Don Hahn (1:37)

It's fine. You know how I feel about avocado. So I'm not a big avocado guy, but there's avocado in there. But there was cucumber in there. That was fine.

Alan Hahn (1:47)

Okay.

Don Hahn (1:47)

Then there was, like. I don't know what you call it. It's like a spicy salmon that had, you know, the rice around it and whatever. That orange sauce that made it spicy. I thought that was very good.

Peter Rosenberg (1:59)

Okay. That you enjoy.

Don Hahn (1:59)

But I'm not a. I'm not a cold dinner type of guy. Like, I always go with the hot sandwiches. I'll always go with, like, a meatball hero or a steak sandwich before I would go with, like, an Italian sub. So that's kind of how I feel about it. It's like, I don't. You know, eating something cold just isn't my thing. But I. It tasted fine. It wasn't slimy. It wasn't disgusting. It was like, oh, God, this is awful. It was. It was okay. But if I'm going out to dinner, I don't think that's something that I would order. But if it's on the table and I might partake, so I'm not against it. It was. All right.

Alan Hahn (2:34)

All right, so it's not something like if Peter and I were like, hey, Don, let's go get some sushi tonight. It's not like you're like, yeah, I'll do it. You'll be. You would probably pass.

Don Hahn (2:42)

Well, I would pass if it was a place that only serves sushi, but if it was like a Japanese steakhouse that had sushi, and I can get a steak, but I might partake in some appetizer. I think Danny from Long island was right in this sense. It never felt like dinner. It really just kind of felt like something I'd have as an appetizer.

Peter Rosenberg (3:04)

Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, if you're someone, I. I'll put it this way. Here's how I want to validate what Don saying.

Don Hahn (3:10)

Here's.

Peter Rosenberg (3:11)

Here's. I'm a little disappointed, too. I'm a little upset, but here's how I'm going to validate what feeling. There are times, Alan, I'm sure you'll relate to this, where if I'm starving and my wife goes, sushi, I'll be like, nah, I'm starving. I don't want sushi. Like, that is a thought process I've had.

Alan Hahn (3:28)

Oh, yeah, that's. That's the whole cliche thing about being hungry in another hour after you've had sushi.

Peter Rosenberg (3:33)

But, but, but as I've gotten.

Alan Hahn (3:35)

It's a good, light meal. It's a good, light meal. But again, to me, if you're going to. First of all, Don's right in that when you go. You want to go somewhere like a Japanese steakhouse. So the sushi is sort of like an appetizer. It's not really the meal.

Peter Rosenberg (3:52)

Well, no, no, no, no. That's not true. If you're an amateur. Well, if you're an amateur, if you're someone who loves good sushi, you just want to go to a place and have amazing.

Alan Hahn (3:59)

Well, then you get the big. You got to get the big. The big boat, and you like this huge tray, and you're just picking off it the whole time, and by the time you're done, you do feel full. But for Don, I think for Don's palette, I do think he's more of a guy that you could get a couple of roles to start, right? And then you, you know, then you get. You get some steak. And I'm. I kind of roll that way. I do. I roll that way. I feel like it's more of like a pre meal than it is the entire meal. Unless it's lunch, then I'm good.

Peter Rosenberg (4:31)

I enjoy it for every kind of meal. If you're going to a full on legitimate, really legitimate, serious sushi place, you go, this is me, only me talking. I'm going, I'm getting two or three apps, getting, you know, gyoza or some other sort of dumpling. I'm getting edamame. I'm getting different tuna, the spicy tuna. Oh, give me a. Now, when you said spicy tuna, Alan, I mean, Don, did you mean a spicy tuna roll or do you mean spicy tuna, like spread out on the fra. Spicy salmon? Was it on, like a crunchy thing or rolled up in rice?

Don Hahn (5:12)

Rolled up in rice.

Peter Rosenberg (5:13)

Okay, rolled up in rice. But. But Alan, you know the spicy tuna app that will come on the delicious crispy rice?

Alan Hahn (5:19)

Yes.

Peter Rosenberg (5:20)

So, like, I'm getting a couple apps and then you share a nice three or four rolls and you're in business. You know, it's just about ordering the right way. But listen, he wants to do it.

Alan Hahn (5:29)

But it's clearly not his bag. So he tried.

Peter Rosenberg (5:32)

He tried, though.

Alan Hahn (5:33)

Salute you for trying it.

Peter Rosenberg (5:35)

What was your entree, though? That wasn't what was in front of you when we saw the picture, Alan. I said, my man didn't even order sushi. He ordered something else. What was like your actual entree?

Don Hahn (5:45)

I got teriyaki beef as my entree.

Peter Rosenberg (5:48)

Okay.

Don Hahn (5:48)

And that came out first. And then all of you know, Matt Lachlan, who's the radio voice of the devils, he got like a seaweed salad, and that came out with my order. And then the seafood, then the sushi started to come, so I needed to put it somewhere. I kind of put it on top of what I was already eating.

Alan Hahn (6:05)

Oh, how did you feel about the. The seaweed salad when you saw.

Don Hahn (6:10)

Didn't look appetizing to me at all.

Alan Hahn (6:12)

Yeah, that would have turned me off. I would have had to.

Peter Rosenberg (6:13)

Like, I'm a big seaweed salad guy. Big.

Alan Hahn (6:16)

Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (6:18)

It doesn't taste what it looks like.

Alan Hahn (6:20)

No, I'm sure it doesn't.

Peter Rosenberg (6:21)

It's like sweet and delicious.

Alan Hahn (6:22)

It's. Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (6:23)

Anthony, you a seaweed salad? Excuse me?

Alan Hahn (6:25)

Oh, no. Oh, no, we lost Anthony.

Peter Rosenberg (6:30)

Are you a seaweed salad man?

Alan Hahn (6:33)

I thought we lost you there for a second.

Peter Rosenberg (6:34)

No, I'm not dead. I'm still here.

Alan Hahn (6:36)

I've never had it, but I'm not against trying it.

Peter Rosenberg (6:39)

Listen, I'm proud of you, Don. You went out, you tried something new, and you're a good man. You're a better man for doing so.

Alan Hahn (6:46)

I love it.

Don Hahn (6:46)

I couldn't remember all the things that Rachel ordered, so I just text her if she can give me a list of exactly what was ordered, because I tried everything.

Peter Rosenberg (6:52)

I appreciate that.

Don Hahn (6:53)

And there was. There was some nice, like, fried shrimp that I had. That obviously was not sushi, but there was a. It was a good meal. It was fun. There was a Momo. Sushi was where he went, right.

Peter Rosenberg (7:04)

Momo Sushi, Vancouver. I'm looking up right now.

Alan Hahn (7:06)

Yeah, yeah. Remember, she was.

Peter Rosenberg (7:09)

Oh, there's one here.

Alan Hahn (7:10)

Different spots.

Peter Rosenberg (7:11)

There's one in New York as well.

Alan Hahn (7:13)

It's a chain or is it just a name that's used?

Peter Rosenberg (7:16)

It's a great pet question.

Alan Hahn (7:17)

You know, could be one.

Don Hahn (7:19)

Don.

Peter Rosenberg (7:19)

Was it a big.

Don Hahn (7:20)

I use Momo.

Alan Hahn (7:21)

Was it a big.

Peter Rosenberg (7:21)

Was it a big. Was it a big yellow sign out front that said Momo? Susie?

Alan Hahn (7:24)

Yes.

Peter Rosenberg (7:25)

All right.

Don Hahn (7:26)

Big yellow sign. Momo. I felt Bobo. I. Yes, I do say Bobo, but you also say Momo, depending on what's going on. But I was told, because Rachel and Maddie are big, big sushi fans, and they thought the sushi was wonderful there.

Alan Hahn (7:42)

Okay. So they would know.

Peter Rosenberg (7:44)

I'll tell you what. It's not.

Alan Hahn (7:45)

It's not.

Peter Rosenberg (7:46)

I don't want to cast.

Don Hahn (7:47)

This wasn't fancy.

Peter Rosenberg (7:50)

It's.

Don Hahn (7:50)

It's not like I was at a Chinese restaurant, but I thought.

Alan Hahn (7:53)

I got it.

Peter Rosenberg (7:53)

I got to tell you. I got to tell you, Alan Google, real quick.

Alan Hahn (7:56)

Alan. Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (7:57)

I don't love. I don't love what I'm seeing review wise on Yelp. The Yelp reviews are not great.

Alan Hahn (8:04)

The one in New York.

Peter Rosenberg (8:05)

No, no. Vancouver. 375 Water Street.

Don Hahn (8:11)

Yes, exactly.

Alan Hahn (8:12)

Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (8:13)

TripAdvisors Decent, but Yelp reviews aren't. Aren't great.

Alan Hahn (8:16)

What's the complaint, though? I mean, it's a. It's a. It's a 4.5 star on.

Peter Rosenberg (8:21)

That's. That's on TripAdvisor. Go down to Yelp, though. Not the same.

Alan Hahn (8:25)

2.9. Okay.

Peter Rosenberg (8:27)

Although who leaves reviews? Psychopaths.

Don Hahn (8:28)

Let's be honest.

Alan Hahn (8:30)

You never did.

Peter Rosenberg (8:32)

I mean, I. For me to leave a review, it would have to be astoundingly bad.

Alan Hahn (8:36)

Yelp 2.1. So TripAdvisors got way more people do you think that some of these restaurants when they get some bad reviews and their rating goes down that they have like workers like put in higher to bring their number back up 1000.

Peter Rosenberg (8:55)

The number 1000%. Because you're a bottom.

Alan Hahn (8:59)

You could ruin someone's business.

Peter Rosenberg (9:01)

Correct.

Alan Hahn (9:02)

By just letting do that a whole bunch of people just. Who never even went just to complain about and give it bad reviews.

Don Hahn (9:08)

Well, that's the thing. You would have to be so blown away.

Peter Rosenberg (9:14)

No, I'm just, I just can't get the gauge of the place. I'm looking at it and I'm like, is it like a low key but good sushi spot or is it more like a lunch casual? Just grab some sushi on the ghost.

Alan Hahn (9:25)

It was definitely water. Not like Bidwell.

Don Hahn (9:29)

It was definitely water.

Alan Hahn (9:30)

Okay. But anyway, hey look, you tried it. That's what we wanted. Proud of you for doing it. This has been some trip for you and hopefully you'll be able to make it home on time.

Don Hahn (9:44)

No, it's a crazy trip just because I left Sunday with the team. So like Sunday afternoon it's Friday. I Friday right now it's. It's noon here. I've worked one game. I worked Monday's game in Calgary. Edmonton was national so I was, I was there but I didn't work it. So I finally get to work a game tonight and then Sunday afternoon. That's a frustrating thing. Gone for seven days and only had to work three games. But no, it's. Vancouver is amazing. It's a great trip and everybody's been really cool. They just. I'm looking forward to actually having a game tonight to do and see if they can't make it five out of six.

Alan Hahn (10:20)

Yeah. Getting you back to work, that's what you want to do. You're on this trip, let's do it for that. And it's. While that's going on, of course we've got a championship weekend we can discuss. We've got, I mean the, the NFL look. When are you ever that caught, like surprised by the coaching carousel that goes on in the NFL? Like this time of year, jobs open. Some people, you know, apply for jobs, they interview for jobs. Coaches are named. Most of the time you're like, okay, like, okay, we'll see how he does. Right? I mean the, the owner in Miami couldn't remember his coach's name. But tough, that's a tough one. But what's happening in Buffalo is really interesting on so many levels. Aside from Dable interviewing which sounds interesting enough, how everything went down with McDermott. And now they like bringing in Philip Rivers interviewing for that job. And that feels like out of left field, doesn't it? A very bizarre kind of thing. Guy hasn't coached at the NFL. Now, I know he was an NFL quarterback, but wouldn't you want to have like somebody that, like, if you're him, shouldn't you do it? Aaron Glenn did, which is start out scouting, start out as a low level coach, work your way up, get enough experience under your belt to get to a point where you could be a head coach. He's jumping right in. I mean, he returned to the NFL, played a couple games for the Colts, and now he's interviewing for a head coach position. That sounds really fast.

Peter Rosenberg (11:56)

I don't. Go ahead, Doug.

Don Hahn (12:02)

I don't know how anybody could make that kind of a leap. It. Maybe you could do it in other sports, but this is such a coach driven league. I need, I'm sorry, you got to go through the rigors of it. I know he's, he's done it on the, you know, the high school level with his kids, and I know he was a quarterback. And obviously he made it back at the age of, you know, 43, whatever. He was 44 because of how intelligent he is. But this is too much heavy lifting for that kind of inexperience. And it just shows me that this is completely reactionary by Pegula didn't seem to have a plan after letting McDermott go. He was obviously listening to people or just was, you know, so passionate to make a move that now you're kind of scrambling. And I'm sorry. As much as I thought McDermott was somebody that should be reevaluated at the end of the season, we talked about his job possibly being in jeopardy if they had an early exit, but didn't seem like you got any kind of a plan, man. Just change for change sake. And that, that's never a good reason to fire a coach.

Alan Hahn (13:05)

That's definitely what it feels like in Buffalo. It's something to watch, right? It's just something to see because they were, they have been the IT franchise. They have the IT quarterback and he's not there. And the, the year that you thought was the year to break through didn't happen. Just what's happened up in Buffalo is just something that I would suggest everybody keep an eye on. That's all. Because, boy, did that for something that felt stable. How unstable that has become unstable maybe is that.

Don Hahn (13:33)

Let's. Let's be honest. All right? The Buffalo Bills are what they are because of Josh Allen. That's why they're stable. That's why they win. And now I'm going to go coach them. I'm not saying that Josh Allen's anywhere close to retiring, but obviously has a shelf life. And the last time they were well run was the last time they had a quarterback in Jim Kelly. It's not an attractive place to play, although I do love the city of Buffalo. I love the passion of the fans, but, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's cold. It's kind of not a heavy populated city. It's not a popular place that I think players want to go play. Unless you're going to win and you've got an owner that there's a lot of allegations thrown around, like, how much does he care? Is this just like a pet project for him? That's definitely what they think with the Sabre situation, although they've kind of turned it around there. I. Once Josh Allen is gone, Buffalo is not an attractive place to go play. God love their fans and I root for them, but that's a, that's a tough sell, man. It is free agents for coaches.

Alan Hahn (14:42)

And it. When you look at the division, Miami's got a new coach. The jets are a disaster. New England went and got vrabel and they're 60 minutes from a Super bowl appearance. Like, think about like that. Like that the bill, the Bill's window was there and it feels like, boy, is it starting to close. Is, did the Patriots just grab the division back again? And who are they really worried about? When you see what's happening in Miami and obviously with the jets, and that's like, that's what frustrates you when we've talked about the NFL and how amazing is it that you're looking at some of the same brands that always seem to show up year after year, at least over the last 10 years, right? Seattle, you're used to seeing them play at this level. Denver, we have seen them do that. They've had. They're bad for just a small amount of time. New England, same thing. The good franchises are bad for a small amount of time. And that, I think, is why it feels like there isn't parity in the league. That's why when we talk about this stuff, I always say to myself, is it, is it that it's unfair in the NFL because, you know, there's always the haves and the have nots. But. Or is it just simply because, like, who said it yesterday, that sometimes it's really just. How about just run your franchise the right way, have good ownership, have stable ownership and have the ability to be competitive versus what we see in the NFL, where everybody can spend the same amount of money, but yet it just seems like the same franchises suck and the same franchises are good. And in the end, sports, you know, like baseball and the whole idea of a salary cap. Guys, I don't know. I do think it does come down to my biggest criticism of Brian Cashman. It's not how much you're given to spend, it's how you spend it.

Don Hahn (16:36)

So. So let me ask you this, then. What's more important, the head coach or the quarterback? Because what you're suggesting is it's the head coach because you can't always choose your quarterback. You got to be in the right position in the draft. Right. Or you've got to be an attractive place to win over a free agent or have the draft capital to make a trade. It's not easy to get the quarterback, but the coach, you know, if. If you've got an owner and if you got. You could pay them, it doesn't count towards the cap. It sounds like the head coach is easier to get. The Patriots got their quarterback, although I'm still not 100% sold. He's Tom Brady, he did not play well. They probably lose that game. If Houston has a competent quarterback, and we all agree on that last week, because he did not play well. That's why I think the Patriots still can be had this week. We'll get our picks at 5:45. But Vrabel was the right hire. I mean, and Vrabel didn't have this kind of success in Tennessee on a consistent basis because he was searching for the quarterback. Right, but now you've got the quarterback and the head coach. But when you're talking about stable organizations, what's easier to get? It's that coach. I've got the money to pay him. I'm an attractive franchise. I've got an owner that's competent, wants that head coach, that head coach wants to go there and like Buffalo, you.

Peter Rosenberg (17:55)

Don'T even have to be.

Don Hahn (17:56)

Yeah, no, Josh Allen once he's gone. How attractive is that job?

Peter Rosenberg (18:02)

Well. Well, obviously completely less attractive. However, let's be clear. I don't even think the standard for, quote, attractive franchise has to be that high. Don't be a hideous franchise. It's literally just that. Don't. Don't show up with boogers hanging off your lip and hair sticking out of your ears and you Basically could get anyone you want. I mean, it's certainly to have the best shot at the, you know, the Harbaugh situation is a great example. The Giants are in the best spot. And get ready, Giants fans, because of the fantastic history of this team, in spite of the last several years, there is a certain decorum that people believe in when it comes to John Mara, the Tisch family, the entire Giants organization. Sure, that will help you in getting a John Harbaugh over a Tennessee or a Miami whoever, but generally speaking, if we're looking for a starting coach and, and it's a, it's a pretty good candidate. If you show up and you just have your basic, you know, body parts functioning and you can get words out of your mouth and the checks clear, you're able to get it done. Because when you look at the jets, for example, we're looking at a toothless freak, okay? A stumbling, drunk toothless freak that no one wants to go home with, but otherwise you should be able to get someone.

Alan Hahn (19:22)

And that's why I don't understand, I don't want to make this a Jets conversation, but it is, because when you. Again, we're going to watch championship weekend and we're going to say, it's been 15 years since the jets made the playoffs and the last time we saw them was in that game. Right. So it shows you that even, even with Woody Johnson as an owner, which, you know, we do at least me complain a lot about him not getting it. You can overcome that and have success like they did in back to back years, build something that is that good. They were able to do that. Right, But.

Don Hahn (19:55)

Right.

Alan Hahn (19:57)

Why do they have like 50? It's a long. You know how hard it is to be that bad? 15 years, man. 15 years. And yet other franchises can get like, they can be really bad. I mean, the Patriots were bad. They were bad for a couple of years, but it went by so fast and it turns quickly. Why is it as simple as, like, Peter's describing something, and I know what you're saying, but like, is it really as simple as just clean it up and everybody will look at you a different way? Because the Giants, John Harbaugh walks in the room and says, they're the New York Football Giants. Of course I wanted this job.

Peter Rosenberg (20:38)

Well, we love football.

Alan Hahn (20:39)

Everybody's like, oh, the Giants can be fine. Oh, they're going to turn it around. What is it, eight and a half now? The over, under, like, in an instant, you're taking a team that was like, they couldn't get out of their own way in the second half of games where they were, they were disaster with a lead. They were a mess all across the board. And yet you change one piece and everyone now goes, oh, I can see them win. And I feel that way. I could see them win. I could see them because eight and a half or more in one year, turning it around in one year. Vrabel walked in and turned a team around in one year.

Don Hahn (21:15)

Now they might have gotten lucky because he played there. He had blood in the ground.

Alan Hahn (21:19)

Yes, he did.

Don Hahn (21:20)

Right. So that maybe helped bring Variable. They were able to pivot a little easier. Would variable want to be in New England had he not played there? Know the owner, know the lay of the land. So maybe there's a little luck there. But like the Patriots are no historic franchise until you look over the last 25 years and what Robert Kraft has been able to build. And so it becomes an attractive place. I disagree with Peter. Like the toothless with the Jets. The jets can be attractive. It's New York. They do spend money. It may not be a historic history like as far as, like on the level of the Giants or, you know, the Cowboys or the Bears or something, but teams have won with the jets, had some success as recently as 15 years ago. It's just that nobody trusts their owner. If they had competent ownership, Peter, the Jets could be an attractive place to go play and to turn it around.

Peter Rosenberg (22:15)

Sure, but.

Don Hahn (22:17)

So that's what's frustrating because you can't just replace Woody Johnson now. The Giants were kind of teetering. All right, exactly how good is the ownership?

Alan Hahn (22:26)

Right.

Don Hahn (22:27)

Not only not having one in a while since John is fully take over, but also his health situation. But their history could win a John Harbaugh over. If you don't have the history, you better have a competent owner. An owner that people trust, an owner that is respected around the league. And then you can get the coach and that coach can go out and get the general manager and the quarterback and you can build the Jets. Problem is they just don't have that kind of ownership.

Alan Hahn (22:51)

Yeah.

Don Hahn (22:52)

And it's not that attractive a franchise to overcome the poor ownership.

Alan Hahn (22:57)

And think about it, the teams that turn around quickly. And we just were mentioning how's the ownership in New England. Robert Kraft has had some things, you know, that is embarrassing to his personal life. But overall as an owner in the NFL, is he of. Of good standing, respected?

Don Hahn (23:14)

Seems like. It seems like he's respected.

Alan Hahn (23:16)

It's got a voice in the NFL, right? He does. He's Got influence, right? He's, he's got Goodell's ear. And that's the same thing you said about, about Mehra. Like it's, he's, he's a respected owner. He's got the, he's got the, the commissioner's ear. There's history there like that stuff. That's why again, bad franchises can't hire new coaches. They have to hire experienced coaches. It's the only way to do it. It's the only way to turn it around. And that's, you know, that's why you'll see what you see this weekend. That's why Denver a couple of years ago was bad, really bad. And they've got, they. It. What did it cost them to get Sean Payton first round pick? Some people might think that's crazy to trade a first round pick for a head coach. Why would you do that? You can't give up assets like that when you're a bad franchise. But do you. How's it working out for him now? Right? Like so. Decisions you make sometimes with a. You have to know who you are. And the Patriots realized who they were. They tried to do something with, with Drod Mayo. They thought it'd be a good. No, you can't do this here. Not in that market, not this franchise. So they get smart and they go get a veteran. They, they give up after one year because they think it's smart. That's why you're going to see this weekend. Some franchises Seattle has, they did it a different way, but they were able to because of the market they're in. McVeigh is young. That's another way. You could do it as well. But in L. A nobody pays attention to the Rams. You can get away with it in Boston and in New York. You can't get away with it in those types of markets. You can't. And that's why you know the Giants right now are in a much different place within a week's time. All because of one person walking in the building. That's the difference. As you know, managing maintenance, repair and operations is never easy. But for the ones who always rise to the challenge, Grainger has your back.

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Peter Rosenberg (26:10)

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Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcast. All right, before we get to the calls, guys, I do want to just, I guess clarify something that I did say yesterday in regards to the jets and the defensive coordinate interviews, because you saw the athletic had a report where they were having a hard time getting experienced DC's in to interview. They do. They did talk to a couple of guys. Wink Martindale's experience, and they had him. Now, these are. These were virtual interviews. They didn't have anybody come actually in the building yet. But Wink's one guy and we know he's experienced. Another interesting name is Jim Leonard. Now, he's a former Jet, former Raven too, of course, and Bart speaks highly of him as a teammate. And he's a guy that seems to be moving up pretty quickly in the defensive coaching ranks who could be a good, you know, a good addition, especially when you consider the blood in the ground thing. And Aaron Glenn, who I don't think they. They were not teammates with the jets, but they do both have that in their background. So just. Just wanted to clarify that. It's not like no one's interviewing, but a lot of names. If I read them to you, you would. You'd look at me like, who the hell you know? Like you don't know. But those are two names that you should recognize as a. As a NFL fan.

Don Hahn (27:32)

The Dove Kleiman tweet was that there were two high profile DCs that weren't interested in talking to the Jets.

Alan Hahn (27:41)

Right.

Don Hahn (27:41)

But you just mentioned two guys and Wink Martindale and Jim Leonard that I think are very high on their list. Very respected.

Alan Hahn (27:48)

Yeah.

Don Hahn (27:49)

That you don't care about the other two. And I brought it up yesterday with Damian Woody. I almost lean on the side of those two DCs being gutless because they don't. They're afraid they're going to fail with the jets. And not get any other traction. Well, Robert Sala failed with the jets and became a head coach. So have faith in yourself that you're going to be able to turn it around. So I did think that was a little performative. I thought that report, not that it wasn't true, but. But I thought it was kind of clickbait in the sense of, see, nobody wants to coach the jets if they landed Jim Leonard, as you said, former Jet, former Raven, had success here when he was with in New York. Rex. And you get Wink Martindale. I think Jet fans be very excited about either of those two being DCs.

Alan Hahn (28:30)

Yeah. But would, would Aaron Glenn, who's a defense guy, that could be part of it too. It could be guys that come in saying, you know, I don't want to be a defensive coordinator and the head coach is a defensive guy. You know, you want to be able to run your own, run your own show. So who knows. But I just wanted to add there were two names that people would definitely recognize. One thing also, as we get you ready and we'll be talking a lot about the AFC and NFC championship games and the matchups, the back and forth between the Broncos and the Patriots is getting kind of interesting, a little spicy. But the thing that stood out to me the most, speaking of former Jets John Franklin Myers, here's what he said now. Again, Jared Stidham has not thrown a pass in a game for the Broncos yet, not just this season ever. And he's got to play now because of Bo Nick's injury. Listen to what he says about what he thinks Stidham is in comparison to who he's going up against in Drake May.

Peter Rosenberg (29:27)

The thing about Stidy, he knows what he's doing. He understands why the coach is calling.

Alan Hahn (29:32)

A certain cause and that's what makes him so good.

Peter Rosenberg (29:34)

You know, sometimes you get out there.

Don Hahn (29:36)

You play football, football, you run what's called.

Peter Rosenberg (29:37)

You're not understanding where you want the ball to go, how fast, when and everything. And steady, man, he's running scouting plays and he's running them better than they starting quarterback. So I'll tell you, man, he's. He's a good player for us and man, we're excited for.

Alan Hahn (29:51)

So he's, he's running there. We're going steady, huh?

Peter Rosenberg (29:55)

Everyone's going steady, huh?

Alan Hahn (29:56)

Yeah, they call him steady.

Peter Rosenberg (29:57)

Gotta go steady.

Alan Hahn (29:58)

Yeah, steady is what they call him. But. But steady. How about him throwing out there that he runs the Patriots offense as a scout team better than Drake May does?

Don Hahn (30:09)

I mean, you can look at it as a dig, but I can't fault any of those guys trying to talk up a guy that hasn't thrown a pass all year to help them win a championship game and to go to the Super Bowl. So you got to do whatever you can to talk the guy up. Talk yourself up. Right? I mean, you're an underdog in your own building because of this. So the Patriots could put it on the bulletin board. A disrespect to me. Don't you have to. If you're a Broncos, say whatever you have to to gain some confidence in a backup quarterback trying to lead you to the promised land here. So I can't fault him for that.

Alan Hahn (30:39)

Well, but you don't need to bring in the other team's quarterback in the conversation. You want to pump your guys tires, that's great, but, you know. Oh, yeah. He's doing it better than Drake. May is. I mean. Easy, bud. Easy. Again. The back and forth has been really interesting between these two teams. And Peter, I know you love that. It's steady. All right, 800 now. 19376. Let's. First and foremost, this is probably the most important call of the day. Marcus from Vancouver. Marcus.

Don Hahn (31:11)

Hey, Marcus.

Alan Hahn (31:12)

Hello. Yeah, we got you. What's going on?

Don Hahn (31:17)

Listen on. Canada loves you. You know this. I know you love Canada. Canada loves you. So happy you're here. I. I seen last night you went. You went for sushi for the first time.

Peter Rosenberg (31:30)

Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

Alan Hahn (31:32)

Crony. Mm.

Don Hahn (31:33)

Okay, man. A man of your taste.

Peter Rosenberg (31:36)

Unique, brother.

Don Hahn (31:39)

There are so many better places in the area.

Alan Hahn (31:41)

I.

Don Hahn (31:41)

All I want to tell you is next time you come back here, next time you want sushi, you go to Tokyo in April.

Peter Rosenberg (31:47)

It's about two blocks away from the arena. I'm telling you, brother.

Don Hahn (31:51)

I'm telling you.

Peter Rosenberg (31:52)

So. Yo, yo, yo. So tell me something. Did mans go to a. To a wax spot? Croty. I mean, is Momo not the real deal?

Alan Hahn (31:59)

You're. That's.

Peter Rosenberg (32:00)

That's way far out, brother.

Don Hahn (32:01)

That's Toronto. That's true.

Peter Rosenberg (32:03)

I know. I'm just. I'm just having fun. But I know Vancouver, you guys don't get down like this, but it's still fun. Is Momo trash, though?

Don Hahn (32:10)

Yes, big time.

Peter Rosenberg (32:11)

I live. I live. I live about two blocks away from there. I pass it every time I go.

Don Hahn (32:16)

To the liquor store.

Brendan O'Callaghan (32:17)

Eaten there.

Peter Rosenberg (32:18)

It's no good.

Don Hahn (32:19)

Don is a man of taste.

Peter Rosenberg (32:20)

He's a man of culture. Well, this is really important and very telling.

Alan Hahn (32:28)

I appreciate. Yeah, we're taking.

Peter Rosenberg (32:30)

I thought from the pictures I did. I didn't want to, like, attack Rachel because she's obviously lovely and intended the best.

Alan Hahn (32:37)

Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (32:37)

But when I looked at the pictures, Alan, I was like, this is like a little lunch counter jabroni spot that.

Don Hahn (32:43)

You'Re going to take.

Peter Rosenberg (32:44)

My man Don, his first time, it's not right croty. You know what I mean? What are we doing?

Alan Hahn (32:50)

Listen, every time he goes to the liquor store, he passes it. Not really impressed. That was very. That was good. Good notes to take.

Don Hahn (32:59)

The question is, how often is he passing it by?

Alan Hahn (33:01)

Probably a lot. Might have just. Might have just gotten.

Peter Rosenberg (33:04)

Yeah, might have just seen it right now.

Alan Hahn (33:07)

Look, we all know it's Delhi time every time. And Don, we know you'll be back in Vancouver, so we'll just take notes. 800 now and 93776. How about Brendan in O'? Callaghan?

Peter Rosenberg (33:19)

Oh, that's a no. It's our guy, Brent Callahan.

Brendan O'Callaghan (33:22)

Oh, guys. Oh, I'm great. I'm so happy to talk to you guys.

Peter Rosenberg (33:30)

It's been a minute, buddy. Do you know.

Alan Hahn (33:32)

Do you know Allen yet here? Because I. I don't.

Peter Rosenberg (33:37)

This is our buddy. This is our buddy, Brendan o'. Callaghan. We've been friends with him since he was like. What were you, 11 or 12? 11. 11. And now you're.

Don Hahn (33:47)

How old are you now?

Brendan O'Callaghan (33:49)

I'm 18.

Alan Hahn (33:50)

Wow.

Peter Rosenberg (33:51)

That's our guy, man.

Brendan O'Callaghan (33:52)

Okay, Alan, it's nice to speak with you, too.

Alan Hahn (33:56)

Likewise.

Peter Rosenberg (33:58)

What's going on, buddy?

Brendan O'Callaghan (33:59)

John, I. Well, I have a quick hockey question for Don.

Peter Rosenberg (34:03)

All right.

Brendan O'Callaghan (34:03)

Obviously, the Rangers are having a very unfortunate and disappointing season. Don, what do you think the chances are that they force Mika Zabanejad out the door with how he has been playing and what his value could be at right now?

Don Hahn (34:19)

I think it's an ongoing process to try to get him to wave his no movement clause. I think it's something Chris Drury wants to do and unfortunately, Zavanajad doesn't want to do it. I think they can get something for him. It's just maybe at some point, get close to the deadline, the team's not going anywhere, that maybe he will decide that he wants to waive it. He's having a good season and he's not the reason why that they're in the situation they're in. They just. They need to start moving away from these core players. They're able to get rid of Kreider and Truba, and now it's time to think about Sabanajad. Was J.T. miller a mistake, guys, considering you bring in this guy who's in his mid-30s, thinking you're going to go compete for a Stanley cup, and now it looks like you got a full blown rebuild on your hands. So it's better to start parting ways with these guys, maybe. Mika season says, as much as I love being in New York, do I want to be on a team that's not going to go to the playoffs or a team that's not going to get as far as I think I can? He's not getting any younger. It's just about convincing them to move it. But Alan, you know, these guys negotiate for it, they want it and to ask them to waive it, especially when you love New York. He's got a young family now, he's made his roots here, so I can understand him wanting to stay. But at the same time, do you want to be one of the guys that prohibits this team from moving forward and staying on a team that doesn't look like he can gain any traction? They're the worst team in the Eastern Conference right now.

Alan Hahn (35:41)

What you're asking is, do you really want to stay on a team that doesn't want you? Like, nobody wants that. What athlete wants, like, well, I'm staying. You're going to have to deal with me. I don't want to leave. So it's up to you. All right, well, you're not playing up to your standard anymore and we're trying to go in a different direction, but it'd be so awkward to be around a team where you just know they don't want me here. So you got to make that tough decision at some point.

Don Hahn (36:07)

But here's the spin. I'd make it like he's actually playing pretty well and it still doesn't matter because the team's not good enough. So where are we going? Like, you could work out, you could do all the things to become a better player. It's gone beyond Mika's advantage and not living up to expectations. It's got to the point where he can't do it himself. So it's just, it's time to move on. But I, I can't make somebody do something they don't want to do. Right?

Alan Hahn (36:31)

No, I, I, you can't make it happen, but you got to work something out and that's that, that we all know that it comes to that point sooner, sooner or later. But man, do I hate no tricks, no moves. And I, I that they should definitely not have that stuff in sports.

Don Hahn (36:46)

I don't know if you know the Brendan story. It was. It was in Jersey. It made all the news where he was. His major bus accident going on a trip and he was a listener to the show. We had him in the studio. Peter, I'm blown away. That was seven years ago. He went from being 11 year old. He's an 18 year old man now. Like where does the time go?

Peter Rosenberg (37:08)

It's so crazy. We got to meet Brendan, of course, because he was in a. Him and his classmates were in a really rough bus accident. And then we got the pleasure of getting to meet him and he came to the studio and then he just stayed in touch with us over the years and now he's going to school and working on becoming a broadcaster himself. It's crazy, man. Did you, did you see the video he sent us this week, Don?

Don Hahn (37:32)

No.

Peter Rosenberg (37:34)

Check your email. No, Check your email. I think Anthony forwarded us an email or he has my email address. So I got it from him direct, but he sent me.

Alan Hahn (37:41)

Yeah, it should be in your email now, Donnie.

Peter Rosenberg (37:43)

And he's talking to me, you and Michael. He just wanted to like update us on what's been happening and what he's working on. And it's just crazy seeing him talk as an 18 year old. It's just these years back to Alan's original point man. The COVID time goes way too fast as an adult. But as if it wasn't messed up enough already, our this time in the world, we all now got stuck with double time over the last several years.

Alan Hahn (38:09)

I'll say it again for those who didn't hear it since COVID 60 minutes is now 30 minutes. Somehow some way it just feels like, you know, when you tap the screen and the. The video plays a little bit faster, you know, 2x2 times. It just. It just for some reason since then, that's what it. At least it feels like for me. It doesn't feel like that if you're in school because you sit in the classroom and that just the second hand sometimes goes backwards. But when you're. I think at our age it just definitely feels like it has sped up this show though. A lot more left in it. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

Peter Rosenberg (38:50)

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

Alan Hahn (38:52)

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Hey Don, I know you're a regular connoisseur of the Mets on sny, right?

Don Hahn (39:05)

Yes.

Alan Hahn (39:06)

Did you. Did you see this about the. The director?

Don Hahn (39:13)

17 years yeah, that's almost the whole time they've been on SNY, where they started. SNY in 06, I believe. So this is. So it's what, 20 years? So he's done every year but three. I've never met him, but it's.

Peter Rosenberg (39:29)

Who's out at SNY?

Alan Hahn (39:31)

It's John DeMarcus.

Don Hahn (39:35)

He's the long time, 17 years, director.

Alan Hahn (39:39)

I've never met him, but he was. He's somebody. He. He put a lot of his, like, while. While directing the game, he would have a camera going on him. Right. Am I right? Right. And it would be fascinating to see inside, you know, in the truck and places like that where you kind of see how the action happens. And it. He wrote this whole little manifesto about why it's over. And it's. It's interesting. So I, you know, be curious to see if the games. I don't know. Do you. You're in the business, so. Do you notice broadcast? Do you watch games differently? Don't, Peter. I mean, you know how this stuff works, too, with the WWE broadcasts, right? It's all kind of the same idea where there's a lot of things that you see that the viewer at home doesn't, and a lot of things that go on that the final product that you see at home. You should see the mayhem that's going on in the background between producers, directors, graphic producers, and all the different things that have to happen and go right all at the same time. I wonder if the broadcast will look.

Don Hahn (40:48)

Different, but they do a tremendous job over at Snyder. Baseball's tough, man, because there's so many different. Tough, but also chance to be creative. Right. Because I see behind the scenes in hockey and what Roland Dratch and Chris Meberg do, but you're kind of stagnant in a sense. You got to follow the puck. You can't be overly creative because you got to be able to follow the play. There's so much downtime in baseball. It allows you to show the crowd, show different players on the field, split screens, pitcher, catcher, show the umpire, and they really allow themselves to be creative. And I think SNY does a great. I hope it doesn't change at all, because I think they do a really good product.

Alan Hahn (41:29)

Yeah. Yeah. Just. Again, an interesting thing, certainly, to watch along the way. Let's take Justin in Massapequa up next with us. Justin, how you doing?

Brendan O'Callaghan (41:37)

I. I'm excited that the Yankees kept Cody Bellinger, and I think he'll win us a World Series. And I was reminiscing about the 4 out of 5 World Series that my dad and my two uncles got to see watching them on YouTube the other day. And I think Cody Bellinger will help us go to the World Series this year and win the World Series. And Soto, two years ago when they were in the World Series against the Dodgers, I, I always say, since I didn't get to see those dynasty four out of five teams back then, that was my one year. It felt like to me that was the 98 team and all those teams back then because I, I never got to see those teams. So that was my team back then. But I think Bellinger will help us go to the World Series and win it too, because even without Soto, I think he puts the ball in play and I think we'll have a really good year this year. And I think Cody Bellinger puts the ball in play. And Peter, how is it being a dad?

Don Hahn (42:59)

Oh, wow, thanks, thanks.

Alan Hahn (43:01)

Way to close, Justin.

Peter Rosenberg (43:02)

That's a big one to close with.

Alan Hahn (43:03)

What a perfect question to ask at the end there. So how is it being a dad, Peter, of a one year old now who's watching television, walking around probably slapping you in the forehead every now and then because randomly hit you.

Peter Rosenberg (43:17)

I'm catching some slaps, man. It's. I was just talking about this today on Cheap Heat. It's, it's amazing. It's beautiful. She is easily the greatest thing ever. There's no high in the world than like when I walk in the house every night and she looks up at me. I was telling Allen yesterday the positioning of her high chair is such. Where she'll like Don, she'll like turn around to see me and to see her light up with her big goofy teeth that are coming in now. It's amazing. And also simultaneously, you know, I just want to, you know, say to Alan and Don and everyone else, I know you guys are all liars and nobody tells the truth about how hard this whole thing is to actually, I'll be honest, Alan, I don't blame. It's been, it's been a while, you know, and he's used to it. By the time he got to the fourth one, it was such. He was so in his groove. It's like, you know, it's like Ted Williams hitting a baseball. You know, it's not hard to get a base hit. You know what I mean?

Alan Hahn (44:16)

I'm telling you it because you'll, you'll see it once. The second and third come along instinctual. You just feel it.

Peter Rosenberg (44:23)

The third comes along.

Alan Hahn (44:23)

Oh, here we Go, I know this.

Peter Rosenberg (44:25)

But, but yeah, like at one year, I was thinking about this yesterday, guys, you know, and we're a mostly New York based show with our listeners. Of course, we have people everywhere watching us on YouTube, but a lot of people in the Tri State, like, even if you're doing decent in life, New York City is kind of hard living, particularly in January. Like, New York City's kind of hard living, moving around is hard. Everything you do is kind of hard. The apartment. An apartment is an apartment. It's tight quarters. And you know, listen, I'm just, I know this is like overly honest. I'm sorry. Cause Justin just goes, hey, how's being a dad? And I have to get into the nitty gritty. But whenever anyone asks me, I'm like, how much time you got? You know, it's amazing. And it's also the hardest job of all time. It's completely.

Alan Hahn (45:07)

I mean, guys, the first toughest Peter. Because you're so used to having your own time to yourself.

Peter Rosenberg (45:13)

Me and Don, you know, it was like 45 years. What do you make about 48, 50.

Don Hahn (45:18)

Yeah, I was, they were, I was 49 when they were born.

Peter Rosenberg (45:23)

40. Like you go such a long time where the main. The only thing I ever had to worry about was, well, after like six hours, I got to get home to Bear. You know, let me make sure I come back and run bear outside. It's, it's, it's a totally. You know, and I get home to Natalie and she just to. We're going to try to find the right person to help us now. Or daycare. Natalie spent the first year herself. She's just been doing it all and she's, she's ready.

Don Hahn (45:47)

She's ready to get outside a little bit, move around. Yeah, but it's still great. As hard as it is. It is, it is great. I did hear from Rachel about the menu from last night.

Alan Hahn (45:56)

Oh, boy. What do we got?

Don Hahn (45:58)

Of what exactly? I tried. You ready?

Alan Hahn (46:00)

Let's go.

Peter Rosenberg (46:00)

Yeah, here we go.

Don Hahn (46:01)

Shrimp tempura, California roll. Philadelphia roll.

Peter Rosenberg (46:06)

Oh, Philadelphia. I mean, she thinks you're a child. Keep going.

Don Hahn (46:10)

And a spicy tuna slash shrimp tempura roll.

Peter Rosenberg (46:13)

Oh, dude. What was the last one?

Alan Hahn (46:16)

The spicy. No, no, the shrimp. Shrimps Tempora slash spicy double. You said spice. You said spicy tuna. Shrimp tempura.

Don Hahn (46:25)

That was all in one role.

Peter Rosenberg (46:27)

All in one roll. Got it. One of those deals. Yeah.

Alan Hahn (46:29)

Interesting.

Peter Rosenberg (46:30)

That's it? No, well, Anthony, that's when they have me and dip like to joke about those roles. That's when they, like, they have. They give them. You know, it's the roller coaster role. I literally go to a place that has a Billy Joel roll. Like, just give it a dumb name, throw a couple things together, and put it out there. Yeah. I mean, is it possible, Alan, though, that it was kind of the wrong order in that he doesn't like avocados?

Alan Hahn (46:50)

I wouldn't jump into a Philly roll right away. I'll tell you.

Peter Rosenberg (46:54)

Philly with cream cheese.

Don Hahn (46:56)

You've got to really like sushi to.

Alan Hahn (46:57)

Like the Philly roll. Yeah, the Philly. The Philly roll is definitely more of a lunch kind of thing. That's not a dinner thing.

Don Hahn (47:03)

I.

Peter Rosenberg (47:03)

Can you. Can you tell Rachel, Don, on my behalf, I am concerned. I am concerned. Respectfully.

Alan Hahn (47:10)

Respect.

Peter Rosenberg (47:10)

That she brought my guy to a dump. That I'm a little concerned.

Alan Hahn (47:15)

Oh, boy.

Peter Rosenberg (47:16)

Like, it's. It's. Look at the pictures, Alan. It's giving food court. Sushi. It's giving food court. That's what I'm concerned about.

Alan Hahn (47:23)

Yeah. I took a peek earlier when we were talking about it. Not thrilled, but, hey, again, our guy did the right thing by saying, I'll give it a shot. I'll give it a try. Yeah. He didn't say. No, he didn't. I'm never eating that stuff. He wasn't one of these tough guys that can't handle. Given something a try. He gave.

Peter Rosenberg (47:42)

Can't eat a Whopper.

Alan Hahn (47:43)

I respect it. Enjoy, Susie. Thank you. Yeah, and that. Yeah. Did you hear that at the end of the show, Don?

Peter Rosenberg (47:48)

Oh, yeah. Let me hear that again.

Alan Hahn (47:49)

Enjoy, Susie.

Peter Rosenberg (47:51)

It doesn't even sound like English. Don, close the show as we.

Alan Hahn (47:55)

Japanese. No, no, that was Japanese. Peter, I. I want you to know that.

Peter Rosenberg (47:59)

Enjoy.

Alan Hahn (47:59)

Japanese. Enjoy Sus. That. That means God bless. God bless.

Don Hahn (48:06)

Nice.

Alan Hahn (48:07)

God bless. Bob, thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

Peter Rosenberg (48:13)

I don't want to know how the.

Alan Hahn (48:14)

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don, Alan and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.