Hour 1: Chernobyl Giants

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 1: Chernobyl Giants

Podcast Information:

• Title: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg
• Hosts: Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
• Episode: Hour 1: Chernobyl Giants
• Release Date: February 26, 2025
• Description: ESPN New York duo Don LaGreca and Alan Hahn, alongside Peter Rosenberg, delve into New York sports, offering lively discussions on the Giants, Jets, and more.

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Introduction to "Chernobyl Giants"

In the premiere episode titled "Chernobyl Giants," hosts Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg tackle the tumultuous state of the New York Giants' football team. The episode centers around the Giants' quarterback conundrum, draft strategies, and the ongoing debate regarding running back Saquon Barkley's future with the team.

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Quarterback Rumors and Speculations

Aaron Rodgers' Potential Move: The discussion kicks off with intense speculation about Aaron Rodgers potentially reaching out to the Giants. Peter Rosenberg brings up a report from Pro Football Talk suggesting that Rodgers has shown interest in the Giants, despite conflicting reports denying any direct communication.

• Peter Rosenberg [03:34]: "The biggest name is Aaron Rodgers. We know he's not going to be with the Jets, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's not going to be in New York."

Matt Stafford and Rams' Intentions: The hosts explore Matt Stafford's prospects, noting the Rams' intention to retain him but acknowledging the interest other teams might have.

• Peter Rosenberg [06:28]: "The Rams intend to keep him, which we've heard that before as well."

General Manager Joe Schoen’s Strategy: Don LaGreca questions the Giants' strategy in possibly opting for a veteran like Rodgers over drafting a new quarterback.

• Don LaGreca [05:41]: "Let me... we have two teams in this market that need quarterbacks. ... How could Rodgers not be appealing as a bridge quarterback?"

Host Opinions on Veteran Quarterbacks: Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg debate the viability of bringing in a veteran quarterback versus investing in drafting new talent.

• Alan Hahn [07:54]: "Why would Rodgers be the worst thing for this Giants team?"

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Draft Strategies and Future Planning

Pros and Cons of Drafting vs. Signing Veterans: The discussion shifts to whether the Giants should prioritize drafting a new quarterback or sign a veteran to stabilize the team’s offensive play.

• Alan Hahn [08:37]: "Maybe there's someone that they think they could get and develop behind Rodgers that they could draft."

Impact of Potential Draft Picks: Hosts analyze potential draft picks like Cam Ward and Shador Sanders, assessing their ability to carry the team forward.

• Peter Rosenberg [08:39]: "Quinn Ewers, there's other quarterbacks in this draft that aren't highly touted but still wouldn't be a bad idea."

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Saquon Barkley Debate

Running Back's Role and Contract Issues: A significant portion of the episode focuses on Saquon Barkley's impact on the Giants and the controversy surrounding his contract negotiations.

• Don LaGreca [37:12]: "Why did the Jets take Jamal Adams if they had no intention of paying him? Because they didn't care."

Missteps in Building Around Barkley: The hosts critique the Giants' failure to build a strong team around Barkley, leading to inefficiencies and the team's poor performance.

• Don LaGreca [38:15]: "They never thought about how to use Saquon. They screwed up by never building around him."

Callers' Perspectives: Listeners contribute their frustrations, highlighting the perceived mismanagement of the team's key players and draft decisions.

• Caller Dave [31:27]: "I definitely don't want any part of Aaron Rodgers. I really don't want Stafford... What they should do is draft a quarterback that's a pro now."

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Listener Engagement and Community Feedback

Interactive Calls: The hosts engage with callers who express their dissatisfaction with the Giants’ management and strategic decisions. Discussions capture the collective frustration of the fanbase regarding the team's direction.

• Caller Dave [32:09]: "They gave me a lot of time... What are we doing? It's bad."
• Caller Robin Nyak [35:28]: "Back and forth on whether to keep Saquon or move on."

Community Sentiment: Don LaGreca and Peter Rosenberg reflect on the broader community's feelings about the Giants, emphasizing the shared disappointment and the hope for a turnaround.

• Don LaGreca [49:46]: "I just cannot do it anymore. The constant conversation about should have kept Saquon."
• Peter Rosenberg [48:09]: "We are saying two different things, but I agree with you."

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Concluding Thoughts and Future Outlook

Path Forward for the Giants: The hosts conclude by emphasizing the necessity for the Giants to make decisive moves, whether through drafting effectively or signing capable veterans, to escape their current struggles.

• Peter Rosenberg [51:48]: "There is no easy button on this one. There's no, hey, we have the third pick and this guy's going to be a stud."

Final Remarks: Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg wrap up the episode by acknowledging the complexity of the Giants' situation and the uncertainty that lies ahead, urging fans to stay engaged and hopeful for positive changes.

• Alan Hahn [44:03]: "But it's aren't good when there's too much noise in them."

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Notable Quotes

• Don LaGreca [05:41]: "John Mara does not want to lose another losing season."
• Peter Rosenberg [03:34]: "Aaron Rodgers has reached out to the Giants, which if true, suggests he's not getting much interest from contenders like the Steelers."
• Alan Hahn [07:54]: "Why would Rodgers be the worst thing for this Giants team?"
• Don LaGreca [38:15]: "They never thought about how to use Saquon. They screwed up by never building around him."
• Caller Dave [32:09]: "What are we doing? It's bad."

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Conclusion

"Hour 1: Chernobyl Giants" delivers a passionate and in-depth analysis of the New York Giants' current predicament. Through spirited debates and community feedback, Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg paint a vivid picture of a team at a crossroads, grappling with strategic decisions that could define their future. The episode encapsulates the frustration, hope, and critical thinking that resonate deeply with Giants fans.

Transcript

[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Give me the porn. For God's sake, this isn't North Dakota.

[Don LaGreca]

This is New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg. The best threesome I've ever heard on 8, 80, ESPN and the ESPN New York app on a Wednesday in New York City for me at Madison Square Garden for Don Legca and Peter Rosenberg in the studio. Yeah, everybody.

[Alan Hahn]

How about that? How about another great intro from Brownshaw right there?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I never got to hear any of it just now. Talking to. Yeah, no, because I was talking down the line.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, you wanna. You want to run it back?

[Don LaGreca]

I don't think we should do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, how could you not need to run it back? But was it that bad, Doc?

[Don LaGreca]

I didn't hear it. I was talking to Peter.

[Alan Hahn]

Run the intro again.

[Don LaGreca]

Here it is. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on, you got to. Dispatcher's hard work.

[Don LaGreca]

John Winthrop. There was some major stuff happening at the station. He was talking to us. Listen, you got to show some respect to your. Your elder, your boss. Thanks. Not elders. I'm 20 years older than him. But. But he's my boss and I. I got to show respect.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, let's. Let's start the show again. Here we go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's do it. Done.

[Don LaGreca]

You know what? Maybe they can go pee on each other. That'd be great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Done. There's a lot of women out there that want you, Alan and Rosenberg.

[Alan Hahn]

Give me the porn. For God's sake, this isn't North Dakota.

[Don LaGreca]

This is New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg. The best threesome I've ever heard on 8, 80, ESPN, ESPN, NY, AD. All he has to do is say.

[Don LaGreca]

And yet every single time, Allan, he says threesome.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep, he does. And just so you know, Don, you are in one of his favorite threesomes.

[Don LaGreca]

I know, fellas, I got one quickie.

[Alan Hahn]

He is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You think he's the gift to keep.

[Don LaGreca]

Threesome I've ever heard Saturday.

[Alan Hahn]

Excuse me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's something.

[Alan Hahn]

He is a special.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The video that you shared, by the way, Peter, of myself just trying to get through a Richard call.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. I. People love it. I found that to be funny.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah. I don't know if you saw.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a lot. It's a lot. That's the face. I was trying. The face.

[Alan Hahn]

The face. The face you made showed it all. But it was great reading the comments. If you haven't seen it, guys on. I haven't seen comments me and Alan both posted on Instagram. And it's just Allen reacting to Richard calling. And. Yeah, there's over 100 comments with people just weighing in on how they react when. When Richard calls. So it's. It's a beautiful thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is. You know what else is beautiful? That the NFL just keeps. Keeps giving us mana from heaven. There's always something to discuss, and especially when you have two teams in this market that need quarterbacks. The stories that. I mean, there. There's so many different names now being thrown at us and a lot of different options to consider that I don't even know where to begin, to be honest with you. I mean, the biggest name is Aaron Rodgers. We know he's not going to be with the jets, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's not going to be in New York.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that is an interesting thing that I think some of us might have been thinking, but we're afraid to say out loud. But somebody did.

[Alan Hahn]

So. Yes. And now it's being. It's being bandied about the idea that Rogers had inquired and I guess that's being shot down now.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. Arthur. Was it Arthur Stapleton.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Art Stapleton.

[Don LaGreca]

Art Stapleton. Because. Yeah, because you got the Islander guy and the Giant guy, and I always get them confused that he reported that there was no conversation. Aaron Rodgers did not reach out to the Giants. So we've got conflicting reports. But the one thing that seems pretty consistent.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you want to believe?

[Don LaGreca]

I'm always in the. Because, listen, I respect the job that people like Alan Hahn and what Michael Cage would do back in the day covering teams, breaking stories, the work of Diana Rossini. 99.9% of the time, there's truth there. People outside the media, the fans think that they just sit in their rooms making stuff up to try to get attention. I'm not saying that doesn't happen. But the overwhelming majority of the time, these are legit stories. But sometimes lines get crossed. Sometimes people change their mind. I don't think Anybody's making anything up. So when you get conflicting stories, somewhere in the middle lies the truth where both could end up being somewhat right, if you know what I'm saying. So where there's smoke, there's fire. So I think there seems to be an interest, a connection, if you will, between the Giants and Rogers after people have made a connection with the Giants and Matthew Stafford and Mel Kuiper saying the Giants are not drafting a quarterback. So how many more people have to chime in that the Giants are not drafting a quarterback? That's what it kind of feels like. Unless you're telling me Rodgers is going to be a bridge guy, that they'll, they'll sign Rogers and draft a quarterback and that Rodgers will play this year and that quarterback will watch. But otherwise it feels like they are going to go to try to win as many games as humanly possible so this regime can save their job.

[Alan Hahn]

Let me, let me say this, this is such a weird story, by the way, because Ballard and I are having a conversation today about why not Rogers to the Giants and then this whole thing sort of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Before you go, Peter, let me just update those, the audience that might be saying, well, who the hell's reporting it? All right, so Pro Football Talk had a tweet earlier today, juiciest rumor from the combine so far. Now again, the NFL combine is going on right now in Indianapolis. And it said that juiciest rumor is Aaron Rodgers has reached out to the Giants, which if true, suggests he's not getting much interest from contenders like the Steelers. And so that's when a little bit later on you've get, you get the Art Stapleton. The Giants are not ruling out anything regarding their quarterback pursuit, but I'm told Aaron Rodgers has not reached out to the Giants. Giants have not talked to him.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, so, so hear me out. Hear me out for a second. You're Aaron Rodgers. There are not a lot of seats for you to sit at here, if any. Right. We don't know how many there are. We all imagine there could be a few. And we talked about some of them at length. We didn't really spend a lot of time on the Giants. If the Giants are not in love with a quarterback that they can get in this draft, why would Aaron Rodgers not be the appealing bridge quarterback to get right now? Because we've talked about it. You don't. If you decide that you're interested in Matt Stafford, that is not a bridge guy. That means this is a Matt Stafford football team. We, we are. That is what we are for the next several years. We're going for it with Matt Stafford at $50 million a year. There are a couple other options we could discuss. None of them particularly sexy. And then you have Rogers, who we know would be relatively cheap. We know it wasn't great guys, but he, as he got further removed from the injury did get better as the season went on. Why not see if you get a healthier offensive line next year. You get Malik Neighbors in his second year. Why would Rogers be the worst thing for this Giants team? And if you're Aaron Rodgers, A, you don't have lots of choices, Don and B, you have a house here, you love living in New York and get to stick it to the jets if you play well. There's a lot of appeal there on both sides potentially.

[Don LaGreca]

But you would have to draft a quarterback as well and not get a weapon. You mean because. Because Rogers could be done by the end of the year and then I'm starting from zero again looking for a quarterback. That's right. Stafford's appealing because Stafford could be my quarterback for the next three years and maybe I got a chance to win in that three year window and you know, the future be damned. But if I have Aaron Rodgers, all right, I'll be all in I guess for 20, 25. But then what?

[Alan Hahn]

I tend to agree. I'd still love to see them get a quarterback, but don't Allen. Maybe if they're not in love with guys, maybe there's someone that they think they could get and develop behind Rogers that they could draft. So they could still use their first round pick for a weapon for Rogers or whether it's a weapon or another piece that they need.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hear you that that's the part.

[Alan Hahn]

That makes it complicated.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the route. That's the route you go and then you go. If Jackson Dart doesn't fly up the the rankings when it comes to the draft and where he would rank among quarterbacks is everybody is whispering about him and no one's shouting yet but it feels like it's going to. You know, Quinn Ewers, there's other quarterbacks in this draft that aren't highly touted but still wouldn't be a bad idea. If you just wanted to get a guy, you could do that. I don't think you use the three pick on a quarterback. And Aaron Rodgers, I don't think you do that.

[Don LaGreca]

Why not?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because. Well, because history tells you that Rogers isn't really that kind of a guy. He's here to play. He's not here to teach. We've seen that before. And that's why I think this is why the Giants would immediately make sure it gets out there. No, like, before this turns into a thing. Let's not make it a thing. That's what, that's what Stapleton's report feels like to me is he checked in and they said what they said to make sure this doesn't turn into a mushroom cloud because they know what comes with Rodgers is that kind of coverage. And I don't think they want that.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, I understand that, but I'm also a big believer, and this is obviously very debatable that this new version of Aaron Rodgers really doesn't have any kind of kick coming. Like, so how could he bring that baggage? That's why you could somewhat disagree with what the jets did, because I think at this stage of his career, can he really start swinging it around, really, after what's happened the last two years? First year he gets hurt. Second year he wasn't great until the second half of the season. I mean, how ridiculous at the age of 42, him swinging it around like he's 30. It was silly when he first did it, coming to the jets, but listen, the jets caved and gave him everything he wanted, so he went with it. But at this point, joining a new team, do you really think he would make those demands on the Giants? And also, as far as him being a quarterback guru, there was a lot of positives coming out of Green Bay from, from Love that he was helpful to him, that the narrative of him not wanting Love drafted was because he wanted a weapon pick, not that he didn't like it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't misunderstand me. I am that. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying because this has happened before. I brought this up and it's. It's caused. I've. I heard from other people about this that that's not true. I'm not saying that he would poorly treat a rookie. What I'm saying is, is that that's not who he is. He is a, you know, by example kind of thing. He'll talk to you, all that stuff. But I also know that this is something that you're bringing him in not to be the teacher you're bringing him in to because you're trying to win. Now, I keep, I'm going to keep saying this. This is not the right thing for the Giants to do. It doesn't make sense. It's very anti Giant. This goes against that. Can you imagine taking away Taking the Jets sloppy seconds. Are you kidding me? The Giants, like this is where you are now. There are other options that they can consider and they will consider before this. This to me feels like Peter. I'll say it. The nuclear option.

[Don LaGreca]

I just want to know what the thinking is. If is. Are they drafting a quarterback? Do they not like these quarterbacks? Do they want to win now to save their jobs? Are they looking for a bridge quarterback? I don't know if anybody can even answer that question.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You'll know when free agency is done.

[Don LaGreca]

But, but even Aaron Rodgers, even if he never spoke to the, to the quarterback they draft. You don't think Sanders or Cam Ward wouldn't learn from just watching him practice, watching him play? Of course, you know, isn't. Isn't that something. Maybe he's not going to sit there and take him aside.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I also feel like this way.

[Don LaGreca]

You should do it. But just watch me.

[Alan Hahn]

I also would say that. I would imagine that that is that this year, guys, Aaron Rodgers going to be in a different situation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He'd have to be Kurt. He'd be Kurt Warner. You get to keep the beautiful house that you have there in Alpine. You'd have to, you know, you can, you can stay here and still be a, a New York where we're, we're in New York where he loved living here, he loved being out in New York and all that stuff. You can keep all the things that you thought you'd have with the jets like. But you're really now Kurt Warner. Like, we're not asking you to. You're not going to, you know, the lonely Lombardi thing that he did, that whole thing. You're not here to help us win a championship. You're here because you want to keep playing. And we need a quarterback that can play right now until whoever we draft is ready.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what you're not.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not going quite that far. I'd throw in. It's. That's the worst case version of it. But I think there is the only.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the only version you could possibly have.

[Alan Hahn]

But there is a version where this regime is thinking, you know what though? Maybe we can win some games there in Rodgers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Geez.

[Alan Hahn]

We have, we have one of the most dynamic receivers in football.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What is your.

[Alan Hahn]

We found out we had a running back in Tracy last year. Why? Why not?

[Don LaGreca]

I just keep looking back. I don't listen. I don't know if they will or won't win games. I don't know if he'll be able to stay healthy. But I just keep thinking back to what Dable said after the Indianapolis game. See what happens when you get quarterback play. Aaron Rodgers plays like he did in the second half of the season. The Giants will win games. I don't know how many they'll win, but they'll, they'll win games. They'll look functioning. And I think that's what John Mara wants to do. I think that's what the Dave Rothenbergs and all the Giant fans out there to want them to the Tank lose every game. I'm not sure that's on the table because I don't think John Mara wants to do that. He's sick of losing. He wants to start winning some games, get out of embarrassment land. And I think he wants to go find a quarterback that'll do that. And I think the reason there isn't an appetite to draft a quarterback is that you are signing up, most likely for another year of being completely irrelevant and embarrassing. And if they're not completely in love with these quarterbacks, how dare you take the chance. That's why I think they're looking about getting a legitimate quarterback, because I think John Maurer wants this team to play, as he always puts it, meaningful games in December. Will they be playing meaningful games in December with a legit quarterback?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Remember now at 93776 we'll get calls racked up here in just a moment, but there's more to the story. So Seth Walder had an article on espn plus plus guys talking more quarterbacks who will be the 32 starting quarterbacks this coming season. It's all prediction stuff is what we do this time of year for the Giants. He had him drafting Cam Ward, feeling like that's the guy they're going to get. Now that goes against all the mocks because the mock does have Cam Ward going, at least right now. The latest one from Mill Kuiper has him going number two to Cleveland. So either the Giants would work out a deal to jump ahead and get to Tennessee to get Cam Ward, who they've, you know, again, I've told you guys that they have spent a ton of time on Cam, Mort. They have all, all last season they were in Miami a ton. Like this is, this is a guy that they have put a lot of, a lot of time and effort into, but he has that as the scenario. So with these scenarios that we have here, Matthew Stafford, by the way, that still is out there as an option. But of course, the latest on Stafford is the Rams intend to keep him, which we've heard that before as well, but that's what they want. They intend to keep him. And then there's this from Ian Rapaport that Tom Brady and Stafford, quote unquote, ran into each other at a ski resort in Montana. Now, it wasn't planned. It was just this, hey, what are you doing here? Kind of situations, but did not really go into any kind of meeting. There was no kind of recruiting going on, but they still happen to be in the same place. And Tom Brady does now. He is now a part owner of the Raiders, who are also in the market for a quarterback. So the intrigue just continues to build. So what is the best case scenario for the Giants guys? What is the one thing like. Because there has to.

[Alan Hahn]

You have to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Power rank. Okay, these are all of our options, but what's the one that we really want? What's the one that's the best thing for us? Would you say it's Cam Ward somehow, some way, or is it one of the veterans, including Rogers, who could be a cheaper option, or Stafford, which could be expensive one, but does bring much needed credibility? Which one is it?

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know. I know I'm supposed to give an answer, but I don't know because I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

As a fan, how do you feel like as a football player?

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know. I'm talking as a fan. I'll say. I'm no expert. I'm a fan, all right? I covered the jets for 16 years. I covered the Giants before that. All right? But I'm talking to you as somebody that loves football, as a Giant fan. And I don't know because I don't know about these two quarterbacks. I don't know how the Giants feel about these quarterbacks. All I can tell you is what I know about this organization. And it sounds to me like John Mara does not want to lose another losing season. So that's why I'm thinking that they're going to go veteran, because he wants to go out there and win games. Now, I'm not saying that's the right thing or the wrong thing. It's not what I would do if I were the general manager. I got to get in the business of finding a franchise quarterback. But just closing my eyes and blinking does not all of a sudden make Cam Ward and Shador Sanders into something they're not. If I don't believe that they're good enough, if Joe Shane looks at them and says, that is not our future, should he Just take them to appease the fans. Should he take them and hope he's wrong, or does he say it's not. This isn't it, guys. We've got to go find a veteran. We got to try to start winning some games and hopefully we find a quarterback down the road.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, it's dangerous for a general manager to. To say after a draft, we didn't think this guy was good because, you know, then, then, hey, that's going to stay with you forever. And if he ever does get good, that's attached to you forever. So you don't say, like the J.J. mcCarthy thing. Like, you know, you don't go out and just start. Well, he didn't think he was any good. No. The guy we drafted, we just. We loved him more. That's what you say. So you're never going to get that. You never get the reason why. I think they're going to tell us by what they do in free agency before the draft if they. If they get the. Now, remember, the Rogers thing doesn't have to happen till after June 1. So he could be somewhere, he. Floating around. And in the draft, you don't love what your options are. Then he becomes, like I said, he becomes that fallback potential option for you if that's what you want to do. But by then, he might want to know where he's going, whether or not I'm retiring or I'm staying. Because we all know he likes to take little trips in June.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's right, of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he might. He might not want to have to now get back into shape or get into shape for a training camp in July.

[Don LaGreca]

So we'll see. I love talking about this because it's football and I love talking about football. But the frustrating thing about this is that nobody knows. Blank.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Don LaGreca]

That's why we got so many different reports, so many different directions. No. God love. Mel Kuyper is an absolute gem. Nobody works as hard as he does ranking these players, but he has no idea what these general managers are going to do. No one does. Jordan Ronan covers the Giants like no other. He is completely in touch with what's going on with that franchise, but he can't possibly get inside the brain of Joe Shane or any of these other general managers. Nobody knows what Tennessee's gonna do. They may think they know. They don't. They don't have no idea what Cleveland's gonna do. They have no idea what the Giants are gonna do. So we're sitting here trying to predict these mock drafts Honestly, God, Glover, you're wasting the paper with me, man, because it doesn't. It's all just a guess. I could come up with a mock draft, all right? The only thing I don't have is the knowledge of the players that I'm mocking. But I have just as much knowledge as everybody else on what the general managers are thinking, because there's no way they're gonna tell you what they're thinking. They'd be stupid if they did. But the only one that could is Tennessee because they don't have to worry about anybody else. They got the first pick. Everybody else probably lying to. So, Peter, what am I sinking my teeth into? All these reports are just guesses.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's because.

[Don LaGreca]

Educated guesses. But they're still guesses. But.

[Alan Hahn]

But this year's worse than usual. There are years, Don, where you can look at the first seven picks and everyone really doesn't know. It happens because.

[Don LaGreca]

Because everybody in his mother. He was taking Saquon. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But. No, but Peter's right there. Usually we have drafts where if you're the third pick, you know. You know what's. You know what's coming, and if you need a quarterback, you'll have an option. The problem is, is what a lot of draft experts and scouts are whispering is, all right, these are probably the top two quarterbacks, but in any other draft, they probably wouldn't be. And that makes you feel like, okay, so I'm not really getting a great talent at quarterback yet. I need one. So that does give other teams some hesitation and say, well, am I really going to pass on a. Like, imagine passing on Lawrence Taylor because you needed a quarterback, and so Joe Schmo was there and you drafted him instead of Lawrence Taylor. Well, I needed a quarterback, right? Like, you can't. You can't do that when you're that high in the draft. I think that's why Gettleman didn't want to pass on Barkley, because he felt like, this guy's the most talented player in the draft. You got to take him.

[Don LaGreca]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That didn't work out, but I think that's where. I think that's why you are where you are, Don.

[Don LaGreca]

And if you've. And if Trevor Lawrence is in this draft, we're not having this conversation, because everybody would know Tennessee would take Trevor Lawrence. But these aren't no brainer picks at quarterback. I respect your opinion, Allen. You believe that Shador Sanders is going to be great, but the census doesn't seem to agree with you. The consensus does not seem to agree about Ward. Some do, some don't. It's up in the air. That's why we're having so much back and forth, because there are plenty of teams that need quarterbacks. But it doesn't seem like everybody universally believes these guys are any good. So what I'm supposed to decide do the Giants think they're any good? If they don't, then they should go out and get a veteran quarterback. If they do, then they all means draft them. But I don't know what they're thinking. But if they are thinking they don't like either of these two quarterbacks, then go out and get the best veteran possible and try to win some games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right? And that's what I was going to say. And there's plenty more options when it comes to that route. That might not solve the long term issue, but at least get you relevant and get you out of what they've been these last couple of at least this last year for sure. 800-93776 we got a ton of calls. We will get to them. By the way, there's still more with this because you know, there's also the prediction for the jets and who they will have under center this year. So we got to get to that. There was the NFLPA player survey that they do every year. How do you like your team? How do you like your facilities? Everything else. Put it this way, the Giants were rated horribly and they did way better than the jets, which is not a surprise. So we'll get to all that. Luka gets a triple double last night, but there's still more disparaging things to say about him. The Knicks and the Sixers tonight at the Garden. That's where I am right now and an Islanders Rangers game last night to forget. Your calls are next though. Stay with us.

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[Don LaGreca]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Don on Rosenberg at 80 ESPN ESPN New York app 800-919-3776 the number so before we get to your calls again, a lot of stuff going on now with the combine. You get rumors. That's what always happens in the NFL. And so the rumors start to come out. And one rumor that was put out there from Pro Football Talk was Aaron Rodgers reaching out to the Giants, although that has been disputed by Other reports. Still, it's intriguing. Rams want to keep, right, want to keep Matt Stafford, but he is also a name that a lot of teams are considering when it comes to a trade. And then there is Seth Wilder, our very own at espn that put out an article just predicting quarterback situations based on, you know, just what things. How things are, are shaping up when it comes to rumors and reports and everything else. For the Giants, he has them taking Cam Ward in the drafts they're from. For that, he projects would be the Giants quarterback for the jets, while Mel Kuiper has Shador Sanders going to the jets at 7. In his latest mock, Seth Walder has Derek Carr as the jets quarterback for this coming season. He has fallen out of favor in New Orleans. They have a new coach there. Derek Carr's a guy like he wanted to be a Jet originally, before the Rogers stuff happened. He thought he'd be heading there and then the jets passed. Obviously, when the opportunity came to bring in Aaron Rodgers, he has. He was not great in New Orleans. So I don't know how this would get anybody excited. Not to like, yeah, he's not, he's, he's not a bad guy. But I think the only person that would be excited about Derek Carr coming to the jets would be devonte Adams, who might want to stay because that's his best friend. But that doesn't really move the needle for me, boys.

[Don LaGreca]

To me, I would have rather kept Darren Rodgers not because he had been here a couple of years. I keep devonte Adams. You hope you catch lightning in a bottle after what happened in the second half of the season. Derek Carr is coming off a bad shoulder.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don LaGreca]

Never was as good as Rogers on his worst day. So why would I do that? And I think that would really look weak for the jets because you're saying, well, we can't, you know, we're moving on from Aaron Rodgers. We just want winners. And then you go get Derek Carr. What does he want?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a great point. Right. Use his line against him. We're looking for winners. And that's what you do. Now, again, Carr was somebody who wanted to be here. He is serviceable at best. Right. But I don't love it. It doesn't move the needle. It's not like, you know, you're, you're. It's not a reclamation project like a Sam Darnold. Because Carr's older, obviously, he's been through injuries. Well, he's also been good before option for short term.

[Alan Hahn]

And also remember. But remember Derek Carr, unlike Sam Respectfully, had really been good previously. Like, Derek Carr has had some money seasons in the NFL. Maybe not the best in the, in the league, but he's had years that if you look him up, you go. They were certainly years that Sam's first few years pale in comparison to. So, yeah, you don't have to, what you have to hope is that you get a healthy Derek Carr. A healthy Derek Carr can play in this league. We've seen that.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. Derek Carr, you know, he's a guy that is the most touchdowns ever threw was 32. That was in his second year through 13 interceptions. But he's been a guy that's going to throw you, you know, between 20 and 25 touchdowns, between 10 and 15 interceptions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don LaGreca]

You know, and he's, and he's probably, he hasn't thrown for 4,000 yards since 21. We almost threw for 5,000 yards, but that year he threw 23 touchdowns, 14 interceptions.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but I'm saying you compare that to what Sam stats were before he.

[Don LaGreca]

Got good, but didn't have stats.

[Alan Hahn]

He was just a guy.

[Don LaGreca]

True.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, the other issue of course is money, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Sam's. Sam's. Yeah, that's, that's an issue too. Sam had 17 touchdowns, 15 picks in year one. Starting for the jets next year he did. He had 19 and 13 the next many years. You're talking about nine touchdowns, touchdowns. Nine touchdowns, seven touchdowns, two touchdowns. And then, and then in 20, 24, 35.

[Don LaGreca]

Because he finally had some coaching.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

All right. And he finally found the right place now. And, and also he was what, the third overall pick in the draft. Derek Carr was taken in the second round. All right, so he has had a very, very good career for where he was drafted. But at this, at this stage now you're talking, he's not a kid anymore. He's going to be 34 right at the start of the season. You know, he's a 10 year, 11.

[Alan Hahn]

Year veteran and coming off injuries, coming off a shoulder.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, like you're not trading for him because there's, there's, what is it, 30. He's got $30 million coming to him next season at 34 years old. They have the out, like a lot of teams have the out in the contract this summer and then you'd have to see if that's the way it goes, that they just, they release them and then you just, you pick them up and you're not paying anywhere near because it's a trade form. Doesn't make sense. It's a huge cap Hit for, for the Saints. So you know the details to that, it seems sketchy. I never really thought that car would be an option for the jets, but the fact that Wilder has them there just made me kind of, you know, just raise my eyebrows a little bit. 800-9193776 how about we talk to the people about this? Guys, we have plenty of time, so if you would, let's take Dave in Westchester to start us off. Dave.

[D]

Hey, how you guys doing? I'm a big Giant fan and I definitely don't want any part of Aaron Rodgers. I really don't want Stafford, even though he's a tremendous, tremendous quarterback. Because Stafford's just there to save the coaches jobs. That's all he is. The Giants have a brutal, brutal, brutal schedule. Stafford comes where they're going to win seven at the most. You think they're going to win eight, nine, 10 games or something with that brutal team, that brutal schedule? I think the pick is Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter. That those two, you can't miss the most all pros. Take one of those guys, try to get another quarterback somewhere along the way in the second, third round and put everything you can into thinking about how do we get Archmaine the following year. That's, that's my thinking.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay.

[D]

Only way I would take Aaron Rodgers is if I'm rooming to lose. That's it. Get Aaron Rodgers and deal with all this craziness and lose and then maybe get Arch Manning better.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know. Other than his last name being Manning. Why are we so sure he's going to be great? Why?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's it.

[Don LaGreca]

Why?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's already. No, no, no. He's, he's looked good. He, he's got an it factor that I know he didn't play. I know he steps on the field. He stepped on the field in the SEC and he looked great, right? He did, he looked great. Like he did not look like a guy that was, wow, he's going to need some time.

[Alan Hahn]

And he's the favorite. It's there favorite to win the Heisman already. So people are clearly seeing something and they've been saying it since he was what I think we first started hearing about archmaren. He was 11, 12 years old. It's been a long time.

[Don LaGreca]

His last name is Man. No, no, no.

[Alan Hahn]

But that there was. I remember the conversations when he was 12. He's the best one like that. That has been a thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It wasn't 12. He was in high school. But yes, no, I don't know where.

[Alan Hahn]

It may have been pre.

[Don LaGreca]

I just don't know if the Giants want to just have another God awful season.

[Alan Hahn]

How much you guys want to make a bet I can throw this ball over the mountains out there?

[Don LaGreca]

It's, listen, I hope you're right. It would be great, it would be a great story to have Arch Manning come here to the Giants and, and they relive everything that you got from Eli for a decade and a half. But you just heard your owner say, I don't want to go through this again. So he's probably not going to be making decisions that are going to be like what the caller said. We'll just tank. We'll will draft more skilled guys. Well, not have a quarterback win three games, then draft Arch Manning. Sounds like a great plan if he decides to come out. What if he does it now? I think he probably will.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You might have a little insight on that. You might, you might, you might.

[Don LaGreca]

I would think so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Little bit of insight and he goes.

[Don LaGreca]

Out there, God forbid, and gets hurt.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, geez, Don.

[Don LaGreca]

Or it doesn't have a great season again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I, I, all that can happen.

[Don LaGreca]

I, I just, I, I don't want to sound like John Mara because I get it. I want this team to be great again too, but I kind of, you know what I mean, where it's like, you know what, when are we going to start to just not be a colossal embarrassment anymore? And I'm telling you what John Maris said and I'm going to take what he said at face value, that if they do have another one of those seasons that the caller suggests, they're, they're bringing in another coach and a general manager again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, you got to show progress. I'm with you. You got to show some semblance of, of progress. And wins aren't necessarily progress. It's what it looks like. I do believe that. I'm not to say that if they lose, if, you know, if they only win three games again, that you can still keep them. I don't mean that. But you know, you don't have to be an 8 to 10 win team to suddenly say, all right, these guys definitely know what they're doing. You just got to start to show that, okay, you're heading in the right direction. Like we could see it. It's starting to look like something like that was if you think about it too right. That was what the Lions did in year two because you remember, year one was an epic disaster. We were all laughing about the biting kneecaps and everything. Else, Right. And then this, then that, then that. Second season for Dan Campbell did not start well. They were still bad. But the way they ended the season had this sense of it's starting to come together, it's starting to show something. There was something that you could like least tangible you could believe in. And I mean, ever since that, it's been. It's been better. Let's keep going with the calls. Robin Nyak, Rob.

[Don LaGreca]

Hey, what's up guys? Yeah, so just a couple of things. First off, the last caller nailed it in my opinion. Rogers, I see him as a net negative. And Allan, you made the point I was going to make an extra win or two, as we've seen in recent years. Doesn't always mean you're moving in the right direction.

[D]

Don.

[Don LaGreca]

Frustrate me to frustrates me a little bit with the Saquon takes. He was on it when that draft was going on. You don't take a running back there and I feel like you're in like a. Almost feel like you need to defend that point. But no, I got the point right. I don't have to defend it. I'm just want to know how the Giants would have been better had they kept Saquon. So here's my thought.

[D]

Like we.

[Don LaGreca]

And Alan even just said it like, oh, yeah, the Saquon pick didn't work out. Like my mind just kind of baffled. Like it did work out. You took him. He was awesome. When on the field, you just failed to build around him. Like, you know what got it wrong with Trey Lance.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're so right. You know what, Rob? Honestly like that. No, but I got to stop doing that. I got to stop saying it didn't work out because you know what? Joe Shane said that yesterday and, and I thought it sounded different like when I read it versus when I played it. That's why I thought Dom would flip out because he's like, you know, hey, didn't work out. Didn't know it didn't work out because you drafted somebody else. Drafted a guy who had a ton of talent. You built poorly around him.

[Don LaGreca]

No, I had said it at the time, when I said it, you could tell me. You could have. You could have whispered into my ear the day they drafted him, he is going to the hall of Fame. I don't pick him because it makes sense. It makes total sense. Because you never has a damn quarterback. First of all, you drafted him to say v ly right? Then you never got a quarterback. You had him for six years, did nothing. How many More examples do you need? How many?

[Alan Hahn]

How many?

[Don LaGreca]

I mean, I just. I can't do it anymore, guys. I just cannot do it anymore. The constant conversation about should have kept Saquon. They screwed up with Saquon. They screwed up the day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Should have kept. Not the take. It's not the take. Should have kept because you're right. I will concede you're right. They got to that point where it didn't make sense for them to keep him. Now we can always argue on how they let him go. That was the dumb thing. Which is another thing to pile onto. What the hell is this guy still doing in charge of this franchise? But to say that if he was the bet. Now look back at that draft again. Look at all the players taken in the range of him, right? The next good one was who? The seventh pick, right? He was the second pick. Good pick. Player was the seventh pick. This guy was. You take the best. They did not do a good job after that. You got a guy that was touched by the hand of God and then you thought, well, he can walk on water. We don't have to build a good team with him. That's what you screwed up. You always take the best player.

[Don LaGreca]

Not at running back. If you're not gonna pay him that. That's the point. If I had said to Gettleman, what you gonna do with his fifth year option, I don't know. I don't care about. I'm probably gonna be gone by then. I want to win a championship for Eli. That's the reason they took him. So don't tell me anything about building around him. They had no intention of building around him. The intention was get Eli a weapon so he can win before he retires. They never thought about anything beyond that.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll push back on you. In the NFL draft. They often don't pick the best player on the board in the NFL draft.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Comes back to haunt you.

[Alan Hahn]

It does. And usually later. At the top of the board. At the top of the. The board you pick for need.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know. I don't necessarily agree with that either.

[Alan Hahn]

What do you mean? If you're sitting there.

[Don LaGreca]

Giants. The Giants had a. The one strength they had was at linebacker in 1981. They still took Lawrence, but no, no, there are.

[Alan Hahn]

That's an exception. You wouldn't generally go, we got a great quarterback, but oh, my God, a generational quarterback.

[Don LaGreca]

We are talking about Saquon in the kind of same breath of like a generational running back. My point is he's a Running back. And if you have no intention of addressing his contract in his fifth year option, then why God's name are you drafting him? It's the same thing. Why did the jets take Jamal Adams if they had no intention of paying him? Right, because the reason they didn't have any intention of paying him, Allen, is because they didn't care. Gettleman was trying to save his job. John Maurer was trying to get Eli another championship. Nobody thought about the fifth year or the fourth year or the third year. They cared about that year. And you know what they did? They completely crapped the bed by winning, what, like three games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And what happened also is that you had a failure of any type of vision. Because, okay, we have this guy, he's gonna call, we're gonna have to pay him soon. Let's bring in a regime that doesn't believe in the running back. So essentially, you didn't even think about, well, how would you use Saquon? What would you do with them? Well, we have really have no use for him. Like, that's. Joe Shay made it clear. And Brian Dabel in his system. We may. We already knew what they were going to do. He was never going to be a priority. So that also didn't make sense, right? Why not reconsider who you're hiring when you say, well, wait a minute, we draft this guy, number two, he's a generational talent, and now you guys really don't have a use for him?

[Don LaGreca]

Well, if they. They would have had a use form had they gotten Daniel Jones, right? But they failed on Daniel Jones too, because without a quarterback, what the heck Goods a running back. So there were failures all along, really left.

[Peter Rosenberg]

She left a mess.

[Don LaGreca]

But just the. Just the whole attitude of, well, everything would have been fine if they had just given Saquon a contract. No, the plate. The place is. It's. It's Chernobyl. You're running around with the best screw. You're running around with the best screw in the world. You drafted it second overall. It wasn't gonna save Chernobyl. There would. You weren't gonna be able to put screw that into a nut and say, all right, no catastrophic nuclear meltdown. No nuclear. I don't care how I said it. The point is the Giants are Chernobyl. People are bummed. Did you see the she, the HBO show?

[Alan Hahn]

I remember it.

[Don LaGreca]

They're throwing up. That was basically it. They didn't speak with Russian accents, which bothered me. And every two minutes somebody was throwing up. That's the Giants. But no, if they signed Saquon, they'd stop puking. No, they would be puking with Saquon. You know, I know that because five of the six years they had Saquon, they vomited all over themselves. And then the one year they didn't vomit all over themselves, they still screwed it up. And. And that's why you still have Shane and Dable, because that was the one year they took the EP attack and didn't throw up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, puking with Saquon sounds like that's his podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's his new podcast again. And I feel like I love the kid.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Dante, take a breath. Take a breath.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm just mad at everybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I can tell. That's why I love getting you fired up. Stay with us. Don Hahn and Rosenberg, 880 ESPN. Don't want something for me.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What?

[Don LaGreca]

I'm just mad at everybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What happened there?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know. It was a bad drop, but I'm.

[Don LaGreca]

Just mad at everybody.

[Alan Hahn]

There you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's aren't good when there's too much noise in them.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a good point. But I just. I'm trying to. The real thing. I'm upset about the drop playing. Is that it distracted from the absolute craziness that Alan had said prior to that it completely covered it. He raised your hand. Put your hand down. Then download the app. What the hell are you talking about over there?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he. Raise your hand if you. If you.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, do it again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Have the app.

[Alan Hahn]

Raise your hand if you don't have your app. Okay, now what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right now. Put your hand down.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, now put the hand down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Get your phone. Download the app.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, okay. Put your hand down. No, it makes sense if you want to download it with your other hand and just still have your hand up. I mean, you're downloading. Yeah, but you look like a moron. No, no, it makes sense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In the air you're fumbling with your phone.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, right. But now your hands up. Your hands back down. And now it's. It's downloading the app. I see what you're doing. Okay, I take it back, Cap.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What am I doing? Yelled at by Dom. Dealing with this.

[Don LaGreca]

When did I. I never yelled at you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, yeah, you got a little mad at everybody.

[Don LaGreca]

No, I just. Because.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you caught it.

[Don LaGreca]

First thing has just become just everybody wants to have them. And I just keep. I. I am now like the face of the anti Satan.

[Alan Hahn]

But you're not that.

[Don LaGreca]

But that's what people think.

[Alan Hahn]

No, well, I'm here to explain that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Saquon hater.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm not a hater.

[Alan Hahn]

And it's so not true. He's the. He's the. My team is so bad that they had no business having Saquon.

[Don LaGreca]

Would that.

[Alan Hahn]

Would you say that's closer to accurate, Don?

[Don LaGreca]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

The team has no business having a guy like that a running back.

[Don LaGreca]

Robin Ho's a big fan of the show. He's like Alan Hans. So the issue with Don is that the Saquon pick is not the problem. I never said it's not the problem. It was the problem. Failing to build around him for six frigging years is the problem. Every team needs a culture foundational piece, regardless of their position. They had one. They let him walk.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I agree.

[Alan Hahn]

But when they let him walk, they already stunk. It already been written in stone.

[Don LaGreca]

Again, it's running back. No, no, no, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They let him walk. Not. Okay, We've got this valuable piece. The. The worst thing you can do is lose him for nothing.

[Don LaGreca]

That's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To me, that's worse than the crime. If you think the crime is drafting him. What's worse is then letting him go and getting nothing.

[Don LaGreca]

And if you want to say that, that's fine. That's not what Robin's saying. That you have to hold on to this generational player. And I'm asking you why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What, so you should build better with talent?

[Don LaGreca]

Right. But you. So you feel good as a Giant fan that you have Saquon, that he didn't go to Philadelphia, win a Super Bowl? I get all that. But to have your best player be a running back, you're not going anywhere if you don't have a quarterback, if you don't have an offensive line. And the reason I know that is the first six years, Robin's right. They screwed up. They didn't build around him. All right, now they've got to figure out what to do. Do I give him a contract, double down, bring him back and still not be successful and have him take a large percentage of our cap space and still end up being a 5, 6 win team going nowhere. Now, they screwed up because the two offensive linemen, they went out and got Runyon, and the other one didn't work out that great. The offensive line still wasn't good. Burns was all right, but I still don't think to the level they were hoping that he would be. The whole season ended up being a disaster. Why? Because right now it doesn't look like they know what they're doing. And everybody thinks that Saquon is this pixie dust that would have made everything better. Yeah, they would have been easier to watch. But would they be any better?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks. I'm sorry. I think we're saying two different things and we just keep going round and round. So let's not do that. We are saying. I think we're. Because I agree with you. But I do think we're saying two different things here. Let's just take Joe and Brick here. Go ahead, Joe.

[D]

Boys.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, what up, buddy?

[D]

Don. Don. If you're the face that hates Saquon, move over because I'm on the Mount Rushmore with you, baby. Because it was the worst pick at the time. Alan, I respect you. Never spoke to you. Trying to save the cake that we should have got something for a trade. That's not it. You don't shop at the candy store before you go to the hardware store.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I heard that the other day.

[D]

It's a good quote. The team is terrible and now it's an embarrassment. And we. As a fan. I'm so over it. I'm so listening. I've. I've cut down my radio time in 2025. Listening. We.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's not.

[D]

The roster's terrible. What they should do is they should pick a. Get a. Get a quarterback that's a pro now. Rogers, Stafford, whatever, and get a better talented. We have the worst talent in the league. All the talent we have we obtained via trade. Or we have Dexter Lawrence you drafted. We don't have a third round player. We drafted Malik Neighbors. How many wins do we get? Do we get more with him or with.

[Alan Hahn]

But let's just go. But let's just go with the. It wasn't Alan Han. It was me who said it. But also I'm just responding to the point that you just made.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's not even listening to radio anymore.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't listen anymore. But you said. You said they have no talent. I responded neighbors. And then they. Tracy, they. They have some pieces of talent. They're not utterly talentless. They've been more talentless than they are right now.

[D]

By the way, Peter. We. We. We are a joke ever since we picked Saquon, essentially, and we didn't have a team around him. And if we. Yo. We Manning's highlights. I get the chills watching this time of year when we get to watch the 2005 and 2011 playoff runs. Are you kidding me, man? That was. I have two kids and a wife and I hope they're listening because that was the best time of my life. But what are we doing? It's bad. I mean, we don't know if Ward or Sanders can carry a team that doesn't have this talent, and we kept the regime on board that. That is trying to save their job. It's just the worst mix. You guys gave me a lot of time.

[Don LaGreca]

I appreciate it. No, listen, before we let you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Man, before we let you go. But, but you're. You're. You are exactly the Giant fan that I. I want to hear more from, because you are the one that is as invested but also disgusted like Don is to. He's to a point, too. Like, I, I do find this compelling because as a Jets fan, I'm just always in misery and I always expect bad things. But. But for Giants fans, it's like you've reached a point now where it's like they just never get it right and you're not used to that. It is a frustrating place to be. And there is no easy button on this one. There's no, hey, we have the third pick and this guy's going to be a stud, so we're drafting him. There is nothing like that right now. So, Joe, keep listening. Keep calling in, because we. That's the kind of feedback we definitely are going to need here. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

[Alan Hahn]

In case you didn't know, these young men are driven, quite remarkable, magnificent and unmistakable. These are the prodigies, the savants, the ones we've been waiting for. And they are not asking for you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To pass the baton.

[Alan Hahn]

They are methodically planning the perfect moment to take it. A new generation of Toyota drivers are here, and they want you to know one thing. You can't stop my drive.