Hour 1: Be Mad at the Giants

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary Episode: Hour 1: Be Mad at the Giants
Release Date: February 10, 2025

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Introduction

In the "Be Mad at the Giants" episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast, hosts Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve deep into the aftermath of the recent Super Bowl, focusing on the performance of the New York Giants, the halftime show controversy, and broader NFL dynamics. The conversation is rich with analysis, personal insights, and spirited debates, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts and loyal listeners alike.

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1. Super Bowl Halftime Show and Kendrick Lamar's Performance

Timestamp: [01:00] – [04:54]

The episode kicks off with a discussion centered around Kendrick Lamar's Super Bowl halftime show. The hosts dissect the subtle (and not-so-subtle) jabs aimed at Drake, exploring the implications of Kendrick's performance choices and the subsequent reactions from fans and the media.

• Peter Rosenberg initiates the conversation by highlighting the audience's fascination with Kendrick's potential digs:

  "What's happening, boys?... allowing people the room to give theories on what they saw from Kendrick last night..." ([01:04])

• Don LaGreca expresses his focus solely on the music rather than the underlying beef:

  "I'm really not into that stuff. Right. Like, I'm really not into that stuff." ([01:26])

• Alan Hahn shares his experience at a Super Bowl party where younger fans were more attuned to the performance nuances:

  "There were girls... partially into the game... they knew every song. They were totally into it." ([03:09])

The trio debates whether Kendrick's performance was a strategic move by the NFL to generate intrigue or a personal statement against Drake, with Peter Rosenberg suggesting:

"Maybe the NFL knew if we don't have a halftime show with this much intrigue, we're not going to have anything because that game was pure hot filth." ([04:54])

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2. Analysis of the Giants' Performance and NFL Team Strategies

Timestamp: [04:54] – [17:08]

The conversation shifts to a critical analysis of the New York Giants' performance in the Super Bowl, scrutinizing the team's management, coaching decisions, and overall strategy.

• Alan Hahn criticizes the Giants' inability to retain key players, especially Saquon Barkley, highlighting the team's flawed decision-making:

  "I'm mad at the Giants that they were in a position to let him go." ([23:08])

• Don LaGreca echoes the frustration, emphasizing the consequences of poor organizational choices:

  "We will never be able to forget how trash we are." ([29:25])

• The hosts delve into the importance of effective leadership, comparing successful teams like the Philadelphia Eagles and Commanders to the struggling Giants:

  "You need talented players, but at the end of the day, you need coaches to make those guys work." ([05:44])

• Peter Rosenberg underscores the necessity of acquiring top-tier coaching talent, questioning the Giants' recruitment strategies:

  "Why has it become... get the best. Get the best. Who's the best? Go get him." ([17:34])

The discussion also touches on salary cap implications and the challenges teams face in attracting elite coaching talent without restrictions.

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3. Reactions to the Halftime Show and Inclusivity in Artist Selection

Timestamp: [17:08] – [37:35]

The hosts transition to evaluating the public's reception of the Super Bowl halftime show, debating the balance between inclusivity and catering to diverse audiences.

• Don LaGreca criticizes the perceived selective outrage towards urban and hip-hop artists:

  "It was aggressive. It didn't cater to a lot of the demographic. It should be more inclusive." ([30:07])

• Alan Hahn reflects on past halftime shows dominated by older, predominantly white artists, illustrating that criticism isn't new:

  "Back to back, they went Aerosmith, they went Aerosmith, U2, Shania Twain, back to back." ([35:01])

• The trio discusses the evolving nature of the halftime show, acknowledging that no selection can satisfy all viewers:

  "We all agree the game sucked. It was not a great game. It was not a fun game to watch." ([23:51])

• Peter Rosenberg highlights the fragmentation of audience perceptions due to social media bubbles:

  "We don't live in a world anymore where we even share a shared reality." ([39:21])

The segment underscores the complexities of artist selection for high-profile events like the Super Bowl, balancing tradition with evolving cultural preferences.

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4. Detailed Game Analysis: Chiefs vs. Eagles and Mahomes' Performance

Timestamp: [37:35] – [48:06]

The podcast delves into a comprehensive analysis of the Chiefs' disappointing performance against the Eagles, with a particular focus on Patrick Mahomes' underwhelming game.

• Alan Hahn expresses his disappointment with Mahomes, reflecting on his past performances and questioning his current form:

  "You had Jason Tatum and we were going through like what was Tatum have to do to outshine Patrick Mahomes Saturday night..." ([46:56])

• Don Hahn compares Mahomes' performance to past NFL greats who have had standout low points:

  "Think about Peyton Manning against that Seattle defense in Super Bowl 48... There was like a ton of turnovers. He was awful in that game." ([41:01])

• Peter Rosenberg critiques the offensive strategies employed by the Chiefs, suggesting fundamental flaws that led to their downfall:

  "The commanders in the end lost by like 33 points to the Eagles. You can't tell me the commander's game wasn't much closer than that Super Bowl." ([43:16])

• The hosts discuss the broader implications of coaching and player management, emphasizing the need for cohesive team dynamics:

  "You have to get the coach, you have to get the quarterback or you can't win." ([12:50])

This segment offers listeners an in-depth look at game mechanics, player performance metrics, and strategic missteps that contributed to the Chiefs' loss.

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Conclusion

The "Be Mad at the Giants" episode offers a multifaceted examination of recent NFL events, combining passionate fan perspectives with critical sports analysis. From dissecting halftime show controversies to scrutinizing team strategies and player performances, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg provide listeners with engaging content that balances entertainment with insightful commentary.

Notable Quotes:

• "We don't live in a world anymore where we even share a shared reality." – Peter Rosenberg ([39:21])
• "You need talented players, but at the end of the day, you need coaches to make those guys work." – Don Hahn ([05:44])
• "I do think that their record, in spite of how good it was, they were a bit of a fraud." – Peter Rosenberg ([44:29])

For fans eager to dive deeper into these discussions, the episode is available on all major podcast platforms via the ESPN New York app or your preferred podcast provider.

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Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

I'll be licking the television screen. Licking it like it's ice cream.

[Don Hahn]

Han. Oh, the type of music I listen to would make you cry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Rosenberg, I expect to be called ball coach.

[Alan Hahn]

This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.

[Don Hahn]

This is Don Hahn and Rosenberg on 8 80, ESPN and the ESPN New York app. Oh, here we go. On a Monday in New York City with Don Lagreca and Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Hahn.

[Alan Hahn]

Hello.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I gotta tell you this.

[Don Hahn]

What's happening, boys?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The little interaction that we just had with the caseter on his way out.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Shapes kind of what I think should at least be a slice of the show today.

[Don Hahn]

What do you mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which is allowing people the room to give theories on what they saw from Kendrick last night and some questions from the people. Alan, who didn't understand it.

[Don Hahn]

Theorizing? Is that what you're saying?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, theorizing. And also people like Michael who are like. He's like, was it good? What did it mean?

[Don Hahn]

That was my biggest. The problem I had was this is. I'm watching it now. I. I know the music. Right. That's the only thing I focus on, the beef and the drama. I can't get into it. It's not for me. Right. Like, I'm really not into that stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

So for me, it's more the music. And so you hear the songs that you know, and you're like, all right. But I knew to pay attention because I knew to say, is he gonna go there? Is he gonna do not like us? Is he? And then the minute you hear the teases, I'm like, he's gonna do it. And then Samuel L. Was letting you know that he was playing this role of, here's what corporate America wants. The NFL wants and that. So I'm watching it now, paying attention more than I should have. But I do think, were you watching.

[Peter Rosenberg]

With your kids too, or no?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

But, you know, like, they weren't they weren't checked in. My 16 year old daughter was mad because she wanted to be like somebody she likes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Got it. She's not a kid fan.

[Don Hahn]

No, she could care less about that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

So my wife was also saying, like, what's this about? And I have. Trying to explain it to her, but. But Don, like, I feel like there were a lot of people watching that might have said this is a good show, but I don't know what's going on. You almost feel like I'm left out of the show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you just enjoyed it though. You still thought it was an entertaining show. You didn't understand what he was.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't. It was over my head. I didn't know because I was at a Super bowl party and there were some teenage girls. There was a couple that brought their. Their girls and they were half into the game. But then when Kendrick was on, they knew every song. They knew the words to every song. So they were totally into it. And they kind of filled me in on what was going on. And then you kind of dotted the I's and crossed the t's for me. And then everybody was like, is that Serena Williams? But the girls didn't necessarily make the connection.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right? They don't get the same.

[Alan Hahn]

And then you text me, I'm like, I text, was that Serena Williams? And then you explained to me that that's one of Drake's exes. And I'm like, wow, this is like full blown troll.

[Don Hahn]

There's so much going on to the.

[Alan Hahn]

Point where, like, between that and the Grammys, everybody is siding with Kendrick. And I don't mean this. Like, I shouldn't even joke about this. Are they keeping, like Drake's belt away from him? Like, I can't go. The whole world has sided with Kendrick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, here's what I'll say. I have legitimately had that thought because while I would say overall I side with Kendrick, and I certainly have a better relationship with Kendrick and his team than Drake and his. I do have a fondness for Drake. I'm not going to say that I don't. I do worry about him. But Drake is currently doing sold out arenas in Australia, okay, with 20,000 people screaming for him. If you can separate yourself from it and just go away for a while and live in your bubble, he's still. Listen, if you see Drake walking down the street, is someone gonna. Is someone gonna yell, you're a loser? Are people gonna go, oh my God, it's true?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think 90% are still going.

[Alan Hahn]

I just don't know why I hope the NFL would give a platform to somebody to go after one individual the way that he did, even if it was subliminal or even if it was over most people's heads. Because if it was over somebody's head, like me, well, less than 24 hours later, I'm caught up and the allegations are pretty intense. Very much so. To where, if I were the NFL, be like, listen, perform, man. But you can't do that. But was it money? Yeah, it was money. I don't have a dog in the fight. I only know I probably know more Drake songs than I know Kendrick song.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about this? Maybe the NFL knew if we don't have a halftime show with this much intrigue, we're not going to have anything because that game was pure hot filth. And Don, hold on. I want to set my guy up. All year, you said the Chiefs could be had. Michael teased you. Other people did come on all year. But what you said, this is not a joke. It turned out to be true. You were right. They could be had. And in this case, had isn't that they lost. They showed that there were some fundamental flaws to this team, Don, and they got absolutely wrecked last night. So flowers to you. You said it all year and they were had.

[Alan Hahn]

And I listen. Yeah, own it. I had picked the Eagle, and you picked.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the only guy on the show picked the Eagle.

[Alan Hahn]

And I did pick Jalen Hurts to be the mvp. And the logic behind that, like I said, was I don't think Spagnola is going to allow Saquon to go off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And boy, were you right. Don't give everybody.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't give defenders MVPs. And I figure if as long as Hertz doesn't screw it up, I thought maybe after the interception that it might hurt him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But no, that was.

[Alan Hahn]

Again, he didn't have amazing numbers, but you had to give it to somebody, and they gave it to him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But by the way, I'd give Hertz a little bit more credit than that.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah, he had a good game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He did some big passes.

[Alan Hahn]

It wasn't like Kansas City's defense got torched. It was they. They made a ton of mistakes. They turned the ball over, and Philadelphia just ate them alive, their defense. And give a lot of credit to Fangio because there's not a lot of household names on that defense.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm sure to Eagle fans, those guys are household names, but it's not even a level of. There's no, you know, when you talk, they've got.

[Don Hahn]

They don. They have like half of Alabama and Georgia's defense. I mean, they did a really good job drafting like that. If you follow college football, there's a.

[Alan Hahn]

Lot of brand names, but I'm just saying there isn't. Like when it was the Baltimore Ravens, you. You.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You knew every casual Suggs.

[Alan Hahn]

Like there was a lot of guys and even going back to the Giants or you and your and Tuck, like, but they just. They're so deep and they're so fast. It was everything that Sal said that that fast turf is going to help their defense. The only thing Sal got wrong is Saquon didn't rush for 100 yards. He didn't have to because it just got completely out of hand. And we were just talking about the feud between Drake and Kendrick Lamar. Are the Giants Drake? I think the Giants are Drake because you see Michael Strahan, he's waving the Eagle flag. I mean, that's a Giant hall of Famer waving the eagle flag. Like, it really felt like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why do you do that?

[Alan Hahn]

Because in the moment the Giants are being trolled like Drake, like, it's all about like even Michael Obedi show. Well, they gave up Saquon and Saquon, you know, goes. Wins the Super Bowl. It just feels like the Giants are being trolled for not knowing anything what they're doing. And then there's Philadelphia sitting there and a team that's not going to be going anywhere and certainly Washington isn't going to be going anywhere anytime soon. And Dallas is way more talented than the Giants are that the Giants are just looking at this NFC east going, when are we ever going to be good again? But right now it just seems like the Giants are Drake and Kendrick Lamar, the Philadelphia Eagles and they're celebrating having Saquon and they're celebrating making all the right moves. And the epitome of the Philadelphia Eagles right now are the New York Giants.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. So you're saying that Serena seawalking during the performance. It's this Michael Strange we gonna fly.

[Don LaGreca]

Eagles fly for Saquon Barley. Because I respect and love it, man, so much.

[Alan Hahn]

No, got it off.

[Don Hahn]

See, we don't have a flag in New York forever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, I understand you love and respect. That's kind of ironic. You loved him so much because he was a good Giant that you're celebrating the Eagles.

[Alan Hahn]

That is trolling. That's why I compare Drake, because Strahan doesn't cover the Giants. Strahan never played with Saquon Bartlett, like, listen, we all agree Saquon is a gem. And Peter and I always talked about Allen that year that Michael couldn't do the Giants training camp, and Peter and I were out there, and Saquon gave us, like, a half hour, and he was so nice. We walked away saying, boy, he's such a great kid.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, we loved him.

[Alan Hahn]

So. Everybody loved Saquon. But a former Giant Super bowl hall of Famer, you know, waving the flag, talking about winning for Saquon? Come on. We all love Saquon, but you're going to throw away your entire Giant legacy and wave the flag and talk like that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, I.

[Alan Hahn]

That is worse than what Serena did last year. No, it was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's. That's awful. Michael, I love you. Stray. That's a terrible job, but. All right, let me ask you, Don. I got a couple things I got to get off here. Be honest. So I went back and forth. You guys know. I said initially, after the championship games, I said, I'm rooting for Philly. Then I saw the videos of the Eagles fans taunting Commander's fans, and I said, what am I doing? I can't root for Philly. I don't want to root for anyone. As you guys heard on Friday, I was disgusted by all of it. I had no dog in the fight. When it came down to it in the first half, the first big Mahomes interception, as I knew this thing was getting away, I started enjoying it. I started enjoying seeing it crumble. And I got to ask, you, don't. In your heart, did you enjoy seeing the Eagles beat the hell out of.

[Alan Hahn]

The Chiefs last night? You know, it's. Here's the way I would word it. I not once rooted for the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, good.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't root for the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm not a fraud.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But.

[Alan Hahn]

But I wasn't mad about what was happening to the Chiefs. It sucked that it was the Eagles doing it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Alan Hahn]

But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you had some fun.

[Alan Hahn]

Here's the thing. And I'm seeing people, and they're calling you a fraud for what you tweeted out. Essentially, what you tweeted out is what you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

That you're enjoying. What's. All the rules that we put together in the two weeks we talked about it with Dave Rothenberg. You can't root for the Eagles if you're in the NFC east and Peter's a fraud. Don can't do it. And all. If there's a team that I hate more than any other team in the NFL right now despise the sight of sickened by are the New York Giants. That's where my hate lies. Because it's really hard. I gotta be honest with you. It's really hard for me to hate the Philadelphia Eagles when I'm not in the game as a Giant fan. I'm not in the game when the Giants were good and they had, you know, Seahorn picking off the Eagles in the playoffs or when Donovan McNabb beat the Giants in 2008 after Plaxico Burra shot himself. And all the different things that have happened with the Giants and the Eagles going Back to the 80s, the Giants were in the game. They were playing in the game. They were in the conversation. And your hate was ratcheted up because the games meant something. Allen, you know what I'm talking about. My team's not in the game. My team's not even in the sport right now. So I'm tired of hearing the conversations. Michael brought it up too. Bad job the Giants not bringing back Saquon Barkley. Philadelphia, we took him. The Giants should have kept. It's not about the Eagles keeping getting Saquon Barkley. They knew they were close. The Giants didn't keep him because they knew they were not close. And they're not even close. They don't have a general manager the way Philadelphia does. They don't have the coaching Philadelphia has. And the thing that also makes me sick is all the Giants should have lost games. So they could have got Jaden Daniels. They would have screwed him up. Because it's about coaching. You need talented players, but at the end of the day, you need coaches to make those guys work. Why do you think Saquon is as good as he is? Because there's nothing but great players around him. They were able to take Makai Becton off the scrap heap. The jets didn't know what to do with him. They drafted him and then messed him up. Then he goes to Philadelphia and he's just laying guys out. Why? Because they're well coached. Because they've got a general manager that knows how to put a team together. So if you want to express hate, oh, I hate the Cowboys. I hate the Commanders. I hate the Eagles. I can't root for anybody in the nfc. Ease. Well, how about we just hate the Giants and make them turn it around? Why can't they be like the Eagles? So everybody's got the same salary cap.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everybody.

[Alan Hahn]

Everybody's got the same information. Everybody's got their draft picks. Last I checked, Philadelphia wasn't Taken. Jalen hurts. First overall, they were able to pick Saquon Barkley from another organization. Where was the Philadelphia tank, Peter? Where was all the losses they had to accumulate? All those players, where were they? What was the. Sean taken? What, the 40th overall?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mm.

[Alan Hahn]

So. Oh, you got a tag. I can't believe the Giants won the. Peter, the Giants won games. Oh, Tommy DeVito won games. That's why we're so bad. No, they're bad because they don't know what the heck they're doing. And that should make you enraged, so stop it. All you gotta take. Why are they winning games? They don't know what they're doing. Get people in there to know what they're doing. So if you want to hate people, you want to get mad, get mad at the Giants. So, yeah, I'm glad Philadelphia wiped the floor with Kansas City, because I was sick of the Chiefs. And anything that sticks into the Giants right now, I'm all for. Because I want them to be humiliated. I want John Marrow to look at that super bowl, bathe in its stink, and say, I need to make changes so I can be that team again. So I hope the Cowboys win. I hope the Commanders win. I hope the Eagles win every damn Super Bowl. Because you know what? They've got to change what they are as an organization. I want them to be embarrassed and humiliated. To change.

[Don Hahn]

That's the only time you do see change, unfortunately, it's when you reach that point of no return when you're embarrassed. And you know what? Taking all that in, Don, and by the way, passionate. Love it.

[Alan Hahn]

Take it in.

[Don Hahn]

Passion. Because that's exactly what a fan is supposed to sound like in that moment is you were. You know, what happened to you. Both of you. Right? Both. But not as much you, Peter, as much as you, Don. You were forced to do this. The Giants did this to you because they are so inept and they're so bad, they made you sit there and have some joy and no anger. Watching a division rival, a hated rival, have success on the biggest stage. Think about where you are as a fan, that you could sit back and have so much apathy that you could actually enjoy watching that. That is. You're absolutely right. That doesn't. That's not you being a fraud. Oh, how could you root for the Eagles? No, it's. You know how I can. Because I'm dead inside, because the Giants did this to me. And you know, when you watch. And I'll do this from a Jets fan perspective, you know, you Watch. And you think, how could they not get Patrick Mahomes? He was there. The jets had a pick, they could have taken him. They took a safety. Like they, like, why didn't they see this? Right? Like, like I think this and I stopped myself and I realized it and I think I text this in the group with you guys, do you know what? Everybody who, when you root for a team that sucks, don't root for. Don't say to yourself, why couldn't we get a player like that? Look at Howie Roseman and say, why can't we get a guy like that? That's where it started. Everybody wants to. Well, you gotta get the coach, you gotta get the quarterback or you can't win. No, you gotta get the guy who runs the organization from the top, who understands how to draft, how to build, how to put a roster together, because that's what that guy does.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, don't say they're not. That's a great point, Allen. And they exist. Sorry to be that guy and pointed out, but can I do it? Commanders went and got Adam Peters immediately the right off season acquisitions, immediately the right draft pick. These people do exist. You have to go to the right guys.

[Don Hahn]

Joe Douglas was supposed to be that who's tree did he fall off of? Howie Roseman. He worked in Baltimore with Ozzie Newsom and he worked by Howie Roseman. You would think by osmosis you would know what the hell you're doing. But it didn't work out. Now that's when you can say, is it Joe Douglas or is it the organization? But we're gonna have to find out now going forward here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But are we sure with Joe Shane though?

[Don Hahn]

That's my point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are we sure that Joe Shane came from the right place?

[Don Hahn]

No, we don't. We can't be sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't get me wrong, that's a good organization. But he didn't come from San Francisco, he didn't come from Green Bay. Guys, there's only a handful of places that get it right every year.

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's not many. Buffalo's not one of them.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what kind of scares me about what the jets did. Because what the Giants did was take. Let's take the talent and let's take the brain trust from the team that can't win the big one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Alan Hahn]

And that's kind of what Detroit is in the nfc, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, oh boy, I don't know. Why'd you do it?

[Alan Hahn]

Because it's true.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because it's true.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, now, I'm not saying they can't win it next year, but I'm just saying is that you're not taking from the champions. You're taking from the teams that can't beat the champions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Dude, it's literally at this point, I would say get your person from San Francisco, get them from Kansas City, get them from Green Bay. Who are the teams every year in contention?

[Don Hahn]

Is there any salary cap on staff?

[Alan Hahn]

No, there's no cap.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Pay him anything you want.

[Don Hahn]

You could pay them as much as you want. Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Buy them cars.

[Don Hahn]

Filthy amount of money.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Women.

[Don Hahn]

So why are you getting all of it? Whatever they want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know if that's.

[Alan Hahn]

It's New York.

[Don Hahn]

Give them whatever they want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not North Dakota.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, some people have needs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So all I'm saying is go get the guy.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No matter what.

[Don Hahn]

Like, why has it become. Get the underling. Go get the. The inexperienced guy who is just around, like, getting him coffee. No, what it did. Like, again. What? When. When these teams were at their best.

[Alan Hahn]

What you do.

[Don Hahn]

You went and got the best. Get me the best. Who's the best? Go get him. Pat Riley. Go get him, Dave. Check it. Still wouldn't take no for an answer. Get me that guy. He's the best.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, do you. Did you get the guy because he's the guy, or did you get the guy because he kind of fits what other NFL teams are getting? Well, you got to get the young assistant because those are the genius. Is it the right guy, or is it just fit the mold of what the. What the Rams did with the 49ers. They get the young guy, the young offensive guy, the young defensive guy, and just assume he's brilliant because it worked in other places. Or are you just getting the right guy? Last I checked, Nick Fangio doesn't exactly fall into the young hipster defensive coordinator, 66 years old. And you know what? They laughed him out of Miami because he was old school and he was a disciplinarian and he held his players accountable. Well, nobody wants that anymore. Get out of.

[Don Hahn]

Yes, they do.

[Alan Hahn]

Get out of the 80s, Don. It's the new NFL. Oh, yeah. All of a sudden, the Eagles get him a team that was a mess, a team that their head coach and their quarterback couldn't get along. So what they do is that they get an offensive and defensive coordinator that knew what they were doing, get the best out of their head coach, get the best out of their players, and they win a Super Bowl. So that's how you do it. There's no exact formula. It's get the right guy. I don't care if he's 70 or older. He's 30. Oh, you can't. Pete Carroll can't be the guy. Allen, he's 71 years old.

[Don Hahn]

I guarantee you. You know what we'll see from the Raiders? They'll be organized.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, they're going to. Haven't been organized. Didn't know what they were doing. Now, I'm not saying they're going to win right away. No, but you'll see. Take note of the calendar, but you're going to see. And you did eventually see it in Denver, right? Like, it took a while, but then they got the right guy, they got the right quarterback, and what do they do? They find themselves in the playoffs. There are guys, they're going to stabilize your organization, get you on the right track. But everybody wants to get the young, hip coach. That's what everybody else is doing. That's the secret sauce. That's the formula. I would always say the right guy.

[Don Hahn]

I just. Like I said, Don, like, I feel like when you are a New York team and you have all this money that you can spend, there's nobody's going to limit how much you can spend. And I find out that, let's say Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan's contract is up and they're working on an extension with where he is, first thing I do is reach out to the agent. Hey, not so fast. Before you sign that. Let's have a. Let's have a conversation before you do that, Right? Like, shouldn't you be in on that? Like, I'm gonna go bird dog your coach because this guy's good. I want him, and I'll pay way more than you will. Like, I just don't understand why that never happens. It's always, let's get the underling and Hope it works out. 800 now. 1 9.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Fair point.

[Don Hahn]

377 6. We have tons of calls to get to here, but I feel like today I need to start with Tessa. Only. Only because of your rant, Don.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, Jessa.

[Don LaGreca]

Listen. Hey, guys. Thank you so much, Don. See, this is what I'm saying. While me and you just. I feel like we Spirited twin, you know, twins and the Giants just fandomonium. Because I didn't even go to freaking work today in the South. I didn't even go down there because all them Philly fans. What I'm trying to say is this. We will never be able to forget how trash we are. Because commentators, everybody in the world keeps saying, like, oh, I bet you Giants fans feel like this, feel like that. You couldn't even hate on Saquon. Or the Philadelphia just say, because they was punching Casey in the mouth. But we just didn't want him. Why didn't we want this man? Why didn't we want him? Tell us something. This man was begging on Hard Knocks. It was embarrassing to the point how he's begging. You know where I want to be at? But Joe Shingle say, I don't want to have a $40 million quarterback paying this guy. Like, you're an idiot. And now because y'all hired bunk trash people. Now, we stuck with these same two, but who knows? Because you don't want to keep firing coaches every two years. Everybody is far in beyond us. We are trash. I don't see a winning season for the next, like, five years. I can't take that.

[Alan Hahn]

Guys.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm gonna be a spokesperson for tums because I got so much acid reflux from my team. I'm sick of this. And it's just like, you see this yesterday. You see the commanders up and coming. You know, Dallas always gonna be in the game. It's like, how much more do we have to suck? I don't understand this. I can't even enjoy at least KT getting punched and embarrassed. I can't even enjoy it. I don't want to hear no more comparison about basketball. You look discombo bobulated yesterday. He looked lost in the soft. Embarrassing what happened to them.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but stay on the Giants, though, test, because that's really what this is about more than anything. You know what I mean?

[Don LaGreca]

I'm back on the Giants.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm just so. I just. As a Giants fan, my damn it doll is done. I like. I don't even know what I did with it. The head is off on my. Damn it, dog. I just can't deal with this because of the simple fact is this. Why is it taking us so long to get one thing right? We can't get one thing right. And then we did have somebody that was special. He was special. A supernova talent. You just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But at the same time, Tess, he. He was special. He was not. And they got it wrong. They should have kept him. But let's not overemphasize that piece. I understand why it's symptomatic of the fact that everything's wrong here. But the sake Juan part just makes it more annoying. It's not the reason you're in the place you're in.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I'm not mad at the Giants for letting Saquon go. I'm mad at the Giants that they were in a position to let him go.

[Don Hahn]

Exactly. Because drafted him and in five years they found no use for him.

[Alan Hahn]

They found no use for him. And the new regime came in, had a couple of years to kind of get it right, set it right, and then bring Saquon back. But because they took such a huge step back there, made no sense. I just don't like where they are right now. And she's right. When is it going to change? First of all, you've got two quality teams in your division and then Dallas, who's still better than you, and you brought it, you ran it back and you don't know who your quarterback is going to be.

[Don Hahn]

And you got to be fighting with a lot of teams, including, by the way, the jets, to find your next quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

Now that's another topic we got to get into.

[Don Hahn]

We are going to. There's a lot of topics to get to today. I know the game was the game. The game sucked. Let's all agree the game sucked. It was not a great game. It was not a fun game to watch. After a minute you realize this was not going to be a comeback. This was not going to be an epic classic game whatsoever. It was a bad football game for the most part, unless you were an Eagles fan. But there's so many other storylines to get to when it involves the two local football teams that we have to get to. We also want to talk about Friday. We had a great time Friday, Saturday night. I want to talk about Peter. I don't want to talk about it at all. Whatever happened Saturday night? Oh, I don't want to talk about it. But oh, yeah, we're going to have.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just when we just when Weekend Warrior comes out.

[Don Hahn]

Don't want to talk about that either.

[Alan Hahn]

So conveniently, there's a lot of things to touch on, but I don't want.

[Don Hahn]

To talk about it. 800-93776. So we are just getting started and we will talk with you next. Don Juan Rosenberg, 880 ESPN.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, it was very aggressive. Very aggressive. No doubt about that, man. Don Rosenberg, 880 ESPN we got, I mean, there's lots to get to know. The super bowl itself was. It was what it was. But I'm sure there are still things to say about the dynasty that wasn't. And then the halftime show, which we'll certainly discuss. How about St. John's on Friday night after our show? Wow, big dub. Yeah, huge. Yeah. Top 10 now. And by the way, guys, tonight, you Jazz Lakers tonight. Why is that significant? On espn, Luka Doncic is now listed as probable. Hey, now, might see him. So as the NBA starts to kind of take over here with the NFL pushed with the season over, but a lot for the local team still to come, including how soon will it be till we hear officially that the jets will move on from Aaron Rodgers.

[Alan Hahn]

Ritz Amini made it seem like it'll be as early as today.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. And we're still waiting. But still it does feel like that's, that's coming. In the meantime, your calls are coming. 800-919-3776. Esther in Edison. Hi, Esther.

[Don LaGreca]

Hey, can you guys hear me?

[Don Hahn]

We have you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We sure can.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay. Awesome. Hi, guys.

[Alan Hahn]

Hello.

[Don LaGreca]

Comment on the halftime show and this like, fake outrage that everyone is, like, expressing. So I wanted to say so for the2020s, for like the past five years, we have definitely kind of had some artists who cater more urban, if you want to put it that way. But if you look at the two decades prior to that, it's like almost exclusively like white artists. Right? So is there outrage? Huh?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is there outrage? It's not in my world.

[Don LaGreca]

So this year's super bowl halftime show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. I didn't know if there's outrage.

[Alan Hahn]

A lot of people killing it. A lot of people that I saw on social media thought it was awful.

[Don Hahn]

Correct, huh?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. I guess we all live in our own algorithm, right? So to me, everyone was dissecting it. What did it mean? What is. I did not. Not. I'm guessing, Alan, similar for you, right? And you're like, NBA Twitter world. Like, I didn't see hate.

[Don Hahn]

I only saw people that were, you know, decoding everything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, me too. So, yeah, Esther, people were. Yeah. I don't know. What would people complain about if you don't get any other stuff besides the fact that you just don't want rap and you don't know who that is?

[Alan Hahn]

That's all it is. That's it.

[Don LaGreca]

I mean, it was aggressive. It didn't cater to a lot of the demographic. It should be more inclusive. And I was like, that was never really conversation among the less represented demographics prior. We just took off the end racism sign. I did hear a lot of outrage from a particular demographic about that. But we enjoy African Americans when they play football and they entertain us and they make money for us. But then you want to have performers who relate and come from a background from these football players we love so much. Right. So this kind of selective outrage, this fake. Oh, these people are getting too much attention or too much catering or whatever have you. It comes across as fake and disingenuous, and I feel like it was too blockity box.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

And that's okay.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you, Esther.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Esther, you know I love you, Esther.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Thank you for the call. I gotta say one thing, though, is that I will push back. And we love Esther, but I do remember a time when we had that run where it was like, I don't know, I'm just throwing that back. I could be wrong on some of these, but it's like Coldplay and like Aerosmith and Rolling Stone. Like, you had a bunch of these old bands that were performing and people do complain. There was so much complaining. I think it doesn't matter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They did back to back. They went Aerosmith. They went Aerosmith, U2, Shania Twain, back to back.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You know what I mean? And you have Paul McCartney, Rolling Stones. Yeah, there you go. Like, you're talking about, like, anybody under 70 can perform, please. And I. So there was complaining. And that's kind of part of the reason why the NFL then went the other way, as if to say, all right, well, clearly we're not. We're not making Everybody happy. So we need to have a wider range when it comes to artists at halftime. And that's now why it's kind of gone. I do think it does try to have more of a national appeal, but it's never gonna make everybody happy.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I can't speak for everybody.

[Don Hahn]

Right? You can't.

[Alan Hahn]

But as a white rock and roller, I was entertained. I thought it was good. Was I blown away? No. But I was entertained by it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, Don, you have this quality that, I don't know, a lot of people don't have. It's called an open mind. You don't judge things immediately because it's not your cup of tea.

[Alan Hahn]

But I do believe a lot of people who thought, oh, it was awful boring because it just didn't speak to them. But I gotta tell you, I was at a Super bowl party and I told you there were girls, they were white girls. I think one of the most underrated things about people like that, complaining, they think that hip hop is for the black community.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

There are a lot of people in the white community that love it just as much as the black community, even.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Though numbers of artists, by the way. By the way, numbers wise. More sheerly high amounts.

[Don Hahn]

Don, you know this too. This is the funny thing, too, that I've noticed is, especially with my son playing hockey, but everybody would think, like hockey, oh, they would never really go into any NHL locker room. What are they playing?

[Alan Hahn]

I know hip hop slang.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Every locker room.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, my God.

[Alan Hahn]

Dave brings. Dave brings it up. Because Dave Maloney is an old school classic rock guy. And before the players hit the ice, you hear, like, Genesis and Fleetwood Mac, and they're playing, like, all just regular, you know, U2. And as soon as the players hit the ice, it's bom, bom, bom. It's just because that's. They're.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because it's a bunch of players and.

[Alan Hahn]

They get to choose their music, and that's what they want to hear.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Cause they're trying to skew younger. All right? They got the old curmudgeons watching the game, and they want to try to get the kids to watch a game that. My son loves football, but, you know, he's not going to sit there and be engaged by it, you know, because he wants to get involved in other things. And as they get older, they might not be into sports, but they're going to watch the super bowl because they're going to be into the halftime show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To the olds that are out there complaining, I just want to say this. I Understand it. The last, like, five have been like hip hop or R and B, so I get it. But just for the record, let's go back. I'm not going all the way back, but let's go back to, like 2000. I'll just name the headliners. Phil Collins, Aerosmith, you two, Shania Twain. That's four straight. Okay. The next one had Janet Jackson, and she did that mentally, as we know, with where everything happened. And that included. That included he who Shall Not Be Named, AKA Redacted. Kid Rock, Justin Timberlake, Jessica Simpson. Then you have Paul McCartney.

[Alan Hahn]

And that was the response to the wardrobe malfunction.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, they went Paul McCartney.

[Don Hahn]

McCartney, everybody's happy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

McCartney, the Rolling Stones, Prince, Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, the who. That's back to back what I just gave you. So, like, you had your period where even when those bands were already old, they were gearing it towards you. But I got news for you. Alan Hahn is in his 50s. He's of. He's of the beginning of the hip hop generation, all the way down to 20 something.

[Don Hahn]

Honestly, I didn't watch the who.

[Alan Hahn]

I did. I'm a big who fan. But the complaint out of the who was, oh, they just look like a bunch of old men.

[Don Hahn]

Which they were.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were, for God's sake.

[Alan Hahn]

Then the Black Eyed Peas.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To me, that's rough. There's no the Black Eyed Peas getting a Super Bowl. Looking back now, looks insane.

[Alan Hahn]

But then, then Madonna, same complaint. She's old. Yeah, she was probably 50 at the time. And so. Oh, she's old. And then Beyonce. And really since then, Beyonce, Bruno, Katy Perry, Coldplay. Though it's been a little Gaga.

[Don Hahn]

I think it's been split out.

[Alan Hahn]

And how long has Apple been the sponsor? Because remember, forever. It was Pepsi.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Apple is the last. This is four years.

[Alan Hahn]

I think they're gonna skew towards new music.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They did Kendra, they did Usher, they did rihanna, they did Dr. Dre.

[Alan Hahn]

Because they're gonna want you to download new music. So are they gonna want you to download music?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you see what Apple did after the game? No, I gotta ask Ebro about this. You guys know Ebro is an executive at Apple, So everything that happens, we always go to him. And sometimes he knows stuff, sometimes he doesn't.

[Don Hahn]

What'd they do after the game?

[Peter Rosenberg]

They go on Twitter and they just tweeted, they not like us. Like, a hundred times in one tweet. I'm like, damn, man. You guys sell Drake's music too?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that's tough. He got like 10,000 retweets like, from the Grammys to the Super Bowl.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it just. It's ridiculous.

[Don Hahn]

Don, you might have a point. Somebody needs to check in.

[Alan Hahn]

Be honest. And God forbid, if something ever did happen, how would the NFL look that they allow the whole thing to happen?

[Don Hahn]

Everybody contributed to this. It has now become bullying now again. Is it? Is it? Is it? Did he have it coming? I don't know. I don't know enough. Am I wrong to not care? I don't care.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't care.

[Don Hahn]

I honestly don't care about the drama and the fighting and the story. Is it a good song? Is it good music? I'm into it. After that. I don't care about it.

[Alan Hahn]

But I do think there's the laziness, so silly of childhood, of everything that, like, she put out, oh, another hip hop. And it's not even really that big of a run, as you just mentioned. Like, it wasn't that long ago.

[Don Hahn]

You know, people.

[Alan Hahn]

Maroon 5, Maroon 2019.

[Don Hahn]

Can we not judge society on social media?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I know. And let's stop doing the thing where we say, everybody's saying, but it's tweets. I've been moving around. No one said to me, oh, I hated that.

[Alan Hahn]

You just. You. You talked about it with the last call. I live. I don't live in the NBA world and in the hip hop world the way you two do. So my Twitter is basically just old Goodfella clips in hockey highlights.

[Don Hahn]

That sounds like a good place to stay. It's not bad.

[Alan Hahn]

That's kind of where I am. All right, so I'm gonna get a lot of hate off of that halftime show.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, of course.

[Alan Hahn]

But you live in a world where you get a lot, and I think most people liked it. And I'm being honest with you. I. I could not name a Kendrick Lamar song. I'm not sure, quite honestly, in the world that I live in, if not for Peter, I'd even know he'd existed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I appreciate your honor.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. I'm just being honest. But I thought it was a cool show. I thought he put on a nice. My wife used to have that car, the grand national, so she loved that. She didn't appreciate that he was standing on it because.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't worry, I think he has two.

[Alan Hahn]

And then the clown car with everybody coming out. I thought it was fine. I don't expect much, but I thought it was fine. But I just think you're so right that we all think that we live in our little bubble and social media enhances our Little bubble everybody hated the most.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Genius thing. My cousin Jeremy says a lot of things on the Internet. He tweets entirely too much. But he said one thing to me recently that was friggin brilliant. We don't live in a world anymore where we even share a shared reality. There is no shared reality. We all scroll in our own reality.

[Don Hahn]

We're in our bubble.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which is why none of us can agree on anything because we're getting our own version of what real life is.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, of course. And that's kind of what everybody wants to do is believe that everybody thinks the way we think.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Warriors come out to me.

[Don Hahn]

Don Han and Rosenberg's weekend warrior. Well, I know who lost. I had Patrick Mahomes. That was. Was that the worst performance? It was the worst performance of his career. But when you consider performance by an all time great. He's an all time great now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course.

[Don Hahn]

So is that the like. Think about Peyton Manning against that Seattle defense in Super Bowl. What was it?

[Alan Hahn]

48. Well, the one in New York.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So that was 10 years ago. Those Seattle Super Bowl. 48.

[Peter Rosenberg]

48.

[Alan Hahn]

48.

[Don Hahn]

That was all. He threw what, four picks?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was awful, right?

[Don Hahn]

There was like a ton of turnovers. He was awful in that game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And I'm thinking that game and it's like who was worse?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, this, this line of Mahomes when it ends pretty close the lot. He lucked out because I turned off the game.

[Don Hahn]

He killed me parlay wise because he didn't get to 2 right. He was 248, I think.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he got to 257.

[Don Hahn]

He got 2. All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was it 260? That's probably the number I must have got.

[Don Hahn]

It must have been 260. So I had a parlay and he's the one that killed me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I turned off the game with five minutes. So the joy for me was I got to watch the Chiefs get killed. But I also didn't watch the Eagles celebrate, which I thought was tremendous.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you don't want to watch that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I didn't even know who was mvp. I didn't see any of it. But because of the garbage time scores, he ends up 21 of 32, 257, three touchdowns and two picks.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The QBR of 11 is probably more telling.

[Don Hahn]

By the way, I think he was one in the first half.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was. He was not good.

[Alan Hahn]

The.

[Peter Rosenberg]

None of it was. None of it was impressive. And oh no, he had like one. Oh, the touchdown. The first touchdown when they were down 35, nothing. 34.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that was nice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Worthy, by the way. Why go for two there? I know.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I agree. You're down, stupid.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're down 34, nothing, man. Get. Okay, you got to get five touchdowns. That means you got to win 35. That's all you could be thinking about. No, we're going to get four touchdowns, four two point conversions, then kick a field goal. That. That's your lineup.

[Alan Hahn]

But the end did kind of doctor up the stats totally because what gets forgotten because he wasn't on God level when they lost to the Buccaneers. He only had the one Super Bowl. But the Buccaneer line, 26 of 49 for 270, no touchdowns, two picks is worse. Didn't score a touchdown. The Chiefs in that game, they lost 31 9, but this one just felt worse because it was. It just. The only reason you didn't say it was over 24 nothing because it's the Chiefs and Mahomes. But looking at it, that first possession of the third quarter, you're like, all right, it's continuing from the first half. This game's done.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I thought, I thought about another piece, by the way, that made me realize why pulling, you know, or not rooting against the Eagles makes sense. Kind of made the Commanders look even better.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's how I always look at it as a fan. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like if the Eagles.

[Don Hahn]

Tougher, you mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, so. So again how scores are misleading. I think the commanders in the end lost by like 33 points to the Eagles. You can't tell me the commander's game wasn't much closer than that Super Bowl. And in the end, that super bowl was an 18 point loss. It felt like they were down by 100. They weren't in the game, they were.

[Don Hahn]

Down by what, 40, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

40 to 64.

[Alan Hahn]

34 was down 34 points with about what but six and a half left.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it got. But the key is it got to 34. Nothing like it was. It was such a different level blowout.

[Alan Hahn]

No, they didn't get into the. It was like late in the third quarter when they finally crossed the 50.

[Don Hahn]

That was unbelievable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And so Greeny. Here's my question for Greeny and the other people. And Alan might be in this category to some extent, though he doesn't go as far as.

[Don Hahn]

Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You seeing. You seeing Jordan making it to the finals and getting swept 4 0. You see it. If he's on that level. If you're putting him on the ultimate.

[Don Hahn]

God level, this is what's unfair. Everyone is mortal with a bad offensive line. Was playing left tackle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

His line looked.

[Don Hahn]

They were.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were a mess.

[Don Hahn]

They had an all pro guard. Had to move to tackle because they couldn't stop anybody. Like. Like.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's bad.

[Don Hahn]

It's the one thing. Michael Jordan would never have a situation like that. But that's why he controls the game. The ball's in his hands. This is different. I don't have a line. He's dead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But doesn't it make Don's point about them being. You didn't use this word. You said they could be had. I'm saying that their record, in spite of how good it was, they were a bit of a fraud. You talk about all the one score games. They got very, very lucky. The thing that's surprising to me is, guys, I watched my team play the Eagles three times this year. We move the ball up and down the field in every single game. The Chiefs could not move the ball.

[Don Hahn]

Fangio had two weeks to get ready for this game and they.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But so did Spags.

[Don Hahn]

You understand? They didn't blitz and they got six sacks and blitz. No, they were just. They were like rabid dogs taking. And they took out a bet. This game was one on the line. Scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

You build foot great football teams. And that's why the Eagles are great because they're great on both sides of the ball. But the better comparison is Brady. Now Tom Brady's got three losses in the Super bowl by combined like 15 points. And the two losses for Mahomes is like a combined 40 points because they got blown out by the Bucks and blown out by the Eagles. So I. And listen, the Giants won their two Super Bowls by putting a ton of pressure on Brady, but it never got to embarrassment level. It never got to embarrassment level for Brady. He lost. The three Super Bowls he lost were all very close. It never got to that level the way it did against the Bucks and the Eagles.

[Don Hahn]

So how did J.T. miller do? Because that was your.

[Alan Hahn]

He didn't have a point, I think in either game. Okay, I know he didn't have a point on. I didn't work the game Friday because we had the show and then Saturday, I don't know. I don't think he had a point.

[Don Hahn]

That was a bad loss to the Penguins.

[Alan Hahn]

It was awful because there was no Crosby. No. And they just. And they blew two one goal leads.

[Don Hahn]

Worst second period. You can imagine.

[Alan Hahn]

That was just a, that was like a no show that they couldn't afford to have. But they bounced back and they came back again to be able to win the game on, on Saturday. But I don't, I don't know, man. I don't know what to think of this. I still think they're better than all the teams that are right now. From Ottawa, the first wild card all the way down to say, Montreal. None of these teams are really all that great. I still think the Rangers are better than all of them, but I can't guarantee that they're going to make the playoffs, can you?

[Don Hahn]

No, only because it's a lot to climb now, Peter, your choice. Everybody knows because I picked Mahomes and we just went through why I was very wrong. You picked Jason Tatum and we were going through like what was Tatum have to do to outshine Patrick Mahomes Saturday night he did put himself in a good spot. He had 40 points, hit seven threes against the Knicks and 50% from floor, 50% from three. He had an insane performance. Yes. And that 19 points in a third quarter that at one point the Knicks made a push because they were, they were had a bad first half, but they were hanging in because of Jalen Brunson. They cut it to three and you're like, all right, now we got a game. And then Tatum said, no, you don't. And he went, he just detonated in that third quarter and he was making just ridiculous threes. They were picking apart to pick and roll. So yeah, a 40 point performance in a blowout win at the Garden over the Knicks, that definitely is going to be worthy of weekend warrior. So congratulations.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you, man. Thank you. Thank you. I knew it was, I knew it wasn't an unlikely thing, but it was.

[Don Hahn]

It was a good call. And again, Mahomes being as bad as he was was not something I didn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pop on your bingo card.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to Badon, Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.