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Cross your legs, honey. Let's get out of this in it.
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Han, I didn't know you were a screamer.
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And Rosenberg, happy new Jewish New Year. Not Newish Jew year. This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.
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This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.
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The best threesome I've ever heard on.
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ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.
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Oh, boy, oh boy, oh boy. The last Friday before Thanksgiving. You know what they say? You know what they say about the last Friday before Thanksgiving?
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What do they say?
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It's the definition of Thanksgiving. Vibes of Jace. Dude, we're here.
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It is.
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According.
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According to yesterday's conversation, it's the Christmas season.
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Yeah, according to it's Christmas Eve Eve.
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Oh, don't you. Don't you start hating again.
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All right, well, listen, I'm connected now. So if I want to relive the rant, you know, keep pushing me and you'll get to hear what I didn't get to hear yesterday.
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You know what I do. You know what I'm here for, Don, the only reason why I got this job was to push you.
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That's right.
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And you're doing well. You're doing well.
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The silence yesterday will live forever.
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Yeah, that was sad. Donnie in the dark is a moment in time. Yesterday's whole show was a moment. A moment in time you don't get every day.
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The Florida Don just hits different, doesn't it?
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It does.
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In just so many different ways.
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That's how you know Florida Don's different. He does a show to himself. While we're talking to a caller. You've never seen anything like it. If you missed it, go back and watch yesterday's YouTube. You'll enjoy it. It's all there. Your time on the ESPN New York YouTube channel. But guys, some. Some football out of the gate to discuss. Today we got. We got news on Jackson dart or lack thereof. And also Allen, we talked a lot about must win games and what does it say about certain teams? And Buffalo goes into Houston, lays an egg. And after a ridiculous 4th and 27 pickup on that last drive, they Come up short and lose to the Texans and Now drop to 7 and 4.
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Look, if you're a Giants fan, what's happening in Buffalo should concern you.
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Yes, I agree. If you're. If you want Mike McCarthy or an experienced coach.
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Or an experienced coach. Right.
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Well, I think. I don't know if Tomlin goes there and solves Buffalo's problems, but I think Mike McCarthy can.
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Okay.
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Just because he's an offensive guy. And I think that's who Josh Allen would want to be his new head coach, rather than a defensive guy. And a guy, let's face it, you know, Pittsburgh hasn't been known for being explosive offensively. So I don't know if you're going to want to stick around, if you're going to pull an ultimatum if you're Josh Allen and say, all right, listen, either. Either you get a coach here that's going to help me win a Super bowl, or send me somewhere else and pull the Matthew Stafford kind of deal.
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Yep.
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I don't think you're going to do that for Mike Tomlin. I think you might do that for Mike McCarthy.
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That's so interesting, though. I mean, I see what you're saying from the offensive standpoint, but from a pedigree standpoint, you think someone would feel that strongly about McCarthy versus Tomlin?
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Well, here's. Here's why. And I could be wrong on this, and I think it's certainly debatable, guys, but I'm a. I'm a big Mike Tomlin fan. Coming from the perspective of the Giants, who have won one playoff game in over a decade, to where? You'll get me to Mike, Tom. Get me to be a team that goes to the playoffs every year, is a lock to win nine games every year, but just can't seem to get over the hump. That's what Buffalo is now like. Buffalo wants to get over the hump.
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Yep.
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So you bring in a Mike McCarthy that has won a Super Bowl. Now, he hasn't been able to get over the hump recently, but at least he's an offensive guy. What has been the complaint that Steeler fans have about Tomlin is. It's stale. The. They run the ball too much. They haven't been able to do anything offensively.
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They haven't won a playoff game in 10 years.
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Right. So I think they're both kind of the same. They both. Both former super bowl champions that have gone stale. One still has a job, one's out of a job. But give me the offensive guy if I'm Josh Allen. I mean, how do I know it gets any better if it's Tomlin, what.
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It is now, same time.
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Well, you get, you get. You got a guy that's, it's, it's a, it's an experienced voice. And sometimes I, I have seen this in all sports. Sometimes if a guy, if a coach or a manager, whatever it is, has been in one place for a long time, it does tend to go stale.
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Yeah.
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But what goes stale somewhere else is fresh in a new. In a new place and could be exactly what you need for both of them. You know what I mean? Like, I get, I. You have seen it in the NFL and we seeing it from Andy Reid. That's a great example, is it not? He was good in Philadelphia, but the complaint was he couldn't get him over the top, he couldn't win the big one, all that stuff. He goes to Kansas City, he didn't change anything. It's who he is. But don't fresh there because they needed that.
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But don't you think. I agree and I think Both Tomlin and McCarthy would be better than what they have in Buffalo right now. But don't you think that McCarthy's got a better chance to become Andy Reid than Tomlinson? Just because I'm an offensive guy, I've got this singular talent at quarterback in Josh Allen. That's what we need. Rather bringing in a guy that is known for stabilizing things, winning, getting more out of his roster than maybe he should. But really, is he going to make things better for Josh Allen?
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Okay. If we're going to now live in that world with McCarthy not being on the table, if McDermott does get fired and again, we don't know.
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But I would think when you go through this heading that way.
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Yeah. If they run into a wall again in the postseason, maybe they have to make a change. He's already like, even last night, you could hear it start to come from him. He's getting frustrated with the offense. Keon Coleman was supposed to be a guy that was going to be a weapon for them. They got to keep benching him because he can't behave. Like they've got problems there. Clearly, you know, again, they had Diggs, they had Tay Diggs, like you said, don't. And he couldn't behave. So there's something going on up there. But Josh Allen, very similar to the story in, in New York with Jackson. Dart is still taking too many hits. He's still getting. I think it was 12 times he got hit. Last night.
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Was eight rushed four. Well.
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Well, how about if we stop Will Anderson? Do you think there's one guy to worry about? Maybe you want to, like, focus on him a little bit. But they're saying that about Josh Allen, who's been in the league for a long time now. He's still having that problem of getting hit too much. So all I want to know is the, the one man's trash is another man's treasure. Would Sean McDermott be interesting?
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For who?
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The Giant Giants?
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Oh, God.
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What do you mean? That was kind of.
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My God. No, no.
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So you wouldn't. So, well, no, again, has he, have they been awful or have they, has he been good?
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They've been a very good football team. I don't know that he's the reason they're good. I mean, they have.
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Well, he's the head coach.
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I get it. But they also have as talented a quarterback as there is in the league, essentially short of Patrick Mahomes as their quarterback. They've had a lot of good pieces there, and they've always come up short, and sometimes it's happened with bonehead coaching, so I don't know. I know it's a hard spot judging these guys who get tons of wins every year and then come up short in the playoffs. It's hard to say.
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They see now, keep in mind, but.
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I'm not feeling it.
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He's a defense guy, so you'd have to bring in an OC that's, you know, legit or, you know, does, does Kafka stay? Because he doesn't get a job somewhere else. So the offense stays the same and so nothing affects Jackson Dart. But your defense, which has been garbage, maybe gets better.
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I, I, listen, I'm not that close to it to watch, like, every Bills game, but my feel for the Bills is that that's all Josh Allen. I, I, I don't feel like McDermott is a guy that gets them there. Josh Allen gets them there. When you watch every big moment, it's his run, it's his, it's him doing something. And if they had found a way to win that game last night, it would be all on him again, right? With the hook and lateral and getting them down inside the, you know, the red zone with a chance to win the game. It's, it's all him. Okay.
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All right.
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But again, I don't watch enough to know. And we don't get calls from Bills fans the way we do from Steeler fans who hate on Tomlin. But Peter, am I off? It just feels like Whatever success the Bills have had over the last decade, it's been because of Josh Allen, not.
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Because of their coach. I tend to feel that way too, Don. And you know, listen, coaches are a weird thing. If you look on Twitter last night, over a one minute period in real actual time, you had half of Twitter screaming for the brilliance of Joe Brady because of the 27 yard hook and ladder and then 10 seconds later wanted him fired gone because they weren't able to come up with points on the drive. So it's very hard when discussing like I know people have been down on the Bills offense at points this year, including last night, but d' Amico Ryan's had that team ready. That was a really good Texans defense.
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Quarterback.
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Yeah, so, so, so, but just, just hear me out though. You're telling me if you're complaining about Joe Brady right now and you're a Bills fan, the problem with the Bills historically has been offense. No, this offense been fine. That's not the reason. Maybe last night but.
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But it's been all Josh Allen.
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Well, and also.
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Really.
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But they also had offensive line problems last night. He wasn't protected so.
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But it's all Josh Allen on the offensive side too. I, I'm not seeing a lot of coaching. I'm seeing a singular talent that is getting.
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Cook's been good. I should say Cook's been good too. He's been a good.
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Listen, they're not bereft of talent. But. But it seems like Josh Allen seems to have the ability to make things happen. So it's interesting. It is because I think I, I just can't believe they lost that game. I can't believe the New England Patriots are going to win the AFC East. Guys, I know you just threw up in your mouth, but how do you not. And guys, they might win it going away.
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I mean now what do they have.
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A two game lead now?
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Now it's a two game in the loss column.
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They play each other.
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They played once.
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They've only played once, right?
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Yeah.
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So they do play each other. I'm sure it's late in the season.
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Let me give you, let me give you the old Bill's sketch here.
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I'm actually going.
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They're at the Steelers. No, next week. Then they're home. Bengoos. Then they're at patriots 1214. Right. But a week before Christmas.
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Yep.
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They're at Patriots.
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Yeah, there it is.
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So they can the split there and otherwise guys, their schedules fantastic. Except the Eagles and that Pat Skip. Besides that, I don't consider The Steelers to be a great team. The Bengals are not a great team though they may have burrow back. They got the Browns great defense. Not a great team.
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Here's.
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And they close with the Jets.
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Here's why the Patriots are running away with this division. Here's all you need to know at Bengals home against the Giants. Then they play again. They play the Bills. Then they go at Ravens. Then it's end with jets and Dolphins.
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They're winning.
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How are they. That's what I mean.
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The only question is if they run away with it. But they're.
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Could they get. They're going to get four wins. Could they get five out of the six?
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Sure.
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Oh yeah.
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So they could run the table. I mean they just keep proving everybody.
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Wrong, by the way. But let me just be.
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Big Ravens game. That's a huge Raven.
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Let me just be that guy though. If assuming the Ravens are still playing for their life. That's in Baltimore. That's a hard Drake may. I know, I know the Ravens defense has been soft this year and really disappointing. That that's a big boy game. All right.
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Yeah, that's a big boy game. That's a statement game if you're Drake made. That's a statement game to go down there and win. But we've seen already this season that you can go in there and win like you never used to before.
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True.
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But if they're going to. If that's six games, you get five out of six, the division's in your pocket.
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By the way, I know this sounds absolutely nuts. Jackson Dart back in a couple of weeks. I'm not throwing away that Giants game. I'm not at the point with the Patriots yet where the Giants play everyone. Tough.
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Is that a Monday night?
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That is.
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Yeah.
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It's Monday nighter in New England. In New England. But if Dart's playing, I give the Giants a chance in that game.
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But I think that's a great transition whether you meant to do it or not.
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Well, it is excellent if darting really good about transitions.
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Thank you.
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If Dart is playing that that's a. That's a problem. Guys. This is not a knee injury, ankle injury, elbow injury. He's concussed. He's going to miss a second game. He's already visited the tent four times this year in concussion protocol. Two games is not nothing guys now and people we got caught in up into the semantics game of him practicing and even hearing it today. Despite practicing all week he was in non contact. So he was going through the motions. He tried but he Couldn't go. You know, you missed two games because of a concussion. You've been in. In the tent four times early in your career. You don't want this to have to be a problem because that. Forget about the talent that he has and the future. You've got a quarterback with a concussion problem, then welcome to. To a world. Right? What do we. What do we say about tool all the time is, you know, he's a hell of a quarterback, but I don't know, he's a hit away. So we're trying to convince, you know, a coach to, hey, Mike McCarthy, come coach the Giants. Sexy job. New York. We got a really good young quarterback. And he goes, yeah, a quarterback that if he gets sacked in the preseason, he could be out for five weeks. I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. And you can't fault somebody for saying that. Now you go into the next couple of years and don't suffer another concussion, fine. We've seen it happen before. We've seen guys overcome those things, but we've also seen guys that had careers cut short because the concussions never stop. Right. For every Daniel Briere, there's a Brett Lindros.
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Mm.
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So I would be kind of curious to see how long he's out. And you said something, Peter, flippantly, like, if he. If he doesn't play a third week.
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No, we got problems. Then you got a real problem.
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Man, that's a problem.
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That would be a real problem.
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And then. Oh, and then go out, dive in for first downs and do all the things that make us believe that you're a great NFL quarterback and a guy that's got concussion issues. RG3.
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Hello.
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RG3 was mostly ligament issues, but I understand. But either way, it's not what you.
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Want, and it was definitely something you needed to correct, but it's somebody that couldn't live up to his potential because.
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Because of the way he played the game and what his way he played the game.
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And now if I've got to tell Dart, I need you to stay in the pocket. I need you to avoid contact because you have concussion issues. Can he still be a great quarterback? Maybe. But now it's a big maybe. Now it's not. Hey, what a great job of the Giants trading back into the first round. All they got themselves a quarterback. Dead sexy. Everybody's going to want to coach him to what? Now I'm retraining him to play the position because I don't want him to get hit. Not good, Bob.
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Yeah. No, it's it's not what you want. And I'll tell you this though, if there is something that you want, Don, you should probably order it with Amazon because of Amazon Pickup. True, it's the ultimate convenience play. We all know Amazon is part of everyday life. But Amazon. But Amazon, I know. I loved your true. Actually, I think that's what lives on here in potential drop madness. If you, if you wait for it. But Amazon Pickup, it takes it to the next level. Because if you're pressed for time and on the go like I am, then you know me, I'm always in the studio. Even on Fridays, you could choose to send your orders straight to a secure pickup location that works for you. Amazon lockers and counters are located near you. No matter where your day takes you, your package is ready when you are. Alright? Life never needs to slow down and it never does. So instead of worrying about timing or knowing schedule stuff, your package is waiting for you. For me, with the baby at home, who by the way, she's on the move, this baby is active. I am constantly on the move as well. But Amazon Pickup gives me the flexibility to grab what I need between shows. All right, that's how it works for me. And it can work the same way for you. It's simple. Order online at checkout, choose the pickup location that's most convenient. You get an email confirmation with your instructions. When it's all ready for you to pick up, you head over, you grab it quick, secure, always, no extra cost. Check it out for yourself. Go to Amazon.com pickup MVP to learn more. That's Amazon.com pickup MVP.
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This is a big time of year for the Amazon pickup.
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I'll say.
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I mean you're talking about busy, busy time. No, we used to. I'm wondering if you guys are interested in this next week. Well, not yeah, I guess next week, but more and more in December. Bart and I used to do a day that we, we majority of our first of all we shouted out all the delivery people like all the different delivery companies, ups, Amazon, everybody that is hustling during the holiday season, getting everybody's gifts, packages, everything else delivered the postal service to all part of it. And a lot of them listen because they're working at the time that you know that we are on. And we would have a day where it was exclusive calls only from those and we would say shout out where you, where you were. And they would trash talk each other, which was awesome. It was so fun. It was hilarious with one guy said he boxed in another truck like so he couldn't get out so I could deliver, and then he couldn't get out, so I'd stay ahead of him because, you know, a lot of times the same. Same trucks are on the same route, just different delivery companies. And it was a lot of fun because we know this time of year, those who are dealing in the delivery world are. It's extra hours. It's a lot of work. It's exhausting. And if not for them, everything crashes down in the holiday season. So I. I've always wanted to salute them. We did it every year, and I was wondering if you guys would want to join me in doing that. It's one day in the next couple of weeks.
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I'm down. Always got love for our delivery people, man. There's a lot of. Now whole exclusive. We got to see if they come through. I mean, if a whole. If we did an exclusive delivery guy and gal show and they. And they took over the whole show.
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They'Ll call because, like I said, we would do that. And all the lines were different drivers. We mainly the exclusive, like, in one hour window because, you know, and they do have to work. But some of the stories that they tell about the, like, rivalries and who's better, and it actually is pretty entertaining, by the way.
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So I just. I just turned on my.
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Okay, whatever. What happened?
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No, every. Everyone. Everyone complained this week. And understandably, I guess, because they were worried about Cam Scatter Boo. Or injuring himself. I'm personally more worried about the fact that I just opened Twitter and see he's hanging out with the racist moron. Neon, the worst Twitch person ever in the world.
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Never heard of him.
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A complete racist dirtbag.
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I don't know.
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Clue.
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This is strong, but I. I trust your.
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Yeah.
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Anthony, am I out of bounds here?
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I don't know him. I know that he's popular.
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Oh, yeah.
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And that being with him, you'll get more subscribers. So I'm assuming that is the direction that we're going with that. Well, didn't he just. As opposed to shotgun a drink out of a cleat because he got to 1,000 followers. Yes, that's what Cam Scatterbo did. He's jacked up on moun.
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Yeah, man, I get that Cam's excited about the Twitch thing. And I know. And I know I was just the one here the other day saying, give this guy a break. He's got to build his brand, but my man is every day, every day.
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I'll say this clearly.
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Last week, UFC Monday, he's at Raw now he's hanging out with Neon like my man. Clearly he needs to get the energy out.
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Yeah, he needs to.
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And I'd much rather be on Twitch than true.
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Just, I just try to. Do me a favor, don't choose the openly racist ones if you can. Maybe the closet of racist. But I mean, just Neon's bad. I mean, I know he's tried to make amends for it, but guys, just feel free to Google the quotes.
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This.
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Isn't there a list for that?
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This is good.
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Is there a list? Yeah, it's. It's just there for you. And by the way, I don't think.
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Anybody needs to Google it. How about just don't bother.
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Yeah.
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Or don't.
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Just even give them your energy and let's keep it moving. But you, you know, you made the observation on Scatter Boo. And I'll tell you what, man, it does show you, though, how much this injury has affected him mentally and emotionally. It's like he just needs feedback and needs. You could tell that he really does thrive on energy and feedback.
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Yeah, man.
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And when you are. Because, you know, anybody that's been injured will tell you. And a lot of athletes I remember, I've talked to have said, this is when you get hurt during the season, you feel so detached from the team because you can't really be involved in anything. But when you're done for the season, that is like, you're not going to be in meetings, you're not going to be part of anything. You're not prepared. So you feel so detached from the team. You spend most of your time in the training room getting treatment. When they go on the road, there's no reason for you to go on the road. Like, it's an awful place to be. He's probably dealing with all that right now because you could tell he's definitely a good time. Like, he's always about a good time. And you could tell his teammates love him because he's got that kind of personality, great energy. He has nowhere else now to put that energy out. So he's got to sit online and get responses and comments and everything else just to make them feel good.
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Well, yeah, I mean, a lot. And obviously this is not me going into a better help read, but this is an issue that a lot of people have, particularly young people who are of this era, that they need the feedback all the time. The thing that's so crazy about it to me is, and I guess it's different with Cam because, like, again, he doesn't. He doesn't know necessarily that what his career is going to be, but like, one of the things. Don, I've talked about this before. If I were a stud athlete, one of the best things about it would get to be being offline and not being in the never ending feedback circle and cycle.
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Like, I don't.
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You get to avoid it. You get to just go play football and get your check.
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Yeah. But I think there's a generation of kids that they just need that. They don't know what it's like not to live in that world. They want to constantly be in that world. For us that lived a life before social media, before that whole thing, we can kind of take it or leave it, but I think when you were born into that, I don't think they want to leave. They're. They're looking for reasons to stay in it. We take the break, right? We're looking to get out. Yeah, we're itching to get out. You get in.
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It's been off my phone all week. It's been amazing.
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It's a cesspool.
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It really is. Social media comments for us growing up was just like, you know, recess.
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Yeah.
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The school bus. Right.
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C
And listen, not to say that the.
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Car after a bad game.
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C
Yeah.
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A
You talk about comments. Damn, I wish I could mute my dad's comments.
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B
Yeah, but he never wished death on you.
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C
Right.
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B
He might have said, you need to improve this.
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C
He didn't wish death to himself.
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B
Yeah. He didn't grab the steering wheel and go, you know what?
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A
The one.
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B
The one time we just couldn't watch the news a little longer, instead, we.
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C
Had to have you. Yeah, exactly. You know what?
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A
He might have hinted to leaving me on a corner and just walk home from here because I'm so disgusted. He might have hinted.
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C
You're making me feel better about the fact that my dad skipped most of my games. Now.
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B
Listen, nobody sits there and goes, I can't wait to see Peter pinch run.
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C
You know what? All of this emotional trauma is making me wish I had a little better help right now. And this November, better help is encouraging everyone to reach out.
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Is he double dipping in the dump?
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C
Yeah, buddy.
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Is he double dipping?
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I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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We give no quarter on this show, man. No quarter.
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No. I wish whiskey.
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A
I wish whiskey.
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I wish.
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Sounds like somebody taken.
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C
Listen, don't forget this.
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D
The last time I called up, I was not high, I was pooping in my pants.
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Oh, we have what an audience.
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C
And yesterday, of course.
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B
And if you take a look at the Halloween decorations, very similar. They're very, very fall. Like.
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A
Yeah. Oh no. Oh no.
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C
Oh no. Let's go. Let's get things started. Wait, we have two mooses on hold. Is this real?
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A
Would that be Meese? A couple more for a pack.
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B
Two mees.
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We have mees, one moose, two me's.
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B
How can we have.
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Wait, I don't understand.
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Why in the woods?
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C
Why are this many people named Moose?
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And we'll have a moose at 6 o' clock as well.
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C
Well. Oh, you mean Daryl Johnston.
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B
Yes.
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A
Look at you. Let's go to already ready.
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C
Let's go to Moose in New Jersey. It was Moose. Why are you Moose?
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D
Yeah, it's a nickname. It's like the first half of my last name.
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B
Ah, what is your last name? If you don't mind us telling Mousseau. Okay, that makes sense.
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C
No, that makes sense. Yeah, sure.
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A
Yeah.
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C
We'll find out for the other moose what his deal is. What do you Got for us.
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D
So, I mean, I just wanted to weigh in on the Bills talk you guys were having earlier. I've been a lifelong Bills fan, unfortunately, for most of my life, and I think you guys are way off base, man. Like Sean McDermott and Josh Allen are the two best things to happen to this team in the past 20. My entire lifetime. It's not Sean McDermott's fault that the defense is a sieve when it comes to the run. And it's not Sean McDermott's fault that we don't draft wide receivers that well.
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A
Yeah, Keon Coleman was supposed to be special. He had a good week one, and then after that, he just acted up. He'd never. They can't keep him in line. That's a head coach issue. Right. And then Also, what is McDermott specialty, though? Moose. What's his specialty?
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D
Offense.
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A
No, no, no, no, no, no. Sean McDermott's known for defense.
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B
He's a defensive guy.
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That's why they keep bringing in offensive coordinators that have to be really good with offense.
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D
I. I think there's something there. You have. You're onto something with the, the. You said it before. Stefan Diggs and Coleman. When you, when you watch Coleman play, he seems disinterested in being on the field, which is. There's no right yet.
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A
And that's a Brandon Bean issue. Like, did you draft you.
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C
Did you draft character properly?
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Did you think you were getting? Because if this guy was a first round talent but fell because of character, those are all risks you take. You know, like, those are all issues that I think are collective with that organization right now. They're. I agree. They are swinging for the fences on some of these guys. Again, Stefan Diggs is the same problem. Diggs, you know, what happened in Minnesota, you know, like, like, we know that he doesn't stay well in certain places because he cannot behave himself. He gets mad, he gets diva ish. And you can't handle it. And they. They couldn't.
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D
But, yeah, I just.
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B
He's a good coach.
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D
Going to. Going to McCarthy, who can't manage a clock and will lose you the game in the last two minutes because he's not paying attention to what's going on or to Mike Tomlin, who. Who hasn't won a playoff game, like you said, in a decade. Listen, McDermott might not get us, might not have gotten us to the promised land yet, but, I mean, the guy has gone up against a juggernaut in the playoffs every year.
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B
Yeah. And now you're taking a step back this should be the time you pounce. The Chiefs are not the same team anymore. All right, Baltimore is good, but I don't know if they're a championship caliber team. Cincinnati has just lost their starting quarterback. New England's got a newbie at quarterback. This should be your time to pounce. And instead you're taking the step back that everybody else in the conference has taken back. Both things could be true. McDermott's the best coach they've had since Marv Levy, but he may have taken this team as far as they can go. And maybe he just needs somebody different in there. And you could have said the same things about Andy Reid. Why would Kansas City want him? He can't get over the top. He can't win the championship game. They, they rely too much on the run. Now you look at it and go, man, he took Donovan McNabb farther than probably anybody on the planet could. And now he's got Mahomes and he's winning Super Bowls and can't stop winning them. And it could be the same thing with McCarthy. Didn't. Did a nice job with, with Romo and Prescott, but now you give him Josh Allen again. I might, he might have been gone by Romo, but you know what I'm.
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C
Saying, like, it's a great take by you, though, Don. This is truly. This should be the year where, if you're a Bills fan, the only team you're thinking about beating is, is Philadelphia. Can I tell you though, this is their year.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. Well, here's how you know who are. The preseason, there was three teams tied for the equal, the shortest odds to win the Super Bowl.
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C
Casey, Buffalo and Philly.
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A
Well, you have one team, right? Buffalo plus 700. The other two teams, the defending champs, the Eagles.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And the Ravens. On Ravens, The Chiefs were plus 800. So they were right on the, on the door. But the Bills were the AFC team that everybody believed this was their year, this was the time. So this, you know that that's what's happening right now. Now you've said this, Peter, about them. I don't know why we're turning into a Buffalo Bill show, but we're doing it.
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C
Great New York team.
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A
Yeah, they are a great New York team. But if in the regular season they go through stuff but get it right in the postseason, they would flip. What normally does happen, Right?
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C
That's right.
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B
That's.
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C
That was what we talked about.
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A
So is, is, is fixing all the problems. Getting Coleman's head right in time for the postseason is all that Stuff still on the table. Yes, it is. An offensive line that's got to do a better job protecting their quarterback. Yes. And a defense that's got to be held, as a caller said correctly, stop the run. Yes. These are all things they got to fix. Can they. But right now, they're not going to win the division. And right now, you wouldn't put your money on them. Early in the season, I was ready to be all in on them. And then they started playing the way they've been playing the last couple of weeks. It doesn't make sense. And that's when. Why. My first instinct is to look at the head coach and wonder, is his message. Is it still resonating in that locker room?
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C
Let's go to. Let's go to Al in Jersey. Hey, Al.
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D
Hey.
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A
What's going on?
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D
What's going on, fellas? I think it's hilarious, the comparison that, you know, we're even comparing McCarthy to, you know, Mike Tomlin. And I say that only because we've won. We forget that the man's been to two Super Bowls, winning one. And when he did that, when he, when he was able to win, he was able to show you his abilities as a coach because he had a quarterback. Yeah. 10 years, no playoff wins.
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C
Yeah.
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D
Only been winning.
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A
Yeah.
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D
That's all. He's only been winning. But they haven't had a quarterback.
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A
And then.
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D
And then Roethlisberger.
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A
Up until about three years ago, no.
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D
Roethlisberger has been out of the league for, yeah, five, five to seven, if not more.
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B
Right. But towards the end of Rothfuck, McCarthy's got a ring.
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D
I understand that. Yeah, he's got, He's. Yeah, we understand he's got a ring, but once again, they have rings. When they have successful quarterbacks, they, they get on. They get on Mike Tomlin up in Pittsburgh. I'm not a Steelers fan. I'm a Niner fan, but they get on him a lot up in Pittsburgh about the style of play. Pittsburgh, I'm. I'm 46. Pittsburgh has played the same offense and defense for over 46 years. That's. That's their culture. They're not going to change. When, when, when, when, when Mike Tomlin tried to air it out with Roethlisberger, they got on him about that for having roethlisberg burger throw 40 plus passes a game. I don't think it's even close. And we put so much disrespect on Mike Tomlin's name because he's not considered an offense or Defensive specialist, as a business owner and prior, you know, a manager working for Fortune 500 company. I was always taught that the best leaders are the ones who are able to delegate, not the ones who are running around, you know, doing everything. So like, we can't, we can't continue to do this to him.
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C
Well, I agree with most of that, Al. I appreciate it.
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B
We always defended Tomlin to the Steeler fans.
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A
I'm just saying you wouldn't take him with the Giants if you take him.
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B
No, I would.
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A
Out of 10.
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B
But if I'm, if I'm looking to get over the hump like Buffalo, yeah, I would take McCarthy over Tomlin. Now, I think you improve with either of them. You know, if McCarthy says no, I want to go to New York, then I would take Tomlin. I'm just saying that if I'm Buffalo, I think I take McCarthy over Tomlin. But I would take both of the Vomer McDermott and I wouldn't let him go if I was the Steelers. But I could see maybe it's getting stale there.
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C
Well, let's see. As someone who wants to comment on Mike Tomlin and has strong feelings, Danny on Long island, big Steelers fan. What's up? Danny?
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D
Let's rephrase this segment as crossfire or point counterpoint because I am a Steelers fan and I watch every minute of every game. And let me just, let's just set the stage here. Mike Tomlin was given a Super bowl winning team and was not allowed to pick his own coordinators because he had a Hall of Fame defensive coordinator and a Hall of Fame quarterback in place. He did win a Super bowl the second year in 16 years. The last 16 years, they haven't been. They won one playoff game. Ten of those 16 years he had Ben Roethlisberger. When it came time to replace Ben Roethlisberger, he thought shorthand pick, small hands Pickens was the guy. He got up and cheered. That was a mistake. And then when that wasn't the guy, he had to bring Mason Rudolph back just to win three games in a row. And then he sent Mason Rudolph packing again to bring in Wilson.
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B
How?
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D
Another great decision. We've had one mental case, wide receiver after another for the past 15 years. How's George Pickens looking in Dallas? Antonio Brown?
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C
Well, he's playing pretty well.
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A
He's playing well, but he took, he took his. He and his boy went out in Vegas.
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B
He could hold his.
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D
So we have a never ending lady on Bell not showing up for walkthroughs day before The AFC championship. So there's been a lot of things there. We haven't won a playoff game in 10 years. So why are we replacing one coach who hasn't won a playoff game in 10 years with another coach who just can't get to the championship? I know Mike, Tom won a Super Bowl 16 years ago. That's what we're holding out for you, that that's why he's a saint. By the way, McGuffey beat him that year. So yes, the coach has to have a quarterback, but Mike Tomlin's time is over. We need to have a fresh start. We have a rookie quarterback we're to find out. I would not bring him in for the Giants because again, he's a defensive minded guy. He doesn't like to throw the ball over the middle. Mike, the game is designed to throw the ball over the middle. It's not 1975. You can't run the ball and get a 10 point lead in the first quarter and decided you're going to train the clock. That's the problem with the offensive mentality that he has. And he never got on Roethlisberger because Roethlisberger was there first. Ben Roethlisberger threw six touchdown passes in back to back games. He couldn't put a clamp on Rothburger.
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C
Isn't it possible though that the team frankly was just very good when they had Roethlisberger. Maybe would have had more titles if Tom Brady wasn't in the way and then ever since then they just haven't found the guy like most of the league. And even with that Danny, they still usually have a winning record and make the playoffs.
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D
I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but I'm not replay. I'll keep him for Tom for Steelers, but I'm certainly not from the Giants picking him up as if he's the end. I want some, I want some 28 year old guy who, you know, who's fighting kneecaps, who is because Tomlin's coming in as the father figure. They may not need the father figure. They need to piss a vinegar.
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B
Well, all I need is.
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A
It's a young roster though.
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B
How about having a coach that gets more out of a team than not? So like where the Giants are right now, I'm not thinking Super Bowl. I think can I just get to above 500? Can I, can I get the stain of this embarrassment over the last couple of years off of my uniform and function again? And I think Mike Tomlin can do that now. If I need a guy to win a Super bowl, no, I'm not going to pick him. That's why, you know, Buffalo, I think you go in a different direction if you're a team that needs to get over the hump. Giants just trying to get back in the game. Man, if this was soccer, they'd be relegated to another division. I'm trying to get back with the big boys and I think Tomlin can do that. I want to be the Steelers. The Steelers, they want to be the Kansas City. So I understand why they don't want Tomlin anymore. Because the Steelers are sick and tired of being a 9, 10 win team and getting bounced in the first round of the playoffs. That's my destiny right now. I want to be the team that wins nine, 10 games gets bounced in the first round of the playoffs.
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C
You're dreaming of that. I know.
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B
I'd like to get that step. I can't get to the second floor unless I at least get a couple of steps.
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C
I thought, Don, I was in for two years in a row of getting bounced in the playoffs. Guess what? Went right back to sucking. It's hard, you know. Why? Why? I think, I think I do. But I mean, listen.
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B
Okay, well, you're right.
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A
Something exposed there.
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C
Yeah.
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B
I mean, they did, including your phrasing, you know, they.
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A
Excuse me, they did.
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B
Listen, they, they, they, they did the procedure and found out that there's other problems.
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A
Right.
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B
Okay.
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C
Once they looked in, they went, oof. We got a few things.
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B
But the main problem still has to be taken care of and that you lost your quarterback. But your quarterback might have been able to be.
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C
No, I think if the quarterback plays, maybe we get to lose in the playoffs again. But to that point, the teams were on the outside forever. Yeah. All we dream of is getting to be the Steelers. And I, and I really do think, you know Danny's view of the Steelers. I get it. I think that without Tom Brady around, maybe the Steelers have one more ring in that period. And people feel a bit differently about the Tomlin run either way.
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Avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're.
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Not sure where to start.
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A
Thanks for Listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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C
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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A
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
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B
Last great Motley Crue song.
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C
So this.
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A
You actually like a Motley Crue song?
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C
Yeah. Is this. Is this pre stripper, Motley crude on.
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B
Yeah, the first two albums.
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A
The first out. Well, yeah.
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B
First album's amazing. And then Shout at the Devil, their second album, I think, is very, very good. Not. Not as good as the first, but very good. And then after everything after that is just basically stick a dollar in a waistband.
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A
That's all right, though.
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C
Sorry.
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B
Now wiggle it around like you just don't care. Which I'm not a fan of. It's stripper music, right.
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A
I had rubber pole. I love that. The Shout out to Devil album. And I bought a PO. I was like, 12, maybe 12. I bought a poster, right? Put it in my room. So, you know on the album cover is the pentagram.
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B
Yes.
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A
Right. So it's demonic. My mother saw it and freaked out. Thought I was getting into, like, devil music. Thought I was becoming, like, a Satanist. Like, you had to see this. It was. It. It was like. It almost tore the house apart.
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B
Oh, my God. Can you imagine?
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A
Because it was take down the poster. And I'm like, no. Like, the total rebel. Rebellious moment of a kid who refuses. And so what I would do is then I'd play it louder. Oh, man. It was bad.
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B
You know what?
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A
It's. My dad came home, and then it was. Then it got vicious.
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B
Because, listen, I get it. They didn't know any better, but it's laughable to think about that as Satan music.
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A
Oh, my God.
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B
Is actual Satan music like.
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A
Well, it was a symbol. It was symbol. Done. It was symbol.
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B
I know, but if you sign, I'm.
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A
Like, got some album covers. Devil.
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B
The devil would be embarrassed, right? The devil would lose all street cred if Motley Crue was representing, like, devil music. Right? Like, come on. No, People.
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C
People were big on jumping on the devil music. Now, whether you're interested in devil music or not, Motley crue celebrating the 20th anniversary of the Carnival of Sins at PNC Bank Arts Center.
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B
Oh, no.
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A
Don't.
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C
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B
I didn't know. I was just speaking.
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A
I didn't either.
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C
Which part? When you were talking about the server music.
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B
I mean, I didn't realize that that was the promo you're doing. Well, one of the host is basically saying, don't go, and then we're telling you to go.
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C
Well, by the way, the.
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B
The.
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C
Are you familiar with the work of the Carnival of Sins? They're not their 2000. Hold on. So that's their 2006 album.
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A
What's on that?
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C
Of nothing. You know, in 2006. Motley Crue.
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A
No.
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C
Good.
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B
Like I said, I was. I was out after Shot of the Devil.
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C
Listen, I know what one thing there's.
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A
Oh, this. This is like a greatest hit.
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C
Oh, is it? Okay. All right.
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A
Yeah. Shout out to Devil's number one on the cd. Cool. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's a. It's a live album, so it's a lot of their greatest hits. So it's all the. All the ones, you know, the good ones.
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C
Don, there are three facts you can bet on in life, death, taxes. And on this radio station, we will only give out tickets to country and old decrepit rock bands.
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B
Right?
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C
That is the only way it works.
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B
Old metal.
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C
Yeah, old metal. Country is it. There's no chance. We had an entire suite for years. Drake's in town. Kanye's in town. Every hot artist in town. Could we pull aside two tickets to say no? But guess what? George Strait is playing outside in Jones beach and we're giving out tricks.
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B
The chicks are back.
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C
By the way, I love the chicks. Now that's not fair.
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B
We're not saying that we didn't love these acts. I'm just saying it doesn't fit.
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C
It just doesn't.
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B
You want to get know the demographic of your audience, right?
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C
Yeah, and I. Exactly right. And I admit the chicks probably aren't in the demo, and I don't know if George Strait is. You're right. Now Dolly's a different story. We all know how we feel about the great Dolly. Let's go to Mark in Charlotte, who's got some concern over the Jackson Dart situation. What's up, Mark?
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D
Yeah, what's up, guys? So I'm in. I'm in northern North Carolina tonight for a high school playoff game. I'm coaching him second round of the playoffs. But on the concussion front, we have a quarterback, our starting quarterback, who has a history of concussions. At the age of 17, he has six documented concussions, which to me is pretty insane. We can't even Run the quarterback sneak with the risk of his head injuries. So with Jackson Dart, you know, what is the NFL stand. What does NFL stand for? Not for long. Between him and Scatterbo, I don't see them staying around for much longer if they're going to continue their style of play. But at the same time, you know, like Mike Kafka said, you don't want to put your players in a box. So it's, it's a give and take when it comes to that. But I think concussions are much more. The awareness around them is much more prevalent. I don't see it getting any better for the league. And you know, the quote unquote protocol, it's a little fakak the process. I'm not quite sure if the. I don't know if you ever taken an impact test. That's what it's called when you're evaluated for a concussion. That's part of the protocol. It is such a terrible process. It's like the worst pop quiz you've ever taken. It actually probably hurts your brain more just thinking about to get through the test rather than actually passing it. But the risk for Jackson Dart, I think moving forward, his career is going to be pretty short.
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B
Well, you hope not. And you hope also that this is just, hey, we're two and nine. Do we really want to send them out there against a really good football team on the turf, on the road? Let's just be care. Hopefully they're just erring on the side of caution, guys. And it's not that he's just not ready to play, but if he's not ready to play, and we're having a conversation this time next week that he's not playing against New England, that's going to be a problem. So I am going to try to err on the side of optimism and say because of their record and their situation, they're probably erring on the side of caution, that it's not that big of a deal. But when has being leaning towards the side of optimism with New York football worked out well?
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A
Don't he have to pass like he went through the protocol twice. Right. To get to clear for practice and they, they put a red. Right. It was a red jersey.
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B
Yes.
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A
So he didn't. He didn't clear clearly.
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B
Yeah, yeah. So, but listen, I'm just saying that it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a problem, but you can't rule it out. Missing two games because of a concussion guy, a guy that's been in the tent Four times. That's. That's an issue now. He'll get better as he gets older, and he'll realize, I gotta. I gotta protect myself a little bit more. But how much does that take him away from his game? That's why I threw out RG3 Peter.
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C
Right.
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B
Is that even though this style of play is not conducive to him being around a long time, and now he's not the same player, and he didn't turn out to be the same player.
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C
And how do you. And how do you feel, Don, about Jackson Darts glasses that always sort of look like he's doing cosplay Glasses?
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B
You got a problem with the glasses? I don't know. You're more of a style guy than I am.
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C
No, no, it's just. It's maybe the real. I just can't tell. Does the man need glasses or they. I'm trying to look. It's like when Homer Simpson wears glasses. You know what I'm saying? Like, are they. Do they really fix your eyes, or is this a statement?
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A
He just. It's his sty. Right? Like, just let him.
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C
Let him live.
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A
Let him live. I. You and I both, though, did say, like, after a bad loss at the podium, you probably don't need to put the costume on, right? That you can just go team issue there and just say what you got to say, then go back to locker room and then put on your. Your outfit.
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B
Listen, I.
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C
What my true feelings on Jackson Dart. I keep to myself because I'm a terrible sports talk host. No, it's because I don't like raining on the parade of Giants fans. You know, I think we've gotten very happy. Go lucky with the sentence. The Giants have found their quarterback. I think that's been, like, wildly overstated this entire season. I think he's. I think he's absolutely yet to prove that. I think he's shown he has a lot of potential, and we still have not seen whether, in fact, he's the guy. And then right when we were on the verge of finding out if he's the guy, Don, we've lost him for two straight games. And I just find it funny that, like, so many people we talk to, whether it's Greeny, I mean, experts who obviously know the game better than me, they've seen enough. Like, he is the guy. Don, do you feel that at this point?
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B
Well, there's no way to say that a guy's the guy this early. Haven't even played a full season yet.
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C
And he didn't Start the season very small sample size.
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B
But for that small, small sample size, I think he checked a lot of boxes where you could, you could comfortably say that they found at least the, potentially the, the potential of the next guy.
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C
But people jumped way past that. They, they jumped right to, they already have the quarterback. It's a wrap. He's, he's, you know, he's 2 and 5 as a starter so far. 1400 yards, 10 touchdowns, three picks. Shown a lot of moxie. We've seen that. But I don't know, I was like, I was still on the verge of deciding. That's why I think the rest of the season is so important. Like, you do really want to see more. And Alan, you've been big on this all year. You really want to see more from Jackson Dart.
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A
You want to see it, but you also know that the weapons are fewer with this team now. So how much are you really able to decipher what he's becoming or his improvement without seeing him? Especially without Malik Neighbors?
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C
I mean, that's, that's a brutal, brutal.
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A
At least the, at least the line's been better. I, I, I, But I do think, though, Peter, I know what you're saying, and obviously in one year, you're not going to know because C.J. stroud's a great example. Your guy's a great example. We have seen in the league where a guy will have a really good debut and then once the league figures you out, then that's when it's how. All right. How can you process.
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C
But my point is what they're doing. But my point is.
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B
But just.
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C
And we got to take a break. We can discuss this more. My point is he didn't show us even the CJ Stroud or Jaden Daniels year, not by a long shot. It wasn't that. He has not done that on either count.
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A
Listen, some of the games that they, they should have won are because of him. He should have won because I should have.
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C
Should have that should have in 250 get you on the train.
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A
Yeah, but didn't. Because the defense sucked. Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.
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C
I don't want to know how the.
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A
Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter, weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.