Hour 1: Beat Your Rivals

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — "Hour 1: Beat Your Rivals"

Date: December 5, 2025
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Theme: Navigating local football drama as the NY Jets and Giants enter rivalry-matchups, postseason hopes, coaching assessments, and the quest to get “one over” on your rivals. The crew also wrestles with the value of meaningful games in an otherwise lost season and the emotional history of divisional grudges.

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Episode Overview

Kicking off a "Football Friday," the first hour is overflowing with classic New York sports radio energy: hot takes about the NFL, personal history with rivalries, discussion of the implications for the Jets’ and Lions’ seasons, and spirited debate about the worth of moral victories. The personalities and histories of the hosts are front and center, offering a unique lens on what it means to be a New York fan when your teams are on the outside looking in.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Recapping the NFL Week and Thursday's Game

• Dallas vs. Detroit Recap
  • Peter Rosenberg laments missing his pick on the Thursday night game, noting how hard it is to predict the NFL this year, highlighting how Dallas failed to cover and the Lions’ resilience.
    • “They got with three. I mean, you do have to finish the game. It is 60 minutes.” (Don, 01:38)
  • The unpredictability of the season and the Lions’ inconsistent performance (“magic carpet ride”) are dissected.
    • “I can't figure out the NFL, man. I can't figure out like Dallas… Detroit that I watch… why are we not considering them as a contender?” (Alan, 02:00)
  • Lions’ inability to secure home field advantage is seen as a critical limitation.
    • “With five losses, they are not going to be able to get home field advantage. And home field advantage, to me, Don, with this Detroit team is a big deal.” (Peter, 02:34)
  • Dan Campbell's reputation debated: Solid at making Detroit relevant, but not yet a proven championship coach—has he hit his ceiling?
    • “At some point he's got to get them there, and he hasn't gotten them there yet.” (Don, 04:28)

2. The Jets' Place in Rivalries and Motivation for the Rest of the Season

• The Emotional Stakes for Fans

  • Alan details his deep-rooted bitterness as a Jets fan toward the Dolphins, referencing the infamous "Mud Bowl" as his first heartbreak.
    • “My first depressing fan experience...the hell with the Dolphins, to hell with Don Shula and all that history.” (Alan, 06:19)
  • Panel agrees emotional or "spoiler" games offer meaning even in a lost season for fans—especially against divisional rivals.
    • “Jet fans, you are playing relevant football. Not relevant for your present, relevant for your future, but also relevant to disrupt other people's presents.” (Don, 07:08)
  • Don and Peter tease Alan for pretending not to hope, but they believe a win over Miami would fire him up.
    • “It's sad to see him talking...he doesn't want to have hope. But if they were to beat the Dolphins...You'd start thinking about it. That's the thing.” (Peter, 08:27)

• Coaching and Future Assessment

  • The importance of seeing if the Jets play hard for their coach—even with no playoffs on the horizon. Is the current coach a motivator and game-prepper?
    • “Do you have a coach that you're playing for?...if your players continue to play hard and win scrappy football games on a team that does not have a quarterback, this is the only good you can hope for.” (Peter, 12:52)

3. Jets Quarterback Future and the Draft

• QB Options for Next Year
  • The hosts and callers debate the wisdom and likelihood of the Jets drafting a QB high next year.
    • “What quarterback are you drafting just because you need a quarterback?...It's not needing paper towels. It's a quarterback.” (Don, 29:40)
  • Rich Cimini’s input: The Jets might punt on drafting a QB until 2027; it’s not a strong class, and trading up is unlikely.
    • “I think they're open to waiting to 27. There's so many variables… it could be a one quarterback draft.” (Rich Cimini, 31:03)
  • Kyler Murray as a bridge: If he's released, he'd be worth signing, but no one would give up assets to trade for him. Peter worries it's just running it back with another “maybe” guy.
    • “It's the same thing…He's slightly better. I think more than slightly better… I'm not trading for him, but if you tell me he gets released...I'll do it.” (Don & Peter, 33:45)

4. Notable Trades and Their Impact

• Discussing the Stafford-Goff trade: a rare win-win, making both teams better suited to their ambitions, reminiscent of rare happy endings in sports trades.
  • “A great top five would be top five best trades that worked for both teams…feels like that Lion Rams deal would be in the top five.” (Don, 35:13)

5. Jets Fans' Historical Trauma

• Multiple callers and hosts reminisce about the pain of being a Jets fan, especially tied to the Dolphins rivalry and the long shadow cast by bad luck and the “Mud Bowl.”
  • "Since that day, it's probably been nothing but heartache for the most part, but that has made me the Dolphin hater for the last almost 40 years…" (Danny, 39:54)
  • Alan details the literal mud-sabotage that cost the Jets an AFC Championship as a core reason for his enduring loathing of Miami.

6. Media Chatter: Ex-QBs in Television Booths

• Mildly amused, mostly indifferent reactions to the announcement that Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston will be TV analysts during their bye week.
  • “I really have zero interest to hear what either of the two of them have to say about football…it's cement.” (Don, 44:09)
  • “I'll take Alan, please. I always take him. I'm more interested in Russell Wilson.” (Peter, 44:29)
  • Commentary on how unpredictable TV fit is and examples of unexpectedly strong or weak analysts.

7. How Will Stafford Be Remembered? (Call-in Debate)

• Lively speculation on Matthew Stafford's legacy: will he ultimately be a Ram or a Lion in sports history?
  • “If he wins another one, it's over, Billy, it's over.” (Peter, 49:29)
  • The hosts compare him to Wade Boggs and Roger Clemens: what does it take for a player to be remembered with a different franchise than where he made his name?

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This is New York.” (Don, 00:39)
• “I can't figure out the NFL, man. I can't figure out Dallas…why aren't we considering [Detroit] as a contender?” (Alan, 02:00)
• “Jet fans, you are playing relevant football…relevant to disrupt other people's presents.” (Don, 07:08)
• “My first depressing fan experience…the hell with the Dolphins, to hell with Don Shula and all that history.” (Alan, 06:19)
• On Dan Campbell: “He can get talent, he can motivate them, but at some point he's got to get them there, and he hasn't gotten them there yet.” (Don, 04:32)
• On Kyler Murray as a Jet: “I wouldn't trade for him, but if you tell me he gets released by Arizona and I can pick him up for practically nothing, I'm going to do it.” (Don, 33:56)
• On Russell Wilson/Winston as TV analysts: “I really have zero interest to hear what either of the two of them have to say about football…it's cement.” (Don, 44:09)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:51 – Show begins, Football Friday banter & NFL postmortem
• 02:00 – Alan’s struggle to analyze the NFL & Detroit's prospects
• 04:28 – Dan Campbell & coach debate: relevant vs. champion
• 06:19 – Alan’s Jets-Dolphins emotional history and rivalry stakes
• 12:52 – Peter on what matters for Jets fans for the remainder of the season
• 29:40 – Jets' QB path: Draft or veteran bridge?
• 31:03 – Rich Cimini on Jets draft plans (2027 QB discussion)
• 35:13 – Stafford/Goff trade: Best win-win trades
• 39:54 – Callers recount Jets fan suffering & the origins of Miami hatred
• 44:09 – Wilson/Winston as TV analysts, hosts’ reactions
• 49:29 – Is Stafford a Lion or Ram? Legacy debate

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Tone & Style

The show retains its signature blend of dry wit, nostalgia, and agony-soaked New York fan skepticism, interleaved with actionable insights on the Jets and Lions’ futures. The hosts rib and riff, mixing authenticity and humor—capturing the "only in New York sports talk" blend perfectly.

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This summary captures the heart of the conversation, the critical debates on football Friday, and the cultural undertones of New York sports fandom that drive Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg’s appeal. Great for those who want context, insight, and flavor without the full runtime.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Don doesn't hold a candle to that pumpkin pie haircutting freak. This isn't North Dakota.

[Don Hahn]

This is New York.

[Alan Hahn]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.

[Caller/Guest]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right, ladies and gentlemen, it is 3:01 in the big city and New Jersey and Connecticut and wherever you're streaming us from around the world. Don Hana in Rosenberg Football Friday, Friday, December 5 Pretty bitterly cold.

[Don Hahn]

Oh my God.

[Alan Hahn]

Feeling it today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And particularly, particularly bitter when you decide to be that guy on a. It was really that guy Thursday and decided to start the show yesterday by telling everyone what the smart pick was and then picking against that to now be down four points. It will depend work by me. But they did get three.

[Alan Hahn]

Peace.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, peace.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that wasn't two.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't rub two.

[Don Hahn]

Three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Petey.

[Don Hahn]

They got with three. I mean, you do have to finish the game. It is 60 minutes. But you know, it wasn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but listen, they, they, I'm not saying they lost by 40, but like it was just one of those clear things that in order for Dallas to cover last night, they had to do everything right just to cover. And you know, in the end, it wasn't enough. They were.

[Alan Hahn]

I can't figure out the NFL, man. I can't figure out like Dallas. It felt like, you know, were they on a little magic carpet ride? A little bit. I still think though, if you think about it, this was their last tough game, right? Last legit tough game. So. But it's Detroit that I watch. I mean, Jimmy or Gibbs. I'm on Ross St. Brown. Everybody's telling, oh, he's not going to play. Oh, he probably not going to play. You know, you knew he was playing. That guy never misses a game. He's tough as nails. Like the Lions look so good at times and you think to yourself, why are we not considering them as a contender?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, they just.

[Alan Hahn]

Because. Why? They're eight and five, that's why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, exactly. Because for whatever reason throughout this year, they have moments like they had last night. They had moments like they had against Washington. They have these games where you're like, oh, yeah, this is the team that's been the Detroit Lions of the past two or three seasons. Yep. And then. And then there are these other games where they just are not that team. But I agree, Alan, if they are that team, and the problem is now they run into one major issue. With five losses, they are not going to be able to get home field advantage. And home field advantage, to me, Don, with this Detroit team is a big deal. Now, granted, they lost to Green Bay at home. That's a rivalry game on Thanksgiving.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But in general, the reason I started the show, getting the pick right before I decided to get it wrong, part of it was that you love Detroit at home.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they won't have that in a championship game this year. In all likelihood, well, they might not.

[Don Hahn]

Even make the playoffs. We'll see. But everybody's talking up Chicago and Green Bay and they're playing each other this week, so they'll catch a break with one of those two teams losing. But they're the kind of the afterthought in that division because everybody talked about the packers to start the year. Now everybody's talking about the Bears now. So the Lions are kind of laying in wait. But they did what they had to do. You know, they didn't look great against the Giants, but they did what they had to do. They had to win the game. But they've kind of become the Bills of the nfc, where we keep asking the question, why can't they get over the hump? The Bills? Well, they just can't get by Kansas City, Detroit. Well, it was San Francisco that knocked them out last year. It was Washington that knocked them out. Now they look like they've taken a step back and somebody else is going to win the division, kind of like the Bills. So it kind of focuses back on the coach. You know, is there something that Dan Campbell, because we talk about how great he is and how he's turned that whole program around, but is he someone that can lead them to the promised land? He can get talent, he can motivate them, but at some point he's got to get them there, and he hasn't gotten them there yet. And when he did have that opportunity in San Francisco, and it was his decision, that cost him a chance to go to the super bowl and they haven't gotten back there since. So. I know we talked about Campbell as a successful coach, Peter, sure. But is he really. He's successful at getting Detroit relevant, just like McDermott was relevant. Gets respect for making the Bills on the cusp. But are they good enough coaches to get them to where they need to be?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And this is the year where it was open, you know, that's the part that's, that's tough. You got it. They're sitting there right now, just on the outside looking in. But don't look now, they have a match at the Rams next week. The Rams, by the way, back to back, have Detroit and Seattle. So there is a world in which the Rams could still get to five losses. And if you're Detroit and you beat the Rams for one of those losses, you could end up finishing this thing at five losses with a head to head win over the Rams. So as much as we can get. Sure. We know something in one week, guys. And right now we sit here on December 5th going, oh, I'll tell you what I see. The Rams, they only have three losses. We still have, most of these teams, still have five games left.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I don't know that it sticks this way. Chicago 1, Rams 2, Eagles 3. Detroit on the outside. How could you be sure it stays that way?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you know, one thing I do know, one thing I do know. What do you know is as much as I said last week, remember Monday night, Giants fans, you sitting on the edge of your seat, leaning forward, right into that.

I'm, I got to be honest, I, I'm, I'm going to be working because the Knicks play at noon on Sunday.

But I'll be invested as I possibly can, so I can't pretend I'm being edge of my seat, going to be covering a game. But Dolphins, Jets, I don't care what the records are. I don't care. You guys know how I feel about the Dolphins. You know, understand that the history for me as a Jets fan started with the mud bowl. Okay, it's, that's where that was my first depressing fan experience. I've never, I never really had one until that. I mean, I was a Yankees fan, then I was an Islanders fan. All I saw was winning. And then this happened and I thought, okay, got this great team, they're going to the AFC Championship game, sack exchange, and then the mud bowl happens. So like the hell with the Dolphins, to hell with Don Shula and all that history. No, like, take them down with you. Your season's over. Bury them too. That's how I feel. So if you wanted to get some emotions of movement out of me that.

[Don Hahn]

You got that game, that's all we wanted was movement. It moved, Peter. It moved. Oh, no, he's got.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's finally got movement.

[Don Hahn]

He had some mango for breakfast. Good for you. Oh, because that's really all I got. That's. That's all I've asked. Like Jet fans, you are playing relevant football. Not relevant for your present, relevant for your future, but also relevant to disrupt other people's presence. I'm telling you that, you know, the Dolphins probably are looking at. Hey, we're going to beat the Jets. Of course we're going to beat the Jets. Well, they said of course we're going to beat the Saints and they almost lost to the Saints. So you can knock the Dolphins out, kill them, end it, end their season.

[Alan Hahn]

So.

[Don Hahn]

And then you go to Jacksonville. Well, why not disrupt Jacksonville? They're not any kind of world beaters. Then you go to the New Orleans Saints. Are you should be able to win that. Now we start to talk, but one step at a time, Alan. You have a game that's worth watching.

[Alan Hahn]

You keep. You keep talking like that, there's going to be more than movement.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I'm just saying you got me all right.

[Alan Hahn]

You got me fired up. Look what he's doing. He's. He's throwing out all these like. Now you can win that one now. You can win now. All I'm saying is Jets, Dolphins is a. Is a little different for me. Look, you can't. The Bills, they're. They're well established, on their way. Nothing. You can't steal one from the Bills and it'll feel good. No, that doesn't matter. Patriots. Come on. It's not going to. It's not going to mean anything to the Patriots.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hold on for the record. Don, Don, he's. He's. You know what he's doing here?

[Alan Hahn]

What am I doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's sad to see him talking, just saying this because he knows perfectly well he doesn't want to have hope. But if they were to beat the Dolphins, that's four of six for this team. They'd be four and two over the last six. You would then be hyped to see them steal something from of those two teams. You'd start thinking about it. That's the thing.

[Don Hahn]

Because I don't.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, I don't know that matter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You could hurt.

[Alan Hahn]

I know this Matters. Listen, the Dolphins have had the. The Dolphins haven't been great. The jets have been terrible. But in the last 19 games, the Dolphins have won 15 of them against the Jets. You know what I mean?

[Don Hahn]

I get it.

[Alan Hahn]

So they, they suck, but they own you. That's the stuff I, I that where as a fan, I'm a little more invested because. Okay, Aaron Glenn, you really want to show me something? When they come in and they don't like playing in cold weather, it's going to barely hit 40 on Sunday. Like, that's when. Now you want to, like, show me something. Get a win over division rival. Bury them, too. And then I'll feel pretty good about things because you kept asking me, did I smile when folk hit the field goal last weekend? Yes, I clapped my hands. Okay, nice. Let's keep it moving. This is also one of those games for me that I'm gonna again, I wish I could watch it, but I can't. But I'll watch it back that I'm just gonna say I want to be able to enjoy. I'm gonna know the score, but I want to go home and put that game on and watch it back with a smile on my face like, all right, good. We buried them, too. The hell with them. And then that's it. Like, those are the little things, the baby steps.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's all you're left with.

[Don Hahn]

That's all you have.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

And then I was just talking because I got the schedule in front of me. Then you're at Jacksonville. All right. Jacksonville is going to need that game. Maybe you can disrupt things there at the Saints. I would think right now that's a game where I think the jets are going to be favored. If things continue to progress the way it's going, they're probably going to be favored in that game. Saints have no interest in winning anyway. They're done. And then you close out at home against the Patriots, at the Bills. So, yeah, those are probably losses, but there could be style points in those games, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Like, let's say you win two of the next three.

And then you go in and you play well against the Patriots, well against the Bills, but you lose both of them because those are clearly better teams. You're going to feel very good about your coach going into next season, and then you can check all the boxes with the draft or everything else. I think that's why you're hyped for this game. Kyler Murray is officially done in Arizona as far as this season and probably done for his Career. We talked about Kyler Murray as somebody that maybe could be that bridge quarterback. Maybe at this rate, guys, he might be somebody that just flat out gets released by the Cardinals. We don't know how it's going to go down. He's obviously damaged goods. But if you're looking for that bridge quarterback, he might be available, guys. So that. Dang. But you worry about that during the off season. But right now I think there's a reason to watch the Jets.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm interested.

[Alan Hahn]

I gave you my reason.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I get into 4 and 6. Even beyond the whole, you know, Allen. Allen has his, his Dolphin history, Don. Which like literally predates my. My watching of football. So I'm not. That's the thing.

[Don Hahn]

You were three. You're young.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I was not dialed in for the mud bowl.

[Don Hahn]

You might have been in front of the tv. I mean. Well, your dad wasn't a big football guy, right?

[Caller/Guest]

No, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Only if. Only if I was watching some sort of, you know, political talk show and they mentioned it otherwise.

[Don Hahn]

Did they.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did it. Did they make it to the Sunday morning news programs? Done. That's the only hope you got there.

[Don Hahn]

What was. What was the biggest. What was the big show before NBC's coverage started back in the early 80s? What's the big NBC morning like show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like? Like whatever their NewsHour.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Was like when I was a kid.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was it McLaughlin Group?

[Don Hahn]

All I know, we might have been in McLaughlin when I was a kid, you know, waiting for the Giants at one or whatever was the one o' clock game, you know, having to sit through all those like news political shows until we got to 12:30. Because when I was a kid I was into the pre games because that's where you found out everything. There were no all sports radio. There's no way to find that information. But. But you know, you'd be up because you're a kid. You're up because you went to school all week. So just the death of Sunday morning television until you got to 12:30 for the football and you just sit. I'm just trying to remember some of those shows on the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Debuted in 82.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you so probably got that right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I don't know when it made it to.

When it made it to national. I don't know if it was national then.

But. But yes, that's the only hope there was of me watching any football game in 1982. But for me, the interest in this team is do you have a coach that you're playing for? Is there someone we know he Made mistakes early on. We certainly feel, you know, none of us love the games he played with the media. Media didn't think it was the right tone. But if you get to this point now in a lost season where your players continue to play hard and win scrappy football games on a team that does not have a quarterback, this is the only good you can hope for. That's all there is to get from this year. Do you play for the coach and Don? I think a rivalry game like this is another big one for that.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Because again, the Dolphins are a team the Jet fans hate. And just. You would feel some satisfaction, right. Of knocking the Bills, knocking the Dolphins out of the playoffs. And listen, I don't think it's going to happen, but you're going to get to Week 17 and the Patriots are going to come here. You wouldn't want to at least, you know, knock them out of possibly having to buy in the. Again, I don't see it happen, but that's what you got to live for.

[Alan Hahn]

But I'm not. I'm taking it one step at a time. I get what you're doing, and that's fine. But to me, because Miami is, you know, they're not a good team. They have had some recent wins. They've had. They've gotten their offense a little bit better. There's some, you know, like, it. Whatever was going on there, all the controversies going on there, they fire the GM and they seem to have gotten through the turbulence. Right. So that's. But they're like. I look at that as more of a take them out because at least it feels like something. And if there's one thing left, like you want to say is. I hate using the word, like, this is the Jets, super bowl kind of thing.

[Caller/Guest]

But.

[Alan Hahn]

But if you're a new coach and you're trying to take a scrappy team and try to show that you can coach and coach guys up, like, this whole week is like championship week for me. I'm treating it like that. Like, boys, we're at home, we're playing a division rival that's down like us. Let's keep them down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about this?

[Alan Hahn]

That's all I'm saying. Like, I want to see is, does he have that kind of preparation and also motivation, like all the things that make a coach that go beyond. Well, I have more talent than you, so I'm going to win. All right? But I can do things that my team just looks way more prepared, locked in and focused than the opponent does. That's what we know the Dolphins are not good playing in cold weather.

[Don Hahn]

So. So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So the weird thing about the Dolphins is they've won three straight, and two of them were over high school teams, the Commanders and the Saints.

Before that, they beat the bills 30 to 13.

There are two losses over this stretch that are so weird because of how easily they could be seven and five guys. They got blown out by the Ravens 28 to 6, which did not age well. Getting blown out by the Ravens this year has not aged well. And they got blown out by the Browns 31 to 6.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Otherwise, in there, they blew out the Falcons 34. 10. They played with the Chargers. Lost 29. 27. They lost 27. 24 to the Panthers. You know, they're a weird team. Like you.

[Don Hahn]

You.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You cannot be sure what you're going to get. I think you have to say at this point on this weird season we've seen, the Dolphins are a team that's capable of winning football games. They're. They're a decent team. So this is. They're not a great team. They're not even quite a good team. No, they're a team that wins games. Can you go beat a team that's capable of winning football?

[Alan Hahn]

That.

[Don Hahn]

That.

[Alan Hahn]

That's. That's why I told you. That's why if I didn't have to work Sunday, I would be locked in on the couch. I. I wouldn't be sitting on red zone. I'd be locked down on this game. Straight up.

[Don Hahn]

And you will. You'll peek in.

[Alan Hahn]

I got my phone. I'll definitely be checking because that's what.

[Don Hahn]

Happened to me with the Giants on Monday was because they had me back in. And dart was playing, but of course I was calling the Devil game.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but so.

[Don Hahn]

So I started looking at my phone and turning to Danico and like, oh, I guess I was wrong. 10. Nothing. Oh, it was definitely wrong. At 17.

[Alan Hahn]

Nothing. Yeah. By the way, why am I so tiny today in the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're very far away.

[Don Hahn]

Or are we too close?

[Alan Hahn]

No, you guys are perfect. Lined up nicely and for whatever reason. All right, that's better.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You go.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Look at that.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. Asking you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, let's. Let's talk to the people. It's a football Friday. A lot of different stuff to get into. 1-800-919-3776.

[Alan Hahn]

Can we take a bath, though, first? Real quick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are you didn't shower today?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I showered, but I think we all collectively might want to take a bath. Wait for the splash. You know what I Mean, because my friends at Bath Mitter Bath.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's Bath Mitter?

[Alan Hahn]

Bath Mitter is like when it's cold out, you just put them right on your hands. Keeps your hands gonna say just if.

[Don Hahn]

For some reason you want to take a bath, but keep your hands dirty.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, everyone feels clean because of the whole. The whole thing, the whole Bath Fitter and Bath Mitter situation. Let's. Let's get started with Gil in the truck. I don't see my build. There we go. Gil, how are you doing, buddy?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, what's up, Petey? Petey? I gotta run this by you, Don. What's up, Don? What's up, Han? You are not right. And I'm gonna tell you why. Peter, yesterday you let all the listeners know your perfect philosophy on not picking the cowboys. Yep, you said it with a sucker Bet you said all the right things, bro. And then you let Han talk you out. And look at Han now. Look over Petey. Han got a big smile on his face.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I see, I see his big dark.

[Caller/Guest]

Grin of a three point play, Petey. A three point play. How do you let Han talk you out of the perfect philosophy that you have? You got to explain that one to me, Peter. I'm gonna let you guys go explain.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug. No, I, you know, honestly, greed, great. Wanting to get points, I should have, I laid it all out there. Why Detroit was right. If once Allen went with two with Detroit, if I wanted to gain on him, I should have just picked three and went with Detroit.

[Alan Hahn]

Then I still gained on move, man. That would have been the move.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Instead, in my greed, I went. I could see the Cowboys winning. Let me roll the dice.

[Don Hahn]

But you have to make decisions like that. You're so far behind. I can't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm not.

[Alan Hahn]

What he just said, though, Don, is a way better strategy though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That would have been a way better strategy. And going with your actual heart, your. Your smart, your brain. No, not going with your heart. Go with your brain. I would have been going with my brain and instead I said, let me just throw up a Hail Mary. Then I'm sitting here watching, you know, Dallas turn over the ball in the first drive of the second half and.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that was bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, there's never a hope they could stop Detroit at no, no point.

[Alan Hahn]

But when they got it to a three point deficit, I'm like, I'm gonna get screwed by the hook, aren't I? I was mad. Stephanie was asleep and I just kept waking her up going, look at this. Watch, watch. What's gonna happen?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sure she cared.

[Alan Hahn]

She did not care at all. Mad at me. But I had to tell somebody because nobody was responding on the group chat. Way to go boys. Made me feel loud.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The group chat was quiet. Listen, I'm in a tough spot right now. I'm still watching games on iPads and phones right now.

[Alan Hahn]

You're in boxes. I get it. And Don had parent teacher night. I'm not blaming you guys. I'm more blaming Jake and Anthony.

[Don Hahn]

The parent teacher night was the problem with that was then we had to work on the kids homework. And today is their birthday. So happy birthday to the twins. They turned eight today.

[Alan Hahn]

Buried the lead.

[Don Hahn]

Eight. So eight. Yes. They're amazing years old today. So we had a lot of, you know, rapping and stuff for. For it. So it was, it Was. It was rough and so I apologize. I did go to bed. What was the score When I went to bed, it was 30. 19 oh, 3019 lions. And then I checked on the score on the Alexa and I heard that it was, you know, that they lost the game. But no. So I'm sorry. I. I'm usually I don't be sorry.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not about you. I thought Peter would be talking trash when they cut it to three. He didn't. And Anthony and Jake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It never felt good. I thought about it. I thought about it in that moment and then I went. I don't feel good about this. I'm not. I don't want to get involved in this. No one wants to be involved in trash talk when you know you're going to lose.

[Alan Hahn]

Do we have the drop from yesterday of Peter saying how about them cowboys at the end of the show? He did say that, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What about the drop the day before Thanksgiving, the four year ace drop when I went. We never heard that back. That moment when I decided to go heads up against Alan on Thanksgiving for your ace. We never did that. Die that day before Thanksgiving.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know. Is that.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't think you said for your ace, though. I think the. You said in. And we probably shouldn't run that again.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that's what it was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it got dumped. But it made YouTube. But then I cleaned it up. I said it again just for posterity's sake, but that it died. All right, we'll stay with last night for a moment. Let's go to Nick in Westwood. What's up, Nick?

[Don Hahn]

Hey, guys.

[Caller/Guest]

I just want to make two points about last night's game. So the first point being that, you know, special teams played a really factor into that game. You know, the Lions got the ball at the 45, plus every time they kicked it off and they returned it to the 45. Every time a pass over the middle, they were in field goal range right away. And the other thing I want to talk about is this defense. The first two drives they were getting pressures on Jared Goff and you saw him spiking the ball into the ground. And then after that, Eberfluss is awful. Giving up 40 points a game every week and they can't even get pressure on them.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I wonder, you know, Schottenheimer's been good there, but I do think Eberfluss probably will be out. It's been bad.

[Don Hahn]

One and done.

[Alan Hahn]

It's been bad. Now you could like, what do you blame? Secondary is not good, but he's right, it has been bad. But the Lions also just don't lose back to back. And we talk about coaching like Dan Campbell has done. You know, I know what you said earlier though, and that this does happen. We're seeing it more and more. There's coaches that can take you from the absolute suck and make you relevant and make you competitive. But are they good enough to take you from suck to champion? And Dan Campbell has taken them out of the suck and they have become perennially a really good team. Last year they were fantastic, but they had a they laid an egg in the playoffs to the Commanders at home, of all places. And this year they have been good. Not great. But one thing you got to say, they don't lose consecutive games. There's a lot of little things about why I wanted to believe in the Lions last night, and that was one of them. I think it's like 15 straight games that they have won after a loss under Dan Kim.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a great, that's a great underrated stat. That's really telling.

[Alan Hahn]

What does that tell you? Right? They don't, they don't really stay in it. Like if they lose a game, they quickly recover and they get right back to it can't be because all they just play a bad team next. No, like that says a lot about coaching there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it also, it also helps if on the other side of the ball you have eber FL.

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I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, Don Juan and Rosenberg on a chilly Friday here in the Tri State talked in some football. They are still doing that apparently.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

I don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Caller/Guest]

The rod.

[Alan Hahn]

I have to. I have to submit Them as exhibit A and B.

[Don Hahn]

Your like Alan might be starting things off at 4:30.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh I do plan to be on the docket.

[Don Hahn]

Let's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's change the subject to go to Brian and Sleepy Hollow as fast as we can. Hey Brian.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey guys. How's it going?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good man.

[Caller/Guest]

I, I hear. I hear what Alan's saying with this. You know I, I do. I hate the Dolphins.

[Alan Hahn]

They just.

[Caller/Guest]

You know steel doesn't belong in football in the first place but. Yeah, but also at the same time like losing this game, you know I. I'm looking to draft maybe a quarterback and like a wide receiver in the first round this year.

[Alan Hahn]

Why?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah why?

[Caller/Guest]

What do you mean why? And also Kyler Murray thing. Come on man. He's.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't want guy. I know. I don't. I'm. I'm with you Brian. I don't. I don't think the jets, you know.

[Don Hahn]

What quarterback are you drafting just because you need a quarterback?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I'm not doing right.

[Don Hahn]

It's not. It's not needing paper towels. It's a quarterback.

[Caller/Guest]

I think we're not going to be good enough.

[Alan Hahn]

We're going to be too good if.

[Caller/Guest]

After mediocre next year. I think so we're not going to be. I don't know. I guess you could.

[Alan Hahn]

Brian. I got to be honest Brian. I. I've been saying. I've been saying this and I don't think Jet fans really want to hear it so they just ignore it. But I really think we have to come to grips with the idea that. I don't think Aaron Glenn who comes from Detroit where they traded for Jared Goff. I don't think they're looking to take a quarterback out of college and try to go that way. I think they want to find like the next diamond in the rough. Yeah. Like I think the. Or a quarterback that just happens to shake free somewhere where they get tired of them. I don't think it's Kyler. I don't want it to be Kyler but I think that's the direction they're going not draft one. Especially in a draft this year where there's. It's not really considered to be a strong draft.

[Don Hahn]

The reason I went after you because of the whole draft. Why now you're not going to be drafting high enough to get Mendoza. If they even like Mendoza. I think the reason Allen they have that philosophy is they know that there is not a quarterback in this draft that moves them.

[Alan Hahn]

That's going to change.

[Don Hahn]

Rich Samani said earlier this morning probably going to find their quarterback in 27 in the draft.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because you know what you want to, you want to hear that options?

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, let's hear that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's hear from Rich.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm not as sold on that as I was a couple of weeks ago. I think they're open to waiting to 27. There's so many variables. I mean, we don't even know if you know, Dante Moore or Ty Simpson will declare for this year's draft. You hear mixed things on that. It could be a one quarterback draft, in which case, look, we know the jets are probably, they're definitely not going to be picking first. Probably not going to be in the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Top three or four. Are they going to trade and make the trade that Carolina made a couple.

[Caller/Guest]

Of years ago going from. Would they go from eight to one to get Bryce Young? They gave up how many number ones and DJ Moore and picks are the jets going to give up that to move up for Fernando Mendoza? I don't that I'd be skeptical of that. So I do think the 27 thing is, is definitely in the conversation now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In terms of when they go for the quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Yeah. So to sit there and want to tank for what doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Now if you lose the game, I'm not saying you got to go, you know, crying your pillow. I mean obviously the positive byproduct of losing games is to have a better pick. But you want to know you got to coach. And so like, so if you lose, if you play well, it's coach well and you lose on the last second field goal, you're not punching the wall for that reason. But to sit there and root for losses so that you can draft a quarterback again. Like I said, it's not like I need paper towels and toilet paper. I mean it's too important to pick. I need a quarterback. So I'm going to go buy a quarterback or draft a quarterback. Gotta like the guy. I don't even know if they like Mendoza. They've got the picks that they probably could trade up if they wanted them. You're not making that move for Mendoza. Hey, maybe he'll turn out to be. He'll be the next great quarter quarterback in this league. But nobody's feeling that right now. You're not feeling the vibe that he's a must pick. He'll go one. But that's I think just by default.

[Alan Hahn]

No, somebody will take him whether it's the Saints or whatever. Yeah. Because everything that Kuiper says suggests that some of these other names that you're hearing about, again, Dante Moore being one of them, but there's a couple others that have promise. The kid from Alabama is another one, right? Ty Simpson is. Do you know if you have the ability to stay another year, do it.

[Don Hahn]

This would be. They're all gonna do that and more.

[Alan Hahn]

Than likely you'll see that.

[Don Hahn]

And please don't get me wrong on the Kyler Murray. I'm bringing it up just because he could be a good bridge, you know, if he gets released and he's a free agent, you.

[Alan Hahn]

You get him for nothing.

[Don Hahn]

Pick him up and just have him be part of your quarterback room and see what happens.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I mean him and Justin Fields.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was gonna say though that to me, the killer part about that is we just did a year of, hey, we don't really have anything at quarterback. Let's trot out the guy who's never really been what everyone thought they could be, but.

[Don Hahn]

But still it's running it back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's the same thing.

[Don Hahn]

Exactly the same.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's slightly better.

[Don Hahn]

I think more than slightly better.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's a notch. He's a full notch better and still a couple not so I wouldn't trade.

[Don Hahn]

For him, but if you tell me he gets released by Arizona and I can pick him up for practically nothing, I'm going to do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I agree. I don't think they have many, many other choices rather than, well, what's the point? You don't want to lose picks to get a quarterback who you're playing for a year.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's the point on painted one doing that.

[Alan Hahn]

Exactly. Plus so contract wise too, it's. That doesn't make sense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let me look at these Kyler Murray stats.

[Alan Hahn]

They've got to find. We all know they got to find a quarterback. I just don't feel like you're just gonna close your eyes and just, you know, reach in the dark and hope you find one. Like you've got to have a plan. And I'm telling you, Glenn comes from Detroit. They had a plan and their plan was that Stafford didn't want to be here anymore and the. The Rams didn't want Jared Goff anymore. And that was the number one pick that did quarterback a team to the super bowl. And he's still young and they got him and it's worked out really well. He's really rejuvenated his career there because it looked like between him and McVay, you know, they weren't. McVay wasn't even talking to him at the end there in L. A. So they did turn him into something very useful while also building up around him using draft picks. It is instead of using a draft pick or even draft capital on a quarterback that now you got to wait a couple of years to hope he develops into something.

[Don Hahn]

I haven't done the work, but a great top five would be top five best trades that worked for both teams without doing the work. It feels like that that Lion Rams deal would be in the top five.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, it's a beauty.

[Don Hahn]

You know, you got the Rams a Super Bowl. It made the Lions relevant again. Maybe they get to a Super bowl with golf. I mean, really, how many other trades you see work out that well for both teams?

[Alan Hahn]

I can't think of the NFL. You almost never.

[Don Hahn]

Well, because you don't see a lot of trades in the sport where both teams are like, yeah, I do it again. It was great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That is so unusual.

[Don Hahn]

Like some. There's always a winner and a loser in every deal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, listen, I guess you could say.

[Don Hahn]

The Lions were the loser because they haven't won yet. But I'm sure they're very happy where they are. Much better than they were with Stafford ever. And the Rams got over the hump.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, the thing is, though, it's. It's pretty hard to picture.

The Lions not winning with Stafford and St. Brown and Gibbs and the. All the other things they've put in place here.

[Don Hahn]

So you think it would have happened anyway?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's not how life works.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So we can't really analyze that way.

[Don Hahn]

You don't know. Maybe just it needed to happen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So maybe it just needed to happen. But yeah, I do think Stafford on this team would still be very good. But there is something about Stafford's Stafford.

[Alan Hahn]

Hang on. The Lions got two firsts in that trade, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do they become?

[Alan Hahn]

I have to look it up. The 22 and 23 firsts. So they got. Also they got Jameson Williams as well. They did the. Yeah. Let me see.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's see.

[Alan Hahn]

I think there's a breakout jameer Gibbs. Oh, yeah. Okay, There you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they got Jameson Williams.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. Yeah, it couldn't have happened. No, this is all how it had to happen.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's why that's such a smart. Yeah, I'm. I'm just looking at now the. Because there is a. A little graphic of the players and who they got. That. That move worked so well because a player didn't want to be there anymore and you wanted to do right by him because he, Stafford was a great Detroit lion, let's be honest.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

But you got picks and you got a very usable quarterback that had success and was still young. Boy, if the jets could find something like that. They just don't have a Stafford to trade for him, of course, but they, you could argue they got two picks for Sauce Gardner. So there's your two, right? There's your two firsts. But they got to find the quarterback now and I think they want to get a vet because in Detroit it turned faster because they had a vet. They didn't have to wait on a young quarterback. You can wait on a young wide receiver, a young running back. They hit early a lot of times. Quarterbacks rarely do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's go Back to the people. 1-800-919-3776. We'll go back to the jets for a moment. Go to Danny in Centerport. Hey, Danny.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, guys. Thank you, Zoe, Nicole, I appreciate it. A couple of quick points. But Don, I can't believe that your twins are 8 years old. Man, that's mind blowing. That feels like second happy birthday.

[Don Hahn]

Well, and thank you. Yeah, it's mind blowing to me too. And I did talk about that whole idea that Alan had about him declaring his fandom.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, they're coming to the game tonight, so they're going to be in transit. So we'll, we'll, we'll work that out at some point. But.

[Caller/Guest]

All right, he's got it.

[Don Hahn]

He's got his Jesper brat jersey today, so I think he's already declared Devils.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, he. That has to be that way. That's right. Right, Peter, that's, that's blood in the ground.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what he's got blood in the ground. That's right.

[Don Hahn]

I'm sorry, continue. But thank you for the well wishes, of course.

[Caller/Guest]

Of course. So two quick points. First off, you had a friend of mine, after I spoke to you guys yesterday, call me and tell me, you know, dude, you sound like a psychopath. You know, back in Glenn. So I just wanted to be clear here. By no means do I think that Aaron Glenn is in somebody. You know, the things that he's done. Of course. Which we all know when you're a first time head coach. The things that he did, as far as not pulling fields early enough or not making the right decision, it's gonna happen. So he's, he's definitely, you know, has a lot to learn, but that's what you're gonna get. So. But I just felt like that his pedigree is gonna make him the folks. I think that that's number one. And Alan, I mean, listen, Don, I know we're close. I was born in 69. I don't exactly know what year, Alan, that you were born, but me being born. All right, so I was born in 69. So my heartbreak was just like you. And I can't believe my first gut wrenching heartbreak was sitting in my aunt and uncle's living room by myself watching the mud bowl on a hardwood floor with my legs crossed, sitting 3 inches in front of the TV. Just couldn't believe I was watching. And since that day, it's probably been nothing but heartache for the most part, but that has made me the Dolphin hater for the last almost 40 years at this point of being a Dolphin hater. So there's no other team that I hate more than the Dolphins. The Bills aren't that far behind from 2000.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's such a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's such a wild thing that when you're not part of it, like, to. That anyone hates the Dolphins that much is like crazy to me.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, I can't. No, no. It's sickening. You have to understand, too. And Danny probably would remember this because it was AFC Championship game. It was played at, I think, noon one. Like, it was in the afternoon.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it was. I think it was a one o' clock game.

[Alan Hahn]

It was in the afternoon. And by the way, Peter, the Redskins beat the, the Cowboys in the NFC game the day before.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure, they did.

[Alan Hahn]

So anyway. But watching it as a kid, you're just mad and an AJ Dewey, and you're just pissed off like that. Just, you know, and it's, it's, you know, the Bucky Blinken dent in Boston. Like, that's AJ Blinken Dewey. Is that. That's what I. That's my thing. But it was years later when I learned about why it was a. Why the field was muddy. That's when I really lost it. Because you have to remember, in the 80s, as a fan, the Dolphins were the needle because you passed on Marino. You took o'. Brien. Now, o' Brien was good, but he wasn't Marino. And Marino always seemed to find ways to just. Like there was always a big game and he would always find a way where you just knew he was going to do something. And it got that. That became frustrating. But it wasn't until later on in life, as I got older and I was wondering, I would talk a lot about the mud ball as a pain thing, and I finally did the research. And I found out that how it went down, that Shula told him, no, don't put a, don't put the tarp on there, because they had Freeman McNeil and we don't want him having any traction because they would have run rough shot over the Dolphins, and so the field was literally unplayable. How the NFL, like that doesn't make sense to me. I don't want to go on a tangent, but how a professional sports league could allow that to happen in a championship game is beyond me. It makes no sense. I mean, they would never do that today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So it's, it's this. I can see that the pain. Every time we talk about it, that the pain just starts to come out of Alan. And I'm not saying I'm enjoying it.

[Alan Hahn]

Though I was just a mere child.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it is, it is remarkable to see. And now you're. You're waking the jets fans up. The phone line's filling up with jets fans.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Don Hahn and Rosenberg.

Happy Friday, everyone. Football Friday to you and me. At least for jets fans. Although, guys, you know, listen, the Giants may not be playing this week, but they're. They're apparently very involved in football. I don't know if I recall another time in history in which during a bye week, two of the three quarterbacks on a football team both have jobs on competing television networks. Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston, both doing TV for CBS and Fox.

[Alan Hahn]

Which one sounds like the must listen zero? Wow, you're going neither.

[Don Hahn]

Blank wall. I mean, there is, there is. I don't know if I can even put into words how completely disinterested I was by then. News.

[Alan Hahn]

Please tell me why completely disinterested?

[Don Hahn]

I really have zero interest to hear what either of the two of them have to say about football. Maybe Winston a little bit, just because he's kind of funny and it's not like I dislike them. I just don't care. I really don't. Like quarterbacks that did nothing for my teams being on television. Maybe that's why I didn't like Jason Garrett. It's like he was a Giants coach and nothing happened. And, and like I, I, I, I don't, I really Russell Wilson's going to tell me what he thinks. Don't care. Jameis Winston, that you know what? Honestly don't care. There's no hate. It's just.

Talk about lack of movement.

[Alan Hahn]

I, I get it.

[Don Hahn]

It's cement.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's because I'll take Alan, please.

[Alan Hahn]

I always take him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I, I, I'm more interested in Russell. I'm more interested in Russell Wilson.

[Alan Hahn]

Mr. Why?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because I already, I already know what Winston is. I know what Winston is. He'll be fine. It's kind of goofy. It's whatever. He's fun.

[Don Hahn]

Hey, gang. I think the quarterback play was pretty solid today, but I'm so curious to what 23 skidoo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Will Russell Wilson drop a 23 skidoo?

[Caller/Guest]

23 skidoo.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, listen, I am sure this is a really a great quarterback for the Seahawks. And at the end he completely lost the room. He lost the room because the guy is just a bore.

You know, I really, because he's not a bad guy. I think, I think he's probably a good guy. You know, I know stuff in Denver wasn't great, but, but I just think that there gets to a point where no matter how great you are, he just, he was that guy. He's you talk about like just awkward, boring.

[Alan Hahn]

He's very guarded, Don. Like that's, that, that's been the knock on him is that you don't really ever get his.

[Don Hahn]

But then he drops it with the Mr.

[Alan Hahn]

Unlimited and you're right, well, if Sierra was with them, maybe we'd get a little more personality out of him because he seems to have more personality.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's not even his real personality either. Like, everything's performative.

[Alan Hahn]

That's, that's an issue. That's what I mean. So I don't know what, what are you gonna like, why would you want him on? Because, you know, you already know what he, what he is like. I can't imagine he's going to be informative, critical, insightful.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maybe, maybe, maybe being a nerdy, like football commentary guy is where he shines. Who knows?

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe we're gonna find out. Listen, but don't, he's not watching.

[Don Hahn]

But Winston, I get the appeal right from an, from Fox. They're like, listen, he's got a bit of a Personality. He'll be hilarious, he'll be funny. That I could, but I. I don't. Other than just being a big name.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is weird, though. You never know what's going to do. Well, like, for example, I know a lot of people are not a fan of his personality on social media or other stuff that he does. But I'll tell you the truth, guys. In my opinion, in the booth, Robert Griffin III is very, very good when he does college football in the booth, some people just fit in a certain spot, especially if it's about the sport. And that's the thing they know and love the most. You know, like, I don't know Greg Olson. I can't imagine his personality ever would jumped off the page that much of it. But then people loved him doing games. You just never know.

[Don Hahn]

But when I see, you know, the release yesterday, I guess Anthony sent it to us.

I would think the reaction was overwhelmingly negative. Right? I mean, I can't imagine people were like, oh, this is gonna be awesome. So, like, what. So what's the motivation to do it? Does it lend to credibility that you have current quarterbacks working?

Are they trying to find that, you know, lightning in a bottle?

[Peter Rosenberg]

We never know, Don. We Don. These are people who pay Tom Brady $30 million a year. But you could have Tom Brady call the game. They don't know, but it's still.

[Don Hahn]

But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the business of it never makes sense to us. We.

[Don Hahn]

I know, but listen, the money doesn't make sense to me, but Tony Romo, former quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, I get that. Tom Brady, who's won seven Super Bowls, I get that. You know, if you got Russell Wilson right out of Seattle, maybe I get it, But Russell Wilson after Pittsburgh and New York and has done really nothing. And don't forget Denver.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, here's the reaction. You want to get some reaction? I'll give you some reaction to the Tweet that got 2.4 million views, by the way, saying that he'll be on CBS because it's football, securing yet another check. Not mad at it.

Looks like he's testing the waters.

Someone's getting ready for life after football.

It's his stepping stone to retirement. Dudes getting a foot in the door now that he is washed. This will be his job next year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bored vibes, but I know, but you're. These tweets are all answering why Russell would want to do it. I think we all get that. To Don's point, why would the network, though, think they're getting a lot worse with Russell Wilson. That's sort of the, I mean his name's pretty good. But let's, let's, let's, let's ride. Let's, exactly, let's ride. Let's, let's, let's close out the, the hour with a call. Phone lines. Jan, let's go to Billy in the truck. What's up, Billy?

[Alan Hahn]

Hey guys, what's going on?

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, I was listening to what you're saying with Stafford in golf and like, I don't know, I don't know what it is but, but like to me that's just one of like one of those trades that I always get, I always get confused. Like I always got a double stink. Like, wait, Stafford's on the ramps.

[Don Hahn]

Like.

[Caller/Guest]

So the question is, I got here is when it's all said and done, how do you think Stafford's going to be remembered? Is it be a, be a Ram or a lion? 10, 15 years when we're talking about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, I, I, I have a terrific question. I was having this mental debate when the subject first came up. I was already thinking about this.

[Caller/Guest]

I'll say if he wins another one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If he wins another one, it's over, Billy, it's over.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So if he doesn't win another one and he were to retire next year, even though the super bowl thing was a big deal, guys, there's still a chance that over time he becomes a lumber. I could see it. But if he wins another one this year. Don, you're a two time super bowl champ with the Rams. How has he ever thought of trying to.

[Don Hahn]

I'm trying to think of a comp. Because he'll never play as long in LA as he did in Detroit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Correct.

[Don Hahn]

You know, I'm like, he was in Detroit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

For people who forgot from 09 through 2020.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. That's a long time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And this is.

This is year five in Los Angeles.

[Don Hahn]

And so he's not going to play probably another year after this. He'll probably maybe play six or seven. So, so basically like almost half right.

[Alan Hahn]

Majority of his career was in Detroit, him and Megatron, like that. You got to think he was also somebody that you would say get, you got to get him out of Detroit, right? Like, like you knew how good he was and they were just so poorly run and poorly coached. Like he was the guy everybody in the league was rooting for. Get him out of there. It's almost, it's not the same, Don, but very close to like Ray Bork. When Ray Bork was in Boston and it was like, he's got to win a championship. Get him out of there. And.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And they did.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I got a comp and I'm just gonna throw his name out and you name the team.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, ready?

[Don Hahn]

Wade Boggs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

For me, it's not close.

[Alan Hahn]

He's a Red Sox.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's absolutely a Red Sox.

[Don Hahn]

All right, well, he's got to respent the majority of his. That's where he made his hall of Fame career. But he won his championship. He won the championship with the Yankees.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You know, and true. And he got his 3,000th hit as a ray.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. You know what, Don? I think that's probably the part because he then left and went somewhere else. It kind of takes away from it. And I just remember him more as a, as a. Like, I'll give you one Roger Clemens.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's a tough one.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, for years in Boston, he had the one chance and. And then most of it after it, they never had a chance.

[Don Hahn]

I still think of him as a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Red Sox because Boggs, by the way, spent. Boggs, by the way, spent five years with the Yankees.

[Don Hahn]

And how many.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is a fun. By the way, this will be a fun thing. I already know we're gonna end up doing on and off for the rest of the day.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the.

[Alan Hahn]

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