Don LaGreca (1:44)

I need low management. I'm gonna tell you, forget the physical part of it. These guys are athletes. They. They know what you do is harder. And I'm going to tell you why.

Alan Hahn (1:54)

Why?

Don LaGreca (1:55)

Because you got to be on before the game for a half hour. You got to be on after the game for a half hour. You work halftime.

Don LaGreca (2:04)

Right. And you've got prep.

Alan Hahn (2:07)

Oh, I got prep.

Don LaGreca (2:08)

Listen, you. I'm going to say this and this is not. I'm not throwing any shade at the Knicks. You will prepare harder for the game tonight. Wow. Than they will for the Hornets.

Peter Rosenberg (2:18)

Wow, that's. That's tough.

Don LaGreca (2:19)

You know what they're prepped for the Hornets. Get some sleep.

Alan Hahn (2:23)

Right.

Don LaGreca (2:23)

You had to get. You got to break down numbers. You got to know, you know, Knicks record back to back. What's their record against the Hornets over the last couple of years? Like you got to break it down. You know what they had to do. Go to sleep, get some rest, get the Hornets coming up.

Alan Hahn (2:36)

Right. Show up before the game, do a little walk through.

Don LaGreca (2:38)

That's it.

Alan Hahn (2:38)

Although.

Peter Rosenberg (2:39)

Although a little.

Don LaGreca (2:40)

And what are you doing before you're not. You know what Your walkthrough is? 3 and a half hours of radio.

Alan Hahn (2:45)

That's right.

Peter Rosenberg (2:45)

That's a great point, by the way.

Alan Hahn (2:47)

But that's what we're here for.

Peter Rosenberg (2:48)

I will say though, this, this hornet skin gets a little more important with the Knicks losing to the Celtics last night. Alan, not what you're looking for?

Alan Hahn (2:56)

Yeah, that, that was. I told you, like, there's something about this team that's bothering me defensively and, and you know, physicality wise. Like, like their offense at times can look just magnificent and. But like I just keep saying to myself, but there's something missing. Can I just say we're 20 games in now, so I can make declarations now. I can do it. Because 20 games, you get a feel for everybody in the league and the teams and everything else.

Alan Hahn (3:23)

There's only one championship roster in this league. It's in Oklahoma City. Like everybody else is kind of playing for second or staying in it to see if, you know, can Oklahoma City be healthy for another full year. That's really what you're looking at because I'm telling you right now, there's nobody beating that team in a seven game series. Nobody.

Don LaGreca (3:42)

And that's so weird. It's so weird you say that because you can, you can make the same case right now for the Avalanche in the NHL. Yeah, one regulation loss, they're smacking everybody around. Right.

Don LaGreca (3:55)

It's incredible the kind of season they're having, but it doesn't work that way in hockey. It usually works that way in basketball, but it doesn't necessarily work that way in hockey. Dallas is a close second, but they're both in the Western Conference. So it feels like, you know what, if there's a champion based on regular season play, it's going to come out of the West. And the same could be said about the NHL. It's just that when you get to hockey, seven game series, it almost works to the Avalanche's disadvantage to be this good in the regular season. Not so much in the NBA.

Alan Hahn (4:25)

Right.

Don LaGreca (4:26)

You saw it happen to the warriors when they broke the record for wins of the regular season and didn't win. But usually the. I will give you this. Even though there's a lot more parity in the NBA than there used to be, it feels like the NBA honors its regular season More than any other sport, because the best usually at least makes it to the final.

Alan Hahn (4:46)

It usually works out. It does. And so now what you're saying is, well, you know, can the. Can the Knicks at least reach the Finals? Which they haven't done 25 years.

Don LaGreca (4:56)

Right.

Alan Hahn (4:57)

And I got to tell you, when you look at the east and you see the way that teams like Orlando and what the. What the Celtics did, especially the second quarter last night, and you start, you look and you go, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if this is a complete roster. I still think there's more to do with this roster.

Peter Rosenberg (5:17)

Well, speaking of rosters, there's a lot going on right now.

Don LaGreca (5:20)

It's all happening real time.

Peter Rosenberg (5:22)

Let me start out with Brian Windhorse on ESPN Cleveland with an interesting, to put it mildly, an interesting thought here. Will Giannis be traded?

Brian Windhorst (5:35)

The Bucks called the Knicks and asked for an offer for Giannis. Okay. Because Giannis said, I want to be a Knick. So people are like, oh, my God, he deleted a photo from May where he had a Bucs logo. Guys, he asked to be traded already.

Don LaGreca (5:48)

Yeah. So when's it going to happen?

Brian Windhorst (5:50)

Well, that's the thing. So what. What appears is that Giannis committed himself for the season to the Bucks. That's what appeared, happened. Everything he said in his mood. But the Bucs are not good this year. When he hasn't played, they're one in five, and when he has played, they're nine and eight. So they've been 500 when he's played and when he hasn't played, they've been. They've been getting raced. What you're asking me is, is his viewpoint, Would his viewpoint change? I don't know. Like, I know that he asked for a trade and then he said, okay, I'm going to be a buck this year. I know that a lot of people in the league don't think he'll be a buck next year.

Peter Rosenberg (6:24)

Well, you know, you know how things go. If, If Brian Windhorse drops that bomb, that means my man Shams Charani has to have a bomb as well.

Don LaGreca (6:33)

That's right.

Peter Rosenberg (6:34)

So, I mean, listen, sometimes even if a team just needs to make up a second story so both guys can have something, you got to do it. But here it is. This is a real story. According to Shams, Giannis and his agent are having conversations with the Bucks about Giannis's future and discussing whether his best fit is staying or to move elsewhere. This story Posted at 2:56pm 10 minutes ago so there is movement, folks. We've got movement, some sort of movement happening in Millywaque.

Don LaGreca (7:08)

But guys, does that make it any easier for the Bucks to move them? Like, even if they agree, you know, it's probably best to do it sooner than later. Does that make it any easier for teams to be able to do it in season? Alan, you've been saying forever, so you're blue in the face. This is an off season move. So does this conversation with his agent and the way the Bucks have played, does that change how difficult it is to do this in season?

Alan Hahn (7:33)

It doesn't change how difficult it is because it's, it's going to be difficult regardless of whether or not. Like, you gotta understand, in August, there wasn't a sense like the Bucks were acquiescing to their star. There was no intention for the, for Milwaukee ownership to pursue a trade to move him. This was. We, we like, no offense, we did this, guys. Like we've done. We've had this conversation.

Don LaGreca (8:00)

Oh, I know. And we're going to have the curve on this.

Alan Hahn (8:03)

But what Wendy said, though, isn't anything new. What he was reiterating for everybody that forgot because they went, you know, the Bucs have gone through a bad stretch. I think they've lost like eight of nine or something. They, they have not looked good. The Knicks beat them recently and he's probably again just going like, here we go. And I did not want to be part of this. He, in the summer was already making all of the.

Alan Hahn (8:28)

All of. Not the moves, but he was making it clear that he was no longer interested in staying long term in Milwaukee. The Bucks were not interested in moving him right away because there's no urgency to move him now. There will be next summer, but not now. And you know, they move him, they know what they're doing. They're hitting the reset button, they're blowing the whole thing up and that's bad for business. So once he goes to them and says, I really want to play in New York, and so the Bucs then let the Knicks know, well, what are you going to give us if we're going to talk about a trade and the Knicks don't want to put names on the table, like, they don't want.

Don LaGreca (9:04)

To do that because they don't stay on the table. They end up in.

Alan Hahn (9:07)

The.

Don LaGreca (9:07)

End up in everybody's ear.

Alan Hahn (9:09)

Exactly. So you just have these preliminary conversations about, well, what, what would you want? Like, what would it take? And once you see how difficult it would be And Bobby, I was texting Bobby Marks this morning. You want to name drop, fine. But he's our ESPN front office insider, and he's really good when it comes to explaining why there's more to it than it used to be. Ten years ago, this trade probably would have happened already, right? Different cba, different rules, no second apron and all that stuff. I probably think this, this trade's already done. But because there's so much more now that challenges teams that are up against the second apron, which is not just a money thing, it now limits your ability to make trades in a certain way, to move certain pieces that I think the Knicks saw it as. We wouldn't have any players left, right? Like, we can't really do this right now. And I think that's the, that's the biggest part that I keep coming back to. I keep saying I find it hard to believe the Knicks can make a trade for Giannis Denokounmpo during this season. You would need help. As I've said before, you would need at least one, if not two, other teams that would be willing to be part of making a trade and what's in it for them? Usually it's going to be draft picks. So if the Bucs are looking for something but they don't want to take on contracts, they're going to want draft picks, too. It just doesn't seem like a realistic move to make. The Luka Doncic trade was a one to one. It was only two teams. It involved two highly paid superstars. And while the Lakers were certainly interested in Doncic, the Mavs were interested in Anthony Davis. They wanted him. So you'd have to tell me that the Bucks would say, we absolutely want Carl Anthony Towns, because if that's the case, then you can make a trade like this. It's very possible. But a lot of signs suggest that they don't want a player who has a contract like that who still has another year and then an opt out.

Alan Hahn (11:22)

It doesn't sound like that right now. That could change if another team says, no, I'll take them. And then they can move pieces around. But there's just a lot. There's no exceptions that the Knicks have available. They don't have the ability to make, to take on more than they send out. There's a lot of these things that are restrictive, which is why this sounds like fun. And I'm telling you, I'm the first to tell you this 10 years ago, happens tomorrow, probably happens in August when he first asked about it. But I Just feel like this is a next summer type of deal. But if Giannis is starting to get itchy already, and look, December 15th is the unofficial start of the trade season, because that's when every contract in the league now is tradable. It just makes me feel like if he's starting to get itchy.

Alan Hahn (12:12)

Maybe now the Knicks have to start getting creative. I don't know. But it's hard to say no to a guy who's an MVP candidate every single year.

Peter Rosenberg (12:20)

So what comes of this conversation that he and his agent are supposedly having with the Bucs right now, though?

Alan Hahn (12:25)

They had this conversation already, though, Peter. That's why I find that. And again, this is not about shams. This is more about the process. They've already discussed this. They discussed it in the summer, which is why they got to the point where then they said, well, where do you want to go? You want to go to New York? All right, let's see what the Knicks want to do. And then they both decided, let's just go into the season and see how it goes, because there really wasn't another trade to be. To be had. Now, does Giannis change and say, well, if the Knicks don't want to trade for me or don't have the ability to do it, would he then say, well, the. Maybe I'll go to Miami. Maybe I'll go to, you know, whoever else. Another team, Lakers. I don't know how the Lakers do it. How'd they get done? I mean that, by the way, if that happens, good night, good luck. Yeah, good night. And good luck is right. LeBron might become the sixth man of the year, but those are the types of things that I think now become part of the conversation. If the Knicks decide we just can't do it or aren't willing to do it because they don't like what will happen to their roster, then I think he'll have to open it. If he really has got to get out now, he doesn't want to finish the season there, then that's when other teams might get involved. And that's where, like I said, I personally, this is nothing. I know. This is me personally. You put me in charge. I look at the season and I go, nobody beating the Thunder. We don't look like a team that is ready to just dominate the east and at least get to the Finals. Maybe I just say, the hell with it. I can't let him go somewhere else. He wants to be here. I need to put him and Brunson together. I got to Make a trade. I would feel compelled, but that's me. I don't also know all the different machinations behind the scenes when it comes to the cap.

Don LaGreca (14:11)

You have to that. And also how serious are some of these other teams of doing it now? Like, if there's no legitimate threat, don't do that. Because I still think there's value to this season. Right.

Alan Hahn (14:24)

Well, that's where I'm not going to.

Don LaGreca (14:26)

Sit there and just concede the championship to OKC on December 3rd.

Alan Hahn (14:29)

No, no, no. I understand what you're saying, Don, but what you just said, though, about conceding the season is that that makes sense. But you said unless there's a legitimate threat. Right. There's always one. Because if I'm Giannis's agent, if I'm his first of all his business, they all want this. They all want him in a big market York. And if I'm them, I have to create that leverage. How do I do it? Well, I say to you, honest. Well, you got to consider another team to put pressure on New York to say, well, we can't lose them. So that's what I'm watching for. Who's it going to be? That almost force, and I hate to use the word force, but I'm looking at it from their side. I'm on Giannis's side right now. I'm not. I'm not representing the Knicks as I'm talking. What I'm saying is if I'm Giannis and I want to be in New York, and I know the Knicks are a little hesitant about, you know, giving up a lot and maybe even blowing up a roster for a season. We all know what happened with Carmelo Anthony, and people still are mad about that because Melo didn't want to wait to the offseason. Well, Giannis clearly doesn't want to do it either. So if that's the case, you need leverage. And leverage with the Melo thing were the Nets back then. That was the threat that made the Knicks 8R. We cannot lose him to the Nets. We. We're doing this. So that's what I'm watching for. Who's it going to be?

Don LaGreca (15:45)

But you bring up something interesting when you throw in the Carmelo situation, because it really made for a very awkward start, and then it really carried over in a lot of circles through his entire career with the Knicks and, you know, not winning the championship. Added to that, if I'm Giannis and I want to go to New York, don't I want to go to New York in the best possible situation. I don't want, I don't want the cupboard to be bare when I get there.

Don LaGreca (16:10)

So why not just wait it out? Why? If anything, you're trying to create leverage to get it done, aren't you trying to make it as easy as possible for the Knicks to get you so that you don't have to give up a ton of pizza because you want to make sure that they've got a roster you can win with. Right.

Alan Hahn (16:24)

And I think that's why the wording in Shamsa story is to discuss whether it's best to move on now or wait. Right, Right. That's what it says, Peter.

Don LaGreca (16:34)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (16:35)

The wording is, is they're going to discuss it.

Peter Rosenberg (16:37)

Yes, discussion.

Alan Hahn (16:38)

And so that's when I, I'm sure you go back to the Knicks again. And if the Knicks say no, like we cannot, we really aren't in a place to do it right now, then, then you go to Giannis and say, unless you want to go somewhere else, you're going to have to wait till the summer. And then maybe I'm just goes, I find I'll wait till the summer. Yeah.

Don LaGreca (16:54)

If he really wants to be a Knick, what's the sacrifice? Well, and what? Just to get out.

Alan Hahn (17:00)

Doesn't want to waste a year of his life.

Don LaGreca (17:01)

I understand, but he also might win. But he also, by not wanting to waste a year of his life, end up someplace he really doesn't want to be. All you're asking him to do is like, listen, it's already December, we're past the quarter poll. You know, just be patient. And then during the off season, the Knicks will be more equipped to get you. They'll be in a better chance to win with you rather than them because you're talking about really having to really empty, empty everything to get him. Well, then he's wasting his time in New York because New York. What are the Knicks going to do if they make the deal now?

Alan Hahn (17:36)

Well, again, you're looking at what tradable pieces do you have? And you know Mitchell Robinson's in a expiring contract.

Don LaGreca (17:46)

Right.

Alan Hahn (17:48)

And car. Anthony Towns, you didn't extend so his, he has an opt out after next season. Those are short term pieces that for Milwaukee or wherever else they want to flip them. You're not, you know, you're not taking on a massive contract that you're stuck under. Right. So like those are assets. But here everybody wants draft picks when it comes to moving a superstar. The Knicks already, because of the McHale bridges thing, they still owe unprotected first to the nets in 27 and 29 and 31.

Alan Hahn (18:24)

So you can't move those. The only tradable first you have is in this coming draft and it's the Wizards pick, which would be very valuable if only it fell outside the top eight, which you won't know until the lottery's over. And if they're as bad as they look right now, that's not going to happen. That's all they got. They can swap first in 26 and 30 and 32, they could swap first. They have eight second round picks available, but when it comes to first, they really don't have that kind of currency to really, you know, to make up for the fact, hey, you're taking on a guy who's not gonna, you know, he's gonna have a big contract for another year, but, you know, we give you all these picks to make it better. They don't have that. So I, I'm curious to see how you can make a deal like this happen in season. And I'm also curious to see if Giannis and his side find a rival team to almost see if the Knicks would feel compelled or forced to do something they don't want to do, just so they make sure they get a guy like this in his prime.

Peter Rosenberg (19:32)

Now, if they're not able to do anything in the immediate, which we don't believe it would be in the immediate.

Alan Hahn (19:38)

Well, it can't be till after December 15th. Let's start.

Peter Rosenberg (19:40)

And that would still be, you think, you know, on the less likely and that it happens in any short order. What else can be done? Alan, we were talking before the show started.

Alan Hahn (19:49)

Well, we see the news, we see.

Peter Rosenberg (19:51)

The news about Chris Paul. He's no longer wanted in Los Angeles.

Alan Hahn (19:54)

That's got my attention more than this was. This does. This is a big story for the Giannis, right? But the Chris Paul story in, in la, he's already said this is his last season. He wants to stay. He always wanted to stay on the west coast because that's where his family lives. His family lives in la. He didn't want to move his family bounce around. He played in San Antonio last year, played 82 games with them and he was really good. He was good with them. And his last year he wanted to go back to the Clippers where it all started for him, or at least where it really became big for him, and finish it out. And I can't believe we're 20 games in and Ty Lue sent him Home, Literally, they were done with him.

Peter Rosenberg (20:33)

Yeah, that's the way he described it on his Instagram.

Alan Hahn (20:35)

Yeah. And you know, the Clippers, Lawrence Frank put out a statement just saying that, you know, it's not about Chris Paul, clearly. There's something, though, happening between Chris Paul, who's a pretty strong personality in the locker room, and Ty Lu, who's also a strong personality, to where they couldn't coexist anymore. And the Clippers are a disaster this year. So, like, I watch the Knicks and I think to myself, boy, what do they really need? They could really use another high IQ player who can handle the basketball off the bench. Their bench was not good last night. Once again, on the road, that's become a problem. And, you know, Chris Paul does have a relationship with taa, with Leon Rose and West and all them. Everybody running the Knicks now, they're very close. But you're asking him then to move across the country and play his last season in New York. Is it worth it to him because he is a spiteful dude that he's like, you know what? I'm gonna do it so I can go out on a high, or does he just retire? I don't know.

Peter Rosenberg (21:32)

But you have to imagine he'd want to do it.

Alan Hahn (21:36)

But he already has. He's resisted playing for the Knicks because of that. It's on the east and his family's in the West Coast. He'd never see them, and he doesn't want to move them, so he's made that clear. The Knicks would have loved to have brought him in. They would have, but he hasn't wanted to do it. He's on a veterans minimum contract, so. But to trade for him would be difficult. You can't trade multiple pieces for him. It would have to be a one for one.

Peter Rosenberg (22:01)

Here's Lawrence Frank, head of basketball operations for the Clippers on the Chris Paul move.

Don LaGreca (22:07)

Chris Paul had a legendary career and.

Alan Hahn (22:10)

Is a legendary Clipper.

Don LaGreca (22:11)

We did not make this move because of our underperformance. He had nothing to do with that. I take full responsibility for our record. We are not scapegoating Chris Paul. We have many issues, and we're going to address each. Each issue for our underperformance. But I. I do want to make it clear we have great respect for Chris for the career that he's had and for his impact on the organization, what he did to help transform the franchise. And we're not blaming him for underperformance.

Peter Rosenberg (22:41)

All right?

Alan Hahn (22:42)

No, they shouldn't. He really hasn't he really hasn't played. You know, they haven't played enough. But something happened there that, that's, Yeah, I mean, he's the bottom of it.

Peter Rosenberg (22:52)

I mean, you imagine when you saw him come back to the Clippers, it's like, all right, well, he's going to.

Don LaGreca (22:56)

Play there and end his career there.

Peter Rosenberg (22:57)

He's 40 years old. Right. And his prime is you. Alan, would you agree that his prime prime was in Los Angeles?

Alan Hahn (23:04)

Oh, absolutely.

Peter Rosenberg (23:04)

I mean, the seven years or so, like 11 to 18. I mean, that's, that's, that's the run right there. That's the, the hall of Fame jersey for him. Could, you know, I think would be a Clippers jersey. So it's just, I didn't expect it to end that way. It's very weird.

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Alan Hahn (24:33)

So, Peter, did you see the. The final vote counts for New York City mayor.

Peter Rosenberg (24:38)

The final vote counts for New York City mayor.

Don LaGreca (24:41)

Yes, I did see who got four votes though. Or 14, was it? Or 11.

Alan Hahn (24:44)

11.

Don LaGreca (24:45)

11. That's what it was.

Alan Hahn (24:46)

Yeah. So your guy Mamdani, he obviously won, right?

Don LaGreca (24:50)

Why would you.

Alan Hahn (24:51)

Come on.

Don LaGreca (24:52)

Why would you put that on him? We still have people guessing Right.

Alan Hahn (24:57)

Oh, sure, they're wearing helmets.

Peter Rosenberg (25:00)

I had him and Cuomo both on the show the last couple days. They had different results, but they were.

Alan Hahn (25:05)

Both on different results. I saw a coma. Finished second. Sliwa was third. Fourth was Jalen Brunson with 27 votes, by the way.

Peter Rosenberg (25:14)

I'm disappointed. I feel like Brunson could do way.

Alan Hahn (25:16)

If he had put 27. He campaigned a little bit. Little bit. But Judge got 11. What do you think of Brunson getting more votes than Judge?

Don LaGreca (25:25)

You know what's, you know what's interesting? That would go into the hopper for like who is bigger in New York. Right, Right. Because I listen. You know that you should be able to carry that around that if you get more votes, if you get the most votes of any non candidate, you should get some like, like a certificate or like a writer called mayor for.

Peter Rosenberg (25:46)

For a while.

Alan Hahn (25:47)

Mayor for a day.

Peter Rosenberg (25:48)

Well, what number do you have to hit to actually make it mean something? Because 27 is not enough.

Alan Hahn (25:52)

Not enough.

Don LaGreca (25:53)

It's not enough. But it. But judge got 11.

Alan Hahn (25:56)

Yeah, think about it. Double judge. Think about this. 38 people thought enough about the mayor race to write in athletes.

Don LaGreca (26:06)

Who else got written in? Usually people.

Alan Hahn (26:08)

Pete Alonso got three.

Don LaGreca (26:10)

Okay.

Alan Hahn (26:11)

Scatterboo of all people got a vote. That was mine. That was Anthony Pusick, probably Scatterboo.

Don LaGreca (26:19)

I would like people to take these things more seriously, but I get it.

Alan Hahn (26:22)

How could you?

Don LaGreca (26:23)

I.

Peter Rosenberg (26:23)

It's kind.

Don LaGreca (26:24)

Because if you're gonna make the statement like I think all these guys are frauds, what can I do? All right, I'm gonna vote for, you know, Cam Scatter.

Alan Hahn (26:30)

Boo. That's kind of how I feel about. I have a list of a lot of write in names. Would you guys like to hear some more?

Don LaGreca (26:34)

Yeah, I'm really interested because those are the sports ones.

Alan Hahn (26:37)

Anna Wintour.

Peter Rosenberg (26:39)

Really? How many she get?

Alan Hahn (26:41)

It just says names mentioned. Doesn't. This one doesn't have the votes. Oh, that doesn't count.

Don LaGreca (26:45)

Who is that?

Alan Hahn (26:46)

Barack Obama.

Don LaGreca (26:47)

Okay.

Alan Hahn (26:48)

Barbra Streisand.

Don LaGreca (26:49)

Sure.

Alan Hahn (26:49)

Babs. Bernie Sanders.

Peter Rosenberg (26:52)

Okay.

Alan Hahn (26:52)

Bill Clinton. All right, mellow now. I'd be interested to see if Mello got more than Brunson.

Peter Rosenberg (26:57)

I'm going to be honest with you. I'd love to do this job, but I'm too busy calling Yankees games about 90 times a year with my good.

Alan Hahn (27:04)

Friend Michael K. I found Peter's vote. Okay.

Peter Rosenberg (27:07)

Who's that?

Don LaGreca (27:09)

Where did it go? Oh, no.

Alan Hahn (27:10)

Dolly Parton. There it is. Listen, that's my vote.

Don LaGreca (27:14)

At least get two really?

Alan Hahn (27:15)

That's a good point. We might have had more.

Alan Hahn (27:19)

Trump got at least a vote. Ed Koch got a vote.

Peter Rosenberg (27:21)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (27:22)

George Washington, Good for him.

Peter Rosenberg (27:24)

Is an interesting choice.

Alan Hahn (27:25)

Ed Koch. Yeah. George Washington, Harriet Tubman.

Alan Hahn (27:30)

John Stewart. Tubman had potential to go to the next level. Mayor of New York, Michelle Obama also. Oh, both Obama's and Lou Gehrig. Now Gehrig.

Peter Rosenberg (27:40)

That's an interesting choice.

Alan Hahn (27:41)

Tibbs, that must have been a very early vote. You know, Tibet good for like the first two years.

Don LaGreca (27:48)

I'm curious.

Peter Rosenberg (27:48)

Burn the city out.

Don LaGreca (27:50)

When you see.

Alan Hahn (27:50)

Wear out all the work.

Don LaGreca (27:52)

When you see politicians get votes, you wonder. Some people are making statements and some people were just confused.

Alan Hahn (27:58)

Rob Manfred wrote himself in. Sorry, it just says he's there. It could be though, that people are confused. Speaking of, let's clear up some confusion. So the Chris Paul issue with the Clippers.

Don LaGreca (28:09)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (28:10)

Shams and Om. Our good buddy Om Yomasuk is reporting that he and Ty Lue were not on speaking terms for several weeks. Chris Paul was vocal in holding management, coaches and players accountable, which the team felt became disruptive.

Alan Hahn (28:29)

Says a lot about the Clippers organization, does it?

Peter Rosenberg (28:31)

Not a lot going on there.

Alan Hahn (28:34)

Well, you know, the guys on that team, you know, James Harden and Kawhi Leonard are two guys that love to be held accountable.

Peter Rosenberg (28:39)

Oh, two of the most accountable there.

Alan Hahn (28:41)

Is in very accountable guys.

Don LaGreca (28:43)

So the question is, since he's a West coast guys, families on the west coast, would he be cool with spending just a few months in New York living in a hotel away from his family for a chance.

Peter Rosenberg (28:55)

Yes.

Don LaGreca (28:55)

To maybe play in an NBA final?

Peter Rosenberg (28:57)

Yes. Yes.

Don LaGreca (28:59)

I mean, no, it's not. I would.

Peter Rosenberg (29:02)

He wants it. There's no he. You play this lot. You decided to play another season when you're 40 years old. Okay, 40, as Don McGregor might say.

Alan Hahn (29:10)

He's a man. He's 40.

Don LaGreca (29:12)

He.

Peter Rosenberg (29:12)

He doesn't have a championship. No, it's the one thing. I mean, this is a. Al.

Don LaGreca (29:17)

What would you say?

Peter Rosenberg (29:17)

We're talking.

Alan Hahn (29:18)

He has one finals appearance, remember with this. With the Suns. He's lost to Giannis and the.

Peter Rosenberg (29:24)

And the Bucks. He. So he's a. He's a what? 5th, 5th or 6th best point guard of all time. Maybe Allen could be that high.

Peter Rosenberg (29:32)

He's in the covers. Yeah.

Alan Hahn (29:34)

Oh, yeah. He.

Don LaGreca (29:35)

He's a he.

Alan Hahn (29:35)

So he's a top one of the. He's one of the all time great point guards. Yeah, absolutely.

Peter Rosenberg (29:38)

So the one thing missing from the ledgers, a championship. And he could go for it in New York City for a few months. I don't think there's any, any chance.

Alan Hahn (29:46)

He would say no to people around him that he trusts. I mean, again, he and Leon Rose are extremely close and sexy.

Don LaGreca (29:52)

And it doesn't have to happen today. You wait till after the holidays.

Alan Hahn (29:55)

Well, here's one thing to watch now. It's doubtful they'll just waive him because that's an. That's very like. I mean, the guy is like, Peter said it, right? He's a Clipper for life. They would not do the indignity of just waving him. They will try to trade him. The problem, of course, is, is that not everybody's really going to want to trade for him because of various reasons. Number one, he's not going to want to play for bad teams. So anyways, what could happen is if he ends up getting waived, cut, the Knicks can't sign him until after April 2nd. But you could have him for the playoffs. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing because you'd rather have him long term and get used to all that stuff. So I'm just intrigued by his name and I would just like, I would watch it because if he would be willing, like you guys are saying.

Alan Hahn (30:47)

He really is an important fit since, since Malcolm Brogdon retired, that. What do they do when Brunson's on the bench? Minutes. You know, those are. They're not being filled to the highest level. I think the highest of Tyler Kolik as a young player who has great potential. But if you're a team that's looking to win right now, you got to add, like, high level, especially high IQ players off the bench. And he fits that mold. I mean, he would be a perfect fit here if only the Knicks played, of course, in the West Coast.

Alan Hahn (31:23)

I'd watch that. But the honest thing, guys, as I've told you for. I think I was saying this well before August, this is not going away. New York is where he wants to be. It's finding a way to get it done. That's the hardest part. And now I want to see is, does he do the leverage play of floating out there, another team that would be willing to trade for him, that he would say, fine, I'll go there. If the Knicks don't want me using those words, I want to go there, but they don't want me. Because I can't imagine a fan base that would hear that an annual MVP candidate, a perennial MVP candidate is telling the world the Knicks don't want Me, which is probably not the case. It's more of. It's really hard to do this and stay competitive. So leverage plays got to be coming next over the next couple of weeks.

Peter Rosenberg (32:17)

Let's talk to the people. 1-800-919-3776. You want to weigh in on this or anything else? We start with Devin in Mohegan, Mohegan's son. Where are you, Devin? Where's Mohegan?

Devin (Caller) (32:29)

No, it's actually. Hey guys, can you hear me? Yes, the Mohegan Lake, it's like right near Peekskill. So anyway, I was proposed this question actually by a student of mine, I'm a New York City teacher. So they said, you know, Mr. Who should the Knicks trade for Giannis? So that's kind of my question. And my answer was what I want to trade for Giannis is Carl Anthony Towns, Mitch, Rob and whatever picks might be available. I was like, maybe even Josh Hart or McBride or the bench if I have to. And that's available. You guys already alluded to the lack of first round picks and we only really have swaps. So I was just curious what you gentlemen think the offer would be now and if we were supposed to do the immediacy and as you just alluded to his, his leverage play and if it's the summer, what we should offer and what we can offer then, because I know then we'll get another year's pick sort of on the docket to be able to trade. So we're just wondering what sort of trade packages you think the Knicks could offer now and potentially in the summer. Thanks, man. Cheers.

Don LaGreca (33:28)

Cool, man.

Alan Hahn (33:29)

I think you're, you're. Those are the types of names, I think Anunoby, because they play the same position. He and Giannis, I think that's. And he's a guy that team people want. You want a guy like OG Anunoby? I hate the idea of losing a guy like that. But they do play the same position, right? So you're just sort of trying to figure it out. He does have a good contract as well. But these are like, these are real things. Like you, you have to find out. It's like any deal, what do you want? What do you, what is your like, what are the Bucks doing from here? Because when you trade a player of that caliber most of the time in the NBA, what happens?

Alan Hahn (34:09)

You're in reset mode, right?

Don LaGreca (34:11)

Yeah, of course.

Alan Hahn (34:12)

Like this is a blow up thing. This is not.

Peter Rosenberg (34:13)

If you that level, it's starting over.

Alan Hahn (34:15)

The LUCA deal was, you know, and it's going to end up being a blow up deal for the Mavericks. But, you know, Nico didn't look at it that way. He looked at it as I'm getting a superstar center who's a defensive guy that will make us a better defensive team. And then of course, all Anthony Davis does now gets hurt all the time. So I don't know how this all works out. But that's what McCaller said is right. When you get to the summer now, Towns has one less year left. Now he's only got one year left before he can opt out. So if you're the Bucks, you can say, well, we'll get out of it in one year, you know, but you don't have Robinson's contract anymore, so there's a lot of things at play. It's hard to name names right now and make a deal on paper because there's so many other rules that go with it. Because I know Bobby Marks would be in my ear saying, nope, can't do that. Because you can't, you know, you can't do 100% to 125% on salary. And that's when everybody's going to fall asleep. But those are real rules in the CBA now that make making trades incredibly complicated when you have to match money. And that's where the Knicks are. And they're just like inches away from the second apron, which would then stop them from trading anything.

Don LaGreca (35:22)

Well, and you know, just looking at the standings, and I know it's really been bad for the Bucks. I mean, recently their only wins are against the Nets and the Hornets, but they're only, they're two back of the loss column of, of being in the play in. Right. So I mean, if you go out there, you work, I mean, it's not like the complete, the season's a complete.

Don LaGreca (35:43)

And then, then you get to go where you want to go during the summer in the best case scenario for your new team. I, I, listen, I don't live in Milwaukee. I'm not in his situation. But if you really wanted to work with the Knicks and be the best team possible, just, just be patient, just get through this season rather than trying to create leverage and maybe ending up someplace you really don't want to be.

Alan Hahn (36:06)

Yeah, yeah, it, it's, it's, it's funny. We didn't even get into the middle of December before he got impatient, which shows you how badly he wanted out. And that's why in August, the Bucs kind of, I feel like the Bucs, it was I don't think they were serious about that call. I think they were just trying to appeal to him. Like, look, we tried. I don't think. I don't think that was real intent to make a deal, which is why nothing really came with the con. It was just a conversation. And then they. Both sides just moved on from it. The Bucs did not want to trade Giannis. Even though Giannis wanted to be traded, they didn't have to. He still has time on his contract, so they don't want to move. Nobody's going to go to games there. They're not gonna sell tickets. It's gonna be brutal when you trade stars like this, it kills you for a whole year. Look what happened in Brooklyn. Once all those guys were out, once Kyrie was gone and KD was gone, the magic was gone. Now they got to go through a whole rebuild, and you go to. You become irrelevant again. It's a brutal process.

Don LaGreca (37:08)

Yeah. It just makes sense all around for him just to wait.

Alan Hahn (37:12)

Yes.

Don LaGreca (37:12)

All right. He doesn't become a pariah in Milwaukee. You know, they're still kind of hanging around. There's still reasons to go. He can end up. If he waits till the end of the year, he can play the whole. Well, nobody's going to mind, because, listen, the team's not good anyway. Let's not kill him so he doesn't become a pariah there. You're not forcing the hand of the Knicks to do it too early, where now he comes here and people are complaining they gave up too much. Kind of like what happened with Carmelo Anthony.

Alan Hahn (37:37)

Yep.

Don LaGreca (37:38)

Honestly, Guy, it's not me, it's not my months, but I just don't see. Other than just trying to stir things up and creating a little bit of atmosphere at a regular season, it looks like it's just kind of pedaling along here, that it just makes perfect sense for Giannis to just wait.

Alan Hahn (37:54)

So, Don, you're saying he should just sit back, relax, maybe take a bath, Right?

Don LaGreca (37:59)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (38:00)

Soak a little bit.

Don LaGreca (38:01)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (38:01)

So chill out. And if he wanted to do that, like the bath that he had, I.

Peter Rosenberg (38:06)

Didn'T even see it.

Alan Hahn (38:07)

He could just call bath.

Peter Rosenberg (38:08)

I can't believe I missed it.

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Peter Rosenberg (39:30)

What you did was beautiful.

Alan Hahn (39:33)

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Peter Rosenberg (39:37)

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Peter Rosenberg (39:46)

John Hahn and Rosenberg. Now I meant to say this coming out of the last segment, I think, didn't you play tribe or Q Tip coming out last time? And, but then Alan and I got into a conversation. I, I did hear from Q Tip the other day.

Don LaGreca (40:00)

Okay, yeah, we haven't heard from him all season.

Peter Rosenberg (40:06)

He, he, he's actually, he believes, he believes the team is heading the right direction at this moment. He, he thinks they're playing for the coach. He's happy with the coach. Can you believe that?

Alan Hahn (40:17)

I can believe it.

Peter Rosenberg (40:19)

He thinks there's something with Aaron Glenn.

Alan Hahn (40:21)

Three out of five. Let's see. Got it. You gotta, you know, you gotta finish strong now. You gotta finish the season and show me, show me that you can't give me a little pocket in the middle of the season where you get some enthusiasm. You gotta take it all, take it all the way to the house. Well, and then in your exit interview with the media, you can do the I told you so. And then I'm, I don't know if.

Peter Rosenberg (40:43)

They can do enough to do and I told you so.

Alan Hahn (40:45)

Well, you know what I Mean, like I told like about turning it around and heading cultural direction. Cultural, that stuff. But nothing's going to change until they get the quarterback.

Don LaGreca (40:52)

I am right. Well, for sure. But I, I think I figured this out last night. I don't know if you want to save those till 4 o'.

Peter Rosenberg (40:57)

Clock. Really? You want to have an epiphany?

Don LaGreca (41:00)

I had a moment, okay. Because Alan's been this way. You know, he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to like things. He with the jets and he's apprehensive. He cracked a smile when they won their third game in the last five. I think he's trying to avoid what Giant fans went through on Monday. We're starting to believe you get a little excited. They almost beat the Lions. They almost beat the Packers. Oh, look, we all got. I got caught up in it. I basically almost guaranteed a win on Monday, made my three point play. Did they cover the seven and a half? Because I started to believe. I had hope, Alan. I had hope. And then I've got racked in the head with a sledgehammer. And that's kind of like you're like, all right, well, if you start to believe, like, hey, they're playing for the coach and they won three out of five and, and then the dolphins put a 40 spot on them and they lose 40 to three and you don't want to. You'd rather be I told you so than be disappointed. Am I right? Am I right? Am I right?

Alan Hahn (41:59)

You know, we like to live in that space. But I'm not, I'm not doing. I'm not reacting this way with the jets because I want to just feel right. And it's easier to say, oh, I'm pleasantly surprised, rather than I'm terribly disappointed. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not really doing it that way. It's just what I see just seems to be the same old, same old, same old, same old. I'm waiting for that sliver of evidence, that one little beam of light that just says to me, okay, that's different. And that's what I'm looking for. And I fell for the Camelot with Aaron Rodgers because Hard knocks. During training camp, everything looked right. There was a vibe that I'm like, oh, no, this, this is unlike anything Jets. And that set me up to know that, wait, you can't believe anything you see in the. In the preseason because the jets have always dominated the off season. They've always been great in the off season. There's always good vibes It's. You got to wait till the season to make that little.

Don LaGreca (43:01)

That little light, because it's not nothing. What is it is that they are playing for the coach when there are reasons not to play. There's a reason for Breeze hall to say, just get me the hell out of here. Let me fake some sort of hip injury so they can put me on the bench and I don't have to play and get the hell out of here. And instead, I see a guy working hard and continuing to try to contribute despite the fact he didn't get a contract and wasn't traded to a team that's got a chance to win. I mean, after they made that trade, there was a lot of reasons for guys to make. To do what we saw Russell Wilson do, make business decisions, and they're not, because I think they believe in the message.

Peter Rosenberg (43:37)

You're right.

Don LaGreca (43:37)

It may not work. He still may end up being a terrible coach. But we said it at the time. Let's see if he can get these guys to play for him. And he has. So that's a slither. It's something.

Peter Rosenberg (43:50)

Now we have. We have Miami, Jacksonville, New Orleans, New England, Buffalo.

Peter Rosenberg (44:01)

Guys, I. I think if you really want to show me something, like there's a. There's an actual culture thing to believe. Excuse me. Get emotional.

Don LaGreca (44:08)

Right?

Alan Hahn (44:09)

Wow.

Don LaGreca (44:09)

Something come out.

Peter Rosenberg (44:11)

I'm getting emotional about what would come out.

Alan Hahn (44:15)

Listen, we're all over 40.

Don LaGreca (44:18)

It sounds like. Like something. Something was caught. I had to get out.

Peter Rosenberg (44:22)

No, but, but, but of these five guys, I. I think the numbers three. If you want to show me there's a culture thing happening.

Don LaGreca (44:28)

All right. Dolphin. You said Dolphins.

Peter Rosenberg (44:30)

Dolphins. Yaguar, Jaguars, Saints.

Don LaGreca (44:33)

Saints.

Peter Rosenberg (44:33)

So. So I'm not saying any of those, like, the Dolphins are not good, but they're not horrible. The Jaguars are a decent team.

Alan Hahn (44:40)

The.

Peter Rosenberg (44:41)

The Saints are horrible. Then they'll play the Patriots and probably a meaningless game for the patriots in week 17.

Don LaGreca (44:46)

All I know is there's motivation because I know Dolphin fans that are, like, excited because they're like, oh, we just beat the Saints and we've got the jets coming up and we're still alive for a playoff spot. End it.

Peter Rosenberg (44:56)

Squelch it.

Don LaGreca (44:57)

You almost beat them earlier this season when we did the couch cast. Remember when the jets were a real.

Peter Rosenberg (45:02)

Oh, yes.

Don LaGreca (45:03)

You know, and now they've won three out of five.

Alan Hahn (45:05)

Did they almost beat him? I mean, come on.

Don LaGreca (45:07)

Well, they hung around.

Alan Hahn (45:08)

I mean, they hung around like that game was never close.

Peter Rosenberg (45:12)

That was the most liberal. Almost beat Him I've ever heard.

Don LaGreca (45:16)

Maybe because during the couch.

Alan Hahn (45:17)

I'll allow it.

Don LaGreca (45:18)

Watched it and the numbers show. You did then.

Peter Rosenberg (45:20)

I was.

Don LaGreca (45:20)

I was pro jets during that broadcast, believing they still had a chance to win. But you beating the Dolphins is not and, you know, impossible. And certainly beating the Saints, and Saints probably don't even want to win that game. So you should be able to get two of the next three, if not all of them. But Jacksonville is. They're eight and four, right. So that's tough. And then New England and Buffalo, the only chance is if. If they've already clinched it. Right. I guess there is a scenario where New England could have already clinched the one seed by week 17. Right? I mean, that's possible, but locked in.

Alan Hahn (45:58)

Is Rabel the kind of guy that would say, oh, this game doesn't mean anything. We'll just give it away? Or is Razel the type of guy that's like, it's a division game, we're all in, and we want to stay sharp.

Don LaGreca (46:07)

Sure. I find. But here's the thing. Can they get three more? And I think they can. Well, beating the Dolphins, beating the Saints is not going on much of a limb. And can they get one from Jacksonville, New England and Buffalo? Buffalo. That could just be. They're locked into a position and they don't play anybody and they win the game that. I'm going there. I'm not saying that if Buffalo meets the game, they're gonna get destroyed.

Alan Hahn (46:34)

Okay, See? But I'll play along. Now, these are. You guys call these reindeer games, right? I'll play along. So Buffalo now is like, we're locked in to a wild card spot. We don't want Josh Allen to get hurt, so we're gonna start a whole bunch of nobodies and the jets win the game right there. Is that a true value win?

Don LaGreca (46:53)

Okay, well, then let me. Let me spin it this way to you, Alan. You're not going to eviscerate them if they lose to a Bills team that doesn't care. Well, of course you would.

Alan Hahn (47:01)

Of course you.

Don LaGreca (47:02)

So there has to be value to winning.

Alan Hahn (47:03)

Oh, come on. It's not a real win against.

Don LaGreca (47:06)

I don't know what to tell you, Alan. I mean, I. Honestly. My advice to you. If I were your doctor, right. If you're. If I. If I'm sitting down and you're laying on a chase lounge telling me your life story, you know, my Would be cheese. You know what it would be?

Alan Hahn (47:21)

What would it be?

Don LaGreca (47:22)

Get out of the game and tap out. Just Stop being a Jeff. You fight me every time I try to give you something because you knock it out of my hand. I'm trying to give you a little piece of cake and knock it down on the floor.

Alan Hahn (47:33)

I like cake, but I don't want it. I want pie.

Don LaGreca (47:35)

My Peter. Am I wrong? I mean, I know these are Reindeer games, but what do you got? What else you got?

Alan Hahn (47:42)

This is way.

Don LaGreca (47:43)

This is all you got. A Reindeer Games, unfortunately. But this is what you got to grasp at the little tiny victories in hopes that it's gonna build towards something. But if you don't want it, man, I don't know what to tell you, Don.

Alan Hahn (47:53)

I gave you the Rudy clap and then walked off the wall and then turns and walked through the tunnel. I did that when folk hit the. Hit the field goal because I was like, you know what? There you go. Take.

Don LaGreca (48:05)

So what do you give me?

Alan Hahn (48:06)

That's all I got.

Don LaGreca (48:07)

All right, so they've got what, five games left, right? Or was it six? Can't even do the five, right?

Alan Hahn (48:13)

Five.

Don LaGreca (48:14)

Five.

Alan Hahn (48:14)

This should be five, right?

Don LaGreca (48:15)

So if they go three and two, that's no matter how they get one. But just say Buffalo doesn't play anybody, but they. They actually win by forfeit, Bill. Bills don't show up and they go three and two. What. What do I get from Alan Hahn?

Alan Hahn (48:30)

I get that now. I'm. Look, I'm looking forward to the off season. They got a coach now. I want to see if they can get a good player.

Don LaGreca (48:36)

Don't say that like it's nothing. Alan, you got a coach. You haven't had one since Parcells. Yeah, I gotta come. Peter, he's. I gotta coat. He made it sound like. All right, well, we checked. Like Peter moving. All right, that box is on the truck.

Don LaGreca (48:54)

You move the piano with the head coach. Listen, you move the piano hanging out a 12 story window down to the.

Alan Hahn (49:01)

You don't understand the amount of damage that was done to me the minute Rogers Achilles snapped.

Don LaGreca (49:07)

Right.

Alan Hahn (49:08)

You have to understand.

Don LaGreca (49:09)

You're an abusive relationship, I guess.

Alan Hahn (49:11)

No, no, no, no. Abusive. I've been through it. I've been through all of sex but fumbles. Right, exactly. That's. You know what I've been through with this franchise. But when that moment happened where four plays in and that happened. I'm telling you. I don't know if anybody's ever experienced this before, but it's like you hear nothing, everything goes silent. And you feel nothing. You feel numb. And you just sit and stare and just stare at the screen going. My whole life as a Jets fan has been a lie. It's been an absurd waste of time that I've cared and believed. And so I'm just letting go right now until something like the you know, when I know we got to go. But I'm trying to make a good reference day before.

Don LaGreca (50:03)

It could be nice to polar express the bell.

Alan Hahn (50:06)

You don't hear it ring until I hear that damn bell ring again. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.