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I'll eat it.
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Han, Peter, the most used sweat is at a buffet.
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And Rosenberg. I'll be honest, the one thing I miss about having an office is the taste of Steve Hart's nuts.
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This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.
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This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.
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The best threesome I've ever heard on.
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ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.
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301 in the big city with Peter Rosenberg and Don Lagreca. I'm Alan Hahn. Don's gonna join us in a minute because as you know, it's Friday and we're. I mean, it's all always Where's Waldo when it comes to this show. I am at MSG at the MSG studios. The Knicks play their last preseason game tonight, finally, and we can get the regular season going. Peter is in parts unknown somewhere in Florida.
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Orlando, the WWE Performance Center.
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I did. I didn't. I didn't want to reveal everything.
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Oh, you were given that. Sorry, I.
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Okay, yeah, no worries. So you are there. I am here. Don is trying to get connected and he will be here shortly. And we have a football Friday now it's a shorter show. We are done at six because we have baseball for you. ALCS game five, which by the way, that, that's. That series suddenly has gotten interesting as teams keep winning. And then after that game, we'll get the end of Game 4 with a Dodgers sweep. That's all the baseball I want to talk about today. To be honest with you, it is a football Friday.
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Can I just say one thing though? Can I just give props to Max Scherzer for pulling the. The anti. Harvey, respectfully, that was a moment, wasn't it? When he barked back to the. Listen, if you spent. You guys know how little I care about baseball at this point. But if you, if you watch baseball all year and you find yourself frustrated at how little old timey baseball you get, you have to watch. If you haven't seen Max Scherzer just absolutely throwing a fit and refusing to come out of the game. And then the strikeout. It was fantastic.
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Well, you better Strike it. You better get the strikeout. I mean, that was the moment that mattered. But suddenly the Blue Jays once again look like the Blue Jays. And, you know, again, it's like you hate watch as a Yankees fan because you're not really sure how to feel, but that's where that is. I gotta be honest. The Giants Broncos game is. We are hyping it up because we feel like it might be the last important game of the season when it comes to are the Giants a team that can stay in it versus, you know, a team that will just be watching to see if they have a quarterback instead of can they stay in it? So this game in Denver's got, you know, that kind of juice to it. But I'll tell you what, Peter, there's a lot more juice to it. Because yesterday we revealed Jonathan Cooper, the linebacker, having something to say about dart and scatter Boo and the dancing and all the stuff that they're doing. But there's a lot more back and forth now going on between both sides. Nick Benito put something out on. On Twitter that he took down right away, but everybody saw it. And so there's all of a sudden a little bit of extra juice in this game. And you wonder, when you look at the numbers, especially defensively, what the Broncos can do. Like, this is one of those games where if darts for real, he doesn't have that look like a rookie performance against the defense that gets after the quarterback. But there's a lot of reason to believe this is a game where he's going to look like a rookie quarterback. Because that's a defense that gets after the quarterback.
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Absolutely. And this game, to me, already had a lot of juice just based on the fact that the Giants now are playing actual football. In the words of Don Lagreca, they're playing like they have a damn football team. And obviously, you want to see the development of the quarterback, but now between the fact that you win this game, you feel like you have a legitimate shot at a season this year. And again, none of the three of us think they need to be chasing a season this year. It's all about the development of the quarterback. But we know the. I know what it's like. You want your team to go for it every year. So you get to three and four, you're having a conversation about this year.
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You want to say the futures now. Yeah.
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And listen, you start to say, hey, at least we could chase a wild card. Why not? Usually if you lose it, you go to 2 and 5. You probably have less of that conversation. But now little bit of this trash talk and it feels like we have a little something extra, a little extra mustard on the hot dog. And this is the kind of stuff if you loved the Jackson Dart and Scatterboo, the dances, the celebrations, the shirt off the chains. If you love it, just know this is what comes with that. And let's see how they respond to it with a defense that's not only very good, but clearly aware after watching your national attention last week of who you guys are.
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Abdul Carter Carter, fellow rookie. He got involved in it as well, by the way. He's listed as questionable with a hamstring, so keep an eye on that. But he talked about the team because everybody, those guys saw what Benito tweeted, jumped on it on on Twitter, started going back and forth and Abdul Carter talked about how the team started defending Jackson Dart on social media. Yeah, we believe in our guns. Really nothing. You don't want to put too much into it, but we ready for Sunday.
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We gonna so that everything on the.
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Field, sort out everything on the field. I kind of like that. Was Abdul Carter surprised by those comments?
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I wasn't surprised. People say things, but like I said.
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We play in two days, so everything.
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Will be settled Sunday.
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I love that kind of stuff. Last thing. And Don's joining us now. Peter Schrager also talked about what he's hearing about people around the league and these brash rookies with the Giants that.
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We all were celebrating.
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We love it. But around the league, not a lot of fans of this listen to Shreks.
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You saw Jonathan Cooper's comments. You see some of the other comments from people around the league. I get texts about it after that Thursday night win from people say The Giants are 2 and 4 and just.
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Lost to the Saints last week.
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You know that, right? And I'm like, I get it. It's a measure of market and personalities. And both these kids have it and the market is dying for it. And when these things start happening and.
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They start winning, this city explodes. Can feel it in the streets, even.
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Though they're two and four right now.
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And Dart's response was when it comes to all the things being said about him, he said to the post, I think a lot of guys wear chains and dance when they score touchdowns. I appreciate him following my dance touchdowns. You like this, Don? Little trash talk going into a big game or are you concerned about this?
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Concern is strong.
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All right.
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It's just, do we really need to add anything to our plate? You're 2 and 4 we're basing this off of one game, all right? Nobody was talking like this after they lost to the Saints, all right? But you do throw the Charger win in. So they won two of three. Feeling a little strong, right? You're feeling good about yourself. But the Saint game still happened. You know, you're going up against the Denver team that's got the best defense in the NFL. You're playing on a road, one of the most hostile environments in the NFL. So you got a lot on your plate to follow this up. And now another element has been added now to defend Scatterboo and Dart. They weren't thinking that when they won the game against Philadelphia. They were just having a good time. National television. But to Peter's point, well, this is what happens. This is the byproduct of what happens. So now you're a brash team, you're one of those teams, and now there's a bit of a target on your back. Are you ready for that? Because when Deion Sanders was strutting down the field scoring touchdowns, he was on one of the best teams in football, and he was on his way to the hall of Fame, right? And he was able to back that up. If you're going to talk, to talk, you got to walk the walk. And now, whether it was intentional, unintentional or whatever, now the Giants have to feel like they gotta go out there and walk the walk. Are they capable of doing that, guys? I don't think so. Not yet.
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They're kids now. There's more. There's more to the story because again, the Benito stuff was what he took down had more to do with the Giants fan base. The hype behind the giants, a 2 and 4 going into this game. His tweet said, I've never seen such a delusional fan base. Now he took it down. But of course, nothing. Nothing disappears on social media. You know, cave on Thibodeau. Others, you know, followed up with something to say as well. But the fan base thing I get. It's New York, and as I said, they haven't had much to grasp. This town has needed an enema. These guys have provided that. It has given the Giant franchise a stuffy franchise. It hasn't had great personality, hasn't had a lot of. They haven't had any kind of bravado like this, right? Like. Like, Don, you're the Giants fan. Can you remember back the last time? And Jeremy Shockey had a little bit of this, but he was more like Nozzle y than he was fun. Odell a little bit, but that. That's different than what this is, if you ask me. And so fans get excited, New York gets excited. And outside of New York, it's almost like people. This is not just. I used to think it was just a Knicks thing. No, people roll their eyes anytime New York gets excited about one of their teams.
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Well, exactly, because. Why do you think the Yankees are so hated now? There might be because of the reputation they have of always being good, but the Yankees are a pretty likable team. I don't think people around Major League Baseball have any problem with Aaron Judge, any problem with Bellinger Volpe, or even John Carlos Stanton. I think he's very well respected. It's just that they know things hit different in New York and going to New York is difficult to play, and their fans get on them and that's. And you're famous because you play in New York. There's a lot of good things happening around the league, but in New York, it's different. The Knicks, now, the Giants. There seems to be some sort of a bravado that comes with playing in New York that seems to rub people that don't play in New York the wrong way. Yeah, but I'm all for bravado, but you got to back it up. Anybody could. I could run around with my shirt off. What does it mean? Right. I can wear big gold chains and say I'm the best talk show host in the business, strut around.
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I agree.
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But if I don't put the numbers up, if I don't. If I don't do a good show, it's going to fizzle out and die. Right? So this isn't Lawrence Taylor doing this. This isn't Eli Manning doing this. These are two kids that we have no idea even gonna be around in a couple of years. Right? So. And again, I don't think their intention was anything other than just having fun. Kids just excited about the fact that they beat the Eagles, who they never beat, but this is the byproduct of that. And now it's being talked about. So what are you gonna do? Are you gonna double down and continue doing it? All right, that's fine as long as you win, because it's not gonna look great if you get beat by four touchdowns, then where did it go? Right Then. Then it goes back into the closet and it doesn't matter anymore. So now as we prepare for what is the biggest game the Giants have played in a long time, we wanted meaningful games in October. We Got one Giants win this game, somebody's going to lose in Dallas. Washington. Washington's really banged up. It wouldn't be shock, Peter, if Dallas were to beat the Commanders. No, Philadelphia's got, you know, Philadelphia's falling apart. So if the Giants are 3 and 4, they might be in the thick of an actual division race. Now. Their schedule's tough and it's probably not going to happen, but at least going into week eight, if you win now, you're halfway through the season and you're involved and people are excited. And now you've won three out of four games. You beat Denver, who was a playoff team last year. You beat the Chargers. You would have come off, you know, the big win that you had last week against Philadelphia, the defending super bowl champions. Now it's a thing. It's nothing if they get killed by Denver. So now they've got to walk the walk, guys. And I'm just a little worried that are they good enough to walk the walk?
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Well, this is the whole. It's such a fine line between liking a player's attitude, liking their swag, and it going too far. And, you know, Don, and this goes right back to that conversation that we had on text when I was walking around Perth, Australia, talking with you guys about the reaction to that game. And, you know, Don and I were more of the. Didn't really like it. Anthony was like, hey, I'm here for it. You know, you had in Anthony, understandably, and I'm sure many you have young Giants fans who go, I have watched this team forever. They've been not good. They've had no swag. They've been completely boring. And as nice a guy, and as nice and boring a guy as Daniel Jones was, guess what? All of that being laid back and modest didn't lead to any more wins. They got nothing from it. So, hey, let me enjoy my guys having swaggers. But the second it, the second you then get it shoved down your throat the next week, it hurts even worse than a regular loss. And now you think, oh, God, could this actually have somehow a more negative impact than simply losing has Now?
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I don't want to talk for Anthony or even for Allen, who was on board with it too, is that this is great if it leads to something. Yeah, because I like that kind of bravado, that kind of confidence. And if this leads to, this is the next generation of great giants. This is going to be fantastic. This is going to age well. But if it doesn't, it's going to sting a Little bit more. And. And it's just going to be one of those all whatever happened to moments. And I just think in the maturation process of this team, do you really want to add another obstacle? Do you really want to add another layer? I like being stealth. I'd rather go into Denver with the Broncos overconfident and the Broncos ignoring us because we're a lousy football team and they're just going to think, oh, we're going to. This is our get well game. After looking bad against the jets, now you're not only on their radar, you're completely motivated. And I'm not mad at them because I don't think that was their intent, but that's what. That's what was created. And I think I've been around long enough in this market. And Alan, you have too. We see how this ends up working out. Think of the biggest athletes in New York, right? Who are the most famous athletes in New York recently? Right. It's Eli Manning. Didn't say boo. Derek Jeter. Didn't say boo.
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Judge nothing.
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Judge nothing. Get nothing out of them. Right?
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Nothing.
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Brunson. Yeah. They just do their work. And we love.
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I mean, keep going, by the way. Keep going. Reavis. Very little.
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You want to go. Yeah. To those extremes. You have to go way back.
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Hank. Hank Lundqvist, not a lot.
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Sharp dresser, but he just.
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No, but, but, you know, he was intense on the ice, but off the.
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Ice, you know, Marty Brodeur, you couldn't tell if they were winning six nothing or losing six nothing. Right. I mean, and I'm not saying that one automatically leads to another because, you know, Daniel Jones was that way. He got nothing out of him. Right. But I just. Let's not put the car before the horses.
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Also digging into the nuance of swag. There's like, there's different ways to do it.
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Right.
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Like, and I say this with no judgment because I enjoy it and I also see the concern. But like, for example, if you were to look at the last flashy football player in New York that you would qualify that way, I think we'd all agree Cruz, like Victor, had his own style with the dance, but it wasn't, it wasn't aggressive like Victor danced and it was fun, loving. But he wasn't a trash talker. He had a dance that he did when he scored a touchdown. It tapped into sort of his Puerto Rican culture and the fan base here, but it wasn't a trash talk thing. Then you go forward, the loudest, most brash person There was Odell, complete flame out disaster.
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Yeah, yeah. There were all the histrionics on the, on the side, on the sidelines, never mind, you know, what he might have done on the field. But the team also didn't have success. Like Don said to me, everything flamed out in Green Bay after the whole banana boat thing when they carried on and then they got smoked and it just, it never was the same after that game. At least in my opinion. Look, I think this stuff's fun. I don't have a problem with it. You know, opponents. First of all, what are the Broncos looking for here? Motivation. Right? Like, it almost as if they're trying to like get motivated to play against another bad team from New York. Who knows? Maybe that's what it is. And so there's the first thing they found. And you know, fans on social media go after opponents and they talk trash. They say all this stuff and these guys, for whatever reason, read all of it. They don't need to. So, you know, are the Giants walking into a buzzsaw? They already are. Guys. Denver leads the NFL in sacks, quarterback hits and, and pressure rate. How's that going to work out for a rookie quarterback? Like, never mind. Trash talk or motivation. Just go up against the defense that leads the league in all those categories against a rookie quarterback. It's going to be a long day.
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And let's get this straight too. I don't think they trash talk, to my knowledge. They were just having a good time after a win.
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Yep. I agree.
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And there's a lot of players that have a problem with that because they're like, you're two and four. What are you doing?
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Right.
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You know, and I, and I. And that was kind of like my attitude as a fan. Like, guys, can we just tone it down?
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Well, Don, it did go because it went. You're right, it wasn't trash talk. But we also could agree it went a little beyond just like one touchdown dance. It was after the game. It was like, it felt like an extended celebration for a team without a winning record.
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Very Thursday game is like that.
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Whoever wins the game, it feels like they won a playoff game, by the way, because that's how Amazon does it. They've got the desk field, they bring you over for an interview. Fans hang out over in that area. The whole league watching and the whole league's watch. It feels like a playoff game, even though it's really just a Thursday win. So that's why also that stuff gets big and everything that happens in New York is always as you know, 10 times bigger or, or at least presented 10 times bigger than anywhere else.
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It's going to be a fast paced show, there's no question about that. And we have a ton to get to. We still have to get to a little bit of the jets and more Aaron Glenn audio for you to enjoy. I don't know if Don, have you heard it yet because I just want to watch your face while he's talking and just see your reactions because it's again, less is more. Coach is probably the advice I'd give him. You want to get some calls in here guys? 800-93776, Mike in Orlando. He could practically reach out and touch Peter if he wanted to. What's up Mike?
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Okay.
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Hey, how you guys doing? Good, good.
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What's up buddy?
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So I agree with most of what you guys are saying, especially with what.
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Don was saying a little earlier. So the winner goes to spoils.
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If the Giants are winning games. It's fun, it's competitive, it's interesting. If they lose and they lose badly, it'll go away. They'll be humbled when Cam Newton Used to be scoring all over the league. He'd do his dances, people would get mad. But if you can't beat him, you can't get mad. So the Giants turn out to be a good team. It'll be a fun thing if they get humbled.
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They get humbled and it'll go away.
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They won't be dancing once they're losing. Yep. It just adds another layer of an obstacle which is a very, very difficult matchup for them, don't you think? Denver's treating this game like they lost last week.
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Well, they weren't happy with their they.
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Beat the worst team in football, 13 11. Right. So I am sure Sean Payton treated them this week which is a quick turnaround having to come back from London as if they lost that game. It's the best defense in football. Guys just is. I mean they get after it. As much as we kill the jets for not doing anything offensively, there was a major reason why Denver's really good and they're a playoff team from last year. Bo Nix is due. He hasn't had that great of a season. That's a difficult place to play. It's a reason why Vegas has him as a 7 1/2 point favorite. So clearly it is a difficult, very difficult matchup to begin with and now made more difficult by this.
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Let's go to Griffin in Connecticut who brings up something that has been something I've been talking about for the last week or so about the Giants. What's up Griff?
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Grif Stir.
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Hey guys.
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Person.
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I think the Giants should target that won't cost a lot and I think.
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He wants out of where he is right now. Jerry Judy wants out of Cleveland.
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There's no doubt he wants out of Cleveland.
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There's no way he want he still wants to be there.
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He is having a not Gary Judy type season and I think if he.
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Goes to the Giants I don't think it'll cost a lot and I think you'll actually change him completely because he goes to somewhere where confidence that already you have Jackson Dart and Cam Scabu that that believes in what they're doing. I think if he goes there he'll.
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Change and he'll be back to Jerry Judy is I think that could be.
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A good pickup for the Giants.
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That's an interesting name. Now he's on the injured. He's been injured. He hasn't practiced this week. Something to keep an eye on. You got to feel like he's probably miserable there right now. Right. I don't know if there's availability. But when you're the Browns and you're at the point they're at. Which, by the way, how did Moving Joe Flacco look? You saw the Tomlin stuff. Tomlin was even critical of them. Moving on from Flacco after that performance last night.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast. I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Coverage of the American League championship series game five immediately following us right here on 880. That'll be followed by the National League championship series game four coverage. You can hear the NLCS game four in its entirety on 1050. And we will have preseason basketball as well tonight as the Knicks will host the Hornets at 7:30. And that's why Allen Hahn's looking gorgeous in a suit. Final preseason game. It's a celebration. They're gonna have confetti come down that this is finally over and we can get the regular season going.
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Let's just get regular season. We Have Wednesday, baby. And that's when we got our show at Stout. Don't forget Everybody. And it's 3 o' clock at Stout, right on 33rd street, right by the Garden to get you ready for the Knicks season opener on Wednesday. Come join us.
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I do believe they are going to make a move. The more you talk to people, they just seem interested. They seem motivated to make move.
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Now I don't know if it's necessarily.
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Going to be the, you know, as high a level move as people expect at this point. I think by the time they get down to it it'll probably be a little bit lower because these guys are hard to be hard to pry away.
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From other teams and I think so maybe like more like a mid round.
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Receiver, you know, mid level receiver is more realistic but we'll see.
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But Jordan doesn't make sense, right?
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I, I think it does but Jordan says he doesn't think they should do it.
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This is just my opinion on the subject. I just don't think that they're in a spot where they need to get a receiver now and give up an asset to go get a receiver. They're in a spot right now where Jackson dart. It's about developing him.
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Right.
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He needs to learn how to read the field, read defenses whether he has a receiver or not. That's you're basing it on Results. Now, results isn't about the development there. And sure, if they win this game, it's a different conversation. Right? You go into Denver, you win this game, you're now at three and four. Okay, now, okay, now wins actually matter. Hey, why not try to win some games at the same time and then if you get a receiver, have a guy who signed after this year. But right now, two and four, ridiculously hard schedule, giving up an asset doesn't make sense to me.
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Let me just say something about Jordan. You know how I love him, respect him. I'm in the middle of his book, which I think is fabulous. I always get upset when people say, when they, when they shoot down a trade before you find out what the trade is. Yeah, yeah, like I don't know what the assets are. Maybe they get the middle wide receiver. It's a sixth round pick. I don't know. Like wouldn't you do it then? Now if you tell me, I wouldn't give up a first, second, third or fourth round pick for a mid level wide receiver. Now, now you're, now I can understand your logic, but to just shoot down the possibility of getting wide receiver because of quote unquote assets and you don't know what those assets are, I just think is foolish. Let's find out what they would have to give up.
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I completely agree there. And him saying a mid level guy too, Don, like that also suggests that, look, Griffin said Jerry, Judy, I entertained it because it allowed us to get into the conversation. You're right. Like I don't think they're aiming for that. But it doesn't mean you don't want to bring in a player who can help you, especially with neighbors out. And I also though agree with Jordan in this. Let's see what this week looks like before you entertain those types of moves. But if in the outside chance, which there isn't a great chance, like all things considered, the Giants shouldn't win this game. Right? They shouldn't. But if they do, do. How do you not think to yourself, okay, like that's three quality wins. Now for this team, you need to invest in this season just because you want to get the most out of it and build that momentum going forward. And asset, what are we talking about? Asset, Fifth round, pick six. Stop. Like, like let's, well that's, let's caught up in that.
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Let me add, let me add to that too.
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Alan.
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I would argue that, you know, in a weird way Jordan was arguing against himself because he's saying, hey, don't go Get a receiver when it should all be about the development of Jackson Dart. Don't you think another good receiver can.
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Help the development of Jackson Dart a thousand percent?
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Of course.
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Because if he doesn't have anybody open, then he might take a sack or throw an interception because he's trying to force a ball. I want him to have options. If he's going to read defenses, I want him to be able to read defenses. Give him the best chance to be successful.
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Don, what do we do when we're. When we're running a franchise? Right. Like, we worry about the future, but we also have to be consider the present and how important that is. And if we are trying to develop this quarterback right, and there's a lot of season left, this is not like we're. We're four weeks to go. This is. Right. You still have a ton of season to go. He's now established as your starter. This didn't take past Halloween. This didn't take to Thanksgiving like we thought it might. We thought this might not happen until December if things were going the way it should have gone. But it didn't. They went to him early. And then you lost neighbors. If you don't lose neighbors. If we have neighbors on the field, I'm not looking for another wide receiver this season. No, but because you don't have neighbors and you're very thin at that position. And we're now about two things. Trying to see how many wins we can get with this team to start developing a winning culture. But also developing a quarterback that is relying on a running game right now. Yes. And a good offensive line. But we're also trying to see if he can rely on quality wide receivers and open the game up. We see he's using his tight ends. So I think it behooves you as a general manager to look in the market and see what can we get that upgrades our position so we can continue to develop this quarterback properly instead of by the end of the season going well. He struggled throwing because he couldn't have. He had no talent around him. And you didn't do enough for the quarterback development. You nailed it. It's not just about making the quarterback better. It's helping him improve by putting the best talent you can around him.
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Now, the trade deadline is November 4th, so we're going into play. What's today? The 17th. So the games we played on the 19th. Right. So that gives us three games before you have to make a decision. If you lose to denver and you're 2 and 5, do you shut it down there or do you still give it another week?
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Well, what did it look like?
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See? Yeah, of course.
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Because if your offense sputters because he has no one to throw to and they're shutting down the running game, then I kind of keep saying to myself, I might need to upgrade that wide receiver position to help this kid. But if he's just running for his life and he's struggling, that's a different story completely. So I need to know what it looks like before I make that decision.
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Because there's the two things we all agree. You do it just to do it.
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To help your quarterback grow.
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And then there's doing it because you still want to honor the season and see if you can't find a way to sneak into the playoffs. Yeah, I believe if they lose to Denver, A2 and 5 with this schedule, they're not going to the playoffs. I still don't think they're going to the playoffs. But if they go to Denver and win, how do you rule it out? Especially.
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You're willing to rule it out. You're willing to rule it out at.
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2 and 5, because now. Now what does it look like, Peter? Like, you know, because now we're getting excited about a team that, what, played 500 for a month?
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Well, let's say you dropped a two and five. Let's have fun. Let's pretend. And I think this is still pretend, guys. I'm not as far down the road as Don is on the perils of Philadelphia. But let's suppose Philly is broken, as.
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We said, and you beat him again.
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You beat him again, you get to three and five. Now you get home San Francisco. All right, let's talk about. They win that one, they're at four and five. Then you go at Chicago. Hold the phone. But then after that, even if you go through that favorable run that we just made up to five and a five, which would be. Let's be honest, guys, I would say you basically accomplished enough for the entire season if they made it to five and five.
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Oh, my goodness. Parade time.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Can you.
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The heroes.
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Okay, what street in East Rutherford can the fans take to what's our 7th Avenue in East Rutherford? Well, Patterson Plank Road.
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They take.
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They take the Patterson. So even if you were to get there, that is then going to be followed up by home, Green Bay at Detroit, at New England, home Washington, home Minnesota.
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That's the five after that.
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So it's a journey, guys.
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They're not going to the playoffs. You know, Come on. I'm a Giant fan. I love this team. I'd love nothing more than to see this team go to the playoffs. How are you supposed to go to.
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Let me throw something at you.
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How about this?
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What do you think of this take? What do you think of this take? Win, lose or draw. If Jackson Dart doesn't have like a terrible comeback to earth week, sign me up. You're signing up for that yesterday, Anthony, was that on the air? Are you saying it's a no?
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No. Sign me up yesterday.
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Let me take you to the air. That's. That's conviction.
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So you. So you totally agree that if you could just have a weekend with Dart where he looks pretty good against a team this good. You feel really good about that.
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This was a hard schedule with a good team. Yep. And I don't think anybody's calling the Giants at the present moment a good team.
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Right.
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So we're in a situation where you've.
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Already gotten to the point where we.
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Thought we were going to be at week 10 Jackson darts playing. If I see improvement from Jackson Dart every week, even if they're not winning these games, this could be some 32 to 30, 28 losses in here somewhere.
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Right. You're taking that.
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I'll take that.
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Because there's a very. There's Don. There's very easily a world. And I'll continue to play the role of. Let's slow down on Jackson Dart guy. There is very easily a world, Don, where this is by far the ugliest performance that we'll get from him. This could be a very tough week.
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No, this statistically is the most challenging game for him early on in his career because of what Denver does.
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Yes. Now, I got to tell you, if he plays well the rest of the year, like Anthony just mentioned something. Oh, well. What if they go out and they lose? 31, 28. I'm going to. I'm going to get mad as a Giant fan that the defense played that poorly. This defense is supposed to be pretty good. Right. You've got an amazing pass.
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Right.
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Like, that would kind of tick me off. If they get quality starts from Dart and they. It's still losing games. Like, I don't think they're making it because this. How is this kid going to navigate through some of those defenses, some of these road games, some of these really good, experienced teams. But if you're telling me that he's going to play, let's pick the game. Right. If he plays like he did against the Chargers, if he plays like he did against Philadelphia, the rest of the year and then they lose a bunch of games because of coaching and because of defense, I'm going to be ticked off. I'm cool if they lose because of the quarterback. He's a kid. But if this defense gets lit up and they're the reason they don't make the playoffs, I'm going to be red hot.
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Yeah, I completely agree. When you said that about 30. When you said the 31 to 28 day, I'm going. They better not lose games like that. Like they need to lose games, but they already have. We've seen it literally happen. Well, I know to a bad Saints team it's not a good thing, but you would think as the season goes on, this defense has got to start playing up to potential. But you know, if you're losing games because you can't get to 20 points because your quarterback is running for his life or struggling or can't hit target, whatever it is or just not seeing it, defenses are now starting to pick up what to do against him because there's a lot of tape now. That's a totally different story. But you know what else you want? I want him finishing the season, guys healthy.
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Healthy.
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No more headbutts with Scatter. Boo, man.
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Well do.
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And Vegas is telling you. I'm going to tell you what Vegas is saying.
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Okay, Vegas.
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Vegas is saying this game is. Let me see what the total is.
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40.
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Vegas. Vegas is saying this game is like 2710. That Vegas to me says it's a relatively low scoring game in which Denver wins pretty easily because Denver's not a great team. Guys. That seven and a half point number means Vegas doesn't see the Giants doing a lot.
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2110. 21 to 21 6. Like yeah, something like not 14 6.
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Perfect 405 Nap game. If you're not a Giants or Broncos.
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And the NFL knows when they're scheduling a game, game 405, they're telling you don't watch it.
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A
We don't do this often. You guys taking the over the under.
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I go under at 40.
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Well, if you like the Giants, you better go under. Fair.
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No, no, no, no. If you like the Giants, you go over, over. That means your offense is produced.
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That means the offense produces. I think the offense does.
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Let me, let me redefine the question. I'm not saying win. I'm saying against the spread.
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Oh, well.
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To cover. Yeah, I could see them covering and it's still going under 20. You know, listen, 23, 2316 is a.
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Cover under but, you know, Anthony brought up the Saints game because it did happen. What was I mad at after the Saints game? I wasn't mad at Dart.
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No, the turnovers.
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I was mad at the turnovers and the defense, you know, needed to play better. They didn't have one sack in that game.
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It's a seven and a half point spread, right? Yes. 23:16 would not be a cover. Yeah, I don't know what that was.
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What do you mean? Yes, it would under. I said would be. Yes, you said.
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You said it would cover and under a seven and a half point spread.
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That hit the under.
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But seven and a half. That Broncos.
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23. 23.
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No, no.
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Oh, I meant the Giants covering.
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Oh. Oh, okay.
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Oh.
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So. Oh. So Don, you're saying if Denver covers. This is complicated. Is that what you were asking?
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That if you like, let's say you just.
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You feel like that's why I was.
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You feel like the Giants are going to cover that? I would bet the under.
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I feel like I bet the under no matter what. Yeah, probably. This game just smells like an under.
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B
But I think if, if you're going over, it's because Denver killed the Giants. Giants are going to score a ton of points against this defense, even if they play well.
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C
Yeah. Fair, fair. But I could see that going both ways. What if this is the true breakout performance for this Giants defense?
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B
Listen, listen, dude, Carter has a hamstring.
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He's questionable.
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C
I don't love that.
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Right out of the gate. Right out of the gate. Don't love that.
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Well, football is completely whack. You watch the game last night and, well, the combined age was at 43 or 83 of quarterbacks slinging the ball all over the place. And we've got. We've had quarterbacks last decade that couldn't do that at a decent age.
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You know, it's funny, both those guys played for the Jets.
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I know, right? And didn't play a lot like that last night when they were wearing the green and white. But Peter, you had an incident.
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I had an incident and I want.
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To tell you about that.
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I did watch the game last night and I did have a thought though, about why it was so Flacco must have been so happy to get to Cincinnati because I realized you could be completely decrep. It helps when you have Ja' Marr Chase and T. Higgins getting a new offense when you're an old man. You can sling it to someone who can catch it is useful now. So I was watching the game on my flight to Orlando and I'm going to tell you something, guys. You get an interesting crowd on the old LaGuardia to Orlando flight, LGA to ORD. It's an interesting crowd for a variety of reasons, some of which I'll tell you off the air, general soreness.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. But last night, for the first time, it was flight number five for Maya. And naturally, because it's America in 2025, our flight was delayed from nine to 11.
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Shocking.
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And so Maya screamed in misery for an hour and 42 minutes of the.
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Two hours I got. I knew it. I had a feeling this was coming just by the tone of your voice when you were teasing it. We've all been there, man.
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It is.
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Yep.
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It's just we did everything there was. It's just the. It's my fault. It's my schedule's fault. This was not the best time to travel, but when I thought we were leaving at 9, I thought it could work. When all of a sudden that becomes 11. And now you've been sitting in the airport that whole time. And now you're not landing till one. Maya, who's naturally such a good little kid, she just. She went into full meltdown. Can't handle it, you know, Alan, that tired to the point of just hysterical. No sleeping, just screaming.
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And you try everything. You walk with her, you do it all.
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I changed her in the. I brought her to the bathroom. I was proud of myself. I changed her on the little changing table in an airplane bathroom, which is not a treat. Natalie walked up and down the aisle. We did everything there was to do. We fed her, we chased it.
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Just.
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We had to. We get off the plane. She might have been off the plane for three and a half seconds before she stopped crying, not a peak, and passed out. Yeah, and then eventually. But then we got back to the room and even back in our hotel, guys, she's still wired like a maniac. Not in a bad mood, just wide awake till 3am and now she's at Disney World, I think. Dead asleep on a stroller.
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I'm sure everybody was very patient though, and understanding.
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And by the way, you know how I watched the game last night? In case you're wondering, this may come as a surprise to you, I watched it on Amazon.
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Of course you did.
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Margo and Jalen. The only time I remember that there was a problem was we were out. They were. We were out to eat and they were still in the. You know, the car seat. You lift the car seat up, you can put them in the restaurant. And they. They cried. They cried through most of the meal. And then a couple walks by us to leave, and the woman is an older woman, maybe. Maybe a little bit older than me. Thanks for ruining my dinner.
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No, she did.
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And it took. I was going to get up, right? And follow them out into the parking lot.
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Older woman, too, who should know better.
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And say to her, I'm gonna punch your husband in the face.
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Yeah.
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Because I can't do anything to you. So he married you, and he's now taking this responsibility, and he let you say that. But no, Nancy's like, no, don't. Don't do.
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I was like.
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I was just so infuriated. Like, you really think I want this? You know, I got to tell you.
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C
I have to be honest. I felt it was. It was an interesting group of characters on that flight from LaGuardia to Orlando. And I have to tell you, I felt nothing from anyone. No one gave any. Everyone knows you're suffering through it, and everyone's been there at some point. What are you going to do?
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The only comments I ever got, Peter, when it did happen is like, sympathy. Like, you're not bothering. Everything's fine, because they get it. You know, everybody's been in that situation. Nobody.
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The one experienced parent that leans over just goes, this, too shall pass.
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C
Yeah, exactly.
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They'll say that to you like, they, like, knowingly. We've all been there.
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C
I said. I said to Natalie at one point when we're about to get off the plane, and she's like. She's still patting her pretty hard. I looked at. I went, baby, it's over. We ruined the flight. Everyone already dealt with it. They heard the crying for two hours. Let her be. Just let her scream it out. Stop working. We're almost home.
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A
Okay, Hoodie song. Let her cry, let her cry.
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C
And then I get to my car rental guys, and for some reason, I don't know why Avis gave me this. They gave me a brand new Wagoneer.
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A
Okay?
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C
Natalie looks like she's an uber black driver. It's gigantic. This should be my business on the weekend. You could fit 30 people in this thing. It's like I'm driving a sprinter van. Beautiful car, though, by the way.
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I thought you were going to get the family Truckster.
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