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Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson
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Welcome to "Do This, NOT That!" - your ultimate destination for mastering marketing insights. Join us as we dive deep into the world of marketing, unlocking powerful strategies and game-changing tactics that will revolutionize your approach.
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Our podcast offers actionable takeaways and practical advice to supercharge your marketing game. Explore the power of decision-making, the art of nurturing contacts, and the influence of loss aversion in marketing. Discover how anchoring and positive psychology can elevate your campaigns to new heights.
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Unravel the secrets of understanding your audience's minds and tapping into behavioral science principles. We guide you on a journey to marketing mastery, empowering you to make the right decisions and drive remarkable results.
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Tune in to "Do This, NOT That!" to unlock your full marketing potential, stay ahead in the competitive landscape, and embark on this thrilling marketing adventure with us!
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SPECIAL GUEST!! Steve Armenti 🚫 Your "ABM" Is Just Cold Email | Ep. 548
2d ago00:20:28Summary readyPartner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026).All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤSubscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletterㅤRegister for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.comㅤCheck out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.comㅤConnect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/askㅤLeave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out!ㅤThere's a version of ABM floating around that's really just cold email wearing a nicer outfit, and Steve Armenti has made it his personal mission to call that out. He spent years running demand gen at Google before founding twelfth, and he walks Jay Schwedelson through why every channel feels harder right now, why AI is quietly making it worse, and what still breaks through when your buyer is drowning in slop. The last stretch gets unexpectedly personal, too.ㅤFollow Steve Armenti on LinkedIn, where he shares his ABM and demand gen content. He also invites listeners to look at signal-based one-to-one experiences, deeply researching prospects and then curating real experiences for them, as a way to bring more human back into marketing.ㅤBest Moments:(03:32) Why "ABM for startups" is a contradiction, and how the market got flooded with services that are just cold email in disguise(06:37) Reply and open rates dropping fifty plus percent year over year, and the real reason everyone's numbers are sliding(08:00) Jay on the strange math of companies obsessing over angry unsubscribes while ignoring the people who just raised their hand(09:05) The channel isn't the problem, the intention behind it is, and what "value creation" actually looks like in practice(10:51) Steve's Account Progression model, plus using CallRail to catch the after-hours missed call that tells you something's happening(14:15) "First draft marketing" and why dumping a transcript into AI with no context is a horrible idea(16:33) Losing yourself in your career as your identity, and the reordering that happens when you hit a milestone birthday
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What’s Up THIS WEEK?! ⚠️ Why ‘URGENCY’ In Marketing Is a Huge Problem Now 📅 Q4 Is Already Being Decided | Ep. 547
5d ago00:10:36Summary readyPartner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026).All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤSubscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletterㅤRegister for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.comㅤCheck out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.comㅤConnect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/askㅤLeave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out!ㅤBig shoutout to our sponsor, Knak!Marketers, you know the pain… You spend hours on a campaign, and then it gets stuck in review cycles and barely looks like what you started with.Knak makes it simple. Design emails and landing pages, collaborate, and launch - all in one place. No tool hopping, no messy handoffs, with AI built in to help you move faster.See how it all works, get started at knak.com/demoㅤA $14 million settlement over two email subject lines just rewrote the rules for anyone who has ever written "last chance" and then quietly extended the offer a few days later. Jay Schwedelson walks through what happened with Costco in Washington state, why the settlement is scarier than a verdict would have been, and the small wording shift that keeps your urgency honest. There is also the matter of August quietly deciding how your entire Q4 goes, which almost nobody plans for.ㅤBest Moments:(00:31) The two Costco subject lines that ended up costing $14 million(01:59) Why settling instead of fighting is the part marketers should actually worry about(02:41) You cannot invent a deadline that was never real(03:00) The wording swap that turns an extended offer into a brand new one(04:23) August is when Q4 gets decided, not October(05:30) Planning themed webinars beat trend themed webinars by 21%
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SPECIAL SERIES ==> 🚨 Stop Sleeping On The Forgotten Platform <== | BATHROOM Break #119 COLLAB: The Marketing Millennials + Do This, Not That
6d ago00:11:17Summary readyPartner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026).All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤSubscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletterㅤRegister for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.comㅤCheck out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.comㅤConnect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/askㅤLeave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out!ㅤFollow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights.ㅤEverybody quietly wrote off Facebook years ago, and Jay Schwedelson and Daniel Murray are here to tell you that was a very expensive mistake. Cheapest webinar registrations of any paid channel, the highest show up rate, and a groups play that works when every Slack community you ever joined went dead. Also settled on air: whether it is normal to eat dinner at the airport in the city where you actually live.ㅤBest Moments:(02:13) Facebook, the forgotten platform, and why tuning it out is costing you(02:42) The underpriced attention sitting on company pages and Reels shared over from Instagram(03:29) Why Facebook Groups are the one community play that still actually works(04:38) What Meta quietly launching a standalone Forum app tells you about where the energy is going(05:43) The dad hat brand running low spend ads to grow a group instead of a landing page(06:56) The lowest cost per registration and the highest show up rate across every channel they buy
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SPECIAL GUEST!! The ONE Thing AUTHOR! 7 Million Copies Sold! Jay Papasan 🔥 REAL Secret to Productivity 🔥| Ep. 545
1w ago00:23:01Summary readyPartner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026).All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤSubscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletterㅤRegister for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.comㅤCheck out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.comㅤConnect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/askㅤLeave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out!ㅤFollow Jay Papasan on Instagram at @jaypapasan and pick up his book, The ONE Thing.ㅤMost people shelve The ONE Thing under productivity, which Jay Papasan says is exactly the wrong shelf. He tells Jay Schwedelson that the real unlock is purpose, that most of our optimizing is just a pre-loaded excuse for failure, and that the people who look impressively busy are usually hiding from something. There is also a pet ostrich named Elda, which is not a metaphor.ㅤBest Moments:(02:24) Why the optimize-everything lifestyle is finally collapsing under its own weight(04:41) The uncomfortable truth behind saying you work hard for your family(05:47) A 30-minute core values exercise that becomes a compass for every big decision(09:45) The real test of your priorities is whether your calendar actually reflects them(14:45) Busy people are usually hiding from the exact thing they are afraid of(15:39) When multitasking is harmless and when it absolutely is not
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What’s Up THIS WEEK?! NEW: LinkedIn DON’T DO!🛑 Facebook wants Vertical Video? Netflix Documentaries are WILD!!| Ep. 544
2w ago00:11:45Summary readyPartner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026).All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤSubscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletterㅤRegister for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.comㅤCheck out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.comㅤConnect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/askㅤLeave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out!ㅤBig shoutout to our sponsor, Knak!Marketers, you know the pain… You spend hours on a campaign, and then it gets stuck in review cycles and barely looks like what you started with.Knak makes it simple. Design emails and landing pages, collaborate, and launch - all in one place. No tool hopping, no messy handoffs, with AI built in to help you move faster.See how it all works, get started at knak.com/demoㅤ41% of long-form LinkedIn posts are now fully AI-generated, which explains why your feed feels like the same three posts wearing different hats. Jay Schwedelson makes the case that the way out is content people can literally steal from you, and then gets into why Target is handing weekly challenges to fans with 500 followers and what that same idea looks like in a boring, regulated B2B world. There is also a firm, slightly personal position taken against a certain underwear campaign.ㅤBest Moments:(00:30) New Pangram data showing 41% of long-form LinkedIn content now carries some form of AI generation(01:19) Why stealable content like templates, prompts, screenshots and checklists is pulling 40% higher engagement(02:24) What happens to open rates when you put the word "steal" at the front of a subject line(03:52) How Club Target turned 500-follower shoppers into a 15,000-creator marketing engine with weekly challenges(05:00) Building your own customer creator club when you are not Target and your industry is boring(07:23) Meta testing a TikTok-style Facebook feed and why every video you make should already be vertical
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SPECIAL SERIES ==> 🟣NEW Way I’m Using AI!🟣 <== | BATHROOM Break #118 COLLAB: The Marketing Millennials + Do This, Not That
2w ago00:11:06Summary readyPartner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026).All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤSubscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletterㅤRegister for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.comㅤCheck out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.comㅤConnect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/askㅤLeave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out!ㅤFollow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights.ㅤYou have a file sitting inside LinkedIn right now with every connection, every DM and every comment you have ever made, and it takes about four clicks to get it. Jay Schwedelson walks through what happens when you drop that export into Claude alongside your CRM data and tell it to think like a chief revenue officer, while Daniel Murray shares the prompt he uses to pull clips, hooks and subject lines out of podcast transcripts he already recorded months ago. The whole thing wraps with the two of them pulling up their Uber passenger ratings on air, which does not go the way either of them planned.ㅤBest Moments:(00:11) The Uber small talk question nobody wants to answer honestly(02:06) Why AirPods are the polite way to opt out of any conversation(02:49) Daniel's prompt for turning old podcast transcripts into clips, hooks and subject lines(05:00) Feeding your full LinkedIn history into Claude and asking it to think like a CRO(06:14) The exact desktop click path to export your LinkedIn connection data(07:51) If your tool has no API connection, it might be time to find a different tool(08:41) A live Uber score showdown, including where to find your one-star count
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SPECIAL GUEST!! Stu McLaren 🏚️ Your Community Dies at Day 90 Unless You Do This | Ep. 542
2w ago00:22:33Summary readyPartner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026).All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤSubscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletterㅤRegister for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.comㅤCheck out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.comㅤConnect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/askㅤLeave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out!ㅤFollow Stu McLaren on Instagram at @stumclaren, and head to his website Stu.me, where he points listeners to find everything he is working on.ㅤEveryone slaps the word "community" on things now, but almost nobody builds one that survives past 90 days. Stu McLaren has been quietly building membership businesses since before that was a buzzword, and he sits down with Jay Schwedelson to explain why the whole game has flipped from handing people information to actually walking them to the finish line. The part worth your commute is a one-message test that tells you whether anyone will pay before you build a single thing.ㅤBest Moments:(02:59) Why most communities turn into ghost towns after 90 days(04:32) The North Star question every membership needs to answer for its members(07:33) The founding member launch: one message that proves demand before you build anything(12:23) How AI flipped memberships from access to acceleration(17:42) Love me or hate me, there's no money in the middle(19:50) Why Stu is now completely evangelical about Japan
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What’s Up THIS WEEK?! LINKEDIN Engagement SECRETS! 💸 AI Costs Rising! 🍿Odyssey NEWS!| Ep. 541
3w ago00:10:32Summary readyPartner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026).All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤSubscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletterㅤRegister for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.comㅤCheck out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.comㅤConnect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/askㅤLeave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out!ㅤMASSIVE thank you to our Sponsor, CallRail!CallRail is the AI-powered lead intelligence platform that helps marketers prove exactly what’s driving results. With CallRail, you can connect every call, text, chat, and form submission directly to the campaign that generated it so you finally know what’s working and where to double down.Plus, with built-in AI conversation intelligence, CallRail analyzes your customer conversations, captures leads 24/7, and gives you deeper insights into what your prospects actually care about.If you’re tired of guessing about your marketing ROI and want real data behind your campaigns, CallRail has you covered.Start a Free Trial Here: https://www.callrail.com/dothisㅤTurns out the AI tools everyone swears by might be quietly working against you - one big study found they added hours to campaign workflows instead of trimming them. Jay Schwedelson digs into that gut-check alongside fresh LinkedIn data on what the algorithm is actually rewarding right now, plus a warning about why those handy free AI tiers you've built your process around probably won't stay free. It wraps with the usual detour into whatever he's been watching and reading lately.ㅤBest Moments:(00:42) LinkedIn's own playbook for the algorithm, post two to three times a week and stay between 200 and 300 words(01:40) The Metricool study putting carousels at 11 times more interactions than single images on company pages(02:11) Why ending a post with a question quietly earns 77 percent more comments(03:35) The AI plot twist, Meta's creative tools adding over three hours to the campaign cycle instead of saving any(04:21) Adam Mosseri's warning that the free AI tiers everyone leans on are on their way out(06:30) A full-throated case against IMAX screen-shaming and for the freedom to watch anything on your phone
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SPECIAL SERIES ==> 🌮 Taco Bell? Subject Line Test Ideas? <== | BATHROOM Break #117 COLLAB: The Marketing Millennials + Do This, Not That
3w ago00:12:46Summary readyPartner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026).All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤSubscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletterㅤRegister for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.comㅤCheck out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.comㅤConnect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/askㅤLeave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out!ㅤSomewhere between a rant about weird breakfast clubs and the great Taco Bell salad panic, there's a legit masterclass on subject lines hiding in here. Jay Schwedelson and Daniel Murray swap the moves that actually lift open rates, including the stuff no AI tool would ever hand you, like leading with ellipses, skipping capital letters, and writing subject lines so long they get cut off on purpose. It's half tactical, half unhinged, which is exactly what a bathroom break should be.ㅤFollow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights.ㅤBest Moments:(00:44) Jay confesses the real problem with pickleball isn't the sport, it's having to talk to the same people every week.(02:22) Daniel's go-to subject line arsenal, from emojis to oddly specific numbers like 7, 11, or 6.5.(03:45) The Claude versus human split test, and why the human still usually comes out on top.(04:32) The case for absurdly long subject lines that fill the whole line and get cut off on purpose.(05:08) Starting a subject line with ellipses and dropping every capital letter to dodge the AI look.(06:49) Telling someone exactly who they are as the easiest engagement trick in marketing.
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SPECIAL GUEST!! Sprout Social's Hailey McDonald 📉 Death by Dashboard Is Quietly Killing Your Strategy | Ep. 539
3w ago00:23:20Summary readyPartner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026).All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤSubscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletterㅤRegister for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.comㅤCheck out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.comㅤConnect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/askㅤLeave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out!ㅤConnect with Hailey McDonald on LinkedIn to jam on social or anything marketing. Grab Sprout Social's new Social Intelligence Report. And for fun, follow her cat's golf-themed account, Cats Gone Golfing, on Instagram.ㅤEveryone's drowning in dashboards yet trusting the numbers less than ever, which is a strange place for marketing to end up. Hailey McDonald, VP of Revenue Marketing at Sprout Social, makes the case to Jay Schwedelson that social is the last corner of the internet where real people still say what they actually think, which is exactly why flooding it with AI slop quietly wrecks the trust you're trying to build. Stick around for the "Customer Zero" idea, a smart take on whether job interviews should ask about your following, and yes, a cat with a golf Instagram.ㅤBest Moments:(02:45) Death by dashboard, more information than we've ever had and less faith in any of it(04:23) Why social may be the last authentic, unprompted signal left online(05:01) Where the AI volume play stops working and starts eroding trust(10:55) "Customer Zero" and why employee advocacy starts with culture, not a Slack post(13:17) Should a job interview really ask about your personal social following now(18:00) Social intelligence in the wild, catching churn risk before it hits the P&L
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