C (1:21)

No, I'm just saying, you talk it up. Right? All right, let's go out there, guys. Let's get something going here. Let's get. Let's have a clean game. And then for before we snap, there's.

B (1:29)

A false start game one, false start, first place.

C (1:33)

And you know what? You know, that's good. That's going to be the name of this era of football in New York. False start.

B (1:37)

You know what, Isn't it a good start, though, when you think about the show? Doesn't it make sense?

A (1:41)

Actually, false start is a great name when you consider the fact that you know what? We're in, we're in the era of false start. Here's why.03 for both football teams. 3rd time in the last 6 years.

C (1:54)

3Rd time.

A (1:55)

3Rd time in the last six years that both teams haven't won a game. Three weeks into the season. Both teams, we have two teams, and neither one of them for three out of the last six years can do anything.

C (2:07)

And you know what? And what's happening is both of them are like taking turns for the moral victory. Moral victory. Monday, as Alan Hahn dubbed it in our text thread. Where last week it was the Giants. All they play Hong with one of the, we thought a good team and turns out the Cowboys aren't very good and they went all the way to the last second of overtime to lose moral victory. Week one, the jets had the moral victory. Now yesterday they had the moral victory because of the moral victory, loss or whatever. The jets, the jets because of the fact that they came back from three scores down. They got the block.

A (2:39)

Never stopped fighting, Don. Never stopped fighting professionals.

B (2:44)

When the game ended, they were like on. Aaron Glenn has to feel good about that fourth quarter, but they come up short.

C (2:50)

We're going to start with the Giants because they were the last team to stink. All right, but since you brought it up and we will get to it coming up. But they never gave you any indication, Peter, it was going to be anything but this to start the season. The jets never opened their mouths. They never gave you any indication this season was going to be any good. They let go of Aaron Rodgers, they signed Justin Fields. They never gave you any indication that this was anything other than a coach getting his feet wet. This season it was the fans going, I think they win seven, eight games. Oh, look at the talent. We found out they don't have a lot of talent. Okay, stop with the sauce gardener stuff. Stop. He's a good kid. He's a good ball player. He's not great. He's not. And I told you, wait till the end of the season to sign him because you know what? If his season continues to stink, you're going to wish you didn't give him the contract. But it's still early enough in the season. But this is what the jets were supposed to be about, Peter. Don't give any expectations. Let the coach get his feet wet. It's all about, you know, ships turn slow, your home wasn't built in a day. All the cliches about this team. So yeah, when you get something like a block kick, an exciting thing, you. When you almost win, you're going to clap because that's what the jets are about this year. Wasn't anything about this year. No expectations at all. If you put any expectations on them, that's on you. So I'm not surprised that Aaron Glenn's clapping after a loss because there are moral victories in jets camp because it's new, it's fresh. He's not losing his job. But on the other side of the stadium, you've got a death knell. It's dead man walking. Every game that's played, it's A step closer to Dable being out of a job. Shane may save it because there is talent on this Giants team. There is. It's just not being coached. So right now and you guys can jump me if you want if I had to make a decision right now Joe Shane stays. Dable and his coaching staff goes because I watched a game last night that was very winnable. The Chiefs are not good and they had talent and they've got players. They just don't know how to coach them. Tell me I'm wrong.

A (5:01)

You're not wrong.

B (5:03)

You're not wrong.

A (5:03)

You're not wrong. This is not a well coached team. It's clear. It's also not a very smart team. Neither one of them by the way.

C (5:11)

Both football teams and that's coaching.

A (5:13)

They really don't invest a lot in smart players. But you're supposed to have a coach coach you up. You also have to have an understand like I think the thing that's really starting to hurt Dable is his inability to adjust. His inability to not only adjust to go into a game and be shocked about how they're covering your receivers and what they're doing. You know what I mean? Like they want you to run the football and they and Malik neighbors like how would just in you're an offensive coach in your brain you have to say to yourself you know Malik neighbors. I haven't seen him yet. It's already second quarter. We probably need to get him going right?

C (5:52)

Yeah.

A (5:52)

That didn't happen until the fourth quarter. These are the things to me that are troubling and you know what really scares me now because you can start hearing it, you heard it last night and the and the writers are on it and they should be but now you're in that desperate place of out of one side of his mouth. Brian Dable is trying to tell you Jackson darts not ready yet.

B (6:16)

We're working with other side saving and trying to save his job.

A (6:18)

The other side of his mouth is saying however we have to think about it because it's all we got left. It's the only bullet left.

B (6:27)

No, it's all he has left.

A (6:28)

Well yeah but if I'm the organization and I wonder if upstairs they're starting to talk about it too because they're getting desperate at 0 and 3. We need a spark something Jackson, this is a mistake. If you don't believe he's ready don't play him.

C (6:47)

This is why you need John Mara to step in and go right now.

A (6:52)

I worry about this internally. Okay.

C (6:54)

Not he doesn't have to have a press conference but internally, right, you go to Joe Shane and says you're staying and right now we're evaluating Dable and if you don't think he's ready to play, don't play him. Because if everything's collaborative, which is in sports now, if Dable wants to play him and Shayna Mara don't, then he doesn't play. But if you've got a general manager and a head coach both desperate to save their jobs, then they're all going to be on the same page to play them to try to save their job. If Shane knows he's got a job and again I'll be wrong. 1-800-919-3776 I know his 22 draft wasn't great. I know he let Saquon Barkley go. I know Daniel Jones is lighting it up in Indianapolis. But I looked at that game last night and I saw some world class players that are not good enough to win a championship but certainly good enough to win winnable games.

A (7:45)

They're good enough to be part of.

C (7:47)

One, good enough to be better than Owen. 3.

B (7:48)

Peter so let me, let me throw something at you. Two things, one another, another great moment for your Joe Shane argument obviously is how Cam Scatterable played yesterday. Right? So that's another great pickup that fans can get excited about. But here's my question for you guys. You have 53 men on the roster and we, I'm sure if we were to go through that roster we would find a player or two who was suited, who was dressed last night that was used on three special teams plays and they could make the football argument why they needed them. You're going to tell me that would have been more valuable than dressing three quarterbacks? Why not dress three quarterbacks Last night Russell Wilson did not have it. He was throw the ball guys. The ball was up for grabs on offensive plays. He didn't. I'm not saying it was just Russell Wilson, but there was a lot of the football game last night where he wasn't giving them a good chance to win and you can't play the kid in that situation. Well, good thing you have another quarterback who's wearing a suit.

C (8:43)

I don't get it. Well you know what, you know what I felt honestly, maybe not that equivalent but close in the red zone late in the game on the third and five, the quarterback sneak. Yeah, that felt like Judge taking a knee a few years ago at the goal line. Like that felt like a give up play.

A (9:00)

Did you See some of the throws that Rush had to the end zone.

C (9:03)

No, you can't play.

A (9:04)

Like, there was a couple where he's like, I don't want to get hit. I don't get hit. Like. Like, there was a couple of business decisions we like to say. I didn't like. I don't like to look at any of that. But like I said, if he's giving you every indication that unless it's against a really bad secondary so your wide receivers get open, he can just throw up moon balls. You're not. He. He's not going to run your offense the way you need to run. You got to go to somebody else. I'm. I am really worried that they will prematurely go to dart, and then it really will spin the wrong way. But you said something done like, Peter, we've paid attention enough to the Giants over the years to know that, look, a lot of the issues with both the football team start at the top. And you said, don, if he goes and tells Joe Shane, like, you know, you're fine, don't let this guy play. How do you know that he's not sitting upstairs going, we got to play the kid. We got to put the kid. And we need a boost. We need something. And he's the one that's kind of pushing that agenda of, well, how soon can you get him ready? Don't you think we need him? Can you have, like, enough of a play sheet, a couple of pages out of the book that he could give you so you could be capable and we'll bring him along as we go. How close is he? Shouldn't he be close by now? Some teams are playing rookie quarterbacks right out of the gate. How come you don't have him ready? I don't want that. Because that kind of pressure, you know what happens? Well, owner wants to play him. We got to play him. So I don't know the answer to that, but that would worry me.

B (10:31)

Now, you guys don't think there's a world in which, for example, let. Let. Don. Let's play out your scenario, which you. Which you hope is happening. The communications happening upstairs, and they're like, we're not playing him. The team's not there yet. Maybe later, maybe. Maybe after the buy, whenever. It's not now.

A (10:46)

Mm.

B (10:46)

Is there a world where you step back this week and go, hey, oh, we're going to go ahead and go with Jameis Winston this week, and Russell's going to be in street clothes. Jackson will still be the backup.

C (10:55)

Why not? If you're making business decisions.

B (10:57)

Why keep trotting this guy out? Guys, he, he's not playing high level football. It's not right. Guys. Malik Neighbors should not be in the situation he's in. They are wasting talented players with this quarterback.

A (11:08)

Wanda Robinson also has talent. Yeah, that's using him.

C (11:12)

I, but I need. Listen, I'm not going to sit here and defend Russell Wilson. Those throws were disgusting. But again, red zone, can't do anything. But yet the quarterback that couldn't do anything in the red zone against Washington couldn't do anything in the red zone against Kansas City is thrown for 450 yards against Dallas. Now, I realize Dallas stinks.

B (11:29)

I mean, you watch yesterday, I get it, they stink.

C (11:31)

But boy, it's amazing that he was able to do what he did. So.

B (11:37)

But don't forget how it ended, Don.

C (11:38)

No, I know how it ended. With a backwards pass at a ridiculous interception that we saw again, basically a glorified punt. Same thing. I'm just going to throw it up and hope Neighbors gets it. But you're giving Neighbors no chance. All I know is, is I sent to the thread last night, Kansas City's first drive out of the half completely adjust. Move right down the field and I text everybody. I said that's good coaching. They went to the, they went and used the 18 minutes at the half or whatever it is. Let's adjust. We're now what we're trying to do isn't working. They adjust, they march right down the field. All of a sudden Kansas City's got it figured out what adjustments to the Giants make coming out of the app. Nothing. Zero. Because believe me, when you look at Kansas City's coaching staff to the Giants, it's men against boys. Now, there's not every matchup that Dable and his coaching staff are going to look embarrassed because there's a lot of bad coaching in the NFL. But when you go up against superior coaching like you have in Washington right now. Right, Peter? Like what you have in Kansas City when you don't have in Dallas right now, let's be honest, you know, that's how it's gonna look. And I just keep circling back again. If you want to let Shane go, I get it. There's enough evidence to say he may not be the greatest general manager in the world. But I just looked. I heard Chris Collinsworth say this might be the best pass rush in the NFL. I look at Neighbors, everybody believes he is a world class talent scatterboot. Getting, getting things done. And yet again, one touchdown, nothing in the red zone. Come on, man. I just keep circling back the same answer over and over again. They are poorly coached.

A (13:11)

The defense is good enough. And you know, you think about the Giants getting Abdul Carter one of the best player, maybe arguably the best player available in the draft. Right. As far as talent at his position and him with Burns. Thibodeau has jumped off the page. Obviously. Dexter Lawrence is still working his way back into into game shape, but he still is impactful. They have a really good front and they're tough. This game was not lost on defense, even though there were plays later.

C (13:44)

Defensively, you're not getting support offense, you're on the field.

A (13:48)

Seven games since last season, they haven't gotten the 10 points. 10 points.

C (13:52)

That's amazing.

B (13:53)

And Don, that's such a.

A (13:54)

This is not about defense.

B (13:55)

It's exactly. And it's such a good point because think about how deflating it is for that defense. I know the Chiefs haven't been great yet this year, but you got the world champs at nine points in the third quarter. I'm sorry. Your defense should feel pretty good about that. But when they have no hope that you're going to do anything, eventually things start to happen.

A (14:13)

Well, here's your other stat. 1 for 10 on third down. 1 for 10 on third. Like how do you give yourself, how do you give your defense a chance to take a breath? You can't one for 10. You can't convert more than one.

C (14:27)

Third down, drop a play, your play, chuck it down field and hope neighbors climbs over somebody. That's not a play. Yeah, that. You know when you do that, when it's 4th and 10 at the end of the game, you got no choice. But if that's your game plan, that's not good. No, it's bad.

A (14:43)

And then there's the kick.

C (14:44)

Really bad.

A (14:45)

The Graham Canal of it all.

C (14:47)

I mean, I don't know who to blame for that.

A (14:48)

Never heard this happen once, let alone twice to the same coaching staff. It's unreal. But this, these are. There's so many things that pile up that make it difficult when you're in that locker room to maintain any type of confidence, belief, all that stuff. Right. And so all you have left now is throw in dart and hope it turns into linsanity. It's all like you're looking for something to spark the room.

B (15:16)

You mean a great three weeks and then never see him again?

A (15:18)

Well, who knows? Well, that's the fear of course, is always. You go to a young quarterback like this, he gives you A buzz. And then two, two games later, he's out.

C (15:24)

But, but, but in the last two weeks, they've brought him in. How many different plays? Four or five plays.

A (15:29)

Always a running play.

C (15:30)

Always a running play. So I listen, do I think Dable's a good coach? No. Do I think he's a sadist? No. He's not going to put a quarterback that's not ready in. He may try to rush the process a little bit, but clearly right now they don't think he's ready. And there's also no clear avenue to put him in because everybody points to that Saints game. Well, then four days later, you're playing the Eagles. Come on. You know, so.

A (15:57)

Yeah, but you could look at it as get your feet wet, get into rhythm against the Saints team. That's not good. And then you have a week to get into prepared because he's going to have to play teams like the Eagles at some point.

B (16:09)

It's going to be a real team one day, whether it's the Eagles or someone else.

A (16:11)

Right. You're not giving him a baptism by fire. So instead you, you let him have that. Ease him in against the team that even if they. Even if you lose the game. And it would be an abomination if you did just let him. He's got to find some type of rhythm and success, a feeling of, okay, I got this, I timed it up. I feel pretty good. And then you go up against that Eagles defense, which, you know, your offensive line's got to hold up by then. Andrew Thomas is getting stronger and stronger.

C (16:35)

Remember, he was not beaten once in the. In 25% of the plays he was in last.

A (16:40)

Him versus Chris Jones. Yeah, he looked pretty good. He handled Chris Jones. So I just think the Saints game is the game if you have to.

C (16:49)

Do it early, if you have to.

B (16:51)

Do it early, if it's early, side.

C (16:52)

But you can't convince me out in a blowout game against the Chargers where he's in just handing the ball off, that you're all of a sudden going to go from that to now he's starting an NFL game. Like, bring him in, have him throw the ball a little bit against the Chargers, right. If you bring him in the four or five plays, you throw the ball downfield.

A (17:12)

Here's what you bring.

C (17:12)

Don't have seven, eight play where he never did anything but hand the ball off or run himself.

A (17:18)

Yeah, they're options.

C (17:19)

And then all of a sudden next week you're going to start.

A (17:21)

Here's what happens. Like again, last Night, the crowd's booing when he comes off the field. They were excited when he came out to do those, you know, the cameo plays. But the crowd wants him in. But at 9, 6, you're not putting them in because it's still a winnable game. Like, you're not putting him in in that situation. Right. You're putting him in. If you're losing 20 to 3 in the fourth quarter to the, to the Chargers, then you put them in.

B (17:44)

I mean, like, that's when you do it. Once they're down two scores against the Chiefs last night, you could argue it.

A (17:50)

Was too late, though. It was too. You don't do it there.

B (17:52)

Well, what time? How much was left?

A (17:54)

There wasn't much time left. It was fourth quarter.

B (17:57)

I could argue, guys, that if you're going to do it anytime soon, I wouldn't have hated it last night, even in a close game, because the expectation for the crowd is still. You're going to lose to the Chiefs. No one's going to be upset if you're not able to win that game. I just, I think it's really hard to put your players in a position where they don't feel there's a chance to win. And I just feel like late in that game, guys, the offense did not think they had a chance to win.

C (18:20)

Well, especially when you've got Wilson, quarterback, sneaker, 35. And then, you know, in, in the red zone, like throwing. Throwing the ball into the tunnel like that, too.

A (18:33)

That was unreal. It was six minutes to go when they got that last touchdown to go up 22,9. It was so.

B (18:38)

Yeah, now that's a bit too late.

A (18:40)

Six minutes ago, I don't know.

B (18:41)

You give them the whole fourth quarter.

A (18:42)

Yeah, do it. Yeah, yeah. Like. Like again, if you're getting smoked by the Chargers, then in the second half, you make.

B (18:49)

Okay, but what if they're not getting smoked? What if it's the same thing? The defense is keeping them close and Wilson's doing nothing.

A (18:55)

That's fair point.

B (18:56)

I, I think it's. But, Don, fair point.

A (18:59)

You got to do it at halftime, don't you think? Halftime, not like just randomly in the middle of a third quarter.

B (19:02)

This is the point. I was made that. Allen, you and I were both making this a month ago. If you're not going to put him in when the starter is either hurt or ineffective, then Winston should be suited up, not him, because he's got to be able to go in the game.

C (19:16)

Because all Wilson has to do is, you know, miss a Couple of snaps and now he's your starting quarterback. But if you're not even allowing him to throw the football ever, I just can't imagine that now all of a sudden he's going to start in an NFL game. So let's see what happens against the Chargers. I suspect they're going to lose the game.

A (19:33)

A dangerous place, man.

C (19:34)

Oh, they're all.

A (19:35)

But you go too soon. But here's the thing. Overwhelmed now. He's. You don't want to do this. If, if, if Dale, who after the game said, we're working with him, we're getting him ready. He's using phrases like we're getting him ready. Which A is telling you, yes, we know we got to get them at some point and we're trying to get him there and he's not. But we don't. If he says we're getting him ready, that means he's not yet ready in their eyes.

C (19:58)

Well, this was dable after the game on the fans booing the offense and wanting Dart to play.

B (20:03)

Look, Jackson's progressing well.

C (20:04)

We'll continue to work with him. You know, I got a lot of confidence in him, his development that he's had, and that's what we'll continue to do. I'd be born too, to be honest with you, in terms of not being good enough, not scoring, not finishing. I understand that. That's. That's the nature of it.

A (20:19)

So you hear a choice of words that he's using. There is telling you, we're in the process, but we're not there yet. But other people will tell you that if you ask anybody inside the organization, from the coaching staff to the front office, there is a collective belief that Dart is the guy, that there's. There's a lot about him that everybody loves and is excited about. That's why I think they're all being really cautious, that they don't want to blow, they don't want to ruin this. And that's why you're at that point. Fans are going to do this. Fans are going to yell and scream. They're going to chant for him as they should. But as an organization, you can't do it. You can't make a decision like this.

C (20:54)

Right.

A (20:55)

Just because you want to pacify the fans.

C (20:56)

Right. But that decision has to be made by the people that are going to be here while Dart plays in the future, not a guy that's hanging on by a thread.

A (21:04)

Yeah, you hope so, because.

C (21:06)

But if you've got Guy, and this is why I argued, you should have either fired him or given him a contract extension. Because if you gave them a contract extension, then you can convince, hey, it doesn't matter what we do this year. Doesn't matter what Aaron Glenn does this year. He's not going anywhere if you're just giving those guys a contract extension. As foolish as it would have looked after a three win season. You're saying, I believe in them. They're going to be here, they're going to fix our offense and we're going to draft Dart and we're going to have a great future. But now you're gonna have two guys desperate to be able to save their jobs because they're not gonna be in that position next year working in the last year of their contract. So it's either put up or shut up now. So what do you think they're gonna do? Try to save their ass. And that's not what the organization as a whole wants to see. Because you don't want to put a kid in that's not ready. You know, you're not gonna bring out. You're not gonna debut your Maserati out of the garage during a blizzard. That's not when you want to do it. You want to make sure that it's at the right time where this kid can excel and be the best that he can be. And it sounds like he's not ready. So we can hypothetically say, well, play him in the second half against the Chargers. Play him against the Saint. If he's not ready, he's not ready.

A (22:09)

Yeah.

C (22:10)

And if all of a sudden he's ready and it's at Philadelphia, okay, then let's do it. So it's really got to be about when he's ready. Not the soft part of the schedule. Not trying to save somebody's job.

A (22:20)

And not because the fans want it. Not because other people in the media are starting to talk about it, because the writers are asking for it.

C (22:26)

I'm a fan.

A (22:27)

Can't worry about it.

C (22:28)

I hate to say this, fans are irrelevant in this decision. I'm sorry. You can boo. I get it. You pay the money. But I can't let you influence my decision. I can't rush this kid because the guy in section 312 wants to see good football.

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A (24:47)

No, we've had many moments like never before. It was a great first week. We got a good crowd in there already watching on YouTube. And I'll tell you what fellas, for me it was a hell of a weekend for us as a show.

B (24:59)

Go ahead.

A (24:59)

We're not on the air, but I've got Peter on SportsCenter. I've got Peter part of Wrestlepalooza on ESPN all over the place. And what a big event. That was a huge doing for espn. And little birdie told me, by the way, Peter, like some some of the suits very happy with your work. And so you've left a good impression just there. First impressions are always important. And there you were, tie or no tie, it still looked good. So we had that going on Friday and Saturday. And then of course Don Juan Lagreca, the first opportunity to hear him calling a devil's Game on MSG with Ken Danico and Bryce Salvador and It was a preseason game. It was Devils, Rangers. The Devils didn't play, really, any of their guys.

C (25:45)

No.

B (25:46)

But I don't even know if I knew preseason existed until yesterday, Allen. But I was in.

A (25:50)

We were all in. So I will just simply say this. And I said this to Don privately, Peter. It felt like just watching it. And I've been watching hockey my whole life. It was like, oh, he's been doing this for 10 years. If you didn't know Don had just gotten hired, you would think this guy's been the voice of the Devils for a decade. Easy. Because he was so comfortable. Oh, yeah, he was. It just. It flowed from him so easily, the way he moved the conversation. Because preseason games are hard to do because you know you're not really going to be on every play. You've got to know about the players. Most of them. You don't know who they are. They're all going to. Probably a lot of them are going to be in the ahl. They'll be in the minors. Some of them will be sent back to their junior teams, whatever it is. And here's Don just moving conversations between Dano and Bryce. And it just was a very comfortable, enjoyable broadcast, despite the fact that the Devil's only scored one goal.

B (26:42)

Well, I was gonna say everything I saw was exactly what Allen just said. It felt like he'd been there a million years. Him and Danico obviously have the personal relationship, and it shows and how they do it. It was basically perfect. Once you got past the troubling handshake situation at the top of the show, Don has. There's something going on with Don. And handshakes. We didn't. Don, we never knew this was a thing for you, but high fives and handshakes appear to be something we need to work on.

C (27:13)

Well, the problem is Barbara couldn't see, unfortunately, at that stage of her life. Yeah, that's right. And Danico didn't know I was gonna do it. I wasn't going to do it, but it just felt like it was a natural thing, and we don't have a lot of room there. He just didn't see it.

B (27:29)

Right. It was Edith, by the way. Not Barbara.

A (27:31)

Edith.

B (27:31)

The great Edith.

A (27:32)

Right.

C (27:33)

I'm sorry. She's a charm. Yeah. So you can't.

A (27:37)

You couldn't just do the dap. You couldn't just do it like, hey, I don't know.

C (27:41)

Moment. It was just something I was feeling. I just need one of our.

B (27:44)

I need one of our great listeners to just do a side by Side slow mo of the Edith and the Danico, the handshake gate. But by the way, if you're going to have a flub, have it be a relevant handshake on television, because then the broadcast was just, hey, let's do this too.

A (27:59)

Opening night. Yeah, let's not even bother. Straight up. Just no handshake, no nothing.

B (28:05)

Just run it back and do the same thing. No making your tradition.

C (28:08)

Yeah, that could be the thing that.

B (28:09)

You always miss the handshake.

C (28:11)

Always miss the handshake. Well, they lost, so we don't want to. We don't want to do anything after a loss.

B (28:15)

Was it fun, though, Don?

C (28:15)

No, it's fun. It was just. There's less to do when it's television. Like on radio, you've got to describe everything, but it's on television.

B (28:23)

How hard was that to get used to? Because I tune in on the third period because I don't want to say, I don't want to upset people like Tessa, but I root for a good franchise. And so they were just, you know, it was boring in the second half, so I said, let me go check out my boy Don. And I turned on the game.

A (28:39)

Don.

B (28:39)

And anytime I've turned on a Don Lagreca hockey broadcast, all I hear is wall to wall Don. And in this case, you know, obviously it's a meaningless game, so I'm sure there's even more room for talking. But it was interesting because Daniko's, like, telling stories, talking about things inside the team. That must have taken some getting used to for you, who's used to calling everything when it's radio.

C (29:01)

Yeah. So that's, that's why you have the preseason, right? That I don't have to get overly descriptive, but I've also got to work those guys in. And it's good because it's almost like a glorified talk show when it's a pregame. See, you want to talk about.

A (29:14)

Peter and I have prepared you with this whole year since you have taken over the. The host duties. Peter and I have prepared you for this moment.

B (29:21)

That's right.

A (29:21)

You're welcome.

C (29:22)

Yeah. By the way, Peter, thank you.

A (29:25)

In your situation, what was. What was just being on the. That. That big of a broadcast for espn. What was that like?

B (29:31)

Thank you for asking, Alan. Honestly.

A (29:34)

Well, had to be a dream moment for you. This is a mothership.

B (29:39)

No, I'm being sincere. I was more. I was a little more nervous for it than I expected because even though in my brain I'm always quarterback, one can do Every job I'm handed, I got you. But the reality is, right before I did it, one of my friends, like, well, how. How, like, many times have you, like, been the lead host where they're in your ear and you're running the show? I was, like, not a handful of times in my entire career. And as. As Don got to find out firsthand, and Alan has many times before, when you're in that seat on television, there's a lot happening in your ear. There's a. There's a whole show to run. And so it's that on top of the things you're normally thinking about. So to answer your question, it was. It was exciting to be nervous. You know, radio. I've been in radio for 20 years. I don't get nervous for radio broadcast. It was fun to be, like, sitting there, pumped up, ready to go, and then it felt really, really good. And honestly, the. The vibes I got when I went back and watched the show, because it re. Aired about 150 times between Friday and Saturday afternoon, and it was. Guys, it was like. It was like the Case show was back on. All I was getting was text messages of people seeing me silently in a box bar across the country. And when I went back and watched it, I thought the first segment, I yelled way too much, like I was hyping up a WWE show that was about to start. But once I settled in, I gotta be honest, I thought we killed it. And. And I. Like I mentioned you guys on Friday, Tyrese Halliburton, that guy is a stud.

A (31:02)

I'm good.

B (31:03)

9. I wanted to drag him on the air. I wanted to drag him on the air with us because, like, the funny thing is. And actually, I kind of get this vibe from Knicks fans already. I almost feel like the way people hate on Tyrese Halliburton, it's almost different than Trey Young. Like, the Trey Young hate is, like. It's really real and visceral.

A (31:23)

Visceral.

B (31:24)

With Tyrese, it's almost like, you know, he's a good dude, but he is playing the part of that guy.

A (31:30)

Yeah.

B (31:30)

And he's really good at it. So it was a great weekend.

A (31:33)

We should get him on. I completely agree. If we can find a way to get him on the show, he has nothing to do all season.

B (31:38)

Yeah. By the way, very, very.

A (31:40)

We should get them on, because here's. Here's a secret nobody likes to hear. He, Brunson and Hart, they have a group chat like they're. They're buddies.

B (31:47)

Oh, yeah.

A (31:48)

So it's not like the real. Like Patrick Ewing and Michael Jordan were good friends, right? Even though there was a huge rivalry between they were friends. So while fans got into it, the players don't feel it nearly as much. But anyways, like, I'm proud of both of you. I did cut the grass this weekend, so I know what we're proud of you, buddy. Grass looks so good when I was done.

B (32:09)

Right back at you.

A (32:09)

But trust me, in a couple of weeks, I'll be busy, too. But it was great for our show to see all the versatility and to see you guys shine. So I wanted to make sure you guys got attention because neither one of you would have brought it up on your own.

C (32:20)

Well, I appreciate that. I digress, believe me.

B (32:22)

Thanks, buddy.

C (32:23)

And it'll all start hitting the fan for you.

A (32:25)

Next week is media day.

C (32:27)

Next week, it's all happening. And, boy, a lot of people are all of a sudden looking forward to the Knicks. You thought maybe football carry them through. So let's dive into the calls at 1-800-919-3776. Let's start it off with with Mark. He's down in Charlotte. You're on. Don Hanna.

B (32:43)

Roseberg.

C (32:43)

What's up, Mark?

D (32:45)

Hey, boys. How you doing?

C (32:47)

Good, man, good.

D (32:49)

Listen, props to you, Don, on a nice introduction to the hockey season and you're announcing for the Devil, so congratulations on that.

C (32:57)

Thanks, man.

D (32:59)

I do agree with you, Don, on, you know, the coaching decision with. With Dable to bring him back. If you're going to bring him back. He had to give him an extension. So I'm with you on that. But don't you guys think that Jackson Dart is ready now? I think it's kind of obvious that he's ready.

C (33:16)

How can you say that?

D (33:18)

Because of what we saw in the preseason.

C (33:21)

That's the problem, Mark. He didn't play with number ones. He didn't play against number one.

A (33:24)

Preseason is an IG filter.

C (33:26)

He's not thrown one pass in a regular season game. He's been out there, what, like four or five, six times and running, handing the ball off. You might be right, Mark. He might be ready. But don't base it off of the preseason. You got to base it off of what they're watching in practice and how they feel. He's digesting the the offense, which is very vanilla on both sides in the preseason. So I get what you're saying, man, but we don't know for a fact that he's ready.

D (33:53)

That's fair. That's fair. And I have Nothing to say to that, honestly. That's a fair point. But my last point is the future of Dart, you know, with the pressure to put him in just to save their jobs. When you look at the future, it doesn't look bright for Dart in New York, specifically if we both want Dable fired, because I'm with you, I think the coaching is the issue. And if we want Dable fired, that hurts our chances of having Dart with next regime that comes in. We're going to have to draft another quarterback. Unless somehow Joe Shane can say that's.

A (34:25)

The only way, can't draft another quarter.

C (34:28)

Well, I mean, I got to give.

A (34:28)

This kid a chance.

C (34:29)

Well, what Mark is saying is, and thank you for the call that if you bring in another coach, I don't like Dart, I want to bring in my own guy.

A (34:35)

Well, you're not bringing in a coach that says I don't like Dart. You're bringing in a coach that's like, I want to work with that kid.

C (34:39)

Right.

A (34:39)

Like that's the, that's the thing is you're hoping. And this is where I know this is the dirty part of sports because we all believe that everything's on the up and up. We know it's not. You get to about the middle of the season and you know this is going the wrong way and you know we're probably going to make a coaching change. You start having some people find out like who, who's, who's interested, who'd be interested in this job, who wants to coach this kid, who sees something in him that they think they could get the most out of him. Right. You've got to find your Ben Johnson. That's what you got to find. Somebody that will look at the quarterback you have if you're making this move and say, I could fix him, I can make him right. Because there was once upon a time Brian Dabel looked at Daniel Jones and said, I could fix him, I could get him right.

C (35:21)

See?

A (35:22)

And it didn't happen. What I. Oh, by the way, how's Daniel Jones looking?

C (35:24)

I hear what you're saying, but I think that's the problem sometimes in the NFL is specifically hiring a head coach for a specific reason instead of hiring him because you think he's a really good head coach. Right. They brought in Shermer because all Shermer could work magic with Eli and it didn't work. Oh, let's, let's bring in Dable. Dable will be able to work with Daniel Jones.

A (35:47)

You make a good point.

C (35:48)

I want a Guy that can coach.

A (35:50)

Right. I guess what I needed to, I need to add to that is it's not the coach that's like, he might not even be an offensive coach. It's a coach that believes in what you have start there, then it. But you really do. And it is something I keep coming back to strong leader. Like that's you have to in this market have someone who can step in and be a strong leader. Not allowed leader. Not a guy that goes to the podium and gives you all like the tough talk. You don't need the tough talk. You need somebody who understands how to organize a franchise. And everybody understands this guy knows what he's doing. We're following him. They have not hired anybody like that since Tom Coughlin. That's a fact. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Tom Coughlin walked in the building, knew exactly what he wanted to do. And then when things didn't go well at the beginning, he adjusted. He understood. I gotta meet with my guys. I gotta fix this. And that is how you have a franchise. Go from being what they are right now, which is laughing stock, to back to being one of the cornerstone franchises in the sport.

C (36:55)

And I'm going to tell you what they probably need when we come back. 1-800-919-3776 makes him great.

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A (39:08)

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

B (39:11)

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

A (39:13)

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

C (39:21)

Just by a day. We missed it.

A (39:22)

Yeah, it worked. Last night they played it on the broadcast NBC did. Do you remember?

B (39:26)

If they don't play that on the NBC broadcast, someone's getting fired.

A (39:30)

Well, it was the 21st night of September.

B (39:32)

That's right.

A (39:33)

And the Giants still couldn't get the 10 points.

C (39:34)

I'm just. I'm gonna be that guy. This is the 20th anniversary of Sunday Night Football on NBC. I can't believe it's been 20 years.

A (39:42)

Been waiting all day for Sunday night.

C (39:43)

Which is the dumbest song in the.

B (39:45)

History of I've been audio My Rowdy Friends Are Monday, But I wait all day for Sunday.

C (39:50)

Yeah, if you love football so much, it really must have been painful to just watch nothing but football. And 1 o' clock and 4:25.

A (39:59)

If you're a Jets fan, you really are waiting all day for Sunday night.

B (40:02)

And by the way, no, it's sad because when you're, when your team plays, you really do wait all day for Sunday night. But then what you get is what you got.

C (40:07)

Yeah. And just. It's going to haunt me forever because that's the way it's. It's like watching. I don't even know how to describe every time I see the Odell Beckham Jr. Catch and how it's celebrated. The great. It makes me sick to see it because that was the beginning of the end.

A (40:29)

It was.

C (40:30)

I'm not blaming it all on Odell, although Odell is a culprit in this whole thing. But you organization that it all started from that catch and it all came apart and it gets celebrated. Cuz it is a terrific catch and it should be celebrated by NBC because it was on there. Aaron, of course you're gonna show one of, if not the greatest catches of all time on your open and on your celebration for 20 years. I'm just telling you as a Giant fan, that catch makes me sick.

A (40:55)

Really, the catch makes awful. Collinsworth called it the greatest catch he's ever seen. I'm not saying it's not three fingers falling down.

C (41:02)

But you cannot deny the fact that that was. Whether it's coincidence, whether it's the reason, whatever that was the beginning of the end.

A (41:09)

What was the end result of the game it lost. Yeah, but you're right when you think about what transpired shortly after that was when the Giants seemed to lose their way as a franchise that believed in a standard with leadership. Right. Like it started to become more about the NBA style, which is the players are always right, do what the players want, make the players happy.

C (41:33)

But it was all about desp. They just so wanted to get that next championship. And I get it. And they were closer. They were a lot closer then than they are now. We thought they were far away. Believe me. All these Giant fans who are like, oh, they were wrong. Let go of Tom Coughlin. You all were on board with Coughlin being gone.

B (41:52)

That's a really interesting question because let's just for fun, pretend Jackson darts a guy and because. Because by the way, I think it's still completely guessing at this point. If he's a guy, I could argue there's more talent on this team. Because by the time they got to that Odell team, man, it was. The wheels were coming off talent wise. There wasn't that much left.

C (42:12)

No, it was falling apart. But the feeling would just get there, baby. Because that's all the Giants. You know, it wasn't like the Giants were dragon slayers during the regular seasons of their two Super Bowls. They were 10 and 6, 9 and 7. You know, one division and one wild card and they made runs. So it was, hey, let's just get in the playoffs and Eli will get hot and we'll get there. Actually the better team was the 08 team when Plexigo Burris shot himself and they lost to Philadelphia in the divisional round. That was a better team. They were 12 and four that year, you know, but so it just it all. Well, whenever I see that catch, you didn't know it at the time, but you look back and it just has been downhill since that moment.

B (42:51)

Well, you know what, though? The. Not as great as the catch, but it's possible that if the jets win, the Aaron Glenn celebration dance lives on. And now, unfortunately, we will get to.

C (43:04)

That momentarily, but we still have the Giant calls to do. And let's go to Matt Nashville. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Matt Nashville.

D (43:12)

Hey, congrats, Peter. By the way, your broadcast is on the bars on Broadway on Friday, so.

B (43:16)

Oh, I'm hot in Nashville.

C (43:18)

All right.

B (43:20)

There were girls drinking at their bachelorette party. Not paying attention to us on tv right there, huh?

D (43:24)

Yeah, the buses were going by, they're all pointing. Look, Peter's on the TV up there.

A (43:28)

Look at that. I love it.

D (43:30)

But yeah, I mean, as a Titan and Giant fan, I get to watch two of the worst coaching stats in the NFL every week. And it's just a, it's, it's pure jubilation we get to do that. I'm not going to talk about Giants or the Titans anymore though, but the.

A (43:41)

Titan, that, My God, the end of that game.

D (43:44)

I mean, the end of, the end of the first half was even worse.

B (43:47)

Just we get the ball with three.

D (43:49)

Minutes to go, like the 40. We run straight. Five straight runs, delay the game. Missed the kick, but whatever. I'm just so tired. I don't know if you remember, I.

A (43:58)

Called using a timeout and still not knowing what play you wanted to run.

D (44:01)

Oh, I mean, we call timeout. They call time. We can't call back. It's. It's.

B (44:05)

Did you see that?

C (44:06)

Don't coaching.

D (44:07)

The worst coaching timeout.

A (44:09)

Don't know what we're going to call. Call a timeout. Don't know we're going to call it the league. Like, what do we do?

B (44:13)

That is, by the way, I think if I were. That's fireball or an owner. That would be my one rule of you're fired immediately right there. You, like, you leave the game.

D (44:23)

We had our 25 year radio announcer retire at halftime and the owner wouldn't come out to congratulate him because she was afraid of getting booed because we were booing me at the end of the half. So it was.

B (44:33)

I also can say that that pick six to start the game is among the worst I've ever seen in the history of football.

C (44:39)

Oh, yeah, Congratulations. So there's that too. Yeah.

D (44:43)

It's so much fun every weekend. But I don't remember if you remember, but I called the end of last year and I said it was sickening that we kept both Callahan and then Dable for the Giants. And it's, it's playing out exactly as I think most fans thought it would be. This Owen 3 start. I, I did kind of like the, the game plan at the beginning were okay. We know they're going to try to take away neighbors in the deep balls. We're going to run the ball a lot. But I mean just like how I kept saying when are we going to get our number one debatably best receiver in the league right now the ball. And the only, the only time we tried to get him the ball was on these blatant deep shots. Is there no way drags screens even. I mean we even saw with Scatterboo and I really like what Scatterboo did but in the second half we just threw him the ball right at the line of scrimmage, spread out wide just to get him a touch and see what he can do after the catch. How hard would it be to do that with neighbors? I mean Collinsworth was going crazy over how great the Chiefs were at shutting down neighbors and they did do a good job. But it wasn't just neighbors. I think we had two completions to wide receivers the entire first half. They did a great job taking away neighbors but we didn't do anything to get the ball in the playmakers hands and I was just losing it.

C (45:54)

It was just so frustrating. There's no way that a player, the guy that universally talented should be shut down like that without blaming the coach for not coming up with something to free him up or at least be able to take advantage. Somebody else has to be open. Let's, let's, let's go on split safety.

A (46:12)

But, but you know it's, but whenever.

C (46:15)

You'Re able to shut something down, there's got to be something else you can.

A (46:17)

Exploit or you just okay, this is, they're doing this. So let's look. We got to get our guy. Like I said to get. And I agree with the caller, I said it earlier. If you're in the second quarter and you're a head coach and especially an offensive minded head coach, how do you not just somewhere in the back of your mind going has Malik touched the ball yet? We probably got to get him the ball. We're going to need to run something to get him going. Right. Like that just has to be in your mindset. That's the stuff that does concern you. I have to believe that Dable does have a little voice telling him that my best playmaker hasn't touched the ball yet. But maybe he just couldn't figure out a way to do it.

C (46:53)

And that's, that's, that's a problem.

A (46:54)

It's either he didn't notice it, which is alarming.

C (46:57)

No, he knows.

A (46:58)

Or he didn't know how to do it.

C (46:59)

Didn't know how to do it.

A (46:59)

Which is more he got out coached.

C (47:01)

He got out coached. And more times than not, the reason he's 9 and 31 in his last 40 games is he's getting out coached shocked.

A (47:08)

That was gonna blitz. Also, thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

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I don't want to know how the.

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