Don LaGreca (1:20)

Brett Pesci back, right? Not that he's any kind of household, even in NHL circles, but they're nine and one with him in the lineup. And they finally got him back last night.

Alan Hahn (1:29)

That's good. That's a player. That's the best stat.

Don LaGreca (1:33)

And then I'm heading to Utah tonight. I was gonna watch the game today. I was gonna go to bed early like a responsible human being, but I had some. I had some issues with my travel that I had to get taken care of. And until it was taken care of, I wasn't able to fall asleep. And so I listened to it on the radio. Matty and Chico did a great job and got to hear that. So looking forward to flying to Utah tonight. And now things are back to normal in the NBA. Our long national nightmare for some is now over.

Alan Hahn (2:06)

Sorta. It is. Sorta.

Don LaGreca (2:09)

Oh, yeah. Tell us why it may not be, Alan. Tell us why.

Alan Hahn (2:14)

I mentioned it yesterday, the initial injury report. And I said, you know, I have a theory. And as I keep looking at the injury report today, it has not changed. As of 2:30, there were four players, four rotation players on the injury report for the Knicks, three of them starters. So OG Anunoby, questionable left knee contusion. Mitchell Robinson, questionable left ankle injury management, which it's the first game of back to back and you know, he doesn't play back to backs, so that's not the surprising one. And Carl Anthony Towns, questionable with left knee soreness, which we saw in the NBA cup final. He did have a little bit of a knee issue in that game, though. He did finish it. And last but not least, Josh Hart, he's also questionable. He has a rectus abdominal strain.

Don LaGreca (3:12)

Okay.

Alan Hahn (3:14)

Anyways, so could you see these guys sitting this game? We know Bridges and sitting because he never sits and Brunson probably don't want to, but.

Don LaGreca (3:24)

Right.

Alan Hahn (3:25)

It's a game that does count. Now it's at Indiana. Indiana's got the worst record in the league. They have, everybody's injured and it is the first game of a back to back. This would be. They're in the midst now, Don, this is, would be by Sunday, four games in six days. That includes flying from Vegas to the East Coast. So this is your reward for winning the NBA Cup.

Don LaGreca (3:50)

Right.

Alan Hahn (3:50)

And so like, are the Knicks going to have to potentially punt on a game tonight? Because you don't want to wear your players out and you want to make sure that everybody's okay. And it's the first game back to back and you want everybody in the lineup for a home game on Friday night. Right, against the Sixers, which they're a good team. So, you know, this, this there is to the theory and to the John Winthrops of the world that, you know, have a problem with the, with Wednesday's game not meaning anything is this could be the residual effect is some guys might have to sit out tonight, but we'll see. I don't know if anybody's sitting out, but I see the report and four guys are listed as questionable that you would have expected to play.

Don LaGreca (4:33)

Now, there's two things. One you could answer, one you can't. The one you can't answer is, you know what if they lose because of this, people will freak out. Like you said, Indiana is one of the worst teams in the league. You should be able to win them.

Alan Hahn (4:45)

With guys they can't score that are healthy.

Don LaGreca (4:48)

So it won't matter. No harm, no foul. But what you could answer, I guess, or at least give an educated guess, same scenario, road game, home game, back to back nights. But the road game is Detroit. Is it the same thing or is it, hey, I got to Play these guys because this is a team we're chasing in the conference. This could be really meaningful for us.

Alan Hahn (5:12)

I don't know.

Don LaGreca (5:13)

So are they resting guys? Because it could still be a win even with the guys rested.

Alan Hahn (5:17)

Well, I don't know. Look, I really don't know how to answer that. I think it just, I'm looking at it from the, from the aspect of players that don't normally want to rest or sit, might have to sit. That's all I'm looking at. Like that. Like, I'll put it this way. Brunson doesn't want to sit. You know that he's not on the list. Anunoby's on the list. But if the game's in Indiana, he played at Indiana in college. I think he wants to be an All Star. He could be an all Star and he's already missed a lot of games. So he doesn't want. If I'm him, I want to play because I don't want any more games missed because I don't want that held against me when it comes to All Stars in a couple, in a couple of months. So he's, you know, there'll be a little bit more extra motivation for him to play. Towns, you want to make sure that knees okay. Hard. That sounds like a very painful injury, Don.

Don LaGreca (6:09)

Right.

Alan Hahn (6:10)

Rectus abdominal strength, rectus interruptus.

Don LaGreca (6:15)

That was what Jet fans went through at the end of the Rex Ryan era.

Alan Hahn (6:18)

Oh yeah. But what's funny is though is that you would think that Brunson's the one that has a rectus abdominis strain, but nobody, maybe Hart would have a, a thumb, if you know what I mean.

Don LaGreca (6:27)

Well, I wouldn't criticize the players. Listen, this is the load management garbage that we talk about in the NBA. And part of the problem and the thing is I still believe in my heart the reason that you have this in season tournament is because you want to make the games more meaningful. But now you've almost given some of these organizations a reason to rest guys because that see that to me and I haven't heard this from, from John Winthrop or any of the anti NBA cup guys I've heard. I don't want to hang a banner. There are bigger fish to fry. The game doesn't count the standings. The one thing that I can get on board with is do you really want when you're competing for a championship to play all these extra games of stress and travel? All right, that game against Orlando, if it was a regular season game in Orlando or New York would be stressful because it's a conference opponent, but not nearly as stressful as a semifinal game in the cup in Vegas. Right. So that. And now, you know, short turnaround after you win the championship game, another stressful game. Also 25 away from your home. And now you got a short turnaround. Got to be in Indiana in less than 48 hours to play a regular season. That, to me, is more of an argument than anything else. And again, I'm not against it. I'm just saying that, to me is an argument I'll listen to. And if it affects the Knicks tonight against the Pacers, then I can understand that. That that puts, you know, gallons of gasoline on the fire, but we'll see.

Alan Hahn (7:54)

Yeah, it's not James at 7, by the way. So 630 pre here.

Don LaGreca (7:57)

Well, there you go. So, no, but we just figured we'd throw it out there. We will get to this in a little bit. We'll also. That guy Thursday. Got it. Coming up at 4:30, another Anthony Pusick led ENN at 6. So we're looking forward to all of that. But why not talk some football? We got a huge game tonight.

Alan Hahn (8:16)

Yeah.

Don LaGreca (8:16)

Which I'm interested to see if you're going to partake in. Seahawks playing host to the Rams. Last I saw, the Rams were getting a point and a half.

Alan Hahn (8:23)

Yeah.

Don LaGreca (8:24)

So the Seahawks were a favorite. I like this game a lot, but am I. Do I want to put three points on it? Alan? Do I want to do it?

Alan Hahn (8:31)

Both teams have clinched the playoff already, Right?

Don LaGreca (8:34)

Right.

Alan Hahn (8:34)

But the division obviously is still very much up for grabs. In fact, there's no division clinched yet, which is crazy.

Don LaGreca (8:43)

Going into week 16.

Alan Hahn (8:44)

Right. Like normally you got at least one. Like there's one that's taken and that we haven't. It's only four times we've seen that happen in the last 26 years or more. Actually, no.

Don LaGreca (8:56)

No less than that.

Alan Hahn (8:57)

24 years. Yeah. Well, no, since they went to eight divisions. 2002.

Don LaGreca (9:02)

Yeah. It just makes it even crazier, you know.

Alan Hahn (9:04)

Right. So three. So it's only happened three other times. But the last time that happened was 10 years ago.

Don LaGreca (9:09)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (9:09)

So it's. Normally somebody's locked up something by now, but it hasn't happened. Which makes again now, these next couple of weeks, pretty exciting. Starting tonight.

Don LaGreca (9:16)

It is so crazy. What's. What's going on with all the parody and all these sports, but certainly in the NFL. And it makes for an exciting game tonight, which we may or may not be in on. I don't know if he's reached out to Peter in Vermont to see if he wants to play.

Alan Hahn (9:31)

Did you see the photo he sent us?

Don LaGreca (9:33)

It is really. I have not been. I've been to Montreal. That's where he's eventually going to end up.

Alan Hahn (9:38)

Right.

Don LaGreca (9:39)

But I've never been to Vermont or New Hampshire or Maine. I'd love to do that.

Alan Hahn (9:43)

I would also love to forget vacation. I'd love to have paternity leave. Like that. That's a paternity leave. That's how you do it.

Don LaGreca (9:52)

It's a sore subject with me.

Alan Hahn (9:54)

Is it?

Don LaGreca (9:55)

Yeah, it's.

Alan Hahn (9:57)

That's probably why I brought it up.

Don LaGreca (9:59)

Because I don't know if this policy was not in place when I had the twins or. Nobody told me.

Alan Hahn (10:04)

You didn't look in the. You didn't look in the employee handbook.

Don LaGreca (10:07)

To find out that you could have now. I did. I was off for 18 days. Not all of them work days when they were in the nicu. But that wasn't galloping around the country and in sometimes the world, it was, you know, stuck in a nicu, you know, waiting for my kids to be allowed to leave the hospital.

Alan Hahn (10:27)

Right.

Don LaGreca (10:27)

A little bit of a different experience.

Alan Hahn (10:28)

A little bit.

Don LaGreca (10:29)

That's why I said that again. It's no shade on Peter. Take advantage. I just. Michael and I are just kind of curious whether this policy was in place when we had our children and who benefited from not telling us if there was a policy. I. That's. Those are the two things I like.

Alan Hahn (10:44)

Funny, because, like, by the time I had the fourth kid, Cali, Stephanie told me, go back to work. She was like, oh, just go. Like, I don't need you around here. I got. Well, she didn't want me around.

Don LaGreca (10:53)

I don't want to name names, but if you're somebody that has a wife that can get pregnant, you know, sharing the same, you know, doorknob. Oh, that. Then. Then you could probably. You could work it to where you never work.

Alan Hahn (11:08)

Right.

Don LaGreca (11:10)

Have the kids take the eight weeks, get her pregnant again for the eight weeks. You have to work a little bit. And, like, you can make this, like, every nine months. You're disappearing for two, work for nine, off for two.

Alan Hahn (11:21)

Philip Rivers.

Don LaGreca (11:23)

That grandpa at 44.

Alan Hahn (11:25)

That's.

Don LaGreca (11:27)

I don't want to say that's not right, but that it's not. It's. It's weird. What's the age? How. I guess it's. I guess it's his oldest child. So 44.

Alan Hahn (11:40)

You can have a kid at, you.

Don LaGreca (11:42)

Know, 20, the youngest grandfather that I ever remembered in sports. I don't know if you remember the name. He was an offensive lineman, I believe, for the Falcons named Lincoln Kennedy.

Alan Hahn (11:54)

Yeah.

Don LaGreca (11:54)

Does that name ring a bell?

Alan Hahn (11:55)

Yes, absolutely.

Don LaGreca (11:56)

That's a grandfather 47. That, that. That's three years. That's three years past Rivers.

Alan Hahn (12:05)

Yeah.

Don LaGreca (12:06)

And I don't think Lincoln Kennedy was patrolling the Falcon offensive line at the age of 44 the way Philip Rivers is going to start for the second consecutive week for Indianapolis. So we'll discuss that. But Mike Florio was on PFT Live and said, very interesting, because I don't agree with this at all. Al. I want to get your thoughts on it. We want to get your thoughts on it as well at 1-800-919-3776, where Mike Flory, who is as tapped in as anybody around the National Football League, believes it is not out of the question for Aaron Glenn, head coach of the New York jets, to be one and done.

Michael (Caller) (12:42)

Aaron Glenn is a defensive head coach and he fired his defensive coordinator. There's just something odd about that. If the defense is so bad that the coordinator should be fired, I think you're putting yourself a little too close to the flame. I still think there's a chance it's going to be one and done for Aaron Glenn in New York. And I think this move, move that he made is a manifestation of what he's feeling right now, rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as he's three weeks away from possibly being one and done as a New York jets head coach. And I'm a big believer in admitting mistakes and not doubling down. But you still are admitting the mistake. And he's admitting by firing Wilkes that what he did is what he shouldn't have done. And we see it with offensive coaches. When you become a head coach, you don't abandon your offense. You bring your offense and you run your offense. And the only time that I think it's worked with the defensive guys, when Mike Tomlin went to Pittsburgh, Dick LeBeau, he's got it. I'm not going to mess with it. It's working. I'm not going to screw it up. That's far different from I'm just going to bring in some coordinator and let him run a defense even though it's different than mine. So I think there's a chance Aaron Glenn is going to be one and done. We'll see what the jets do.

Don LaGreca (13:45)

I don't see it, Alan. I just don't see it. Yeah, now I Understand where he's coming from. It's a bad look that your defensive coordinator could make it through 15 weeks of the season and that's on you. But other than that, where has Aaron Glenn failed in the expectations for this organization? Now, was I in the boardrooms? Do I know exactly what their expectations were? No, But I think I'd have been around the jets long enough to know when they don't have expectations, they usually keep their mouth shut. And they didn't speak at all during the summer. There was no fat talk. There was no, you know, boisterous, oh, it's going to be a fun year. There were some fans who thought, hey, we can win seven, eight games, but those are some fans. But I think the jets soft shoot this open because they knew that it was going to be a long year.

Alan Hahn (14:31)

You've said this from day one from David.

Don LaGreca (14:34)

So I don't. How has it failed their expectations then?

Alan Hahn (14:37)

Right, because you've been saying this all along, that they have been trying to tamp down any type of expectations for this season because they didn't feel it. It was everybody else that was ramping them up because they thought Justin Fields was going to be better than really what he is and that the defense should have been better. The Wilkes hire was the curious one, I will say that, at the time. And a lot of the feeling was that he hired somebody that was a head coach, maybe could help him with some of the head coach stuff.

Don LaGreca (15:05)

Right.

Alan Hahn (15:05)

But he also thought, like, he can run a defense, can he? And then he found out, no, he can't. And so, look, I don't know Mike Florio, but I don't. I think this is a terrible take. I think he's speculating. I don't think it's based on anything he's heard. I think he's just seeing it like he's trying to read tea leaves here. And I think he's just completely missing the boat because first of all, he signed a five year deal, Don. Right. Woody Johnson firing somebody and still having four years left on his contract doesn't make sense. Number one, let's just start just business wise. It doesn't make sense. Number two, his reasoning of you're too close to the flame. You fired the defensive coordinator. No, this is exactly why you fire the defensive coordinator because you're a defense guy and you realize this was a bad hire and I need to get somebody better in here. Chris Harris actually was somebody that they interviewed for the job. He's the one taking over as the interim. So Chris Harris is somebody that actually was in consideration for the job, but they thought go with the experienced guy in Wilkes because we have an inexperienced guy running the offense. So there's a little more on Aaron Glenn's plate to finish the season. I agree. And there's a little more eyes on him because if the players were that unhappy with Wilkes and his, you know, his kind of antiquated defense that doesn't have much when it comes to variability variable, I, I feel like this shows you he's even more in command and more in control. That's how I feel.

Don LaGreca (16:30)

And listen, Mike Florio knows way more football and way more inside than I am.

Alan Hahn (16:34)

Well, he knows more people. Yeah.

Don LaGreca (16:35)

And he knows a lot of people. But. But this seems to be coming from not I'm hearing, but just reading the tea leaves as an expert in the NFL that when you see you failed at your defensive coordinator decision, you failed at your quarterback decision. Those are fireable offenses. I can understand you thinking that on the surface, but as two people, myself and you that have been in this market forever. I covered the jets for 16 years. You've been a fan of the team forever.

Alan Hahn (17:06)

Yep.

Don LaGreca (17:07)

I feel that we're close enough that this hit different with Glenn, that there was no chance this was going to be one and done. Now listen, Woody could fly off the handle. Somebody might become available like what happened in New England. I'm going to get rid of Gerard Mayo because, you know, variable becomes available. I want it.

Alan Hahn (17:23)

That's the only way you do it. Right.

Don LaGreca (17:25)

But there is no coach. The only scenario where I would see the jets would even think about letting Glenn go is if for some reason the Joe Burrow stuff became real and Joe Burrow wanted out of Cincinnati, wanted to come to the jets and told Woody Johnson, listen, I'll come to you. I, I'm not coming here. If Aaron Glender head coach, go hire Jon Gruden and I'll come like. But I don't think that's going to happen. You know, but just you give a five year contract to a guy that has never been a head coach before. He is a former Jet, he comes recommended by the great Bill Parcells. He had. He came into a season with zero expectations, in some ways exceeded those expectations because after they made the trade they started winning some games. Now it's gone sideways. I'm not going to lie. And there. And Wilkes got fired because of what happened against the Miami Dolphins for sure and deserved to be fired. But I'm with you. I think Wilkes was brought in More because he had been a former head coach. Listen, if anybody looked at the resume of Wilkes, knew that he wasn't going to be here long, he was like the king of one and done. So it's just like, hey, we talked about it earlier in the week. It might have been a favor. Hey, listen, I'm going to bring you in. You know, I like you, we're friendly. I'm going to give you an opportunity for a job. You've been a head coach. I'm going to pick your brain. You're a defensive guy and we'll see how it works out. Didn't work out. I'll let him go. You know, favors only go so far, so I don't read the tea leaves the same way. Mike Florio, all I'll say to you is this. I would be absolutely flabbergasted if Aaron Glenn was let go. Flabbergasted. I would be as shocked as anything that I've seen in sports in the last decade if Woody Johnson and the jets parted way. I don't care how these last three games go. They. They are not going to pay him four more years after. You're also still paying Saleh that. Never mind how much money you have. I'm not even calling somebody cheap. That's. That's setting fire to money.

Alan Hahn (19:14)

It's stupid.

Don LaGreca (19:16)

No, it's, it's, it's beyond stupid.

Alan Hahn (19:18)

It.

Don LaGreca (19:18)

There's no way. And the only reason we're giving it any credence is because of how much we respect Mike Florio.

Alan Hahn (19:23)

Well, because what he says, I mean it is everywhere. Everyone is now using it and promoting it and saying like he's saying this. It could be true. And I'm telling you, I stunned. I'd be stunned like this. First of all, maybe I shouldn't be stunned because Donnie, if there's ever a Jets will be jets move, it'd be something like this. But we saw it happen in New England because New England had a blood in the ground guy who was inexperienced and he looked bad in his first year. But they also had another blood in the ground guy who wanted the job in Vrabel, who was available and wanted it and was perfect. That's different. Who do the jets have? Unless. Unless like the only available coach, somebody that has any type of experience because you need an experienced coach to replace an inexperienced coach that has any type of connection to the franchise would be Rex Ryan. That's the only guy.

Don LaGreca (20:18)

And you could have hired him instead of Aaron Glenn.

Alan Hahn (20:21)

You could have gotten him last year. So it doesn't make sense. I don't. I just don't see it. The reasoning doesn't make sense. Him getting rid of Steve Wilkes at the end of the season was him acknowledging that it's. First of all, the defense should be better. It's not working. Second of all, the players weren't happy, and we need to do better. They weren't tackling Don. We watched those games. They missed tackles. They weren't tackling. Their physicality was not there. You saw a team of guys who had let go of the rope, and that's dangerous in the NFL. So he wants to finish the season out strong. Something you have said is very important for Aaron Glenn that you gotta show. And it looked like for a minute when they won three out of five, that maybe was turning the right direction. But the last two weeks, it has looked terrible.

Don LaGreca (21:03)

Right?

Alan Hahn (21:03)

And it looked terrible because the defense has been awful.

Don LaGreca (21:06)

And to do nothing reflects poorly on Glenn. Not in the sense of, I gotta do this to save my job. I gotta do this to let the rest of the NFL know that we're a functioning organization, that I know what I'm doing. Because I want to attract free agents. I want this to become a destination. I want people to come here because of Nate. Me, not. Not come here because of me. And if I just see a guy that I brought in fail and I just continue to have him coach the team, well, that. That reflects poorly on me.

Alan Hahn (21:33)

He's good.

Don LaGreca (21:35)

I think. I think it. It. It's a move that tells me that he's in not any kind of desperation to stay in.

Alan Hahn (21:41)

Yeah, I see that. That's where I agree. It signifies me he's even more dug in and in control. And I also think it signifies something else. He better find himself a good defensive coordinator.

Don LaGreca (21:53)

Oh, yeah.

Alan Hahn (21:53)

Because what we're seeing from Aaron Glenn is this is a guy who's definitely a leader of men. You could see that he does care about the group as a whole. He cares about being the coach of the Jets. He's emotional. He fixed his media stuff early in the year. He was terrible at it. And I'm sure some people got to him and got him right when it comes to the podium and how he acts. But I don't want, like, Rex was such a defensive mind and a savant. He could be the head coach and also oversee the defense. Right. But he wasn't running it, but he could oversee it. Aaron Glenn, I don't think can do that.

Don LaGreca (22:33)

Not yet.

Alan Hahn (22:34)

I don't think it's I don't think he's that well, he wasn't even that in Detroit, right? So I really do feel like you need he'll be the one voice guy that oversees both sides. He won't be just about one thing. Like Dable was overseeing the offense with the Giants, right? He really wasn't paying attention to the defense. And then when Wink started getting frustrated, he couldn't handle it. I think Aaron's got to stay as a head coach and a CEO and the leader, but I don't, I don't want to see him take over play calling of the defense. I think he needs to bring in an established and a talented defensive coordinator.

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Alan Hahn (26:57)

Well again it's that that bridge is, you know, Rex talked it up last year. I think he tried to get himself in the door. It didn't happen. I don't think that's ever going to. There's not going to be a Billy Martin situation there. But you Know, I still wonder because, you know, Glenn got the job and he clearly wanted the job. But no one, I don't want to say no one. Good. Because I would be disrespectful to Taryn Glenn. But I'm saying, like, no one of significance wanted this job. And so when I say you got to still get a good defensive coordinator, you gotta get somebody in here that knows what they're doing and who wants to work for this organization. That's the bigger problem. Who wants to work for. I'm sorry, who wants to work for Woody Johnson? I think it's as simple as that.

Don LaGreca (27:47)

But ask yourself the question and don't.

Alan Hahn (27:49)

Give me the whole, well, it's one of 32 jobs because. Stop it. Like, it's a bad job.

Don LaGreca (27:52)

I get it. It's a bad job. I mean, it's not one of 32 when there are college jobs that are more prestigious or financially official than the Jets. So it's not just one of 32, it's one of like 132 when it comes to that. Now, the other aspect of this thing is a five year contract. You didn't have to give him a five year contract. He's a first year head coach. They gave him a five year contract because I think they want the slow burn with this.

Alan Hahn (28:21)

Yep, he said that.

Don LaGreca (28:22)

And I don't think that they're just going to all of a sudden abandon it after one year. Now, he's not Dom Mattingly. Like, the Yankees wouldn't hire Dom Mattingly because, you know, he's a legacy guy. Aaron Glenn was a really good player here. He doesn't have his number, retired. He's not a Hall of Famer, but he's somebody the fans really liked. Blood in the ground, as you like to say. Wanted to be here. Recommended by Bill Parcell. You're not throwing that away after one season, One season in which you can't tell me this isn't what any logical person would have told you this season was going to be.

Alan Hahn (28:52)

Right?

Don LaGreca (28:53)

I mean, a five. I tried to say it is kind of what I suspected it would be. Now, there were some yahoos out there. I think they won seven, eight games. The only reason you thought that was because you probably thought that Justin Fields was a guy that was about to pop. Yeah, he popped like a balloon and he's not any good. So how many wins do you expect to have, Alan, with zero quarterback play and two of your best players being traded midway through the season, how many wins do you expect to have?

Alan Hahn (29:21)

No this. This. Sadly, this season went the way I.

Don LaGreca (29:24)

Expected it, and I think how the jets expected it.

Alan Hahn (29:27)

It's why, like, you guys were so mad at me. It's why I was like. We always say I had no movement the whole season. None. And the one game that I said I'm kind of interested in this game was the Dolphins game and what they do. Yeah, I mean, they just. Manure all over the field. Like, I can't. Like I can't get excited. The next time I'm interested is when Darren Muji takes over when it's his. Now. Now he's the one running things, and that's in the off season. All right, what are you going to do? How are you going to get a quarterback? What are you going to do with those picks? What's the plan? Everything's on the table. Including the crazy thing that Booker said yesterday about maybe Punta next draft. Nobody wants to hear that because nobody wants to wait. But that's. That's all I got right now, Don. Like, they are not interesting to me at all.

Don LaGreca (30:17)

Well, and I. And I.

Alan Hahn (30:18)

But this story about him being fired after one year, I felt like we need to discuss because it's. It's just, again, I know Mike Florio knows people and all that stuff, but it's.

Don LaGreca (30:26)

It's.

Alan Hahn (30:27)

It doesn't make sense to discuss something like that with the jets now. Doesn't make any sense.

Don LaGreca (30:31)

First time the jets did something that didn't make sense. I guess that's got to be part of the formula, too, But. Yeah, but I would really be shocked. All right, let's go to Brian. He's in Sleepy Hollow. You're on espn, New York.

Alan Hahn (30:44)

Hey, guys.

Louis (Caller) (30:44)

How's it going?

Don LaGreca (30:45)

Good.

Brian (Caller) (30:47)

The only way I would be, say.

Louis (Caller) (30:50)

Get rid of him is, like, if.

Brian (Caller) (30:51)

You know that Harbaugh's coming in or Tomlins coming in. Otherwise, I just think, you know, Borio had his version of, like, the melody before the Holidays Take right there. It's like, come on, man. It's. But, yeah, I. I don't love Glenn. I don't love him. Like, there's a couple, you know, the mismanaged game time in London, also the end of the Atlanta game. If they missed that field goal at the end, he kind of through the pooch in a couple ways, you know, didn't take down the time all the way. They lost yardage. But otherwise, I do think he's the leader of men. And I'm hopeful, but not, you know, super hopeful for the future. Thank you.

Don LaGreca (31:33)

Well, I mean, Obviously. Oh, thank you, buddy. Thanks, Brian. You, too. Obviously, if you're a Jet fan, why would you think anything is ever going to be any different? But a rookie head coach is going to make mistakes. You hope he learns from them. I'm not telling you to feel good about Aaron Glenn. I'm just telling you ain't going anywhere. And some of the things that I'll forgive in year one are not going to be forgivable in year two and three. But I want to see who his D coordinator is going to be. I want to see who his quarterback is going to be, exactly how they're going to handle things, but it's going to be difficult. I think, Alan, if they go the way that Booger suggested and.

Alan Hahn (32:11)

No.

Don LaGreca (32:12)

And not be about 26 and get. And get your quarterback in the draft in 27, you're going to have to judge Glenn beyond wins and losses because there's not going to be a lot of wins. But you're going to have to judge him on how the players play, his decision making, game plan, adjustments at halftime. But if you're just going to judge him like, oh, he's got to win seven, eight games. Well, that might not be physically possible for him to do. May not logistically be possible, no.

Alan Hahn (32:37)

But all he has is the blueprint from Detroit. That's what he's got. And the first year started out awful, and they won a little bit later on in the season. Then the second year started out bad, and then they really started winning towards the end of the season. The third year was great. And that's. That's kind of how it has to go. But the problem is in Detroit, you can fly under the radar because it's the Lions and nobody really pays attention except for in Detroit. Here in New York, you know, they thrive on controversy, so it gets a lot of attention. And something like this gets attention. Oh, he could be a one and done. And everybody talks about, nope, nope, it's not going to happen.

Don LaGreca (33:16)

Lee on Long island, you're on. Don Hanna. Roseberg.

Brian (Caller) (33:20)

Hey, gentlemen. Happy holidays. A lot to touch on with what you guys been talking about. First thing I want to. I just want to mention is that, you know, you talked about him being a rookie head coach. There's other rookie head coaches we can compare him to, and he does not even hold a candle to, like, Liam Cohen or Johnson right now. So you want to talk about, you.

Don LaGreca (33:37)

Know, he is really, honestly, they have quarterbacks, man. I mean, overall pay, they have way more. And, you know, people expected. But he's a quarterback that has taken a team to the playoffs. You can't, you can't judge Chicago and Jacksonville. Hold on, hold on. Jets talent.

Brian (Caller) (33:54)

They were ready to throw Caleb Williams out the door last year and now Ben Johnson comes in and he ends. He was the number one team.

Alan Hahn (33:59)

Nobody's throwing him out the door and shit. No, nobody was.

Brian (Caller) (34:02)

And I just. But I do want to touch on two other examples that you guys. I think you mentioned the New England one and, and the Broncos. And these are very eerily similar situations because those were first year head coaches. They finished in last place. People don't remember that the Patriots finished behind the jets last year. And because everything suggests a clown organization, they were actually in third place over the Patriots. They both of them fire their head coaches after one year. They bring in new head coaches and, and these guys are not working with the number one overall pick quarterbacks. What was the third quarterback taking his draft? The other was the sixth quarterback taken in his draft. So you don't need to have been those. The number one quarterback if you have the right coach. So if Aaron Glenn's going to be one and done, it's predicated on getting the right coach. But I think it has to be on the table because it's not a terrible job with this team. And I want to point out that this team, if it, if it wasn't for special teams, they could be winless right now. Their special teams are the reason they won the three games they won. It wasn't the offense and the defense.

Alan Hahn (35:00)

Lee, the. One of the things that the one thing you said that I agree with and it's only one thing, is that those situations were inexperienced coaches who were clearly over their heads. And you're talking about like established resume coaches were available and wanted the job. Now one of them they had to trade for. Remember they gave up picks for Sean Payton and it didn't happen overnight with the right coach. I agree, but that guy's not available. That's not out there.

Don LaGreca (35:29)

But, but you can't.

Alan Hahn (35:30)

Like that option's not on the table. Like I just got to remind that option. Well, I'm just trying to tell you before you ask the question, the option you're bringing up that the other franchises had was not on the table. That's a real thing that you have to understand. Like, like Vrabel is. There's no, there's no jets variable out there. Rabel didn't even want to talk to the Jets. So that's a. Ben Johnson didn't want to talk to the jets that wasn't on the table for them. And for, and for the Broncos, they targeted a coach that they knew was what they were trying to get out of it anyway. In New Orleans, you knew that the time had run out for Sean Payton in New Orleans and they were willing to make that kind of aggressive move to bring in a guy and it's, you know, in three years. They're a great team. There's nothing there.

Louis (Caller) (36:22)

Those are the number one and two.

Don LaGreca (36:24)

Now. You know what else you're missing?

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Alan Hahn (36:26)

You know what else you're missing? The jets should never, ever be in the same sentence as the Patriots or the Broncos ever. Right now you're talking about two franchises that are run well and one that is probably one of the worst run franchises in the sport.

Don LaGreca (36:41)

But wait, wait, wait.

Alan Hahn (36:42)

You're not going to attract people.

Don LaGreca (36:44)

I'm not going to have a conversation when you're saying that you're going to fire Aaron Glenn because he's not Mike Vrabel and he's not Sean Payton. Vrabel did a good job in Tennessee. He is an experienced coach that came to New England with a quarterback that was taken third overall. All right?

Alan Hahn (36:57)

And he wanted to go to New England. He wanted the job.

Don LaGreca (37:00)

Saying he's like, oh, you could, you could be a first time, first year head coach with a team and win. But they had coached before. Sean Payton had won a Super bowl before. All right, my head, Bo Nicks.

Alan Hahn (37:11)

But they could have won more games.

Don LaGreca (37:14)

I don't break, I don't think Bo Nix is that great of a quarterback. I, I, I'll go as far as to say I think they're winning in spite of him. All right. No, he's still better than no quarterback. You don't have a quarterback, none quarterback. Taylor and Justin Fields are none quarterback. You have none quarterback, none quarterback. So don't start telling me. Well, look at what, look at what Frable's doing in New England. He's got Drake, maybe. Yo, look what Sean Payton, who won a Super bowl in New Orleans is doing with Denver with the best team, with the best defense in football in a home stadium that's difficult to play in. And with Bo Nix that is a thousand times better than anybody that will play quarterback this year for the New York Jets. I mean, that's a difference.

Alan Hahn (37:53)

Yes.

Don LaGreca (37:53)

All right, listen. I could throw out Bill Parcells 312 and 1 his first year. I could throw out Jimmy Johnson 115 his first year. I mean, there's some coaches that go to the hall of Fame. That didn't start out great. So stop living in this little tiny universe where you don't like Glenn and you're gonna give me little tiny examples that are exaggerated. But you. I find them tiny little examples. Guy should be fired. Of the history of the NFL.

Alan Hahn (38:18)

You think the jets should have had a better record this season? You think the jets could have won more games? What? What? Two more games. You'd still suck. Like what? Like what are we talking about? This is. This is. This was about bad quarterback play and defense and a defense that got worse and worse as the season went on to a point where you had to fire the defense coordinat. Those are the two biggest factors. Bad quarterback play and defensive play. Especially in the. In the linebacker. Like they were not good, Not a.

Don LaGreca (38:44)

Good team before Wilkes got fired. In the beginning of the year when we were still in the competitive portion of the season. How many games do we watch? The jets hang in there. And if they could just get anything out of their offense, remember the Carolina game? Anything out of their offense, they'd get it. They never get turnovers from their defense and their offense never scores any.

Alan Hahn (39:04)

Never score.

Don LaGreca (39:05)

How are you supposed to win?

Alan Hahn (39:06)

How?

Don LaGreca (39:07)

And it wasn't because they couldn't, you know, decipher a, an offense. They didn't have a quarterback. They didn't have a quarterback and they were playing with teams and hanging with teams and just could not flat out score. I just think it's lazy. But, you know, people want change immediately. And I don't see what.

Alan Hahn (39:25)

You can't just say fire Donnie. I know we got to go, but I say this a lot. Every time you say fire him, fire Boone, fire Aaron Glenn, fire whoever you want to fire. It's always like, who are you replacing with? Because it's franchise malpractice. Especially if you're a bum ass franchise like the jets. To fire a coach and have no plan after one year.

Don LaGreca (39:46)

And you mentioned they were like the.

Alan Hahn (39:48)

Patriots had a plan. They knew Variable was there.

Don LaGreca (39:50)

I'm sure they wanted Variable. I'm sure they want the job. These guys didn't want to come here.

Alan Hahn (39:54)

That's it.

Don LaGreca (39:55)

So, I mean, and that's why you're trying to change that narrative, to make it an attractive place to come and play. But it doesn't happen overnight. Not with the damage that's been done to this organization for decades.

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Alan Hahn (41:39)

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Don LaGreca (41:42)

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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Don LaGreca (41:51)

You can follow us on social media. You know it at DHR on espn, or at Alan Hahn and at Don Lagreca. Jennifer Hart did that, and she says, I'm only thinking that Glenn being fired after one year is he came in, blew things up, acted like he was going to turn it around, but all his decisions backfired and he doesn't seem to truly get that. And all of but two core players are left and no quarterback. Well, I'm still of the belief that it was collaborative with Justin Fields. You needed to get a bridge quarterback. They thought they'd catch something there. It didn't work out. Wilkes didn't work out, but he at least pivoted and fired the guy. And I don't like the way he dealt with the media. And I think there was an air of confidence around him, but at no time did I think that he gave anybody the impression, Alan, that this turnaround was going to be immediate. And he even said after the deals that, by the way, Mooji made, he didn't make those deals. Mooji made them that he said that, you know, what was it? Big ships turn slow, whatever his quote was, or whatever. But so he was telling you that this is going to take a little while. So I think there's a certain fan base that a certain amount of this fan base, a percentage of this fan base that for some ungodly reason thought this team was going to win eight games. And now they're ticked off and want Aaron Glenn to be the guy that failed them. Now, I think you failed assessing that this team could be that good. I never thought it, Alan. Never thought it. I don't think the jets thought it, but we were taking calls in the summer. Hey, I think this team could be a 7, 8 win team. I think it'd be alive in December.

Alan Hahn (43:28)

Yeah, I remember.

Don LaGreca (43:28)

I don't know why you thought that.

Alan Hahn (43:30)

That's ridiculous.

Don LaGreca (43:31)

And now you're mad and now you want to take it out on somebody. It's gonna be Iron Glenn when and we played every sound and I killed him for the way he treated the media.

Alan Hahn (43:39)

Yep.

Don LaGreca (43:40)

Right. And a lot of people killed me for that. I'll leave him alone. He doesn't have to treat the media. He could do whatever he wants. Okay. Now the same people are probably hating on him and want him fired. I was critical of that, Alan, but I don't remember ever playing a cut in the summer where he gave you any indication that this team was going to be a playoff team or anything better than it's actually been.

Alan Hahn (43:58)

The only thing, the only indication he gave you that he was going to be the only voice. That's what he made it clear that he is the big voice now. And that's the reason why, like, guys like Aaron Rodgers weren't there. I don't want to have a guy like that that could, you know, try to try to bigfoot me around this organization like he did the previous coach.

Don LaGreca (44:18)

And I think that that was led by the organization who wanted that perception that there was. There was an alpha dog and he.

Alan Hahn (44:25)

Was the alpha dog. Right, Right.

Don LaGreca (44:27)

But I still believe things that he took ownership of were also very collaborative. I don't think he was the only one in the organization that want Justin Fields or Wilkes or making the deals that were made. All right, let's get back to the calls. You know, you can watch us on YouTube and there's a very healthy YouTube chat that goes on during the show, which I think is cool. And Lewis and Harrison is a part of that. Don Han and Rosenberg, you're on espn. What's Up, Lewis.

Alan Hahn (44:54)

How you doing, Louis?

Louis (Caller) (44:55)

Hello, my friends.

Alan Hahn (44:56)

How are you doing? So, Don, what I learned about Lewis.

Louis (Caller) (44:59)

I'm not in Harrison. I'm sorry.

Alan Hahn (45:02)

Go ahead. Hang on, hang on, Lewis, I want to make sure I introduce you properly. So, Don, what I've learned about Louis is that he is a schoolteacher. He's been a schoolteacher for a long time. So he gets into the chat early because school's over and he jumps right in. So it shows you how much he loves the show. So, first of all, I have a high respect for school teachers because my wife is one. So, Louis, welcome. Good to talk to you.

Louis (Caller) (45:25)

Thank you. I've been listening to the show since 1947, at least the previous incarnation. And I remember when the show started and Don was just the guy giving updates, and it was part of the song, so long time. I did meet Don over the summer. I went to the Sasso game. I was the guy in the wheelchair who. He shook my hand and took a picture with my son. And it was very gracious, and I really appreciate that, Don. I want to thank you for that.

Don LaGreca (45:51)

Oh, no problem.

Louis (Caller) (45:53)

Yeah. So what I wanted to say was I work in a school. Our school last year was A K to 8 school. They were changing our school to just the middle school. And absolutely, once that decision was made, everyone working there was kind of mailing it in. I hate to say that that was what was happening, but it kind of was. Everyone knew it was over, and it was over. And for the jets, to me, the fatal flaw this season was not drafting a quarterback. I very much believe in the policy that you draft one till you get one. I don't care if it's in the last round you draft them to. If they had taken Sanders with their last pick, at least we'd have something to look like, evaluate. But instead, they did nothing. They just took Fields and said, okay, we're going to throw all of our stuff in field. Fields can't play once, Fields can't play. The season's basically over at that point. Then we lose Garrett Wilson. Then you trade away some of your best defensive players. So these people in the chat are calling up and they want Glenn's head guys. The team waved the white flag. The owner, the GM waved the white flag, said, this is over, it's done. We got draft picks. This is about next year now. So you can't really evaluate the guy. I'd be shocked. It would be the most jets thing in Woody Johnson thing ever to fire Glenn after one year when the team did A dumpster fire and you threw gasoline on it. I mean, that's really what happened.

Alan Hahn (47:17)

Yeah.

Louis (Caller) (47:17)

And that's all I really wanted to say on this topic is I think people are crazy.

Alan Hahn (47:21)

Well, we've learned that. Thank you, Louis. We have definitely learned that. But it really did feel like that, didn't it? You're going to trade away pieces like that to collect draft picks. You're basically pun. Our season's over, going to next year. That was abundantly clear.

Don LaGreca (47:37)

But.

Alan Hahn (47:38)

And Mike Tanner always says is, Mike Town's big on the whole. You draft a quarterback every year until you get one, till you find. Find the guy. So that, that's definitely something they should have done. Brady Cook was a. He was undrafted. Right. They just, they signed him after the draft. Right. So he wasn't even a draft pick. They just took him and now he's playing well.

Don LaGreca (48:00)

You drafted Taylor in the second round. He. I think he could work out the tight end, you know, so would you want to take Shador Sanders?

Alan Hahn (48:09)

Well, he's talking about a quarterback. He said every year. And they didn't draft one at all last year. And I agree. But, but especially if Shador is sitting.

Don LaGreca (48:16)

There, I know, in the fifth round.

Alan Hahn (48:18)

Like, what are we doing?

Don LaGreca (48:19)

But if you don't like them, you don't, you don't draft for the sake of drafting. You draft somebody that you like. Not, oh, I need a quarterback. So I'm just going to. I'm going to waste a pick on a guy that I really don't think is any good. And then, and then, and then what happens? You're just going to try to, you know, develop a quarterback? First of all, they're not very good at developing quarterbacks in their history, but in this current regime, you take the players you like, and if you don't like them, then why would you take them? And there's reason not to like a lot of these quarterbacks. Even in the fifth or sixth round. If you don't like them, why would you take them? Just for the sake of taking them. And obviously, they look at the board and say, there's a guy I'd rather have. So you're going to look away from the guy you'd rather have just for the sake of taking a quarterback?

Alan Hahn (49:03)

Well, they took a lot of.

Don LaGreca (49:04)

Disagree with Mike Tannenbaum on that.

Alan Hahn (49:06)

They took a lot. They took Kiko. I don't even know how to say his last name is.

Don LaGreca (49:15)

When. In what round?

Alan Hahn (49:16)

In the fifth round.

Don LaGreca (49:17)

In the fifth round.

Alan Hahn (49:18)

Yeah. Does he play? It has played much. You know what? I don't know. You know what I mean?

Don LaGreca (49:24)

All right. But that doesn't necessarily mean that if they had taken a quarterback that that guy would have worked out either. You know, the, the. I understand Mike Tannen saying you need a quarterback, maybe you catch lightning in a bottle. But even though we all look at these, oh seven rounds of picks, you have a 53 man roster, right? So you've got to be able to build. You don't make a lot of trades in the NFL. So the draft is where you really build your team. If you're a general manager, you got to take the players you like. Not I need a quarterback. So I'm just going to take a flyer on a guy that I maybe don't want. You know, they do the work on all these guys, right?

Alan Hahn (50:01)

I. Yeah, I guess. But I don't know. I don't know what you didn't see in Shador Sanders with the fifth at value at a fifth round.

Don LaGreca (50:09)

But listen, don't you think, no offense, that they were probably told Shador is not playing for you, so don't bother.

Alan Hahn (50:18)

Taking fair point because.

Don LaGreca (50:19)

Because he did say.

Alan Hahn (50:21)

He did say no to like other places, did he? Did he? That would have been something if it.

Don LaGreca (50:24)

Because the dirty little secret Allen about why he fell as long because it wasn't 32 teams that could have taken him. If you take 20 teams and say I'm not playing for you, then they're not going to draft you. So now it's only down to maybe a dozen teams that would pick you. And of those dozen, do they need a quarterback? Did they. So I do think that's why he dropped because he probably gave a list and told teams don't take him, he's not playing for you. And I wouldn't be surprised if the jets were one of those teams.

Alan Hahn (50:51)

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podc. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.