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Don Hahn
Don.
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Alan Hahn
I was fighting with, with obesity. I wore.
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Don Hahn
You're losing Hahn.
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Alan Hahn
Don.
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Peter
Peter.
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Brian Dable
Thank you, Alan.
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Allen
I hope you make the team.
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Don Hahn
And Rosenberg.
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Richard
Richard, have you ever heard of brazzers?
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Allen
No. This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.
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Don Hahn
This is Don Hahn and Rosenberg on 880 ESPN and the ESPN New York app.
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Alan Hahn
You know, there's not too many times as a Giant fan you can actually be proud of your team and feel good about their performance. And to say, I'm a Giant fan today would be one of those days. How's everybody doing? Happy Friday.
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Allen
Yes.
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Alan Hahn
Don legreca here from an undisclosed location in Tampa. Allen on an undisclosed location in Suffolk County. How are you?
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Allen
I'm good. Yeah. That was an entertaining game, wasn't it? And it was like following along as best I could from the Garden last night during the Knicks preseason game, which was, was a very. For a preseason game, that was really entertaining. But, you know, we'll, we'll get into that when the season comes. But I was following along and I kept saying, wait, they're winning. Wait, they're still winning. Wait, they got the bigger lead. And I listened to the call on the way home. Driving home this morning, I was so compelled to say, all right, I gotta watch this game back. Right? Like, you gotta do it. Like, I gotta see it. So what, what it really looked like, what it felt like. And that, if you're like that for a fan, is one of those sort of like cathartic moments where you finally can just sit there and pound your chest and you can finally feel good. As we said going into this season, these are the moments where you try to tell yourself we got the guy. It starts with that. Listen, the way Dable talks about him.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Allen
Did you hear him say son? When he did the team address, he said son. And then when he said my quarterback, our quarterback, he had to like little things like his postgame. I was watching his postgame. And you could just see he's got a pride in the team, but he also knows, like, what, what's the parcels line? Don't, don't give him a gold jacket yet. Right. Like. Like that. I love That I love that he's. He's so it. He's so excited that it's almost like he knows his job might be saved. Well, that's part of the lease, right?
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Alan Hahn
There's so much. There's so many places to start, just from a Giants fan perspective, is that you had an entertaining game, which you haven't had many. The only entertaining game really all season was the Dallas game. And that ended at the way that it did in overtime in disappointing fashion.
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Allen
Right.
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Alan Hahn
But you were kind of just happy because it was at least an entertaining game that you didn't have to slog through like you have to do every Thursday, Sunday or Monday night over the.
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Allen
Last few seasons, last 10 years.
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Alan Hahn
Then it's against the Philadelphia Eagles and Saquon Barkley. And listen, I love Saquon, all right. But he has been a bit much lately. All right. So I was not disappointed at all that they beat the Philadelphia Eagles. Did they beat Ceriani? That was nice to do. And then you do it on national television. Alan, this isn't the one o' clock or Chris Myers on Fox.
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Allen
No, no. God bless.
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Alan Hahn
Where 10% of the country sees it. No offense to Chris, but I think you know what I'm talking about, right?
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Allen
No, it's.
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Alan Hahn
This is national television. So the nation is getting a chance to see your team actually look good and be entertaining and win the game and beat the defending super bowl champions. And then you just touched on something that I think we need to dive into deeply. And that is the Freudian slip of my quarterback, because it is his quarterback, Allen. Daniel Jones was never his quarterback. Daniel Jones was, hey, we got him. Let's give him a half pregnant contract that we can get out of in two years. I'll try to fix him. But you could see the way the relationship was him screaming at him in the sideline that this is not my guy. Give me somebody to work with. Give me my quarterback. While they traded back into the first round, 25th overall pick to get his quarterback. And you see how giddy he is to work with a guy that he believes he. He can help. Now, he may have screwed up Daniel Jones and Daniel Jones needed to get out of Dodge. So I'm not like complimenting Dable in that sense, but what I'm saying is, is that he has his quarterback and that's why he's giddy. Not just that it's a quarterback, Allen, to save his job, that's a given, but it's his guy, somebody he feels he can work with. And that's why I think he's so excited.
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Allen
A quarterback worth climbing into the concussion tent and pulling him out and getting fine. A quarterback where it's like the minute Russell Wilson went out there and they snap one play is like, get my. I got to get this guy back out here. This is terrible. I don't want to watch this crap. This is going to get me fired. Like a quarterback. That, that's how, that's how strongly you feel about. And I've, I've told you, like, I've followed this from the very beginning. The pre draft process with the Giants. Like Dable just, they, he took to him in the pre draft process and absolutely loved him to a point where he was trying to squelch how much he liked him because he didn't. You know how it is with the draft. If you start talking a little too good, like a little too much about somebody, other teams start, whoa, whoa. Why do they like him so much? Maybe we need to look into it, right? So he, he did not want to give it away that much, but man, he just loved everything about this kid. And that's why the move up to get him the way they were able to get him to the fact that no one else caught on to what Jackson Dart has about him that everybody's looking for. He's got a lot of Baker Mayfield in him, doesn't he? The moxie, the punchiness, all that kind of stuff. Now, again, you're now at a place, as a Giants fan, Don, where while you're excited about the future and what the ad cam, scatter to this too, because that guy, like the two of them together, this is the best buddy cop movie we've seen in a long time. You know what they've done where it's, you know, Bill and Ted saved New York. These two have come in and they have. Exactly. You remember the famous line from Batman, this town needs an enema? Well, that franchise certainly did. And that's exactly. They injected, no pun intended, fun into that franchise and a, and a bravado that both of them said they recognized when they showed up at, at camp. And they looked around going, man, this, this place is dull. Like, we got to pick it up around here. Everybody's hanging their heads like they knew that what they needed was their kind of energy. And when they had the opportunity to bring it, they did. And they have. Did you see the kid rip off his shirt? Him and, and Ryan Fitzpatrick and they're, they're, they're shirtless. Like that's the Kind of stuff. You know, to quote the Eagles, we haven't had that spirit here since 1969. Like they have really needed this. And you can think about now, the excitement of the future and telling yourself you remember when it turned. But Don, how much are you right now? Just a part of you thinking about the recent past and going, man, we could actually be at least three. Three here.
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Alan Hahn
Like I'm. I'm trying not Orleans game.
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Allen
You know, like how. How hard is it now to avoid the what ifs and the. And what could be because of what this looks like.
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Alan Hahn
I'm trying not to do that. But how can you not right that, that that's a winnable game against Dallas. You've got the lead. You lose.
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Allen
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
You had two possessions in overtime to win that game and didn't turn the ball over five times against New Orleans. That's the one that stings the New.
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Allen
Orleans Russell Wilson, he didn't play in the early on. So you can't count like Washington, you can't count that. You can't count those because he wasn't playing right.
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Alan Hahn
The Saint one is going to kill you. But you'll be kills you. But what I guess gets me off the ledge is this. This comes with a young team. This comes with a young quarterback.
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Allen
That's right.
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Alan Hahn
You're going to turn the ball over and you know, listen, Slayton made mistakes and he's the veteran on the team. But Scatter Boo had a fumble and clearly we saw the interceptions. Three turnovers were responsible from the quarterback Jackson Dart against New Orleans and New Orleans is not a good team and they should have won that game. But I don't think it's ever going to come down to the Giants missing the playoffs by a game. It is still a work in progress. So I think you got to just take everything with a grain of salt because it is a young team and it is a young quarterback and it is a young running back. So things are not going to be perfect on their way to what you hope is going to be turning the corner in the future. You know, if Dable and Shane stay and this defense continues to play the way it should, at least on paper that you're starting to see glimpses of what this is going to be. So I'm not going to get caught up in what could have happened. I want to get caught up in what is going on to happen.
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Allen
Okay.
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Alan Hahn
It's one thing to lose. Like that's the thing with the Jets. You're losing, but you're not seeing the future. Right. Because you don't have the quarterback. At least with the Giants, you're seeing a glimpse of what it could be. So you don't want to. You don't want to constantly lose because we've done enough of that. But if it's part of the growing pain process of learning and making them that much better in the future, then I can live with it.
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Allen
Now, how much of. How much of what we saw last night was the Giants and how much of it was the Eagles? Not to wet blanket this, but there is another side to the story. How much, how. How much of the Eagles going through? What they're going through is a big part. Like you want to take advantage of your opponent when they're down, right? This is defending. This is defending. Super bowl champs. They were four. No, just two weeks ago, and now it looks like they're in turmoil. So as you're watching this, how much is it for you? We caught them at exactly the right time without question.
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Alan Hahn
I mean, listen, every. Every winner's got a dance partner, right? I mean, you win because of what you do, but you always need somebody to kind of screw up on the other side. Greg Buttle used to always say that every. Every offensive big play is 11. Eleven guys on offense doing the right thing and one guy doing the wrong thing on defense. Like you need that. Very seldom do you beat a team or does a play work, and everybody on the other side that tried to stop it did it exactly the way they should. You always have to benefit from somebody else's mistakes. That's a broken team. Philadelphia, I don't know what's going on there. I was on with K earlier with Andrew Gunling, and we'll get into how devastating a day that was for the city of Philadelphia last night.
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Allen
Oh, boy.
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Alan Hahn
But he agreed. It's a broken team. Something's going on there. And you don't usually say that about a Super bowl champion team, but I think there's an issue with the coach that they were able to overcome last year because of the assistance that they hired and just how talented they are. But they lost some pieces on the offensive line. Something's. There's a disconnect there. There's. Maybe it's the hangover from the super bowl or whatever, but they kind of locked their way into the four straight wins and now they're getting exposed. But Allen, other than just the apprehension of me being all in because the Giants have disappointed me so much lately, and I still felt that Philadelphia was going to win that game, Until. Until the Giants finally put them away late. But the Giants really beat him pillar to post. I mean, they were the better team the whole way.
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Allen
Yeah. Better in the red zone. And you see the third down, like it's all. Burns was terrific. He was all over the field. If he wasn't getting a sack, he was covering a tight end and running them down like. Burns was phenomenal in this game and.
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Alan Hahn
How good the Giants were converting on third downs, which is something they're never.
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Allen
Known to do, but that's been a thing. Since Dart has stepped in as the quarterback he had. They have been much better on third down with him. Much better. One of the strengths that he has had is that his third down efficiency has been excellent. So that's also something with. When you have the coach and the quarterback on the same page, you can see the execution is much different, especially third downs, which are obviously critical.
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Alan Hahn
Now this is just a terrific win up and down. And I'll see if you can follow it up, you know, and see if you can continue. You got. You got a longer week here as you get ready for Denver.
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Allen
Well, they'll become Denver's.
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Alan Hahn
Come to London.
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Allen
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, but you're in Denver, I think, right? Yeah. They got to have a home game, so you're probably in Denver.
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Alan Hahn
But again, it's. It's not about the wins and losses. It's how it looks. And this isn't. This isn't like the Eddie Murphy, the starving person, getting a cracker and thinking it's a Ritz. Yeah. We have been deprived of good, fun, entertaining football. But this is. This is what you. This is what you want to see when you're moving forward. Like every team that's going to take that big step forward has to go through the growing pains, but at least show glimpses now if he can. Hopefully he'll stay healthy. And I think that's got to get toned down. I saw what happened to RG3 when he came into the league and he was a sensation and diving head first for first downs and wasn't long that he was out of the league. I mean, I'll live with it now because I think it's capricious youth and. And that just kind of comes with the energy that the Giants have been able to thrive off of. But at some point, that's going to have to get throttled because you're going to get yourself killed. Okay. You can't go into concussion protocol every Sunday and expect to be able to survive in this league. Isn't it as well?
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Allen
Yeah, well, his shelf life, I mean, my God, the way he plays. Like it's fun to watch right now, but it does. There is that little bit of a concern of, you know, this kid's crazy and it's fun and this team needed it. You know, he might be like a short term impact player, but his, his impact could be long term, if that makes sense. Right. Because I do think there's a bravado that was missed. You. You can't tell me that the offensive line didn't feed off this. That, that, that the defense, they were on the sideline, they were going crazy like they were into it. It just does something to the sideline. It does something to your team when you have guys that play that hard.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Allen
And dart. Yes, I'm with you. He should not be diving head first for a first down. But the stuff Scatterbo is doing at the line of scrimmage and how he's just getting. He gets demolished in a tackle and just bounces right up, you know, the flips after a touchdown, that's fine. But his boundless energy is just something that is so infectious and so obvious that this franchise has needed and it definitely can spark something you got, at least as a fan. Watch this and say to yourself, whether you like Dable or not, that they're onto something now. And that's all you've been waiting for, is a reason to. To believe that something looks different and has the chance to catch and be that turnaround you've been waiting for for a very long time.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, that's what it was. Just really fun and just flat out shocking, you know, especially when it's the Eagles and you know they're coming off a disappointing fourth quarter against Denver and the Giants never win on Thursday night. They hardly ever win in primetime. They hardly ever win at home. Never beat the Eagles in a big spot. You got to think about the last time they beat the Eagles was at the end of the season when Philadelphia had nothing to play.
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Allen
It didn't count. Yeah. It was not a real win. So here's all the streaks. There was a million streaks, right. That the Giants had going in. Here's a bunch of them. 9 game losing streak that was snapped against defending super bowl champs. You don't even pay attention to stuff like that. Right, Right. But the last time they beat a defending super bowl champion was week 15 in the 1998 season. That's nuts. 10 game losing streak against the Eagles in primetime. The longest losing streak by one team. Against another in primetime since the 1970 merger. Snapped a 10 game losing streak when playing on Thursday. We knew about that going into the game. And an eight game losing streak in division, which you also knew about that. And how about this one, too? A rushing. Three rushing touchdowns by a Giants rookie. Can you tell me the last time that happened? Giants rookie running back.
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Alan Hahn
I can't remember his name, but I remember it was 1971 because I saw the graphic.
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Allen
Oh, you saw. Okay. You saw it. Okay. Charlie Evans. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know if you saw that.
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Alan Hahn
Could remember who it was. And, and I guess it's the first. It's. There's only been three rookie quarterbacks to have a rushing touchdown in their first three NFL games. And it's Jaden Daniels and Dak Prescott.
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Allen
No. That's fitting. Pretty good. Pretty good company too.
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Alan Hahn
So same division. Pretty good company. Right. So listen, it's. I'm just really just shocked. I'm beside myself. It's a. To beat Philadelphia because, you know, you're a New Yorker, so you know how you're supposed to feel about Philadelphia.
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Allen
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
And, and I, and again, I love Saquon, but it's like enough already, right? I mean, we talked about it yesterday. It's like, all right, dude, you won, okay? You won the super bowl. And, you know, can we just let it go? The divorce is over, all right? You won, you won in every way, shape or form as a player, as a professional, as a man. And the Giants lost. We all got it. They got embarrassed, like, enough. And, and it was very satisfying too, because you probably didn't. Maybe when you rewatch the game, to have the Giants add to the score, add to the Eagles humiliation, and then what's the commercial going to break is a Saquon commercial. Yes.
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Allen
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
Am I, am I, am I too, Am I wrong to just enjoy that?
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Allen
No, no. There's nothing wrong with enjoying that. He got to enjoy it at your expense last year.
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Alan Hahn
Yes.
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Allen
Right. The same thing happened. So there's nothing. I felt like all the stuff last year was all fair game because of the divorce, the way it ended, how, you know, how bad it looked for the Giants to let them walk and then have them go to your rival and then go on and win a Super bowl. So that all that was fair game. The documentary this year, to have a lot of focus on the Giants and their decision to move on from that felt like, okay, that's enough. Like that's, that's a bit much. And so that's why this, the timing of this. But by the way, his first two carries, it looked like he was going to have a ridiculously dominant game.
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Alan Hahn
Didn't it feel that way?
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Allen
Oh, my God. The first one especially, that was just a gaping hole right through the middle and he just took it right up the gut. But, you know, so that's when you just thought, oh, my God, is he going to now have like, you know, another epic game at MetLife Stadium? But it just, it definitely at this point felt like it had gone too far. And all the numbers with the Giants never beat the Eagles. And then they never went on Thursday night and all the Nevers, Nevers, Nevers. To a point where Scatter was on with Scott Van Pelt. And so Scott asked him, did you know that the Giants haven't won a Thursday night game in, you know, in 10 years? Did you know all these, all the, the negative history numbers that we were talking about yesterday? And the kid's like, yeah, he was aware of it. So, you know, they were made aware of all that stuff. Which tells you you go into a game with that kind of determination against what is clearly a wounded animal in the Eagles who. They've got all kinds of issues going on with them internally, football wise. Their offense is predictable. It just. That was a perfect storm last night for a Giants party that those, I bet you, those fans couldn't wait to have. So it was a good night to be a Giant. And it's right now got to make you feel like at least you can exhale about a future. You got to feel good about the direction the franchise is in. When you found yourself a quarterback and a head coach and the two of them and clearly in simpatico.
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Alan Hahn
And listen, I have my opinions on Brian Dable. I'm not sold on him at all. I think there are still issues with his coaching abilities, but he's not going anywhere if this train continues to move in the direction it's going, even, even to the point where I'll go this far, that if this continues to look the way it's looking, but for whatever reason, because of the strength of schedule, there's not a lot of wins. But it just looks good that maybe he can survive a four or five win season if it looks good. But Don, you go to Denver, you play well, but you lose on the last second field goal, right? You go to Washington, comes here and you play well and you lose on a late Jaden Daniels touchdown. It really depends on how it looks. Now they've already got a couple wins, so obviously if they Only win one more game, it would look like something's wrong. But if they end up winning five, six games, yeah, I don't see how you blow it up. And also for, and I'm a Shane guy, I think I would bring him back and let Dable go. That was my opinion the beginning of the season. But if they continue to march this way, I mean, Shane looks good too. He's the one that traded back in to get Dart. He was the one that got scattered. So all these things end up on his resume. So you can bring up the empty drafts that he's had. You know, I guess everybody kind of points to the 23 draft. But you know, a lot of the, he acquired the, the guys that three of the four guys that are getting to the quarterback traded for Burns, which looks like a steal from Carolina. So as much as there are people out there and a lot of people that would like to see this blown up and Shane and Dable be gone if this continues, Alan, they're staying.
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Allen
Yeah, absolutely. And, and all you have to do is look at also how Dart responds to Dable. That's the part that if you're the owner, you can't ignore that because if you found a connection and the player has a respect and an understanding for the coach, then there's no chance you make that change. Because now you feel like, okay, I've got the Val. Look, all great NFL teams, the Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, all the coach and that quarterback are generally on the same page. They generally work well together. That's how you have success long term. And that's exactly what you think you're seeing here. You can certainly hear it in the voice of Brian Dabel, talking about him like he's his own child. But when you see Dart and the way Dart is also towards, you can see that that's not something you want to mess with. And now, you know, you. Let's say they don't have success but the kid, you could see it, there's something there, but it's still going to take time. You know, again, what, what you know what, like with Hyatt and then, you know, Lil Jordan and all those guys were doing week after week. Can you expect that if you don't have a guy like neighbors out there, you're gonna run into some games where you just don't have enough talent.
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Alan Hahn
You.
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Allen
They're going to have games like the Saints because they're mostly young on the offensive side. That stuff could happen still. But if you know this kid, I know this quarterback's the stuff and he likes the coach. You don't touch a thing.
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Alan Hahn
Right. You know, why does he like the coach? Does he like the coach because Art's a good guy and just likes his coaches or does he like the coach because he feels like he's growing? Because of him, that he's teaching me things that I'm applying on the field and he's making me into the quarterback that I've become. So if that's the case, then he's not going anywhere.
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Allen
There's no chance. No, this, this looks good and it's a matter of just keep building it from here and, you know, but it's at least you got something to believe in because what's going to happen in London Sunday morning? I don't know what to believe it because now I'm almost at a point, Don, as we'll get into the jets in a moment. I'm almost at a point now where if they win a game, it might ruin everything, which is a terrible thing to say, but that's where I am right now.
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Alan Hahn
No, listen, I've got some things to say about the Jets. We've got a very interesting show guys here. I'm in Tampa, Allen's back in New York. As we get you ready for what's going to be a busy weekend in a lot of different sports. We've got fraud alert Friday coming up at 4:30. We've got our picks at 5:45. We've got another Anthony Pusick led ENN at 6.
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Allen
Love it.
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Alan Hahn
But we're having some technical difficulties with our phones, so we do apologize for that. But. Hey, it's the two. Go ahead. I'm sorry, Alan.
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Allen
I was gonna say that. You know what to do. Just make sure you get to the YouTube channel. There's a place to talk to us right there.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Allen
And we can easily. Instead of take your call, if you have questions, click. That's exactly where we'll go. Perfect.
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Alan Hahn
We've also got social media.
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Allen
Oh, great.
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Alan Hahn
We also have the ability that the emails that are going to be coming in for fraud alert Friday. So there's.
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Allen
This is.
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Alan Hahn
This is not 1985 where there was only one way to communicate. So let's take advantage of know that the phones are working. We'll fix it.
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Allen
We have Morse code.
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Alan Hahn
Do the math. I love you. That was a drop extravaganza. A lot of drop.
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Allen
He wants you to just send it to break. What's up? Boo.
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Alan Hahn
Well, stop at the drops and I'll.
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Allen
Send it to break even though John Mara has a statement about Dable's actions when it comes to the medical tent. Right.
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Alan Hahn
We'll get into that when we come back. Don Hahn and Rosenberg hanging out with you till 7 o' clock right here on ESPN New York ready to fire up your Saturdays?
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Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Alan Hahn
As the Giants celebrate a win over the Philadelphia Eagles, we've got the jets to get into. We got our picks. We got fraud alert Friday. But Allen had mentioned that Dable had poked his head into the concussion protocol tent, which is something you're not allowed to do. So I wouldn't be surprised if Dable and the Giants get fined for this. And John Mara did issue a statement today. He said, I spoke with Coach Dabel this morning about approaching the medical tent last night. While I firmly believe he has, as he stated that he was not trying to influence the process in any way, he understands that the appearance of going into the tent is inappropriate. We have protocols in place as a league to ensure player safety. We need to allow our medical staff to execute those protocols without interference. We understand the situation is under review by the NFL and the nflpa and obviously we will cooperate fully. Now, the reason for that, guys, is because, you know, again, the medical staff is trying to determine whether somebody has a concussion and there's the head coach over their shoulder trying to influence that decision. That's what the league does not want to do. Now Dable's thinking, my guy's ticked off having to go in there and I want to try to calm him down, but it just doesn't look right, Allen. So I'm glad the Giants got out in front of this, but I'm sure Dable's going to be light a few thousand dollars because of that decision.
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Allen
Probably, yeah. The NFL has initiated a review to see if the wrongdoing because you aren't supposed to go. The coach isn't supposed to go in the tent. Cam Scatterboo went in the tent. Cam's the one who said that it sounded like that Jackson was upset and was frustrated and he wanted to calm him down and say, we're good, bro. Don't worry about it. We got you. Dable was trying to get an update and couldn't get one. And he admitted in the post game that he shouldn't have done that. He actually was seen on the sideline going back to the team doctor to apologize for his outburst on the sideline. A lot of emotions. We know Dable does run hot. Like, we've seen that with him. So. But it Isn't right. You don't want to influence it. And you could tell, like, from the way it's being described, that dart was the one that was, like, flipping out once they pulled the tent over him and they were putting him through the process because he wanted to get back out there and play. The problem is, I think this might be the third time he's had to go at least get checked for a concussion in a game.
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Alan Hahn
He definitely had to last week because he was just as upset in the same game.
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Allen
Yeah. So I, I, that's the problem. There is. Let's not make this a routine where you're constantly being checked. He got hit. You could see, though, he takes a lot of head contact, and he just has to get smarter because at some point they're going to close the tent and then they're going to realize, yeah, he's done, he's out for the game, and that's the worst of it. So he's got to, he's lucky that he hasn't been taken out of a game for good yet. But, but it's going to come a time, it just feels like it, where it's going to happen. They have to be careful with him. He's got to be smarter. He does slide at times, but, man, it just seems like there's a lot of replays that show someone's shoulder, someone's helmet catching him in the jaw, side of the head. There's going to be a day where he doesn't come out of that tent and they say he's done for the game. You can't have that.
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Alan Hahn
No. And you also don't want concussions. It could shorten your career. It could just ruin everything.
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Allen
Yeah, but in this, it's hard to. Yeah, it's hard in this sport.
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Alan Hahn
But also, just, we know more about concussions than we did before, you know, I remember, and he didn't mean anything by it. But like, Ron Jaworski one time years ago, like, said, I probably suffered 35 concussions and laughed about it, you know, because he probably did. And they just said, you know, here's some smelling salts. Go back out there.
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Allen
I was just going to bring up smelling salts, Don, have you ever experienced that? No, because there was a time before people really, you know, made much about concussions that I was always like, you know, just shake the cobwebs out was literally the saying. I took an elbow to the side of the head in a college game and all. I remember one thing, I saw, I saw the lights and I thought, it was the ceiling. Like, I thought I fell and was looking up at the, at the field how. At the ceiling. And it wasn't that. And the next thing I knew, and I don't know how I got there, I was sitting on the bench and I had smelling salt under my nose and I was like, remember, I was just freaking out. Shook my head a couple of times, went back in the game. Should have never done that. But there was a different time. Like, nobody. Nobody said anything. They just told you. They just told you like, you good? Like, yeah, yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine. And just like, it's. This is a different world and it's. It's better this way.
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Alan Hahn
There was a time where we didn't know any better, and then there was a time we knew better but didn't bother to tell the player.
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Allen
Yeah. Or the player didn't want to say anything because you don't want to cry.
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Alan Hahn
Which is also the case. But we're all so, you know, with all the lawsuits and everything, the NFL and these sports leagues were in denial about the concussion issues. And now we've actually moved in the complete opposite direction where the game has completely changed because of it. But all that aside, we love those types of players. You know, it's amazing in New York, Alan. And you've been here all my life. All your life. I've been here all my life. New York is looked upon as a very cosmopolitan city, but it's blue collar, man.
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Allen
It's lunch pack.
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Alan Hahn
And we love players that sacrifice their bodies. We love, love players that are all in all the time. So New York is going to fall in love with Jackson Dart. Giant fans are going to just love him like they love Phil. Sims was the same way. Now, Phil got off to a slow start with the injuries, but Phil was tough as nails and fans love that. You know, Wayne Crabette, great story. Walk on. But he was also a guy that just laid out every single play. But much like Wayne Corbett, you know, he suffered for that and you don't want to lose this kid because of it. So he's going to have to find that happy medium of playing at a level that helps the Giants, but also scaling it back just enough that he's able to continue to play every week.
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Allen
Dable's quote today to the. To the writers was that he admitted he said, I went in. I didn't actually go in. He's talking about the tent. Just stuck my head in to see how our quarterback was doing. Just asked him how you're Doing. In no way would I want a player to come back out there if he wasn't ready to play. I think I have a great respect for the process, but the. Oh, we have the cut. Okay. Because I thought this was just a few minutes ago. So here's Dabel explaining what he did with the tent. In the tent.
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Brian Dable
I'm not going to get in that. I do have respect for the process, but it was more. I peeked in for a couple seconds to see how a player that's, you know, important to us, important to me.
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Alan Hahn
How he was doing.
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Brian Dable
Two second question. How you doing, bud? And then relative to the, you know, the questions I had for our team physician was more, how long is it going to be? And however long it's going to be is how long it's going to be relative to making a game dime decision. So that's important. Health and safety is important. I know it's important to John Mara and we'll abide by all those rules.
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Allen
So he shouldn't do any of that.
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Alan Hahn
No, he should have.
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Allen
He. You wait until you're told. He's got to know that you can't be sticking your head because you know what that does when you stick your head in the helmet, you in the. In the tent and look at your quarterback, your young rookie quarterback and say, how you feeling? That's akin to saying like, you ready? You good? Now you start as a player feeling the urgency of like, I gotta get out of here. My coach needs me. So that was. That's a. That's a bad look.
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Alan Hahn
No, it's an awful look. And also what the pressure it puts the doctor under of. Does he now shave off a couple. A couple of things to make it work for the coach? And I don't think he meant any of that.
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Allen
I don't think he meant wrong because.
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Alan Hahn
I just think he's excited. He wants to know. But it's all. You don't understand the influence a head coach has over a player.
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Allen
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. It's a tough look.
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Alan Hahn
What would you.
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Allen
What. I mean, doesn't the league have to do something? He stuck his head in the tent. You shouldn't be doing that.
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Alan Hahn
No, he's going to get fined. He's going to get fined severely and the Giants are going to get fined for it, too.
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Allen
Yes. You got to make it.
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Alan Hahn
He can't do it and Cam can't do it. Just.
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Allen
That's.
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Alan Hahn
But it just shows you. I want to ask you this and you can answer it at the other end. Of the break or whatever. Now is, is he just legitimately excited because it's a coach winning games and it's been a while since team won or do you think he's legitimately excited that his job is being saved? I don't think it's that as much as I was not on board with Dable coming back. I think he's a good guy and I think he wants to win. I think this isn't selfish, like, whoa, I love Jackson Darcy because he's going to save my job. I just think he wants to win and he's excited to have a quarterback he can work with. And I just think he's just all fired up about everything. Like literally firing on all cylinders, you know.
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Allen
Don, it's like, hey, like my offense doesn't suck anymore. Like think about this. You. You create something that you believe in and you know when it's run the right way, it's going to look good. And then you have a guy that runs it into the ground and you're like, that's not what it's supposed to look like, but you look bad because it's your offense. Right? Wouldn't it like if you. Let's say you wrote a. You wrote a song and handed it to somebody and they sung it terribly, wouldn't you just be disgusted? Like, no, somebody that can frickin sing, please. So I can prove that this is a great song. So when you find that person that can sing it, you love them. So like Daniel Jones, he could sing it a little bit, but. But a lot of times he'd make mistakes throughout it and it would just frustrate you get pissed off like, no, that's not how it's supposed to be. And then you get a veteran comes in and they do it their way, but you could tell they don't really. Their heart's not in the song and you're like, like this ain't it either. Then all of a sudden you find that voice and you're like, oh my God, that's it. That's how it's supposed to sound. That's how it's supposed to work. I really think that is the majority of how he feels now. Is there a little part of him that's like finally like I can be. I know I'm not going. They're not going to fire me with this guy. This is going to be great. There's a little bit of that that I'm sure creeps in that. That comfort of finally, okay, I don't have to worry, but I think this is more about I finally found somebody that can sing this song the way it's supposed to be sung.
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Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg Podcast.
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Alan Hahn
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Don Hahn
Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
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Alan Hahn
After a big Giants win over the Philadelphia Eagles, it just real satisfying to finally beat the Eagles, man. Finally win a game in the division. Finally win a game on national television. Finally win a game in prime time. You said all of the different, all the dragons that were slayed and more than you know, makes up for what happened against New Orleans. And we'll see if they can take care of business with the extra few days off here before they go to Denver and take on a Bronco team that's going to play the jets in London. I'll tell you, these London games are weird. It's. It's usually very low scoring. I don't know what to expect in that game. Denver coming off having that, what, 17 unanswered points against the Eagles.
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Allen
Yep.
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Alan Hahn
In the fourth quarter to win that game. But two and four and we'll see if the Giants can keep this momentum going with the extra, you know, kind of the de Facto buy, right. The buy adjacent of not having to play against Sunday.
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Allen
You know, it's funny is you always worried about this, right? Because I'm finally looking at the comments because we aren't getting calls, so I'm keeping an eye on things. So somebody said, thumbs up if you can read them. And I'm reading them again. Scatter with Scott. Scott Van Pelt. And this is what I love about svp, because he asked the question that you're like, is it worth asking this? Yeah, it's worth asking this. And he's so good at the way he asks it. It's like, hey, you know, you guys have the city in the palm of your hands and you got a weekend off. You know, there's a lot of things that can happen in New York City. Like, you know, are you guys going to keep it focus, you know, keep the. The main thing. The main thing. And, you know, avoid the temptations of New York City. And Scott was like, I'm gonna play some video games and I'm not going to be seen. He's like, you know, that's the only thing I'm focused on, staying focused on football, and nothing's going to distract me right now from football. And I smiled because he answered it as if he was, but has been asked or told the same thing. And Don, it's like in today's day, because there was a time where you could say that and then you could be out. Nobody, you know, nobody knows about it. But today with everybody having phones and cameras, like, if you're keeping the main thing, the main thing, you won't be on anybody's social media because you won't be anywhere. So I'm curious to see with the weekend off and a win against the Eagles, and right now, you are the toast of the town is will you. Can you avoid the easy temptations? Because we all know heavy moisture in the air. Donny, when you see that kind of performance and you go out that night, but high humidity.
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Alan Hahn
I. I hear you. I get what you're talking about. But that's kind of the pitfalls of New York. You know, you go back to Matt Harvey. Matt Harvey hit the scene.
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Allen
Perfect example.
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Alan Hahn
And it was. It was an amazing time. It was Harvey Day. And then he's taken those strange subject, subjective pictures in. In the New York Post. And it's like, what's going on here? Like, is he. Is he getting a little too caught up the page six in the fame?
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Allen
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
And then when you lose, then that becomes the reason. Like, if he just never left his hotel room, never left his house, wasn't going to nick games at Madison Square Garden and having supermodels on his arm and posing for pictures in the New York Post. And he just disappeared and just played baseball. The same thing may have happened, but that becomes the reason. Same thing with Odell Beckham Jr. His head's too big. New York is eating them alive. He, he's doing all that. Maybe he would have done those things anyway, I don't know. But that becomes the reason. So if Dart. Because this, this is what's going to be next if this continues. And again, it's, it's, it's been very brief. We'll see where it all goes. We could be having a conversation two weeks from now like what happened to these two guys. That's how fleeting sports are. Yeah, but if, if this continues, then there's going to be commercials, there's going to be opportunities, there's going to be, you know, an appearances on Kimmel or Fallon and then the four interception game that comes the next week. Or Scatter Boo drops a couple of passes or fumbles the ball away. It'll be because of all the extra stuff they did, not just because that's the maturation process of an NFL football player.
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Allen
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
That's why I always err on the side of these players just doing very little. Don't, don't create built in excuses, you know, stuff like that. Don't, don't, don't give people the chum for that. You know, it'll come, it'll happen. So that's the only that those are the pitfalls of doing it in New York. Right. Because if that Saints game came after a few appearances, then, then it wouldn't have been young mistakes.
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Allen
It would have been.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, Maybe if you're focused on football and not flying across the country to be on Kimmel, maybe this never would have happened.
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Allen
Think about it. That whole banana boat thing wouldn't have been a thing if they didn't go to Green Bay and play the way they play, where they couldn't catch a ball. Right. That was the whole meme. That's why it turned into what it turned into because of how poorly they played in that game that year that with, with McAdoo. They made the playoffs.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. In 16.
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Allen
But there's no greater example than Joe Namath. Yeah, I was reading, name is, I was reading the book. It's like Namath would get killed like as well as he would play, he'd also have these five Interception games. Like, he'd have these. These bad games. And he was famous for going out. He never hit it. Famous for, you know, having multiple companions on multiple nights and talking about, like, he was happy being the playboy of New York City and never hit it. And so when he didn't play well, it was the first thing everybody went to. And it's always what they blame. It's like Mickey said, women weaken legs. Like, that's just the attitude we all have. So when you see players like this and they're young and you could see the boundless energy ripping off their shirts and just the poses and all the fun stuff, it's always the next thing you think of is, oh, my God, these dudes are going to hit the clubs tonight and they're going to tear it up. Because that we're all, like, we're all human. That's how we feel. But we also know that if they get. They fall into that trap, New York, it's like, it's same as la. It eats you alive. And nobody wants to see that either. So not only do we need to see your strength and discipline on the field, can you show us that same strength and discipline off it? It might be just as challenging as trying to run through a defensive line to get a touchdown.
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Alan Hahn
But it is amazing how things just electrify in New York. Like, Tommy DeVito wouldn't have happened anyplace else. And I'm not just saying because he was a Jersey kid, paisan stuff. It's just that we really eat that. This city just does that.
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Allen
Right.
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Alan Hahn
It just magnifies everything. And so that's why it's just so easy to fall into this. There are great stories all around the league of young kids who play, perform well. And you do it in Green Bay, you do it in Denver, and you do it, you know, wherever it hits.
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Allen
Different here.
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Alan Hahn
It's different in New York, isn't it?
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Allen
Yeah, it's a true thing. And whether that people like it or not, I don't. Yeah, I don't care. Hey, Jared asked this question on YouTube. Don, if the Giants win again next week at Denver, does that change your outlook on their seat on their season ceiling? If so, how? It's a fair question.
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Alan Hahn
Well, it's a fair question because if that were to happen, all right, then that would be three real quality wins. Now, I don't know what's going to happen to the Chargers because they lost again against Washington, but there's no shame in losing to the Commanders. But if your three wins are The Chargers, Eagles and Broncos. That's no joke. Now, you did lose to the Saints.
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Allen
But, but you could.
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Alan Hahn
Then you start saying, well, if, well, is this schedule really that difficult, Alan? Like, if they can go to Denver and win, if they can beat the Chargers and the Eagles and they never beat the Eagles, then why couldn't they beat the Eagles again? Why couldn't they beat the Cowboys in MetLife Stadium? Why couldn't they beat the Commanders in MetLife Stadium? How does it not change your outlook on the season? If you, if you now string two straight wins together against playoff teams from last year, one of them the defending champion, one in a very difficult place to play in Denver, how does it not change your perspective?
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Allen
Okay, what would the expectation be then? Would you start thinking the P word?
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Alan Hahn
Well, no, no. At three and four.
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Allen
Sorry.
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Alan Hahn
Because that's what you would be. Right.
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Allen
So, but, but looking at, looking at the NFC and the landscape is there for. If you're starting to the worm start.
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Alan Hahn
Now you turn, see, you're being that guy.
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Allen
No, I'm not being that guy. That's what you're supposed to do.
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Alan Hahn
No, what I'm supposed to do, because I'm not going to just all of a sudden in two weeks go from blow it up, this organization doesn't know what they're doing, to all of a sudden start talking about playing playoffs in a very, very tough schedule that they have the rest of the way. But the perspective changes from, you know, can they win six games? Can they win seven games? You know, I'm not going to jump from in two weeks that they can make the playoffs. I need to see the rest of the landscape because obviously, what's Philadelphia going to be? What's Dallas going to be? We thought they were going to be much better than they actually are.
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Allen
You don't know.
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Alan Hahn
You know, the landscape has kind of changed. The packers look like they've got holes. Everybody anointed the them as the, the team that was going to go to the super bowl representing the nfc. That, that doesn't look like the case. The Rams look like they've got a ton of holes. So maybe, maybe, maybe the landscape changes over time, Alan. But for me, I mean, you could do what you want, but for me, if they're three and four and just and beat Denver in Denver, then I start saying that maybe seven wins are on the table. And then we could start talking about can they get to 9? And then when you say that, then you start talking about the P word.
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Allen
I like talking about the P word.
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Alan Hahn
What's the matter with talking about playoffs?
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Allen
Nothing, baby. Nothing.
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Alan Hahn
Because you're all drunk on a preseason game.
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Allen
Yeah, the P word I have is a preseason game that looked like a regular season game.
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Alan Hahn
Well, I was just saying if it happened any other day, it would get much more low.
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Allen
I know, but who is. That was a. I'll tell you, that was a fun first half, man. That was a lot of fun. But nobody was watching. Not even Don.
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Alan Hahn
Well, I was there. I was there for you when I could be. But there was a lot going on last night.
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Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Allen
I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.
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Don Hahn
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Allen
Talk about stepping up.
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