Introducing: Clues with Morgan Absher & Kaelyn Moore

Summary

DISGRACELAND Podcast Episode Summary: "Introducing: Clues with Morgan Absher & Kaelyn Moore"

Release Date: June 15, 2025
Title: Introducing: Clues with Morgan Absher & Kaelyn Moore
Host/Author: Double Elvis Productions
Description:
In this special episode, DISGRACELAND unveils a new addition to its true crime repertoire—"Clues", an original series brought to you by Pave. Hosted by Morgan Abshur and Kaylin Moore, "Clues" delves deep into some of the most notorious crimes, unraveling the intricate details and forensic evidence that lead to the truth.

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1. Announcing "Clues" Podcast

Jake Brennan, the host of DISGRACELAND, introduces the audience to the new "Clues" series. He highlights the collaboration between Morgan Abshur, known for hosting "Two Hot Takes," and Kaylin Moore, the voice behind "Heart Starts Pounding." Their combined expertise promises a compelling exploration of true crime cases, merging forensic analysis with internet sleuthing.

Notable Quote:

Jake Brennan [07:01]: “DISGRACELAND is thrilled to present 'Clues,' where Morgan and Kaylin will take you deep into the most notorious crimes ever, uncovering the clues that cracked the cases wide open.”

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2. Overview of "Clues"

Morgan Abshur and Kaylin Moore provide an in-depth introduction to their podcast within the episode. They outline the structure and focus of "Clues," emphasizing their unique approaches:

• Kaylin Moore takes on the role of the true crime expert, dissecting timelines, historical contexts, and hard facts of each case.

• Morgan Abshur acts as the internet detective, diving into online theories, alternative narratives, and lesser-known details that add layers to the investigations.

Notable Quotes:

Morgan Abshur [05:32]: “I’m your Internet sleuth, Morgan Abshur. I’ll be diving into the theories and pulling out the threads of these cases that seemingly add up or don't.”

Kaylin Moore [05:15]: “These aren't just ordinary cases. They're complex puzzles where forensic science, investigative techniques, and sheer grit collide to uncover the truth and deliver justice.”

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3. First Episode Preview: The Lacy Peterson Case

To showcase the depth and intrigue of "Clues," the episode features a sneak peek into their inaugural case—the mysterious disappearance and subsequent murder of Lacy Peterson.

Case Summary:

• Background: Lacy Rocha met Scott Peterson in 1994, leading to marriage in 1997 and the birth of their child in 2002.
• Disappearance: On December 24, 2002, Lacy vanished under suspicious circumstances, leading to a high-profile investigation and Scott Peterson’s eventual conviction.
• Investigation Highlights: The duo examines inconsistencies in Scott Peterson’s alibi, specifically his reported activities on the day of Lacy’s disappearance, revealing gaps and questionable actions that fueled suspicions.

Detailed Insights:

• Alibi Discrepancies: Scott’s conflicting stories about his whereabouts—initially claiming to be golfing but later admitting to boating alone—raise red flags.

• Forensic Evidence: The analysis of time stamps, such as Scott purchasing a boat launch ticket at 12:54 pm and leaving a voicemail at 2:15 pm, indicates a rushed and possibly fabricated alibi.

• Behavioral Patterns: The discussion highlights Scott’s solitary actions during boating, which deviates from standard practices and adds complexity to his defense.

Notable Quotes:

Kaylin Moore [10:09]: “I love that she didn't care what you thought of her. She was just happy to be where she is and who she is. Just so sure of herself.”

Morgan Abshur [14:57]: “The drive from Berkeley to Modesto on Christmas Eve would take around two and a half hours, making the round trip a grueling five hours. Yet, Scott managed to be on the water for only about 30 to 45 minutes.”

Kaylin Moore [14:09]: “Scott wasn’t just taking any boat out on the marina. He had a boat that none of his family or Lacy knew about, which is highly suspicious.”

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4. Behind the Scenes: Hosts’ Personal Touch

While primarily focused on crime narratives, Morgan and Kaylin infuse their personal experiences into the podcast, adding relatability and depth to their storytelling. In this episode, they briefly discuss personal milestones such as wedding dress shopping and moving homes, showcasing their camaraderie and rapport.

Notable Quotes:

Morgan Abshur [07:18]: “I went wedding dress shopping recently. It was a lot. Yeah, it was very overwhelming.”

Kaylin Moore [08:39]: “Packing up my house to move back to LA full time. Everything's in boxes. It will be second cross-country move in a year. In 12 months, 365 days.”

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5. Engaging the Audience

Both hosts emphasize the importance of listener engagement for the growth of "Clues." They encourage audiences to leave reviews and feedback, fostering a sense of community and participation.

Notable Quote:

Kaylin Moore [07:03]: “If you're listening and you can comment wherever you're listening, leave a little THT or HSP in the comments so that we know where you're coming from.”

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Conclusion

DISGRACELAND’s introduction of the "Clues" podcast marks an exciting expansion into collaborative true crime storytelling. With Morgan Abshur and Kaylin Moore at the helm, listeners can anticipate meticulously researched cases presented with both analytical rigor and engaging narrative flair. The preview of the Lacy Peterson case sets the tone for the series, promising a blend of forensic detail and intriguing internet-driven theories that will captivate true crime enthusiasts.

Stay Tuned:
"Clues" releases new episodes every Wednesday. Follow Morgan Abshur and Kaylin Moore on their social platforms or subscribe through your preferred podcast platform to stay updated on the latest investigations.

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Additional Resources:

• Visit DISGRACELAND for more information and to access the extensive archive of over 230 episodes.
• Explore "Clues" directly by searching for it on your favorite podcast platform or visiting Pave's official channels.

Transcript

[Jake Brennan]

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[Morgan Abshur]

Hi. Welcome to Clues where we sneak past the crime scene tape to explore the key evidence behind Some of the most gripping true crime cases.

[Kaylin Moore]

And these aren't just ordinary cases. They're complex puzzles where forensic science, investigative techniques, and sheer grit collide to uncover the truth and deliver justice. I'm Caitlin Moore, and I'll be piecing together the timelines and bringing the history to break down the hard facts of these cases.

[Morgan Abshur]

And I'm your Internet sleuth, Morgan Abshur. I'll be diving into the theories and pulling out the threads of these cases that seemingly add up or don't.

[Kaylin Moore]

So you've probably heard of the Lacy Peterson case. It's one of the most infamous criminal trials in recent history. A pregnant Lacy vanished without a trace in 2010, too. But what you might not know is how a few key pieces of evidence shifted the investigation and ultimately led to a conviction. One that some people think they got wrong.

[Morgan Abshur]

Stay with us because we're about to break down the details that had the entire country captivated back in 2002 and still have people actively debating to this day. Okay, here we go. Our very first episode of clues.

[Kaylin Moore]

Our very first episode. I'm so excited. It's been a long time coming.

[Morgan Abshur]

It has been a long time coming. And I'm. I'm sitting here. I'm. I'm very nervous, you guys. I'm sweating. And I don't know if that's because it's our first episode or.

[Kaylin Moore]

Well, this is a little outside of your domain because Two hot takes is so different from this kind of show. We cover a lot of stuff like this on Heart starts pounding.

[Morgan Abshur]

So this isn't your first rodeo, but.

[Kaylin Moore]

I think both of our audiences are probably very interested in true crime.

[Morgan Abshur]

Oh, I think this is going to be a. Have your cake and eat it too.

[Kaylin Moore]

Absolutely. And so, first of all, just thank you to everyone from our shows. Two Hot takes and heart starts pounding that is here listening to us right now. Everyone that came over from our shows to listen to this new one, thank you so much for your support. It does not go unnoticed. We see you guys. We love you guys.

[Morgan Abshur]

Very, very appreciated.

[Kaylin Moore]

And I was actually thinking, because a new show like this, ratings and reviews really help these shows grow. So if you're listening and you can comment wherever you're listening, leave a little THT or HSP in the comments so that we know where you're coming from.

[Morgan Abshur]

I know. What are we going to end up calling this family? Our. Our little blended unit over here?

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. I don't know. We'll have to come up. Maybe. Maybe you guys will come up with a Title.

[Morgan Abshur]

Please do. Because I have not come up with anything for my two hot takes, people. I'm like, I go back and forth. I'm like the. The Hotakians. Like, what. What are we over there, you guys?

[Kaylin Moore]

So, yeah, what army?

[Morgan Abshur]

Yeah. So what are we going to be here? Detectives, investigators?

[Kaylin Moore]

We'll think of something. We'll. We'll definitely have something by the end. Okay, but what's new in your life?

[Morgan Abshur]

I went wedding dress shopping recently.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Morgan Abshur]

It was a lot. Yeah, it was very overwhelmed.

[Kaylin Moore]

You went to, like, a really nice place, right?

[Morgan Abshur]

Yeah, I went to Kleinfeld's. I was like a fan of say yes to the dress, but, like, I didn't know how intense it was gonna be. And it was still an enjoyable experience. But, like, you definitely feel the pressure there.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. Did you feel pressured to pick something while you were there?

[Morgan Abshur]

I might have been peer pressured into a dress.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, are you. Are you happy? Like, in hindsight, are you happy with the one that you.

[Morgan Abshur]

I'm looking for a second dress.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, yeah. Honestly, it's a work. Prettiest dresses I've seen come from, like, Lulu's and like 60 dresses from online.

[Morgan Abshur]

Honestly, I went to like, anthropology after and their dresses are like, just beautiful and affordable and. Yeah, it's fine. It'll be a journey. You guys will see it when the day does come. But what's going on in your world?

[Kaylin Moore]

Packing up my house to move back to LA full time. Everything's in boxes. It will be second cross country move in in a year. In 12 months, 365 days.

[Morgan Abshur]

Two moves. No, thank you.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, it's a lot. It's like right when we unpacked the last box in the house, we packed it all back up and we're coming back.

[Morgan Abshur]

But don't, don't feel bad if you have some boxes sitting there after a year of living in your place like me.

[Kaylin Moore]

Are you speaking from experience?

[Morgan Abshur]

It's fine. That's fine. You know, we're starting a new podcast. I don't have time to unpack after a year.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, no, I know it's hard. It really is. It's. It's. The packing is stressful. The unpacking.

[Morgan Abshur]

Oh, I'll pack all day.

[Kaylin Moore]

I'll just take forever.

[Morgan Abshur]

I will pack all day.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Abshur]

I need someone to help me out.

[Kaylin Moore]

I'd rather put it in the box than out of the box. I don't know mentally why we do that, but it is a thing.

[Morgan Abshur]

It's so odd.

[Kaylin Moore]

But do you think we should Jump into our very first case.

[Morgan Abshur]

Let's do it. Today we are opening up the case file for the murder of Lacy Peterson. But before we get into this case, let's talk a little bit about who Lacey was. Lacey Rocha was born on May 4, 1975, in Modesto, California. During all of my research for this episode, it was clear that Lacey was just a spark of light. I actually found a really Great article from SFGate where some of her friends were interviewed, and I love this quote from them. Quote, she didn't care what you thought of her. She was just happy to be where she is and who she is. Just so sure of herself.

[Kaylin Moore]

I love that.

[Morgan Abshur]

Just happy. Go. Lucky gal. In 1994, Lacey met a fellow student named Scott Peterson at a party in San Luis Obispo, California. But nothing came of that initial meeting until she ran into him again at a restaurant where he worked as a waiter. She was so smitten with him. And in a bold move, Lacey actually gave Scott her phone number.

[Kaylin Moore]

Brave woman.

[Morgan Abshur]

There's actually an article I found where Lacey's mom, Sharon, recalled her calling her after this meeting and saying she's met the man she's going to marry. And her mom asked if they had even gone out yet. And Lacey replied, not yet, but we will. Like, she just. She knew. She had a feeling she wanted what she wanted, and she was gonna make it happen. For their first date, Scott took Lacey on a deep sea fishing trip. But apparently, things didn't go as planned because Lacey ended up getting seasick eventually. Scott proposed in December of 1996, and they got married in 1997. Lacey was an absolutely gorgeous bride. In 2000, they moved 200 miles north to Modesto, California, so that they could be closer to Lacey's family and really start building their life together. Lacey loved being a wife. She loved watching Martha Stewart cooking and everything that really went into being a homemaker. But what she really wanted was to be a mother. By some accounts, Scott did not want to be a father. Or at the very least, it seemed like he couldn't really make up his mind and went back and forth quite a bit. But in May 2002, Lacey got pregnant. And by that point, Scott was seemingly getting on board. He was attending Lamaze classes with her, going to doctor's appointments, all of the things you would expect a loving, supportive partner to do. But in late 2002, when Lacey was around eight months pregnant, things took a dark turn.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. And before we dig into the timeline of this case, I just want to make a Note that if you're watching on YouTube, you will see some photos pop up that'll help you visualize a few different elements of this case. And if you're listening, don't worry, we want you to feel included as well. You can find those same photos on our social media, which is podcast on Instagram. But, okay, so now we know a little bit more about who Lacy was. Let's talk about what was going on in her life in December of 2002. So, on December 14th, Lacey and Scott were invited to a Christmas party. Lacey attended. Scott did not. Scott allegedly had told Lacey that he couldn't make it because he was on a business trip. On December 23, Lacey spent that day running errands. She and Scott went to a doctor's appointment, and she also visited her sister, Amy Rocha, so Scott could go get his haircut. And that evening, she called her mom, Sharon Rocha, to talk about their plans for the next day, which was Christmas Eve. And that's when Lacy confirmed that she would be having dinner with her. At some point on December 24, 2002, Lacy disappeared. According to Scott, this is how the day went down. He left the house at 9:30am and when he left, he said that Lacey was watching Martha Stewart, a special on tv. And he said that there was something about lemon meringue on the tv he remembered, like, that specific detail about what she was watching. And initially he said that he had gone and played golf that day when he left.

[Morgan Abshur]

Yeah. And it wasn't like he just told one person he went and played golf. He actually told four different people that he played golf that day. But his alibi quickly shifted.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. So while even Scott's family thought that he was going and playing golf that day, it turned out that he had actually gone to take a boat out on the marina. And there's a few reasons why this is suspicious to me off the bat. So Scott wasn't going to just take any boat out on the marina. He was going to take his boat out on the marina. And according to Scott, his family, including Lacy, didn't even know that he had this boat.

[Morgan Abshur]

So it's safe to assume that none of them had ever been on this boat.

[Kaylin Moore]

Right, Right. And that's something that I want us to remember as we keep digging into this. So Scott left his home at 9:30, he said, and he went to his warehouse to pick up his boat and to check some emails. He left that warehouse at 11am and he headed to the marina. Now, we know that Scott purchased a boat Launch ticket at Berkeley Marina at 12:54pm and we're not really sure how long he spent on the water. But later he left a voicemail for Lacy and that said, quote, hey, beautiful, I just left you a message at home. It's 2:15. I'm leaving for Berkeley. I won't be able to get to Vella Farms to get the basket for Papa. I was hoping you would get this message and go out there. I'll see you in a bit, sweetie. Love you. Bye. End quote.

[Morgan Abshur]

And just so everyone is aware, and again, look at social media if you're more of a visual person or YouTube for the picture. Berkeley is over 80 miles away from Modesto, and traffic patterns may have changed, maybe highways, roadways even changed. But when I plugged the two locations into Google Maps and searched what traffic would look like on, you know, Christmas Eve of this year, it shows that the drive is around two and a half hours. We're talking about a five hour round trip. And given that he pulled the parking ticket at 12:54pm and then left a voicemail for Lacey at 2:15 saying he was headed back, it doesn't give you a lot of time to fish. And we also have to consider he was pulling his boat behind his vehicle. And from my experience hauling, you know, with a trailer, you do even have to drive a little more cautious, a little slower.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Abshur]

So it could have been longer.

[Kaylin Moore]

And he pulled the ticket for parking at 12:54. But it takes a minute to get into the water. It takes some time to do that. And then he called her at 2:15. So in theory, he pulled his boat out of the water. So it seems like he was in the water for what, 30 to 45 minutes?

[Morgan Abshur]

Not long. Especially considering Scott was by himself.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, right.

[Morgan Abshur]

Like it usually is. So much nicer if you're working with another person as you're the one backing the boat down the launch and someone then catches it. But he was doing all of this by himself too, which really adds to the complexity of this.

[Kaylin Moore]

Right. Adds to the time it takes. So he made a five hour round trip journey to be on the water for about 1:30 minutes.

[Morgan Abshur]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

On Christmas Eve.

[Jake Brennan]

Thank you for listening. Check out the rest of this episode and so much more. Make sure to follow clues with Morgan Abshur and Kayla Moore. Just search for clues wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes drop every Wednesday. What is Dadication?

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