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Jake Brennan
Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The After Party.
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Jake Brennan
Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show. The party. After the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission? To uncover the truth. To confront the myth. To reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, the five most surprising true crimes committed by musicians. Your stories from music history that just upset you to no end. The awesomeness of 80s sitcom music and what you can do about it. Plus your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lotta Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told. The kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. The New York Times has a new list, okay, new list of the 30 greatest living American songwriters that the paper released last week. A couple days ago, not quite a week ago, Ian Watkins from lost profits. This week's subject of Disgraceland. He's not on that list. And not just because he's no longer alive, nor was he American, but also because, well, he wasn't a great songwriter. But Ian Watkins does, without a doubt belong on some sort of list. Perhaps a list of the most disgraceful musicians to ever live. It's a long list. We're not going to get into that list. We're going to do something a little bit different, okay? And I'm going to use this Times thing to jump off of here, okay? The Times list of great songwriters, like I said, is limited to 30American living songwriters. Now, Zeth and I will be discussing their choices, which I have to say is kind of bullshit, but kind of spot on at the same time. Anyways, we're going to get into it more fully. In the exclusive section of this after party, the list of American songwriters who are alive and who should be on this list is almost as long as the list itself. The list of songwriters who are on it. I keep saying list and it's bothering me. It doesn't feel like I'm overusing the word, but then I say it and it does feel like I'm overusing, you know, I don't know, whatever. Anyway, Stephen Merritt from Magnetic Fields, he's on the list, but Tom Waits isn't. I don't know. Make that make sense. Anyways, Zeth and I are gonna try. We're gonna try in a little bit. Just go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up, if you're not already signed up as an all access member of Disgraceland, and you'll be able to unlock this exclusive content along with some ad free content as well. Now, I suppose the New York Times, I suppose they had to limit this to 30 to make the list exclusive and thus interesting. You gotta make it kind of hard. Can't have everybody on the list, you know what I mean? Lord knows there are far more than 30 great songwriters still alive in America. But as for the greatest, well, if people are gonna care about the list, then I guess there's gotta be a limit. Same goes for the list that I'm now compiling in my head. Ian watkins. It's our 272nd episode and obviously there's a lot of musicians doing a lot of bad things in those episodes. A lot of criminal activity, a lot of crime. Now, not all of our episodes detail musicians who were horrible people. Some tell the stories of horrible things that happened to good people. Some tell the stories about musicians and songwriters who, yeah, did some pretty shitty things in their lives, but redeemed themselves and In a lot of these stories, there's the main story and then there are these sort of ancillary, revelatory, surprising stories that are just kind of, for lack of a better word, shocking. And I don't necessarily mean shocking like the Ian Watkins story is shocking like, oh, my God, I can't believe another human being did that to somebody. I mean, shocking like, wait, what? Billie Holiday did what? That kind of thing. You know what I mean? There's a lot of that, and I realize that a lot of it gets said in these episodes and we all get caught up in the bigger, larger story and we don't really talk about, like I said, these, like, these little ancillary tidbity stories. Surprising, super revelatory things, Crimes, oftentimes lesser crimes or, you know, just weirder shit that musicians get up to that I find to be fascinating. This stuff kind of falls through the cracks of history. And I look at our job in part as being. We get to kind of. We gotta kind of pull it back up through the cracks and let it take root and flower it into some storytelling. So we're gonna use this New York Times list to create our own list. Our top five most surprising musician true crimes. Okay? Keyword is surprising. Now, the Times qualifies their list by only listing American and living musicians. We're not going to qualify our list with that criteria. We're going to. All we're doing is making sure that these crimes are truly surprising, truly revelatory. Everybody knows about Sean Diddy Combs crimes. Everybody knows by now about the stupidity of the Rolling Stones hiring criminals in the Hell's Angels as security at Altamont. Everybody knows about the Beach Boys, Dennis Wilson befriending cult leader Charles Manson. What I want to do is create a little list here of rock stars, singers, songwriters, hip hop stars, musicians who we've covered, whose again, acts are truly surprising. All right, it's a top five list. And number five, Ice T. Now, Ice T, the gangsta rap innovator is known the world over nowadays as Officer Fin to Tola on Law and Order svu. But few know that back in the day, back before his rap career, after Ice T had served his stint as a soldier in the U.S. army. Do you know that? Did you know that? I didn't know that until I got into research. Okay, so after he's in the army, but before he's a hip hop guy, Ice T used the leadership skills that he learned in the service to put together and to lead a high end jewelry heist crew, okay? Think Val Kilmer in In Heat, sort of, that kind of thing. Diamonds, big gold knots, Rolexes, you name it. If a jewelry store in southwestern California carried it back in the early 80s, chances were that Ice T and his crew were trying to steal it. Not only from jewelry stores. Ice T and his crew also hijacked trucks, okay, Truck hijacking. Ice T was never caught. Two members of his crew were. And all this happened before Ice T decided that perhaps rhyming was a better line of work than stealing. Number four, Rick James. Now, we all know the Rick James mean, right? Cocaine is a hell of a drug. The Dave Chappelle of it all. We all know that Rick James kidnapped and tortured two different women while in the throes of a heavy cocaine addiction. But long before these events, in the early 1990s, back in the late 1960s, early 1970s, right as Rick James was launching his career in music, Rick needed money to hang out with and keep up with the lifestyles of the rich and the famous that he was trying to live amongst and keep up with and become a part of. And he didn't have hit songs at the time, okay? So Rick James turned to drug smuggling. And I don't mean just like loading up the wheel well of his car with, you know, a couple, couple ounces of dope. I mean real drug smuggling for the Colombian cartel. Yes, Rick James smuggled drugs for the Colombian cartel. Don't believe me? Read his autobiography. It's all in there. Number three, Frank Sinatra. And no, not the story about how Frank worked as a pimp for Jack Kennedy and how he was the go between between JFK and Frank and his buddies in the Mafia. I'm talking about the story that was revealed in the last few years from a new investigation uncovering federal documents that prove, okay, that Frank Sinatra was much more than just a friend of the Mafia. Okay? But as the book, this is. The book's called Frank Sinatra and the Mafia Murders by Mike Rothmiller and Douglas Thompson. As that book alleges, Frank Sinatra actively worked for the Mafia, earning money for them, using his connections to protect them, all the while while working as one of the world's biggest entertainers. And this, this fact, this is why after Sinatra's son, Frank Sinatra Jr. Was kidnapped in 1963, the three men believed to be connected to that kidnapping were mysteriously tortured and killed. I know it sounds crazy and no one talks about it, but don't look at me. Look at the government documents detailed in the book that I just mentioned. And the fact, as well that the book was released on the heels of a global pandemic back in the early 2000s when everybody was a wee bit distracted. Number two, Paul McCartney. Guys, Paul McCartney did time in one of the world's most dangerous, most notorious prisons. We talk about the Monster Mansion, the prison that Ian Watkins did time in, recently officially known as HMP Wakefield, but called the Monster Mansion because of the horrible home for real life monsters that HMP Wakefield is. But Kosage Prison in Japan, in Tokyo, where Paul McCartney did Time isn't that far behind the Monster Mansion. Especially back in 1980 when Kosage was ranked as one of the world's worst and most dangerous penal facilities. And that was when Paul McCartney, again, back in 1980, the so called Safe Beetle. That was the time when the so called Safe Beetle completed his nine day prison stint for drug possession after trying to sneak in about a half pound of grass into Japan. Now nobody talks about this. Paul McCartney, one of the world's most successful, most talented, most famous musicians doing time in one of the world's most notorious prisons. And not all that long ago. 1980. Okay, 1980 was a long time ago, but still, I'm not talking about the 60s here or the 50s. This one blows my mind. I'll never get over it. I feel like I tell everybody this, parties, we're having, drinks, whatever, this is one of those ones I don't shut up about. It's just no one, it's because no one cares, really. If anybody else cared besides me, I wouldn't even find it that interesting. But just the fact that no one talks about this is kind of mind blowing. And I don't mean that people should be talking about it like judging Paul for it. I just think it's kind of badass, actually. You know, I mean, the guy did time with Yakuza, like real time nuts. But this is the best one. This is my all time fave. This is. This is number one with a bullet, Billie Holiday. Now, this crime, kind of innocuous compared to some of the ones we've been discussing here, but Billie Holiday, who spent most of her career as one of the greatest voices in pop music while also being heavily addicted to heroin, Billie Holiday actually taught her dog how to deliver her heroin. Now, rather than me trying to explain the number one artist's crime on our list here, I'm just gonna play a clip from our Billie Holiday episode back in 2022 about Billie and her incredible drug dealing dog, Mr. Matt. Play the clip, please. But that meant she needed drugs Regularly. And for a woman of her profile, that was no easy task. She knew she was being watched. Cops, locals, feds, whoever. She knew she was a potential prize scalp. A bold faced name capable of putting a shine on the name of the arresting officer in the papers. She couldn't be holding, ever. It was too risky. She could be searched at any moment without cause. She was a black woman in a very white man's world at the time. So a plan was hatched. Mister. Mister was Billy's dog. A boxer. Mister was smart. Smarter than some of the men in Billy's life. And definitely smarter than some of the drummers she'd known. Mr. Was capable. Mr. Was trained. Mr. Loved Billy. Mr. Was obedient. Mr. Was crooked. As Mr. Got recruited by Joe Guy, Joe Guy was recruited by Billy. First to blow trumpet in her band. Then to blow her away in the sack. Then to run Mr. For her. Joe Guy, every day, every day, bought an ounce of heroin up on 8th Avenue. Then he'd find Mister, give Mister a treat. Mister would sit. Joe Guy would attach that ounce of heroin to Mister's collar inconspicuously. Next time for Mister's daily walk down Morningside Drive over to the Braddock Hotel. With the Braddock sign In his sights, Mr. Would know what time it was. Time to see the man in the funny hat who operated the elevator for another treatment. Mr. Would run around the back of the Braddock. Joe Guy, his work done, would bounce. Mr. Would scratch the door. The man in the funny hat would appear. Mr. Would follow him into the hotel and into the elevator. He'd go and have his new treat tossed to him before the doors would close up. Then the doors would open. That meant another treat. This treat from Billy, who'd be waiting for Mr. On the other side of the opening elevator doors in the top floor. Out of the elevator and into Billy's arms. Mr. Would go. First. He'd get his treat. Then he'd get smothered with love from his mistress. Then she'd detach the special package Mr. Had brought her. She'd sit, she'd shoot, she'd sail away wild. She was a star, a very high star. She descended from the rough and tumble streets of Baltimore, then Harlem, through reform school, whorehouses, Welfare island, to the top of the music game with a bad habit. But able to satiate that habit from a penthouse suite via a trained canine who ran drugs for her on orders from a man who worked for her. Billie Holiday. Stone cold surreal. All right, there you have it. That was Billie Holiday and her dog. Mr. Number one on our list of top five most surprising musicians and their true crimes. Most surprising true crimes by musicians. Excuse me, I gotta get the copyright for the New York Times. They're about to call. Anyways, all these stories, like the Billie Holiday story, they're all available in our archive. You can check them out. Matt's going to have the episode info for you on all five of these gems in the show. Notes here to help you easily navigate your way through our archive of over 270 episodes. All right, this week, as I mentioned, our new episode on Ian Watkins from Lost Profits. You might know the story about the horrific abuse Watkins committed in his truly horrible crimes, but you might not know the rest of the story about how his crimes, the sickening abuse of children, how these crimes could have been prevented were it not for authorities dismissing the warnings and accusations of a woman they wrote off for reasons that are fucking mind bendingly stupid. Okay, we explain it all in our episode, but the point is this is ultimately the story of a hero who would not be denied. And she's a very unlikely hero and you're going to want to hear it. So check out the Ian Watkins from Lost Profits episode, the latest episode of Disgraceland in your feeds right now. So that's the Ian Watkins story. Now, speaking of dirtbags, we have two Sean Diddy Combs episodes coming up this weekend. After this here bonus episode, we have part one, which details the story of Diddy in the nightclub shooting from back in the 90s with JLo. Now this is in a way, Diddy's dirtbag origin story. Okay, Diddy's dad was a gangster. At least he was gangster affiliated. There's the whole thing with the charity basketball game and Heavy D and the boys and the nine people who died. Now when you know, how did he came up and what his past was like and how his father lived and died and what Diddy Diddy was up to before he was famous. His crimes that we were all exposed to in the last couple years, they become a bit easier to understand and we're going to get into that. And like I said, the nightclub shooting with JLO and all those 90s headlines in part one of our Sean Combs story. Part two is much different. Okay, that's being re released as a rewind this week as well. Part two of our Diddy story was written before his recent conviction and sentencing, but after the Cassi Ventura accusations, after the indictment, actually. So in fact, this episode is based almost entirely on the indictments that were released the federal Indictment, the Cassie Ventura indictment, the little Rod Jones indictment. And the episode is a reenactment of sorts, a dramatization of the horrific events detailed by Cassie and others in the indictments. And we. We teamed that information up with more research on Diddy's past and his motivations for living the life that he lived. Okay? These episodes, both of them, they will surprise you no matter what you think you know about Sean Diddy Combs. And it's important, I think, to listen to these episodes to truly understand who this guy is, because in two years, he's gonna be out of prison. And I guarantee you this will be. This will be different than OJ Getting out of jail. This will be different than Bill Cosby getting out of jail. I guarantee you Diddy will worm his way back into polite society, and he'll be right there on our screens, in our feeds, making music, making content, making news, making money. In these episodes will hopefully help you never forget who he truly is at his core, where he comes from, and why he did what he did. D I. D. Diddy. There. See? I did that. I didn't plan on that. I kind of did. Anyways, check those two Diddy rewind episodes out. They're coming this weekend. Next week, our new episode on Stevie Ray Vaughan. Guys, simple question. When you're listening to that Stevie Ray Vaughan story, be thinking about, okay. Stevie Vaughn died young. Gone Too Soon. All right, you can have four dead rock stars on your Mount Rushmore of Gone Too Soon. Rock stars. Who's it going to be? Is Stevie Ray Vaughan on your list? You only get four. Four choices. 617-906-6638. Voicemails and texts to let me know who's on your Mount Rushmore of Gone Too Soon. Rock stars. Again, limit your answers to four, please. Okay? Don't cheat. Be like the New York Times. Limit your list. Okay. All right, right after this, your voicemails, calls, texts, emails, and the greatest argument over sitcom music that you've ever heard.
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Malcolm Glebel
Hello? Hello, this is Malcolm Glebel from Smart talks with IBM. Today, we're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pallard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari hp.
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Stefano Pallard
Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.
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Malcolm Glebel
I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the tifosi, the Ferrari superfans in the digital age.
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Stefano Pallard
Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something, so they want to be part of a community and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.
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Malcolm Glebel
You've got Ferrari, which has a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.
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Stefano Pallard
When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology and digital channels. Are these being able to create a deeper connection with our fans?
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Malcolm Glebel
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Jake Brennan
All right, guys. Last week, during the editing of the exclusive portion of the afterparty, we were done recording it, Seth and I. And, you know, you get recording, you get done recording, and then the files go over to Matt. Matt puts it together. While Zeth and I were done and we were off doing whatever else we were doing that day, we got a text from Matt, who was putting the episode together like I said. And the text just said, oh, mom and dad are fighting. And what Matt was referring to was this argument Szeth and I got into over, of all things, sitcom music. It wasn't so much of an argument as it was a disagreement. I don't like arguing with people because I'm on this tip lately. My new thing, you can't convince anybody of anything. Nobody's ever been convinced of anything in the history of the world. Seriously, ask yourself if you've ever truly been convinced of something and then think, did that person convince me to think the exact opposite way that I was thinking before? Or did I convince myself through a series of information uncovering maybe that person propelled me to. On a journey to discovery, but that person didn't actually have an argument with me. And I just sat there and said, yeah, you know what? You're right. I no longer think the way I thought. Ted, no one can be convinced of anything by anyone else. That's my new shit. So I was in no place to argue with Zeth. I was just kind of disagreeing with him. And, I mean, he deserved to be disagreed with because he was completely fucking wrong, as you're gonna hear. Because Matt. Matt is going to share some of his madness that has been compelled by this, by this disagreement. And I'm not talking about, you know, Matt's gone a little crazy here, okay, If I'm being honest. And this has driven him to a place that I've never really seen Matt go to before. And I'm not talking about, you know, regular, overworked production guy crazy. Matt's gone full Colonel Kurtz, straight Jack Torrance from the Overlook Hotel, downright psychotic, Patrick Bateman style. All over this disagreement we had before, I explained the depths of Matt's newfound insanity. And what. What depths of his insanity mean for you guys. Matt, why don't you just detach the electrodes from your temples there for a moment and play a Clip of this so called argument. God, Sesame street was so good.
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Matt
Oh, man, it was the best. Yeah, the music, man. The music alone like that. I think it was the Pointer Sisters that did the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. Yeah, I think so.
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Jake Brennan
No wonder it was so good.
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Matt
I know, man. This is back when they put some effort into that shit, you know?
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Jake Brennan
Yeah. And then remember it was like, oh, yeah, you think this is cool? Wait till you hear the Electric Company.
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Matt
Yeah, yeah, exactly. The election Muppets blow your mind.
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Jake Brennan
Yeah. Then the Electric Company. The. What the fuck, man? Who's this tall, fucking skinny, freckled guy? Later we find out it's Morgan Freeman. You know, we had it good back in the 70s, man.
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Matt
We did have a good man. Yeah.
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Jake Brennan
What do they got now? Fucking bluey and what do they got? What's the big shit?
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Matt
I don't know. My kids have phased out of all that stuff, but we just don't have even like 80s sitcoms every. They all had theme songs that were like, great. Intentionally written, you know what I mean?
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Jake Brennan
Like, they still do. And they really.
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Matt
You don't really, though. You get like a little ding dong dong. It's just like the. I should cut that. That sounds a little too. They're just like.
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Jake Brennan
No one thought you. You were doing what you think it sounded like. Okay. Until you pointed it out and you weren't doing it, so it doesn't matter. No, I. Hard disagree. Hard disagree. There's some great modern day kids.
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Matt
There's great modern day theme songs.
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Jake Brennan
Yeah. There's a great. There's a great Netflix, like, new Netflix animated show that has a really kind of old school. I don't know what it is. I'll find out. I'll ask Willem when he gets home from school. And then there's even. I like the bluey theme, I think. I think letters to Cleo. Like, Matt will know this. I think, like, I think all this was done at fucking Q Division, by the way. Like, there's some, like. I think Kay Hanley's done a lot of this stuff.
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Matt
I don't doubt you. I'm just saying they last like five seconds these days.
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Jake Brennan
Before, they were like, you're wrong.
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Matt
I'm all right, fine. Maybe all right.
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Jake Brennan
Yep.
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Matt
Calmer than you are, dude, I have
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Jake Brennan
to say, you know, you have a lot of patience for me disagreeing with you. All right, so. So there you have it. Now, because of this disagreement, Matt has gone and tried to come up with a way to settle this. You know, sort of. You know, I think Matt's contention is that, you know, sitcom music as. As that and I both were, were getting at, we weren't really disagreeing over this. We both were at the point where we think sitcom music and just TV music in general was better in the day, back in the day. The day being the 80s, the 90s. Now, Matt has cooked something up for us all to sort of delve into this a little further, but I can't explain it as well as he can. So, Matt, why don't you go ahead and chime in here and let the people know what you're cooking.
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Matt
First of all, Jake, I just want to paraphrase Joni Mitchell here and say, I told you when you hired me that I was crazy. But anyway, it's got me thinking a lot about all of our Gen X listeners, our baby boomer listeners, you know, folks who were around in the golden age of the 70s and 80s with these sitcom themes. And I was also thinking maybe about some of our younger listeners who didn't get to experience that firsthand. And so what I've cooked up is a March Madness style 64 Entrant Tournament of the greatest sitcom themes of, of all time. Now, there were certain criteria that had to be met. Luckily, we have the sitcom O Tron 2000, which is an advanced technology that we've invested in that can help rank these things for us. Anyway, we've got 64 entrants and we're looking for our listeners to come in and vote. And we will be running the tournament throughout the month of May, calling it May Madness. And to vote to get involved, all you got to do is go to patreon.com Disgraceland you do not have to be a Patreon member to get involved in this, but come on over to patreon.com Disgraceland see what we're doing over there, see what the other discos are up to. And even if you're not a member, you can come in and vote. First round voting ends this Friday, May 8th at 11:59pm Eastern Standard Time.
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Jake Brennan
Matt, any light that you can shed on how the voting is shaping up thus far?
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Matt
Yeah, well, you know, it's still early in the tournament. We're here in the first round, but already we have a lot of exciting action. And here's our halftime report on the first round. We've already got a lot of excitement brewing in group one. We've got a potential huge upset with the Jetsons, who are currently leading Good Times. So that's A that would be a shocking upset. Also in group one, we have a knockdown drag out fight between it's Garry Shandling show and Chico and the Man. It's, it's too close to call at this point is to come down to the wire. Same thing with Alice and Growing Pains. Over in group two, we've got a couple matchups that are kind of interesting. Lower in the bracket, we've got Malcolm in the Middle leading Charles in Charge and Married With Children taking the lead over the higher seated Bosom Buddies. And now in group three, we've got a huge upset brewing at halftime here with the Floor Flintstones leading mods. So you can see these animated shows have really shown up to play this year. And group four so far is really, you know, playing out as you might expect with the higher seeded shows leading. But you know, it's only halftime. If you want the full details on the halftime score, check out the post on Patreon right below this one. It'll be called May Madness Halftime Report. And you can get all the current score scores so you can see what we're looking at heading into the last couple days of voting in round one.
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Jake Brennan
All right, Truly riveting stuff here at Double Elvis. I don't know why this is important to us, but it is. If you're of a certain age, as we are, perhaps it's important to you as well. We know it is for the folks over at Patreon. They're loving it. I imagine at some point I will get into this a little more fully on Instagram as well. Anyways, we hope you vote. We hope you. I mean, this is the important stuff. Okay? So get in here and let us know. Right? You're shaping culture. Okay? This stuff is going to be memorialized forever. And you know, there needs to be a record before AI comes and just, you know, ruins everything. Just flattens it. All right, so let your voice be heard. Welcome to behind the Scenes, the madness here at Double Elvis. Now let's, let's crawl out of the sitcom madness and hear from you guys on Ian Watkins from Lost Profits and a little bit, I guess, on first Foo Fighters from last week with the Ian Watkins episode. The question of the week was which story from music history upset you guys the most on that topic, let's hear from the two 1, 3. Before we get into the call here, just to remind you all that the views and opinions expressed by callers, texters, emailers, et cetera, are the views of the callers and the texters and the emailers and not necessarily of my own. With that disclaimer, let's now dip into the 2, 1, 3. Here.
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Caller or Listener
The music history story that I absolutely cannot shake ever since I heard it. And it makes me so pissed off because it was. It's. I just feel like not enough people are talking about it, are the connection between River Phoenix's death and John Frusciante. And I don't know if it's just like the fame of John and his, like, whole comeback story, but the fact that, like, it's pretty much easy, very easy, to connect his drugs to River Phoenix's death. Then John leaves the band, goes basically on like the bender to end all benders, and then nobody ever talks about it, ever. That pisses me off. That pisses me off because it makes River Phoenix look just like another junkie that died on the street when by many accounts, most, you know, it was an accident and he didn't know what he was taking. And effectively he was dosed. He was dosed by John Frusciante. And it makes me really angry because river didn't have to die.
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Jake Brennan
Oh, yeah, listen, this story upsets me to no end. And thank you for the voicemail because it's compelled me to. I've long wanted to do a Red Hot Chili Peppers episode, but I've never read Anthony Kiedis book. And I just don't want to get into more of the same rock star debauchery bullshit that's not particularly interesting. Or maybe it is, I don't know. I just don't have high hopes for it. This story, though, I love John Frusciante. He's one of my favorite guitar players. He's incredible. And I've known about this theory and the evidence behind it that connects him to the death of River Phoenix, allegedly. I've actually heard from people who were there that night and firsthand accounts, and it's super compelling. And I'll tell you what, the thing that's always sort of stopped me from, from heading into the story full bore has been. There's this one really tough fact here. And it's the fact that Flea was super tight with River Phoenix and he was very affected by River's death, and he's obviously tight with John Frusciante as well. And I don't know what any of that means, but I know it's complicated and I know I want to tell this story. I know I want to look into it. And maybe there's not absolute proof there, but even in the absence of proof, we can. We can present facts as we find them and we can draw our own conclusions. So thank you for this. Appreciate the message. All right, let's check out this voicemail from the 21 7.
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Caller or Listener
Hey, Jake, this is Craig from the 217 area. I think one of the most shitty stories I've heard about a rock musician in the recent history of, I guess it was 2017 would have been Tom Petty and how his. He died of a mixture of pain medications and other medications that were all prescribed to him by his doctor. I think that, you know, with his past and being a musician and having the past that a lot of musicians have, I think his doctor prescribing him all these medications without being extra careful and then him passing away at the young age of 66 was. Was pretty upsetting, pretty shitty to hear when I. When I got into work that day. So that was one of the things that. That really came to mind also. Anything that has to do with. With Ween when. When Ween breaks up, it's shitty, man. You know, because most of the time when they break up or they take a break, a hiatus or whatever, they're in the middle of a tour, they're doing shows, they've got to cancel all these shows. And I understand recently, you know, with. With Dean Wean, he, you know, he had to take a break, take care of himself mentally and take a mental break from things. Totally get it. It's just kind of an upsetting thing to hear, but, you know, you got to take care of yourself. But anyways, Jake, do a story on Lean, man. Come on Lean. Have you ever listened to them? They're. They're one of the most amazing, unique fans of our time. They've been around since, I think like the mid-80s. Dean and Gene, we hope to hear something from. We. Thanks.
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Jake Brennan
Yeah. I tell you, the Tom Petty death story is incredibly frustrating. Incredibly frustrating in a similar way. So is the Glenn Frey death story as well. Hard pivot to Wean, man. I didn't see that coming. I love Wean. I really, truly do. I love them. They're. They're a divisive band here in the Brennan household. I've. I've managed to get the whole family on board, though. And I was actually, I saw the funniest meme yesterday. It said that the best Elliot Smith song is Baby by ween. You'll appreciate that. 217. I'd love to do a Ween episode. I don't know much about him. I have a friend who's. Who's friends with one of the Wein brothers. I'm not sure which one. Are there crimes there though? You know, is there anything true? Cry me there if there is 217 hit me back and let me know Let me fight Help me find a way in. Maybe I can do it through some a ween story through some Philly mob. Philly mob stuff. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe I'm just reaching 617-906-6638. You want to get in touch? We can talk about ween. We can talk about whatever you want. 64 6. Text in hey Jake, Hope all is well with you and your family. I have a good one for you. Phil Hyman Phil, why am I reading your text? What? Why are you teasing me? Phil, get back. All right, I meant to read this one from the 509 what up Jake? Brandon here in the 509. Just got around to listening to that Foo Fighters episode and wow. As a lifelong Foo fan, I've been dying to find out what really did Tailor in. Because quite honestly, I'm getting sick of people summing it up as just junky rockstar shit. And that angle with the insurance companies is incredibly eye opening. And I have to admit I never would have even even thought that they'd have to ensure their shows, but it totally makes sense. I wouldn't have in a million years connected those dots. But the more I think about it, the more I think that that's the case and he just simply died from rocking too hard for far too long. I'm just glad I have something somewhat credible to defend my man with now that I'm aware of the bigger picture. So thanks for that. Keep on rocking. You got a 509. Appreciate you. Let's head on over to the 813, wherever that is. Where'd you go? 813? 813 hey Jake. Finally listening to an after party episode in real time. Listener James wrote in about Tori Amos covering Slayer. Since you haven't heard that song, you probably haven't listened to that album. It comes from her 2001 concept album Strange Little Girls. The album is all cover songs originally performed by men. Eminem, the Beatles, Depeche Mode, and Tom Waits are all represented and covered. It's worth a listen. My personal favorite are her covers of I Don't Like Mondays and I rattlesnake her. 97 Bonnie and Clyde still is too creepy to listen to again. Bonnie and Clyde. 97 Bonnie. What is that not the Serge Gainsburg Bonnie and clyde, is it? 813, thank you for reminding me of Tori Amos in the Slayer cover and apparently now a bunch of other covers that I had no idea she did, but also reminded me that I have to call Ryan to work on a sort of Elton John piano sounding cue for us. And I get to write that down in my book. So I'm gonna do that right now. Call Ryan now. 813, I know you don't know who Ryan is. Ryan does a bunch of the music for us here. Not all of it, but a bunch of it. And yeah, I got a piano based cue that I need and you know, Tori Amos piano, piano based cue. There we go. That's how my brain's working. Appreciate you. 813-617-906638. You guys want to get in touch on anything? You want to talk more Ian Watkins and lost profits? More stories from music history that upset you? More Foo Fighters? You want to get at me with your. Your Mount Rushmore of Gone Too Soon Rockstars? 617-906-6638 voicemail and text. That's how we're gonna do it. Next week's question of the week. I just mentioned it. What's your Mount Rushmore Gone Too soon rock stars. Let's get into that. You only get four. Okay, call me up, leave me a voicemail, send me a text. I'm going to take a quick break. I'll be back in a flash.
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Stefano Pallard
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Malcolm Glebel
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Stefano Pallard
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Malcolm Glebel
You've got Ferrari, which is a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.
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Stefano Pallard
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Jake Brennan
All right 617-90-66638 voicemail and text to get at me at Disgracelandpod on the socials disgracelandpodgmail.com on email this film should be played loud. That's our video podcast that is available for you to check out right now our new episode on High Fidelity available for our Patreon members. You gotta go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up. This film should be played loud, like I said, as a video podcast where Zeth and I discuss the greatest movies with the greatest soundtracks. That's basically what it is. We go through the songs. All the songs, pretty much. Not all is tough with High Fidelity. So much music in that movie. Great music. But I'm here to tell you not only that that episode is available for you to watch right now, but that we have settled the debate of what our next episode is going to be. We put it to the people over on Patreon. We did a poll. We knew we were going to do a Wes Anderson film. We weren't sure if it was going to be Rushmore or Royal Tenenbaums or perhaps maybe, you know, Wes Anderson. Maybe you guys wanted to want to hear us talk about something else. Anyways, we put it to the people. The people came back strongly for the Royal Tenenbaum. So that's going to be the next this film should be played loud episode that we do that'll be released end of May. Yeah. Okay. In the meantime, Matt, why don't you give the people a little taste of the High Fidelity episode so they know what they're missing if they're not yet subscribed over on Patreon.
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Matt
Let's move on to Feel My Heat, which is the category where we ask, is the actor good at singing? And I think we know the answer to this.
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Jake Brennan
The answer to this could have been the answer to every single category in here. And if you feel like I feel. Come on. Wow. Come on. Let's get it on. Let's get it on. It's the scene I actually want to
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Matt
be at more than anything, when Barry's band, which was originally called Sonic Death Monkey, but they're gonna change their name to Kathleen Turner Overdrive, which is one of the greatest song band names.
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Jake Brennan
It's so great. It's almost as good as Willie Nelson Mandela. But, yeah, Kathleen Turner Overdrive will do.
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Matt
So they're playing at, you know, Rob's putting up this. This record, this EP by these. These skater punks that steal from his store. And he's DJing. What's that?
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Jake Brennan
Vincent, Justin.
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Matt
Vincent, Justin. And he's DJing. And Barry's band's playing, and he tries to pay Barry off to not play because he thinks that Barry's band is going to suck. And of course, Barry's band blows everybody away with this cover of let's Get it on by Marvin Gaye.
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Jake Brennan
But not as. But not as Kathleen Turner Overdrive.
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Matt
Correct.
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Jake Brennan
As Barry Jive in the Uptown Five. Right.
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Matt
That's right. That's right.
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Jake Brennan
This scene was arresting.
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Matt
What, it.
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Jake Brennan
When it happened. Yes. In the theater.
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Matt
Yes.
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Jake Brennan
Like, Jack Black is like Nolan Ryan in the ninth inning. And they're like, dude, you just threw a no hitter. Go rest. He's like, fuck that.
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Matt
Yeah.
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Jake Brennan
It's extra innings. And he comes out and he strikes out the side.
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Matt
Yeah.
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Jake Brennan
Jack Black, it's. It's like he's already given you so much, and then. I don't know if that's in the script. I have to see if that's in the script. It's most certainly not in the movie. I don't think the scene where the guy. It would be too perfect. Right. It would be too perfect for them to cast him and for him to kill it like this. I see this in my head as like, he was like, you know, I can sing. You know what I mean? Or just, like, proved himself on the set.
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Malcolm Glebel
Like.
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Matt
Right.
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Jake Brennan
Like, give me this.
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Matt
You know, they were looking at Artie Lang for this role before they got Jack Black.
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Jake Brennan
No, they were not. They were Stuttering John as Rob.
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Matt
Like, what?
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Jake Brennan
What?
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Caller or Listener
Really?
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Jake Brennan
All right, guys, that's the High Fidelity episode of this film. Should be played loud. Make sure you are a Patreon subscriber so you can cop that. Every month, I get a bone to pick with a Apple user who goes by the name Pavement, spelled P, A, capital V, E, M, E, slash nt. Now, Pavement writes in the reviews, no less. Five stars. Thank you. Okay. Appreciate that. I really do. Then goes on to say, would like to hear a few more obscure artists, but. Good. Fair. But I just want to point out today's episode. Okay. Ian Watkins from Lost Profits. And I might direct user known as Pavement to our archive of over 270 episodes to check out episodes by obscure artists like Johnny Paycheck, Gigi Allen. That's it. Those are the only. No, I'm just kidding. Tay K47 is a DJ. Michael Alig. Lots of obscure artists. In fact, I kind of think we have more obscure artists. But then it's all relative. You know, Some people would tell you that Depeche Mode is an obscure artist, which is just ludicrous to think. Listen, Pavement, if you need help finding these, get in touch. Appreciate the review. You'll be happy to know, Pavement, that we have an episode on Wendy O. Williams coming up. Okay. It's gonna pair nicely with Adele. You know, See what we're doing there? We've got one huge artist, one not so huge artist. Happy Mondays. The bags. These are all coming in the next few months. It's gonna be a good summer here in Disgraceland. You're gonna be happy, I promise you. Morbidgirly over on Apple writes, disgraceland is one of my favorite shows. Always comes through with new information, interesting facts that aren't common knowledge. Jake tells us each story with passion and really helps the listener envision the lifestyle and experience of each band, artist, legend, and does it with class. Thanks for all you do to help us remember the stars present. You got it. More of a girly. I appreciate that. Get in touch 617-906-6638. YouTube pavement. I'll get you guys some merch in the mail for those wonderful reviews. I want to read some of these dms from you guys over on Instagram @graceandpod. We made a little reel about what we were talking about in the after party last week about how Jim Morrison died. And there's this theory, we went through it. I'm not gonna go through the whole thing here again, but the theory that, you know, Jim didn't die from shooting heroin on purpose, that Jim mistakenly took heroin, that was Pam's, his girlfriend's, that he thought was cocaine. And we went into the whole thing how the heroin was pink so it could have been mistaken for cocaine, her connections to the Count, all that. So I made a little video about it, put it up, and I was very, very clear about it not being my. Necessarily my opinion, but just this is a thing that people in the know are talking about. And my. Oh, my God, have people lost their fucking minds about this? I want to read some of the. I don't know what it is. It's like you just. If you. If it's something different with the median mediums in a podcast format like this, I can have this conversation with you guys. You're not there, but I can see you. And I trust you. I trust you to know the nuance of what I'm talking about. I trust you to understand where I'm coming from, what my point of view is versus information that I'm just sort of presenting from other people. But it's just you put any, any, anything up against your image on social media and people just. They just. They don't even hear it. They don't even hear the real. The truth of what you're saying. They actually. The actual words, they do not hear. They hear what they want to hear. And they are pissed and they just want to yell. They just want to scream. And I kind of love it. But a lot of you dug this story and a lot of you like cutting Zoo says can't wait like the glasses and another one cannibal write saying hey, looking forward to this episode. Love your podcast. Jay McNeely never knew this story or all the connections. Not like me, I guess. I've been under a rock, not crack. And a lot of people are into this story, this idea, this theory. I was fairly convinced last week when we talked about it that I was going to do an episode on this. Now I am hyper convinced. We will be doing an episode on Jim Morrison and the Count and the cause of Jim Morrison's death. I'm going to dig and dig and dig and try and find more of this stuff. More beyond Marianne Faithfull's commentary. Disgracelandpod on the socials. You wanna get in touch and talk about anything, I'm here for it. Disgracelandpodmail.com if you want to send me an email. John McNeely writes in hey, is a David episode in the works and that's D4VD and there absolutely is. I'm waiting for this case to be finalized and then we'll be dipping into that for. For sure. Disgracelandpodgmail.com you guys want to get in touch, talk about anything at all? Hit me up. Now, as I mentioned earlier, Zeth and I are going to dive fully into this list. Top 30 Greatest Living American Artists from the Point of view of the New York Times. We're going to talk about the artists who were not on this list. It's enough to send you straight up the pole. Man, man, this list, it's. It's weird. This is one of those lists where I met. I said this earlier and I meant it. In a way, I completely get the list. I. In a way, I have almost no arguments with it. But then in the, in another way, I can just sit here and argue about. I can give you a gazillion reasons why 10 other folks should be on this list who aren't on the list. It's going to shock you. Who's not on this list, actually. Disgraceandpod.com Become an all Access member to check this out. Talk to you in a minute. Otherwise, see you on the other side. All right, guys. We mentioned a ton of artists on this episode, as we do every week. We did it with a little more structure this week than we do usually. We talked about Ice T, Rick James, Frank Sinatra, Paul McCartney and Billie Holiday. Those were our top five most surprising true crimes from artists And Matt is going to have the episode in four. Information on those stories in the show notes of this episode so that you can easily navigate to them. And no, we didn't do an entire episode on Ice T being a jewel thief or an entire episode on Billie Holiday's dog delivering drugs. These are just smaller stories set in the larger stories. All right, so check that out. Now, let's recap, shall we? Number one, this week, Ian Watkins from Lost Profits. That's our new episode. You can hear that right now. Rewind episode. Coming this this Sunday, we've got two parts, one and two of our Sean Diddy Combs story. Okay, number three, next week, Steve Ray Vaughan. That's our new episode. Number four, Zeph is giving you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland feed, so make sure you are subscribed so you can tap into that Charlie Sheen madness this week and you can hear my music wrecks in the rap party. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our video podcast episode this month on High Fidelity is currently available for you. Number six, 617-90-66638, you, voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content, it's a community. A community of the obsessed, the musically obsessed. Nobody cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do. And. Well, that's a disgrace. All right, back in September 2012, mega disgrace. You, Ian Watkins from Lost Profits was arrested for unspeakable crimes. And here's what America was listening to at that time. According to the Billboard charts. Number one, we are never ever getting back together. Taylor Swift. Last week one peak position one weeks on chart three. Number two, whistle flow rider. Last week two peak position one weeks on chart 15. Number three, lights Ellie Goulding. Last week three peak position two weeks on chart six. Number four, one more night. Number five last week nine peak position four weeks on chart 10. Number five, some nights fun. Last week six peak position five weeks on chart 27. Number six. Calmly made Carly Rages. Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it.
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