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Give and get. Timeless holiday staples that last this season with quints. Go to quints.com disgraceland for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q U I n c e.com Disgraceland Free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com Disgraceland hey, discos. Need a little more Disgraceland in your life? Just a touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the afterparty. This is the show after the show, the party, after the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission, to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story on this bonus episode, we're talking about music that the Incel movement loves. What we're digging into the greatest rock and roll records of all time, thanks to our new episode on AC DC, rewinding back to U2 and the murder of Rebecca Schaeffer. Previewing next week's new episode on fish, we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, and, as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. In 1985, they blamed ACDC for inspiring serial killer Richard Ramirez. In 1989, actress Rebecca Schaefer's murderer, Robert John Bardo, claimed U2 compelled him to kill. In 2018, Scott Borelli walked into a Florida yoga studio and shot and killed two women, wounding several others, before taking his own life. Music has always been an easy scapegoat, but it's never the songs. It's always who these killers already were. Schiaparelli was an incel, part of a group of involuntarily celibate men, young aggrieved dudes who believe the women who reject them and the more traditionally masculine men who outshine them exist to keep them down. This is also a group whose members have killed before and will kill again. And it's a group that loves music. Jazzy Lupito 988 M3ME's scissor with one C and a Z. These are the online usernames for the creators of Spotify Incel playlists with titles like Incel Virgin Loser Corps, Chronically Online, Autistic 4chan, Suicidal and Real Older Brother Niche Weird Kid Incel Indie Underground Loser Corps. If there's one theme that ties the songs on these playlists together, it's isolation. Songs like Just by Radiohead, Scott Pilgrim versus the World ruined a whole generation of women by Negative xp, In the Airplane, by the Sea by Neutral Milk Hotel, and an excellent and batshit crazy cover of Dion's 1959 hit Teenager in Love by Birdbath. The music is angsty and irreverent and lives on the nerdier side of the street. More Rivers Cuomo and Less Kurt Cobain and lots and lots of Morrissey. The Smiths occupy a special place in Incel music playlist culture. There are entire Incel playlists dedicated to Tunes penned by Stephen Patrick Morrissey and Johnny Marr. And it makes sense. Few bands in the last 50 years have better captured despair and alienation. And not to mention the fact that Morrissey for much of his career publicly identified as celibate. When incel Scott Borelli killed two women and injured five others before taking his own life in a Tallahassee hot yoga studio, he did so after posting his own music online. Angry, sneering, hostile songs. Not metal, not hardcore rap, but instead lo fi rejection rock rage turned inward. Not dissimilar from Radiohead or the Smiths or, well, most of the music populating the incel playlist online universe. I'm not suggesting music played a part in Scott Borelli's motivation, nor am I blaming musicians for inspiring incels to murder. But it's only a matter of time before someone does. The 2018 Toronto van attack where a self described incel murdered 11 in an effort to incite a so called incel rebellion. The 2014 Isla Vista killings when a 22 year old man murdered six and injured 14 others in an attempt to punish women who rejected him and the sexually active men he believed humiliated him. These are just two of what are numerous examples of incel killings. Eventually there will be more murder committed by young men who are chronically online, detached from reality and obsessing over music. Algorithms now feed grievance faster than ever. Music, like politics and religion, is just another on ramp for the aggrieved. For those who Paul Schrader and Thomas Wolfe once called God's lonely man, it turns out the modern version of God's Lonely man has pretty good taste in music. Just like Richard Ramirez, who envisioned himself as the killer in ACDC's Night Prowler, and Robert John Bardo, who was obsessed with U2's exit. But music isn't the murder weapon. Music is the mirror. AC DC's night prowler wasn't a command When Bon Scott whispered about slipping into someone's room after dark, he was setting fictional pulp horror lyrics over a menacing beat. Richard Ramirez didn't hear instructions on how to kill. He felt recognition. God's lonely man felt seen. U2's exit did the same for Robert John Bardo. Bono wrote the tune as a character study of a man undone by violence and faith, a spiritual collapse. But to Bardo, a mentally ill man obsessed with fame, all he heard was a soundtrack to his own delusion. The same dynamic is at play with modern incel music. These playlists don't inspire violence, they reflect it. They echo the delusions of the men obsessing over them. The music isn't radicalizing them, it's validating their despair. Again, the music is the mirror, not the weapon. The problems consuming the Incel community go much deeper than music. These are young men raised online, coddled and medicated as children, brought up in low to no stakes social environments, and who are helplessly unequipped to function in the real world, outcasts as alienated as the musicians whose songs fill their playlists. It's only a matter of time before they kill again. And when they do, people will eventually point to Incel music as a scapegoat and smash the mirror instead of looking into what it shows us. And that will be a disgrace. I'll be back after this with your calls, texts, voicemails and more. 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And we thought that made this a perfect time to look back, see what the hell we did and why the show still seems to resonate with fans around the world today. Follow and listen to How We Made youe Mother wherever you get your podcasts. Come to DSW for the shoes. Stay for the fun. Because let's be honest, if shoe shopping isn't fun, are you even doing it right? So go ahead, try something new. Try something different, Good different. Try something that feels like you. You know, the real you. And then definitely brag about it later. Because at DSW you can got unlimited freedom to play. Find the shoes that get you at prices that get your budget at DSW stores or@dsw.com Let us surprise you. All right, we are back. And speaking of the question about music inspiring death and destruction, we're going to set our sights away from the dark corners of the incel Internet and turn to the Philippines for a little peeling back of the onion of the My Way killings. These are the murders inspired by Frank Sinatra's My Way Toon. You know, that makes sense. This might be the weirdest social phenomenon that I've ever heard of. This is the thing where numerous people in the Philippines were killed in connection to their performance of the song in karaoke bars. Seth and I knew very little about this until recently. And we're going to unpack this wild story in today's exclusive portion of this here after party, which you can hear by becoming an all access member of Disgraceland. For just five bucks a month, you get additional exclusive content like this ad, free listening and more. Go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up before prices go up at the end of this month. All right, so I landed on this incel playlist topic earlier because this week in Disgraceland we launched our AC DC Part two episode along with rewinding our part one story. And that story deals with the band being blamed for inspiring Richard Ramirez, the serial killer. And our rewind episode this week is on U2. And with that episode, we have more killer inspiration with Robert John Bardo and the Rebecca schaer murder. That U2 episode will be available in tomorrow's rewind spot coming up right after this episode. Lots of music this week supposedly inspiring murder, but I'm done talking about that. Okay, I want to talk about a theme that we hit on in our new episode, our new ACDC episode this week. Great rock and roll records. The greatest rock and roll records. This question was prompted, of course, because ACDC's album back in Black was for a minute there, the greatest selling album of all time. Not just the greatest selling rock record of all time, the greatest selling album of all time. A couple years later, Michael Jackson's Thriller came along and topped it. But still Back in Black, still sitting there in the number two spot. So that prompted our question, what's the greatest rock and roll record of all time? We're gonna hear your answers here. And I gotta, I gotta say, pretty surprised by the consensus from you guys. Semi consensus from you guys on this topic. Gonna give you my answer after we hear from you guys. Vastly different from where you're coming from. Well, let's. Without further ado, let's check out Junior in the 71 4.
