. I don't know what the dude's doing, but for those who are interested in 2004, he put out a record on Yep Rock, which is the label I was signed to. And the record is called Lafayette Marquis. And it is amazing. It is incredible. Not as good as this debut album, but it is incredible. So check out C.C. adcock. Lafayette Marquis. The only time I've ever eaten crawfish was with CC Adcock in, in Lafayette, actually Lafayette, Louisiana. The funnest day of my life might have been with him. In Louisiana. One of them. Pre marriage, pre kids. I was gonna say. Careful there. Yeah. No, no, for real. But it was like, I. I wouldn't have fun doing that. Now is also my point, given the amount of alcohol that was involved. But it was just, it was just a blast. In Louisiana they do. I don't know if it's a Southern thing, but it was explained to me that, like, the big party day down there was Sundays because it's so church oriented and everybody parties together. There's no generation gap. You go to church and then after church the party starts and you party throughout the night and there's zydeco music and the whole thing and it's just. And he took us to one of these, like, dance halls and where we cry. It was just unbelievable. I'm pretty sure he slept with my girlfriend at the time that night, but I don't blame him for it. Anyways, the next thing go from Joe Crawford. All right, discos, make sure you are subscribed to Hollywoodland. So you're getting our swing at Hollywood in True crime every week. Get our full episodes, you get our bonus episodes, you get stories like no other on Jack Nicholson, on Robin Williams, on Marilyn Monroe, and on so many more. But back to Disgraceland, the matter at hand. Disgraceland right here. You know what we're for. You know what this is all all about. This is for the obsessed, the overlooked, the outsiders. If that's you, then you're one of us and you're right where you belong. But by chance, if you want a little more, you want a little more storytelling, you want the buried stuff, you want the stories that chasm and the powers that be are too scared to tell. If you want revelation, you want reckoning, reclamation, then Disgrace Land all access is for you. Just five bucks a month for less than the cost of, like I said earlier, Kurt Cobain's private stash of Teen Spirit deodorant for just five bucks, you get the episodes they couldn't fit into the main feed. And more storytelling. Like why the content and culture that you grew up consuming is. Was way cooler than whatever it is we're sludging through right now. That's what we're diving into in the next exclusive section of the after party coming up just after this. But if that ain't your thing, no sweat. You also got going to get ad free Disgraceland and Hollywoodland bonus full episode every month and access to me and your fellow discos in the private community chat on Patreon. So if you're Truly obsessed like me. Go to www.gracelandpod.com membership. Join the All Access crew today and you will find that this isn't just content, guys. It's a community and you belong. All right, welcome back and thank you for joining me here in another afterparty episode. We talked today, some artists we mentioned, Taylor Swift, Nirvana, Public Enemy, Matthew Perry. Matt's going to have the show notes for those episodes. Matt's gonna have the episode notes for those. Those stories in the show notes of this here episode. So you can easily find that you want to hear that Matthew Perry episode. For instance, you might be like, why? Why is the Matthew Perry episode a disgrace? Well, once upon a time, if you're new here, we experimented with doing some non musical subjects in Disgraceland and Matthew Perry was one of them still in the feed will eventually be in Hollywoodland before he's one of the only ones left in Disgraceland along with Anthony Bourdain. So, yeah, and that Matthew Perry runs a banger. You're gonna want to hear it. Anyways, I gotta get going. It's late. Matt is waiting patiently for me to finish this so he can finalize it. Get it in the feed to all y'. All. I gotta shut up. I'm gonna recap real quick. Number one, this week's full episode on Run dmc. Part two on Run dmc, I should say, is live and waiting for you right now. Number two, rewind episodes this week, Britney Spears, part one and part two. Number three, coming up at the top of next week, Our new Part 2 episode on the Temptations and the suspicious death of Tammy Terrell. Number four, over in Hollywoodland right now, our episode on Joan Crawford. And that one is a banger. Number 561-790-66638. Voicemail, text. Get at me that way or hit me up. Disgracelandpod on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, disgraceandpodmail.com to email me. Your voice helps uncover what gets buried. Your takes propel me into the dark corners of music history. So keep them coming. Dig, baby, dig. Now that the night is over. Number six, don't forget discos. Like I said, this ain't just content, it's community. A community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. 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