Hour 1: Harbaugh Latest & Draft QBs

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 1: Harbaugh Latest & Draft QBs

Date: January 9, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Network: ESPN New York

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Episode Overview

The first hour of "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" dives right into the latest drama surrounding potential NFL coaching changes—specifically John Harbaugh's future and the implications for the New York Giants. After some signature banter about music, birthday plans, and office odors, the hosts get serious about the Giants' head coaching search, Harbaugh’s rumored candidacy, and how this impacts the franchise. The conversation then pivots to NFL playoff predictions and the rapidly shifting landscape of college quarterbacks entering the draft, including a discussion of previously under-the-radar prospects whose stock is soaring. The hour ends with lively listener calls about music and Giants speculation.

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1. Warm-Up & Banter (00:00–12:13)

Key Discussion Points:

• Morning Check-Ins & Office Humor: The hosts start with playful barbs about Don’s "fight" with obesity, Peter's trip to Florida, winter in Winnipeg, and Alan’s complaints about a smelly microphone in the studio—prompting a philosophical debate on the "whoever smelt it dealt it" concept. (00:00–03:09)
• Late-Night Knicks Duties: Alan discusses the grind of covering late Knicks games remotely while his crew is in Phoenix, describing the challenges of “working in real time” on an Eastern schedule. (04:14–05:06)
• Yacht Rock Concert Recap: Alan reminisces about a fun Yacht Rock Revue concert, recounting a minor setlist faux pas (“We Will Rock You” by Queen). He proposes a team outing to a summer show, which devolves into humorous bickering over summer availability and Peter’s commitment to watch the U.S. Men’s Soccer Team in the World Cup (calling Peter an “event guy” rather than a true fan). (05:27–10:07)
• Birthday Plans & Concerts: The hosts muse about celebrating Alan and Peter’s birthdays at various classic rock concerts (Toto & Christopher Cross, Chicago, Styx, Rod Stewart, Skynyrd, Foreigner), with Alan pitching a live broadcast from the venue. (10:09–12:13)

Notable Quote:

• Alan (re: concert at Jones Beach): “That’s gonna hit different.” (09:16)

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2. Harbaugh, Dolphins, Giants & NFL Head Coach Carousel (12:13–25:21)

Key Discussion Points:

• Harbaugh to Giants?
  • With Miami’s hiring decisions moving in a different direction (John Eric Sullivan, not Chad Alexander), the threat of the Dolphins luring Harbaugh away from New York diminishes.
  • Don argues that, as he had speculated, much of the Harbaugh-to-Miami buzz was “just reporters reading the tea leaves.” (13:11–14:19)
  • The focus returns to the Giants. The consensus: the Giants are interviewing for Harbaugh as much as he’ll be interviewing them; he’s in the driver’s seat.

Expert Insight on Harbaugh’s Prospects:

• Contract speculations: $100M over 5 years for Harbaugh is the expected ballpark.
• The hosts discuss the financial calculus, with Alan stating: “You’re giving him a blank check... that’s what you’re doing, because that’s how desperate of a franchise you are.” (14:24)
• Debate on whether other teams (e.g., Tennessee, Cincinnati) would pay as much as the Giants might need to—Don and Alan agree most won’t, but the Giants “can’t lose the PR battle here.”
• The looming specter of Mike Tomlin’s future with Pittsburgh is discussed: if Pittsburgh blows things up, Tomlin could suddenly be on the market, potentially shaking up the hiring process. (16:29–17:38)

Memorable Moment:

• The recurring joke about “shakes loose” as code for a head coach getting fired:
  • Peter: “Let’s be honest. If what really happens is you’re getting tossed on your head, it’s not so much that you’re slipping away. They’re throwing you out like Jazzy Jeff on Fresh Prince.” (16:41)

Pressure on the Giants:

• The Giants are “selling” themselves to Harbaugh, not the other way around.
• Joe Shane’s precarious situation as GM is analyzed: he must pitch the franchise and himself to Harbaugh while his own future is on the line.

Notable Quote:

• Don (re: selling Harbaugh): “John Harbaugh is going to interview the Giants next week, not the other way around... If he hears what he wants to hear, he’ll be the next head coach.” (13:57)

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3. College QBs & NFL Draft – The Chambliss Story (27:58–36:46)

Key Discussion Points:

• Spotlight on Trinidad Chambliss:
  • Alan highlights the story of Trinidad Chambliss, a QB who played Division II football last year and nearly won a national semifinal after transferring to Ole Miss.
  • Chambliss was denied a sixth year of eligibility, making him eligible for the upcoming NFL Draft.
  • The hosts marvel at how, despite all early-year talk of a “weak quarterback draft,” Chambliss and others may force four QBs into the first round.

Debate Over Draft Boards & Hype:

• Don and Alan agree: actual game performance under pressure (like Chambliss’s in a national semifinal) can be more meaningful than combine metrics, but actual draft movement often happens after workouts and interviews. (30:07–30:49)
• Kuiper’s rankings: Alan reports Mel Kuiper now has Chambliss as the fourth-ranked QB in the class.

Draft Implications for the Jets:

• Alan suggests, with two first-round picks, the Jets have flexibility: they don’t need to reach for a QB at #2 amid the new depth, and can move around the board.

Notable Quotes:

• Alan: “We could have four [QBs] in the first round. And you know how the hype starts to work...”
• Peter (on QB hype): “The line between ‘super expert’ and complete yo-yo who knows absolutely nothing—it feels very close when it comes to things like where’s the coach going?” (19:10)

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4. Listener Calls: Music & More Giants Talk (38:43–47:05)

Caller Highlights:

• Javier in Queens: Offers praise for the show, provides a street pronunciation for "Harbaugh," and asks about the Yacht Rock Revue band. Alan describes them as “very versatile... the ability to kind of hit the different sounds... that’s hard to do.” (39:03–40:15)
• Dan in Saratoga: Makes a quick Giants point ("like John Harbaugh and I want him"), then pivots to ranking the Commodores, Earth, Wind & Fire, and the Bee Gees. Don puts Bee Gees as #1, Alan picks Earth, Wind & Fire on top.
• Jose in Connecticut: Explains why Chambliss went under the radar (few games as starter), then urges Giants fans not to see the world ending if Harbaugh isn’t hired: “There’s other good coaches... It’s not the end of the world, guys.” (42:31–43:35)
• The hosts agree: if the Giants “pivot” to Mike McCarthy, it isn’t a “complete fail,” given the similar resumes between McCarthy and Harbaugh.

Notable Quotes:

• Don (on coaching resumes): “Their resumes are almost equal. The only difference is McCarthy was in Green Bay and Dallas... Is the second place finish that far behind in McCarthy? I don’t think so.” (46:11–46:55)
• Alan (on fan expectations): “You want the best. You expect the best. We couldn’t get the best guy, so now we’ve got to settle for second best or even third best.” (45:27–45:48)

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5. Tone and Memorable Moments

• Freewheeling Banter: The first 10 minutes establish the playful, honest camaraderie between the hosts, blending sports, pop culture, and personal gripes (including a persistent joke about chronic halitosis and offensive Febreze flavors).
• ‘Event Guy’ Riff: Peter’s self-identification as the kind of sports fan who “shows up for USMNT games but won’t watch MLS”—lampooned as “Bobo Soccer Guy.”
• Armageddon vs Deep Impact: Breezy debate on which disaster movie is better (Don prefers Armageddon, Alan and Peter joke about Deep Impact).

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Key Timestamps

• 03:56: Alan “shot out of a cannon” on playoff Friday, describing the late-night Knicks grind.
• 06:23: Alan pitches the Jones Beach birthday gig; Peter’s "event guy" US Soccer excuse.
• 09:54: Peter suggests celebrating both birthdays at Toto & Christopher Cross; Don: “That’s way bigger than a Yacht Rock review.”
• 13:11: Dolphins hire John Eric Sullivan, not Ravens-connected candidate—Harbaugh-to-Miami threat lessens.
• 14:19: Discussion of what it might cost to hire Harbaugh—Don floats 5yrs/$100M.
• 16:29: Peter’s “Jazzy Jeff” analogy for fired coaches.
• 25:21: Speculation about the Giants’ sales pitch to Harbaugh and Joe Shane’s job security.
• 29:49: Alan on Chambliss’s NFL draft appeal: “there’s not a desperate NFL team out there that wouldn’t take him...”
• 33:44: Chambliss now 4th among QBs on Kuiper’s draft board (Mendoza, Moore, Simpson ahead).
• 39:03: First caller (Javier) lauds the hosts and asks about Yacht Rock.
• 42:31: Caller Jose in Connecticut on the Chambliss/Harbaugh topics.
• 46:11: Evaluation of McCarthy as a “second-place” coaching option.

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Summary Takeaways

• The Harbaugh-to-Giants smoke may lead to real fire: with Miami seemingly out, the Giants have to pull out all the stops, but fans shouldn’t panic if they “only” land a McCarthy or Stefanski.
• The NFL quarterback draft picture is anything but settled—late risers like Trinidad Chambliss exemplify how quickly fortunes change, and the Jets’ flexibility is highlighted.
• The hosts’ dynamic blends sports insight with pop culture, self-deprecation, and New York attitude, making for a lively, unpredictable hour.

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Notable Quotes Collection

• Don (13:57): “John Harbaugh is going to interview the Giants next week, not the other way around...”
• Alan (14:24): “You’re giving him a blank check... that’s what you’re doing, because that’s how desperate of a franchise you are.”
• Peter (16:41): “They’re throwing you out like Jazzy Jeff on Fresh Prince.”
• Don (19:10): “The line between ‘super expert’ and complete yo-yo who knows absolutely nothing—it feels very close when it comes to things like where’s the coach going?”
• Alan (45:27): “You want the best. You expect the best. We couldn’t get the best guy, so now we’ve got to settle for second best or even third best.”

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For Giants and NFL fans, this hour offers a candid, informed, and at times hilarious look at the high-stakes coaching carousel, the unpredictability of the NFL draft, and classic New York radio energy.

Transcript

[Don]

Don, I was fighting with obesity.

[Peter]

I wore. You were losing.

[Alan]

Don.

[Don]

Don.

[Dan]

Peter. Thank you, Alan. I hope you make the team.

[Podcast Announcer]

And Rosenberg.

[Peter]

Richard, have you ever heard of brazzers?

[Don]

No. This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.

[Podcast Announcer]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.

[Fan Caller]

The best threesome I've ever heard on.

[Podcast Announcer]

ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.

[Peter]

How do you start a day?

[Don]

It is Friday. Feeling warm. Not as warm where Peter is right now. Luxuriating in the state of Florida.

[Peter]

I'll tell you what, you're not wrong. I'm only here for a day, and it's work all day. And as you can see, if you're watching us on the YouTube vehicle, you know, I'm inside a dark studio, but it's still pretty amazing to be just walking around and living and breathing the air of 80° Orlando.

[Don]

And I'll be the exact opposite sometime around this time tomorrow when we land in Winnipeg. No, boy, for the Devils and the jets, the only thing colder than Winnipeg is the Devil's offense.

[Alan]

And the only thing that's, like, more disgusting than winter and Winnipeg is this microphone.

[Peter]

Oh, no, it went. It went limp.

[Alan]

No, it. This. I don't know, like, it just stinks. No, but now, because Tom thought it'd be a great idea to come in with Febreze.

[Peter]

Oh, no.

[Alan]

And then. So I don't know what flavor Febreze that is, but now I got. You got, you know, chronic halitosis with some type of Febreze. It's just. I don't know who sits in this seat, Don. I know you do. I don't know how on a daily basis. You don't notice this, but this is every time I've had to sit in this chair, the minute the microphone comes close to your face, it's odorific.

[Don]

Well, one of your problems, Alan, is. Is that we don't describe the different odors of Febreze as flavors.

[Alan]

No.

[Don]

I'm just saying that if you're picking up the taste of Febreze, it's probably not doing its job. Is what I'm saying, is that this is.

[Alan]

This is.

[Don]

I have not been on. It's not me. I have not been on that microphone since Monday.

[Alan]

You haven't been here? No.

[Don]

So.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah, you've been there days.

[Alan]

Yeah. You were here yesterday, though, Peter. Any issues?

[Peter]

Oh, that's disturbing. I was there.

[Alan]

Did you. Did you notice anything?

[Studio Technician]

Only Peter Carlton had been on that mic.

[Alan]

Only Peter. And. Right, because the morning show, they're never in.

[Don]

Well, it does that. Fall.

[Alan]

No, one's ever sitting here.

[Don]

Does this fall into the whoever smelt it dealt it category?

[Peter]

See, that's an interesting question.

[Alan]

Well, how. Wait a second, how?

[Don]

Well, I just walked in, but kind of in reverse in the sense that the fact that Peter doesn't notice it, he might be the reason he who.

[Alan]

Dealt it can't smelt it.

[Don]

Yeah, I guess.

[Peter]

Listen, I.

[Don]

Same theory, but in reverse.

[Peter]

I have to tell you guys, you know, I'm pretty open about my shortcomings. I'm not saying I've never had a moment where my wife ever in life is like, hey, buddy, why don't you grab a mint?

[Alan]

I'm human.

[Peter]

I. I do not believe I have the kind of chronic halitosis that is stinking a microphone over. No, I do not. I strongly, strongly reject the idea that it could be me. Now, was Carlin in today?

[Alan]

I don't know. He was on a Friday.

[Studio Technician]

By the way, they're always in on Friday.

[Alan]

Friday here. I went into the kitchen area, right? And just. Tumbleweed just went right by.

[Peter]

That's just. It was kind of like that on Monday.

[Alan]

Like, honestly, I'll tell you what, I'd never seen that in an office before.

[Peter]

Don, I got to tell you, I'm getting the sense it's very early, and when I say Don, I mean Old Man Christmas, who I'm looking on my screen. I got the sense right now, Alan's coming out, shot out of Canada today. That's the energy I'm feeling. It's a playoff Friday. He feels ready for hellfire and brimstone. I'm feeling it.

[Don]

I wish football was the reason and not, you know, a late game for the Knicks in Phoenix. And he's got to work it in real time. It's one thing when you're in Phoenix.

[Alan]

Don knows. Yes.

[Don]

When you're in Phoenix, it's okay because you're. You're on normal time, but when you're. When you're working these Western games in Eastern time, it's a long day. It's tough. I work with Dave Maloney. God love Dave Maloney, but he's a morning person. So if we. If we did.

[Alan]

If we did.

[Don]

Rangers cracking off the moniker the monitor at 10:30. It was 10:30, so it was like sleepy dime bobos by the time we got to the second intermission. So I don't think Alan's got to worry about that. And he's not doing anything off the monitor, but he's working back at the studio while the rest of the crew is in Phoenix.

[Alan]

It's. Yeah.

[Don]

So Was it a 9 o' clock tip? 9 o'.

[Alan]

Clock, 9 o' clock tip. 8:30, pre.

[Don]

Right.

[Alan]

And of course a full post game.

[Don]

Full post game.

[Alan]

And I parked my car at the Garden and I said, I won't see you till after midnight. 12 hours. You know, like that kind of feeling. So. But yacht rock was fun last night at the Paramount Huntington. It was an absolute blast. Great time. And there was only one faux pas. One that was like questionable. Everybody looked at each other like, what are we doing?

[Peter]

What happened?

[Alan]

Well, so they did this thing where you. They bring it out a wheel. It's a way to like get a bunch of songs in, even though there's not enough time for to play all of these. So they give you like a little medley.

[Don]

Oh, okay.

[Alan]

So they have people come up from the crowd and spin the wheel. And so the one spin landed on and he's like, oh, I don't even know if we can do this song. And then he pulls out his phone, he's like, I gotta check the lyrics. And you can't see the wheel. So you know, we were in the back and it's We Will Rock youk by the by Queen. First of all, everybody knows the lyrics to that. Second of all, Peter, you were the one that said why, correct?

[Peter]

Yes.

[Alan]

Yeah. Why?

[Peter]

We all were like, why?

[Alan]

That's not. No, it's not yet.

[Don]

Right.

[Alan]

So that was all the only disappointing. Otherwise it's fantastic show. And I want to now just. I want to suggest something to the show.

[Peter]

Go ahead.

[Alan]

Since we all kind of are on. On board with this genre. My birthday, as you guys know, is June 19th.

[Peter]

Sure.

[Alan]

They will be back in New York at Jones beach on June 19th. Wow. I mean, don't you think it should be a show excursion? Who says? No, I like speech a lot. It's a great venue, that time of year, that type of music.

[Peter]

I got news for you. I got bad news for you. I am booked solid.

[Alan]

June, you already know. Or is that you just doing the whole I got anything on?

[Peter]

No, see, normally I would just be doing a bit, but yesterday it's the.

[Studio Technician]

Last week of paternity leave.

[Alan]

It's a Friday.

[Peter]

But yesterday it was brought to my attention that June 19th at night is the second US men's soccer game in the World Cup. So I'm legitimately booked.

[Alan]

Such a. Yep. Say it, Don. Go ahead. I'll hit the dump button. Just say it.

[Peter]

Such a what? Fan of the U.S. of U.S. soccer?

[Don]

Yeah, I don't want to I don't want to say it because I don't.

[Peter]

You can't.

[Alan]

It is Friday.

[Don]

It's a fraud.

[Peter]

I have not missed a US Such.

[Don]

Here's, here's the, here's the phrase. I think there's a separation. You're such an event guy. You wouldn't be caught dead at a Red Bulls game. But all of a sudden, now US is playing off six months in advance. I can't do things because they're.

[Alan]

Can't do fun things with my co workers on one of my co workers birthday.

[Don]

I can't do that, though. I can't be involved.

[Alan]

You know, it is a national holiday. Just, just throwing it out.

[Don]

Pele came back from the dead. Sorry. Raw's on. But now the U.S. soccer.

[Peter]

Well, I love Brazil. That's not true. Now real quick, who doesn't. There's no one else. Hold on. There's no one else out there who's listening? Who doesn't care about any club, whether it be European or MLS, but loves U.S. soccer. I'm not the only person like that. No way.

[Don]

Yeah, but we're trying to, we're trying to do something for the show six months in advance.

[Peter]

Listen, I'm doing you a favor.

[Alan]

You know what, Donnie, he's out, okay? You agree?

[Peter]

You got to go to Jones and.

[Alan]

We'Ll find some other people out that want to have fun too. And, you know, and Bobo soccer guy can go ahead and pretend that he's all USA now. Okay? That's what we're going to do.

[Peter]

All right, Don, call me from. I want you to call me from Jones beach on that Friday.

[Don]

Thursday.

[Peter]

Thursday.

[Alan]

Friday. It's a Friday in the summer, man.

[Don]

Yeah, we're going to do the show from out there.

[Alan]

I think we would.

[Peter]

So is that what you're saying? Are you saying do a live program? Yes, from Jones Beach.

[Alan]

We'll do it from like your mother's house, Something like that. Right by that. Not far, maybe. Oh, I better. Borelli's. Something like that.

[Peter]

Yeah, you were that. For the record, you were that into the yacht rock band last night.

[Alan]

It was fun. Like, it was fun. It was great. But a venue like when he said Jones Beach, I'm like, yeah, that's, that's.

[Don]

A difference maker right there.

[Alan]

I mean, it's just, that's going to hit different.

[Don]

You know how I feel about going out to Long Island. It's, it's all. But you know, Jordan, Jones beach is worth it, man.

[Peter]

I'm gonna, I mean, I'm gonna go Peruse in a moment here.

[Alan]

Okay.

[Peter]

How much of the summer schedule exists? Oh, there it is. Yacht Rock review.

[Alan]

Oh, think I was making this up.

[Peter]

I'm gonna see if there's anything else that would get. But how about this?

[Alan]

On my birthday.

[Peter]

But how about this? If we waited a month and it's. And sell it, we could celebrate your birthday and my birthday instead of Yacht Rock review. No, no disrespect. Toto and Christopher Cross at the same venue.

[Don]

I'm gonna tell you something right there. This is gonna be controversial. That's way bigger than a Yacht Rock review.

[Alan]

That.

[Peter]

Thank you.

[Alan]

I was not aware those are the.

[Don]

Two biggest guns in their arsenal.

[Alan]

You know what? I'll tell you what.

[Peter]

How was that, Don? How's that for a comeback from your guy?

[Alan]

Keep in mind, Toto does not have the same lead singer, so we don't know how it's going to sound.

[Don]

But voice wiser the guitar player, that's the difference.

[Alan]

But I will. You know what? I will yield. I will yield. Because you know what? June 19, the Knicks will probably be in what Game 6 of the NBA Finals. So I'm going to be probably busy anyway. Why'd you guys say. Why'd you go?

[Don]

That's not you. That's not an event guy. That's an actual something that may happen.

[Alan]

Oh, it could. You never know. You never know. All right, so I'll yield. And if you want to start making the. It's as old. Isn't that Live Nation? That all. Live Nation, that stuff?

[Don]

I don't think it is.

[Alan]

We have friends there.

[Peter]

Probably not, no.

[Studio Technician]

Oh, no, we do.

[Alan]

We do, right?

[Studio Technician]

Absolutely.

[Alan]

All right.

[Studio Technician]

I have a feeling we're giving tickets away next week maybe to that two. Two shows.

[Alan]

Well, now, how about to the show with Don, Han and Rosenberg? Now we just. We just. We turn into a thing.

[Don]

Right? Is anything. The tickets we usually give away here.

[Peter]

They'Re not country. Now, on my actual birthday. On my actual birthday, Dom would enjoy this one too. And I think Alan would as well. But both of you more than me. On my actual birthday at Northwell Health Chicago. And sticks are at.

[Alan]

I don't hate that.

[Don]

The theater, I love that.

[Alan]

Yeah, I don't hate that at all.

[Peter]

Your boy Rod Stewart, July 31.

[Don]

That's also very good.

[Alan]

That's not. These are.

[Peter]

See Skynyrd and Foreigner, August 21. I'm good, but yeah, I. Foreigner, perhaps that one I skinnered not as much.

[Alan]

Yeah. But the other two we can have.

[Peter]

We're in business. Having a conversation.

[Alan]

All Right. So then fine. So we're already now making our plans. This is what, July for the Toto Christopher Cross excursion? Yeah, that's July.

[Don]

Yes.

[Alan]

Okay, so let's. Let's start the. Let's get the wheels in motion. We get a block of tickets, turn it into a big thing.

[Peter]

I like this. I like where we're going.

[Alan]

Birthday yacht rock extravagance.

[Peter]

I like we've done something, We've accomplished something.

[Alan]

There we go. We're done. All right, that's the show, everybody. Thanks for watching.

[Don]

I was going to say, speaking of big things, it looks like John Harbaugh right back in play again.

[Alan]

I see what you're doing. Yes.

[Peter]

That's what they're saying.

[Alan]

That's.

[Don]

Well.

[Alan]

And why are they saying it?

[Peter]

His boy didn't go to Miami.

[Alan]

That's right. So sources are telling ESPN that the Dolphins are finalizing a deal for their next player personnel general manager type will be John Eric Sullivan. He's from the Packers. So this is not the. The Chad Alexander from the Chargers that has Raven's blood that everybody thought. You connect the dots and Harbaugh's gonna end up going there. Right. So that feels like now the Dolphins, who thought were to be this imminent threat yesterday, now have gone in a direction that takes the threat away. Or at least you believe it takes the threat away. So now what? Like, is it a matter now if it's up to the Giants at this point? Like, it's really. That's it. It's up to you, New York.

[Don]

Well, first of all, and I speculated this yesterday, that we were just. It was just reporters reading the tea leaves, that there was no real, actual facts pointing to him going to the Dolphins, just all the relationship with Michigan and his brother Ross and all. No, but they end up going. They said sometimes you got to listen to what they say. They said that the firing of their head coach had nothing to do with Jim Harbaugh. John Harbaugh. And they were going to go hire the general manager. They wanted to. It looks like they want to do the whole blueprint of the Green Bay Packers. That's the reason they went in the direction that they went into. And now John Harbaugh is back in play and I guess was never not in play for the Giants. And he'll go in next week. He'll interview. And it comes right down, Allen, to what you've been saying all along. John Harbaugh is going to interview the Giants next week, not the other way around. And if John Harbaugh hears what he wants to hear he will be the next head coach of the Giants. And I'm hearing that you're probably looking in the neighborhood of five years, $100 million. You're looking at something very significant.

[Peter]

Wow.

[Don]

You're gonna really, you think John Harbaugh is gonna go somewhere for less than $20 million a year?

[Alan]

Well, who was the suggested that he could. What was. Did Gary say that? Right. Oh, you don't have to pay him a ton of money because the offset for Baltimore and I thought that was crazy. Right. Gary's got great information, but that's one where I thought there's no way like you're throwing, you're giving them a blank check and saying what do you want? Like that's what you're doing because that's how desperate of a franchise you are and that's a real thing.

[Don]

And who needs a coach that is going to fork over that kind of money? You think Tennessee is paying that?

[Alan]

I think any NFL franchise can.

[Don]

Well, I know they can, but the question is, listen, we know that Cincinnati can, but would they know? Absolutely not.

[Alan]

Right? There you go.

[Don]

I don't think, I don't think Tennessee is going to pay a head coach $20 million a year. I could be wrong. Like you said, they all make it, but whether they're willing to part with that kind of money. And listen, the Giants are an organization that doesn't like throw money around necessarily. But I just think the importance of making sure that he becomes their next head coach is so significant at this point. It was such a, be such a PR hit if you lost out on him. Yeah, you can't have. Well, he wanted 20 and we were only willing to go 15 million and that. And that's why he's not back here. That's going to make them look awful.

[Alan]

Well, Jim gets 16 a year and he signed the five year 80 million.

[Don]

Dollar deal and you know, who's the better coach?

[Alan]

Well, it just, that's the issue. The example of everybody always gets more right. Like the high end coaches, it's the same as quarterbacks. It's the same as anything else. Keeps going up, it always goes up. It's never going to go down. If you are a high level, you know, tier one head coach with a ring, that's what you're going to get. So I'm just looking at like what he already knows, what his own brother's getting. Right. Or what he got and that's, you know, that's, that's five years 80 and what is that three years ago, two years ago. So, yeah, you know, it's. It's going to go up for a guy of his stature.

[Don]

And what's available.

[Alan]

That's right.

[Don]

Right now, we can throw a wrench in this whole thing is what happens on Monday night in Pittsburgh, because if Tomlin all of a sudden shakes loose.

[Alan]

I don't know if you can.

[Peter]

We got to stop saying shakes loose.

[Don]

Because let's be honest.

[Peter]

If what really happens is you're getting tossed on your head, it's not so much that you're slipping away from these teams. They're throwing you out like Jazzy Jeff on the Fresh Prince. You know what I mean?

[Don]

I get it. But it's all a nice way of saying something. It's very.

[Peter]

No, it's very clean. It's very clean. I really think the only scenario at this point in which Tomlin goes is if it's a debacle, particularly if they don't have another quarterback situation besides Rogers. If Rogers plays well and comes back, and he's sort of been hinting that he could. If Rogers comes back. Guys, they're not moving on from Tomlin right now. They're not. There's.

[Alan]

Why.

[Peter]

If they. Unless they have another plan, a trade address, something there to get a new qb, if they decide to run this back. Why would you move. It wouldn't make any sense. They're keeping it together and they figure we'll just get rid of them both at the same time. Then if it doesn't work, you're going.

[Don]

To be starting over. Right. If you. If you're going to go find another quarterback, you're starting over.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don]

And then that would be a way. All right, we're going to move on from Tomlin. We're going to go with a different coach and just kind of reset and. But if. If you're competitive, even in a loss, but you're competitive, maybe you don't get a break, a bad call. And Rogers is red hot after throwing for like 300 yards and two touchdowns. But they come up short and he wants to come back. Why wouldn't you run it back one more time? With Baltimore not having a coach, Cincinnati's a mess. Cleveland's gonna have a different coach. Still a very winnable division. And then you just tell Tomlin, hey, you get one more kick at the can with Rogers and then we can blow it all up. After I'm with you, I'll ride Rogers as long as he's willing to go. Now, if he looks awful or gets hurt and they're non competitive. That could speed the process up. But if they win or they're in this game and Rogers wants to come back. Why wouldn't you, Peter? Why wouldn't you? What's the appetite to start over? I know there's a lot of quarterbacks that might be available now just based on how the way things have gone in these playoffs in college football, but kind of give me the known. And based on how Rogers played in the second half, got Pittsburgh into the playoffs this year. I would ride it out one more time depending on how it looks on Monday. But it's just, it's nice that the Giants are back in the favorite position to get this guy.

[Peter]

I just, I think all of these things are so funny. Like the, the, the line between, like feel me on this one, Don. The line between quote unquote, like super expert and complete yo, yo. Who knows absolutely nothing. It feels very close when it comes to things like where's the coach going? You know, like there are some exceptions where there's someone who's truly in the know.

[Alan]

Well, you're hearing from those. You're seeing them with a command of the internal knowledge. Right. Like the Giants will want some things out there about their interests. Right. So that's Madonna.

[Peter]

I've argued this before on the show, but they also work people. Oh yeah, people get worked and like. So we'll still take it at face value of like, oh my God, they know. Well, they know that that's what they wanted to tell you and you don't know. So it's just interesting. I thought it really felt like you could see the Vegas odds shifting towards. Miami for Harbaugh or Harbaugh if you're, if you're Richard. And now we sit here and Nope, it doesn't now. And by the way, does this mean it inherently rules him out of Miami? No, it doesn't do that either. It just makes you think the Giants are on an even playing field again.

[Alan]

Well, they need to. I just think the pressure is on them more than anybody else because how desperate their situation is. Right. So that's, that's what's going to make the next week so big. So we have a big football weekend, of course, because you. We have wild card weekend. We have the six games. We're going to pick all six. We're doing our pick six as this will become an annual thing on this show. As long as it is a show. And then, then after those games are over and the excitement of the first, you know, the opening weekend of Football will be for the Giants who are not involved in it, just like the jets are not involved in it. But it could be the biggest news of the week because of the stature of John Harbaugh, of course. And that's what you're waiting on. And Donna, that's exactly what it is, is Joe Shane and the Maris who are also involved in the front office will be involved in this meeting. And you're selling your franchise to him. And it's got to be an awkward place for Joe because you don't know if he's going to say, well, you know, Chad didn't get the job in Miami, but I like him and we need to bring him in here. And for Joe, he's got to know like whether it's for my job or to work with me one way or another, it's going to be a short plank, right? Well, yeah, it could be awkward, but you got to do it.

[Don]

We don't even know what his marching orders are. Remember, every statement has been he is going to lead. We're sticking with Joe Shane, although not giving him a contract extension yet. And he is going to lead our search for a new head coach. All right, well, he'll be in on the interviews, but we don't know if he's been told. Listen, we're going to go and we're going to hire a coach here and your future is going to depend on who we hire. And your job is to find the guy that's going to lead us to the promised land, not save your job. And that's pretty transparent, right? Like I think, I think John Mara and the Mara family and the Giants, even Tish could say is this the right guy or is this Joe Shane just trying to save his ass? And if John Harbaugh comes in here, are you really going to be guys, I don't know if John Harbaugh can do it.

[Alan]

Yeah, you know, yeah, he's not really our guy.

[Don]

I feel uncomfortable with him.

[Alan]

That's not working.

[Don]

Hyman Schwartz over there, a guy I knew from college, you know, I, I think he could be our head coach. And, and he, he will only come here if they give me a 10 year contract extension. I think he should be the guy. No, no, they're gonna read through that. And as a profession, I know this sounds ridiculous, that'd be bold to say something like that. Do you know? I know this is ridiculous. I mean, I just remember Brian Cashman years ago was like in the last year of his contract and they did not give him a Contract extension until after the fact. And he's making trades and he's working it. And I remember talking to Michael about it, like, how do you do that? Where you might actually be improving the team for the next guy? And Michael's like, because it was Cashman's job, he's the gm. You do what's best for the team. It's not about self preservation. It's not about making yourself look good. It's about doing what's best for the team. If Joe Shane's job is to hire a coach that gives the Giants the best chance to win and that's his job and that's the mission statement, then you go out there and you do that. Even if it means you end up losing your job.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don]

Because if you go out and get the wrong guy, you're gonna lose your job anyway.

[Alan]

It's the right thing to do.

[Don]

And then if you, they do shake you loose, that will look good to other organizations. Like, hey, Joe Shane did the right thing. He's a good guy. Let's give him an interview. Let's give him a job. I know it sounds ridiculous, but that's the way you gotta work it. No.

[Alan]

Yeah, it is. Of course it is. But it's an awkward place to be. It really is. Not, that's incredibly awkward. But, but that's what he's doing. He is selling the franchise. He is saying, here's what we got. He almost has to sell himself. Think about it. He's not just selling the Giants in their situation. Our cap situation, our roster, our draft picks, our capital, all the things that we have. Like he's, he can't just sell that. He's also got to go. And this is the stuff that I do that makes your life easier. And here's how I'll work with you so that we can build this roster together. He's got to sell, not just the Giants. He has to sell himself. Sure, there's a lot of pressure on him in this. His sit down with Stefanski was probably very relaxed. It was very chill. This, this will feel, this will be the. Probably. This will be for him a very difficult situation because he is not just selling the franchise, he's selling himself.

[Don]

Selling himself. And you talk about awkward. His contract situation. Every, everybody he hires, every, every free agent he signs to a multi year contract will have more length on their contract than him.

[Alan]

For now.

[Don]

For now, everything is awkward. So it's all an audition.

[Alan]

Yeah, but that's what, that's what's coming next week.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Alan]

And there's plenty more to talk about on that front. But if you were concerned about the Dolphins, yeah, it does feel like that concern. Now you can exhale and move on to whatever the next thing might be, which is, of course, if by chance Buffalo loses or some other team loses. And suddenly Harbaugh might be a candidate for that. But in the meantime, the Giants are next up when it comes to sitting down with him and seeing if they can make this thing happen. There's there are games to talk about, but there was only that. What else is there to talk about?

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[Don]

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[Alan]

All right, 800 now, 193776. We'll get to some calls here. We'll get back into. We'll get into a Jets conversation that we have to have. So. No, we do.

[Peter]

It's. It's Friday.

[Alan]

We're having a good time. Well, yeah, but this. This is one we have to have.

[Don]

You.

[Alan]

You guys know me. I've said they don't deserve our attention, but this is one that does deserve your attention, because these are the types of things that I always believe you cannot sweep under the rug. You got to continue to point them out, shine the light on them, because if you just ignore it, the problem gets worse. But last night, you saw Trinidad Chambliss, who was playing Division 2 football last year, came, like, really, oh, so close to pulling off an incredible performance and winning a game. They take Ole Miss to the championship game. Lane Kiffin, of course, wanted to make sure he got credit. We'll get to that, probably in Ennis.

[Don]

So lame.

[Alan]

Or maybe even on Fraud Friday. But the bigger story is this, is that chambliss, who's, what, 23 years old, was. He had applied for a sixth year. Carson Beck, by the way, is in his seventh season playing college football.

[Don]

It's crazy.

[Alan]

All right, so this is really becoming Van Wilder. But the NCAA denied his appeal or his. His application for a sixth year of eligibility. And everybody that I know in football was saying why he doesn't need to. Guys, this draft that we were told is not going to have, like, any really good quarterbacks. And, you know, you might have one or two in the. We could have four in the first round by the time we get to April. And you know how the hype starts to work. The machine really works. Trinidad Chambliss has come out of nowhere. And when you watch him play and you see him, how calm, cool, and collected he was in the fourth quarter of a national semifinal performance, how are you telling me that there's not a desperate NFL team out there that wouldn't take him in the later stages of the first round.

[Don]

Later stages, maybe.

[Alan]

Well, I'm not saying top five and not top two. Well, but why wouldn't you? He's got a ton of talent.

[Don]

I'm with you. And I think a lot of the old school scouts do. Look at the games, the performances in the high pressure situations. I don't know what the ratings were last Night, but I'm sure they're through the roof.

[Alan]

Oh, yeah.

[Don]

So to play in front of that many eyeballs and to perform at that kind of level, that kind of pressure, to me that shows that you can handle the NFL. But we've seen so much evidence of movement in the first round coming after the season is over, with the pro day, with the Wonderlic, with the interviews that the combine. I just wonder how many of these general managers even pay attention to that. The fans do. Because what else do we have to watch? We're not privy to all what is what his hundred yard dash is or his vertical leap or his Wonderlic test. We just. All we know is we watch the games on Saturday.

[Alan]

Right? You listen with your eyes.

[Don]

Right, but. But a lot of these guys don't. They get caught up in everything else? So yeah, there should be movement, but it seems like all the movement comes after the fact. So it'll be interesting to see where these guys end up getting drafted. And it may not necessarily be based on how they play this weekend or on the 19th.

[Alan]

Yeah, we're talking about tonight where it's Mendoza and more two guys that expect to go 1 and 2. Indiana and Oregon playing in the other semifinal. And Mendoza is one of the Heisman. He's got the number one team in the country. He is considered right now to be the number one pick. But if he has one bad performance, is that going to knock him off the pedestal? Who knows? But all along it's always felt like him and if Dante Moore was going to come out that, that he would be the other one. But with Chambliss again, Beck, you could say seven years of college football. He's 25 years. This guy's got, you know, three kids and a mortgage like what is. But it doesn't matter. Joe Burrow came into the league older. How'd that work out? He still went number one. So now Beck is nowhere near Burrow. But the point is, is that he is experienced and he showed you something last night. And I'm telling you, Beck is another guy that you could see a team saying, that's not a bad quarterback to draft. Now maybe is it in the first round or is it in the second or third round? Whatever it is, you're going to see more. If Ty Simpson from Alabama, nuss Meyer from lsu, there's going to be like six quarterbacks in this draft and four of them could go in the first round. With all this talk of it being a weak quarterback draft, you still probably could see four because of what we're seeing. And tonight's game is going to be a lot of fun to watch and very interesting to watch as well. But last night, that kid and his story, that jumps off the page, man. I mean, he's pointing at defenders, he's moving people. His legs, his arm. That could have been a pass interference on that final play to get them one more play.

[Peter]

It wasn't. But where were people speculating that he would go prior to the.

[Alan]

Nowhere he was. There was. There was zero talk about him.

[Peter]

So then, so, so it, so I would say then he is much more likely to go somewhere, but you wouldn't imagine he's going that high.

[Alan]

I, you don't think that he could work his way after this performance. And then obviously you put, you start watching tape on him and then you, you know, you meet him and all the stuff that goes on like Don just broke down. You don't think that he could find his way into a 15 to 20 to, you know, like one of those picks. 22, 25.

[Peter]

Don. Don, tell me if you think I'm wrong here. If considering, considering it's not like this team has not been on the radar and people don't know him. If that were to be true, I wonder what are these people doing all year? How could you possibly. Don, it would be one thing to jump from not being talked about to the third round. If you're telling me people could be five and a half rounds off on someone, okay, who is playing in meaningful games all year. Alan, you may not be wrong.

[Alan]

Do you just mean what are we doing? Do you trust Mel Kuiper?

[Peter]

How could I not?

[Alan]

Okay, Mel Kuiper has him fourth right now among quarterbacks in the draft.

[Don]

Okay?

[Alan]

Fourth among quarterbacks. Mendoza, more Simpson than him.

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Flip or Mendoza.

[Don]

It doesn't mean that they'll all be taken in the first round.

[Peter]

Right. That could still mean midway through the second.

[Don]

Right? My, it's not.

[Alan]

You had a team with an older quarterback and, you know, we need, you know, like I, I just, like I.

[Peter]

Said, like, I think a veteran quarterback, not an older quarterback isn't the first.

[Alan]

Round for the most part about like the quarterbacks is the. That is the only thing people are talking about. Everybody talks about the quarterbacks in the first round. That's like the goal for so many teams. And that's why I. Look, look, all I'm saying is, is that we went into this saying the draft is a weak year, right? And now it almost feels like. Wait a second, you're still going to get four. And all I mean is. And this is how you transition into the Jets.

[Peter]

I love it.

[Alan]

The jets have two first round picks. They don't need to take a quarterback at two. They could take one at 15 or they can even take a trade back a two, turn it into multiple picks, let somebody else be desperate, go after somebody like Moore and you get somebody that might not be immediately ready because you're not going to get anybody immediately ready at 2 either.

[Don]

Right.

[Alan]

But have somebody that might in a shorter time become more ready and then you go with a bridge quarterback next year and that gives you more picks, like you can turn those picks into more picks, you know what I mean? Like, and have more draft capital. We have the Jets. These are the types of tough decisions you have to make instead of the desperate like, well, we have to take a quarterback at 2. But if you do, you still might get a guy that's not ready anyway.

[Don]

But if you believe whatever the general managers or organizations are telling you, and sometimes I think there's smoke screens all over the place. Of course, as before we found out with Chador Sanders last year is that if you didn't have a quarterback on your board, how he performed yesterday is not going to matter. If he's on your board and you want to see more, that's going to help. But if you don't like him, I don't know if one game, as big a game as it is, as great a performance it is, is going to move it for these guys.

[Alan]

Oh, I understand.

[Don]

You know, so.

[Alan]

But they're doing homework instead. They're not watching one game.

[Don]

Right. Well, that's what I'm saying.

[Peter]

So if, then why, then why was he not being talked about previously? Was he by some.

[Alan]

I'm not saying that he was like, it was, you know, silence.

[Peter]

You're like, where did Kuiper have him a week ago is my question, I guess.

[Alan]

Well, we should ask Mel or we should just look that up. I don't know, but I know that like, look, Ole Miss has had a great season. He's been the quarterback for the majority of. Right. And he's played really well. So, you know, it's not that this guy's come out of. No, what I'm saying is a year ago he was at Division 2, Ferris State. Division 2. And now he has a chance to be a first round pick. And I don't think that's crazy to say. That's all, you know, that's simply what that's about.

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[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Alan]

What are you feeling today? You don't know? Just shook your head, took a look down the west. Jake's just feeling away today. Right.

[Don]

We'll see.

[Peter]

What song is this? I like it. Took a beat on the Northern plains.

[Don]

And just the song they used in Armageddon.

[Peter]

Roll me away. Bob Seger.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Don]

When they. When they were. Yeah, when they were given the night. The free night pass. Yeah.

[Alan]

That's a great. You know what? That's a great moment in the movie, isn't it? Like, it's low key because you see, like, the debauchery and the hilarious of it, but you also feel the emotion of that, like, the finality. That was a really good. That's really good scene.

[Don]

I don't know why I like that movie as much as I do same.

[Peter]

You love that movie, Don.

[Don]

I. But I don't want to like.

[Peter]

Because. Better.

[Don]

No, no, it's not. Armageddon's better.

[Alan]

Way better.

[Peter]

No, deep. It's because Deep Impact is better.

[Alan]

That's why you're struggling again.

[Don]

I wanted to do podcast. When my brother and I had that show, I wanted to do a show on Armageddon and Deep Impact and which one's better.

[Alan]

Wow.

[Don]

But my brother had not seen either of them, so that kind of ruined.

[Peter]

Well, chance of doing it. That I gotta tell you, that hurts.

[Don]

But me and Andrew Gunling got into fights over that because he's a Deep Impact guy.

[Alan]

I bet he is.

[Peter]

Excuse me.

[Alan]

What? I meant the movie.

[Don]

I love Andrew. There's nothing deep about his impact.

[Peter]

Oh, my God. What the hell is the matter?

[Alan]

800 now and not 776. Let's get to the calls here, boys. How about.

[Peter]

He didn't need to do that.

[Alan]

Javier and Queens Javi, start us off.

[Don]

Not inviting me, buddy.

[Listener Caller]

What's going on, guys? What's up, fellas? I've been trying to get on all week. I want to wish you guys a very happy anniversary. I knew this show was going to be good. I didn't know that it would just get better every single day. You guys are just.

[Alan]

Wow.

[Listener Caller]

I'm telling you, working on it. You're hitting it out of the park.

[Alan]

Love it.

[Listener Caller]

And this is a. This is a Knicks call, but I just wanted to point out I'm not Puerto Rican, but I do know how to pronounce his name correctly. And it's Ha. Bog. That's what we're calling him on these streets in Queens.

[Don]

He doesn't become the giant coach. That's what I'm going to call him from now on. That's right.

[Peter]

That's exactly right.

[Listener Caller]

Oh, I want to add the, the yacht rock review. Like, what is this? Is this like a DJ Cassidy past the mic situation with a lot of like, you know, middle aged white guys.

[Alan]

And I would love that. Wait a second.

[Peter]

No, it's just a band.

[Alan]

That sounds great. No, yeah, they're very good.

[Listener Caller]

Oh, man, they're very versatile band work.

[Alan]

The guy who played a saxophone, a flute, like he, he played everything. It's unreal. And then the other guy who's on keyboards, he was all over the map. They had a couple of good guitars. The, the, the, the woman who sang the female songs, unbelievable voice. And then the lead guy, he had a great charisma and, and voice. And it's just the, the, the ability to kind of hit the different sounds and not make it sound like, oh, that sounds terrible. Right? Like he. Every song sounded right. That's hard to do when you're singing it and it's all different voices. So it was fun. It was a lot of fun, Javi.

[Listener Caller]

You know, yacht rock gets a bad. A bad rap because some of the musicians are very well respected. Little known fact. Toto is the background musicians on a bunch of Thriller.

[Alan]

That's correct.

[Listener Caller]

I think like Human Nature is like a Toto song.

[Dan]

Basically.

[Peter]

I'm gonna push back on one. Yeah. Oh, that's no longer a little known fact.

[Alan]

It's not. Yeah, that's a well known.

[Don]

Yeah. Because.

[Peter]

Yeah. The documentary, it sits at it now.

[Alan]

It's here.

[Dan]

We're here.

[Don]

Yeah. Because what's his first name? The Lugath or the, the he. He's the prime. He's the primary guitar on Beat It. The solo was Eddie Van Halen, but the entire song was him. Like, so. No, there's. They're all very, very talented.

[Alan]

Yes. And we're gonna see them in July. Dan in Saratoga. Dan, you're up.

[Dan]

Big fans. Guys. What's going on?

[Alan]

What's up, man?

[Don]

It's all going on. Hey.

[Dan]

So my giants point is, I like John. John Harbaugh and I want him to be the coach. Okay, now on to music. I know you guys are a music show, so it's just.

[Don]

That was it.

[Dan]

Just get this out of the way here.

[Don]

I got.

[Dan]

I'm gonna give you three groups, okay? Just give me your top. In order, rank them one to Three, if you could.

[Alan]

Okay, okay.

[Dan]

I'm gonna give you the Commodores. I'm gonna give you Earth, Wind and Fire. Oh, and I'm gonna give you my favorite, the Bee Gees.

[Alan]

That's not easy.

[Dan]

I. I guess underrated songwriter Gibb is amazing.

[Alan]

You didn't hear Bee Gees, Don? Or is it you just don't know why he's putting them?

[Don]

No, I didn't hear Bee Gees. I'm sorry. The Bee Gees for me is one, Earth, Wind and Fire. Two Commodores. Three only because some things you think are Commodores are actually Lionel Richie solo.

[Alan]

Fair.

[Dan]

Thanks, guys.

[Don]

And I love all three, but that's the way I'd rank them. How about you?

[Peter]

The Bee Gees. Records that I love, I love, but I think it's hard to put them over Earth, Wind and Fire.

[Alan]

Yeah, I don't know. I've got.

[Peter]

In terms of greatness, it's tough.

[Alan]

Yeah, I go, I go that.

[Don]

I go.

[Alan]

Earth, Wind and Fire. Bee Gees, Commodores.

[Peter]

I gotta look up the Commodore's hits.

[Alan]

You'd be surprised, right?

[Peter]

Yeah, I know they, I know they got a bunch.

[Don]

Even at a couple after Lionel, if you believe it.

[Alan]

Yes, they did. Jose in Connecticut. What's up, Jose?

[Listener Caller]

Hey, guys.

[Fan Caller]

First before my Giants, Peter, like, the reason that Trinidad wasn't known much, like he was a backup, and it wasn't until he stepped in that people started actually catching on. And when Tiffan got fired, he stepped up as a leader and like that.

[Peter]

How many, how many games did he, how many games did he play before the playoff?

[Fan Caller]

He came in like the third, fourth game of the season, so about five, like seven.

[Alan]

All right.

[Don]

All right.

[Peter]

So a little behind, but there was still, there was still some time for tape for sure.

[Fan Caller]

Yeah, but guys, and not to you guys, because I think you guys are being like level headed on it, but you know, you can. You. So there's so many people even on your station, like, acting like if we don't get hardball, that world ends, Right? Like, I love Rothenberg, but his, his mood for the day is based on whether or not, you know, they're getting hardball. And it's like there's other good coaches, you know, like, he doesn't have to come here. Hey, I mean, I want him. Yes, but like we're talking about if these other open open, right? The Buffalo or Green Bay, if those open. Those are two more good coaches that had, you know, that, that are now available. So it's not the end of the world, guys. Like, for everyone that's freaking out, like, we had to get this guy or.

[Listener Caller]

My season is ruined.

[Fan Caller]

Like, this is to be patient and hopefully at least they get a guy that has experience, not another coordinator. That's my only main hope. I don't want, like, another defensive coordinator.

[Alan]

I think you're. I think if that's what you're looking for, you're not going to be disappointed. I don't see them hiring a young coordinator type. I think you're going to have. Whether it's Stefanski or McCarthy or, you know, Harbaugh, like, you're going to get something along those lines more than you. I think you're gonna get the. The inexperienced type. I didn't realize that you guys were. I just am taking a glance at the monitor because here in the studio, it's hard to see our shot. YouTube Don Looks like a floating head. Anthony, am I wrong?

[Don]

Isn't it better than before, though?

[Peter]

Why a floating head?

[Studio Technician]

This is what you get.

[Alan]

Guys, he must be wearing black.

[Peter]

Oh, it's dark now.

[Studio Technician]

Darth Don or get overexposed Don. And we have to figure out. Maybe we'll make a poll out of it. What one do you like better to be?

[Alan]

I think it looks great.

[Don]

Okay.

[Alan]

Good. Really cool studio vibe to it. And I like it.

[Studio Technician]

Peter looks like he's inside of another box because he's got the TV behind him.

[Alan]

Oh, and the reflection off the TV is not exactly helping. Yeah.

[Peter]

This clear. The light in this room bothers me.

[Studio Technician]

But it's very quiet, so I can't complain.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Alan]

And you're clear.

[Peter]

No, it's nice.

[Don]

But to the caller's point, if you go to Mike McCarthy, should you be that disappointed? We talked about how their resumes are almost equal.

[Alan]

Right.

[Don]

All right. I can understand wanting one over the other. I would rather have Harbaugh than McCarthy, but I wouldn't look at it as a complete fail. But now if there's no McCarthy and it's Defansky, like, each one is a different level of disappointment. But again, I didn't get a chance to hear the morning show to see what Dave was saying. But you can't. You can't get apoplectic if they lose him and go to McCarthy.

[Alan]

But you understand that what happens is, it's that when. When Harbaugh becomes available and you become a legitimate candidate for him, that's the big prize. And you want that. You're in New York. You expect the best. You want the best, get the best guy. We couldn't get the best guy. So now we got to settle for second best or even third best. And that could be. That's going to be disappointing.

[Don]

I understand that. But I guess my argument is, is McCarthy that significant of a pivot? Is that from Harbaugh significant, a consolation prize? When you look at their resumes, they both have won Super Bowls. When we had Michael on the other day, talked about how they've almost have the same winning percentage. The only difference is, is that McCarthy was in green Bay and Dallas.

[Alan]

Right.

[Don]

But that kind of. I think that's almost a compliment to him that he was able to have similar success in Dallas or he did win a championship. Nobody's won a championship in Dallas and three decades. Tony Romo couldn't win there as a quarterback. Nobody's won anything there as a head coach in Jimmy Johnson. Right. So. Well, you know, technically, you know, Switzer, but I think everybody gives chance.

[Alan]

We have. Yeah, right.

[Don]

But you know, what I'm saying is, is that like if you go to Stefanski, I can understand you're disappointed. Stefanski doesn't have any Super Bowl. He's got a couple of coaches of the year. So what? The Giants just fired a former coach of the year. But that's my only argument. I'm not saying not to be disappointed in the prize in Harbaugh, but is the second place finish that far behind in McCarthy? No, but I don't think so.

[Alan]

No. And we won't know that until the season starts. But you know the emotion and Dave is going to be right there front and center. The emotion will be, we didn't get the best guy available.

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