Bonus Episode: Underrated and Influential Women From Music History, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees, and our Inductee Picks

Summary

DISGRACELAND — Bonus Episode: Underrated and Influential Women From Music History, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees, and Our Inductee Picks

Host: Jake Brennan (featuring Seth)
Release Date: March 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

This bonus “After Party” episode of DISGRACELAND bridges the gap between main stories, offering listeners a dynamic mix of audience interaction and in-depth discussion on topics circulating in music history and culture. This week, Jake Brennan and Seth focus on “criminally underrated female rock stars,” listener picks for the most influential women in music, industry list failings, and a spirited preview of both upcoming Disgraceland episodes and this year’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominee list.

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Main Themes

• Reclaiming the Narrative:
  The hosts challenge the music industry’s conventional wisdom and lackluster historical lists, seeking to bring forward voices and stories that have been overlooked or misrepresented, especially those of women in music.

• Celebrating Women in Rock:
  Centering on Chrissy Hynde’s story (of The Pretenders), the episode elevates the broader conversation to include lesser-known rock heroines and listener favorites.

• Community Engagement:
  The After Party format gives voice to listeners through voicemails, texts, and emails, fostering a sense of discovery, debate, and inclusivity.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Chrissy Hynde and the Pretenders — Breaking Barriers

[03:53–06:42]

• Seth recaps this week’s main episode covering Chrissy Hynde, detailing her resilient rise:
  • Narrowly missed joining The Clash, Sex Pistols, and The Damned
  • Discovered the Violent Femmes
  • Overcame violence and adversity in London and at Kent State
  • Emerged as a defining figure in 1980s rock
• “Who was cooler than Chrissy Hynde at that time? ... No one, that’s who.” (Seth, 06:08)
• Hynde’s “indelible and identifiable image” (06:17), compared to contemporaries like Debbie Harry.

2. The “Expert” Canon of Women in Rock

[08:01–14:06]

• Discussion of the 2010 Rolling Stone “100 Greatest Artists” list: only Aretha Franklin makes top 10.
• Gender bias in historical rankings:
  • Madonna is 37th, Janis Joplin 46, Patti Smith 47—“way too low” (09:35)
  • Tina Turner only recognized as part of Ike & Tina (#61)
  • The Go-Go’s and The Pretenders: not listed at all
• “It’s almost like they get down the list and … go, shit, we forgot … any chicks on here, man. What are we gonna do? … bunched together back to back.” (Jake, 10:17)
• Recognition of Aretha Franklin’s indisputable place in top 10; critique of exclusion mechanisms.

3. Chrissy Hynde Calls Out the Establishment

[14:19–14:56]

• On her own Hall of Fame induction (2005): Chrissy Hynde described it as “a lame example of establishment backslapping,” challenging the authenticity of institutional accolades.
• “Despite how hard they try, they will forever be the antithesis of rock and roll.” (Seth, 14:32)
• Jake (joking): “...if they want to induct me as the first podcaster, I will buy my own travel fare. Kidding. No, I’m not.” (14:40)

4. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2026: This Year’s Nominees

[15:19–15:45, teased for exclusive section]

• Jake and Seth prepare to discuss current nominees and make predictions in the episode’s exclusive/premium section.
• “It's almost impossible to predict who gets in or why they're even nominated.” (Seth, 15:49–15:55)

5. Listener Spotlight: Most Influential Badass Women in Music

[20:04–27:01]

• Listener Amy (Milwaukee): Nina Hagen as the ultimate badass and “godmother of punk rock.”
• Listener Andrew (Brooklyn): Wendy O. Williams — “Supremely badass.”
• Listener Clint (Western Pennsylvania): Joan Jett: “She’s been true to her roots from the time she started out as a minor in the 70s. ... Gotta be Joan Jett, bro.” (22:17)
• Multiple listeners also shout out Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth), Brody Dalle (The Distillers), Kathleen Hanna (Bikini Kill), Carrie Brownstein (Sleater-Kinney).
• Seth: “Yeah, Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth might be tops on my list. Supremely badass.” (25:56)
• Wendy O. Williams receives repeated acclaim, with anticipation for an upcoming episode.

6. Community Stories and Podcast Culture

[27:05–34:15]

• Listeners share reviews and stories, including:
  • Heart’s Ann and Nancy Wilson championed by Jeanette (Spotify).
  • A penpal who confirmed serial killer John Wayne Gacy’s taste for Elton John.
• Jake riffing: “I decided I’m going to become pen pals with Tom Hanks.” (30:18)
• Emphasis on audience participation: “Your voice… keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, texting...” (45:14)

7. Bonus Segments

[36:03 onward]

• SXSW Reflections: Jake recounts attending the festival, enjoying live music (especially women performers), and reconnecting with friends in the industry.
• Podcast and Movie Synergy:
  • Teases crossover content: “This Film Should Be Played Loud” video podcast, focusing next on The Big Lebowski.
  • Hollywoodland project, which blends true crime and Hollywood history, hosted by Seth.
• Sports Rant: Jake dreams up a podcaster softball league, referencing classic rock–softball tournaments: “Why is there no, like, Podcaster softball league? … We need to start this.” (41:41)

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Notable Quotes

• “Chrissy Hynde … wanted freedom from her suburban surroundings. She wanted something bigger from this life and liberation through art, through rock and roll, which— I don’t care what era we’re talking about— it is no easy task.” (Seth, 04:29)
• “Rolling Stone’s kind of the authority. ... There’s one woman in the top ten ... and I think she should be in the top ten for sure...but Madonna … way down at 37 as well. That’s just wrong.” (Jake, 08:45, 12:00)
• “Patti Smith busted down doors that we didn’t even know were there.” (Jake, 12:25)
• “Go Go’s broke through. They wrote their own songs. They were the first group of female musicians to have a number one record with songs they themselves wrote. ... People told them they couldn’t.” (Seth, 12:53)
• “Despite how hard they try, they will forever be the antithesis of rock and roll.” (Seth, 14:32)
• “It's almost impossible to predict who gets in or why they're even nominated.” (Seth, 15:49)
• “Nina Hagen is beyond amazing. ... She’s the godmother of punk rock and she will be forever.” (Amy, 20:30)
• “Gotta be Joan Jett, bro. ... She’s been true to her roots from the time she started out as a minor in the 70s. ... Stuck to her attitude, stuck to her rock and roll.” (Clint, 22:17)
• “Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth might be tops on my list. Supremely badass.” (Jake, 25:56)
• “This isn’t just content. It’s... a community. ... No one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them together like you do. And that is a disgrace.” (Seth, 45:41)

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Timeline of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |--------------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:13 | Show setup & episode overview | | 04:29 | Chrissy Hynde’s rise and career highlights | | 08:01 | Gender imbalance in major music “greatest” lists | | 12:25 | The overlooked influence of Patti Smith and the Go-Go’s | | 14:19 | Chrissy Hynde’s Rock Hall induction, and anti-establishment stance | | 15:19 | Teaser for Rock Hall of Fame nominees discussion | | 20:04 | Listener voicemails: Nina Hagen, Wendy O. Williams, Joan Jett | | 25:35 | Listener texts: Round-up of badass women in music | | 27:05 | Community highlights, reviews, and stories | | 36:03 | Reflections on South by Southwest (SXSW) | | 38:24 | Discussion of music & movie podcast crossovers | | 41:02 | “Sports Rant”: longing for podcaster softball league | | 44:38 | Weekly recap & closing thoughts |

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Suggested Episodes and Community Engagement

• Revisit archive episodes: Ike & Tina Turner, The Go-Go’s, Madonna (44:09)
• Engage directly: 617-906-6638 (calls/texts), Disgracelandpodmail.com, Patreon access via Disgracelandpod.com
• Next week’s topic: Pete Doherty and the Mark Blanco case (17:14, 24:47)

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Final Thoughts

This After Party episode is equal parts critique, celebration, and fan forum. Hosts Jake and Seth pull no punches calling out the music establishment, while elevating trailblazing women who redefined rock. Listener interaction is central: whether it’s arguing for the “real” godmother of punk, celebrating personal faves, or sharing wild stories, the show draws energy from its obsessive, justice-minded audience. For those frustrated by the same old history—or just keen to find the truest stories—this episode welcomes you into the fold.

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Transcript

[Jake Brennan]

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[Seth]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Seth]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Seth]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Seth]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Seth]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Seth]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Seth]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Seth]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Seth]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Hank]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Jake Brennan]

Hey, discos.

[Seth]

Need a little more Disgrace Land in your life?

[Jake Brennan]

Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The After Party.

[Seth]

Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show. The party. After the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission, to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we discuss criminally underrated female rock stars. Get your thoughts on the most influential women from music history. Preview next week's episode on the Libertines, Pete Doherty and the murder he is alleged by some to have been a part of. And in the exclusive section, we dive into this year's Rock and Rol hall of Fame nominees and let you know

[Jake Brennan]

who we think is going to be inducted.

[Seth]

Plus, we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lotta Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told. The kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. Okay, in this week's episode episode of Disgraceland, we cover the incredible early career of Chrissy Hine from the Pretenders, a woman who charged through all the obstacles that were set before her and didn't stop until she got what she wanted. Which wasn't just rock stardom. It was really. She wanted to be free. She wanted freedom. She wanted freedom from her suburban surroundings. She wanted something bigger from this life and liberation through art, through rock and roll, which I don't care what era we are talking about, guys, it is no easy task. Now, if you haven't heard our full

[Jake Brennan]

episode on Chrissy Hine, you're about to

[Seth]

get some spoilers here. So I encourage you to go back just one story in the feed and

[Jake Brennan]

check that episode out.

[Seth]

But if you have already heard it, then you know that Chrissy Hine from the Pretenders, their singer that she was also nearly a member of the Clash. She was also nearly a member of the Sex Pistols and of the Damned. This blew my mind. Another fun fact. Her and Pretenders guitar player James Honeyman Scott discovered the Violent Femmes. Chrissy Hein, as we outline in our

[Jake Brennan]

story, overcame violent attacks in London, bullets

[Seth]

at Kent State, and way more to

[Jake Brennan]

eventually create the Pretenders.

[Seth]

The Pretenders.

[Jake Brennan]

The Pretenders, a great rock and roll band with a front woman who sported

[Seth]

one of the most badass, indelible and identifiable images in rock history. Seriously. In the 1980s, when the pretenders started hitting the charts for real, showing up on MTV with their early hits Back on the Chain Gang, the Middle of the Road.

[Jake Brennan]

I ask you this in all sincerity. Who was cooler than Chrissy Hine at that time?

[Seth]

Who? No one. No one, that's who.

[Jake Brennan]

She had those low black bangs, super dark eyeliner. She's like a bizarro world.

[Seth]

Debbie Harry in Ohio, Tom Petty by way of London. Chrissy Hind. Anyways, from the Pretenders defined effortless cool and artistry. And in this week's full episode on

[Jake Brennan]

Chrissy, I asked the question, who is

[Seth]

the coolest, most badass, influential female musician

[Jake Brennan]

from rock and roll history?

[Seth]

And this is a.

[Jake Brennan]

This is not an easy question, super hard question.

[Seth]

We're going to try to answer it

[Jake Brennan]

today with your voicemails, your text and your emails coming up.

[Seth]

But before that, I thought we'd look

[Jake Brennan]

at what the experts think.

[Seth]

Because, guys, newsflash, the experts in, they

[Jake Brennan]

usually don't know shit before we dive in. I should mention though, that I'm putting this episode together here in Austin, Texas, at South by Southwest, where most of

[Seth]

the great music I saw over this these last few nights was, or days

[Jake Brennan]

and nights, I should say was from women.

[Seth]

I saw an intimate set with Norah

[Jake Brennan]

Jones and Annie from St. Vincent performing. They were performing together. It was amazing. I saw a scorching set kind of by accident at the San Jose Hotel by Sana Sana.

[Seth]

And I don't like saying this, but

[Jake Brennan]

I suffered severe fomo. Am suffering severe fomo, I should say. I could have gone to see Alanis Morissette and I didn't went back to my hotel. And then I was talking to all

[Seth]

my friends the next day who went

[Jake Brennan]

and they were all blown away. It was an incredible show. I've since seen Rolling Stone, had clips on Instagram and I fucked up. I should have gone, should have gone to the Atlantis show, but I did not.

[Seth]

But anyways, all to say, this week's

[Jake Brennan]

question of the week is top of mind to say the least.

[Seth]

Okay, Anyway, to who the so called

[Jake Brennan]

experts believe is the quote unquote, greatest, most badass influential female musician from rock history. Now, of course, there's no lists that indicate such, but there are many lists that we could consult that are vaguely related to this that we could consult for this exercise. There's lots of lists ticking off the accolades of women in rock and women from music history and their contributions to culture.

[Seth]

But I think it makes more sense

[Jake Brennan]

to look at lists of both men and women, of both women and men.

[Seth]

For example, Rolling Stone, they're kind of the authority, like it or not.

[Jake Brennan]

There's no more spin, really. Cream doesn't compete. Alternative press is just too narrowly focused.

[Seth]

Mojo.

[Jake Brennan]

I didn't look at Mojo, though. But Mojo. Mojo is kind of an authority as well. But Rolling Stone's kind of the authority. Okay, so Rolling Stone magazine has A list of 100 greatest artists from rock and roll history that they. They put together in 2010. Okay, there's one woman in the top 10 on this list of 100. There's one woman. She comes in at number nine. Then we have to go way down to number 36 for the next woman on the list, and It's Madonna.

[Seth]

Only two more women are in the top 50.

[Jake Brennan]

That's Janis Joplin at 46 and Patty

[Seth]

Smith at 47, which is way too

[Jake Brennan]

low for Patti Smith. Way too low. She should be higher than Janice, I believe. Now, unbelievably, Tina Turner doesn't even make the list by herself.

[Seth]

Okay?

[Jake Brennan]

She makes it as a member of her abusive psychopathic husband's duo, Ike and Tina Turner.

[Seth]

And they're at number 61, which is

[Jake Brennan]

way too low, both for the duo, for Ike Turner individually and for Tina Turner individually. Etta James is at 62.

[Seth]

It feels like, you know, they kind

[Jake Brennan]

of bunch the women together here. They've got Janice, Janice at 46 and Patti Smith at 47. And they've got Tina Turner at 61 and Etta James at 62.

[Seth]

It's almost like they. They get down the list and they

[Jake Brennan]

go, shit, we forgot we don't have any chicks on here, man. What are we gonna do? And then they just bunch a couple. They just bunched a couple together back to back.

[Seth]

Anyhow, Tina Turner is at 61.

[Jake Brennan]

Etta James is at 62.

[Seth]

The Shirell's 76. Martha and the Vandells, 86. Diana Ross and the Supremes at 87. Chrissy Hine and the Pretenders. They don't even sniff this list. This list blows. Okay, Aretha Franklin is the artist at

[Jake Brennan]

number nine that I didn't mention earlier. I didn't mention the name of the artist. She's the only woman in the top 10, and I think she should be in the top 10 for sure. Top 10 is, is. Is tight, I gotta say. Here it is. Numbers eight through one in reverse order. Little Richard, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, Chuck Berry, Rolling Stones at four, Elvis Presley at three, Bob Dylan at two, and the Beatles at one. We could spend all episode discussing those top three. Elvis three, Bob Dylan, two Beatles at one, and what the right configuration is, but I'm not going to do that. We're having a different conversation right now. It's hard, though, to argue with the list overall, the. The top nine. Okay, again, Aretha in reverse order. Aretha, Little Richard, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, Chuck Berry, the Rolling Stones, Elvis Presley, Bob Dylan and the Beatles. Number 10, by the way, is Ray Charles. I actually think Ray Charles is too low. I think he could be higher. I think Ray Charles should be higher than Little Richard.

[Seth]

Whoa.

[Jake Brennan]

Not going to get into why that's. This is. I'm not going to derail this conversation. I want to keep it focused. Okay, But Madonna, the next most influential female artist, Madonna, way down at 37 as well. That's just wrong. First of all, forget about Madonna for a second.

[Seth]

We don't get.

[Jake Brennan]

Actually, don't forget about Madonna because we don't get Madonna without Patti Smith.

[Seth]

I would say we don't even get

[Jake Brennan]

Madonna without the Go Go's. Hear me out. Patti Smith busted down doors that we didn't even know were there. Okay?

[Seth]

And you're gonna hear about that in

[Jake Brennan]

our Patti Smith episode coming up in a couple weeks. Like two weeks, I think. Three weeks. Three weeks. April. Early April. But Patti Smith should be higher, man. Way higher.

[Seth]

Like top 20 and the go Go's. Now, I know the Go Go's are

[Jake Brennan]

basically contemporaries of Madonna. They kind of hit around the same time.

[Seth]

Go Go's broke through on MTV just a little bit earlier. But most importantly, Go Go's broke through. They wrote their own songs. They were the first group of female musicians to have a number one record with songs they themselves wrote. Okay. And this is after everybody told them

[Jake Brennan]

that they couldn't do this.

[Seth]

Basically told them they couldn't write their own songs. It's insane that they're not on this list at all. It makes absolutely no sense. And so does the exclusion of the pretender. Because in a way, Chrissy Hyde defied What rock and roll looked and sounded like for a minute there in the 1980s. I mean, really, she really did. I was there. I remember. Okay, but like I said, what do the experts know? Typically, nothing. When Chrissy Hind, however, was inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame with the Pretenders five years before this Rolling Stone list came out. Okay, so look, they go ahead and

[Jake Brennan]

they make the list.

[Seth]

Chrissy Hines in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame and they leave her off the list.

[Jake Brennan]

It doesn't make any sense.

[Seth]

I'm not saying take off, you know, the Shirell's or Diana, but I mean, come on. Anyhow, when she's inducted in 2005, Chrissy

[Jake Brennan]

was cool enough to recognize that the

[Seth]

hall of Fame, like this Rolling Stone list is fucking lame and called it out as a lame example of establishment backslapping and just said that it has nothing to do with rock and roll and they're abso.

[Jake Brennan]

Right.

[Seth]

Despite how hard they try, they will forever be the antithesis of rock and roll.

[Jake Brennan]

That said, if they want to induct

[Seth]

me as the first podcaster, I will buy my own. My own travel fair.

[Jake Brennan]

Kidding. No, I'm not.

[Seth]

Anyhow, she was right. Patti Smith is right.

[Jake Brennan]

Excuse me? Chrissy Hine was right. Patti Smith was right too, about a lot of things. But Chrissy Hines, who we're talking about, and she was right.

[Seth]

And anyways, I'm looking forward to hearing

[Jake Brennan]

your takes on not only Chrissy Hine, but on our question of the week on the greatest female musicians from music history. And that's going to come up in a minute. All right, we're going to get to that. Your voicemails, your texts, your emails, get to hear from you guys. Now, speaking, however, of the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. The nominees were announced a couple weeks ago. We got a lot going on over here at double level sick.

[Seth]

You probably might not be able to tell. Maybe you can, but there's been a

[Jake Brennan]

lot going on and we didn't even mention the Rock and Roll hall of Fame nominations, which we typically have some fun with. There's a brief little conversation in the Patreon chat, but we haven't spent much time on the subject.

[Seth]

But we will be.

[Jake Brennan]

We will be spending time on it today. In the exclusive section of this after party, Seth and I are going to be discussing what we think of this year's nominees and who we think is going to get inducted.

[Seth]

It's just a wild list.

[Jake Brennan]

It's important.

[Seth]

It's almost impossible to predict who gets in or why.

[Jake Brennan]

They're even nominated.

[Seth]

And we all kind of have our

[Jake Brennan]

own ideas of what warrants a nomination, nevermind an induction. Anyways, that's going on in the exclusive section of this after party. Coming up, go to disgraceandpod.com to sign up to become an all access member. You want to get in there with the other discos in the Patreon chat, chop it up about wild stories from music history, whatever's going on in music at the moment. Again, go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up for exclusive content like this conversation Seth and I are going to be having, as well as ad free content.

[Seth]

Okay, but before, before all that, before

[Jake Brennan]

we get into the exclusive section and before your voicemails and texts and emails, a quick rundown of what is happening in Disgraceland this week.

[Seth]

This week, like I said, we've got

[Jake Brennan]

our Chrissy Hine episode that's available for you. All right, we've got, coming up next right after this here bonus episode, we have our rewind episode, which we do every week, which you guys dip into the archive of over 200 and jeez, I don't know, 65 episodes by now. And we, we pull one out of a hat.

[Seth]

This week it's Waylon Jennings. We got Waylon Jennings, the original outlaw.

[Jake Brennan]

Well, I don't know about the original,

[Seth]

but he kind of, he's kind of

[Jake Brennan]

the avatar for outlaw country. Waylon Jennings is coming up in our rewind slot this week right after this.

[Seth]

And then next Tuesday, brand new episode

[Jake Brennan]

on Mr. Kate Moss.

[Seth]

That would be Pete Daugherty of the Libertines.

[Jake Brennan]

It's hard to describe this Pete Daugherty story.

[Seth]

I believe that it's one of the

[Jake Brennan]

most underreported stories in rock and roll. The story of the rock star Pete Daugherty and the death of the playwright Mark Blanco, first reported as a suicide, then an accident, and suspected by many to be a murder. Now, when you're listening to this episode, be thinking about how Mark Blanco died and let me know if you think he died by accident, as authorities claim, or if he was murdered and by who or whom. Which is it? Who or whom? Murdered by whom? Do you believe Pete Daugherty had anything

[Seth]

to do with his death?

[Jake Brennan]

Let me know. 617-906-6638. Call me and text me with your answers. Email disgracelampodmail.com and you might hear your answer on next week's Disgraceland bonus episode.

[Seth]

Your answers to this week's question of

[Jake Brennan]

the week on Chrissy Hine on which female artists are the most influential from rock and music history. Coming up, your answers to this week's question of the week on Chrissy Hine. I try to say that like Terry Gross, I didn't do it well. Anyways, back in the flash. Protein is now at Starbucks and it's never tasted so good.

[Seth]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Seth]

All right, we are back, guys.

[Jake Brennan]

Oh man, what a couple days. Awesome couple days. I'll talk about it more later. I want to get into your your stuff here. I've been talking too much.

[Seth]

617-906-6638. Voicemail and text Question of the week.

[Jake Brennan]

We're trying to answer which female artists from music history are the most badass, the most influential, the most consequential. Let's check out this voicemail from the 41 4.

[Caller Amy/Clint]

Hey Jake, this is Amy from Milwaukee. I'm calling to respond to who's the most badass woman in rock? That is Nina Hagen. Nina Hagen is beyond amazing. She has been around. She's still here, she's still performing, and she is amazing. She's the godmother of punk rock and she will be forever. Bye.

[Seth]

Wait a minute.

[Jake Brennan]

Wait a minute, Amy. Wait a minute.

[Seth]

I just did about a week and

[Jake Brennan]

a half's worth of research on Patti

[Seth]

Smith and I was told that Patti

[Jake Brennan]

Smith is the godmother of punk. I actually think Patti Smith has a different title. We're going to get into that in the Patti Smith episode, but I want to know more about Nina Hagen. I know a little bit about her, not much. And I'm super interested to know what kind of crimey little juicy true crime details there might be from Nina Hagen's past that might warrant an episode on her and a way for me to kind of dive in and learn more about her myself and hopefully bring her story to all the discos. Get at me, Amy.

[Seth]

Get back.

[Jake Brennan]

If you don't want to call, just

[Seth]

send me a text.

[Jake Brennan]

Let me know what you know about Nina Hagen. All right. 617-906-6638.

[Seth]

The 251 calls in with this message.

[Caller Andrew/Matt]

Hi, Jake, this is Andrew from Brooklyn. Most badass female musician. Gotta be Wendy O. Williams. Thank you. Bye bye.

[Seth]

No, thank you, Andrew. Appreciate the call. Wendy O. Williams. I hear you. Supremely badass.

[Jake Brennan]

Another one that I'm not super familiar

[Seth]

with and I'm excited to start researching.

[Jake Brennan]

We've got her on the list for an episode coming up in a couple months, so Wendy O. Williams will be coming your way in Disgraceland shortly. Andrew, thank you for the call.

[Seth]

Let's dig into the 724.

[Caller Amy/Clint]

Hey, Jake, this is Clint. 724, Western Pennsylvania. In response to your badass ass female Rock. Rock and roll. It's gotta be Joan Jett. She's been true to her roots from the time she started out as a minor in the 70s. She's been through the. Been through the ringer. Stuck to her attitude, stuck to her rock and roll. Gotta be Joan Jett, bro. All right. Hey, thanks for the show. You do a great job.

[Seth]

Appreciate you out there in Western Pennsylvania. Can't argue with Joan Jett. I hope you dug our Runaways episode. Also, Clint, let me know if you've

[Jake Brennan]

seen the light of day.

[Seth]

Fun fact, the Light of Day, Joan Jett, Michael J.

[Jake Brennan]

Fox film came out in the 80s. The first show I ever played on tour with my band was in Ohio. Cleveland, Ohio, at the Euclid Tavern where they filmed Light of Day. We drove straight from Queens. Cast Iron Hike in Stillsuit all crammed into 1V. And it was gonna say it was a lot of fun. There's about four people there. But hey, we didn't care. We thought we were like Black flag in the 80s out there grinding. We kind of were in our own little way.

[Seth]

Anyway, shout out to the Euclid Tavern in Joan Jet. Light of Day, pretty good movie.

[Jake Brennan]

Haven't seen it since it came out. I don't know. 7, 8, 1. Let's check out what they get to say.

[Caller Andrew/Matt]

What up, Jake? It's your boy checking in. I just wanted to call you and tell you I was having a shit morning and I was listening to the bonus episode, what music do serial killers listen to? And the part about John Wayne Gacy running around in his clown outfit listening to Benny Hill. I mean, thank you. Thank you so much, bro. Like you just put a smile on my face and made my commute better. I hope all is well. Keep up the good work and just

[Seth]

disco ish, my man. Love this call. I think you just, you just play the Benny Hill music and, and you just, you can't help but feel good. You can't help but laugh. Matt, Matt, give us a little Benny Hill. See, now we all feel a little better, don't we? We do. It's just, it's magic. I don't know what it is. It's so dumb. Especially when you're thinking of John Way Gacy running around listening to, listening to it. And does clown get. Oh, yeah, yeah. This is just kind of the gift

[Jake Brennan]

that keeps on giving.

[Seth]

617-906-6638 guys, voicemail and text. Don't forget. Hit me about next week's question of the week. We're going to be getting into this

[Jake Brennan]

topic of Pete Doherty and the murder mystery. Again. Super underreported story and I've been coming

[Seth]

across a lot of these lately where it's just like it's the type of story where I don't think it's unfinished.

[Jake Brennan]

I think there's a lot left to be uncovered there. Super true crimey. And again, the question is, after you hear our episode, do you think that, do you think that Mark Blanco, that his death at that party with Pete from the Libertines was an accident or do you think he was murdered? Hit me up and Let me know. 617-906-6638 voicemail.

[Seth]

You can also text me if you want. You don't feel like talking into the talky talk box.

[Jake Brennan]

You can just send a text. Lots of people text. We got the 5, 4, 1 here. Texting in.

[Seth]

Hey Jake, Tom from the 541 here. Excellent job on the Chrissy Hind episode.

[Jake Brennan]

She's one of my all time favorites

[Seth]

and the most badass.

[Jake Brennan]

But there are many others.

[Seth]

Here are a few. Joan Jett, Brody, Dahl from the Distillers. Kathleen Hannah, Bikini Kill. Carrie Brownstein, Slater Kenny Kim Gordon, Sonic Youth. So many more but I'll leave it there.

[Jake Brennan]

Peace. Yeah, Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth might be tops on my list. Supremely badass. Cool thing the way she's talking to Chuck D in that song that was originally written for LL Cool J but he wouldn't do it. Just so awesome. And Carrie Brownstein. Yeah, I was walking into a hotel one night in New York and it was really late and I noticed that I was sort of walking in with Carrie Brownstein and I wanted to say something, but I didn't because it would have been weird. It was like two in the morning. But she just looks so badass. She looked like way more rock star than. Than she does that on Portlandia, of course. But even on stage she just kind of had this aura to her that was just super cool. And I was just kind of like, yeah, respect.

[Seth]

You go. All right. I dig that Brody doll. Yeah, badass. Super badass. And awesome, by the way too.

[Jake Brennan]

Great, Great. Just a great musician. Love the Distillers. Tough to fuck with Kathleen. Hannah here. You got a great list.

[Seth]

Great list.

[Jake Brennan]

Tom in the five four one. Appreciate you.

[Seth]

904 writing in. Never received the shirt. Listen, 904, that shirt's coming.

[Jake Brennan]

I shouldn't say shirt. It's merch. It's merch.

[Seth]

I know I mentioned you a couple weeks back on the bonus episode, but here's the deal. I've mail these out once a month. I can't be going to the post

[Jake Brennan]

office every week or even every two weeks if I'm lucky. I get there once a month. I try to get there once a month so it will come. Some of you might be listening and I know you're like, what do you mean? Who, who? Who did you miss? Who? What? What are you sending? Well, I send merch to people who leave reviews for Disgrace Land that I end up reading. And not everyone who leaves a review, but if you leave leave a review on Apple podcasts or Spotify and I select it and I read it here on the podcast and you get in touch with me, if you text me 617 906-6638 like the 904 here and I read your review and you text me and you give me like a shirt size or something, then I will send some awesomeness your way as a little thank you. All right. Now, not everybody leaves a review, gets one. But most. Well, not most. A lot of people do. Your chances aren't none is what I'm saying. I just ask you to be patient. It's a common. Speaking of reviews, we got this one

[Seth]

on Apple podcast from DW155. DW DW gives five stars. Says Am. I love these podcasts. I've listened to every available episode of both Disgraceland and Hollywoodland and I just

[Jake Brennan]

want to say how important these shows have become to me.

[Seth]

I was recently interviewed for a Spotlight in my company's newsletter and social media

[Jake Brennan]

and I knew they were going to

[Seth]

ask me for podcast, movie or music recommendations because it was mentioned in the pre interview email. But during the actual interview, podcast never came up. So when she asked at the end if I had anything else to add, I made a point to mention how big a fan I am of these shows. Shows if you're on the fence about listening, stop reading this and just hit play. It's amazing. Yo DW155DW, hit us up man. 617-906-6638 I said man, but I don't

[Jake Brennan]

know if you're a man or a woman.

[Seth]

Whatever you are, get at us and

[Jake Brennan]

we will get you some merch for that wonderful positive review.

[Seth]

G Ward 2 on Spotify. Anne and Nancy Wilson of Heart are the best female rockers in my mind. Just listen to Barracuda and then of course Janis Joplin.

[Jake Brennan]

I look forward to every episode for from Disgraceland and Hollywoodland, the afterparty, et cetera.

[Seth]

Keep them coming from Jeanette. Jeanette, get in touch with us.

[Jake Brennan]

617-906-6638 Jeanette's kind of combining a review there with the question of the week with her answer. You can do that. You can do whatever you want.

[Seth]

5, 3, 0, text in biggest badass female. Another one clearly Wendy Williams.

[Jake Brennan]

That's what they're saying.

[Seth]

Lots of people with the Wendy.

[Jake Brennan]

Wendy Williams.

[Seth]

You guys are Gonna love this episode. 949 Text in in regards to our conversation last week about serial killers and the music that they listen to. John Wayne Gacy. Listen to Elton John. How do I know this? I was a pen pal of his. Gacy had a questionnaire he would send to people who wrote to him. And when he sent me the questionnaire, I said I'd complete one if he would too. And he did. One of the questions on it was about music that we both listened to

[Jake Brennan]

and Elton John as a favorite. Oh my. Wow. I'm just. Yo, 949.

[Seth]

Thank you also. I hope you're good.

[Jake Brennan]

949.

[Seth]

Appreciate you. I was talking to a friend the

[Jake Brennan]

other night and I decided. You mentioned pen pals. I decided I'm going to become pen pals with Tom Hanks because it's not hard. I know how to do this. I don't know Tom Hanks, but I know how to become a pen pal of his. And I'm not going to give it away, but a friend of mine does know Tom Hanks a little bit doesn't know him. I don't want to oversell his connection to him, but he basically My friend of mine's in a band and Tom's a fan of his band and they hung out about a year ago. So the whole nature of my pen pal correspondence that I'm going to take up with Tom Hanks, I'm just going to talk shit about my friend that he knows.

[Seth]

And I'm very excited about this, actually. I have to get a couple props together.

[Jake Brennan]

I don't want to give too much away, but I'm looking forward to this. It's going to be fun.

[Seth]

617-906-6638 Disgraceland pod on the socials as well.

[Jake Brennan]

If you want to hit me up there on Instagram or TikTok, that's really where I'm going to respond to you. Maybe Facebook, probably not. X. It's hard.

[Seth]

It's hard to keep all the correspondence

[Jake Brennan]

going on all the damn channels, man.

[Seth]

Lee writes in hey Jake, I hope you check out the Killing. It's intense and fantastic. Be well, Lee. Were we talking about that last week, the Killing? Because the Killing has been on my mind. Did I mention it? Because it's one of Patti Smith's favorites and that came up in the research?

[Jake Brennan]

I think so. I think so. I haven't checked it out yet, but I'm excited to.

[Seth]

I gotta get through Love Story first.

[Jake Brennan]

I gotta get through Jon. Jon and Carolyn Bessette got pretty rocky this last week for Carolyn. God, this show is trash. But I love it. I do. I just fucking love it. But I'm excited to get into the Killing. Not gonna lie.

[Seth]

Karen Curtin sends us an email. She says, thanks. Many, many thanks for profiling Townes Van Zant. He was a genius and a poet

[Jake Brennan]

for his and our times.

[Seth]

If you haven't seen it, I recommend the 2018 film Blaze, directed by Ethan Hawke, based on the life of Blaise Foley. Townes Van Zant is portrayed by Charlie Sextant, brilliant female rocker series. Me and Bestie are headed to London next month to see Susie Quatro, Detroit's finest. She's gonna perform and she can still bring it. I scrolled through back episodes of Disgraceland

[Jake Brennan]

and didn't see an episode.

[Seth]

Just a suggestion. She was a force of nature, a relatively new listener. Bringing more converts to your podcast, KC and slc.

[Jake Brennan]

KC Writing down here, Nina Hagen from that earlier correspondence and Susie Quatro, because neither are on our list and I'm going to put them on there.

[Seth]

Guess who I saw a couple days

[Jake Brennan]

ago just, you know, walking on the street. One Charlie Sexton, who you bring up,

[Seth]

who you can imagine looks cool AF still to this day. Guy's been on the scene since, I

[Jake Brennan]

don't know, he's like 17. He's always looked badass and cool.

[Seth]

And yeah, I did see Blaze. It's amazing.

[Jake Brennan]

It's incredible.

[Seth]

It's actually what made me want to

[Jake Brennan]

do the Townes Van Zant episode. We will do a Blaze Foley episode at some point in addition to Susie Quatro. Thanks for getting at us, Karen Curtin. Appreciate you.

[Seth]

Disgracelandpodmail.com Guys, you want to email me like Karen, you want to get in touch about anything, go for it.

[Jake Brennan]

I'm gonna be back in the flash.

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[Jake Brennan]

All right, I am back.

[Seth]

Back in the saddle today.

[Jake Brennan]

I started putting my thoughts together for this episode when I was in Austin at South by Southwest. Now I'm recording. Today I'm back home and I had a great time. I really did. I think I had the best time at south by Southwest that I've had in about a decade. I've been going to south by Southwest I think since 2003 when I was in. When I was in bands and playing solo and hanging out and just. But, you know, at a certain point, it just got to be like, work. And I went a couple years ago, and I really didn't want to go. And I was trying to remember the last time I was excited to go to south by Southwest, and I couldn't. I was telling my. My wife before I went, I was like, you know, I'm really excited this time. She was like, what?

[Seth]

Because it's.

[Jake Brennan]

It's. It's. For those who haven't gone, it sounds. I'm sure it sounds great, but it is overwhelming. And it has become like this behemoth of an event that just. You gotta kind of, like. It can suck you in. It's like a. It'll suck you in like a. Like a washing machine and just spin you around and you'll come out all wet and twist it up. It's just. It's just. It can do that to you, I guess, age or something. I know how to do it now. And I just. I saw a bunch of friends I haven't seen in a really, really long time.

[Seth]

I just realized how.

[Jake Brennan]

How long it's been since. Since I got out there and just, you know, kind of did the thing and I did the thing, and I had a great time reconnecting with people. I saw. I did a little performance with some friends that you'll hear about soon. We've got a. A big announcement we're going to make in relation to that big, big, big, huge. The huge kind of once in every couple years kind kind of announcement, and connected, like I said, with a bunch of friends. Saw some good live podcasts, saw some good live music, went to the award show, supported some of my friends. It was just great. It was fun. It's a blast. Travel sucked on the way back, but I didn't care. I was watching the big Lebowski on

[Seth]

the plane last night, Was supposed to watch it last week. Didn't get to it. Got to it on the plane, though.

[Jake Brennan]

And I didn't have plane tears, you know, that's the thing.

[Seth]

I had plane laughs, though.

[Jake Brennan]

I was laughing my ass off. Guy next to me knew why, and he understood. He understood. I think he was like a pro ballplayer or something. Guy was huge. He just looked like a baseball player. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, though. He could have been anything. Could have been a fireman. Anyhow, he was telling me that his dad is. This is his favorite movie, and I told him I saw it in the theaters when it came out. And then I felt old because I realized I probably could have been this guy's dad. He was a full grown man.

[Seth]

Anyhow, the movie, I was watching it,

[Jake Brennan]

not just because it's fantastic and I love it. I was watching it because Zeth and I are profiling it. And this film should be played, and we are going to film that tomorrow. That podcast, the fourth installment of our video podcast, this film should be played loud, which you can hear exclusively on the Patreon app, where we focus on the great, tremendous culture defining music from our favorite movies.

[Seth]

Big Lebowski, like I said, is our fourth installment.

[Jake Brennan]

We've previously covered Boogie Nights, Trainspotting, and Goodfellas. And if you want to watch any of those, I gotta say, first, they're fucking hysterical. Second, super informative. You're gonna get information on this music that you probably didn't know or have relative to the movie, of course, but just in general. And they're just really fun. I just, I just have this. Such a best, such, Such the best time. I have the best time. I have such a great time making these and putting them together with Seth. And really, I've said this before, the convergence of music and movies coming together. It's, you know, aside from my kids and family and all that stuff, it might be my favorite thing on the planet. It's really tremendous. You know, if God was like, hey,

[Seth]

you can have one thing to entertain

[Jake Brennan]

yourself with for the rest of your life. It can only be one thing. Is it going to be like records? Is it going to be books? Is it going to be movies? It would be movies and music. I would just be like, give me, give me movies with great soundtracks. That's what I want. Great needle drops. That's the thing. And now we're bringing that thing to you guys.

[Seth]

You got to be a Patreon member, though.

[Jake Brennan]

Go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up. Cop that super easy. You're also going to get ad free listening, all kinds of stuff. And I mentioned I do this. I do this with Zeth. I do a lot with Zeus. That's in the exclusive section of this podcast. Coming up in a minute. And Seth is sort of behind the. He's helming Nuts, sort of. He is absolutely helming the Hollywoodland podcast feed these days. We have the archive episodes in there that hit once a week. And then we build. We build a little theme around that for the week and in what we're calling the wrap party episode with Seth. And the screening room episode as well. The wrap party talks about the subject of that week's full episode. The screening room hits on that and previews whatever film we're all going to be watching together that weekend. And then we're going to come back top of the week in the rap

[Seth]

party and, you know, keep it all

[Jake Brennan]

going again, move on to the next movie subject.

[Seth]

That's how we do. And there's a true crime angle to all of it.

[Jake Brennan]

It's important. It's what makes it different. It's what makes it special. It's what makes it Hollywood Land. It's what makes it double Elvis. We're not just giving you the same same rote Hollywood history that you've heard a gazillion times you can get anywhere else. We're giving it to you through the lens of true crime and the transgression of the actors, actresses, directors, movie moguls, whomever. Okay? That's Hollywoodland. Make sure you're subscribed on Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio app, Spotify, wherever. All right? Get that for you. It's gonna make you feel better. Trust me. All right, you know what time it is now. It is time for the sports rant

[Seth]

sponsored by Five Hour Energy and their Fruity rainbow flavor. Treat your taste buds to an explosion

[Jake Brennan]

of fruity candy flavor with a tasty caffeine kick.

[Seth]

Get candy flavor chaos with fruity rainbow 5 hour energy shots online at www.5hourenergy.com or Amazon. So I'm a baseball nerd. Baseball nut. I coach my kids baseball team.

[Jake Brennan]

I just love it.

[Seth]

I still, in the back of my head, feel like I can play. I can't, but I feel like I can. And I tried joining, like, a men's softball team, but I didn't really try that hard.

[Jake Brennan]

And I never kind of got through

[Seth]

the signups and it just.

[Jake Brennan]

Why are there.

[Seth]

Why is there no, like, Podcaster softball league? Okay, all right. Why doesn't this exist? You know, we need to start this. And it can be a travel league.

[Jake Brennan]

It's not hard.

[Seth]

We all come together. We do a little tournament, like once, twice a year. Got the Double Elvis Disgraceland team, the Stuff youf Should Know team, the Tenderfoot team. And here's why. I'm at this event, south by Southwest. And like, every time I get to see my fellow podcasters, it's always in these sort of just like strictly industry things, which is cool. I'm not complaining. I'm not complaining, but I'm saying we need other Other events, okay. Or perhaps maybe at these events we create this super fun thing to do. Like the Eagles.

[Jake Brennan]

The band Eagles. Fucking hate the Eagles, man. You know what I'm talking about.

[Seth]

They used to have their own little softball tournament. They used to be the rock and jock MTV era of softball tournaments.

[Jake Brennan]

Remember that?

[Seth]

That's what I'm talking about. Gotta do something like that for podcasting. I know. I have friends out there who listen

[Jake Brennan]

to this show who make podcasts. Get in touch and let me know what you think. I'm lamenting the fact that this does

[Seth]

not exist, which I guess that technically makes this a rant, but I don't know. It's sportsy, it's ranty, and that's why

[Jake Brennan]

it's here in the sports rant.

[Seth]

Matt, how did I do? Did I nail the 60 second sports

[Jake Brennan]

rant in under 30 seconds or the

[Seth]

30 second sports rant and under 60 seconds? I can't remember what the hell we're talking about.

[Jake Brennan]

Either way, that was the sports rant

[Seth]

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[Jake Brennan]

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[Seth]

Once again, you can get in on the candy flavored chaos online at www.fivehenergy.com or or Amazon today. Listen, the exclusive section of this after party, it's not going to listen to itself. All right, Me and Zeth talking about this year's rock and roll nominees and who we think is going to get inducted in a couple weeks. If you are not an all access member of Disgraceland, now is the time www.gracelandpod.com to sign up.

[Jake Brennan]

Get in here. Back in.

[Seth]

All right, guys, we are back.

[Jake Brennan]

And I mentioned so many artists today. I'm gonna keep it short, though. Ike and Tina Turner, the Go Go's, Madonna.

[Seth]

Those are the archive episodes you want

[Jake Brennan]

to listen to if you have not listened to them yet. Matt Bowden from Devil Elvis will have the episode information in the show notes section of this bonus episode so that you can easily navigate your way.

[Seth]

Like I said to Ike and Tina

[Jake Brennan]

Turner, the Go Go's and Madonna, three of my favorite episodes right there.

[Seth]

I put those episodes up against any

[Jake Brennan]

other episode in the history of podcasts. Okay? I love those three episodes. You're going to love them too. If you haven't heard them, go check them out.

[Seth]

All right, let's recap, shall we? This week we got our new episode on Chrissy. Hi for from the Pretenders that's available

[Jake Brennan]

for you right now.

[Seth]

We are rewinding into the archive tomorrow

[Jake Brennan]

with our rewind episode on Waylon Jennings.

[Seth]

Next week, we get into our new episode on Pete Doherty in the murder

[Jake Brennan]

mystery surrounding Mark Blanco. That's coming on Tuesday.

[Seth]

Seth's over in that Hollywoodland feed right

[Jake Brennan]

now with his Hollywood and true crime takes. Get over there and subscribe if you are not subscribed already.

[Seth]

Number five, this film should be played loud. Our new video podcast is available on

[Jake Brennan]

Patreon thisgraceandpod.com to sign up. We've got a new episode coming on the Big lebowski next week.

[Seth]

Number six, 617906, 6638. Your voice. It keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you want to talk about. Nina Hagen, Susie Quatro. Duly noted, guys. All right. Wendy O. Williams as well. Number seven. Don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's. It's a community. A community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do.

[Jake Brennan]

And that is a disgrace.

[Seth]

All right. On May 14, 2005, that was the day that the pretenders, along with Chrissy Hine, of course, were inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. And here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the billboard charts. Number one, Hollaback Girl, Gwen Stefani. Last week one. Peak position one weeks on chart seven. Number two, Hate it or Love it, the Game featuring 50 Cent. Last week two peak position two weeks on chart 14. Number three, oh, Sierra featuring Ludicrous. Last week five. Peak position three weeks on chart eight. Number four, Lonely eight. Eight Kong. Last week four. Peak position four weeks on churn.

[Jake Brennan]

12.

[Seth]

Number five. Just a little bit 57. Last week, 14. Peak position five weeks on churn.

[Jake Brennan]

Quit talking and start mixing.

[Seth]

Cut it.

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