Bonus Episode: Extreme Music, Extremely Bad Things, and Always Doing the Right Thing - DISGRACELAND

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Dr. Lundy
This is exactly right. Double Elvis.
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Zeth
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Jake Brennan
Goodbye.
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Zeth
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Dr. Lundy
It was from an unknown number.
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Zeth
Who else is getting these messages?
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Dr. Lundy
Why did it start with us?
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Zeth
To long cons and stolen identities.
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Dr. Lundy
Who lies about being this sick? This was the last time I ever
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Jake Brennan
believed a word she said.
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Zeth
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Dr. Lundy
Hey discos.
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Jake Brennan
Need a little more Disgrace Land in your life?
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Dr. Lundy
Just a touch to get you through.
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Jake Brennan
Yeah, me too.
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Dr. Lundy
This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland Bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the After Party. This is the show after the Show. The party. After the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth. To confront the myth. To reclaim the story. On this bonus episode the person that you expected to be here behind the mic, talking to all of you beautiful people out there. The man, the myth, the legend, Jake Brennan. Jake is stuck, man. He's at the airport. He's at the terminal. He's hanging on the telephone. Flight after flight canceled. And so just like he is stuck in aviation purgatory, so too, you are stuck with me. Today, the good doctor, Dr. Lundy, talking about extreme music and extreme moments from music history. Plus, we've got a brand new spanking episode of this film should be played loud to talk about. All right, discos, let's get into it. True. Guys, this is a first. The afterparty will not be hosted by Jake as usual today. This is not a drill. This ain't no prank. I'm not fooling. As Def Leppard would say. I was absolutely telling you the truth earlier. Typically, the way this works is that Jake writes and records these after party episodes on Wednesdays. He and I tape the exclusive all access portion on Wednesdays as well. And then, of course, they're released into the wild on Thursdays. But Jake called me on Tuesday afternoon this week. He's been traveling with his family, and he called me to say that his flight home that night had been canceled. And by the time his rescheduled flight got him back on the saddle the next day, he wouldn't have enough time to write and record the after party. So here we are. I'm like, you know, Elvis Costello when he used to guest host for Letterman when Letterman went on vacation, and I'm psyched to be here, actually. You know, I really am talking with all you discos because you guys are the best. You know that. And I know that a lot of you are already probably familiar with my voice since I host the rap party over in our sister show Hollywoodland. But all that said, thanks for bearing with us here. And you know, like Steve Wynwood once said, you gotta roll with it. Speaking of roll with it, that's a song that the band Slipknot would likely never cover. Well, I don't know. Never say never. Did you guys know that way back in the day, way back in the early days of Slipknot, they covered the Humpty Dance by Digital Underground. Hell yeah, man. My name is Humpty, pronounced with an umpty. How I'd like to funk thee Slipknot. Definitely one of the most extreme sounding bands we've ever covered here in Disgraceland. I was thinking about the other bands and artists that we've covered that are in A similar extreme sounding zone. There's Mayhem and Birds and all the bands at the center of the Norwegian black metal scene that we covered way back in season one. There's Gigi Allen, we covered him in season two, Pantera. And the murder of Dimebag Darrell. Metallica, early Metallica, which features in our story about the tragic death of their original bassist, Cliff Burton. Pentagram, perhaps. But of course, in the case of Slipknot, their music has been accused of being so extreme that it led in one case to murder. Back in 2003 in San Bernardino, California, 22 year old Terry Ray Taylor was brutally murdered by a 20 year old and a 16 year old who said that they had been listening to Slipknot immediately before and after the murder. Specifically the song Disasterpiece, which was analyzed by authorities as this case went to trial. I'm not going to burn this story here. You can hear all about it in our new episode on Slipknot that just hit your feed this week on Tuesday. It's right behind this episode if you haven't listened to it yet. And as I know you guys know, this of course isn't the first time that music, rock and roll, heavy metal, whatever you want to call it, has been put in the hot seat when something truly bad happens. We've covered a lot of these stories here, as you guys know, but here are some of the most disgraceful instances of music being blamed for extreme violence. In 1985, two teenagers in Nevada entered a suicide pact. One died, the other one sustained severe injuries. Their families later sued Judas Priest, claiming that the band had purposefully inserted the phrase do it into their song better by you, better by me. Also in 1985, the family of a 19 year old Indio, California boy who had taken his own life the year prior, sued Ozzy Osbourne, alleging that the tragedy happened after he listened to Ozzy's song suicide solution. In 2000, the parents of a 15 year old girl who had been murdered a few years prior by a group of teenage boys sued Slayer, claiming that the band's music had inspired the killing. And then there's all the stuff with, you know, the Beatles and Charles Manson, the Helter Skelter thing, the party line about Manson being inspired by the White Album to start a race war. There's ACDC and the Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez, a fan of the band and the ACDC hat left behind at one of the crime scenes. And how the band was blamed in the press for inspiring that killing spree. Heavy music, extreme music always had this stigma attached to It. When I was growing up back in the 1980s, you didn't fuck with the dudes who listened to Priest or Slayer or early Metallica, okay? They wore jean jackets and they grew peach fuzz mustaches. You crossed the street when they were coming your way. They were these social outcasts who were into weird shit, extreme shit, or so went the thinking. It's really fucked up to me, you know, once I grew up and realized that the stigma, what I believed about extreme music, people, for lack of a better term, it was fabricated by so called polite society, you know, and then the flames were fanned by the media to turn us against the kind of music that again, so called polite society found offensive. Same thing would happen with hip hop as well, though by that time I was catching on and figuring this shit out. You know, it's also funny to get older and to discover that the metal community or the hardcore community, these subcultures of quote unquote, extreme music, were actually full of some of the nicest people, people who were not at all what they appeared to be to kids like me, extremely uncool. Kids who were blasting Huey Lewis and John Mellencamp and, and oldies radio. I will fully own how uncool I was when I was a kid, by the way. But, you know, be thinking about all this, be thinking about extreme music and the stigma of these, you know, musical subcultures while you're listening to our new episode on Slipknot, which is in your feed right now. Coming up next, right after this after party, is our rewind episode from our archive on Talking Heads. This was Originally released on July 9, 2024. This episode deals with New York City in the 1970s when a psycho killer was on the loose. You don't want to miss this episode. Listen to it to find out all about all the crazy shit that was happening in New York at this time. Not only the Son of Sam who was terrorizing all five boroughs, but, you know, the blackouts, the trash strikes, the Yankees on a tear, and how all of it coincided with the birth of punk rock. Then after the rewind, coming next Tuesday, we've got a brand new episode on John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Also, it's about River Phoenix and about how River Phoenix really died. John and river were friends. River Phoenix, if those of you don't know, was also a musician. He had a band. We covered River's story previously in Hollywoodland, but now this is the John Frusciante story, largely set during the making of Blood Sugar, Sex, Magic and immediately thereafter. And then to bridge the gap here between we've got Slipknot this week and then the Chili Peppers next week later here in the exclusive portion of this episode, I'm going to dig into the history of the mansion, which is the house on Laurel Canyon Boulevard in Los Angeles that Rick Rubin purchased and turned into a recording studio. A studio in a house that is allegedly haunted according to bands like Slipknot and the Chili Peppers who have recorded there. And I'm also going to talk about other supposedly haunted recording studios as well. These are some really freaky stories, guys. Some that you probably have heard and others that you've never heard. And again, I'm going to talk about that later in the exclusive portion. If you're not yet a member of Disgraceland All Access, which is how you hear the exclusive portion of the after party, just go to Disgraceland pod. And to sign up today, perks of membership include ad free listening of all Disgraceland and Hollywoodland episodes, plus bonus material like the exclusive section I'm talking about. And if you join on Patreon, you also get access to our monthly video podcast. This film should be played loud, co hosted by yours truly and Jake Brennan, all about the greatest music and some of our favorite movies of all time. Now, when you're listening next week to our brand new episode of Disgrace Land on John Frusciante, be thinking about the 1990s, all right? Be thinking about your favorite songs from the 1990s and what made them resonate so much with you. Maybe it's a song like the Chili Peppers under the Bridge, which is dominated so much by Frusciante's, like, iconic guitar part. Or maybe it's something much more underground than that. Let us know. Give us a call. Send us a text, 617-906-6638. You can also email us disgracedlampodmail.com or hit us up on the socials, Disgracelampod, and you might hear your answer on next week's after party. All right, Discos, gonna take a real quick break here, but when we come back, I'm gonna have your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more. So don't nobody go nowhere. Okay, so you want to be a rock and roll star? Then listen.
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Jake Brennan
How?
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Dr. Lundy
Hear what I say. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. Discos617 906-6638. That's how you get in touch and participate in the after party. Real quick before I get to your calls and your texts and stuff. I just wanted to mention, guys, this just came across the the news as I was preparing to record this this morning, but word came down that Glenn Hansard, the great Irish singer, songwriter, Oscar winning songwriter, has died at the age of 56. He was killed in a motorcycle crash in Dublin. Glenn Hansard was in this band called the Frames and then later in the swell season and he co starred in a Great movie from 2007 called Once about a couple of struggling musicians in Dublin. His song Falling Slowly from that film won him an Academy Award. That was the first time I ever heard of Glenn Hansard. I think a lot of us here in the States heard about him for the first time with that movie. Totally worth checking out if you haven't seen it. It felt very original and very fresh when it was released. And this is really shitty news. RIP to Glenn Hansard. All right, so as promised, we're going to hear from you guys. And first we're going to go over to the 21 4. We got a call here from Dee, who has an awesome Slipknot story for us. D take it away.
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Dee
Hey Jake, it's D from Dallas. It's been a while and I just listened to your Slipknot episode and I had to call and tell you about my interaction with them. I want to say it was 2004 and Ozzfest was in town. We didn't have the cash to go to the show, but we did have a plan to hopefully meet up with some of the bands. After the show, we went to the clubhouse in Dallas, as you know, which was opened by Bennie Paul and Dimebag Darrell from Pantera, as it was always the final destination of any reputable bands. We got there early and were watching people as they came in, saw a guy at the bar who was wearing an Exorcist T shirt, was like, oh, that's a really fucking cool shirt. Let me go find out where he got it. And so I went to him and asked and he said, oh, someone gave it to me backstage. And I said, backstage? What are you talking about? And he said, my name is Corey and I'm in a band that you probably haven't heard of called Slipknot. That's right. Are you fucking kidding me? I said, please don't go anywhere. When got, my husband came back and we said, we are huge fans. We love what you guys are doing. You guys are just gonna be mega stars. And he thanked us and was very. He was so sweet and so kind. And as he Started to walk away, he turned back and gave us like the universal, hey, come with me. And we ended up at a table where later Twiggy Ramirez, Marilyn Manson, and what I can only assume are additional members of Slipknot. And also Vinnie, Paul and the biggest bottle of tequila I've ever seen in my life. We partied, had a great time, there were girls everywhere. We didn't have to worry about a thing. And as we're leaving, Vinnie at the door and in his gravelly voice is like, you guys aren't driving, right? No, we're not driving. We're, we're responsible. We're going to get a cabin. He said, no, you're not. He arranged for us a private town car to take us back to our room. And I just wanted to say a huge thank you to Corey. I always knew you guys were going to make it and just be super mega stars. I just want to thank you for, for one of the most memorable moments of my life. I've always been a fan of metal. I've done VIP backstage and that night was still, to this day, hands down, my best rock and roll experience. So thank you Corey, and I hope you get to hear this.
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Dr. Lundy
Dee, that is an, that is an incredible story. Thank you so much for calling in and sharing that with us all. And you're proving my point from earlier. The whole like stigma that we had back in the day of like extreme music makers and listeners and how they're the nicest people. You know what I mean? For those of you who know if you know, you know, like you're not surprised by this story at all, but you know, 11 year old me back in 1986 or seven or eight or whatever would have been very surprised by this so incredible story. Thank you so much for calling in. D love that. Love to hear from you. We got another voicemail here from the 617 from. Let's see, Jake in the 61 7. Let's take a listen to this.
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Jake Brennan
Hey, this is Jake in the 617. What's up? My first question is what in the hell is going on? Where are you? Wait, by you, I mean me, where am I? I'm in Boston. I am stuck here. And you might be like, why? How do you get stuck in Boston? Well, the weather apparently up there in the skies has made for some tough flying, so our flight was canceled. Supposed to be back recording the after party. I'm not zest. I know I said I was gonna be back Thursday. It's now looking like I'm gonna Be back on Saturday. But guys, have no fear. All. All is well. Everybody's healthy. Everybody's got all their fingers and toes. It's all good. Life could be much worse. It's not, Thankfully. Hopefully we get home safely. What's going on? What's. What's happening? What do you. What. I don't even know what you're talking about there, I guess. We had the Slipknot episode this weekend. We had Dolly Parton last weekend. We've got John Frusciante coming up next week, which I'm very, very, very excited about. I can't wait for you guys to hear the story. It's not just the story of John Frusciante. It's the story of John and his pal River Phoenix. And the idea that some people have that John had something to do with Rivers death and that he was more than something to do with it. The idea, allegedly, that he was directly responsible for Rivers death. So we get into all of that. Johnny Depp's Viper Room, that's all coming up next week. I can't wait to talk to you all about it. Having fun up here? Went to a Sox game. They're out of town now. They're out on the West Coast. And I went to see my dad play with his band the other night. Brought my kids. My 8 year old, had a Jay Giles T shirt on. Some drunk dude went up to him, sat down right at our table, was like, why do you like Jay Giles? Like, very kind of ornery. And I gotta say, my son handled himself very well. He was prepared for the moment. He immediately responded. He said, well, I like them because my three favorite songs are Must have Got Lost, angel in the Centerfold, and Freeze Frame. And then the guy pressed him even harder. He was like, how did you. How did you learn about Jake Isles? He said, well, I heard angel in the centerfold and then I saw the cassette at a store and I bought it and I put it on and I was like, I like this pant. And then the guy offered to buy him a Corona. It was fantastic. So, yeah, we're having fun in Boston. I can't wait to get back, though. And back in the chair, talking to all you guys into the microphone. Big thank you zest for holding it down in my absence. Lots of cool stuff coming your way, guys. Very shortly. Again, can't wait to talk about that Foucianti episode with you. That's next week.
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Dr. Lundy
I thought that was you, Jake. Oh, sneaky, sneaky. Great to hear your voice. That sucks. You Guys are stuck there until Saturday. Hopefully you don't meet any more ornery J. Giles fans. Like, give the fucking kid a break, man. You know, he gave you his three favorite songs. Like, why do you have to press him even harder?
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Jake Brennan
Harder.
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Dr. Lundy
And I'm also glad you got to see the Red Sox though. I'd like to blow your cover there or out your little secret and let people know that you guys attended, I believe, the game in which they lost their win streak. Right. They were on like a 15 game win streak and then you guys went and they lost. So I don't know, do with that what you. But yeah, I'm excited to hear this John Frusciante episode next week as well. You know, you mentioned River Phoenix, who's a big part of this episode. And I remember when I wrote the River Phoenix episode for Hollywoodland, you know, this subject came up about Frusciante and River's death and stuff and I just didn't want to. I didn't even want to touch it with a 10 foot pole. So I may have alluded to it at some point in the episode, but I didn't really get into it. But of course, leave it to Jake to figure out a really thoughtful, creative way to get into this, to talk about it, to face it head on, and to come out at the end with some conclusions. So anyways, good to hear from you brother, and looking forward to having you back in the saddle here with us again soon. Barring any more crazy ass Boston weather, which I think it's sunny there. I'm not really sure what the issue is with the weather. Jake Brennan will return to the after party next week. Meanwhile, let's get on to some other text messages we've got here. 617-906-6638 is how you get in touch. We got a text here from the 203 and it reads, hi Jake and Seth, this is Melissa from the 203. I heard you mention that there will be a Smashing Pumpkins episode coming up. I will of course listen, but I have never been into those guys. I went to Lollapalooza in 1994 with my friend Walter. The Beastie Boys played second to last and Smashing Pumpkins were the headliners. Five minutes into Smashing Pumpkins, Walter and I looked at each other and said, let's get out of here. That festival was amazing back then, but I still could not understand how the Smashing Pumpkins were the headliners over the Beastie Boys. Fun fact. I heard on one of those MTV shows That the name for hello Nasty, which is a Beastie Boys record, came from a receptionist answering the phone and saying, hello Nasty. The business was part of their production or management team and the full name had the word Nasty in it. Thanks for all the pods. Rocka Rolla Melissa, Great, great message here. Lots to get into here. First of all, yes, hello Nasty. The Beastie Boys record was named after their publicity, their PR firm called Nasty Little Man. And they would answer, the people would answer the phone, hello Nasty. And that's. And that's where that, that phrase came from. When I was a music critic in my former life, worked with Nasty Little Man a lot. They represented a lot of really, really big great artists like the Beasties and beck and Paul McCartney and Foo Fighters and all the. All the heavy hitters were with Nasty Little man, it seemed. And also the guy that ran that company was named Steve Martin. But it wasn't the Steve Martin. It was Nasty Little Man's Steve Martin. Anyways, Smashing Pumpkins headlining Lollapalooza. I think that there was some sort of shenanigans there with how they got to headline Lollapalooza. I think Nirvana had pulled out and then they went in the top slot. And looking back, it's you go, why? Why would Smashing Pumpkins be there? I agree with you over the Beastie Boys just because the Beastie Boys seem to have so much more lasting cultural resonance. But remember at the time, this is 94. This is the year that Kurt Cobain died. Smashing Pumpkins were sort of like filling the void, the Nirvana void at the time as like the biggest rock band on the planet. I mean, Siamese Dream and Melancholy and Infinite Sadness were huge records. We get into that in the episode that we have coming out on them. So anyways, there's a little behind the scenes there on Nasty Little man and the Pumpkins. Thanks for the message. Melissa. 617-906-6638 We've got a text here from the 763. Jake was talking about summer reading, watching and listening recommendations last week. So the 763 text saying, good evening Jake, Summer recommendations for books. I have joined the Dungeon Crawler. Carl Bandwagon. Great read. Really easy to get into. More so if you have ever played video games for movies. I just rewatched Be Kind Rewind with Jack Black and Mos Def. Very funny. Doesn't take itself too seriously for music. I've been listening to a lot of live Bruce Springsteen. Just listened to his show from the Born To Run tour in New Jersey. In 1985. Great show, great music, especially for July 4th. Thanks for all you do. Well, thank you very much, 763, for the recommendations. I remember liking Be Kind Rewind when that came out. That's a Michel Gondry film. I think that's the one he made right after Eternal Sunshine and the Spotless Mind. You know, you can't go wrong with Bruce circa 1985. The guy was just a machine. Even the clips now at Bruce and the Easter Ebam plane look amazing. I saw them. The one time I ever saw them was 1999 when I think the. I think everybody was back in the fold, like little Steven and Clarence. And like all it was. All the original members of the E Street Band were back together for the first time in a little bit, I think was after like Bruce's couple of solo records he had done there or whatever. And I just remember it was at the Garden in Boston. And I just remember the seating was completely surrounded the stage. It filled up the entire garden. And Bruce, like throughout the show would turn so that he would face all four sides of the. Of the Garden so that everybody. So, you know, you weren't looking at Bruce's back the whole time. It was a cool thing. He was. He was really giving it, giving it up for the fans there. It was great. Got a text here from 304 that says, were you guys talking about Edward Hopper's New York interior? Why, yes, 304, that is the painting that Jake and I were talking about in one of the shows last week. And Jake had a controversial take on that painting a little bit more later in this episode about that. Okay, everybody else out there, be like your fellow discos here that we just heard from and give us a call or send us a text at 617-906-6638. Maybe give me your answer to next week's question of the week, which is when you're listening to the new Disgraceland episode on John Frusciante, be thinking about the 1990s. What's your favorite song from the 90s? Favorite songs from the 90s, what made them resonate so much? 617906, 6638. All right, guys, I'm going to take another quick break here, but when we come back, I'm going to get into your emails and much more. So stay tuned. All right, Discos, we are back in the after party. Dr. Lundy here holding it down today while Jake Brennan is in parts unknown. Actually, we know where he is. He's in Boston. He's in the greater Boston area. Don't worry, he's safe. Someone's giving him water and they've left the windows cracked. And Steely Dan is on the stereo, so he's fine. Don't worry about it. If you want to get in touch with Here, guys, 617-906-6638 is the number. Or you can always email disgracelampodmail.com to connect with us and your fellow discos. Just like our guy Delbert here, who wrote an email to us with the subject line Dolly, it reads, just want to throw out some love. The Dolly Parton episode was an amazing testament to your storytelling. You finally smoked the Pentagram episode ending from the intro, expressing what anyone growing up in the 80s or 90s thought of Dolly to the understanding we have now, the background record scratches and the gradual guitar strumming as the story progresses. Man. Just wanted to tell you that this new chapter of Disgraceland is something to experience. Thanks for all you do. And the guys at Double Elvis do Rock a Rolla. Thanks so much, Delbert. That means so much because as you alluded to there, you know, we're always evolving the way that we're always evolving, always iterating how we do what we do, the creative part of our job, the editorial part of our job. And we've been slowly sort of massaging, you know, the structure of our episodes, how we tell these stories, partly because, as will all become clear soon, we're working on some new stuff, and it's gonna. It's gonna fit into what this new stuff that we're working on. But I'm glad that it's landing and I'm glad you enjoyed this episode in particular. Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I wrote the Dolly Parton episode and I was really happy with it, and I'm glad that it resonated with you, Delbert. Thank you for writing in and letting us know. All right, got another email here from Bill. And the subject line is art. Edward Hopper slash covers. And it reads, hey, Jake, bill from the 215 here. You guys were so all over the place on that last wrap party, and it was great. I'm a working artist in Philadelphia. That's how I make my living. I know you know how hard that can be sometimes, and I appreciate your grind as a musician and media person. Anyway, my ears perked up when you referenced the Hopper painting that featured on your screen at home. Am I right that it's called New York Interior Hopper was such a voyeur in his painting. And I think you're on the right track in your assessment of what's happening. There seems to be a man's hat behind her giving us a clue that she has company. The front of her dress is hiked up, but no other evidence of a second party other than the things around her. I'm attaching a pic of the painting. If it's not the one, even better. Let's see that. Music, movies, stories and art are basically my whole life. So thanks to you and the good doctor for helping me to scratch those itches. Rocka rolla. And then Bill followed up with, we apparently may have our minds in the gutter, though some research says she's sewing a white garment with that outstretched arm raised with a needle. Who's to say thanks, Bill. Thank you for your investigation into this. Guys, if you missed this last week, Jake was talking about he's got this thing on his TV where it. When he's not watching tv, it displays a piece of art and he has this Edward Hopper painting up that we've discovered is called New York Interior of a Woman. And we're looking at her from behind and Jake thinks that she's getting it on in this painting, that there's some, like, mystery man beneath her there. It was a very controversial take. It was a take that I did not believe, although I did not believe it. And then he sent me a text of the picture after we recorded the episode that was like, now I can't unsee it. And probably just because our minds are in the gutter as. As Bill alluded to. Bill, appreciate the, again, the investigation here and appreciate you being an artist. I do know how hard that can be and appreciate your grind there, brother. Guys, we're also on Patreon in the chat, not just on text or voicemail or emails or the social. You know, we're talking always over there about recommendations this week. If you guys heard the wrap party over in the Hollywoodland podcast, that was yesterday. I had Matt on Matt Bowden, our head of production here at Double Elvis. With Jake being out of town, Matt and I were talking about biopics. Everything from the Marilyn Monroe biopic Blonde to this one called Born to be Blue about Chet Baker starring Ethan Hawke. Because over in Hollywoodland, the feed this week we have our part one episode from the archive on Marilyn Monroe. And I was thinking about, you know, I had recently watched the Blonde biopic and I was just thinking about biopics in general. That prompted the question to all of you guys over there, what is your favorite Marilyn Monroe film? I want to know. So again, 617-906-6638 disgracelandpodgmail.com or over in Patreon, let me know what your favorite film is. I really, really, really like Niagara, which is a movie that we're going to cover in the screening room in the Hollywoodland feed tomorrow on Friday. But this weekend, we're all going to be watching river of no Return, which is the 1954 Otto Preminger film starring Marilyn Monroe and Robert Mitchum. Believe it was the only time those two performed together. And I'm going to talk about it next week in next Friday's screening room. So make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, guys, as promised, I'm going to talk about the mansion and other haunted recording studios coming up in the exclusive section of this episode right after this. Again, go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up and listen and to unlock more exclusive content like this, plus ad free listening. All right, guys, we'll be right back after this. All right, Dr. Lundy here with you guys in the hot seat one last time for one last block of this afterparty. Listen, it's been a pleasure guest hosting the after party here today. I hope you guys have had a good time and I wish, I wish our guy, Jake Brennan, you know, an unexpected few more days in Boston. Sorry to hear that you're stuck, but there are worse places to be. Looking forward to having you back here with us very soon. Just want to say, guys, mentioned earlier episodes on Judas Priest, Ozzy Osbourne and Metallica in this episode. And of course, we have episodes on all of those artists in our archive of over 250 artists. Matt will grab the episode info on these subjects and put them in the show notes so that you can easily navigate to hear those stories. So now I guess we're at the recap time, right? Here we go. It's recap. Strap in. Number one, this week our new episode is out on Slipknot. Number two in the rewind slot. This week, our classic episode on Talking Heads. Number three next week. Coming up, our next new episode on Tuesday is all about John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers and River Phoenix. Number four, Zeth hey, that's me. Gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes in Hollywoodland. So make sure you are subscribed and listen every week. Usually every week. Not this week. But every week Jake and I give you guys music and movie recommendations there in the wrap party as well. Number five, our latest this film should be played loud. Video podcast episode on do the Right Thing is available right now and our next episode on Licorice pizza is coming August 26th. Go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an all access member and unlock exclusive content just like this along with ad free listening. Number six, hit us up 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content, it's a community. A community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a dis. Alright, back on May 23, 2003, two California teenagers committed a brutal murder. And this is what America was listening to that day. According to the Billboard charts. Number 1 Get Busy by Sean Paul Last Week 1 Peak Position 1 Weeks on 13 Number 221 Questions 50 Cent featuring Nate Dogg Last Week 4 Peak Position 2 Weeks on Chart 9 Number 3 Ignition by R. Kelly Last Week 3 Peak Position 2 Weeks on Chart 28 Number 4 In the Club 50 Cent Last Week 2 Peak Position 1 Weeks on Chart 19 Number 5. Quit talking and start mixing.
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Jake Brennan
Cut it.
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Zeth
Betrayal Weekly is back with brand new stories from threatening text messages disturbing a small Midwestern town.
[38:54]
Dr. Lundy
It was from an unknown number.
[38:57]
Zeth
Who else is getting these messages?
[39:00]
Dr. Lundy
Why did it start with us?
[39:01]
Zeth
To long cons and stolen identities.
[39:04]
Dr. Lundy
Who lies about being this sick? This was the last time I ever believed a word she said.
[39:10]
Zeth
Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea.
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Dee
This season we've got some awesome guests
[39:21]
Dr. Lundy
ready to dole out advice.
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Dee
Guests like Tiffany Haddish kind of slide into people's DMs. I like bumble. Also girl farmersonly.com estate sales, funerals, auctions are usually good.
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Dr. Lundy
There's a lot of good men there.
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Dee
Grocery stores, near gyms, Darcy Cardin, Sherry
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Zeth
Oteri, Anna Faris, Dave Franco, Madeline Klein, Adam Scott, T.S.
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Dr. Lundy
madison and more. Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio
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Dee
app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
[39:57]
Dr. Lundy
Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, the host of the Girlfriends I'm back with more one off interviews with some truly kick ass women on the girlfriends spotlight. I'm going to climb.
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Jake Brennan
This is badness hereditary.
[40:13]
Dr. Lundy
Let's see how we can stop killing.
[40:15]
Jake Brennan
I'm not too intimidated by her.
[40:17]
Dr. Lundy
What are you talking about?
[40:21]
Jake Brennan
Listen to the girlfriend Spotlight on the
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Dr. Lundy
iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

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DISGRACELAND: “Extreme Music, Extremely Bad Things, and Always Doing the Right Thing”
Date: July 30, 2026
Host: Dr. Lundy (Guest hosting for Jake Brennan)
Podcast: DISGRACELAND (Exactly Right & iHeartPodcasts)

Episode Overview

This After Party bonus episode of DISGRACELAND is hosted by Dr. Lundy, filling in for regular host Jake Brennan, who is stranded at an airport due to flight cancellations. The main theme centers on extreme music’s dark reputation—how genres like metal and hardcore are often scapegoated for violent events—and looks at the subculture’s reality, revealing the kindness and community within. The episode also teases true crime stories, listener anecdotes, upcoming features, and the blurred lines between music, myth, and crime.

Key Themes and Discussion Points

1. Extreme Music and the “Blame Game”

Dr. Lundy examines the historical tendency to blame bands and musicians for violent crimes and tragic incidents, highlighting famous cases from DISGRACELAND’s archive:
- Slipknot and the 2003 San Bernardino murder, where suspects claimed listening to “Disasterpiece”’ before and after the crime ([06:37]).
- Judas Priest and the 1985 Nevada suicide pact; families alleged subliminal messages in “Better by You, Better than Me.”
- Ozzy Osbourne’s "Suicide Solution" blamed for a 1985 suicide.
- Slayer sued in 2000 by parents of a murdered girl, claiming inspiration from the band’s violent lyrics.
- The infamous Beatles/Charles Manson “Helter Skelter” race war connection and ACDC’s unwitting tie to the Night Stalker ([08:15]).

“Heavy music, extreme music has always had this stigma attached to it. ...the flames were fanned by the media to turn us against the kind of music that so-called polite society found offensive.”
— Dr. Lundy ([10:12])

Dr. Lundy debunks the stereotype, sharing how the metal and hardcore communities are often supportive and friendly, upending outsider perceptions.

2. Listener Engagement & Stories

The show welcomes calls, texts, and emails from listeners—the “Disgos”—responding to questions and sharing experiences.
- Dee from Dallas shares a memorable story of meeting Corey Taylor (Slipknot) at a Dallas club in 2004, highlighting the band’s kindness and the unexpected hospitality from Vinnie Paul (Pantera), who ensured their safe ride home ([15:16]).

“You guys are just gonna be mega stars. …That night was still, to this day, hands down, my best rock and roll experience.”
— Dee ([17:23])

- Dr. Lundy underscores how this busts the myth of “dangerous” metal musicians:

“You’re proving my point from earlier...how they're the nicest people. If you know, you know.”
— Dr. Lundy ([18:18])

- **Jake Brennan voicemail**: Checks in “from the 617” (Boston), discusses his travel woes, Sox game attendance, and upcoming episodes, especially John Frusciante and River Phoenix ([19:06]).

3. Upcoming and Recent DISGRACELAND Content

Featured Episodes:
- Slipknot episode—available now.
- Classic “rewind” on Talking Heads and 1970s NYC, when Son of Sam was loose.
- Next week: Deep dive on John Frusciante (Red Hot Chili Peppers) and his relationship with River Phoenix, including addresses rumors of Frusciante’s involvement in Phoenix’s death and the legend of the haunted “Mansion” recording studio ([12:11], [22:15]).
- Hollywoodland bonus content on biopics, especially Marilyn Monroe films ([35:17]).

4. Music, Art, and Culture Deep Dives

Listener texts and emails expand the conversation:
- Melissa (203): Recalls Lollapalooza 1994; asks why Smashing Pumpkins headlined over Beastie Boys, shares "Hello Nasty" trivia ([22:31]).
- 763: Summer media recommendations (“Dungeon Crawler Carl,” Be Kind Rewind, live Bruce Springsteen) ([23:38]).
- 304 & 215 (Bill): Art talk—discuss Edward Hopper’s “New York Interior” and debate the painting’s meaning ([27:42]).

5. Tributes and News

The death of Glenn Hansard (The Frames, The Swell Season) in a motorcycle accident, remembered for his Oscar-winning work in “Once” ([13:56]).

Notable Quotes & Moments

“When I was growing up back in the 1980s, you didn't fuck with the dudes who listened to Priest or Slayer or early Metallica... But...that stigma...was fabricated by so-called polite society.”
— Dr. Lundy ([09:25])

“He arranged for us a private town car… I just want to thank you for, for one of the most memorable moments of my life.”
— Dee on Vinnie Paul and Corey Taylor ([17:23])

“Having fun up here? Went to a Sox game... my 8 year old had a Jay Giles T-Shirt on. Some drunk dude went up to him... he was prepared for the moment...”
— Jake Brennan, stranded in Boston ([19:45])

“Nasty Little Man—PR firm...the people would answer the phone, 'Hello Nasty.' That’s where that phrase came from.”
— Dr. Lundy ([22:35])

“We’re always evolving how we do what we do...I wrote the Dolly Parton episode and I was really happy with it, and I’m glad that it resonated with you, Delbert.”
— Dr. Lundy ([31:22])

Listener Participation & Community

Call/Text Line: 617-906-6638
Share: Your favorite ’90s songs for the next episode with John Frusciante focus.
Patreon & All Access: Bonus “This Film Should Be Played Loud” video podcast (“Do the Right Thing” live, “Licorice Pizza” upcoming).

Segment Timestamps

[02:26] – Dr. Lundy takes over; introduces extreme music theme.
[06:37] – Slipknot and murder: music on trial.
[09:25] – The fabricated stigma around extreme music.
[13:56] – Listener stories and tribute to Glenn Hansard.
[15:16] – Dee’s Slipknot/Pantera Dallas story.
[19:06] – Jake Brennan checks in from Boston; Sox story.
[22:31] – Listener questions on Smashing Pumpkins, Beastie Boys, and “Hello Nasty.”
[27:42] – Art talk: Edward Hopper painting debate.
[31:22] – Listener feedback on Dolly Parton episode and creative evolution of the show.
[35:17] – Biopics chat, Hollywoodland plug.
[37:10] – Recap of show schedule and community call-to-action.

Recap and Takeaways

Extreme music’s reputation is deeply misunderstood; these communities are typically welcoming and supportive, not violent.
DISGRACELAND continues to uncover stories that challenge how music, culture, and crime intersect—often revealing the real truth behind the headlines.
Listener engagement is core—stories, questions, and opinions are woven into the show, making it a true community.
Upcoming DISGRACELAND episodes will investigate more music/true crime crossovers, haunted studios, and notorious moments in musical history—remain tuned for deep dives and unexpected revelations.

For More & To Connect

Visit disgracelandpod.com for archives, sources, credits, and exclusive content.
Join the community: Call or text 617-906-6638, email disgracelampodmail.com, or connect on social media @Disgracelampod.

Rocka Rolla.

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Dr. Lundy
This is exactly right. Double Elvis.
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Zeth
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[00:48]
Jake Brennan
Goodbye.
[00:49]
Zeth
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Dr. Lundy
It was from an unknown number.
[01:58]
Zeth
Who else is getting these messages?
[02:00]
Dr. Lundy
Why did it start with us?
[02:02]
Zeth
To long cons and stolen identities.
[02:05]
Dr. Lundy
Who lies about being this sick? This was the last time I ever
[02:08]
Jake Brennan
believed a word she said.
[02:11]
Zeth
Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
[02:19]
Dr. Lundy
Hey discos.
[02:20]
Jake Brennan
Need a little more Disgrace Land in your life?
[02:23]
Dr. Lundy
Just a touch to get you through.
[02:25]
Jake Brennan
Yeah, me too.
[02:26]
Dr. Lundy
This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland. The After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland Bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the After Party. This is the show after the Show. The party. After the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth. To confront the myth. To reclaim the story. On this bonus episode the person that you expected to be here behind the mic, talking to all of you beautiful people out there. The man, the myth, the legend, Jake Brennan. Jake is stuck, man. He's at the airport. He's at the terminal. He's hanging on the telephone. Flight after flight canceled. And so just like he is stuck in aviation purgatory, so too, you are stuck with me. Today, the good doctor, Dr. Lundy, talking about extreme music and extreme moments from music history. Plus, we've got a brand new spanking episode of this film should be played loud to talk about. All right, discos, let's get into it. True. Guys, this is a first. The afterparty will not be hosted by Jake as usual today. This is not a drill. This ain't no prank. I'm not fooling. As Def Leppard would say. I was absolutely telling you the truth earlier. Typically, the way this works is that Jake writes and records these after party episodes on Wednesdays. He and I tape the exclusive all access portion on Wednesdays as well. And then, of course, they're released into the wild on Thursdays. But Jake called me on Tuesday afternoon this week. He's been traveling with his family, and he called me to say that his flight home that night had been canceled. And by the time his rescheduled flight got him back on the saddle the next day, he wouldn't have enough time to write and record the after party. So here we are. I'm like, you know, Elvis Costello when he used to guest host for Letterman when Letterman went on vacation, and I'm psyched to be here, actually. You know, I really am talking with all you discos because you guys are the best. You know that. And I know that a lot of you are already probably familiar with my voice since I host the rap party over in our sister show Hollywoodland. But all that said, thanks for bearing with us here. And you know, like Steve Wynwood once said, you gotta roll with it. Speaking of roll with it, that's a song that the band Slipknot would likely never cover. Well, I don't know. Never say never. Did you guys know that way back in the day, way back in the early days of Slipknot, they covered the Humpty Dance by Digital Underground. Hell yeah, man. My name is Humpty, pronounced with an umpty. How I'd like to funk thee Slipknot. Definitely one of the most extreme sounding bands we've ever covered here in Disgraceland. I was thinking about the other bands and artists that we've covered that are in A similar extreme sounding zone. There's Mayhem and Birds and all the bands at the center of the Norwegian black metal scene that we covered way back in season one. There's Gigi Allen, we covered him in season two, Pantera. And the murder of Dimebag Darrell. Metallica, early Metallica, which features in our story about the tragic death of their original bassist, Cliff Burton. Pentagram, perhaps. But of course, in the case of Slipknot, their music has been accused of being so extreme that it led in one case to murder. Back in 2003 in San Bernardino, California, 22 year old Terry Ray Taylor was brutally murdered by a 20 year old and a 16 year old who said that they had been listening to Slipknot immediately before and after the murder. Specifically the song Disasterpiece, which was analyzed by authorities as this case went to trial. I'm not going to burn this story here. You can hear all about it in our new episode on Slipknot that just hit your feed this week on Tuesday. It's right behind this episode if you haven't listened to it yet. And as I know you guys know, this of course isn't the first time that music, rock and roll, heavy metal, whatever you want to call it, has been put in the hot seat when something truly bad happens. We've covered a lot of these stories here, as you guys know, but here are some of the most disgraceful instances of music being blamed for extreme violence. In 1985, two teenagers in Nevada entered a suicide pact. One died, the other one sustained severe injuries. Their families later sued Judas Priest, claiming that the band had purposefully inserted the phrase do it into their song better by you, better by me. Also in 1985, the family of a 19 year old Indio, California boy who had taken his own life the year prior, sued Ozzy Osbourne, alleging that the tragedy happened after he listened to Ozzy's song suicide solution. In 2000, the parents of a 15 year old girl who had been murdered a few years prior by a group of teenage boys sued Slayer, claiming that the band's music had inspired the killing. And then there's all the stuff with, you know, the Beatles and Charles Manson, the Helter Skelter thing, the party line about Manson being inspired by the White Album to start a race war. There's ACDC and the Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez, a fan of the band and the ACDC hat left behind at one of the crime scenes. And how the band was blamed in the press for inspiring that killing spree. Heavy music, extreme music always had this stigma attached to It. When I was growing up back in the 1980s, you didn't fuck with the dudes who listened to Priest or Slayer or early Metallica, okay? They wore jean jackets and they grew peach fuzz mustaches. You crossed the street when they were coming your way. They were these social outcasts who were into weird shit, extreme shit, or so went the thinking. It's really fucked up to me, you know, once I grew up and realized that the stigma, what I believed about extreme music, people, for lack of a better term, it was fabricated by so called polite society, you know, and then the flames were fanned by the media to turn us against the kind of music that again, so called polite society found offensive. Same thing would happen with hip hop as well, though by that time I was catching on and figuring this shit out. You know, it's also funny to get older and to discover that the metal community or the hardcore community, these subcultures of quote unquote, extreme music, were actually full of some of the nicest people, people who were not at all what they appeared to be to kids like me, extremely uncool. Kids who were blasting Huey Lewis and John Mellencamp and, and oldies radio. I will fully own how uncool I was when I was a kid, by the way. But, you know, be thinking about all this, be thinking about extreme music and the stigma of these, you know, musical subcultures while you're listening to our new episode on Slipknot, which is in your feed right now. Coming up next, right after this after party, is our rewind episode from our archive on Talking Heads. This was Originally released on July 9, 2024. This episode deals with New York City in the 1970s when a psycho killer was on the loose. You don't want to miss this episode. Listen to it to find out all about all the crazy shit that was happening in New York at this time. Not only the Son of Sam who was terrorizing all five boroughs, but, you know, the blackouts, the trash strikes, the Yankees on a tear, and how all of it coincided with the birth of punk rock. Then after the rewind, coming next Tuesday, we've got a brand new episode on John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Also, it's about River Phoenix and about how River Phoenix really died. John and river were friends. River Phoenix, if those of you don't know, was also a musician. He had a band. We covered River's story previously in Hollywoodland, but now this is the John Frusciante story, largely set during the making of Blood Sugar, Sex, Magic and immediately thereafter. And then to bridge the gap here between we've got Slipknot this week and then the Chili Peppers next week later here in the exclusive portion of this episode, I'm going to dig into the history of the mansion, which is the house on Laurel Canyon Boulevard in Los Angeles that Rick Rubin purchased and turned into a recording studio. A studio in a house that is allegedly haunted according to bands like Slipknot and the Chili Peppers who have recorded there. And I'm also going to talk about other supposedly haunted recording studios as well. These are some really freaky stories, guys. Some that you probably have heard and others that you've never heard. And again, I'm going to talk about that later in the exclusive portion. If you're not yet a member of Disgraceland All Access, which is how you hear the exclusive portion of the after party, just go to Disgraceland pod. And to sign up today, perks of membership include ad free listening of all Disgraceland and Hollywoodland episodes, plus bonus material like the exclusive section I'm talking about. And if you join on Patreon, you also get access to our monthly video podcast. This film should be played loud, co hosted by yours truly and Jake Brennan, all about the greatest music and some of our favorite movies of all time. Now, when you're listening next week to our brand new episode of Disgrace Land on John Frusciante, be thinking about the 1990s, all right? Be thinking about your favorite songs from the 1990s and what made them resonate so much with you. Maybe it's a song like the Chili Peppers under the Bridge, which is dominated so much by Frusciante's, like, iconic guitar part. Or maybe it's something much more underground than that. Let us know. Give us a call. Send us a text, 617-906-6638. You can also email us disgracedlampodmail.com or hit us up on the socials, Disgracelampod, and you might hear your answer on next week's after party. All right, Discos, gonna take a real quick break here, but when we come back, I'm gonna have your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more. So don't nobody go nowhere. Okay, so you want to be a rock and roll star? Then listen.
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Jake Brennan
How?
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Dr. Lundy
Hear what I say. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. Discos617 906-6638. That's how you get in touch and participate in the after party. Real quick before I get to your calls and your texts and stuff. I just wanted to mention, guys, this just came across the the news as I was preparing to record this this morning, but word came down that Glenn Hansard, the great Irish singer, songwriter, Oscar winning songwriter, has died at the age of 56. He was killed in a motorcycle crash in Dublin. Glenn Hansard was in this band called the Frames and then later in the swell season and he co starred in a Great movie from 2007 called Once about a couple of struggling musicians in Dublin. His song Falling Slowly from that film won him an Academy Award. That was the first time I ever heard of Glenn Hansard. I think a lot of us here in the States heard about him for the first time with that movie. Totally worth checking out if you haven't seen it. It felt very original and very fresh when it was released. And this is really shitty news. RIP to Glenn Hansard. All right, so as promised, we're going to hear from you guys. And first we're going to go over to the 21 4. We got a call here from Dee, who has an awesome Slipknot story for us. D take it away.
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Dee
Hey Jake, it's D from Dallas. It's been a while and I just listened to your Slipknot episode and I had to call and tell you about my interaction with them. I want to say it was 2004 and Ozzfest was in town. We didn't have the cash to go to the show, but we did have a plan to hopefully meet up with some of the bands. After the show, we went to the clubhouse in Dallas, as you know, which was opened by Bennie Paul and Dimebag Darrell from Pantera, as it was always the final destination of any reputable bands. We got there early and were watching people as they came in, saw a guy at the bar who was wearing an Exorcist T shirt, was like, oh, that's a really fucking cool shirt. Let me go find out where he got it. And so I went to him and asked and he said, oh, someone gave it to me backstage. And I said, backstage? What are you talking about? And he said, my name is Corey and I'm in a band that you probably haven't heard of called Slipknot. That's right. Are you fucking kidding me? I said, please don't go anywhere. When got, my husband came back and we said, we are huge fans. We love what you guys are doing. You guys are just gonna be mega stars. And he thanked us and was very. He was so sweet and so kind. And as he Started to walk away, he turned back and gave us like the universal, hey, come with me. And we ended up at a table where later Twiggy Ramirez, Marilyn Manson, and what I can only assume are additional members of Slipknot. And also Vinnie, Paul and the biggest bottle of tequila I've ever seen in my life. We partied, had a great time, there were girls everywhere. We didn't have to worry about a thing. And as we're leaving, Vinnie at the door and in his gravelly voice is like, you guys aren't driving, right? No, we're not driving. We're, we're responsible. We're going to get a cabin. He said, no, you're not. He arranged for us a private town car to take us back to our room. And I just wanted to say a huge thank you to Corey. I always knew you guys were going to make it and just be super mega stars. I just want to thank you for, for one of the most memorable moments of my life. I've always been a fan of metal. I've done VIP backstage and that night was still, to this day, hands down, my best rock and roll experience. So thank you Corey, and I hope you get to hear this.
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Dr. Lundy
Dee, that is an, that is an incredible story. Thank you so much for calling in and sharing that with us all. And you're proving my point from earlier. The whole like stigma that we had back in the day of like extreme music makers and listeners and how they're the nicest people. You know what I mean? For those of you who know if you know, you know, like you're not surprised by this story at all, but you know, 11 year old me back in 1986 or seven or eight or whatever would have been very surprised by this so incredible story. Thank you so much for calling in. D love that. Love to hear from you. We got another voicemail here from the 617 from. Let's see, Jake in the 61 7. Let's take a listen to this.
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Jake Brennan
Hey, this is Jake in the 617. What's up? My first question is what in the hell is going on? Where are you? Wait, by you, I mean me, where am I? I'm in Boston. I am stuck here. And you might be like, why? How do you get stuck in Boston? Well, the weather apparently up there in the skies has made for some tough flying, so our flight was canceled. Supposed to be back recording the after party. I'm not zest. I know I said I was gonna be back Thursday. It's now looking like I'm gonna Be back on Saturday. But guys, have no fear. All. All is well. Everybody's healthy. Everybody's got all their fingers and toes. It's all good. Life could be much worse. It's not, Thankfully. Hopefully we get home safely. What's going on? What's. What's happening? What do you. What. I don't even know what you're talking about there, I guess. We had the Slipknot episode this weekend. We had Dolly Parton last weekend. We've got John Frusciante coming up next week, which I'm very, very, very excited about. I can't wait for you guys to hear the story. It's not just the story of John Frusciante. It's the story of John and his pal River Phoenix. And the idea that some people have that John had something to do with Rivers death and that he was more than something to do with it. The idea, allegedly, that he was directly responsible for Rivers death. So we get into all of that. Johnny Depp's Viper Room, that's all coming up next week. I can't wait to talk to you all about it. Having fun up here? Went to a Sox game. They're out of town now. They're out on the West Coast. And I went to see my dad play with his band the other night. Brought my kids. My 8 year old, had a Jay Giles T shirt on. Some drunk dude went up to him, sat down right at our table, was like, why do you like Jay Giles? Like, very kind of ornery. And I gotta say, my son handled himself very well. He was prepared for the moment. He immediately responded. He said, well, I like them because my three favorite songs are Must have Got Lost, angel in the Centerfold, and Freeze Frame. And then the guy pressed him even harder. He was like, how did you. How did you learn about Jake Isles? He said, well, I heard angel in the centerfold and then I saw the cassette at a store and I bought it and I put it on and I was like, I like this pant. And then the guy offered to buy him a Corona. It was fantastic. So, yeah, we're having fun in Boston. I can't wait to get back, though. And back in the chair, talking to all you guys into the microphone. Big thank you zest for holding it down in my absence. Lots of cool stuff coming your way, guys. Very shortly. Again, can't wait to talk about that Foucianti episode with you. That's next week.
[21:54]
Dr. Lundy
I thought that was you, Jake. Oh, sneaky, sneaky. Great to hear your voice. That sucks. You Guys are stuck there until Saturday. Hopefully you don't meet any more ornery J. Giles fans. Like, give the fucking kid a break, man. You know, he gave you his three favorite songs. Like, why do you have to press him even harder?
[22:15]
Jake Brennan
Harder.
[22:16]
Dr. Lundy
And I'm also glad you got to see the Red Sox though. I'd like to blow your cover there or out your little secret and let people know that you guys attended, I believe, the game in which they lost their win streak. Right. They were on like a 15 game win streak and then you guys went and they lost. So I don't know, do with that what you. But yeah, I'm excited to hear this John Frusciante episode next week as well. You know, you mentioned River Phoenix, who's a big part of this episode. And I remember when I wrote the River Phoenix episode for Hollywoodland, you know, this subject came up about Frusciante and River's death and stuff and I just didn't want to. I didn't even want to touch it with a 10 foot pole. So I may have alluded to it at some point in the episode, but I didn't really get into it. But of course, leave it to Jake to figure out a really thoughtful, creative way to get into this, to talk about it, to face it head on, and to come out at the end with some conclusions. So anyways, good to hear from you brother, and looking forward to having you back in the saddle here with us again soon. Barring any more crazy ass Boston weather, which I think it's sunny there. I'm not really sure what the issue is with the weather. Jake Brennan will return to the after party next week. Meanwhile, let's get on to some other text messages we've got here. 617-906-6638 is how you get in touch. We got a text here from the 203 and it reads, hi Jake and Seth, this is Melissa from the 203. I heard you mention that there will be a Smashing Pumpkins episode coming up. I will of course listen, but I have never been into those guys. I went to Lollapalooza in 1994 with my friend Walter. The Beastie Boys played second to last and Smashing Pumpkins were the headliners. Five minutes into Smashing Pumpkins, Walter and I looked at each other and said, let's get out of here. That festival was amazing back then, but I still could not understand how the Smashing Pumpkins were the headliners over the Beastie Boys. Fun fact. I heard on one of those MTV shows That the name for hello Nasty, which is a Beastie Boys record, came from a receptionist answering the phone and saying, hello Nasty. The business was part of their production or management team and the full name had the word Nasty in it. Thanks for all the pods. Rocka Rolla Melissa, Great, great message here. Lots to get into here. First of all, yes, hello Nasty. The Beastie Boys record was named after their publicity, their PR firm called Nasty Little Man. And they would answer, the people would answer the phone, hello Nasty. And that's. And that's where that, that phrase came from. When I was a music critic in my former life, worked with Nasty Little Man a lot. They represented a lot of really, really big great artists like the Beasties and beck and Paul McCartney and Foo Fighters and all the. All the heavy hitters were with Nasty Little man, it seemed. And also the guy that ran that company was named Steve Martin. But it wasn't the Steve Martin. It was Nasty Little Man's Steve Martin. Anyways, Smashing Pumpkins headlining Lollapalooza. I think that there was some sort of shenanigans there with how they got to headline Lollapalooza. I think Nirvana had pulled out and then they went in the top slot. And looking back, it's you go, why? Why would Smashing Pumpkins be there? I agree with you over the Beastie Boys just because the Beastie Boys seem to have so much more lasting cultural resonance. But remember at the time, this is 94. This is the year that Kurt Cobain died. Smashing Pumpkins were sort of like filling the void, the Nirvana void at the time as like the biggest rock band on the planet. I mean, Siamese Dream and Melancholy and Infinite Sadness were huge records. We get into that in the episode that we have coming out on them. So anyways, there's a little behind the scenes there on Nasty Little man and the Pumpkins. Thanks for the message. Melissa. 617-906-6638 We've got a text here from the 763. Jake was talking about summer reading, watching and listening recommendations last week. So the 763 text saying, good evening Jake, Summer recommendations for books. I have joined the Dungeon Crawler. Carl Bandwagon. Great read. Really easy to get into. More so if you have ever played video games for movies. I just rewatched Be Kind Rewind with Jack Black and Mos Def. Very funny. Doesn't take itself too seriously for music. I've been listening to a lot of live Bruce Springsteen. Just listened to his show from the Born To Run tour in New Jersey. In 1985. Great show, great music, especially for July 4th. Thanks for all you do. Well, thank you very much, 763, for the recommendations. I remember liking Be Kind Rewind when that came out. That's a Michel Gondry film. I think that's the one he made right after Eternal Sunshine and the Spotless Mind. You know, you can't go wrong with Bruce circa 1985. The guy was just a machine. Even the clips now at Bruce and the Easter Ebam plane look amazing. I saw them. The one time I ever saw them was 1999 when I think the. I think everybody was back in the fold, like little Steven and Clarence. And like all it was. All the original members of the E Street Band were back together for the first time in a little bit, I think was after like Bruce's couple of solo records he had done there or whatever. And I just remember it was at the Garden in Boston. And I just remember the seating was completely surrounded the stage. It filled up the entire garden. And Bruce, like throughout the show would turn so that he would face all four sides of the. Of the Garden so that everybody. So, you know, you weren't looking at Bruce's back the whole time. It was a cool thing. He was. He was really giving it, giving it up for the fans there. It was great. Got a text here from 304 that says, were you guys talking about Edward Hopper's New York interior? Why, yes, 304, that is the painting that Jake and I were talking about in one of the shows last week. And Jake had a controversial take on that painting a little bit more later in this episode about that. Okay, everybody else out there, be like your fellow discos here that we just heard from and give us a call or send us a text at 617-906-6638. Maybe give me your answer to next week's question of the week, which is when you're listening to the new Disgraceland episode on John Frusciante, be thinking about the 1990s. What's your favorite song from the 90s? Favorite songs from the 90s, what made them resonate so much? 617906, 6638. All right, guys, I'm going to take another quick break here, but when we come back, I'm going to get into your emails and much more. So stay tuned. All right, Discos, we are back in the after party. Dr. Lundy here holding it down today while Jake Brennan is in parts unknown. Actually, we know where he is. He's in Boston. He's in the greater Boston area. Don't worry, he's safe. Someone's giving him water and they've left the windows cracked. And Steely Dan is on the stereo, so he's fine. Don't worry about it. If you want to get in touch with Here, guys, 617-906-6638 is the number. Or you can always email disgracelampodmail.com to connect with us and your fellow discos. Just like our guy Delbert here, who wrote an email to us with the subject line Dolly, it reads, just want to throw out some love. The Dolly Parton episode was an amazing testament to your storytelling. You finally smoked the Pentagram episode ending from the intro, expressing what anyone growing up in the 80s or 90s thought of Dolly to the understanding we have now, the background record scratches and the gradual guitar strumming as the story progresses. Man. Just wanted to tell you that this new chapter of Disgraceland is something to experience. Thanks for all you do. And the guys at Double Elvis do Rock a Rolla. Thanks so much, Delbert. That means so much because as you alluded to there, you know, we're always evolving the way that we're always evolving, always iterating how we do what we do, the creative part of our job, the editorial part of our job. And we've been slowly sort of massaging, you know, the structure of our episodes, how we tell these stories, partly because, as will all become clear soon, we're working on some new stuff, and it's gonna. It's gonna fit into what this new stuff that we're working on. But I'm glad that it's landing and I'm glad you enjoyed this episode in particular. Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I wrote the Dolly Parton episode and I was really happy with it, and I'm glad that it resonated with you, Delbert. Thank you for writing in and letting us know. All right, got another email here from Bill. And the subject line is art. Edward Hopper slash covers. And it reads, hey, Jake, bill from the 215 here. You guys were so all over the place on that last wrap party, and it was great. I'm a working artist in Philadelphia. That's how I make my living. I know you know how hard that can be sometimes, and I appreciate your grind as a musician and media person. Anyway, my ears perked up when you referenced the Hopper painting that featured on your screen at home. Am I right that it's called New York Interior Hopper was such a voyeur in his painting. And I think you're on the right track in your assessment of what's happening. There seems to be a man's hat behind her giving us a clue that she has company. The front of her dress is hiked up, but no other evidence of a second party other than the things around her. I'm attaching a pic of the painting. If it's not the one, even better. Let's see that. Music, movies, stories and art are basically my whole life. So thanks to you and the good doctor for helping me to scratch those itches. Rocka rolla. And then Bill followed up with, we apparently may have our minds in the gutter, though some research says she's sewing a white garment with that outstretched arm raised with a needle. Who's to say thanks, Bill. Thank you for your investigation into this. Guys, if you missed this last week, Jake was talking about he's got this thing on his TV where it. When he's not watching tv, it displays a piece of art and he has this Edward Hopper painting up that we've discovered is called New York Interior of a Woman. And we're looking at her from behind and Jake thinks that she's getting it on in this painting, that there's some, like, mystery man beneath her there. It was a very controversial take. It was a take that I did not believe, although I did not believe it. And then he sent me a text of the picture after we recorded the episode that was like, now I can't unsee it. And probably just because our minds are in the gutter as. As Bill alluded to. Bill, appreciate the, again, the investigation here and appreciate you being an artist. I do know how hard that can be and appreciate your grind there, brother. Guys, we're also on Patreon in the chat, not just on text or voicemail or emails or the social. You know, we're talking always over there about recommendations this week. If you guys heard the wrap party over in the Hollywoodland podcast, that was yesterday. I had Matt on Matt Bowden, our head of production here at Double Elvis. With Jake being out of town, Matt and I were talking about biopics. Everything from the Marilyn Monroe biopic Blonde to this one called Born to be Blue about Chet Baker starring Ethan Hawke. Because over in Hollywoodland, the feed this week we have our part one episode from the archive on Marilyn Monroe. And I was thinking about, you know, I had recently watched the Blonde biopic and I was just thinking about biopics in general. That prompted the question to all of you guys over there, what is your favorite Marilyn Monroe film? I want to know. So again, 617-906-6638 disgracelandpodgmail.com or over in Patreon, let me know what your favorite film is. I really, really, really like Niagara, which is a movie that we're going to cover in the screening room in the Hollywoodland feed tomorrow on Friday. But this weekend, we're all going to be watching river of no Return, which is the 1954 Otto Preminger film starring Marilyn Monroe and Robert Mitchum. Believe it was the only time those two performed together. And I'm going to talk about it next week in next Friday's screening room. So make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, guys, as promised, I'm going to talk about the mansion and other haunted recording studios coming up in the exclusive section of this episode right after this. Again, go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up and listen and to unlock more exclusive content like this, plus ad free listening. All right, guys, we'll be right back after this. All right, Dr. Lundy here with you guys in the hot seat one last time for one last block of this afterparty. Listen, it's been a pleasure guest hosting the after party here today. I hope you guys have had a good time and I wish, I wish our guy, Jake Brennan, you know, an unexpected few more days in Boston. Sorry to hear that you're stuck, but there are worse places to be. Looking forward to having you back here with us very soon. Just want to say, guys, mentioned earlier episodes on Judas Priest, Ozzy Osbourne and Metallica in this episode. And of course, we have episodes on all of those artists in our archive of over 250 artists. Matt will grab the episode info on these subjects and put them in the show notes so that you can easily navigate to hear those stories. So now I guess we're at the recap time, right? Here we go. It's recap. Strap in. Number one, this week our new episode is out on Slipknot. Number two in the rewind slot. This week, our classic episode on Talking Heads. Number three next week. Coming up, our next new episode on Tuesday is all about John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers and River Phoenix. Number four, Zeth hey, that's me. Gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes in Hollywoodland. So make sure you are subscribed and listen every week. Usually every week. Not this week. But every week Jake and I give you guys music and movie recommendations there in the wrap party as well. Number five, our latest this film should be played loud. Video podcast episode on do the Right Thing is available right now and our next episode on Licorice pizza is coming August 26th. Go to Disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an all access member and unlock exclusive content just like this along with ad free listening. Number six, hit us up 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content, it's a community. A community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a dis. Alright, back on May 23, 2003, two California teenagers committed a brutal murder. And this is what America was listening to that day. According to the Billboard charts. Number 1 Get Busy by Sean Paul Last Week 1 Peak Position 1 Weeks on 13 Number 221 Questions 50 Cent featuring Nate Dogg Last Week 4 Peak Position 2 Weeks on Chart 9 Number 3 Ignition by R. Kelly Last Week 3 Peak Position 2 Weeks on Chart 28 Number 4 In the Club 50 Cent Last Week 2 Peak Position 1 Weeks on Chart 19 Number 5. Quit talking and start mixing.
[38:45]
Jake Brennan
Cut it.
[38:47]
Zeth
Betrayal Weekly is back with brand new stories from threatening text messages disturbing a small Midwestern town.
[38:54]
Dr. Lundy
It was from an unknown number.
[38:57]
Zeth
Who else is getting these messages?
[39:00]
Dr. Lundy
Why did it start with us?
[39:01]
Zeth
To long cons and stolen identities.
[39:04]
Dr. Lundy
Who lies about being this sick? This was the last time I ever believed a word she said.
[39:10]
Zeth
Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea.
[39:19]
Dee
This season we've got some awesome guests
[39:21]
Dr. Lundy
ready to dole out advice.
[39:23]
Dee
Guests like Tiffany Haddish kind of slide into people's DMs. I like bumble. Also girl farmersonly.com estate sales, funerals, auctions are usually good.
[39:35]
Dr. Lundy
There's a lot of good men there.
[39:37]
Dee
Grocery stores, near gyms, Darcy Cardin, Sherry
[39:41]
Zeth
Oteri, Anna Faris, Dave Franco, Madeline Klein, Adam Scott, T.S.
[39:47]
Dr. Lundy
madison and more. Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio
[39:51]
Dee
app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
[39:57]
Dr. Lundy
Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, the host of the Girlfriends I'm back with more one off interviews with some truly kick ass women on the girlfriends spotlight. I'm going to climb.
[40:10]
Jake Brennan
This is badness hereditary.
[40:13]
Dr. Lundy
Let's see how we can stop killing.
[40:15]
Jake Brennan
I'm not too intimidated by her.
[40:17]
Dr. Lundy
What are you talking about?
[40:21]
Jake Brennan
Listen to the girlfriend Spotlight on the
[40:23]
Dr. Lundy
iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.