Hour 1: Glenn Backtrack & Giants HC Search

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 1: Glenn Backtrack & Giants HC Search

Date: December 29, 2025
Hosts: Ty Butler, Alex Monaco, Jacob Rosenberg
Main Theme: Examining the Jets’ coaching controversy, QB dilemmas, and the Giants’ looming head coach search — all through the unique frustrations and comic chemistry of New York sports radio.

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Episode Overview

This episode is a deep dive into the uncertain futures of both New York football franchises, focused on the volatile leadership of Jets coach Aaron Glenn, quarterback options for the Jets, and the hunt for the Giants’ next head coach. The trio and callers blend sharp criticism, gallows humor, and impassioned debate, creating a must-listen for fans exasperated by the state of New York football.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Aaron Glenn Backtrack & Jets Dysfunction

• Aaron Glenn’s inconsistent messaging:
  Ty Butler highlights Glenn blaming poor player effort after a recent loss, then reversing himself at the next press conference and insisting “the effort wasn’t the problem” after watching game film.

  • Ty: “There’s just no consistency from this head coach as far as the commentary following games…something’s just happening overnight and it leaves me aghast.” (03:38)

• Team accountability and defensive collapse:
  Rosenberg blasts Glenn for allowing record completion percentages and lifeless play—extra damning for a defensive specialist.

  • Rosenberg: “You allow a quarterback to go for a 90% completion percentage…there’s no pride, there’s no dog. It's real, real bad.” (04:17)

• A historical pattern of poor decisions:
  Multiple hosts note Glenn’s public support for staff (e.g., Steve Wilks) right before their firings and compare to past Jets’ failures.

  • Ty: “Biggest problem is they’re headed for a 3-14 season despite facing the seventh-easiest schedule. And it’s just going to get tougher.” (05:39)

2. Jets Quarterback Pipe Dreams & Harsh Realities

• The “All-In for Burrow” fantasy:
  Rosenberg floats the wild idea of packaging all of the Jets’ first-round picks to trade for Joe Burrow, arguing only a “true alpha” could reverse the Jets curse.

  • Rosenberg: “You sell a low self-esteem franchise...Top of mind is Cincinnati Bengals. Joe Burrow isn’t having fun. He’s sulking...Hey, you want five picks?” (06:57)
  • Ty, playing the skeptic: “But what I can’t wrap my head around is why Joe Burrow would sign up for that…if I want happiness, I’m going to Minnesota.” (08:35)

• The futility of Jets optimism:
  The hosts brutally break down why elite QBs don’t want the job: toxic culture, lack of infrastructure, and, as Ty jokes, “last time a veteran quarterback went, four plays into the season, he tore his Achilles.” (12:33)

• Other “realistic” QB scenarios:
  They debate trading for lesser QBs (Kyler Murray, Kirk Cousins), and the high risk of trading away draft capital for unstable stars, highlighting Jets fans’ cycle of disappointment.

  • Rosenberg: “It’s not sexy...but that’s the problem with, I think, Jets fandom sometimes—we’re gonna...arrest and you’re reading me off the menu, and it’s a bunch of things I don’t eat.” (17:41)

3. Jets Coaching Development & Accountability

• Caller input - Jet fan disbelief:
  Bernie: “I want to believe in Aaron Glenn…but this team probably needs six or seven new starters on defense. They’re not just a quarterback away.” (13:41)

• Front office critique:
  Rob’s call spotlights fan exhaustion: “Has this coaching staff showed you anything that they can develop? Somebody’s got to be held accountable for that. Because in real life, if you don’t do your job, you’re gone.” (20:17)

• Owner immunity:
  The hosts underscore that, ultimately, no one can hold owner Woody Johnson accountable—which is why misery persists.

  • Jacob: “That’s probably what’s driving Jets fans ballistic. You lose and there’s no repercussions...How does a guy like Aaron Glenn—dripped in dog in the 90s—allow a team like this to roll out?” (22:06)

• Ty’s grim prediction:
  “This time next year we’re going to be having the same conversation, except the difference will be Aaron Glenn might get fired.” (14:36)

4. Giants Head Coach Search & Franchise Crossroads

• The “what if” game with proven coaches:
  Callers and hosts debate whether swapping in coaches like Mike Vrabel or Sean McVay would instantly make the Giants a playoff team, but Ty notes that’s not a unique argument—everyone wants a top-3 coach.

  • Ty: “A lot of teams look at their roster and say, hey, if we had one of the three best coaches in football, I think we’d have a couple more wins.” (33:49)

• General Manager Joe Shane’s uncertain status:
  Reporting (via Jordan Raanan) indicates Shane will likely run the Giants' coaching search, despite his poor record since arriving.

  • Don Hahn, quoting Raanan: “They believe that Joe Shane is going to be back and running the search...but it certainly seems to be trending in the direction that Joe Shane is going to be back.” (47:29)
  • Ty: “No Giants fan wants to hear John Mara or Joe Shane’s coming back…” (48:54)

• Cautious hope for the Giants:
  Jacob: “The Giants have a rare scenario here...to completely turn around the ship…if they nail the head coach.” (38:23)
  Ty: “In the NFL, if you have the quarterback-head coach combination, your floor is the playoffs.” (35:19)
  But both hosts are wary: past failed coaching hires (Ben McAdoo, Joe Judge, Pat Shurmur) loom large.

• Potential Head Coaching Candidates:
  Names floated for interviews: Clint Kubiak, Jeff Hafley, Mike McCarthy (for operations), Ben Johnson, Shula, and discussions about the advantages of an offensive-minded coach.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Glenn’s pressers:
  Ty: “Just no consistency from this head coach as far as the commentary…It leaves me aghast.” (03:38)

• Jets QB search reality check:
  Ty: “If I’m Joe Burrow and I want happiness, I’m going to Minnesota. Like...there are a number of teams that make more sense before you get to the Jets.” (08:35)

• On perpetual losing:
  Jacob: “That’s probably what’s driving Jets fans ballistic. You lose and there’s no repercussions...How does a guy like Aaron Glenn...allow a team like this to roll out?” (22:06)

• Caller’s wisdom:
  Rob: “The true leadership will tell you, in any great line of business...if you make a mistake, you cut your losses immediately...This coaching staff...has not shown you...they can develop a quarterback.” (20:36)

• On the Giants job search:
  Jacob: “Since the Tom Coughlin...mentality, they have not recovered. Ben McAdoo, Joe Judge, Pat Shurmur…I’m losing sleep, I’m not even in New York.” (33:58)

• On hiring the right coach:
  Ty: “If you have the quarterback-head coach combination, your floor is the playoffs…The hope has to be that they nail the head coach and it’s an attractive job because of the blue chippers on the roster...” (35:19)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:30 — Show banter, New York teams setting up the week's tension
• 01:20–03:38 — Aaron Glenn’s press conferences dissected, “effort” controversy
• 04:17 — Defensive collapse, shocking stats, and Glenn’s accountability
• 06:44–11:00 — Fantasizing and mocking the idea of trading for Joe Burrow
• 13:05–17:41 — Callers voice their disbelief in the staff’s ability to develop players, and the folly of overpaying for a QB
• 20:17–22:06 — “Real world” consequences, ownership immunity, and fan outrage at zero accountability
• 22:55 — Speculation on what hiring more consultants or “culture guys” would actually accomplish
• 24:22–26:27 — Jets history of losing coaches; parallels drawn to current regime and debate over the draft or trade strategy
• 31:20–38:23 — Giants segment: Head coach search, “what if” scenarios, and the requirements for returning to relevance
• 47:29–48:54 — Breaking news: Joe Shane likely to return as GM and run the coaching search, hosts lamenting this trend

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Tone & Style

The hosts are opinionated, sarcastic, and self-aware, blending fan exasperation with humor:

• “I’m already in the weeds, Rob. I’m in them.” — Jacob (18:08)
• “Arrest and you’re reading me off the menu, and it’s a bunch of things I don’t eat.” — Rosenberg (17:46)
• “If you want happiness, I’m going to Minnesota…” — Ty (08:35)

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Summary

Hour 1 is a sweeping trek through New York football’s land of broken dreams. The hosts give voice to the anger and exhaustion of Jets fans bewildered by Aaron Glenn’s erratic leadership and organizational apathy, debate the fantasy of landing an elite quarterback, and then pivot to the Giants’ shot at redemption, tempered by concern that the people steering the ship are the same who ran it aground. It’s lively, honest, and unvarnished—football talk for fans who have been through it all.

If you care about New York football, you’ll leave this hour with a sore neck from nodding and more than a few cathartic laughs.

Transcript

[Ty Butler]

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

Cross your legs, honey.

[Ty Butler]

Let's get out of this, innit?

[Don Hahn]

Han, I didn't know you were a screamer. And Rosenberg, happy new Jewish New Year. Not newest Jew Year.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.

[Don Hahn]

Yes, New York is Don, Han and.

[Bernie]

Rosenberg the best threesome I've ever heard.

[Don Hahn]

On ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.

[Ty Butler]

It's New York, where one of our football teams lost a game which angered the fan baseball. And then another one of our football teams won a game which angered the fan base. So that's what we have going for us. Ty Butler and Alex Monaco going until 6:00 clock tonight. 800-919-3776. That's the phone number. Hit me up at Ty D. Butler. That's on X and on Instagram at Alex Monaco. He's got two different Instagram pages. We're still trying to figure out the reason for that. But that's where he is.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

That's where I'm at. Tough to find.

[Ty Butler]

Tough. That's what he is. You brought up and you set this up perfectly. Aaron Glenn, his on field coaching is one we can criticize, but the podium stuff is just alarming. And he's just been bad at press conferences all year long. But yesterday was odd because he first said this, he was upset with his, the effort from the players and coaches.

[Aaron Glenn]

It's very disappointing to see that. But I'm always say this, you know, I'm upset with the effort, but I'm also upset with us as coaches too, though. And again, it's going to start with me, you know, of getting these guys ready to play against a hell of a team for our last like home game right this season. And that bothers me. It does in front of our fans to let them see, you know, how we end this season and we ended like that. It bothers me.

[Ty Butler]

So he clearly, yesterday after the game said he was upset with the effort or the lack thereof from his players. And then here was Aaron Glenn today.

[Aaron Glenn]

Me, I look at that and I look at our brand as man, this is how we're going to go about doing things. And it doesn't matter who's in the game because those guys are coached, those guys in meetings we expect you to play to a high level. So when I get it, we have what, three rookies that's playing. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all. I mean, we got to go out there and we got to execute, we got to play. And is it tough on them? Absolutely it is. This is the NFL and every game is going to be tough. But no one's going to make any excuses by who's in the game, who's not in the game. Guys, we got to work our asses off and we got to win our one on ones and compete at the highest level.

[Ty Butler]

And he also during this press conference mentioned that the effort wasn't the problem after yesterday he criticized the team's effort. Today he says, after you watched film, our guys did not quit. So there's just no consistency from this head coach as far as the commentary following games. Because if you go back a couple weeks ago, the Sunday before they fired Steve Wilkes, he told everyone Steve Wilkes is going to continue to be the defensive coordinator. The very next day Steve Wilkes was fired. So like something's just happening overnight and it leaves me aghast.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

It does. And you know, just thinking back a month ago seems like a lifetime ago. Where they, they out dueled and beat Kirk Cousins. I mean they.

[Ty Butler]

That's impressive to you? Well, a backup quarterback, I mean Kirk.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Cuz, what did he not take it to the Bucks on natty TV the other night? It's not like he's washed. The point is, is you got to win and then you give up 30 plus points in three of the next four, 40 plus and two of them again as the defensive specialist and you're the head coach, it's bothersome. At the same time, I hear him taking a little bit of accountability, but you like that.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, the coach taking accountability. JJ Redick should learn a thing or two about that.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Yeah, but like even JJ Redick, which Ayton was mocking. Oh, you thought we actually had an uncomfortable practice, like good one. At least Reddick isn't smiling after a lethargic effort from his guys. And that's the thing with the Aaron Glenn experiment that isn't working at the end of the season. You actually can tip your cap to Kafka yesterday more so than Aaron Glenn in the last month here because he stepped in, lost a few, took it on the chin, still got the boys up. I'd actually love to go down the stat row, tie Aaron Glenn was a solid cover corner, played under parcels. You allow a quarterback to go for a 90% completion percentage minimum 20 attempts. How many times does that even happen in the history of the sport? And it's against a rival on your field. There's no pride, there's no dog. It's real, real bad. If they're keeping Aaron Glenn, I only have one solution. Put the pressure on him by making it, making him uncomfortable and, and having to face like let's literally go through on a PowerPoint. Here's what happened, here's what you said. Let's not do that again. I mean I don't, I don't know where else to go with it.

[Ty Butler]

Well, he's going to have to start with getting a defensive coordinator in here. He's got to get a quarterback. And I think the message that he will try to disseminate I guess to Woody Johnson is hey man, you told the world our quarterback was trash, right? He's, he's stunk. And once we upgrade at that position, we get a defensive coordinator in here, we'll be better. Biggest problem is they're headed for a 3 and 14 season despite facing the seventh easiest schedule. And it's just going to get tougher because they're playing.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Yeah, I heard Bart say it earlier. They're playing the Giant schedule next year.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, they're playing the AFC west and the NFC north next year.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

It's going to get ugly.

[Ty Butler]

The afc. It's AFC West, AFC west and NFC North. Yeah, you said that. I'm sorry. AFC west and NFC North. So you go from the seventh easiest schedule to that brutal of a schedule and think it's just going to get better. I just, I would love to hear from a Jet fan right now who's optimistic.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I have one move we could talk out. I know you're not going to want to hear it, but there is one move.

[Ty Butler]

Oh, I would be glad to hear it.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

You take all five of the draft picks.

[Ty Butler]

Okay.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

And you sell a low self esteem franchise that's very low right now. And there's a few of them. Top of mind is Cincinnati Bengals. A Bengals. Joe Burrow isn't having fun. He's sulking on the playground. He's sulking in the sandbox. $50 million man. Hey, you guys want five picks? We'll take them. And the contract.

[Ty Butler]

You know who also has to agree to that trade?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Joe Burrow.

[Ty Butler]

Joe Burrow. So, so why is he saying I'll.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Tell you this because One one Alpha, One Alpha wants to take on the Challenge. I don't know who it is yet. Might be Burrow, might not. Of the Joe Namath curse. Put on the mink and take him to the promise act.

[Ty Butler]

One competitor just said he's unhappy in Cincinnati. A team that couple years ago was in the Super Bowl. The team that has Jamar Chase and T. Higgins.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

You know what's different about what's Cincinnati unhappy? You know what would make me happy?

[Ty Butler]

Playing for the New York Jets.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Because I think there's people, there's a little bit of misery. Loves company here. If Burrows are angry millionaire and not happy in a. What Cincinnati is mid Midwest esque.

[Ty Butler]

Right?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I mean Ohio. I mean, you know, it's in the. It's in the happier part of the country. Will come on down to a place that has no patience and is dying for winning football and flip it around. We've seen it before. It can happen.

[Ty Butler]

Listen, I guess, let me ask you.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

As a fan, as a fan, would you do it? In a heartbeat.

[Ty Butler]

Of course I would do that. But what I can't wrap my head around is why Joe Burrow would sign up for that. Because if I'm Joe Burrow and I want happiness, I'm going to Minnesota. Like there are a number of teams that if we're making a list of where it makes most sense for him to take his talent to show up before you get to the Jets. The reason why Aaron Rodgers looked at the jets as some prime destination, it was twofold. One is he didn't have any suitors. The second is we saw a tremendous defense, great skill position players, and it looked like at the time they were a quarterback away. We just talked about list of things the jets are good at right now and Joe Burrow's like, aha, that's where I want to play.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

No, I'm not saying he wants to.

[Ty Butler]

But he has to want it because he's got a no trade clause.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Yeah, but there's a world where maybe you could sell him on it. Maybe, maybe. But how you would have.

[Ty Butler]

I'm Joe Burrow. Let's do it. Let's, let's. I'm Joe Burrow.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I sit down with, from a Hollywood script standpoint, Joe taking over for Joe with the same walk in swag as talk to me.

[Ty Butler]

You're Aaron Glenn and the brass. I'm Joe Burrow. I want to hear it.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Do me a solid throw on a old school boomer clip. Look at the history of the Cincinnati Bengals. It's right there. Is it not? Tit for tat with jets culture. In a lot of ways.

[Ty Butler]

Excuse me, sir. I was in the AFC championship game three years ago.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Ferry was in the super bowl four years ago. The thing with the Bengals is they're building their team like a Madden roster. Let's pay one wider team.

[Ty Butler]

How are the jets. If the. If the Bengals are building their team like a Madden roster, how are the jets building their team?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Well, let's just give.

[Ty Butler]

Give a.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

A minuscule amount of credit to the fact that the jets finagled five first round drop. That's not nothing.

[Ty Butler]

That is the five first round picks that we are now trading to get you. So won't actually matter to you once you get here.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

At the same time though, they're still. To me, you'd be selling him on one of the greatest comeback stories in the history of the sport. That's what you would be selling him on.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, but do you think, Joe, do.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

You think you're going to win a Super bowl in Cincinnati?

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, I can go to Minnesota and do it. How about that? I don't see that defense. You see that head coach?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Sure. I'm not saying better destinations for him, but is there a bigger splash? There's no bigger media market. There's no team lower that you could take up.

[Ty Butler]

You know what this sounds like? This, Jacob? This sounds like those meetings LeBron, Bosh and Wade were a part of where we're doing the whole, you know, montage. Bring in the Soprano. Like this is. This is the same thing we're following the Knicks script of. Hey, I don't have actual proof, but trust me, Joe, we can do this thing. Just believe it. Just believe it.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Method man, we could get you. Can I get any optimism on Burrow?

[Ty Butler]

No, you of course would love it. It's just not going to happen.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

If there's any inklings that Burrows. Let's just. Let's just say it's like a metaphor and he's a. And there's a lot of mileage and a lot of injuries and a lot of dings on this car. We're buying a car that's should have been nicer than it is. He's been banged up every single year. Just about banged up. Banged up. Burrow. Joe, are you tired? So it might take a year to get you some infrastructure, but I'm going to. You would if you're Aaron Glenn, you go. I'm going to do exactly what Jim Harbaugh did in his first move with khaki pants when he got to the Chargers.

[Ty Butler]

Joe, offensive line, let me go get.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

You A household left tackle. And we will go have that already.

[Ty Butler]

So you know what's funny? He's like Joe Burrows beat up. So, you know, it's a great idea. Let me go to the place where the last time a veteran quarterback went four plays into the season, he tore his Achilles.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

There's.

[Ty Butler]

That sounds amazing.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

There could be one guy that would want to take on the challenge.

[Ty Butler]

It's just not working. 800 Night 1 Night 3776 Bernie's in Milburn. What's up, Bernie? Hey, Bernie. Bernie.

[Bernie]

Hi.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Hi, guys.

[Alex Monaco]

Sorry about that. How are you?

[Ty Butler]

What's going on, man? Talk to us.

[Bernie]

What. What a. What a day.

[Alex Monaco]

And so much to unpack with this jets team. But, you know, would Joe Burrow want to come here?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I don't.

[Bernie]

I wouldn't.

[Alex Monaco]

I wouldn't send my son.

[Bernie]

But when I think about.

[Alex Monaco]

When I think about Aaron Glenn and I want to believe in Aaron Glenn when, you know, when you look at a guy like very ball and he represents the Patriots way and how many Super Bowls did he win and how much winning football was he part of? Aaron Glenn was the corner, by the way, on the spike play, the big spike play against Dan Marino.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Great call out.

[Bernie]

What is that?

[Alex Monaco]

What is this allure to saying great Jet? And I am a lifelong Jet fan, so I'm not wedded to Glenn. And what I think is, you know, this is a team, if I look at it objectively, probably needs six or seven new starters on defense. They're not just a quarterback away trading five draft picks that could really help rebuild this team. Could be attractive to a head coach with some proven experience. Now, Is that Mike McCarthy? Do you back up the truck and give it to him? Make reparations for the mistake they made several years ago? I don't know if he'd take it. There's going to be a lot of good jobs available. But if Woody Johnson sitting around with his, his management team and saying, we're 07 next year, what's he going to do? This is reminiscent of Dable and probably what the Giants were thinking about. So lots to unpack.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah. And I appreciate the call, Bernie. Can I give you a prediction, Alex?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ty Butler]

This time next year we're going to be having the same conversation, except the difference will be Aaron Glenn might get fired.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Well, there is a viable solution out there. It's not glamorous. It's. It won't be fun, but it would be a step because it to the McCarthy if you brought in. Let's just. Let's play not going for broke and let's just play. I guess we'll play not to lose. I hate to say that, but let's play not to lose. What would this roster with Kirk Cousins.

[Bernie]

No.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

And Mike McCarthy. I'm not talking a playoff run. I'm not talking championship exercise. I'm just talking.

[Ty Butler]

They're not firing Aaron. They're not firing him. That's why I feel like these conversations about who the replacement is are futile because just not going to happen.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Would McCarthy take a role? Would he take some sort of football operations role? Not a coordinator, but no coaching job.

[Ty Butler]

He's going to get a job this cycle. I think so. He might be. You saw Marcus Freeman's going back to Notre Dame. Mike McCarthy might be the guy for the Giants. Like Tibbs. And that's like the Tibbs parallel where we. If you're the Giants, you just need to get back to stability and being recognizable. We don't even know who you are. Like we watched Bears, Niners and Bill's Eagles and it's like it's a completely different sport than what the jets and Giants are playing. I understand the Giants look good, but as I mentioned earlier, who's got the worst record in the NFL since 2017? That would be the Giants.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ty Butler]

Mike McCarthy. If you're looking for someone to just get you back to stability, like we're just back on the map. Right. He's your guy.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

But they don't want to do that.

[Ty Butler]

We don't know. They haven't gotten to their coaching search yet.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I. There's a number when you watch a game and that's why infrastructure and just competence from a coaching perspective can get you wins. I mean, Snoop Huntley just flat out outperformed like this jets team has had. Obviously Tyrod. There's guys that have been through this system that can win a ball game. Matter of fact, you can make the case this team probably racks off a couple more wins. If they had Tyrod rolling out in September. You could make.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, maybe the Denver.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

It's like talking it out with you. If Glenn's staying and you want to go for a home run like Burrow. Obviously a wish list with the five first round draft picks which by the way, I mean, is that not nothing?

[Ty Butler]

That's a lot to give up.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I know. And I looked it up. In the history of franchise quarterbacks getting dealt five first rounders would reset the market. So you reset the market. But because just calling it out because.

[Ty Butler]

This is unprecedented, a quarterback in his prime this good who's been to that.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Would be the wish list. Now the lower hanging fruit would like. Ah. All right. Two first rounders for Kyler Murray. Little gross, but Kyler Murray's not stable. I know Burrow's not the most stable, but that's what like a Kirk Cousins. It's so. It's gross to talk about, but there's not that many.

[Ty Butler]

It's not sexy.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

No. But like, that's the problem with, I think jets fandom sometimes we're going to.

[Ty Butler]

Arrest and you're reading me off the menu. And it's a bunch of things I don't. I don't eat.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

But your stomach's gonna get full when you leave rather than dropping 300. Starving. Welcome to LA.

[Ty Butler]

And in some cases, I'd rather starve. How about that? 800-919-3776. Rob's in. Mom. And what's up, Rob?

[Alex Monaco]

What up, fellas? Hey, don't let Ty get you into drag you into the weeds.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I'm already in the weeds, Rob. I'm in them.

[Alex Monaco]

Listen over here because. Because he. He does that to everybody. That's ties. Ty's M.O. is just. He'll drag into the weeds. Call something sus out on you on your Instagram profile. Troll use.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

He just ties got me sweating in air conditioning right now.

[Alex Monaco]

Ty's like, ty, just bring.

[Ty Butler]

My wife said that.

[Alex Monaco]

So here's the deal. Come on, man. Hi. Because you know it's true. Don't lie. Don't lie to this audience. We know you.

[Ty Butler]

What's up, Rob? What you got, my man?

[Alex Monaco]

All right, so here's my thing. I. I don't want to reach for a quarterback. Not going to do that now. I'm very comfortable taking Mendoza or more either one just because of their completion percentages and the number of starts they've had in college. It's been proven that according, you know, they call it the Parcells method. 30 starts or more. And that's what he always looked for. But the more, you know, this time has gone on, offenses have changed. So you're really looking at a benchmark of probably about 25 starts or more. But Dante Moore's completion percentage jumped significantly higher this year against Indiana, he didn't fare so well. I think they lost by 10 against them. My point is this. You can have. You can have a great quarterback who has a high completion percentage. That's what. That's what made Troy Aikman so great was. He was just. He was accurate as all get up. That's what made Troy Aikman, so great. But with Mendoza and Dante Moore, there's room for them to do that. And they. Out of the quarterbacks that could possibly come out, these are the two guys. I'm not reaching for a quarterback though in this draft or in any draft because your greatest asset of what you have are the picks you have right now. And more importantly, has this coaching staff showed you anything that they can develop? I'm not talking about past history, I'm talking about present coaching in that building. What have they shown you that tells you but they can develop a quarterback?

[Ty Butler]

Problem is. The problem is, and I'll let you finish the problem with what you're saying is if you believe there is no evidence they can develop a quarterback, then whether the quarterback is a reach or not, you don't have faith in them. So you don't think they should draft the quarterback 100%.

[Alex Monaco]

Which is my last point. I don't care whether or not. Listen, you don't double down on the mistake just because you made it. The true leadership will tell you in any and any great line of business will show you if you make a mistake, you cut your losses immediately. You don't continue down this road. Time is an asset that you cannot get back. And in terms of this, this coaching staff, this coaching staff, whether it was, whether it's all of them or some of them, Aaron Glenn is at the head of that. He needs to be held accountable for that. And this team has not shown you, nor has the coaching staff shown you that they can develop a quarterback or develop the tal already on the roster. So somebody's got to be held accountable for that. Because in real life, real world, if you do that, it's your job. Let's say if you don't show up to your shift on time at the radio station, are you going to have a job?

[Ty Butler]

I don't necessarily have the security that Aaron and I appreciate your call, Rob. That Aaron Glenn has when he's getting a five year contract. This is a problem. I don't like what.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

No one's holding Woody accountable. It's hard to hold an owner in a billionaire account.

[Ty Butler]

What are you going to do?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

But like again, this dude presses the.

[Ty Butler]

Doctor over his state stadium. Like who, who cares?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Wasn't it true he like he was. Was he or was he not embarrassed in front of his international friends in the Vikings game and that's why he pressed the.

[Alex Monaco]

The.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, that's just a rumor.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Which is like, yeah, that now we're talking about a fascinating complex at probably we can't. That's your five 60s.

[Ty Butler]

That's where you draw the line, right?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Well, I just. How do you to the call that Rob? Which is a great point. It's like there's. That's probably what's driving jets fans ballistic. You lose and there's no repercussions. You lose and there's no recorrection. You fire Wilkes, you get worse on defense. You hire a defensive guy, they're lethargic with their effort. They don't tackle. They don't have dog. How does a guy like Aaron Glenn, who was dripped in dog and a physical Corner from the 90s, allow a team like this to roll out and then allow himself to lay on his own L's on the podium? It's incomprehensible. There is no savings this team unless you bring in some sort of advisory board or you go again, not glamorous at all. But like I don't really want to put two in there. It doesn't really strike me as as.

[Ty Butler]

So let's drink. A guy who could only play in in the heat to. To MetLife Stadium. I think that he's not good in the cold.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

So like. But what? Like a Kurt cut?

[Ty Butler]

Like, that's the thing. You're always focusing on a consultant. That doesn't matter. Man. You need to get a quarterback 100%. That's the consultant. David Goggins can come in here. None of that matters. Like, let's get a quarterback good. A quarterback who knows what the hell he's doing and just hope and pray to God that this coaching staff, despite what we've seen in year one where the results are alarming and red flags are everywhere to the point where like he should be one and done that. Despite all of that, they can upon getting their quarterback show. Yeah, we know what we're doing here. 800-919-3776 go to Alan Westchester. What's up, Al?

[Bernie]

Hey, what's going on? What's going on I think with this Aaron Glenn, you know, it's too early to say that he's in over his head because when you come down to it, only Rex Ryan and Bill Parcells have been able to do anything with these jets. And practically every coach would be in over their heads trying to coach the jets and get them right. So I think give them another year without Justin Fields and see what you got to see. Improvements and wins. Improvements in the way they play.

[Ty Butler]

So let me ask you a question, Al. So you think it's too early To. To declare he's in over his head.

[Alex Monaco]

Yes.

[Ty Butler]

Okay, so how many coaches in Jet history in their first season had 13 or more losses?

[Bernie]

I don't know, but yeah, so that would be two.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, that. That would be Adam Gase and Rich Code site. Were those guys in over their head? Yeah, I think they were. I think they were. So. So what this is trending toward is us being right. Like, you can say he's. He has to get another year, which we know is going to happen, of course, but this idea that right now we can't declare he's in over his head. I mean, the results are what they are, bro.

[Alex Monaco]

Okay.

[Bernie]

Name the greatest coaches in jets history.

[Ty Butler]

Well, it'd be Parcells.

[Alex Monaco]

Over. Over Rex Ryan.

[Ty Butler]

Well, I mean, Bill Parcells did get some to a 12 and 4 in a conference championship, if you want to say Rex. But we're talking about Aaron Glenn. Yeah, I mean, if you want to argue who the best coach in Jet history is, I think that's like, irrelevant to the conversation we're having. And that is this current coach right now has shown you. And maybe it changes miraculously, but it's not great. So 13 or more losses in a. In their first year as a head coach. It's actually Robert Sala and Rich Coltight. Gase got to 2 and 14 in year two in year two. But Salah and Kotite, 13 or more losses in year number one. And we saw how those things ended. So history tells us we're in a world of trouble.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

So do you want them to draft young first round at quarterback and then maybe bring in someone that can win some ball games as a backup at quarterback? And that's. That's just where you go from here.

[Ty Butler]

Or if you can't get your quarterback, why not trade for Shador Sanders?

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They're just like really good at that.

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[Ty Butler]

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

The warriors need to spend time winning. They're 1616 and Steve curse in the media talking about how brutal their schedule was. You guys have seen it all. You're tipping your hand at the poker table, letting everyone know you're exhausted. I get it. But that should be assumed. It's crazy that in the post Jimmy Butler Heat scenario to Heat look like they just didn't. They didn't even need to rebuild. They retooled.

[Ty Butler]

That's what good.

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

Oh, come on, let's do it.

[Ty Butler]

Let's do it. Let's go to Dave in Westchester. He wants to talk some Giants. What's up Dave?

[Bernie]

Hey, how you doing? Happy New Year to both of you.

[Ty Butler]

Happy New Year.

[Bernie]

I don't know how sick marriage. I'm not really sure but I'm saying that somebody needs to get, get to him to let him know that this is so, so important. Because I'm one of the few people to think the Giants are not just a good team, a really good team. They had Bravel and they had McVeigh. They have eight wins. It's an automatic. Automatic.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I agree with that.

[Ty Butler]

Wait, I'd Give them. Dave. Dave, let me ask you a question. Because. Because this part is very important.

[Bernie]

Good.

[Ty Butler]

So you just said the Giants with a, you know, Mike Rabel type Coach or Sean McVeigh would be a very good team. Correct?

[Bernie]

Right. I said you'd have eight wins.

[Ty Butler]

Okay. So you then said they would have eight wins, which by definition, at eight and eight, they would be mediocre. So, no, they wouldn't be a very good team. They'd be an average team.

[Bernie]

Right. But they'd be on their way to the playoffs this year at 8.

[Ty Butler]

The 8 and 8 Giants will be on their way to the playoffs in.

[Bernie]

The NFC 7 season, 26, 27 season. They'd be.

[Ty Butler]

You just said the Giants with Sean McVay or Mike Vrabel would be 8 and 8, which is a very good team. That's what you just said. And they would be on their way to the playoffs.

[Bernie]

Yeah, because this, this, this year coming up right now. Not now, today. I'm talking about the year coming up. This year, this would have been big day. Second year, he'd be going into the playoffs this year, 100. So would Rabel. So would I can start naming coaches.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

So he's saying I'm picking up. I'm picking up. What Dave's putting down. He's saying there would be.

[Bernie]

He just likes to argue with me about LeBron James, who's hard.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I get what you're saying. They have their quarterback. They have.

[Ty Butler]

Listen to that.

[Bernie]

They have their quarterback. They have a good team. They have a good team. They would have won eight games this year with a very good coach. I can name other coaches other than McVay and Brave. Okay. They wouldn't. Eight games.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Ty Butler]

I just feel like a lot of teams look at their way, they'd be.

[Bernie]

In the playoffs this season.

[Ty Butler]

I just feel like. And I appreciate the call, Dave. That was. That was very entertaining. I just feel like a lot of teams look at their roster and say, hey, if we had one of the three best coaches in football, I think we'd have a couple more wins. So that's not a unique take. And then he.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

It's frustrating, though, in this hindsight's 20 20, but frable, if I'm not mistaken, would have taken a call from every team in the league.

[Ty Butler]

But he was not passing up the New England job.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Sure. Ben Johnson, yeah, maybe that year prior, he was not ready to make the leap, but we knew he was eventually. Like, this is where the Giants do have a much different scenario than the jets, they have talent and they have a vacancy and they have an opportunity and Shane has an opportunity to right a lot of wrongs. I'm concerned, Ty, we could talk it out. They're not going to get it right. I mean, since the Tom Coughlin, if you're five minutes early to a meeting, you're still late mentality, they have not recovered. Ben McAdoon, Joe Judge, Patrick Shermer. I mean, I'm losing sleep. I'm not even in New York. It's, it's incomprehensible some of these calls. So I'm nervous that they get it wrong. But if they get it right, I don't know why this team could not be, I don't want to say Bears esque type leap from last year.

[Ty Butler]

So you're onto something and you're hoping that because of what you saw in New England, in Chicago, in Jacksonville, that if you have the quarterback and you nail the head coach, you're a playoff team. In the NFL, if you have the quarterback, head coach combination, you're a playoff team. That's your floor, right?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I think I make that case, yeah.

[Ty Butler]

Injury because people will bring up the Ravens, but like Lamar Jackson was hurt, they fell to one in five. If in this league you have the head coach and quarterback combination, your floor is the playoffs. And the hope has to be that they nail the head coach and it's an attractive job because of the blue chippers on the roster because in theory we think that you have your quarterback. It just concerns me that we're allowing the general manager who got his first head coach pick incorrectly, we're allowing him to now get a second try despite the fact that, that, oh, by the way, since he's been here with the Giants, he's got what, a 16? Hang on, I'm pulling it up. Since Daybo's been here or. I'm sorry, Joe Shane's been here with the Giants, he's, you know, 6 and 27 since the start of 2024. Like that concerns me.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

He should go and he ought to go. His kid picked Jaden Daniels. He couldn't do it right in front of his face. I mean that is one of the worst clips in addition to obviously the Saquon behind the scenes stuff I've ever seen. So there must be, if we just kind of call it like you're saying, why play the head coach, Aaron Glenn, like he's, he's got clearly an immunity with Woody Johnson on some level. Ty, it feels like it's the same immunity with Shane and Mayor. I mean you look at his output and why in a. This is not the jets. This is the New York Football Giants. This team was so such a historic in my Now I'm a millennial 90s kid but like Eli big time my team to pick this team once upon a time. This is a. This is a proud organization that I feel has an opportunity to get completely back all the way back. They're the second best defense by points against in the division. They just situationally have fallen time and time again into traps. That to me is coaching. That's stable. That's. That's all of that. If you sit here and you're watching dart and you feel like he. He doesn't have it. I hate to say I don't think you know ball this dude is going to be a starting quarterback. I genuinely believe that you mean a.

[Ty Butler]

Star because he already is a starting quarterback.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

But yeah like he's here to stay. He's not a one. It's not a one hit one like this guy like God perfect world. If Kiffin came probably would have worked nicely. He just like this is one of those instances Ty. I would say go offense with the coaching hire. Don't go defense. Don't. Don't try to do that fickle. You have to be really. It's almost like a big three. If you go Vrabel defense with May make sure you have Josh McDaniels. Otherwise you do the Ben Johnson Caleb thing. Otherwise you're going to be in another situation with a trustman or an Eber fluzen. You're just walking backwards. But the Giants have a rare scenario here in an honesty where they have an all honest truth. They have a chance here to completely turn around the ship.

[Ty Butler]

800-919-3776 go to Jamaica and talk to Moose Queens. What up?

[Bernie]

What up guy? What up, Alex? Been a minute since I spoke to Alice. Ironically it was the last time when we were talking in December of 2023 about what the jets should do with Aaron Rodgers and we see how that turned out.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

We've come a long way, Moose.

[Bernie]

I know it's. It's two steps forward don't move forward at all. But what you call it. Happy New Year to you guys and all that stuff. Oh you had a good Christmas, Alex. But so yeah, I have three quick points about the death of the Giants. More about the Giants. But quickly. You guys remember the. The poll that came out by NFL general managers that ran both the jets and the Giants in the bottom five in terms of talent. So like, like I said, the jets could win seven to nine games if they don't poop the bed because of their schedule. And I don't see the giants winning more four or five games because they're playing 12 playoff teams. I said like it was just screaming me in the face. That's one thing. The other thing it was said during Barton Carlin with Pat o' Keefe and Bart that the Raiders were trying to lose. Max crosby probably broke TVs and iPads once he found out he was on IR. And I can tell from the game whatever blanket coverage vanilla defense they were playing dart was carving it up so it was obvious we were going to win. As much as I want the draft pick, it'd be an embarrassment to say you're a Giants fan if you lose to a team.

[Ty Butler]

It's already embarrassing, Moose. How much more embarrassing could it be? It's already embarrassing.

[Bernie]

And that being said, to your point, if we are going to get an offensive minded head coach, it is imperative on whatever GM stays, whether he shame, obviously Shane or whatever GM comes in or whatever makeup that because of the talent developing we currently have, whatever free agents, whether it be a Carrick case or or illuminor offensive, whatever we replace with draft picks to be moving forward because we have pieces as a Giants fan. If with the schedule that comes out later next year and DART progressing and neighbors coming back and Scatter Boo coming back and drafting a wide receiver to go with our neighbors that we actually have.

[Ty Butler]

Thank you Mose. We appreciate the call. Unfortunately, my man, we're up against the clock.

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

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[Ty Butler]

You're a Dipset guy at all?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

A little bit.

[Ty Butler]

I really mean it. Yo. It's so funny, Jacob. Just because this was my era growing up. Ty Butler, Alex Monaco going to 6 o'.

[Bernie]

Clock.

[Ty Butler]

The versus dipset and the Locks. I was like, oh, Dipset got this on Smash. It's over.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Do you know if Dipsets, jets or Giants?

[Ty Butler]

I'm not sure. That's.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Yeah, I really wouldn't know either. Like, I know a lot of, like, the famous, like, jets fans, like a Kevin James, like a Method man, but like. Yeah, but like Giants. I don't. I mean, I'm not Giants fan, so it's kind of hard for that too. But you know what Cameron is.

[Ty Butler]

What is he. No, I don't. I don't know. That's. I think that's what you asked that we said. We're trying to figure out. Yeah.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Oh, but I. I might have been the only, like, Harlem guy that knew Locks was walking away with that.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah. They destroyed like, it was bad just.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Because, you know, growing up on Dipset. I know. Like, they're not taking it seriously. They're coming in with the flyest gear. They're coming in, like, individually. Yeah.

[Ty Butler]

High and drunk. Like it was a. It was a bloodbath. So, Alex, you think. You think Brady during breaks of Bill's Eagles is like checking the scoreboard between Raiders, Giants?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

That's a great question.

[Ty Butler]

His number one pick is just dangling there. I mean, he's on the call for Bill's Eagles. What's.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I don't know. What's aging worse is investment in the Raiders or Birmingham? Was it Birmingham city over there?

[Ty Butler]

Listen, I don't know. The Raiders getting the number one overall pick. They've got some weapons on that. Bowers got shut down for the season. Genty wasn't as good as we thought he was going to be campaign, but he's he's excellent. I mean, geez.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Gentian Bowers.

[Ty Butler]

Could be. You get your quarterback. Yeah.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Gotta get a quarterback.

[Ty Butler]

We'll see. And Max Crosby, I think will get traded at some point.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Think so.

[Ty Butler]

So maybe you get, you know, more picks or some players in return. That, that can be the division's brutal. That's. That's what's going to hurt them.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Brutal.

[Ty Butler]

Charter Chargers, Chiefs, Mahomes is back, and then the Broncos, who, you know, all of a sudden look like world beaters.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I know in that division, it's like great coaching across the board, very above average quarterback play. Can you, even if you're the Raiders, compete with that? Maybe go the. Maybe go the opposite. Maybe try to triple down on a menacing defense, ground and pound, build the offensive line.

[Ty Butler]

You're still going to need a quarterback.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Still going to court, no question. I just don't know if they're going to outfox any of those three teams for years to come.

[Ty Butler]

But I mean, listen, who saw when Denver drafted Bo Nicks? Did anyone think they'd be the number one seed two years later? Like this league is just that stuff happens. Like we all had given up on Trevor Lawrence and now they're just bludgeoning teams.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

That's why it's just a fascinating league. It's so much about fit and culture. I mean, that's why the jets scenario. Like to watch Geno go get a second life in Seattle. Sam Darnold is just unbelievable Hollywood comeback.

[Ty Butler]

Story, by the way. So here's a stat that blows your mind.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Oh, I know where you're going with this.

[Ty Butler]

Unreal.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

It's jets fans should plug in and.

[Ty Butler]

There'S a local flavor to it. So five, five quarterbacks in NFL history have had back to back 13 win seasons. You might be familiar with the first four and, and Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Brett Favre. Yeah. Because of the victory yesterday for the Seahawks over the Panthers. Add Sam Darnold to that list of five guys and then you in, you know, looking at how impressive it is, you're like, oh, wait. Darnold, former Jet. Rogers, former Jet. Brett Favre, former Jet. Peyton Manning should have been a Jet, but decided, you know what? I'd rather go back to college. And then Brady just killed the jets his whole career career.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Speaking of Darnold, in Pacific Northwest, is Clint Kubiak in the running for the Giants head coaching job? What do you think Giants fans would feel about that?

[Ty Butler]

Him, Halfley Shula, the coordinator.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Shula's a DC though. That's a little bit of a different person, right? He's excellent.

[Ty Butler]

They're going to interview everyone. Grandson of John they, they have, they are going to and rightfully so interview everyone. Here's what's interesting to me. Jordan Renan on DPA Tron Rothenberg says he expects Joe Shane to be back next year.

[Don Hahn]

I spoke to people this week. Apparently what's going on is that Joe Shane, Giants in their coaching search are operating and making it known to people out there in the coaching world, in the coaching search world that essentially they believe that Joe Shane is going to be back and running the search and moving forward as the general manager of this team. Now, the Giants have said, and Shane even said it, they'll do their final evaluation after the season and everything will be evaluated until including the general manager. But it certainly seems to be trending in the direction that Joe Shane is going to be back. And part of that is also the Giants have uncertainty with their ownership, right John Mara is dealing with illness. Steve Tisch hasn't been quite as involved as he has in the past over the years. He hasn't spoken publicly in what, like five years now. So because of that, I think that's part of all part of this equation here and that Joe Shane, he's running the coaching search right now and it seems at least from people talking to people around the league that he's likely.

[Ty Butler]

To be back 21:45 One is Joe Shane in his four years at the helm of the New York Giants. And that's the guy we've just decided, you know what, let's give him another shot, hire another head coach. Which means you're locked into him for what, two more years because are you going to fire him after year one of your head coach? I just like I get why it's difficult I get why it's difficult because of the circumstances surrounding John Mara. But no Giant fan wants to hear John Merritt or Joe Shane's coming back.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Ty I think it's I don't say it's a lock. I if there were Vegas odds on his Aaron Glenn staying and Joe Shane, I would double Costanza dip on a parlay. Lay the juice and take take the action.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how to.

[Don Hahn]

The sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.