Hour 1: Help From Parcells?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 1: Help From Parcells?

Release Date: January 23, 2025

In this engaging episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg, hosts Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve into the New York Jets' recent hiring of Aaron Glenn as their new head coach. The conversation centers around Glenn's lack of head coaching experience and the potential influence of legendary coach Bill Parcells in ensuring Glenn's success. The hosts provide insightful analysis, relatable anecdotes, and incorporate audience interactions to enrich the discussion.

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1. Introduction to the Jets' Coaching Hire

Peter Rosenberg opens the discussion by presenting a critical question about the Jets' decision to hire Aaron Glenn, focusing on Glenn's inexperience and the behind-the-scenes support from Bill Parcells.

"If I told you that behind the curtain is Bill Parcells' okay... would you feel any different about this hire now?"
(01:10)

Alan Hahn responds with tempered optimism but expresses lingering concerns about Glenn's capabilities as a first-time head coach.

"I guess a little bit, but not much. Not much."
(01:56)

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2. Bill Parcells' Role and Influence

The conversation shifts to the significance of Bill Parcells' support for Aaron Glenn. Hansen emphasizes that while Parcells' backing is reassuring, it doesn't fully mitigate the apprehensions about Glenn's inexperience.

"Bill Parcells is not coaching the team. He's gonna advise. If that's the case, he's gonna help. Yeah, it can't hurt."
(10:46)

Rosenberg shares his perspective on Parcells' involvement, highlighting Parcells' storied coaching history and his potential to mentor Glenn effectively.

"Having a guy like Parcells and his hall of Fame resume... I feel better that you're leaning more on somebody like him."
(02:32)

Hahn concurs, noting his respect for Parcells but remains skeptical about the direct impact on Glenn's performance.

"I don't think... he's still got to go out there and coach."
(02:12)

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3. Comparative Analysis of Coaching Hires

The hosts draw parallels with past coaching hires, examining how experience and support systems have influenced team performance.

Hahn references his own experience transitioning into a broadcasting role, underscoring the challenges newcomers face even with guidance.

"Every coach has an origin story of how hard they work to get there... but when I talk about inexperience, it's talk."
(07:51)

Rosenberg counters by emphasizing the value of having experienced advisors like Parcells to bolster a novice coach's decision-making.

"He's coming in with the backing of Bill Parcells... that's something that can work."
(08:36)

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4. Concerns About Organizational Support

A significant portion of the discussion addresses the potential challenges Aaron Glenn might face within the Jets' organizational structure, particularly concerning owner Woody Johnson's influence.

Hahn questions the extent of Johnson's support and whether it might undermine Glenn's authority.

"How difficult is it to do in this organization when Woody Johnson's running things?"
(27:41)

Rosenberg speculates on the dynamics between Johnson and Parcells, pondering whether Parcells' involvement could counterbalance any organizational hurdles.

"You think Bill's gonna sit back? No."
(30:29)

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5. Audience Interaction: Callers Weigh In

The episode features insightful perspectives from audience callers, adding depth to the hosts' analysis.

• Griffin from Connecticut praises the Commanders' turnaround but questions its place among the greatest in sports history, drawing a parallel to the Jets' potential resurgence.

  "Is this one of the greatest turnarounds in sports that you ever see?"
  (17:45)

• Matt from Stony Brook voices skepticism about Aaron Rodgers' fit within the Jets, citing past dysfunctions associated with Rodgers.

  "I don't understand the hate. He gets blamed for the dysfunctionality of the Jets."
  (37:08)

• Ira from Staten Island concurs with Hahn, emphasizing the importance of hiring a competent leader over relying solely on experienced advisors.

  "If you hired somebody who can't lead, it doesn't matter who's around them."
  (20:33)

• Keyshawn Johnson provides a supportive stance towards Glenn, likening him to Herm Edwards and expressing confidence in his leadership abilities.

  "Glenn is going to take no nonsense and these players are in for a shock."
  (33:22)

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6. Impact of Aaron Rodgers on the Jets' Future

A recurring theme is the potential reintroduction of Aaron Rodgers to the Jets, exploring both its advantages and pitfalls.

Rosenberg discusses the complexities Rodgers would bring, especially in a locker room transitioning under Glenn's new regime.

"He's not coming into this thing wide-eyed. He's coming into this thing with some people behind him."
(12:58)

Hahn expresses concern about maintaining authority if Rodgers is involved, fearing it could exacerbate existing dysfunctions.

"If you tell me he hired Bill Parcells and Bill Parcells' gonna be on the sidelines helping him out, should I go for it on fourth down, coach?"
(06:09)

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7. Final Thoughts and Outlook

As the episode wraps up, Hahn maintains his stance of cautious optimism, recognizing Parcells' support but reiterating concerns about Glenn's inexperience and the overarching organizational support.

"But it doesn't change my apprehension because he's got Parcells backing it partially because I'm not surprised by it."
(32:52)

Rosenberg echoes the sentiment, highlighting the uncertainty surrounding the Jets' direction and the critical factors that will determine their success under Glenn.

"Once you get in, it's a first-year head coach... he's going to get better."
(26:00)

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Notable Quotes

• Peter Rosenberg (02:32): "If I told you that behind the curtain is Bill Parcells' okay... would you feel any different about this hire now?"

• Alan Hahn (07:51): "Every coach has an origin story of how hard they work to get there."

• Keyshawn Johnson (33:22): "Glenn is going to take no nonsense and these players are in for a shock."

• Matt from Stony Brook (37:08): "I don't understand the hate. He gets blamed for the dysfunctionality of the Jets."

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Conclusion

In "Help From Parcells?", Don, Hahn & Rosenberg provide a comprehensive analysis of the New York Jets' strategic hiring of Aaron Glenn as head coach. While acknowledging the potential benefits of Bill Parcells' backing, the hosts and their callers collectively express reservations about Glenn's lack of head coaching experience and the broader organizational challenges that lie ahead. The episode underscores the delicate balance between experienced mentorship and the imperative for strong leadership within a struggling franchise.

For those keen on the intricacies of NFL team management and coaching dynamics, this episode offers valuable insights and sparking thoughtful consideration of what the Jets' future holds under their new leadership.

Transcript

[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

Don, one day you're not gonna play football anymore. And if there's a God up above, it'll be soon.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Han, huge. No, but big.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Mike Westhoff]

And Rosenberg.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said. This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.

[Mike Westhoff]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg on 880 ESPN and the ESPN New York app.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yes, it is. 800-919-3776 is the number. Get on those calls now. Get on the phones now.

[Alan Hahn]

The lines.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We only have a few open already. Be part of that. Don Leggraeck, I have a question for you. Right out of the gate, not even going to waste any time. Love it. We're not going to bother with banter or anything, right? We'll talk about what you did earlier today. Yes, we'll get to that. And all you had a busy day, but I just. I have to ask this question. Based off of everything we've been talking about the last couple of days, when it comes to the jets and their new head coach hire in Aaron Glenn and the concern that, you know, oh, it's another coach who doesn't have any head coaching experience and you worry about that. If I told you that behind the curtain is Bill Parcell's okay, not necessarily running things, but if I just said Parcell's influence is definitely around this whole situation and he has a vested interest in making sure Aaron Glenn has success, would you feel any different about this hire now?

[Alan Hahn]

I guess a little bit, but not much. Not much. I like to hire, don't get me wrong. But the inexperience still bothers me. And the fact that he's. He might be getting help from Bill Parcells, it doesn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't mean coaching help. It's like when the Godfather calls and says, hey, we got a guy in New York now, I'm gonna need you to come help him. Right? And so whoever it is is like, yeah, when do you need me? Because that's what you do when Bill Parcells calls you if you have that type of loyalty to him, which we know there's a lot of people in the NFL that have a loyalty to Bill Parcells.

[Alan Hahn]

Sure. But wouldn't I assume anyway that Aaron Glenn would reach out to everybody that he knows? Like, if you got a, if you got a coaching gig, wouldn't you reach out to your former coaches, people that you knew, people that you're connected with and pick their brain? So I, I would almost kind of assume that Bill Parcells would help him out. Now, does it make me feel a little bit better that he is tapping into that expertise and that you have somebody that's in the hall of Fame helping you out? I guess a little bit. But I don't think. Oh, no, now, now, now. I think we're good because he still has to go out there and coach Bill Parcells. Can't coach for him. Now, some of the names that I'm hearing that could be involved in the coaches, that doesn't float my boat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

Wilkes. I mean, we still don't even know what happened to San Francisco.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's been floated out there as somebody that, I mean, he's got experience. He's been ahead.

[Alan Hahn]

Tons of experience. He also got tons of experience getting fired. Well, but he's, he has, he's one and done, man. Every go look at his resume.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but you're not asking to be the head coach. You're asking him to do what he's.

[Alan Hahn]

Been doing as a defensive coordinator. He didn't spend a lot of time anywhere. So do you feel good about it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not saying he can't do a good job.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I gotta be honest with you. I feel a lot better about it knowing that you have somebody like that that is. Has a vested interest in the success. Here's why. Because. And again, we'd love to get your input at 800-919-3776 on this because again, I'm putting the name out there, Bill Parcells. No, he is not coaching, but he is very, very much interested in the success of Aaron Glenn, somebody that he feels strongly about. You've seen some quotes already in the media from him. But I am just saying that if I told you that his influence is being felt now around this organization, I feel better for this one reason. I don't trust Woody Johnson. I don't trust him as somebody that. And people we've seen him rely on in the past doesn't have. Hadn't really worked out. Peyton Manning. That wasn't Woody now, that was Christopher. Peyton Manning suggested Adam Gase had that work out, right? That didn't work. He had Charlie Casherly and Ron Wolfe help him out. One other time, he brings in Mike Tannenbaum, who is a friend of both of ours, so we know we hold him in high regard. And Mike Tannenbaum, smart. He probably reached out to Bill and said, what would you know? What do you think? And Parcells is like, well, let's see. And if Glenn is interested, which he was, let's make sure he has success. Let's not let him go there and get eaten alive like all these other people have gotten. I feel better that you're leaning more on somebody like him with his hall of Fame resume than I am leaning on an owner who has struggled to understand what leadership looks like. That's my opinion.

[Alan Hahn]

No. And I'm not. I got. I can't hurt. But am I over the moon about it? Listen, nobody respects Bill Parcells more than I do. I'm a Giant fan, so I saw it firsthand. He won two Super Bowls. The Giants won a Super bowl in 1986. It was January of 1987. I didn't think it was ever going to be possible that the Giants win a Super Bowl. So I love Bill Parcells, but this isn't going to hurt. But I don't know if it now makes me, like a warm blanket, feel better about the fact that Aaron Glenn doesn't have experience as a head coach and Steve Wilkes does not float my boat as a defensive coordinator. So if that's one of the recommendations, I'd say, oh, okay, fine. You know, does that mean that it's automatically going to be great now? If you tell me he hired Bill Parcells and Bill Parcell's gonna be on the sidelines helping him out, Should I go for it on fourth down, coach? Should I punt here?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think you need that, you know, so I.

[Alan Hahn]

That. That's a different story. But this is a guy that's gonna make suggestions. He's gonna have conversations with him. He's gonna, you know, try to pick his brain on stuff, which is always a good idea. Matter of fact, it shouldn't stop there. He should be calling everybody that he knows to try to get as much information about this job as humanly possible.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sean Payton and Bill Belichick, these are all people that he knows personally. This is all part of the tree. You could argue Aaron Glenn is part of Parcell's tree. If you want to really trace it back, you could trace it Back to there.

[Alan Hahn]

But. But we've always had conversations, Alan. And again, I'm not coming from a place where I think it's a bad idea. I think it's a great idea. Okay, but we talk about coaches. Look at the Bill Belichick coaches tree. It's not good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, so just because you worked with a guy, just because you know a guy, just because you pick a guy's brain doesn't necessarily mean that that is going to translate in you doing a good job as head coach now. It's gonna. It. It can't hurt. But when I talk about inexperience, it's talk. I'm talking about, all right, game planning, making a decision on the fly. What do I do here? Do I go for it? Do I go for two? Do I kick the extra point, though? These are the things that will ultimately determine whether you win or lose games. What do I say to my team at the half after a miserable start to the game? How do I keep them up when they get off to a great start? All these little things, it's. Yeah, every job. When I got hired to back up Kenny Albert doing play by play, I called everybody. I called Bill Clement, I called Bob Wishuze, I talked to Kenny Albert. But when I got there and I started doing that game in Philadelphia, that advice was all great. But now it's up to me, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Alan Hahn]

And you know what? I sounded like a guy doing a game for the first time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

And then eventually, after a few hundred times, I kind of got the hang of it, you know? So that's all I'm saying. Pick everybody's brain. But does it make me feel better about his inexperience? I'll be honest with you. No, it doesn't. Doesn't. I don't. It doesn't make me feel worse, but it doesn't make me feel better.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it doesn't make you feel worse is one thing. I don't know if that doesn't make you feel better. Not even a little bit. A little bit like you got it. Like, you gotta at least say, yeah. At least I know he's got support. At least I know that they're gonna put an experienced group around him right now. Listen, like, he's not coming into this thing wide eyed. He's coming into this thing with some people behind him. He's got some backing.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, listen, we're here in Wilkes. That doesn't do anything for me. I'm hearing conversations about Mike Westoff being involved. Tremendous love Mike Westoff. Brilliant special teams Mike Westoff. I remember having conversations with him on the air about how he wanted the head coaching job with Rex Guy. Like, he. He is a. He is a savant.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

Now he's. And he's had some health issues. I talked to him a few weeks ago. It's fine. He's okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, it doesn't sound like he'll be the special teams coach, but those are people that you want to pick their brain.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what I'm saying. Bring great people in the room.

[Alan Hahn]

That is great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

That's going to definitely help.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So how is this, then, not better? Like, you're just telling me it doesn't make me feel better. How could it not make you feel better?

[Alan Hahn]

Because it's. It's still the inexperience of a coach trying to do a lot of heavy support around him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

More than I be like, like, what did Salah bring in that you're like, well, he's got some solid people around him. Look at the name. The guy that he brought in around.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know who he talked to. I'm sure he talked to people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Talking to people and bringing them in to help you.

[Alan Hahn]

He had been in Seattle. He had been in San Francisco, and some really good coaches there. I'm sure he picked their brain.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. But it's two different things. I mean, he had Mike LaFleur, who was a kid. Right. Ulbricht. I mean, this is like, he wasn't bringing in.

[Alan Hahn]

He was in Seattle with Pete Carroll. Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So, I mean, I'm sure that helped.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But my point, though, like, this is different. He's coming in. Not only does he have the experience of playing here. Right. So there's a little something extra to that, but you also have the backing of one of the biggest. Think about coaching minds and influence. When you talk about how many generations of coaches he's influenced, having a guy like Parcells and his reach and then others who are all agreeing to cut. Let's come and make this work. Let's get together and make this work. It does remind me of the time that he came in 97 after the most embarrassing season in franchise history and said, I'm bringing my people in and we're getting this thing right. It's almost like you can I visualize this group just marching in to Floral park, bursting the doors open and going.

[Alan Hahn]

Everybody himself had the experience of two super bowl rings on his finger when he came to the jets in 1997.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

So Bill Parcell's not coaching the team. He's gonna advise. If that's the case, he's gonna help. Yeah, it can't hurt. But you asked me. Does it now make me feel better? This is like, okay, I didn't have a problem with the hire to begin with, but my apprehension about his inexperience hasn't been washed away by this piece of information. This question that you asked me does not wash that away.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't say wash it away.

[Alan Hahn]

A concern for me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But did it at least take. Take the dirty. Is at least you can see through it. Can you at least, like, tell me. All right, you know what? It's a little bit better than it was yesterday.

[Alan Hahn]

A little.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maybe because you just told me. No, it doesn't change anything. It's got to change.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, no, I told you it can't hurt. And yeah, picking. But does that tell me that now? I'm okay with the inexperience. I still think the inexperience is in play. Again, the Wilkes thing, I'm being honest with you. It doesn't do very much for me. May turn to be a terrific defensive coordinator.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good coordinator, you know, a couple of times. Again, the thing in thing in San Francisco was because he was. He had a hard. Like they would. A hard time dealing with him in the coaching staff.

[Alan Hahn]

That's that one. It just. It was just. You look at his, like, just like a lot of one and dies.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know he's bounced around. All right. I know I get a couple of.

[Alan Hahn]

Years in Carolina defensive backs coach. Then he was interview coach. But then he just like he, you know, head coach in Arizona for the year, defensive coordinator for Cleveland for a year. Went to Freddy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Think about it, though. Freddy Kitchens. That wasn't going to last. Right. So you knew he was going to be out there the year in Carolina. He ended up having to take over and then they hired Frank Reich.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm okay with you. Right, right. Freddie Keegan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, that's right. And so you think about where he went. There wasn't much stability in some of these places. Okay. I think it's fair to say no.

[Alan Hahn]

Again, I'm not killing the. If it. If he does hire him. But that doesn't like, float my boat. Like, oh, okay. To me, it's nothing to get overly excited about. Westhoff does. If Westhoff is involved in this team. Because I have all the respect in the world for Mike Westhoff, not just as a special teams coach, but as a knowledge of football. And he's been around forever and he was at the right Arm of Don Shuler for years. Like, that's, that's a big deal. That, that, that, that floats my boat. But overall, like, once we go in, it's still going to be a first year head coach, no matter how much knowledge he gained, no matter who he talked to. I mean, it's smart to reach out to Bill Parcells. Absolutely, absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, I guess maybe, I think, Don, you might be like too close to the ground where I'm up, way up high, looking down. What you just said is why I feel better. You're getting into the details of. Okay, but what about this and what about that? Which all has to be figured out. But I'm going from originally, you're hiring a guy who I really want to see succeed because I liked him as a Jet and now he has no experience and I'm worried about. He comes in and it's the same thing. New York eats him alive. It's the jets and they always find a way to do something. But if you then say, well, hang on a second, he's coming in with the backing of Bill Parcell, like, he's got him in his corner. So anybody that messes with him, especially if it's like, you know, again, Woody Johnson, all the crazy stuff there, anybody in New York, media wise.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You think Bill's gonna sit back? No. So that makes me feel okay. Like, he's not coming in like on his own.

[Alan Hahn]

He's got some backing, but we've heard nothing. When we had key Shaun Johnson on right. When we've talked to people and the reports are here that this guy is prepared. This guy has turned over every stone. He has paid his due. Look, all those things are good to hear, right? They're great to hear. But it didn't take me away from the fact he's still inexperienced. You still have to learn on the job. And that comes with anybody that's in. Because I got to be honest with you, every coach has an origin story of how hard they work to get there fair and how many divorces they went through and how they haven't seen their kids because they were so dedicated to the game of football. And everybody knows somebody, right? Everybody had. They came from the coaching tree. They coached with Bill Belichick. They knew Bill Parcells. They had this guy on speed dial. They had that guy on speed dial. They all have their connections. Otherwise they wouldn't get into the NFL. Because I got news for you. It seems like we see, we hear a lot of the same names come up because you hire the people you're comfortable with. So if you're in the NFL, you certainly got through. It's funny, it's a different sport, but like watching the Jacques Lemaire stuff yesterday, do you realize he's being paid by the Islanders? Like Lou Lamorello has paid Jacques Lemaire to be an advisor? Like once. Once you're with somebody, you're with them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Forever because you trust them.

[Alan Hahn]

So all these coaches have come from someplace, right? Like we talked about it yesterday, Peyton Manning advocated for Adam Gase. That probably made people feel good at the time and it ended up being a disaster. I've got too much experience to just say, okay, now we're good. I need to see it. And I would feel a little bit more comfortable if you had more experience. So to answer your question, no, it doesn't make me feel better. But I do like the hire Allen and I do think it can work. But it doesn't change my apprehension because he's got Parcells backing it partially because I'm not surprised by it. I knew how much Bill loved him and Bill is very, very helpful to anybody that's tried to get into coaching and all that. So. But when he's sitting on that sideline and you're down 10 to the dolphins in the third quarter and you've got a decision, you're not going to be able to call Bill at that moment, all right? You're only going to be able to make your decisions and be able to go back to your expertise and your experience on what to do in this situation. And unfortunately, people that are inexperienced don't have a reservoir of what I did two years ago in this situation. It's all gonna be fresh, it's all gonna be new and he'll get better and I do think he will become a good head coach. But you know how this city and this league eats alive. The inexperience eats alive, the failures early and you don't want to see that happen to him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

800-919-3776 Before I go to another point that of what could come of all this, we got to get to some calls and thoughts on it because there's even more information that we have to consider going forward on this. There's tons to get to, of course today, everybody. This isn't just it. We have on the NBA side the All Star starters will be announced tonight and this could be the first time in I can't remember when the Knicks will could possibly have two starters named to the All Star team. So we have that to discuss. The hall of Fame stuff to discuss. And the Rangers play tonight. Don, I'll be working later on tonight. So we're done at 6:30, Rangers and the Flyers tonight right here on 880.

[Alan Hahn]

Another I say must win. We want to keep this going. Flyers. You know, listen, I love John Tortorella. He's done a good job of the Flyers, but I think the way the Rangers are playing right now, you want two in your pocket with the Avalanche coming on Sunday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Absolutely. So again, like we said, plenty to talk about here, but let's get to you. So let's go to. How about Griffin in Connecticut to start us off today? Hey, Griffin.

[Griffin]

I'm not. I just have a quick question and maybe this could start a topic after the jets conversation that you're having. The Commanders are in the NFC Championship game after one year of really being so bad. Is this one of the greatest turnarounds in sports that you ever see to turn around like that in one year? I don't know if I've seen a turnaround like that. It's hard to find.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would have to do the research. And they also will have to win this game. Griffin.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like it's been, it's been remarkable. But we have seen year to year in the NFL teams that, you know, were bad the one year and then they turned to 12 wins or something like that the year after, there's not, that's not crazy. But getting to a Super bowl after having the number two pick in the draft, the second, second worst, you know, like that, that's something that is going to be significant.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And a rookie. No, there's no doubt. Griffin, you know, but you get the.

[Alan Hahn]

Right quarterback, you get the right coach, your right offensive coordinator, good things can happen. But it still to be able to make this kind of a jump, it's pretty amazing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's quite significant.

[Alan Hahn]

It's going to be pretty heavy lifting beating the Eagles and we're going to get into a lot of it tomorrow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

But the Eagles haven't been, you know, it didn't exactly blow away the two teams that they faced here. They didn't, they didn't destroy the Rams or the Packers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Hertz injury is definitely something that could change everything. I remember the last time the Commanders played, that was a shootout.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like they were the five, they had five touchdowns Daniels had in that game. Like it's, you know, this could be, it's not going to be one of these games that you feel like, oh, like I thought they'd go into Detroit and like, reality hits. It's a young quarterback. He'll be overwhelmed by the moment none of that happened. So I can't imagine it's going to happen in this game either. So let's go to Matt in Stony Brook. Matt.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, good afternoon, guys.

[Ira]

Thanks for taking my call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You got it.

[Alan Hahn]

So I want to.

[Ira]

I want to agree with Don here, Alan, because I get what you're saying with having somebody in your ear and a nice safety blanket, but that only matters if you've hired a good leader. If you hired somebody who can't lead, it doesn't matter who's around them. And especially when you have an organization with the level of dysfunction as the jets, you either hired the right guy or you didn't. And I'll tell you one thing Glenn has going for him that's also his greatest potential impediment is one in the same It's Aaron Rodgers. If he needs Aaron to have instant success, because there's not many other options. And at the same time, if Glenn wants to make that locker room his, the one person who can really sink that entire ship from the beginning is Aaron Rodgers. So that's my take on it, guys. Thank you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's interesting that you say that, Matt, because coming up, I think that's a conversation we have to get back into, because initially, like, the belief and some of the reporting was like, Aaron, Glenn would want to have Aaron Rodgers back. And we just kind of assumed like, okay, that's probably, you know, something that might happen. And we all talked about why it makes sense because there'll be the immediate focus on trying to win now, and you wouldn't have to fill the role of a quarterback, which is very hard to do. But it takes me back to when we had Keyshawn Johnson on last week, Don. And was it last week earlier this week? I can't remember anymore.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it was earlier this week. It was Tuesday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This week feels like two weeks already.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that doesn't bode well for what you think of maybe. No, it should be flying by.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ray Row did not mean it like.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm joking, I'm joking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just everything's blending right now. Like, time is just.

[Alan Hahn]

You got a lot on your plate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A lot going on right now. So my point is this, is that I want to play. What Keyshawn said to us about Aaron Rodgers and what he thinks, yo, like, again, Keyshawn Johnson, what does he know with the jets and all that stuff? I do know that he is in this business. He pays very close attention to the NFL and he's a wide receiver that would understand what you're dealing with with a guy like Aaron. So take a listen to what he said and then let's think about as we go into the break, what would actually be the best thing for the jets and for Aaron Glenn going forward, trying to play Rogers. That's it.

[Matt]

I'm not interested. I'm not interested in Aaron Rodgers. That's just me. I'm not interested. If Eric L would ask me, I would tell him I'm not interested. And I like Aaron Rodgers. I don't know him personally, but when I see some of the things that have gone on in Green Bay and now in New York, I don't know that I really want to bring that back into my locker room, whatever that is, because I don't have all the details and all the stories. But I do know a player was thrown under the bus and eventually traded. I do know a coach was fired and off of the coordinator, he was demoted. I do know he wasn't at minicamp.

[Alan Hahn]

He was in Egypt.

[Matt]

Those things I do know. Do I want that in my locker room? And they won seven games last year and I think they won five this year. Zach Wilson was able to get them seven and our four time MVP was only able to get them five.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So think of that. And then also put with it what I said at the top here was what if I told you Bill Parcells has some influence here. Now imagine a world where maybe Aaron Rodgers is not part of the future with the Jets. We'll discuss that. We got your calls. 800-919-3776 and Dom, we got some Mazda for me?

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[Mike Westhoff]

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[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Mike Westhoff]

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[Alan Hahn]

Well, there you go. I just got off the phone with Mike Westlaw.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

He was calling me during the commercial.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And he said he's not coaching again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

He was just trying to help out Aaron with some potential hires. And he said he will volunteer his services to work with a team during training camp. But he's out of the coaching business now, but maybe one day you could.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do me a favor.

[Alan Hahn]

And I asked him, I said, do you like to hire? And he said, yeah, I'd like to see a staff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep. Well, of course. So, I mean, you got to see who you're bringing in. But I mean, again, what are we talking about? When you are trying to build a coaching staff, you reach out to people that you respect that could help you out. And then when they say, you want me to come up, I'll come up and help. Yeah, I'd love to have you come up. Oh, that's exactly what you do.

[Alan Hahn]

That's all helpful, but I'm warming to it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

But I'm still apprehensive because, again, I just don't think it completely answers all of the questions about the inexperience. And I'm just being honest. Steve Wilkes could turn out to be a great hire. It doesn't do very much for me. All right, well, and we'll see what they do. Any, like, who the offensive coordinator is going to be. Special teams, there's a lot of different.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, the coordinator part is going to be very important, but you know what else is going to be important is going to be the quarterback. And so we just played before the break what Keyshawn Johnson told us earlier this week, what he felt. And Keyshawn felt like, you don't want Rogers back. And he said, I don't want a guy that's. He already has the past. This past year of, you know, he showed up when he wanted, undermined a little bit, you know, like that kind of stuff. And I don't want that.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Keyshawn is very close to Glenn. He wants him to succeed. So he's saying that. And we first heard it and thought, okay, that's Keyshawn, the media, you know, the sports media personality saying this. But then the more I thought about it, the more I'm like, I actually think that's Keyshawn Johnson, the. I'm friends with Aaron Glenn. I've known him a long time, and I don't want him to have to deal with this. So the more I thought about it, the more I said, you know what? Bill Parcells is involved. And you think Bill Parcells would want to put up with that?

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I think there's now a better chance Rodgers doesn't come back knowing that. Like, once again, if, you know, somebody like a. Parcells is there and he's kind of, you know, whatever it is advising. Right. Let's say he's doing. And I would ma. I would imagine he would say, this has to be your team. You have to be in full control. There can't be anybody that undermines your ability to be the be all, end all. I'm the leader. Everybody follows my rules. And if it's a mandatory camp, you're going. There's none of this, you know, rules for different people. So that would suggest that they will probably move on from Rogers. Does that make it any better for you? Because you could. You could have a scenario where you say, why don't you bring back Sam Darnold? We weren't the guys that let him go.

[Alan Hahn]

No. Yeah, I think that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that ended up being a mistake because the number two pick being Zach Wilson was a mistake. You could have done more with that. So do you go that route and go from there?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I do agree that it can't be like it was, where guys just could do whatever they want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Somebody's got to put their foot down. But here's the story.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You got to get Garrett Wilson in line. Like, there's a lot of stuff you.

[Alan Hahn]

Got to do, but how difficult is it to do in this organization when Woody Johnson's running things? Like, did Robert Sala not give flack to Rogers because he was scared or because he knew he didn't have the backing of his owner?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think both. Not scared. I wouldn't use scared. I would say it's just more like.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I don't think, Robert, this guy's an entity of anybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, but it's not the sc. It's the. It's the. This guy is a. Is a entity of his own, and dealing with this is not easy, and the players like him. So now I'm gonna. I worry about the. The delicate balance of my locker room. So I'm gonna have to align with him and hope that he is the leader that we think he could be and galvanize everybody. Then he got hurt. Right? So from there it never was the same. Right. I'll never again. The off season, the training camp, the hard knocks of 2023 was the best of times for the jets that we've seen since Rex. Right? The best of times. There was nothing bad. That whole thing was unbelievable. It was Camelot and then it all went to crap. So I think for Saleh, he didn't really know what to do. He looked many times Robert Salah did as if he was overwhelmed by that job.

[Alan Hahn]

He did. But I still think it was a mistake letting him go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't disagree with that at all.

[Alan Hahn]

Because he was getting better at his job as far as being a co ex.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, he just needed support like you said.

[Alan Hahn]

Because like he said. Well, you went from. You went from seven wins with Zach Wilson to five with Aaron Rodgers. Well, that's being unfair because now you went from having a coach to having no coach in the second half of the season. That was a mistake. Well, I'll go back to Salah. Look, forget about Rogers because Rogers is a completely different entity. Right. Like I get. Just because he's Aaron Rodgers. Forget about whether he's changes to. It's still Aaron Rodgers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Look what Zach Wilson. Salah didn't handle that situation well. Right. Giving him a special treatment. The rest of the team's like, well, you're treating this guy special and you're killing us. But again, was that Woody Johnson or was that Robert Sala? Because again, the relationship with the JetBlue and all that like was. I just wonder, these coaches who come in that can't control their players, is it them or is it the fact that the fish rots from the head and Woody Johnson doesn't let his coaches be what they need to be because Woody Johnson's still there. Last time I saw.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

So Aaron Rodgers, we got to cut down on the Aarons. Michael was talking about it before we got too many Aarons in New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A lot of errands.

[Alan Hahn]

But Glenn might have every intention of telling Aaron Rodgers, my way or the highway, buddy. But you know what? If you don't have backing from management, don't have backing from the owner, it's not going to matter because all Roger is doing would then call Woody and say, your new coach is bothering me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now again though, does Woody suddenly have a new friend in Parcells?

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what I mean? Like now all of a sudden it's okay.

[Alan Hahn]

So now that opens up another cattle open.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So Bill Bill's now in my. Bill's my friend.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Remember your whole thing about, you know, Peyton Manning called me? Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, listen, he's very impressed with getting phone calls from famous people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. So now I was like, wait a second, I got this guy, remember? And Johnson, to his credit, I guess, was the one who said he didn't want Rogers around anymore, that he wanted to be out of the business of Aaron Rodgers. So many has said that.

[Alan Hahn]

Right? So anyway, yeah, that's why, long story short.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Two things. I think Rogers will be a little bit different this year. I can't guarantee it, but this is his last kick of the can here. He might be on his best behavior, but we thought that last year, too, so who knows? All right, but you just mentioned about parcel's influence on the head coach, on the owner. How would that. How's that going to make the new general manager feel? It's like, well, I got my head coach talking to Bill Parcells, I've got the owner talking to Bill Parcell. What am I, just a capologist here? Like, what am I on the pain o mind list?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

What if I want Aaron Rodgers? Once again, I guess I don't have a say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's why some guys don't want this job, because the hierarchy is you're on equal footing. The only say you have is player personnel roster, draft, like that's it. And so. And a lot of times we're going to tell you what we want and you go get it. Yeah, that's been the thing. You aren't really in charge of anyone.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not really an attractive job for me then as a general manager. Maybe that's why Newmark all of a sudden got kicked. Not kicked to the curb, but just. I thought they were going to be a package deal. And now we're waiting on Newmark. Did he look at this and go, I don't need.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let me go interview somewhere, El, and just see if it's a little bit better.

[Alan Hahn]

I got Woody on one shoulder, I got Parcells on another shoulder. And you know, where's Mike Tannenbaum? Is he under the table? Like, what's going on here?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why not bring.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, I love Mike. You know what, why don't he be the general manager?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'd love to see that.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, he did not fail here, he didn't win here, but he had success here. Stop with the advising. He's a really good talk show host. But why doesn't he become the general manager?

[Peter Rosenberg]

We should ask him.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, let's get him on.

[Alan Hahn]

Why is he done? He's still a young man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, we should get him on 800 now at 93776. In the meantime, let's get Ira in Staten island on for this.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I want to know his opinion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ira, how are we feeling now? How we feeling today about all this?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey, Alan. Hey, Don. I'm thrilled about it. And listen, there's no guarantees. Done. I understand you're hesitant about this whole situation. First time head coach, I get it. But I can only go back from whenever I was around Glenn when he was a player. I know people with the lions parcel is 100% right. This guy is going to come in here and these players are going to be in for a shock. He's going to. Everybody's going to have to be accountable. They're going to work hard. There's going to be no BS and we'll see how the quarterback situation plays out. I think you're both aware how I want to go, but we'll see how it goes. But as a staff, I love the people that he's talking to. The names that you hear. Wilkes. Okay, I could, I could go with it. An experienced guy hopefully does the same thing on the offensive side of the ball. I don't have a problem with Brunel gets the job strictly because he played the position.

[Alan Hahn]

I would like that higher a lot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I wouldn't expect him. I'd be surprised.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Well, we'll see. He's a quarterbacks coach. But the greatest thing about this thing is that if this works, Glenn, the last time Glenn was here, this, this organization was respectable. They were playing winning football. They were competitive every year. What was the last time you could say that about the Jets? I mean, Rex did. He had his two year run. I get it. But really the most consistent coach in the last 20 years, approximately has been Herm. He made the playoffs three out of five years. The two years he didn't. The quarterback, he had no quarterbacks that both got hurt. So I once again, I look at Glenn very much characteristic wise like a Herman Edwards, and I don't Glenn's going to take any nonsense and these players are in for a shock and I can't wait for this to get started. Once again, you can't predict it. Let's see how it works.

[Alan Hahn]

I just hope that, that Woody lets him be himself. That's what I really hope. Because is Woody going to allow him to just, you know, hey, these player. I'm not going to take it and. But if Woody says, hey, calm down, I'm paying that guy a lot of money. I want him on my team. That's the thing, you know, the whole. Again, I'm aging myself. But, you know, Bart Starr became the head coach of the Packers. Didn't go well. It's Bart Starr. Okay. Like, just because you won here and just because it was respectable when you played here again, I like the hire. All right. I think he's done a lot of work. He did a good job in Detroit. Yes, things fell apart this year with their defense, but it was because everybody was really banged up. I'm sure that had a lot to do with the fact that there were 12 men on the field. You had a lot of inexperienced guys on that field that day. So I like a lot about him, but I'm sorry, Robert. Solid, no gas, no all gas, no break. Right. You saw him running up and down the sidelines. You know, he was into it, chest bumping with the players. Remember when he was in San Francisco.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Fun as a D.C. you know, and.

[Alan Hahn]

Then all of a sudden, he's like a deer in the headlights in the sidelines because it's. Oh, God. This is not. This is not a D.C. this is not a defensive quarter. That's. That's what I'm saying. So I need to see it. I guess overall, it's just like whether you love it or whether you hate it, you're both full of BS because we don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I get what you're saying. I do meet in Pumped and meat.

[Alan Hahn]

Now I watch Porky's and I know what meat means. So go ahead. I'm very proud of you.

[I]

What's up, boys? Don. I used to call the K show here and there. You guys invited me up on the stage at the Palladium in New York City. A couple years ago, Michael signed my brother's head. I will never forget.

[Matt]

So we were trying to get him.

[I]

To tattoo it on there, but we'll have to do that again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That would be no guts.

[I]

I don't understand the hate. The people who could root for the jets and not want Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback. I don't get why he gets blamed for the dysfunctionality of the jets. I'm 36 years old. I've never seen this team competent in my life. The best we had was we were run by a defense and running under Mark Sanchez to get quarterback where someone can complete a pass. Any Jet fan should be thrilled with that. I don't understand the visceral hate against him. He got better throughout the year. Everyone wants to blame his age. Justin Herbert had a couple bad games. Is it his age or is he just not as good as other people think? I don't understand where this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let me ask you this though, like when you say the hate, is this like people you talk to? Because I really haven't gotten a lot of visceral response to Rogers from a lot of fans. A lot of them it's just sort of the concern about like there's no long term solution here and you know, like was the last. It was the end of the season an aberration because let's not forget what the offense looked like in the first month and a half of the season. You know, he didn't look great, the offense looked terrible. You know, there's a lot of reality that you have to face here.

[I]

Yeah, maybe I'm hearing it wrong on the radio. I feel like people call it and still hate him.

[Alan Hahn]

I feel like that nobody. He.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sean said he doesn't hate. He said he likes him, he respects him as a player, but he just feels like in this situation it's just, it's. You got to move on. You have a new head coach.

[I]

Who are you going to?

[Alan Hahn]

Everyone we've gone through with.

[I]

What are you going to get Derek Carr or do they wish me?

[Alan Hahn]

No, that's the thing. Honestly, meet the way I look at.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It, that's the right thing.

[Alan Hahn]

Forget about the dysfunction in the room and all. I really do believe Aaron Rodgers, this is going to be his last year if he decides to come back. Yes, it's a new regime, it's a talented. I would think he's going to be on his best behavior. My thing is can you do better? If you can find a better quarterback, by all means do it. But if you can't, then I stay in the Aaron Rodgers business. And if I'm Aaron Glenn, I want to keep Rogers because I think that gives me the best chance to win immediately.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Then we got to sit down and have a conversation, right? That's also important. I'm the head coach. Let's go sit down and have a conversation. Let's get on the same page and we go Forward from there. 800-919-3776. We'll go forward from here with you. More of your calls coming up. Many more topics to discuss, including I'm going to play audio that's going to set Don legreca off. We might get a rant today. Stay tuned. Don Han Rosenberg throughout the entire NFL.

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[Mike Westhoff]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Mike Westhoff]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do we got a reason for this? Jake? No reason at all.

[Alan Hahn]

I like it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't mind it at all. I just thought maybe there was something.

[Alan Hahn]

The feeling this today Jake Fox had a show. I don't know if it's still on, but it ran during the summer. We are family.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

And they would have somebody that was in the sphere. You didn't know who it was. And one of their relatives would come out and sing a song with them. You had to try to guess who was. Yeah, I know he's and they little hints and all that. And for whatever reason, my daughter fell in love with the Peter Frampton episode.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

And so she watches it all the Time, like on her computer. And like, she knows it backwards and forwards. And it's like, you know, Peter Frampton is. Unfortunately, he's got a really bad disease, like his legs. He's got to sit down to perform now. And I think he's like semi retired, but he's been around forever. Like, Frampton Comes alive was like mid-70s. I mean, so it's a long time ago. But she's like digging the music. And the song that they performed, that he performed with his son was Black Hole sun by Soundgard.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Which was amazing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God.

[Alan Hahn]

So my. So it just. It was really cool that now she likes that song and I like that song Go Connection. But yeah, it's like. So there was like little. Little hints of who it was. And it was Peter Frampton. It was a pretty cool show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, I said this with Bart one time that the 70s were probably one of the worst times in human history because our fashion was terrible. Like, everything that we did right. Our hygiene was awful. Like, everything was bad. You'd be hard pressed to find attractive people in the 70s. Really. You'd have to really work hard. Yet the music has become such a foundation of future music. It's incredible. Do you agree? It was an incredible era for fashion.

[Alan Hahn]

Was worse in the 80s.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you're out of your mind.

[Alan Hahn]

Nobody is. Because you can come out of your mind. You know what you will see? Like, you might see people where bell bottoms.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They keep trying to bring bell bottoms back. And nobody.

[Alan Hahn]

But nobody's bringing parachute pants.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hell yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, wait, wait. What do you think joggers are?

[Alan Hahn]

I know it's just a new rendition, but I had a top five during the pandemic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, let's hear it.

[Alan Hahn]

Of songs that sound better live than in studio. Oh, I like that. Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I like that.

[Alan Hahn]

And one of them was just off the Frampton Comes Alive. Show me the way. Like, if you hear the studio version, it's like a completely different song. Because every time you hear anything from Frampton, it's off of Frampton Comes Alive. And it's live.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's live, right?

[Alan Hahn]

So that was one. Another one. Was any song by Kiss really? So if it's Kiss alive. Kiss alive, too. Like, if you hear any of the studio stuff back in the day, it's like, awful. What else do you remember? What number? You don't remember? Number one for me was. Was Cheap Trick. I want you to want me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. Have you ever heard of. I don't even know.

[Alan Hahn]

There was a studio version during a Break. Do me a favor.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Studio version.

[Alan Hahn]

Find the studio version of I want you to want me and find. We'll play it for. We'll. Well, we can play it on the air if you want. Play it during the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You.

[Alan Hahn]

You've never hear it because it's. God. All completely different experience.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

And then there's the. The Billy Joel song. There's a Billy Joel song that was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

From his first album, Miami 2017.

[Alan Hahn]

Didn't do any.

[Peter Rosenberg]

First album.

[Alan Hahn]

Didn't do anything. And then he re. Released it in. In Songs from the Attic. So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I forget which one is McCartney on there.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh. And maybe I'm amazed. Absolutely. Because the wing version is better than his solo studio version.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Those were the five. You nailed it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can I add one?

[Alan Hahn]

Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hotel California.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I don't mind. Listen, I love the studio.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. But the live. The live.

[Alan Hahn]

They got the guitar solo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guitar solo.

[Alan Hahn]

Real. What's up? The Billy Joel song. It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not Miami 2017.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no. It's. It's not. She's only a woman. It's one of those. It's. You've never heard the studio version. It always live.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know, though. I know the song you talk about and I can't. It's.

[Alan Hahn]

It's somebody on Twitter. I don't know if you found it, Jake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We will.

[Alan Hahn]

YouTube may not even have it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

We did that already, didn't we?

[Peter Rosenberg]

4.

[Alan Hahn]

So he can handle it. He can stare at me.

[Griffin]

I can't see in there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's so dark. We like it this way. This is mellow. This is chill mode, right? We don't need all these.

[Alan Hahn]

How about this? It'll be a little less, but. Because Bill Barcelo's first Super bowl. Super Bowl 21.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I like it.

[Alan Hahn]

How about that?

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[Alan Hahn]

The song is she's got Away.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And I would venture to say you've never Heard the studio version they never play. Yeah, that's always the live version.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a good point. And it's so good too, because that.

[Alan Hahn]

Was on the chart. It actually got to number 23 on the. On the top 40. Because it was released on Songs in the Attic. I believe it was on his first album and did nothing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. You ever played for your wife? Played for your wife, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Play what? She can play her own music. What am I doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You wouldn't want to play a song for her? I do that for Stephanie. No, I wouldn't. Like your home. You just put on a song.

[Alan Hahn]

It's like, no, we don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't do that.

[Alan Hahn]

It won't make me a bad husband. It's like, you know, she wants a song she can play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll randomly just.

[Alan Hahn]

If I had a guitar and I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, here, Alexa, play She's Got Away by Billy Joel. Then I'll have it on the Sonos in the house. And then there it is. And then I'll just. Wherever she is, she's working in her office. I'll just walk into her office like, what's up?

[Alan Hahn]

Little afternoon delight?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what I mean? Don, come on. You gotta be. You gotta put some romance in there.

[Alan Hahn]

I got seven year old twins. The romance is dead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it isn't.

[Alan Hahn]

The romance is back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're working on this. Nancy, I got your back. Don't worry about this coming up.

[Alan Hahn]

That's. I think she.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Apparently she needs some help here. Romance is dead. We're gonna help you out. Can't wait for Valentine's Day, man. I'm telling you right now, you're gonna be a Casanova.

[Mike Westhoff]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.

[Mike Westhoff]

Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.