Hour 1: Football Woes

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 1: Football Woes (Dec 8, 2025)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg, minus Don La Greca (who is traveling), dive deep into the ongoing struggles of New York football teams, particularly the Jets, following another dismal showing and a record-breaking streak of playoff futility. Raw, witty, and painfully honest, they commiserate with fellow suffering fans and debate the broader chaos of the current NFL season. Expect plenty of humor, brutal truths, and signature banter on the state of professional football—and being a sports fan in New York.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New York Football Misery – Jets' Abysmal Season

• Hahn opens by questioning, half-joking and half-serious, “Who even likes football?” alluding to how unwatchable the Jets and Giants have become for their fans.
• Discussion centers around the Jets' humiliating loss at home to the Dolphins and what that symbolizes for the franchise. Hahn admits he only watched the first half, stating:

  “There was a million drops. So stop telling me about these wide receivers. Stop telling me about Brady. No, I’m not listening. All I need to see was that first quarter and a defense that didn’t want to tackle … I’m going to make a business decision here …” (03:36)

• Rosenberg parallels his own pain as a fan of other struggling squads, underscoring football's unique ability to “just shove it right where you don’t want it to go. It is so painful to watch a team that is just completely lost and broke … unlike any other sport.” (02:17)

2. Coaching, Effort, and Culture

• Both hosts question the team’s competitive spirit:
  • “They weren’t ready to play mentally. No, that’s it.” – Hahn (05:27)
  • Discuss comments from Aaron Glenn, calling out how a lifeless performance is “on the head coach.” (05:09)
• Rosenberg: “That’s not 21-nothing in the first quarter. That’s not playing for the head coach and this poor tackle.” (07:54)
• Emphasize lack of optimism: “Very difficult to have any optimism until you can get tangible proof that it’s heading in the right direction … being absolutely embarrassed on your home field … unacceptable.” – Hahn (07:10–07:54)

3. Statistical Futility – Historic Jets Drought

• Hahn highlights the grim record:

  “That is now 15 consecutive seasons without a playoff appearance. The most. The longest current streak in professional sports in North America.” (06:04)

  • Comparison with Buffalo Sabres and the Sabres’ own drought. (06:46–07:00)
  • Six straight seasons with double digit losses.
• Rosenberg empathizes, noting fans survive purely for “tailgates, meeting other fans and camaraderie” at this point. (26:07–26:42)

4. Looking Ahead – The Unwatchable Finish & “Simulating” the Season

• The hosts, in gallows humor, “simulate” the Jets’ remaining games, predicting blowout losses and calling to “just sim the rest of the season” like a video game. (09:28–10:41)
• Rosenberg: “You are cooked. … Just run the Madden simulator … Do we need to go through it?” – capturing both resignation and sports-nerd humor. (09:29–09:39)

5. NFL State of Chaos – Which Teams Can Feel Good?

• Rapid-fire review of the rest of the NFL, with Rosenberg and Hahn questioning what, if any, teams’ fans can feel optimistic or confident:
  • “This might be the year … if you’re a team that’s thinking maybe I can sneak to a Super Bowl, this might be the year. Because, listen, I’m not … Chiefs are dead.” – Hahn (19:43–20:04)
  • Teams and fan bases like Denver, Green Bay, Houston, LA Rams cited as “feeling good.” (19:43–21:43)
  • Debate over whether “feeling good” and true confidence are the same, especially with questionable QBs at the helm. (21:16–21:54)

6. “Eulogizing” the Chiefs

• Speculation if Chiefs’ dynasty is done:
  • “Do we eulogize the Chiefs at this point? Like, do we wonder if we’ll ever see them the way they were again? Is this kind of the end of…” – Hahn (22:21–22:29)
  • Witty speculation on player retirements and personal lives: “Travis is … getting married … It’s so dead.” (22:42–22:44)
  • Discussion of Travis Kelce’s struggles and the idea that “once you think about retirement, you’re already retired” (23:27–23:52)

7. Injuries & The Brutality of Football

• Recap of major injuries, including Zach Ertz’s probable career-ending ACL and Daniel Jones’s Achilles, underscoring the harsh realities of the sport. (02:17, 12:05)
• Rosenberg’s frustration with QBs risking injury on low-percentage plays: “Should I be angry that Jaden Daniels got semi hurt chasing down an interception?” (12:23–13:22)
• Hahn: “I would rather … beg you to dial it back than try to get you to ramp it up … I want the guy that just, he only knows one way.” (12:55–13:13)

8. The Fans’ Perspective & Callers

• Callers offer their bleak takes:
  • Moose in Jamaica proposes phrases for the DHR show’s drinking game and shares his unique experience as a Muslim singing Christmas carols in school glee club – leading into dialogue on inclusivity and nostalgia. (34:07–35:05)
  • Brian in Sleepy Hollow, a Jets fan, reflects on why he still sticks with the team: “Childhood, maybe. … I could say that we’re not the Giants and Jets fans. You know, we’re beaten-down people and Giants fans have this, like, smugness to them …” (49:14–49:42)
• Caller Nas in Pine Brook performs a heartfelt (and humorous) Chiefs eulogy, setting a playful yet honest tone (46:46–48:48)

9. DHR Holiday Party & Show Banter

• Extended, humorous riffs about the ESPN New York holiday party, ugly sweaters, and the creation of a Don, Hahn & Rosenberg “drinking game” based on show catchphrases. (29:23–34:07)
• Playful debate about what makes a real “holiday” party and the complexities of branding (“Is it a Christmas card or holiday card?”) (31:15–33:33)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jets Futility:
  • “That is now 15 consecutive seasons without a playoff appearance. The most. The longest current streak in professional sports in North America.” — Alan Hahn (06:04)
• On Painful Fandom:
  • “Football will just shove it right where you don’t want it to go … It is so painful to watch a team that is just completely lost and broke …” — Peter Rosenberg (02:17)
• On Coaching Accountability:
  • “They weren’t ready to play mentally. No, that’s it.” — Alan Hahn (05:27)
• On Losing Hope:
  • “I wanted to care, and I am glad I didn’t. I’m glad I don’t.” — Alan Hahn (06:04)
• On Simulating the Rest of the Season:
  • “Can’t we just sim the rest of the season?” — Alan Hahn (09:29)
  • “It’s my favorite, like a Madden simulator. Just run the…” — Peter Rosenberg (09:36)
• On Chiefs' Possible End:
  • “Do we eulogize the Chiefs at this point? … Is this kind of the end of…” — Alan Hahn (22:21)
  • “Once you think about retirement, you’re already retired. A lot of guys say that.” — Alan Hahn (23:27)
  • “By the way, Mahomes is having another run. He’s so young … This was run one.” — Alan Hahn (48:06)
• On Holiday Banter:
  • “If I reference Jaden Daniels … the Vape Ape days … If Don references, you know, hockey…” — Peter Rosenberg riffing on drinking game (30:53)
• Caller Highlight:
  • “Yes, it’s over. Call it a day. Sorry that it had to end this way. No reason to pretend. We knew it had to end someday.” – Nas in Pine Brook (46:53–47:36)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Jets’ Loss & Utter Futility — 03:34–07:54
• Coaching & Accountability – Aaron Glenn Comments — 05:02–05:27
• 15-Year Playoff Drought — 06:04–07:10
• Jets Fan Experience & Caller Stories — 26:07–26:42, 49:09–50:31
• Simulating the Season / Playful Gallows Humor — 09:29–10:41
• NFL Snapshot – Which Fan Bases Feel Good — 19:43–22:12
• Eulogizing the Chiefs / Dynasty Over? — 22:21–23:52
• Caller Nas — Chiefs Eulogy / Song — 46:46–48:48
• Holiday Party Plans / Drinking Game Riffs — 29:23–34:07

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Tone & Language

The episode is classic New York sports radio: sharp, funny, irreverent, with a strong undercurrent of frustration and gallows humor. Both hosts balance genuine sports analysis and emotional venting with rapid-fire banter and self-deprecating asides, inviting the audience to commiserate, laugh, and, above all, stick together.

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Summary by AI Podcast Summarizer—crafted to serve listeners who missed the show, want the important beats, and love the DHR crew's unique blend of heartbreak and hilarity.

Transcript

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Don doesn't hold a candle to that pumpkin pie haircutting freak. This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.

[Alan Hahn]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.

[Caller]

The best threesome I've ever heard on.

[Alan Hahn]

ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube. Who watches football, really? Let's be honest, like, who even watches. Who even. Who even likes football? I mean, you know, like, it's not like anybody really likes it, right? Like dead to me. The hell is said Just for the example that I need to make clear is this is why I was comfortably numb.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Because I didn't want to feel. Because I didn't believe. And I did. I saw. I knew what I was looking at. Like, this ain't it. It's going to take a while for it to be it. So I'm not going to get myself excited, right? And then this was the one game I said, it's the Dolphins. You're at home.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Dolphins.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, the Gotham City. That look, that's a pretty good look. I liked it. The only good thing, the only redeeming thing about Sunday at 1 o' clock at MetLife Stadium was that look. I like that. The rest of it, no me gusta.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, we'll spend some time there, but I just want to set the table for myself so you know my mood.

[Alan Hahn]

Where are you at?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I made the. I made the Commanders my three point play. Not just because I'm dead anyway and who cares?

[Alan Hahn]

And you're lost in emotion not only.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because of that, but because I honestly felt. Oh, well, Minnesota's not very good. They're playing inside. It's a bounce back spot. They're playing Jaden. Okay, let's see. Not only did Daniels get at least. I don't know if he got hurt, but he got dinged enough that they said that's enough. We're taking him out.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not only did Zach Ertz career end, I mean, that's what happens, I think when you're nearly. When you're 37 years old and you tear your ACL, you probably end your career in a moment. By the way. Brutal hit. I don't know if you saw it awful but it's just a reminder that, like, whatever we think we feel as fans, football will just shove it right where you don't want it to go. Like it is. It is so painful to watch a team that is just completely lost and broke is. It's unlike any other sport. And you got to go through it yesterday and I got to go through it and a bunch of other people got to go through it. And then there are the people at the top of the league get to have fun and it's a great time when your team's doing that.

[Alan Hahn]

Like this is, though, again, it continues to be a weird season in the NFL. Chiefs are dead, right? That we saw.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's. That's.

[Alan Hahn]

We saw Andy Reid make a mistake we've never seen him make before. Right? Think about that. But I couldn't delete that because everybody knows again, the Knicks played yesterday at noon. We'll talk about the Knicks in a moment. On a nice roll here. And they got some injury news to get to. But so I was working and I said, I will DVR this game. Jets, Dolphins. It's the last time I'm going to care this year. But I agreed on Friday I should care because it's the Dolphins. They are. They've won three out of five coming in. The coach is starting to show you something. And I thought, all right, it's a Dolphin team that's feeling better about themselves, playing better.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Clearly not quitting on their coach.

[Alan Hahn]

Nope. So show up and give me something here to believe in, even if they lost. But it was like a hard fought game. Give me something, right? Because I'm being told, you know, you have a coach. Look what this coach is doing. These guys are playing hard for him. Did you see the tackling? I couldn't wait to delete that off my dvr. Couldn't wait. Couldn't do it fast enough. I watched the first half, did not watch the second half. Don't give me Brady. Oh, you got to watch Brady. No, I don't have to watch him. There's a million drops. I saw in the first half. There was a million drops. So stop telling me about these wide receivers. Stop telling me about Brady. No, I'm not listening. What I saw, all I need to see was that first quarter and a defense that didn't want to tackle and a defense that had linebackers that were going like under blocks behind like that. Like, you know, the fake hustle where it's like, here comes hn. All right, I see him, but you know, I'm going To make a business decision here. I'm going to make it look like I'm trying to tackle him, but really, I don't want to tackle him. Like, there was one team that showed up and they were looking to continue to build off some momentum that they have built. Four in a row now, right. For Miami. Miami still in the playoff picture.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Somehow six and seven.

[Alan Hahn]

Somehow they're alive. Six, seven, huh? But the jets were a team that they were playing for pride and playing for the coach and all those things, and you're home and none of it showed in the first quarter. Aaron Glenn said something after the game that I'm glad he said because it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was pretty obvious to me, anytime your team just plays overall like this, that that's how I look at it. So it's not just offense, defense.

[Alan Hahn]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not that special teams. It's man overall, when we don't play up to par. To me, that's the head coach, you know, I got to figure out a way to. To get us to continue to play at a level that we've been playing or exceed that level as we go on the stretch. So again, I have to look at exactly how we. What I did during the week to make sure that that doesn't happen again.

[Alan Hahn]

They weren't ready to play mentally. No, that's it. It was a team that didn't look like this game mattered more. And it was Jets, Dolphins, it's supposed to matter more. Aaron Glenn, of all people, knows what Jets, Dolphins means no matter what the records are. And that team did not play like they had any idea that this had some kind of. They were supposed to have juice to it whatsoever. So it was frustrating. So all you jets fans can be mad at me. Like, it's amazing, too, how it's like, this is all your fault. This is what happened because you were talking up this game as if, like, yeah, I had something to do with it. But you tried.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You tried.

[Alan Hahn]

I wanted to care, and I am glad I didn't. I'm glad I don't. I should say. And that's now, by the way, for those keeping count. Yep. All right. It's fair. I deserve it. But I didn't say they were winning. I said I was gonna watch and care about it. It's the last game I'm going to care about. For those keeping score at home. That is now 15 consecutive seasons without a playoff appearance. The most. The longest current streak in professional sports in North America.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In professional sports.

[Alan Hahn]

Professional sports. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Every.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, Buffalo hasn't gotten there yet. I know they're on their way, but they, they're not there yet. We got to get to April 1st to find out if Buffalo, the Sabres join them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Sabres would tie them.

[Alan Hahn]

Sabers would be at 15 straight years as well. Seasons. But the jets, right, that's hard.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not making the playoffs in hockey, that's hard.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's, that's, that's like something like the odds work against you and to not make the play.

[Alan Hahn]

How about this? They. They once had a guy named Jack Eichel who's pretty good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How'd that work?

[Alan Hahn]

He saw that last night at the Garden. He's not bad. Yeah, you know, they have Tage Thompson, he's pretty good too. But they. Yeah, but anyways, that's where The jets are. 15 years. 15. They've had six straight seasons now in double digit losses. This is where you are. They're at the bottom. But that's my frustration. Very difficult to have any optimism until you can get tangible proof that it's heading in the right direction. And I'm sorry, three out of five going in is one thing, but being absolutely embarrassed on your home field against a division rival. Unacceptable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, I have to say, even I'm disappointed. I had started to, I mean, believe in the jets would be strong, but I had started to accept that this team appears to be playing for the head coach. And I thought that's going to give us something to watch. They're playing a little bit for the head coach. Let's see how this thing goes. And that, that's not 21 nothing in the first quarter. That's not playing for the head coach and this poor tackle. The crazy thing is you saw the same thing from both teams in this town in the same week.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you're right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, you know, in a big spot where you think they're going to show something smoked in the first quarter Monday night.

[Alan Hahn]

J.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, so that's, that's. I don't know what you say about that. No, there's nothing, there's nothing left to watch. There's no quarterback to watch. Tyrod's not worth watching. Cook's not worth watching.

[Alan Hahn]

Tyrod's hurt now. So now you're down to one. You're down to an undrafted free agent quarterback in Brady Cook who by the way throws lasers but guys can't catch them. And there were a lot of drops. It was, it was not good. It's a bad look. But now if, first of all, Justin Fields, we don't know his availability now. Right. Tyrod Taylor's got the groin injury. And this again, I remind everybody that it always gets excited about how Tyrod Taylor should play. Unfortunately later in his career he just is a guy that just. He gets hurt. It happens to not have an emergency situation. Now at quarterback, how are they finishing the season? Who's going to be the quarterback? Is it really going to be Cook? And then what else do you have? If it's Cook and you're going forward with that, so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you're cooked.

[Alan Hahn]

You are cooked. Oh, well said. But I just. Can't we just sim. Sim the rest of the season?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's my favorite, like a Madden simulator. Just run the.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, just sim it. Sim the rest of the year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I can do it for you probably if you want.

[Alan Hahn]

Sim it for me? Yeah, do a quick sim and let's move on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's pretty easy actually. Do we have to go through it? We should write this down. I wonder if we could actually just ourselves simulate this.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep. Here's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's what you have the rest of the way for your, your New York football Jets next week. They're at the Jaguars, by the way.

[Alan Hahn]

They made a statement.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm going to give that. That's going to be a 10 point loss. Done. I don't need to watch it.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's 10 point loss.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Then they're at the Saints who. Who also impressed yesterday. I mean that's a three point loss.

[Alan Hahn]

Three. Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're going to get smoked by the Patriots.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, Lord.

[Peter Rosenberg]

At home. I don't know if the Patriots. Yeah, I guess they'll still be probably dueling with Denver for the conference. So they're going to care. Top seat and they're going to. They're going to lose by, I don't know, 14 at home. And then they're at the Bills.

[Alan Hahn]

That's being nice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then they're at the Bills. And the Bills will need a win to end the season.

[Alan Hahn]

They will need probably to get over.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a bad one, that one, by the way. That one's going to be bad. That's 31 10. They're getting smoked the last week.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh yeah, you think so?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it smoked because the Bills are going to need it.

[Alan Hahn]

You think like fourth quarter. The Bills aren't even playing Josh Allen at that point?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, not at that point. They're celebrating their playoff. They know who they're playing. They're all set up. But I have to imagine the Bills at that point, given where things are. Are going to care The Patriots are still going to care, so they're not going to catch any breaks here down the stretch. The Patriots are 11 and 2, but guess what? The Broncos are 11 and 2. The Bills are 9 and 4. They're going to be dueling for position.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're obviously not winning the division. Head of New England. So that means they're going to be battling with everyone behind them. The Chargers 8 and 4, Texans 8 and 5. Colts are sitting there 8 and 5, though they're probably done now. Minus Daniel Jones, by the way. First person I thought of, Anthony Pusick. I just knew Anthony Pusick was going, oh, no, you don't say Daniel Jones is hurt.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's been his refrain all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was shocked.

[Alan Hahn]

I know you were. I was very surprised. Stunned, if you will. I think you still got to give him the money, though, because he could bounce back. Oh, you mean the Colts. Yeah, the Colts should pay him. I think the Colts got to pay him. Yeah, but like 50 mil a year at least.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's being sarcastic, but you probably do have to pay him. Right? What are they going to do?

[Alan Hahn]

And Anthony Richardson recovery time now look at healthy from that eye injury. Think about it, though. Recovery time for him would be. When would he said. I think I saw something said nine months. That's optimistic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's Achilles or acl.

[Alan Hahn]

Sorry, Achilles.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's Achilles.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. That kills you. Remember, he had the broken leg on one side. Now he's got the Achilles on the other, this guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sorry. Yeah, I was confusing my maimings yesterday. Ertz was Earth was acl. Daniel Jones was Achilles. It's a brutal sport, man.

[Alan Hahn]

It is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's an absolutely brutal sport. Real quick, tell me this, by the way. Should I be angry that Jaden Daniels got semi hurt chasing down an interception? Like, do you like, can you expect a guy to go, no. Or did you look. Or would he have looked terrible? Just stopping running, just saying, I ain't.

[Alan Hahn]

Getting hurt on this play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Instead he sprints, full sprint. And I know where it's going. I know where this is going. And by the way, McLaurin ended up tackling the guy anyway. He wasn't going to.

[Alan Hahn]

But do you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you get mad at a player for not knowing?

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If they're playing, they're got to be.

[Alan Hahn]

I would rather. I beg you to dial it back than try to get you to ramp it up. That's. I rather that I don't want a player that has that switch inside and.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They turn it off in a game.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, I don't want that guy. I want the guy that just. He only knows one way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which, by the way, which then makes you question coaching, which is, well, should you have a guy in where if he gets blocked really hard, you're going to have to take him back out of the game?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Where's the season going at this point? He's the one that's, I want to play. I want to play. And you understand that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But this is what coaches have to do. This is. This is what makes it hard, man. This is what makes coaching hard.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, you know, at least with the Jets, 15 straight years, they have not made the playoffs. You wish you could just change everything. You wish you could just take another franchise and just put it right on top of the jets and start fresh. You can't do that with the jets, but you can do that with your bathroom.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, for people who are worried right now, Don will join us today.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, you haven't heard his voice yet. Yes, because he is landing in Ottawa.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like you dream about. Actually, he did dream about.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, if you guys, if you're a hockey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, literally, in Don's case, he's landing in Ottawa as the voice of a TV voice of a hockey game.

[Alan Hahn]

This is such a good mood today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is going to Ottawa later. This is literally what he dreamed about. So. But he will be on the show after 4:00'.

[Alan Hahn]

Clock. Yeah. Once they get there, Right. They got to get the. The team boss has to get to the hotel. Then they get to the hotel, get himself set up and we're looking at 4 o'. Clock. So of course you hear. You will hear the dulcet tones of Don McGregor for the most show. That's right. We also speaking to say his name. How about some Dan Hurley, want to talk some college hoops?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, if it's. If it's an opportunity to talk to Dan Hurley, I'm in.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Dan Hurley, Yukon coach. They have the Jimmy V Classic at the Garden tomorrow. The rematch with them in Florida tomorrow at the Garden. So Dan Hurley is going to join us. Noted Bengals fan, by the way. And may I point out that the Bengals covered for me and what a weekend your boy had. I mean, if no one's going to say it for me, I guess why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Would I say it for you?

[Alan Hahn]

That is a six point weekend. Three. And oh, what a return. What a comeback for me. Massive.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I tightened this thing down. I got it to two now.

[Alan Hahn]

You were right on my tail. You know what you did? You made me better. You made me work harder. I'm looking in the river going, oh, wait, this guy's on my tail. I got to turn it up. I got to stop messing around. I got to get serious. That's a serious weekend.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I got it to two Steelers. Oh, Steelers just cover.

[Alan Hahn]

They won. Yeah. Love that. And by the way, the Bills.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And now it's.

[Alan Hahn]

You talk about the Bills. They were up against it with Cincinnati. Is Joe Burrow that good of a quarterback? Yeah, that, like, just takes a team that can't get out of its own way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I've been saying he's. He could be the best. He's right there. I've said he's the best before. He's. He's.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't think you're crazy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's.

[Alan Hahn]

He's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, his issue is durability and it's in the snow. It's a nasty game.

[Alan Hahn]

And he.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he's still. He's still Joe Cool.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he's the. He's the dude.

[Alan Hahn]

Real deal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ravens are cooked looks. Although they did have a touchdown taken off the board late that year. That's tough, man. It's a fan. It's a. It's a. It's a. An absolutely insanely intriguing NFL season.

How did. How did Vegas know when that line was six and a half? How did they know it was going to come down to a touchdown and you're watching the end of the game. And they're just trading touchdowns. And I'm going, well, the line. Six and a half. And I have Chicago. And it would have meant a lot for me to at least get one. Keep it at five. I mean, keep it at seven. Not let you completely. And. And then they just exchange touchdowns.

[Alan Hahn]

Wild game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Vegas just knows. And they win by seven.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But Green Bay's in great shape right now. Seems like they're. They're hitting their stride at the right time.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep. Health is everything. 800-919-3776. By the way, you should know the number by now. Get into the conversation. Certainly with us. But it is. It is a burning question because again, I think we can eulogize the jets officially now. Not that it's a big surprise. We knew they weren't making the playoffs, but they weren't officially eliminated until this loss. And it was a humiliating loss. Aaron Glenn owned it. I'm glad he did. It's the right thing to do. But it does also speak to just how far away they are. What they've done over the last couple of weeks. You don't take it away. They did win three. But the way you look in a game that should have mattered to your team, that says a lot more about what's happening in the locker room. The lack of talent you have, and maybe also just the lack of guys who understood the moment. Like, it's your last important game you're going to play. Think about it. It's the last important game you're going to play, and you couldn't tackle. You couldn't stop the run to see. Seriously, just, just. I can only imagine, like, I didn't get to hear Bart today. I can only imagine how disgusted Bart was because the defense was so bad. Don't talk to me about the offense. Yes, there were drops. Yes. Again, you had to go down to Brady Cook as your quarterback. Some wanted to see him. Well, there you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You.

[Alan Hahn]

You might see more of them. But when you're a defense and your head coach is a defense guy. Yeah. And your defense looks like they're not interested in tackling.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

That tells me a lot about a culture you're trying to build that just is not there yet. And whatever was going on before that, the last couple of wins might have felt a little fugazi now. So they are far, far away. But as you look around the NFL, we were just talking about it. Peter who. What fan base could possibly sit back and feel comfortable about their team? I love the way my team's playing them right now. Who could say that right now?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, Denver and New England.

[Alan Hahn]

New England for sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Denver, you feel pretty good.

[Alan Hahn]

Denver, you don't think. Denver, you're a little bit worried. You know, Bo Nix is like, he's all right, but is he. Is he. That this is the league to strike? This is the year to strike. If you're a team that's thinking, maybe I can sneak to a Super bowl, this might be the year. Because, listen, I'm not. Chiefs are dead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not telling you who's going to win the championship.

[Alan Hahn]

All right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm simply telling you which fan bases are happy right at this moment.

[Alan Hahn]

Madrid, you're 100% right. Right now, you're.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Denver's happy. They. They didn't expect to be here at this point. They're 11 and 2 already.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on. Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's the kid. The kid's just getting started.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think. I think Texan fans are excited to be at 8 and 5 and in the playoffs right now.

[Alan Hahn]

Really starting to show you something too. Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And coming along, Chiefs, whatever.

[Alan Hahn]

The Chief, that's a big win.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Rams do what good teams do late against bad teams. Smoke them. And they're tops of the conference at 10 and 3. Packers fans got to feel great.

[Alan Hahn]

Feel great?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

You think great?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think great at this moment. They want to in a row. They beat Detroit on Thanksgiving, then they beat Chicago. No, you're feeling great.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you're feeling like. You're feeling like if we are going to be the team that can challenge the Rams for the conference. I think that's how you feel if you're a Packers fan.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay. All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, you love. If you're the Packers. You would love if the Rams would just lose another game or two and get home field.

[Alan Hahn]

Make it. Make it interesting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, if the Rams get to play in LA and throughout the playoffs, I really like. Devonte Adams is doing sicko things this year.

[Alan Hahn]

Warm weather.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So they get. They get to play in warm weather. Are you. I mean, are you seeing what he's doing?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is so. I don't.

[Alan Hahn]

You want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you're Green Bay, you're thinking, how could we do that? But you still feel pretty good. Oh, Seattle fans feel good.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There are teams that feel good.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I mean? Look, look, there's feel good and then there's. I like. I like where I'm at. But do you really trust. Like, is Sam Darnold like you mentioned Sam Darnold Bo Nix, Jordan Love. These are quarterbacks that you're wondering, like, if I'm a Rams fan. Matthew 7. I know he can do it. He's done it. I've seen it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're asking two quite different questions.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, well, no, but that's a big part of it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're saying, do you feel good or do you. Do you feel confident? That's different.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, for me, feeling good is feeling confident.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but if you're the Seahawks, you weren't expecting to be here. So you're feeling good. This is fun. This is amazing.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay. I don't think you're feeling good or confident if you're Tampa Bay right now. This isn't where they wanted to be at this stage in the season. When the year started, I don't think they felt 7 and 6 in the middle of the pack kind of fighting to stay alive. I don't think that's what they thought. But they've been beat up throughout the year.

[Alan Hahn]

What are you going to do? Have been. Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Chiefs fans feel horrible. And yet you could be a Dolphins fan at 6 and 7 and feel great, at least relative to where they were.

[Alan Hahn]

Do we eulogize the Chiefs at this point? Like, do we wonder if we'll ever see them the way they were again? Is this kind of the end of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you want to play on the way back? Do you want to play Barbra Streisand the way. The way we were? Because it is feeling like.

[Alan Hahn]

Or end of the road, boys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh. Or could it be end of the road?

[Alan Hahn]

Because think about it. Travis is. He's getting married.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, we know it's over. Oh, it's so dead.

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

So dead.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, do you see the. Like he did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Your texts are going green. Travis's friends phone when they text after the summer green. Nothing back. I guarantee it. Did you see. And by the way, it's another Travis drop that leads to an interception in the game. This is like.

[Alan Hahn]

That was the first game for that week one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Week one.

[Alan Hahn]

Didn't he have that awful, like, out of his hand?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And those aren't. That's not the only one. He had one against us, too. Against the commanders. It's happened. He's probably done. There might be up to four or five of those this year off his hands for interception.

[Alan Hahn]

And that's not. I mean, he's got again, he. One of the tight ends in. One of the great tight ends in history, probably with some of the best hands for a tight end.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he knew he came Back to right last year. And he should have just left with the Super Bowl.

[Alan Hahn]

Walk away in the super bowl now. Super bowl, you're not even.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're going home.

[Alan Hahn]

You're done.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is it going to force you to play one more?

[Alan Hahn]

There's no way. No. No way could they retool. When you think about retirement, I've heard this many athletes say this. The minute you start considering retirement, you're already retired. A lot of guys say that. When someone brings it up, the other guys will tell them, you should retire now because you've already thought about it. Once you think about it, that means.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You'Re already kind of half out, by the way. Unless you're Brady and Gronk, in which case you could think about it, you could write about it, you could talk about it, come back and win a Super Bowl. No big deal. But for most mortal people, I think you're right.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, I'm going to say something nice. You don't expect to get this on a Monday. I heard there was a portion I heard on Fox yesterday of Gronk talking in which he was not a complete buffoon and moron. I was like, you know what? Okay, I'm a. I heard a little bit of football analysis.

[Alan Hahn]

Do we have any. Can we share? We have a little bit we can dig up because I'm curious.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It wasn't terrible.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm curious. I want to play the game of Russ versus Jameis.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I haven't heard any yet. No. Do we have. Do we have any of that? Can we get any.

[Alan Hahn]

We could get some Russ vs. Jameis. Play a game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I. We need to find. I heard nothing from either.

[Alan Hahn]

I think Russ vs. Jameis would be a fun game to play during the NFL binge.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We could binge. Or if it's not. If it's too soon, if it needs to be enn. But I would love. We should get something.

[Alan Hahn]

None of that is cleared, but I'll look.

[Peter Rosenberg]

None of it is clear. Can we try to clear it?

[Alan Hahn]

Why don't we just play it and then if we get yelled at to slap on the wrist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're not. We're not. That's not the way we operate here. 1, 2, 3. Not the way I operate.

[Alan Hahn]

You can operate however you want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was being. When I said we, I meant you.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I want to take the credit for this. Yeah, you get all the credit to New York athletes. We have to talk about them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's such a. I just want to know when we do this because we're on espn. So we have to. Every other sports talk show in the country. Doesn't matter. They just play the clips, right? No one does anything. No one care. Fox and CBS put them on TV yesterday. They know people are consuming.

[Alan Hahn]

It's on social media, doesn't it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's on social media.

[Alan Hahn]

Clear. It's all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's clear.

[Alan Hahn]

Was it used anywhere on ESPN so far? Maybe. Get up, maybe first take.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that. No, probably.

[Alan Hahn]

McAfee.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the thing. You want to just not think about that. You just want to power through and do it.

[Alan Hahn]

Just. Just do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do they do? Who's noticing? Who's listening to us?

[Alan Hahn]

To answer your question, if it's on social media, that does not mean it's cleared by us. No, no, that is not how that works.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What if I play it off social media on my phone, through the mic?

[Alan Hahn]

I will make sure to let John know Peter did this. And you were like, I didn't know the mic was on. Which we did last week. We got caught in a hot mic situation. All right, we're gonna have a team meeting about this. 800. I went 9 3-776. We'll get your calls stacked up and ready to go. The jets, of course. 15, I mean, 15 straight years without a playoffs guys, that's hard to do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's impressive.

[Alan Hahn]

And I had. You know what? It's for jets fans, we almost need to come together and hug it out. Because honestly, as I was, I was having an exchange with a Jets fan on Twitter because he had the great jersey. God help us. The 00 jersey on the back. That's what it says. God help us. And he said it's now it's no longer about worrying about the jets winning or losing. It's about tailgates and, you know, meeting other fans and having a good time with them every Sunday. And I'm like, you know what? That's all we got left is the camaraderie. So if you're still a Jets fan today, we should discuss why you continue to be a Jets fan. Because 15 years, nobody should have to go through something like that. As you know, managing maintenance, repair and operations is never easy. But for the ones who always rise to the challenge, Grainger has your back. From professional grade products you can count on to fast, dependable delivery. They're there to help you keep things running smoothly. Plus, their technical product specialists are here to help answer your toughest questions. And because Grainger knows safety is always a priority, they. They're committed to being your partner in protecting both your people and your facilities. Call 1-800-granger. Click granger.com or just stop by. Hey, Ryan Reynolds here wishing you a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Very happy half off holiday because right.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

To be clear, that's half price, not half the service.

[Alan Hahn]

Mint is still premium unlimited wireless for a great price. So that means a half day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Trucks are known for their dependability.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

In 2025, according to J.D. power.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because in every Chevy truck, like every.

[Alan Hahn]

Chevy driver, dependability comes standard.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Visit Chevy.com to learn more. Chevrolet received the highest total number of awards among all the trucks in the J.D.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Visit J.D. power.com awards for more details.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Chevrolet Together, let's drive.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the kind of vibe we're gonna have be throwing down this Friday. The ESPN New York Holiday Party is Friday, guys. It's not just me, Alan and Don. It's also Michael K all hanging out at your mother's house in Garden City Park, Long Island. This Friday, December 12th. We're collecting toys. It starts at 1 o'. Clock. We're gonna be there through our show. Is that a 6:30 vehicle or 7:00 clock?

[Alan Hahn]

There's no Knicks game. I don't think the Rangers. That's a seven.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh thank God.

[Alan Hahn]

All the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, perfect.

[Alan Hahn]

Take it all the way home.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So all the way up till 7 o' clock, we're gonna be hanging out. So come hang out with us on Friday at our holiday party. It's brought to you by Amazon Pickup, Security Dodge and Spiked Aid. Made for big city social stamina. And has anyone made the board yet for the DHR drinking game?

[Alan Hahn]

You know what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Have we seen any progress?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, who's on it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No one cares about anybody. Listen, why does no one care.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not that. I think that's what upsets me. Don't get upset. It's probably more of an effort thing. Who wants to take the lead?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm looking at YouTube chat.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, boy. Calling you out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Someone's got. No, it's got to be someone calling you out.

[Alan Hahn]

Who's going to make the board with all the sayings? What is it? We need nine, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, nine would be good. Just three for each.

[Alan Hahn]

Just a tic tac toe board. Kind of do it like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a tic tac toe board. Yeah, sure. Is that how it works?

[Alan Hahn]

No, but that's. That sounds good to do it. Nine is anything more than nine is crazy. I don't even know if we have nothing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it's. And it's just things that you think we would say that people could, you know, that's likely to either be said or happen during the show. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Things that are said. Often phrases. Whatever it is. Or even a drop that we play a lot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it can't be just a.

[Alan Hahn]

Not a drop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I mean, if you. You mean if you hear it, everybody. I guess you could like if you.

[Alan Hahn]

Were to hear, you know, Banks. That's cool, man. Yeah. Thank you. Ever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everyone drinks the most gentle.

[Alan Hahn]

Thank you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what's a good one?

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe not, though, because you can't hear it in the bar. The drops are hard to hear in the bar.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a good point.

[Alan Hahn]

So it's got to be one that just have something we say. Those are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's got to be things we say. Like Alan references his days as a reporter.

[Alan Hahn]

Now I'll. Well, especially if we get some of the guests I'm hoping to bring in, there'll be a lot of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, oh.

[Alan Hahn]

A lot of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's going to be a reminisce.

[Alan Hahn]

Reminisce. A lot of reminisce.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, if there's a. If I reference Jaden Daniels, if, you know, if I talk about the Vape Ape days. Mate, whatever. The thing is, if. Yo, yo, monkey boy. He wanted me to jump up and make the jokey jokey so the people go. Laugh time. If Don references, you know, hockey. No, that's not even.

[Alan Hahn]

No, he always talks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It has to be more than that. But you get the idea.

[Alan Hahn]

So I was also thinking, you know, it'd be fun if we did. You know how every family does a Christmas card or a holiday card and it's all pictures of everybody in the. In the family? Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

And you send it Out. What if we did one? Ooh. But a Repug version of each one of us. Because we all have a Repug version of our. So I love that there's Repug Dawn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

I've already shown you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Rappug Han and Rappug Peter is definitely a thing. I got. I got plenty.

[Alan Hahn]

Jake, do you ever Repug Jacob? Probably not, because he's still good looking. He's probably never had a Repug anything in his life.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't have to lie to the guy.

[Alan Hahn]

What do you mean? He's always in great shape. He's in good shape.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's not that good looking. Wow. Well, I'm just being honest. Alan calling you good looking.

[Alan Hahn]

He's got a good. It was a stretch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a stretch.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, Wait a minute. Hang on a second. I think I look good, but I'm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Calling me good looking.

[Alan Hahn]

It's an overall thing. No, he's challenging.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jacob's fine. He pulls the package.

[Alan Hahn]

He's got to make it work. He does. Does he? Pulls what together?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You get what I'm saying?

[Alan Hahn]

I'm just saying that every day he looks good. That makes you good looking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but to say that. To say that he is beyond Republic.

[Alan Hahn]

Did you say handsome?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. No, you said beyond. You said he probably never had Repug. I'm willing to because he tries really hard. Jacob, there was a Repug error.

[Alan Hahn]

Did you have a Repug error?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, say, by the way, that could mean he's in it right now. He might not even know. You could look back and be like, this was my Repug era. Which, by the way, is promising for his future.

[Alan Hahn]

You would hope.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what I mean? So that would mean you have a really good piercing.

[Alan Hahn]

Did you have a Repug era at all? Are you not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think I ever left.

[Alan Hahn]

Are you in?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. I'm about to say, have you seen the pusick?

[Alan Hahn]

He's never.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's. He is the Repug era.

[Alan Hahn]

He is the Repug era. So do you like this idea?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do.

[Alan Hahn]

We should tell Jake about it. Not our Jake, but our Jake that does social. Yeah, and let's do a Repug, Chris.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A merry Repug Christmas. Although, guess what? Then it Once. Once. Once Anthony finds out that we're calling it a Christmas card, he's gonna have to go to John.

[Alan Hahn]

Get it clear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hold on. Then John's gonna hear that we use, like, a religious phrase. He's gonna call his boss. Hold on. Then Justin is gonna call Mike Foss.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mike. Before you know it, Mickey Mouse. Himself will find out that we use the word Christmas. We have to run it up every level.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So let's just call it holiday and spare ourselves. Listen, and I want to tell you right now.

[Alan Hahn]

I slip, it's on me. No, no. I always say Christmas. I say holiday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm wrong, I'm dead. Listen, we.

[Alan Hahn]

What's our party again on Friday?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's it called?

[Alan Hahn]

There you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It ain't a Christmas party.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, when I say Merry Christmas, you know, it doesn't matter if you celebrate it or not. Just have one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a day.

[Alan Hahn]

Season.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's the season.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a day. Have it. You can have it. You can share.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm putting up lights no matter what.

[Alan Hahn]

Not a boy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I always do.

[Alan Hahn]

But let's. Let's take some calls. Let's put up some calls. 800-919.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Put some calls on the board.

[Alan Hahn]

3776. You know what? I want to start with Moose in Jamaica because.

Because I like what he likes to talk about. Moose.

[Caller]

What's going on? Good afternoon. Real quick for the drinking game. Don saying at the end of the day. And anybody who says it's all about winning. That should be on the board. Okay, but for the holiday thing. I grew up Muslim. But since I was in Glee club in fifth and sixth grade I went to recitals and weekends and sung at auditoriums. I know all the Christmas carols like by heart. It's. I never forgot them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's ridiculous.

[Caller]

I randomly start singing in the street. Were you the season to be jolly?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Were you the only Muslim in Glee Club?

[Caller]

Probably not. I. It was elementary school so I haven't seen those people. My God knows.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it would make. Whether you were or not. It makes the great name for a biography.

[Alan Hahn]

That is true.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The only Muslim. No it's a. It's a great like just making your biography. You know what.

[Alan Hahn]

Honestly, that's a. That's a book that if you wrote it to the right age group would. Every school school would demand. They're like sixth grade. Gotta read it on the reading list.

[Peter Rosenberg]

On the book list until. Until it would get canceled. I'll think about it would get considered woke reading.

[Alan Hahn]

They would burn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They take it off the shelves. But I think it sounds like a great story.

[Caller]

Oh man. So yeah. That being said my. My opinion is unpopular for the. The whole Shador and well and I always felt the giants should have taken shadow third overall.

But, but, but, but. But at the same time I'm happy with dart. I'm content. He turned out to be good. It's just that his availability and overall just boneheadedness of just not trying to preserve with the fighter another down and combine that with Shadow. Like Shador was in passing academies and camps with Tom Brady. Where's his number?

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Caller]

Taught the poise, taught the understanding. Not like you can see he's a baller in that aspect. So I was. And to. To solidify my point as a Giants fan, I'd rather take Shadow third overall, not draft Carter, have the draft capital that we traded to get dart with still in our possession to build on more to the future. Well, that's my only point. I'm saying it.

[Alan Hahn]

I will bookmark this and let's revisit next year before you want to say that. Don't. Don't write that in pen right now. But you can say it now. You could say it now and you can write it in pencil because of all the things that you know right at this moment. But I'm. I am. Like, as much as I'm disgusted about the jets, of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

As you should be.

[Alan Hahn]

Shadar Sanders is making a lot of people look dumb and making a lot of other people look smart. Is he not?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, who's he making look smart?

[Alan Hahn]

Just you. Those. No. Mel Kuiper.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, Mel was on board.

[Alan Hahn]

There are other people who thought, no, no, this guy's legit, man. You just got to bring him in. You got to be able to deal with all the things that come with it. Of course. But if you have, like, if you're an organization that has, like, a strong foundation and strong leadership, you don't worry about things like, whoa, you know, his dad might be a distraction. By the way, was his dad a big distraction this year in Cleveland?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I haven't heard.

[Alan Hahn]

No, he was not. So how about this? I know. You're going to tell me. It's against the Titan. You're right, it is. Against the Titans. The Titans are their cheeks. I get it. But it's still an NFL game against NFL players. He did something that hasn't been done since 1950. In this game, he did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, he was the first Brown to go for over 303 TDs and a Russian touchdown.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, it's a fakacta stat, but.

[Alan Hahn]

Why is it for cocktail? Well, it's just. I'm sorry. Quarterbacks back in the 50s weren't running for touchdowns either.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's a. It's a. Listen, it's a good.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a very good step.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't even know if they had a Ford pass back then, I'm not sure, but.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, no, no. But it's less about the NFL and more about the Browns.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

A franchise that has never gotten it. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, I'm in lockstep with you right now. What they did in an era where.

[Alan Hahn]

Quarterbacks do have the. Oh, by the way, what was the knock on Sanders? Well, he's not a very good athlete. He doesn't run well. He looked pretty good. He has good feel in the pocket. He feels the pressure coming. He's elusive without being quick and fast. He's not Lamar Jackson. He's not some of these other. He's not Cam Ward. He's not an athlete like them. But you know what? Neither is Patrick Mahomes. But Mahomes also has that spidey sense where he gets the goosebumps on his neck when he knows he's about to get crushed and he gets out of it. Does he? The one interception was him trying to do too much. That's fine. But I loved how he played. He looked really good and I don't know why he wasn't on the field for the two point conversion. That makes no sense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's the. Him not being on the field for.

[Alan Hahn]

The two point conversion is that tanking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's shameful.

[Alan Hahn]

We don't want to win.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I can't say that because they didn't do it with him earlier in the year too. Since game one, they've been pulling him out in these goal line situations.

[Alan Hahn]

Why?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's been the best player for you today. Why are you taking the ball out of his hands with one play left?

[Alan Hahn]

They just said he'll be QB1 for the rest of the year. Now he's going to take it home.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you can't. I'm sorry. You can't have a QB one who doesn't play on the most important plays of the game.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I'm saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know you have a good running back, but what are we talking about? What are we doing?

[Alan Hahn]

First of all, the play they called was supposed to be like a crazy exchange.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Talk about fakaki. What are you doing?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that didn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What weird reverse are you running?

[Alan Hahn]

It was a backyard play that. That should have stayed in the backyard. The other two point conversion did not go well. No, it did not go well. So I don't know if maybe they thought let's try something else. Whatever it was, didn't happen. But he's going to finish the season and how many people at the start of the year thought Sanders will be the quarterback to finish the year for the Cleveland Browns and guess what? He is. But we also know that they are not going to get rid of Deshaun Watson. The plan is that he will play next year. So what do they do with Shador Sanders? And does a team look at some of this tape now the rest of the way, if he keeps showing you signs like this, is he a perfect finished product? Of course not. He's a rookie. No rookie is a perfect finished product. But is there something to work with? His accuracy is very good, like we saw in college. He has a poise about him in the pocket and he has feel for when the pocket's closing on getting out of it before it's too late. There's a lot of good things here. He is a good quarterback who has a chance. Is there a team that would approach the Browns and say, you know, we'll give you a draft pick for him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I bet you Shador Sanders is a Brown. Yeah, and I'll tell you where I'll.

[Alan Hahn]

Be the odds on that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the vibe. This is the vibe. We're on Friday. Your mother's house. Long island, baby.

[Alan Hahn]

How many. How many Long island people can we get to come to this thing? Well, you know, we know a lot of big Long island names. No, you're.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're working on some. I, I, I want to see what.

[Alan Hahn]

Who's around.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, here's the thing here. Here's my one concern.

[Alan Hahn]

What's your concern?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You and I. You and I are of the exact same mindset. It's a holiday party. They don't. We don't need. Respectfully. And I love the man. He's a bad example because he'd be fun no matter what. But we don't. We don't need Buster only. Right. We don't need.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, of course. Unless, you know, like, Buddy Bellinger signs with somebody New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Then we'd love to have bus.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But what I'm saying is we don't need sports experts that day. We need fun.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a Christmas party.

[Alan Hahn]

We don't need the Renan Samin duo. Like. Yeah. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not that Renan's not a great club.

[Alan Hahn]

Again, we love them both. Samini's best Long island guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

We leverage. But yes. You're saying. Yeah. I'm feeling the same way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like we.

[Alan Hahn]

If it's a party, this needs to be a variety show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. So we say you and I feel that way. Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Sweater. Yet you have a stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't have a sweater. Are we doing stupid sweaters?

[Alan Hahn]

I am not stupid.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you're doing a sweater thing.

[Alan Hahn]

I got something. It's funny.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don always wears A fakacta.

[Alan Hahn]

He's got his suit. When is he going to just dress his Santa? No, just one year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know, a whole full Santa suit.

[Alan Hahn]

Do it. This would be the year he's got the beard now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a really good point by you, but anyways, you and I are on the same page, but I feel like I could maybe pull out a hip hop person that you and I would think is fun. But then is Don gonna feel left out? You know, And.

[Alan Hahn]

And what if we did a hip hop person and then a hockey person?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, who's the. A hockey. Like. Like a player?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of some sort.

[Alan Hahn]

Something like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he. So at least he has something that he's.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just want him to feel left out.

[Alan Hahn]

Something for everyone. Isn't that how it's holiday supposed to be? Yeah, right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, because, listen, Al, the truth of the show is Alan's the most. I consider myself fairly diverse, but Alan's the most diverse music listener in that he can talk about random old references to like the 50s with Don or 60s or whatever.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then knows hip hop references all the way up to like the 2010s. Don has, like, literally. Don's very diverse in his old music taste. But then when it gets modern, and particularly hip hop, I mean, he literally knows, like, we. Jacob, you and I could sit here and count and come up with every rap song. Don knows. Like we know it. If we start thinking through it. We know. I know there's two Ice Tea songs.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm just thinking of Ice T, Ice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cube and maybe a Snoop Dogg song. We know there's. It Was a Good Day.

[Alan Hahn]

He's got to know. What? Jay Z. We know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

New Jack Hustler. He'll know. Empire State of Mind.

[Alan Hahn]

He knows. Eminem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. What? Eight Mile. He'll know. He'll know that one.

[Alan Hahn]

That's it. Lose yourself, Lose Yourself.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He'll know.

[Alan Hahn]

Lose yourself. He knows Lose Yourself.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but we could count through. It's like. It's like 10.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, he would count the pe. Anthrax collab.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He might know that.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. Bring the noise. He probably wouldn't count that one. Maybe. Maybe King or Rock just. Just be so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maybe. But we've never talked about it.

[Alan Hahn]

But I would think he would walk this way. He knows that. Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Walk this way for sure. So I just. I just don't want him to end up feeling like, you know.

[Alan Hahn]

You think? Yeah, well, that's fine. Look, I don't want anyone to feel anything but jolly and happy and excited.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The word jolly connotes Christmas, and now we got to run that up the pole again. So Anthony is sending an email right now.

[Alan Hahn]

What am I supposed to say? You know, Bart used to do this to me. I would say things. He's like, nope, that's not what we say. Yeah, I don't know. What am I doing wrong?

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, I hope everyone knows I'm being sarcastic. I'm a big Christmas guy. One of the biggest Christmas guys in the business.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I heard.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, let's talk to the people, shall we?

[Alan Hahn]

We shall continue to, because next up, we have Nas in Pine Brook.

[Caller]

Nas, what's up? I was listening to the chief banter earlier.

[Alan Hahn]

Eulogy.

[Caller]

And like Dave and Don, I like to watch the games on my own. My husband came in, two minutes left to play. It was pretty grim. Patrick sitting on the sidelines. And I'm thinking the silver lining is I don't have to hear my favorite show disparage my favorite team. So there is that. But I immediately looked at him and said this. Yes, it's over. Call it a day. Sorry that it had to end this way. No reason to pretend. We knew it had to end someday. So, Pete, can we get a dead or alive on the improbable? Johnny Mathis and Denise Wood.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was beautiful.

[Alan Hahn]

Fantastic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was. I. I loved everything about that call. And the answer is dead.

And you're right. It had to end at some point. And then here we go. But it's like. It's a hell of a run, though. I can't really feel sad.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a setback for the next comeback because the great franchise.

[Caller]

Looking at a poster with four super bowl championships on it, I can't complain.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, Mahomes is having another run. He's so young.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, this was. This was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Run one.

[Alan Hahn]

That's the best part of this for you, Nas, is that what this really is is sort of like this. Yeah, you're taking a little break. They'll. They have to reset the roster. But you have a quarterback that's very much in his prime, which means there's a lot of tread left on the tire, which means he can have another run before it's all. It's over for him. So all this is right now is. You know what? Now in February. You don't have to. You don't have to worry. You have nothing to plan for, nothing to worry about. Just sit back, relax, enjoy it, and then know that in some point, at some point, they'll. They'll have another run, so. Oh, I'm sorry, Nas. I thought we were done. I did not mean to cut her off, by the way. Not bad vocals.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I wasn't mad. I wasn't mad at all at the performance.

[Alan Hahn]

That was pretty impressive. Should we take one more? Should we just get ourselves ready for a binge? We can take. I'm told we can take one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We got room for one.

[Alan Hahn]

So how about we go to Brian in Sleepy Hollow? Brian. How's it going, guys? Good. Alan, you asked, like, what.

[Caller]

What's good about being a Jet fan or why I'm staying a Jet fan?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know.

[Caller]

Childhood, maybe. It's not getting easy, but I actually, mercifully, I was driving back from D.C. yesterday and didn't catch the game. Just getting my, you know, blown up. But also, I could say that we're not the Giants and Jets fans. You know, we're beating down people and Giants fans have this, like, smugness to them where, you know, I. I'm not with it.

[Alan Hahn]

So. So you're more concerned about the jets and Giants and who sucks more at this point. Like, at least they have a quarterback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's true.

[Alan Hahn]

It's true. I mean, I switched places in a heartbeat. Yeah, but of course, you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I called Friday.

[Caller]

You said, no Mendoza.

[Alan Hahn]

Now.

[Caller]

We might get a shot of him now. He might get. If we. I.

[Alan Hahn]

The Giants right now, listen, the Giants right now have the number one pick, just so you know. Thank you, Brian. They know because there's. I think there's two teams now tied at the top and then there's like three teams tied for the second. Like, so obviously there's. It all has to be worked out. But, I mean, the kid did have an unbelievable upset win over Ohio State. Indiana is now number one in the country.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's.

[Alan Hahn]

That's. Maybe there is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maybe there's a little more.

[Alan Hahn]

But if we have the audio. His post game on the field.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's the issue?

[Alan Hahn]

It was a lot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was it a span vehicle? It's a great question because if so, I'll get it for nn. If not, you're reported for even bringing this up and you get a demerit.

[Alan Hahn]

We'll have to just read it verbatim.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the best we could do.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN. The ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.