Hour 1: LIVE from Stout NYC

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg: Hour 1 – LIVE from Stout NYC

Date: June 10, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Theme: Preview and spirited discussion of Knicks-Spurs Game 4; in-depth analysis of shifting NBA homecourt dynamics, Victor Wembanyama’s controversial Finals behavior, and iconic Knicks nostalgia.

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Overview

Broadcast live from Stout on 35th, the trio digs into the Knicks-Spurs NBA Finals, exploring why homecourt advantage appears diminished post-COVID, how parity and fan psychology have changed, and whether Victor Wembanyama’s growing “villain” persona is being enabled by NBA authorities. Colorful banter weaves through detailed basketball breakdowns, classic Knicks memories, and plenty of inside New York sports jokes—plus anticipation for big-name guests joining throughout the game day.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The State of the Series: Knicks-Spurs, Homecourt, and NBA Parity

• Setting the Scene:

  • The show opens with excitement about hosting live from Stout NYC as Game 4 looms.
  • "The only thing that changes is the number of the game… As the Knicks look to take a 3-1 series lead to San Antonio." (Don, 00:52)

• Homecourt Advantage Isn’t What It Used to Be:

  • Rosenberg notes a strange Finals trend: road teams keep winning; nobody’s yet defended homecourt.
    • “A series doesn’t start until someone wins a damn home game.” (Peter, 02:11)
  • They discuss NBA-wide homecourt slippage since the 2020 COVID bubble.
    • Rosenberg: Home win rates dropped from 61% to 57.8% since 2020 (03:00).

• Why? Post-COVID Parity and Fan Pressure

  • Don attributes the shift to NBA parity and youth: dominant home teams are gone, and young teams may be rattled by their own fans.
    • “When there’s parity, anybody can win... This will be the eighth straight different champion…” (Don, 04:42)
  • Rosenberg invokes Rick DiPietro’s theory that home crowds are now “an anxiety incubator” in big moments.
    • “It’s leaking into the NBA now… the crowd almost now becomes like—it’s an anxiety incubator. A home crowd in a winner-take-all game. And the players feel it.” (Peter, 06:47)
  • Alan notes the Knicks themselves looked rattled and sloppy in home Game 3, uncharacteristic for a veteran group.

2. Knicks Analysis: Sloppiness, Routine, and Big-Game Nerves

• Game 3 Self-Sabotage at MSG:
  • The guys relive the Knicks’ careless turnovers and lack of rhythm in Game 3.
    • “It was a joke the way they were throwing the ball away... Brunson one time threw it to OG Anunoby like...what are you doing?” (Alan, 07:23)
  • The “off” feeling around the game is attributed partly to the chaos around MSG security for the President’s visit and a broken player routine.

3. NBA Officiating & Wembanyama’s Finals Controversy

• Wembanyama: Star Privilege or Villain Turn?

  • Discussion pivots to Victor Wembanyama, the 20-year-old Spurs phenom, and his physical play:
    • “If he’s not the face of the league yet, he’s the guy, right?...Could be as early as this year.” (Peter, 13:23)
  • The hosts are bemused the NBA did not discipline Wemby for an elbow to Brunson, suggesting the league is protecting its rising superstar.
    • “Does the NBA really have to protect him almost from himself?...We can’t suspend you...We can’t make you one flagrant point closer to a suspension in the NBA Finals.” (Peter, 14:12)
    • “Draymond’s getting a flagrant. If they go back and look at that, of course that’s a flagrant.” (Alan, 16:04)

• What Should Knicks Do? Try to Provoke Wemby?

  • Alan floats the strategy: “If the Knicks are smart, test him. I’m using everybody I can… I got a response for that.” (21:46)
  • Peter cautions: “That’s out of character for this team…Their response is winning. That’s their revenge.” (24:48/25:23)
  • Don: If Wemby does something again, “we gotta take matters in our own hands.” (26:20)

• Wembanyama as Possible ‘Villain’ Face of the League

  • Peter: “He’s starting to become a bit of a villain, isn’t he?...Elbowing Naz Reid in the face, blowing off the media, mushing Jalen Brunson...” (16:57)
  • Alan: “If he can’t help himself...then it’s really going to hurt you as far as being marketable.” (21:17)
  • Don compares him to classic “edge” players (Bill Laimbeer), but with much higher visibility.

4. Knicks Nostalgia & Lighter Moments

• Vintage Knicks Talk:

  • Alan, Peter, and Don riff through a classic 1990 Knicks playoff t-shirt lineup, jousting on which bench players made the cut (30:10–33:15).
  • “That’s your John Bagley led Celtics right there...That was a big Mo Cheeks game.” (Peter, 30:27)

• Celebrities & MSG Culture:

  • Light banter about courtside celebrities: Kylie Jenner, Timothée Chalamet, and Spike Lee, with comedic jabs at “riff raff” in celebrity row and detailed critique of a cake decorated with celebrity cookies (34:00–36:34).
    • “I’m going to give Kylie Jenner credit...She’s legitimately into it. Like, she’s having fun.” (Alan, 35:04)
  • Movies, actor Timothée Chalamet’s Knicks fandom, and tangents on film choices (“Call Me by Your Name”; “Behind the Candelabra”).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fans and Homecourt:
  • “Fans used to be all there in support, right? And not when something went wrong did everything start becoming moaning and groaning and anger and frustration. It would always be, ‘all right, come on guys…’ Somewhere that turned.” – Peter (07:15)
• On Wembanyama:
  • “You’re the face of the league. We can’t have this...You get out of line, those officials are going to get on you and it’s going to cost you.” – Don (18:00)
  • “Doesn’t it look, though, like he’s a borderline dirty player?” – Peter (19:00)
• On Potential NBA Hypocrisy:
  • “They now can be accused of coddling their future face...and he knows it. And he’s the kid now...that know they’re never gonna get in trouble and they get away with a lot of things.” – Peter (29:47)
• Classic Knicks Banter:
  • “That’s Stu Gray...He was the Human Victory Cigar backup center.” – Alan (31:03)
  • “Gerald Wilkins with one of the toughest brother gigs in the history of sport.” – Don (32:48)
• On MSG Routine & Security Mayhem:
  • “Everything’s off...There was nothing about game three that was routine for us too…trying to get into the building, like everything was completely thrown off.” – Don (10:12)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Series/Homecourt Discussion: 02:00–09:30
• Knicks’ Game 3 Struggles & Routine: 07:23–10:45
• Wembanyama’s Behavior & NBA’s Response: 13:03–22:22; revisited at 24:20–29:59
• Old Knicks Playoff Nostalgia: 30:03–33:32
• Celebrity Row & Cake Banter: 34:00–36:34
• Callers with Knicks Stories: 39:01–43:59
• Analysis of Towns’ Play, Knicks’ Adjustments: 43:16–44:26

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Upcoming Guests (Previewed)

• 4:00: Bill Peto
• 4:30: Monica McNutt (with cake!)
• 5:00: Charlie Ward
• 6:00: Baron Davis

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Tone & Style

The banter is sharp, irreverent, and deeply informed—mixing fan emotion, New York attitude, and detailed sports insight. No sense of reverence for league authorities or star personalities; plenty of nostalgia, inside jokes, and ribbing among co-hosts and guests.

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For Listeners

You’ll come away understanding not just the tactical basketball storylines but also the culture shift in NBA fandom and the media’s view of its new superstars. The episode encapsulates why New York radio is its own institution—lively, opinionated, sports-mad, and always ready to argue about who belongs (or doesn’t) on Knicks legends’ t-shirts.

Transcript

[Narrator]

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[Don Hahn]

Don, give me a piece of wood. I'll eat it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don. Peter's most used sweat is at a buffet.

[Podcast Announcer]

And Rosenberg.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll be honest, the one thing I miss about having an office is the taste of Steve Hart's nuts.

[Don Hahn]

This isn't North Dakota.

[Alan Hahn]

This is New York.

[Podcast Announcer]

This is Don Han and Rosenberg, the

[Caller 1]

best threesome I've ever heard on ESPN

[Podcast Announcer]

New York and streaming live on YouTube

[Don Hahn]

301, the big city. Don Hahn and Rosenberg live at Stout 35th between 7th and 8th. And the only thing that changes is the number of the game. Game four tonight, spurs and the Knicks. As the Knicks look to take a 3:1 series lead to San Antonio over the weekend. How's everybody doing on this glorious Wednesday?

[Alan Hahn]

I thought we were in our studio.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm at Stout. I feel good. Like, this is our residency.

[Alan Hahn]

It's home.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is residency from now on. We might as well just like leave this all set up now.

[Alan Hahn]

How many we have on the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't mind this actually being here.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's not bad at all. It's convenient for you now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now food's good too.

[Alan Hahn]

5. Obviously we won't be here. It's Saturday night. If there's a game six.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why not? Why don't we just do a show anyway?

[Alan Hahn]

Game six.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, right.

[Alan Hahn]

Tuesday, Saturday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tuesday. Yep. Two days. All right.

[Alan Hahn]

And then if this thing in the nightmare scenario goes seven.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep. Don't be birthday, remember?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that's. I forgot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Friday's the 19th.

[Alan Hahn]

Friday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you know, I can't have another trauma on my birthday related with the Knicks. Can't happen. So we can't get there. We don't want to get.

[Alan Hahn]

No. And, and, and truthfully, you're really. Listen, this is not the same old Knicks. I think that they can absolutely survive a trip back to San Antonio at 2. 2. I'm not saying that, but, boy, do you not want to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you know, it's funny, you know, we always say a series doesn't start until the A team wins. A road game may not happen. How about a series doesn't start? This series won't start until someone wins a damn Home game.

[Alan Hahn]

I know, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Somebody's got to win a home game at some point to make this thing work, right?

[Caller 1]

I.

[Alan Hahn]

You pray it's to the.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's where it becomes like the law of averages, right? Like, if we do get to two, and I think both could be true, hey, they could still win this series. They're still a good team. We said. I said Nixon, six. You said seven. Oh, I. I said seven. You said seven. I think I got six. You got six. So it's still in line with our predictions and all that. But also what could be true is now. Now you're in a series. Now it's two. Two. Now you go to San Antonio and the conversation could be, well, guys, eventually a home team's going to win something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You would think, again, it benefits the Knicks if no one does, because then suddenly you flip the home court advantage. Right? But, like, you don't want to play that game. So I don't know if you guys saw these stats. This is incredible, though. Home teams in the playoffs this year in the NBA are 46 and 37. And since the bubble. So six seasons since the bubble playoffs, which was, you know, the summer camp thing that the Lakers won. Right. Home teams those six years before we got to the bubble. And it's amazing how Covid changed everything in Life, including this. Six years before, home teams were 305 and 194, which is a 61 winning percentage. 61. One significantly better than the. Right. In the five years since the bubble. 292 and 213, which is 57.8%. So you're. It's. It's a. It's a pretty hefty dip in the percentage of how many times the home team wins. And we're trying to figure out why. Like, why. Why is that? Like, what could be contributing to it? And what was the, you know, the bubble championship? Why was that the line of demarcation?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, you'd understand why it would.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were shooting threes before then. There was hot and cold before then, like, all that stuff. They were star players before then. Why all of a sudden is it harder to win at home in the NBA in the last five years?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, is it harder to win at home or is it easier to win on the road?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, that's a good question.

[Alan Hahn]

So. Because I think Covid could explain why for a couple of years it got easier for teams to win on the road because everyone felt like they were on the road.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a good point.

[Alan Hahn]

No one felt at Home in the bubble. But why would be still there five years later? I mean, 30% of the league from the COVID season is gone. It's a whole different lifetime. Like, it is weird that it's still happening.

[Don Hahn]

I think it's a byproduct of parody. You know, when there's parody, anybody could win. There isn't a dominant team. Usually dominant teams don't lose at home. Right. What did they call the Islanders back in the day? Nassau Coliseum.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Fort Never loose. He never lost there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love that nickname.

[Don Hahn]

People on the way to Philly to play the Flyers or they get in the Philly flu, they don't want to go in there and play the rough and tumble Flyers because they knew they'd do whatever they want in their own building. You know, a dominant team usually dominates at home. If you look at the history of the dynasties of the Lakers, the Golden State warriors, you didn't walk into their building and beat them. Didn't happen. Those teams don't exist anymore. The favorite going into this final was San Antonio. They've got the three guys under 20. They walk into an atmosphere like San Antonio and it can intimidate them. You know, Montreal on the hockey side, youngest team in the NHL playoffs. Right. Losing record at home. In that atmosphere, you would think that would carry them through games. It didn't. I think you're onto something because it intimidates them. You know, so you've got younger teams. You don't have dominant teams. And if anybody can win in any given day, well, then clearly in any given building as well. I think this is just another byproduct of parity. And that's Jusine. This will be the eighth straight different champion, which carries even before COVID But now you're looking at a different league. It's not the old NBA where you never lost a game seven at home. Team with home court advantage always seem to win. You can basically say, these are the four teams that will compete for a championship every year. Those days are over.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was something that Rick DiPietro said years ago when he and I were doing shows together. And it involved, I think the Mets were on their run in 2015, the World Series, and we were talking about home field advantage. And he said, it doesn't really exist anymore. And he explained it as the pressure that a home team feels. And that's become more evident than ever. And I was marvelous because he said, think about it, Don. In the NHL, how many times does the road team win a game? Seven. All the time. All the time.

[Don Hahn]

All the time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he said it's because early in the game the crowd almost now becomes like. It's an anxiety incubator. A home crowd in a winner take all game. And the players feel it. The goalie feels it in baseball, the pitcher feels it. You give up a run in the first inning, you don't think he's tense enough? You don't think he's hearing everybody screaming, frustrated. I think it, it, it's leaking into the NBA now because there's a little more parity. You don't have super teams that are going to always dominate at home. Right. And I do think there's something to be said about a fan frustration that has. Look, we have changed as fans. Fans used to be all there in support, right? And not when something went wrong. Wrong. Did everything start becoming moaning and groaning and anger and frustration. It would always be, all right, come on guys, come on, come on. We got this right. Somewhere that turned and then it's become a lot more where you get frustrated with your team rather than try to rally them. I don't know what, again, I don't know what Covid had to do with it when it comes to demarcation, but the numbers are telling you that it has changed. So with that in mind, this series is sort of emblematic of that. A young team at home can't close, seemed to get rattled at times. And a veteran team went on the road and won with no problem. They have won eight straigh the road. They haven't lost yet. Every other streak is stopped for the Knicks. That one is still intact until we get to game five and we'll see what happens on Saturday. But then the Knicks are home, a veteran team in an atmosphere in game three, which we all know was off. There was something off about that game, something different about that game, and they weren't right. When have you seen the Knicks throw the ball? I was watching the game back last night just to review some things. It was a joke the way they were throwing the ball, ball away. It wasn't just defense. It was just a careless pass or a miss. Like I thought you were going here and you went there. And I threw the ball to no one. Brunson one time threw it to OG Anunoby like as if you and I are together. And he threw it there and OG's looking like, what are you doing? One was a lob that went way too high and into the crowd like just unforced errors, which is not typical of a veteran team. So Would they have. I don't want to say rattled, but were they a little like just, you're off a little.

[Alan Hahn]

The moment was big. And it did feel in moments, if we're being honest, there were a few moments when it felt too big for the Knicks and it didn't feel too big for the Spurs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's so true. They were impressive.

[Alan Hahn]

They were fine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Their poise was very impressive.

[Alan Hahn]

They almost like they were more comfortable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Being in this spot than they were at home. And for some teams, it's like that. Some teams do better getting hated on than feeling they need to protect the home court.

[Don Hahn]

That's just the thing to get away from Dodge. And obviously being at home, you know, just. Just to change a venue could really help a team out. And I think it certainly helped them out. And again, not to make excuses, they played poorly and sometimes you just do have a bad game. It had been six and a half weeks the last time they played a poor game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

True.

[Don Hahn]

So it's going to happen. But ball players are creatures of habit. And I would, I would venture to say that's probably the first time ever the Knicks walked into their own building and had to get wanted and go.

[Alan Hahn]

Probably.

[Don Hahn]

Yep. Okay. And they. And when they come into the game, I don't. They probably didn't. There are guys that drive their cars underneath. Were they allowed to do that? Yeah, they were.

[Alan Hahn]

They were still allowed to drive in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But I'm sure there was some sort of. It wasn't just like cruising in, like, you know, cars have to get checked. Yeah. They're getting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All the cars got checked.

[Don Hahn]

So everything. Everything's off. Like you just used to. This is the way it goes in the Garden. This is where I park. This is where I go up and everything's kind of routine. There was nothing about game three that was routine for us too. For you, trying to get into the building, like everything was completely thrown off and on top of it. You know, that's always to happen at the NBA Finals. But even beyond that, things were crazy. You should have saw what Allen had to do to just try to get into the Garden before the game. Like, just to get near the Garden, you know, had to go to go to 6th Avenue to go to 6th Avenue and then cut through a bunch of different ways.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are we, like a five minute walk from the Garden? I had to take a 15, 20 minute walk to get to whatever the place was that you can get through. You know, the bar, the barrier where they checked you.

[Alan Hahn]

In all fairness, the President got An incredible map. So, you know, at least we all feel contributed to Tim Russell.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's the other thing, though. We were told that was only for him, but they're doing it again today.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, they're doing some of it. Is everything else going to feel like that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

All of it?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Well, we, we walked by the.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no. That's not gonna be the TSA to get in the building, is it?

[Don Hahn]

No. I thought it was just a close.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it's the street closures.

[Don Hahn]

I think getting in will be different because I hope. Big fence that they had that's not here.

[Alan Hahn]

It wasn't even a fence, by the way. Fence does not do justice to what that was because it was a metal wall. Wall. I mean, it was a. They were barricades.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, they were full metal. It was a barricade. But it was a good. A good like 7ft, 8ft.

[Don Hahn]

But I didn't see that when we were at the Garden. We came off the subway just now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. The point is, though, is you won't be able to just casually walk down 7th Avenue and go, you.

[Alan Hahn]

That is. It's still going to be weird.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We'll see. It's at 4 o'. Clock. They'll do it. We'll see what it looks like when we're done here. But good news is you can get to Stout easily. So make sure you come down and hang out with us. As always. It gets busy here. It gets very crowded here. There's already a bunch of people here already, so get here early. Smart if you want to hang out with us.

[Don Hahn]

Well, before you jump into that, I just want to ask Peter how he's bet in this game because I already bet. Suffered a loss. But you're bouncing right back.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, yeah, the bet has already been placed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now we're not messing around. We just. We went straight back to what we were doing.

[Alan Hahn]

500.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, good.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Han continues.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, on the note of, you know, the young team and, and how they were poised, there's something interesting we can talk about which again tonight is a big. Is the next big story right in this, in this series. And that to me is about Victor Wembanyama because I think, can we all, do we all agree if he's not the face of the league yet, he's the guy, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You would say he's on deck.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

At some point. And it could be as early as this year if he does raise the Lario. Right. Would we agree?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay. With that in mind. Don't you find it interesting though that he's doing things like we saw in Game 3, what he did to Brunson, what we saw in the Minnesota series, the elbow to Nas Reed, what we've seen with him at times, it blows off the media in the conference final after a bad game game. Does he need to be doing that stuff for a guy that's going to be. And then to add to it, the NBA decided not to give him any supplement, any punishment whatsoever for what he did to Brunson.

[Alan Hahn]

They're good with it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nothing at all. So Monty McCutcheon, who's the, you know, the head of officials, he teased on ESPN that they're still looking as if something might be coming. And all it was was a tease to act like we're looking at something. So does the NBA really have to protect him almost from himself? Like, hey, you're gonna be the face of our sport. We can't suspend you. We can't make you one flagrant point closer to a suspension in the NBA Finals.

[Alan Hahn]

How many, how many more would he.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he would have got if they gave him a flagrant one, he would add one point. That's because he got thrown out of. He got the flagrant two.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Up in the Minnesota series because I would give him three points and he four to get a suspension. So if they gave him one retroactive and put him at three points and then, I mean, what's stopping somebody from coming up to him starting a fight? See, if he, if all he has to do is throw one punch, boom, suspended.

[Alan Hahn]

And how long suspension.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's one game, but it doesn't matter. It's the fact that in NBA Finals, where we're getting out deeper in the Finals, it's a very dangerous game to play if you're the NBA. Are you really going to do this? So. So it was a strange place to be for the NBA yesterday to decide are we going to punish him this way? It doesn't help the Knicks. They don't get free throws. They don't get anything for it. The game's already over. I'm curious to see what's done tonight officiating wise, whereas they're going to watch him closely. I'm sure somebody gave him a warning.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I wonder do you believe point. Obviously the team talked about it. Maybe Pop reached out. You wonder, though, whether the league someone, a players union representative, an actual league representative say, hey, dude, you can't. That's beyond the pal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. I guarantee you something was said

[Alan Hahn]

to put us in this spot or

[Peter Rosenberg]

put to him from someone with.

[Alan Hahn]

With the spurs because Draymond. Draymond's getting a flagrant. If they go back and look at that, of course that's a. That's a flagrant.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You remember when. You remember how that series flipped in 2016. That's.

[Alan Hahn]

That's the number one, that series.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Draymond 3 1. Draymond Green kicks LeBron in a place that no man wants to be kicked, and the league suspended him for that game. So, of course, you now lose the next one. Now it's three two. Now you gave the Cavs all the hope they needed, and we had that epic game seven, by the way, on the road in Golden State, where they won the championship. So that's why I'm wondering if the league decided rather than make an example of him this way, which doesn't really help any. Anyone, we got to protect the image of a guy that's going to be the face of our league for. For years to come. He's starting to become. And Peter, I give you credit for saying this, he's starting to become a bit of a villain, isn't he?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

With some of these actions. Look, he's a phenomenal player and he's a very interesting guy, but this kind of stuff, this. I think Ms. Johnson called it appropriate arrogance or something like that. It's kind of getting. I. Dude, you don't like. You're. If you're gonna face the league, you don't need to be elsewhere. Elbowing Naz Reed in the face, blowing off the media, mushing Jalen Brunson getting into it. Alvarado, that let somebody on your team handle that business for you. Your image needs to be pristine. Not that stuff. So they talk to him. And tonight, if anything happens behind, like on the side, if something happens where he shoves someone, I guarantee you it'll be the fastest tech you've ever seen.

[Alan Hahn]

That'll be interesting to watch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, a tech, I don't think it'll be anything more than that. But I guarantee you one little thing, one miss up, one misstep from him, they're going to probably watch it real close and overreact to anything he might do on that level.

[Don Hahn]

And that was. I'm sure it was told to him. I'm sure that meeting took place. Nobody had to travel. Adam Silver is here. Everybody is here. Nobody's. Nobody's traveling. It's right here. So I'm sure yesterday there was a long conversation with the spurs and Wemby. Hey, you're the face of the league. We can't have this.

[Alan Hahn]

But yeah, you got to remember we're

[Don Hahn]

going to watch game four four, and if you get out of line, we're going to hammer you. We're going to let what happened in game three slide because I don't think it suits anybody. Like you said, I don't think the Knicks doesn't help. I think the Knick fan takes it. But I don't think they want to win a compromise series because their best player gets suspended again. They don't want what happened in 16 to happen here. But we're not going to also baby you through this whole thing. You're going to have to earn the spot that we think you're going to have. And if you're going to earn it, you're going to have to show it. You get out of line, those officials are going to get on you and it's going to cost you. I'm sure that conversation was that good. The NBA is, especially with its stars, that conversation gets had all the time. I'm sure in baseball, hockey, football, player starts to get out of line. I'm sure there's a conversation, but we

[Alan Hahn]

don't know yet with Wemby, you know, who his character is going to be. It's evolving over time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Doesn't it look, though, like he's a borderline dirty player?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want my. My face like this guy is that good, that compelling. And there's so many other things about his life that make but I find easily marketable. Being a novel I know can't be in the equation.

[Alan Hahn]

But seeing as I don't benefit from the marketing, I'm just a fan and I'll be rooting against him because he's never going to be on my team. I have to say, I do find it intriguing. Oh, it is a question from a story standpoint. Him being that good and that guy is incredibly intriguing.

[Don Hahn]

Well, what you have to figure out if you're the league is is this a one off? Is this something that's in development? Because maybe we could stifle it. But if it's who he is, I'm kind of with Peter be that guy. You know, there's plenty of examples of players that, that guy. Right. That they, they walk the edge, you know. You know, Bill Lambert wasn't that kind of a star, but he played on an edge.

[Alan Hahn]

I was gonna say think of the

[Peter Rosenberg]

face of the league, guys. The one guy that you could say Chuck was never the face of the league though. Face of the league is a very exclusive thing. Bird and Magic shared it. Bird was that guy.

[Alan Hahn]

But not, not, not, not close to. Not this level though. Bird fought back. He was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bird would fight. No, he'd fight. He'd fight.

[Alan Hahn]

But the play that was done to broadcast. Listen, I would challenge you to ever find Larry Bird provoked that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a great point.

[Alan Hahn]

So it is different.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bird was more self defense.

[Alan Hahn]

He was down to strap and he would talk trash and we know there'd be, you know, there'd be some bloody faces and throwing punches.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about Shaq? What Shaq did to Chris Dudley.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is might be the most embarrassing thing that ever happened to a human being in a professional sport.

[Alan Hahn]

But it didn't define. That wasn't who he was permanently.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it wasn't. He changed that quickly. I don't know. Know again, what we love about Wemby is he's challenging the older generation to stop flopping, to stop load managing, laying off an all star game and make the all star game, you know, entertaining and, and competitive. Like I, I kind of like that about him, which is why this part like, I don't want him to lose the edge. But I'm, I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about the league. If you're Adam Silver, you got to be like, no, no, no, we can't. Well, that's. It's bad enough you're already international player. That's going to be held against you by some people.

[Don Hahn]

People.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you can't also be that too. But what you've been in these couple of games that Elbow to Nas Reed was bad.

[Don Hahn]

That's why this conversation has to be had. Because if it's in his DNA, it's who he is, then you know what? He'll slip up tonight and he'll pay the price. And then he won't be the face of the league because he keeps getting himself into trouble and can't control himself. If it's something that's in development, it gets squashed. Now he doesn't do anything, and then he becomes a player that becomes more market, marketable. This is the line of demarcation for him. Right. If he can't help himself, then that's who he is. And I'm sorry. Sorry. Then it's really going to hurt you as far as being marketable.

[Alan Hahn]

And I will say, if the Knicks are smart, if the Knicks are smart, test them. I'm. I'm using everybody I can in a moment when it makes sense to test him and go, I got a response for that.

[Don Hahn]

All right, coming up, we got a big show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good point.

[Don Hahn]

We got a big show. Despite all the restrictions, we've got people coming here to stout. We want you to be one of them. Four o', clock, the reemergence of Bill Pedo.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, we love Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He loves coming on, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

All right, we just saw the cake wheeled out. That means Monica McNutt at 4:30.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, Monica's.

[Don Hahn]

So there will be cake.

[Alan Hahn]

Monica's demands have been met. The cake has arrived.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That cake's awesome, by the way. Look at that.

[Don Hahn]

Five o', clock, Charlie Ward is going to swing by.

[Alan Hahn]

Excited for that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's great.

[Don Hahn]

And then at six o', clock, Baron Davis.

[Alan Hahn]

Boom. Yes, my guy.

[Don Hahn]

So we'll have to figure something out with Ian, and we'll have to figure something out with the list, because the list is at 4:30, Enn's at 6. But we've got guests. We're loaded. This is game four. The difference between a two two series and a three one series is gargantuan. So we're all over it. We've got a big tease from Allen. We've got calls to get to it. 1-800-919-377-6 tons of guests getting you ready for game four. Knicks and the spurs coverage begins at 7:00 o', clock right here on ESPN New.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Phil Pedo will be joining us at 4:00'. Clock, Monica McNutt at 4:30, Charlie Ward, other surprises as well. But Alan, you wanted to address something Peter said before we went to break, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he was talking about how what we just discussed in the league didn't decide to give any punishment to Wembanyama for what he did with Brunson in the game three. And you were suggesting because he probably was given a warning and they'll be watching him closely, as I think we all agree they will. If he does anything more like that they're going to get him in the game. They're not going to now let that, let it slide.

[Alan Hahn]

So if you're the Knicks, you try to make it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you're saying if you're the Knicks, you should try to like goad him into something.

[Alan Hahn]

I think so, yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My response is while we all know that that's like the way we all feel, that's out of character for this team. And I wouldn't want them to be doing that. Like, I don't want that to be a distraction, right? Like, I don't want that to be a thought in their mind while they're trying to win a game. It's too important of a game for them to be thinking, all right, how am I going to get him off his game? He's already going to tell himself I gotta behave, right? What you do don't want to do is be an instigator and him not respond. And now you get attacked or you get. And now he's now in your head. Right?

[Alan Hahn]

So that's true.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't deny I completely agree. We all feel that way. I'll mess with him. I said it yesterday. Anytime he goes to the rack, I might just bump him a few times, make him hit the ground. Make him know that you're not going to get anything easy today. It was too easy in game three. But I don't think I try to get him into something where he'll retaliate because I don't think he will. And I just don't want this team. Their response is winning. That's how they. That's their revenge, always has been about winning the game. And that is the best revenge. Obviously. I, I just, I'd hate to see them be out of character and try to do something like that. You know what I mean?

[Don Hahn]

But on the other, I don't think this will happen because I think he'll mind his P's and Q's and I think if he doesn't, the league will be on him and the officiating will be on him. But if something, something like what happened to Brunson in game three happens again and there's no call, then you go after him. You got. And then you have to tell me

[Peter Rosenberg]

if there's no call, then this is

[Don Hahn]

agree, we got it. We got to matters in our own hands.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Right. I doubt that would happen. That's why I would almost guarantee it wouldn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's hard to believe because, you know, the officials saw the play. Everybody watched the replay. It's been shown a billion times. The NBA reviewed it. You don't think that Zack Zarba and them guys that are happening tonight, you don't think they were told, listen, you're gonna have to keep an eye on this guy because we've seen this in the past with him. He's. He does these things that we've got to watch him. So eyes will be on him more than usual. And he won't get away with it. He shouldn't get away with it. But I'm with you, Don. If he does, nothing's happening.

[Alan Hahn]

Diawara has, has six fouls, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

They all do. Well, Jeremy Sohan, he's always down, Jeremy.

[Alan Hahn]

So you got six. That's 12 fouls right there. You got some fouls you can use if you need to, and there's time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he's the one guy that has any. Because Alvarado is ready to roll. Like you saw his.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm talking about he's. Even though Sohan and he were teammates, he is one guy that you would think like, he's always ready to roll. And not many guys on this team are. Are like that.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

As they say.

[Don Hahn]

But it's interesting from the spurs side of things, they looked at it and didn't give him a flagrant one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

So if he does something half as bad and all of a sudden you throw a flagrant one at him, it's like, wait a minute. The league reviewed something. I did even worse. And you said it wasn't a flag or one. I do half of what I did to Brunson and now I get tagged with a flagger one. I was like, oh, sorry, different officiate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no, that's the price of business. See. Well, we gave, you won.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. And I, I think that is we

[Peter Rosenberg]

have the right now to overreact to anything you do.

[Alan Hahn]

And let's not forget we're not going to pretend that they saw it in real time and didn't call it. They didn't see it. So it's different. You see him do it in real time.

[Don Hahn]

I know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's.

[Alan Hahn]

It's incredible. It's the middle of the floor.

[Don Hahn]

It's.

[Alan Hahn]

It makes Curtis Blair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's staring right at it.

[Alan Hahn]

What are you looking? Maybe it's just the. Where was he standing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was standing in front of celebrity row.

[Alan Hahn]

So the. Maybe from celebrity row you're just not seeing. He just was blocked by big body bro. I don't know.

[Podcast Announcer]

Just.

[Don Hahn]

Is it just the mentality? Because it is odd. I can't even. Maybe, maybe Zaden Ochara when he. Because he was so. He must have been seven feet on every hit somebody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And then, you know, Brian Gianta would skate to him and he was like a child.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But for the most part, you don't see a guy even in the NBA a foot and a half taller. So the officials kind of like program like it probably looked worse than it was just because of the sheer size of Wemby. And then you look at the replay. Oh my God, did I miss that? But is that the. Is that like, all right. It looks so bad because he's so much bigger otherwise. You know, you're telling me they didn't want to call it. And Well, I also think causes a problem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What adds to it is the smirk he gives. You know what I mean? The very. Again, the arrogance thing. The. The so called healthy arrogance. Arrogance. But the arrogance of him then smirking at Brunson like nothing. You can do about it. Right. They're not even going to punish me. You know what I mean? Like, I just got away with that. That's a bad look, in my opinion, for the NBA, because the NBA now can be accused whether. Whether it's right or wrong. They now can be accused of coddling their future face. As if we aren't going to put that kind of punishment on him. And he knows it. And he's the kid now. You know those kids, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oil kids that know they're never gonna get in trouble and they get away with a lot of things and then they. They snicker at you, knowing, I'm not getting in trouble for this.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that's what he looked like. And that's a bad look for the NBA if that's the truth.

[Alan Hahn]

Al, let me. I want to ask something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This. This.

[Alan Hahn]

Follow. I have on Instagram, Evil Empire vintage. They just posted two incredible knick shirts. I don't think for sale. I think this guy's collection.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

The 1990 playoff shirt. I need Alan to tell me how many people he recognizes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I need 1990.

[Alan Hahn]

It's the Salem cartoon. Salem cartoon player.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I love it. So that team beat the Celtics in five in the first round, then lost to. That's your.

[Alan Hahn]

That's your John Bagley led Celtics right there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was. That was a big Mo Cheeks game. So there's Mark Jackson. There's Mo Cheeks right there.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Stuart Gray. Oh, get.

[Alan Hahn]

Get the button ready over there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

J. Vanderweg.

[Alan Hahn]

No, that's not one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's Trent Tucker.

[Alan Hahn]

Trent Tucker. There you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Kenny Walker. There's Patrick, of course.

[Don Hahn]

Kenny Skywalker.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Skywalker Walker, if he's a day.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, where's some of the other whites over there? There are a couple other whites I

[Don Hahn]

did not know there are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There are a couple impressive whites, and I'm trying to. I know one of them's got to be Brian Cornett.

[Alan Hahn]

One of them is like a large blonde looking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's too gray.

[Alan Hahn]

That's Stu Gray.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was.

[Alan Hahn]

Now that's where he hit the drop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was the Human Victory Cigar backup center. Your backup center, Patrick Ewing.

[Alan Hahn]

I get a lot of minutes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Five minutes, yeah. Oh, who. I know who that is, and I can't. I can't think of his name.

[Alan Hahn]

Now the other one I think is easier. What's the other shirt in that post?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, oh, this is the. This is Bombers.

[Alan Hahn]

Is that like midnight 90s? I didn't really zoom in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my goodness.

[Alan Hahn]

Is that. Is that a mid-90s?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, this is the bomb squad. So there's Rod Strickland, there's Gerald Wilkins. Oh, Gerald gets on the other shirt too. Gerald Wilkins. Johnny Newman, Mark Jackson, Kenny Walker, Oakley and Ewing, of course. And Trent Tucker.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, there you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And that's the other shirt.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I see. It's Bombers and Bangers. Bombers, the guys who could shoot. And then the two. The two guys up front who beat the hell out of you.

[Alan Hahn]

Shout out to Salem Sportswear. They look made the coolest shirts in

[Don Hahn]

the 80s and 90s. You know, they.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They could. They could send me one of those if they want.

[Alan Hahn]

I think I would not eat that. That's now worth $300 these days.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know if all these guys are on the shirt, but this is the roster for the 89.90.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I know I'm gonna. There was a name I'm gonna be pissed off about.

[Don Hahn]

Greg Butler.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was not Greg Butler. Was that Craig Butler? Oh, so it was Greg Butler and Stu Gray on the team.

[Alan Hahn]

Who else is there?

[Don Hahn]

I don't see. I don't. Yes. Stuart Gray was there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Three centers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So the other white guy was. Was Buck. Was Greg Butler then. I didn't know he was there.

[Don Hahn]

It was. Greg Butler was on. Was the center. And so was obviously Ewing and Gray. Mark Jackson, Pete Myers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, Pete Myers. Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Did you mention. Was Charles Oakley on there? Yes, Rod Strickland, friend.

[Alan Hahn]

Tucker.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, Strickland's not on that.

[Don Hahn]

Kenny Strickland got traded.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He wasn't in because he got traded for Mo Cheeks.

[Don Hahn]

Eddie Lee. Wilkins and then Gerald Wilkins.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Eddie Lee was the top of the shirt.

[Don Hahn]

So that, you know, that's the Gerald

[Alan Hahn]

Wilkins with one of the toughest brother gigs in the history of Sport.

[Don Hahn]

Butler played 13 games. Gray played 19. Gwinnett played 31 games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Very arrogant. You don't want 23.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I mean, it was early ish,

[Peter Rosenberg]

but it was early ish. Hey, he had a half against Michael. Had the crowd going crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

Really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, he played very well.

[Alan Hahn]

And let me tell you, he's still telling about people about it to this day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Absolutely. Wouldn't you. He was. He was. Because he. He was. He was late in the season. He was giving it to Michael. We were going nut. It was one of the games. One of the few games I attended as a kid. We went crazy because it's like, Brian, it's kicking his ass. Second half. It's like, well, okay, you know, reality.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I think if he were in the vicinity and we asked him to. Come on. I think he would.

[Alan Hahn]

I think so as well.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I think.

[Alan Hahn]

And by the way, wouldn't you want to come see this? Delicious Calandras.

[Don Hahn]

Spell this until she's off.

[Alan Hahn]

I gotta tell you, I'm like, I'm a little sick of having to wait for Monica.

[Don Hahn]

I know you think it's good to

[Peter Rosenberg]

have these hot TV lights shining.

[Alan Hahn]

Stop.

[Don Hahn]

They know what they're doing over there, by the way.

[Alan Hahn]

They, she.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They made Celebrity Row.

[Alan Hahn]

Celebrity Row. So they have a little mini plastic chairs with picture cookies.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So like here's a fat Joe cookie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Har. And then you got Spike.

[Alan Hahn]

Here's a Hargitay. A Hargitay cookie.

[Don Hahn]

You got a Ewing.

[Alan Hahn]

The Ewing cookie.

[Don Hahn]

Spike.

[Alan Hahn]

A Spikely cookie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course that's Ben Stiller.

[Alan Hahn]

The Stiller cookie.

[Don Hahn]

Like you, Tracy Morgan.

[Alan Hahn]

And this one has to be. Ah, Chamale.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, who's sitting next to Timmy? Charlemagne?

[Alan Hahn]

Spike. Here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, go, keep going. Ready?

[Alan Hahn]

And Kylie, of course. Although, you know, again, I don't know if they got. You think Kylie makes it in for game four? You think it's calmed down? The president's gone?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I feel like she has.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on back, Kylie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just. Just to get the vibe.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. Honestly, it's. It's true.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean like, we need to get the riff raff out. By the way, if I see any more riff raff today, I might, I might actually say something. I might say to your Khaled, what are you doing here? Why are you still here with.

[Alan Hahn]

To who?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Khed.

[Alan Hahn]

To Khed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Okhalid can't be there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. If he's here, what are you doing here? What are you doing here?

[Don Hahn]

Go look at your phone at home.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, exactly. By the way, we've all done that on our couch. It's a game you don't care about. You're looking at your phone. I get it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go get you.

[Alan Hahn]

You're at center court, for God's sake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's some people that. You don't need to be here.

[Alan Hahn]

I, I will. I'm going to give Kylie Jenner credit for an extremely attractive billionaire. The amount that she is willing to, like after a game, run around with a Polaroid camera excitingly taking pictures of her boyfriend because he, it's pretty cool.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's like a little kid.

[Alan Hahn]

I know, but she's like. You can tell she's legitimately into it. Like she's having fun.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, well.

[Alan Hahn]

And as I told you, I recently watched the movie Call me by your name. And I just want to tell you, Timothy Chalamet earned every bit of Kylie Jenner in that movie because there's a lot of, a lot of man on man love in that film. And he did his absolute best. He, I, I bought it hook line and sick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You believed it.

[Don Hahn]

And when I, when he told me that story about the movie I wanted to catch, I wanted to figure out the level. So I went to behind the candelabra. That, that's where I base it on. You were curious, like how much man,

[Alan Hahn]

man, you look into it. Do you do any research?

[Don Hahn]

I did not. But I, I Google.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I don't know how you Google that.

[Don Hahn]

They would have done a 30 for 30 or something. It was beyond of good behind the candle.

[Alan Hahn]

What, what, what movie had a straight actor being the gayest in history? I don't know if they have a direct website you can go to for that.

[Don Hahn]

I'm sure there's a website for everything.

[Alan Hahn]

But I'll tell you what shall. By the way, he's extremely good in the film. Like it's, it's, it's a boring. I gotta tell you, he's like an incredible actor. He does some boring moves. I found. I watched the ping pong one.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that was.

[Alan Hahn]

I turned it off in 45 minutes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I haven't seen it yet.

[Alan Hahn]

And I really like him, but I was like, I, I'm also.

[Don Hahn]

It's just the subject matter. I mean. Yeah, like it did well in it. It just.

[Alan Hahn]

No, and let me. Hold on, I'm gonna set the scene. You think that subject matter, that was 50s ping pong. The subject matter for Call me by your name was the slow burgeoning love relationship, romantic relationship between a teenage Timothy Chalamet and like the understudy of his father living in a small Italian village. And it rambles on for two and a half hours. Now I'm on a flight with my

[Peter Rosenberg]

baby screaming, God help me. But I'm just saying.

[Alan Hahn]

Sh. He, he really goes for the slow. He's really like an actor.

[Don Hahn]

He's in it for the art.

[Alan Hahn]

But I'll tell you one thing. What? He's in it for the Knicks. We found yesterday a picture of him meeting Landry Fields at Grand Central station in 2010.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right, right. Not Landry, Shamit.

[Alan Hahn]

Not Landry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is Landry Fields.

[Don Hahn]

Tom Landry.

[Alan Hahn]

A lot of Landry's on this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a very Landry esque type of.

[Don Hahn]

All right, we'll get to calls when we come back at 1-800-919-3776. Bill Pedo at 4. Monica McNutt coming up at 4:30. We'll also talk to Charlie Ward at 5. Don Adam Rosenberg live from stout till 7, then it's Nick spurs on ESPN New York.

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Take your calls at 1-800-919-3776. Monica McNutt's gonna join us coming up at 4:30. And that means Calandra's brings cake. Mariska Harkita. What happened to her? She was on Celebrity Row on the cake and I noticed, got the Joe Budden. What happened? Was there an incident?

[Alan Hahn]

I gotta tell you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is there an incident?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, she's delicious. Harkita.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, boy, that's.

[Don Hahn]

Wow, wow, wow.

[Alan Hahn]

But don't worry, we have place no more, Har. I got halfway.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, you know what? OG's happy.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

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There you go.

[Don Hahn]

Peter will be taking a bite out of that later.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I look forward to.

[Don Hahn]

Pace yourself, buddy.

[Alan Hahn]

I've always wanted to eat some halfway.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, again, I, I, I was

[Don Hahn]

trying to stay away from that, but I got so many folks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's there. Yeah, there's a lot. I'm, I'm really like, I'm showing great resistance right now.

[Don Hahn]

Know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I really. But you guys should be proud of me.

[Don Hahn]

I got away with. I was able to slide it in. Nobody heard it, but, oh, what the

[Alan Hahn]

people that did hear it, I don't even understand.

[Don Hahn]

They got it.

[Alan Hahn]

I'd already said the thing. What had to be added? What had to be added to it?

[Don Hahn]

Well, no, say it again.

[Alan Hahn]

Now.

[Don Hahn]

It's not sliding under the door, is it?

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

I guess not.

[Don Hahn]

I'll tell you, I'll write it. Let's go back to the phones. Let's start it off with Andrew in Yorktown. You're on ESPN New York, Andrew.

[Caller 1]

Hey, guys. How you doing? So I was calling just to say I actually got two stories, both Nick related with Han and, and Peter. All right, don't. Sorry, I don't have any for you, but so I'll make it quick. So back in 20, 2019, I went and got courtside seats to go see the Knicks versus Mats with my friend.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Caller 1]

And we're going there chilling and kind of a flex. Me and my friend, we were actually, actually had better seats than you. Peter, you were with, you were with Michael. And I remember that day.

[Alan Hahn]

I remember that day.

[Caller 1]

Hi to you guys. I Want to say hi to you guys. Really nervous. I chickened out.

[Alan Hahn]

But you didn't say hi to us. Chicken out. Why?

[Don Hahn]

Those are two perfect human beings.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I remember that day. Those, those were, those were actually. Those are the Knicks. Good seat. Those are the seats next to Dolan that Michael I were in. The ones that are like, you know, the ones right outside the, the lower suites. Like. Yeah, 10 rows back, something like that. Good for you, my friend.

[Caller 1]

And with Han. It's actually Han. I don't know, might, might be a little, not a little mad at you, but it's a little bit of funny story. So it was. This is going to the semi conference finals when the Knicks were playing the Heat. And I still remember that game. I went there in my Obie Toppin jersey. I had to throw that thing away eventually because we already know about that. But he was still with us during that time. So great game. After the game, I'm heading out. I went with my father, my brother and my brother in law. We're all pumped up, we're driving and who do we see walking down the street? Along with Han was also with Wally. My brother in law calls out to you. You, Han, Han. Trying to get your attention. And we're, we're at a stop and he starts moving up. We finally get your attention. We go, hey, how you doing? Say hi. And then bang. Got into a tiny bit of a little fender bender

[Caller 2]

for a second.

[Caller 1]

But it wasn't too bad cuz it, it didn't, there was no damage, it was just a little love tap. But I will never forget because I'm just like. Holy crap. Oh God. Like, did we just get into a little thing? I mean, but still, it was freaking awesome to see you, even to get a shout out to say hey to you. But I got, I just, I wanted to call and tell you guys those stories for you.

[Alan Hahn]

Thank you, man.

[Caller 1]

Because this is like as I said

[Alan Hahn]

a long time ago, I appreciate it, buddy. Thank you for the stories. And you feel bad now.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you should, you know, you got the story.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't hear him right away.

[Alan Hahn]

And we got the stories done in just a shade under an hour.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you appreciate that Always.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. No, he's a little excited.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he's excited.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jeez.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, I meant under the 3 o' clock hour.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, well, yeah. Flavio in Brooklyn. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, buddy?

[Caller 2]

Hey, Alan. Hey, Don. Hey, Peter. So I know that I, I said on game three, I need OG to go off. He did. He did go off. I wish that Brunson would have been able to pass, passing the ball because I felt like if the rock would have been passed, would have been distributed more, we could have won the game. As far as the officiating goes, I know you guys had talked about this earlier in the finals that, you know, it's important to have. What's it called, rotating referee. I think you said Zach Garber is associating for tonight. I don't, I don't anticipate that the spurs are going to be going towards the free throw line as often as they did in Game three. I feel like Mike Brown's press conference, it kind of, it kind of recites a little bit towards the coach from the Pacers when they ended up doing that same thing to us a couple years ago. So I feel like we might be getting a little bit benefit of the calls. I'm a little bit like on the, on the positive side towards it. And I feel like if Carl Anthony Towns has a good game, which he should. I don't know if you guys notice, the Knicks are nine and only in these playoffs when he has five or more assists, if he has five or more assists, it's, you know, it hurts for us. We're gonna, we're gonna win this game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. And what they've got to do is now figure out, which I believe they probably did yesterday on the off day, watching film. I watched the game back last night and I saw a couple of things that the spurs did. One of them to take Towns out of it in the pinch post that, you know, it's a simple adjustment they'll have have to make. But it did blow up what they wanted to do. And it was the most elementary defense and it was just enough to create enough chaos with Towns that they're going to have to watch that and they're going to have to start making adjustments on it. And once they do, it'll be fine. But it doesn't change that he hasn't scored in the fourth quarter yet in this series. He's 0 for 6. So he took four shots in the fourth quarter in the previous game. He has not been effective late in these games.

[Alan Hahn]

Terrible. Three late rushed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I mean, it was looking like one of those, like, let me. Because he was stepping into it. It was a clean look. He just was short on it. But that's the, you know, again him in the fourth quarter. We know it's Brunson time when he get to the clutch, clutch situation. But I do agree, though. Five or more assists. That generally means your offense is humming. And so what you want to see from Townes is him being able to be that distributor again, because when he's moving the ball, that offense is at its best.

[Don Hahn]

Bill Peto will join us coming up next. Here live from Stout, Monica McNutt at 4:30, Charlie Ward at 5, Don on and Roseberg. Take you up until 7:00', clock, right into our coverage with Pat O' Keefe of Game 4 Spurs, Knicks right here on ESPN. New York.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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