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I'll be honest, the one thing I miss about having an office is the taste of Steve Hart's nuts.
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This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.
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This is Don Hahn and Rosenberg.
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The best threesome I've ever heard on ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube 300 one of the big city. Don Hahn and Rosenberg on a Friday. Getting you ready for a weekend like you read about. Lots of sports, great weather. Alan, Han's not with us today. He's with his daughter who's just like tearing it up on the ice. Already has a hat trick.
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What?
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Oh, yeah, Carly. She's. Who's Carly? What do I say? Carly.
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Yeah.
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Cali. Kaylee.
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Cali.
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Cali. You think I know Cali? That's Kay's daughter's name, right? Cali's lighting it up. She's already got a hat trick. He's gonna join us at 5 to talk some Knicks. Kay's gonna join us at 4 to talk some Yankees and Mets. And we've got fraud alert Friday.
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We should talk to both of them on how they both landed with the name Cali for their daughter.
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Well, we know that K's daughter Cali is short for Caledonia, which is judging by the spelling, Of Cali for Allen. That's not the case. I think that's legit name. It's not short for anything.
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Oh, you think her name's just Callie, huh?
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Well, what do you think?
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Well, I know it's not Caledonia, because who does that except Michael and Jody?
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If the spelling is C A, L, L, Y, you would think it's short for something.
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No, I don't think it's ever C A, L, L, Y.
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It could be.
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I don't think so.
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Pretty sure it's not.
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But if it's C A, L, L,
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I, E, I think it's always C, A, L, L, I.
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Well, either way, it's still no, but it's still. It's. It's. It's Yankeeizing the cow. You know, how the Yankees. Everybody. You know, it's judgy. It's. It's all. It's. Everybody's.
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So you think her name's Cal, but they what, they go Boone, and
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it's female, so Cali just makes sense. Say Cal. If it was a boy, you'd say Cal Girl. Cali. But Allen's daughter's name is spelled C A, L, E, I, G, H. Oh, it is. Which tells me that's her name, right?
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That's got to be it.
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Yeah. So, listen, I'm the dumbest on the show for sure, but sometimes a blind squirrel finds a knock. And in this case, I have to
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admit, I didn't realize that her.
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That their.
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That. That Allen and Stephanie's Cali is spelled like Cal. Raleigh.
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Right.
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Didn't realize that.
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And I didn't realize it either till I looked at the text today. It reminded me.
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All right, so it's not my fault.
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It's your fault for not reading the text.
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I saw the video. I just. I just saw there were videos in there, and I jumped to the videos.
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Well, you're a very busy man, so the fact that you gave it a glance.
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Oh, there it is. Cali has two goals. Well, this is my building. Any.
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Denny tweeted an emoji of a top hat, so I'm assuming she now has a hat trick, right?
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Let me see. I'm looking right now.
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It said video of the two goals, and then in the next text, it was a top hat, so I'm assuming there was a third.
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By the way, this looks too easy for her.
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Yeah, she's definitely playing at a different level than everybody else, so I think the PWHL is definitely in her future. Now. I didn't bring this up during the meeting, Peter. But I know you're going to be on board with this.
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You don't know.
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All right. No. It just occurred to me after we disconnected with our meeting and then connected for the show.
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Okay.
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To me, we have a very interesting situation with the Knicks. I agree. Where they might play Sunday. Game one at the Garden versus the Caps. Excellent possibility of that because the Cavs played tonight at home and they haven't lost at home the entire playoffs win. They're in the conference finals. They're going to be taken on the Knicks on Sunday at the Garden. If we knew for a fact that game was Sunday, you can make the case. It's our open. Even with Yankees and Mets in the Subway series, we'd be really diving into game one Sunday because it would be our only chance to preview it. Because we're not on tomorrow or Sunday going into the game.
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Right.
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But we don't know for a fact that that's going to happen because the Pistons could get off the mat. They came back from 31 down against Orlando. So there may not be a game on Sunday. So we're going to talk Knicks, but it's not exactly like have to talk Knicks cabs. Because we could talk Knicks cabs for four hours and then they end up not playing each other. It's kind of weird. You've also got, as I mentioned, the Subway series, which is not nothing. Mets have won three in a row. Yankees have dropped five or six. Excellent pitching matchup tonight at Citi Field as Schlitler is going to go up against Holmes and all the pomp and circumstance that surrounds that every year. And then you've got the schedule release in which the jets were as disrespected by the NFL. I can't even come up with a comp. They have no nationally televised games now. The rule changed last year. Unbeknownst to me, not everybody has to play in prime time anymore since Amazon came into the fold, Peter. That that rule has disappeared. I did not even realize that. I just assumed everybody played on Thursdays. That's not the case anymore. And if you take into account the west coast games the jets have where the games have to be played at 4 o', clock, every one of their games is a local one o' clock kickoff. Really every one of their games is locally will be one o'. Clock. The game they play in Arizona, that game has to be a 4 o' clock here in New York. But it'll be one o' clock in Arizona. And the game. Let's see. Trying to look at as I'm looking. And the Charger game has to be a 4 o' clock here in New York, but it's gonna be a 1 o' clock kickoff, obviously out in LA.
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That's a 405.
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Yep. Yes. By the way, 405 is basically Thursday. Jace. Right.
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By the way. That's right.
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Smells like a 405 is.
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You're not.
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You were not. You're getting on 425 now. The nick, the jets can get flexed to 425 as bad as they were last year. They got flexed to 425 against the Bills at the end of the season because it was important for the Bills. But have you ever seen that before?
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I'm looking right now because I almost don't believe you. Not Don, but did you say this too? And even the fours are only 405.
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Yeah, there's the. They're not getting a 425.
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It is all ones and fours. Wow.
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Every one of their games this year, all 17 of them are scheduled to be, I guess with the exception that we don't know what's going to happen with the Bills of the last game of the season. But all the games that have been given a time, every single one of them will kick off at 1:00'. Clock. Locally, meaning in the building that they're in, it'll be one o'.
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Clock.
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Right.
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So. So the NFL saying, I don't think this team's gonna be any good. We're not even going to give them an early Thursday game. Now, the reason for that is, is that even though I think they'll be better and I think there are reasons for Jet fans to have some optimism. If you don't have a quarterback to sell, Peter, in this league, what are you doing? Right? I mean, even last year, early in the season, Justin Fields could have been a thing. Could have. So. And again, you know, I don't think anybody necessarily cares. I think there's a lot of people that enjoy just having a game at 1 o'. Clock. There's not going to be many of them this year. Half of the 1 o' clocks will all be taken away by the nationally televised broadcasts that they're planting everywhere else. And the Giants have their schedule out and we can kind of go over that. So, Peter, I think that we can really, honestly, in this segment, touch on all of these things and then let the people. You know, what's floating your boat, man? What are you into? You Knicks, the possibility of Knicks, Cavs on Sunday, Mets, Yankees, where all of A sudden in. In really almost less than a week because the Mets dropped two out of three to Arizona last weekend.
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Yep.
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And it felt like, all right, you know, the Mets, they. They won a couple of series in a row. They give it right back in Arizona, and they're coming off a sweep of the Tigers, and now they're hot. And the Yankees, they get swept by Milwaukee last weekend and followed up by dropping two out of three to Baltimore and getting one hit in their last game. So you've got that on the table at Citi Field, where I think Met fans, even though they're not excited about a team that's seven games under.500, can get fired up that maybe they got some momentum here.
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Well, no matter. You cut it down. Winning three or four series, that's for a team that's been playing the way they have. Three or four series, including a sweep. Including within that sweep, 10 runs in one game, nine in another, and holding your opponents to a high of four runs in that series. It's a little something. It's a little mo.
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Yeah. And that's why this series, I think, as much as the Yankees have lost, obviously they've fallen behind the race in the division. The Yankees know they're going to the playoffs. Okay. Mets don't know if they're going to finish above.500 or even at.500 this year. This is a much bigger series for the Mets. They've got momentum, they've got home field, and they want to build off of what happened against Detroit. Dropping two out of three again. One step forward, two steps back. Win two out of three. With the Nationals coming up, you know, you feel like now maybe you can gain some traction there. You said it yesterday, take two out of three. Now you're six under. You know, take three out of four against Washington. Now you're starting out. Now you're five back under, six up, four under. And now you start to gain some momentum here. Losing this series is going to feel like you're right back to square one again. Lose a series, win a series, lose a series.
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That's not going to work.
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Yankees, they drop two out of three. All right, what are you going to do? We're on the road. We're not playing well right now. We'll be fine. The one thing I will say, Peter, is the pitching matchups favor the Yankees because as much as Holmes has been great, he's pitching to an under two earner on average. Cam has been even better, so. And then the Mets have not announced the starter for tomorrow's. Game because they, they have openers for Peterson now. So I think the reason they did that is they haven't figured out who's going to pitch the first couple of innings and then Peterson will come in and relief because that's the way it went down the last time he pitched. So I think it's going to be an opener in Peterson tomorrow and then Weathers versus Peralta where you can make the case that the matchup favors the Mets. But I still think this is bigger for the Mets than it is for the Yankees. Much bigger.
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I agree too. I mean, there's no question about it. It's the difference between we're start, we're officially doing something now and all right, the last couple, the last 10 days was an aberration. They are who we thought they were. Whereas, you know, listen, even if the Yankees were to be swept, it would certainly be all right, what the hell's going on here, but it would not be. We're not getting into next week and all of a sudden the discourse on the Yankees has completely changed. I mean, people be irritated. No question about it. People would be irritated.
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Oh yeah.
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But it doesn't completely change the tenor of the season. Whereas I think the Mets sweep the Yankees. It changes the tenor of what's going on for sure.
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Yeah. I mean there's legit excitement. Mets Sweep. They score 22 runs in three games. Ewing has been a big deal. There's nothing bigger in New York, Peter, and you've been here now two decades, so you can agree with this if it's a day than a young guy making an impact early in his career. You saw Linsanity with the Knicks. You know, you call somebody up and they get hot and with Ewing doing what he's doing. I remember 88 with Jeffries when he got called up like that. A young homegrown guy getting called up. Great story. That gets people going, that gets people excited. So Ewing's got the Mets excited. Mets dropped two out of three this weekend. It's. Let's just get back to the knicks, right?
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That's 100%.
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That's because if the Knicks play Sunday, it's going to be a 330 tip of the Garden against the Cavs.
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Like a dream.
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The Mets are going to be the 105 with 135 or whatever. So like if the Mets are on their way to a loss, that game is going to tip off. Sorry, let's just get back to the Knicks. Mets were a thing for like three minutes now we'll get back to the Knicks wherever the Mets take two out of three. Listen, it's still back to the Knicks. But, hey, let's keep an eye on these Mets. Let's see if they turn the corner. So that's why I think that's big. The Knicks is big because everything's breaking their way, Peter. So you kind of expect the Cavs to win tonight, right? They haven't lost at home all year, all postseason. They got a chance to finish off the Pistons and set up a possible Game one at the Garden on Sunday. With the Knicks having home court advantage with everything breaking their way, doesn't it feel like Cavs win tonight?
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No, no, it does. It's. Here's the thing. If Detroit ends up winning this game tonight and forcing a game seven, to me, it starts to make me think they're just like, this is just what they are. The Pistons are just a pesky team, Don. Who talk about wanting to play with their food. They just want to live life on the edge. If they end up having it forcing a game seven and winning in seven, you're telling me that two series in a row, this team that dominated the Eastern Conference this season needed seven games to deal with Orlando and Cleveland? To me, it says, this is just what they do. And maybe it's such an incredible difference in fortune if Detroit does that, Don. It almost scares me because you're like, wait a second. So this is just what they do. And you know what else they did this year? Just ragdolled the Knicks.
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Yeah, you know what? That's a great point. Because if the Pistons win this series, they'd be 5 and O in elimination games going into the conference final. That. That's got to build some character, right? That's gotta. That's gotta build some scar tissue up for you, right? That if you're 5 and O facing elimination, three straight wins against Orlando, that'd be two straight wins against the Cavs, all facing elimination. As much as you'd kind of poo poo their chances of making a run because they had to go seven games in the first two rounds, and the Knicks disposed of everybody that they faced after falling down 21 to Atlanta, there is something about being 5 and O facing elimination where makes you think, hey, maybe this Pistons team is a kind of team of destiny, right? They take longer to win a series, but they still could be dangerous. Because I feel the other way. Like, as much as I'm confident the Cavs win tonight, if they don't, I think the Pistons are winning the series. If the Pistons win in Cleveland, I don't think they're losing at home in game seven.
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No, honestly, Pistons win tonight. It's what I just said. They're just messing around, Don. That just means they like to have fun. You know, they're into the thrill of it. Like, I don't even know if it, if they were, if they were to win tonight and then win a game seven, you could argue. Yeah, it builds scar tissue and shows how tough they are, Don. Origin shows they don't even care. Like, that's when they start playing. That's, that's, that's who they are. So. But, but what a, what a difference it would make if it ends up being Cleveland with a. The fact that Detroit just dominated the season. And granted, this Knicks team that we've been watching the last three, four weeks is not the team we watch during the regular season get beat down by Detroit, but still, you have to feel significantly better to be taking on Cleveland and have home court advantage if you're a Knicks fan rather than get into a war without home court advantage against a team that you struggled with all season. Just tough.
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And, and the, and the other topic of conversation, we talked about the schedule, jets not having any nationally televised games, all of their games 1 o' clock. Locally, the Giants we knew opening day Dallas at the, at MetLife, followed by a game in Baltimore on primetime catching the Rams coming back from Australia without a buy. Now, it'll be, it'll be a de facto buy because of the fact that they played Wednesday and then the following Monday. So they will get a significant amount of time off, but technically will not be a buy. That's a beast to start the season now, the giants, historically, Owen two is almost a lockdown. They go 02, they're done. They win, they go two. And oh, they could be a machine. So if life tells you they're probably going to go one on one. But Peter, with home games against Tennessee and Arizona following the Baltimore game at Commander's home, against the Saints at Houston going into their bye, do you think the season is salvageable? Forget the math, just your feel. If the Giants lose the first two games, does the schedule allow them to still save their season?
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Oh, boy, we're doing that. We're being these guys.
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Yes, we are.
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Yeah, we have.
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I want to be bold here. It's the open. I told you I wanted to do all three. Which one gains the most traction?
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And we can talk to you about all of it at 1-800-919. There you go, so they lose. They lose at Dallas. Home against Dallas. Yeah, on the table. Then they lose at the Rams. On the table. Dude, I don't have any. They could run off the next five.
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I think they could. I'm a Peter. They can still win seven or eight games this season. Even if they go seven or eight.
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Anthony, they could win seven or eight by Thanksgiving. I mean Tennessee. I'm sorry, we don't know what Tennessee is.
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You know, I'm slightly more pessimistic than you.
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No, I know. And this actually shocks me with Anthony just said.
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Yeah, but look at the next chunk. Tennessee, Arizona, Washington. God bless. God bless New Orleans. And at Houston, you essentially don't know who any of those teams are except Houston. Right. I mean we, we pretty much know. It seems this version of the Houston Texans you can, you can basically Write down for 10 and 7, 11 and 6. There'll be a pretty good football team. But I don't know what Washington is. I assume Arizona will stink. Is Ward going to come along for Tennessee? Is New Orleans taking the next.
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I don't know, Arizona's dogs in all their games to your point, Peter.
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So I see no reason why they can't go four and one over their next five and then they're four and three, seven games in. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not investing. I hate to do this, but I can't overly invest into weeks one and two when you're playing Dallas and the Rams.
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I know everything that you're saying is completely factual.
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Thank you.
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Realistic and a very normal sense of realistic football. But as a giant fan, Owen2just is so friggin familiar with all these. With the exception of Dable where they got out of the box hot that year. It's like giants. Owen 2. Again, I will say this. I agree with you. I think the schedule could allow them to all of a sudden be two and two, get hot again and be playing the meaningful games late in the season, which is what you're looking for. I know everybody's hyped for playoffs. I just want some meaningful games in December. I don't want the season to be over in before Halloween. But, but that Tennessee game. Can we agree all of a sudden week three, brand new coach becomes a must win because oh and three, they'd be dead. I don't care about the schedule. If you go 02 and lose to set Tennessee at home week three, you're done. You're cooked. So you at least have to give me that. That would be a must win. Situation a week.
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Anthony, can we do that guy Thursday early? Because I mean Don is that guy right now. He just wants to know how early can he officially cook the Giants season?
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I'm being serious.
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Look, Jake, the show before us on the Michael K show, Jake Asmon says it's a must win for the Giants jets against the Titans in week one. So the Titans, Titans are. Must win forever.
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New York.
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Come on. You're going to compare me to that hack take? I'm sorry, I love them, but come on, man. Clickbait.
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No, Don, Don, all you did was add a second week and ask the same question.
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No, I didn't. No, I didn't. I'm talking about a team that routinely has started 02. It's almost like a given. It's like a rite of passage. Giants 02 to start the season and then you're going to be good. Now you lose to 10.
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Come on.
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You don't think the wheels will be completely off if they're home against Tennessee 02 and they lose to the 03.
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I will give you this. Oh, and three after a loss to Tennessee is. Oh, God. There's no question. There is no question. And then if you want my boring, not a good sports talk radio host take if you want the real must win done, it would be 03 home against Arizona. That is your season on the line. Write it down.
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Down.
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Anthony, are you with me or not? That.
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Yeah, no, that's.
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That's a boring take, but that's the realistic take. Oh, and three, home against Arizona. You absolutely have to win.
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I almost say I don't care what it looks like or how it, how you get there. You have to be two and two coming out of the first four weeks.
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Well, the thing is though, I just want to be fair with you guys. They're playing at least two good teams in that first four. At least two. And we don't know. Tennessee may be all right this year. Well, I think we all agree Arizona will stink because it's. We're still living in America in the year 2026 of our Lord. Yes, but Tennessee, maybe the quarterback takes a step forward and they're a better team. But we all agree. I think Dallas should be pretty good. We have every reason to think the Rams will be very good. That's not, that's not a super easy first four games. I think that the stretch of the next four is where you probably do a little better up until you get to that rung post bye week 6
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weeks post by are not pleasant.
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No Then it's, Then it's Philly, Washington, Jacksonville, Indianapolis, San Francisco, Seattle. That's a nasty stretch in the middle. It's all about what is your record going into the buy. Because out of that buy they run the gauntlet basically the rest of the year from after the buy.
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Well, I. And Jake is listening and I knew he would be listening and I'm no hack. We love you, we love you. But must win week one, that's a little much. Must win Week three after starting Owen and losing to the Titans at home. I'm sorry. That's a must win. That's. That to me is a must win.
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I still think it's a Chatterley. Week one, I've never heard before. Week one, Must win, never heard Week three, still very early. I think Week four we're having a conversation. I got to look at the jets when we come back. Yes, I'd like to look at the Jet side of things. I'm not going to agree with Jake's take that it's week one, but we will break down the first quarter of the season and see what it actually looks like for the jets.
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You know, but the thing is, it's Owen 3 and you say done but you don't mean done done unless they get it together. The Mets were done. Now they're not so done.
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Peter. I know.
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Oh, and Ford, admit it. I'm right. The next week, 04 after a home loss to Arizona, that's done. Come on. Okay, just hear me out. They go 03. Oh my God, it's a nightmare. They beat Arizona by 10 at home. Then they go win by a Field goal at Washington and they're at 2, 3 with a home game coming up against New Orleans, that's on the table. Whereas if you drop the Arizona game, even if you go win at Washington and it's to get to 1 and 4. So do you see what I'm saying?
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But you're doing the math without feel like it's also how it looks. All right, I agree with you. They lose it overtime to the Cowboys, hard fought win against the Rams, but you know, the Rams find a way to get a last second field goal. Giants play great, but lose to teams that, let's face it, you wouldn't be shocked if we're better than the Giants. Then you go into Tennessee and Dart can't play because he suffered a concussion at the end of the Ram game. Yeah, that's a different story. Right. Because there are circumstances why you're where you are, injuries, bad breaks, maybe a bad call from the official if you get the chalks, the chocolate soft serve game like you did a couple of years ago on opening day against Dallas, lose 40 to nothing, get crushed by the Rams.
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Damn right.
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The game against Tennessee is going to be must win.
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Damn right.
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So I think that there are different scenarios of what it looks like. But Owen 2 again, despite the new coach and who John Harbaugh is, would really put I think a big time feel into that game against Tennessee. If you want to say must win, whatever the semantics of. Well, it's not really. And give me scenarios where they can get back into it. It's going to be a tension convention going into that game against Tennessee. If they're owing to.
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I hear you, I hear you. I'm pushing back. I'm being captain. Literal man on Must win though, to me and to me. Oh, and three is a scary place to start, but I still can't call a week three, hey, must win.
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I got to be honest, I always felt this and you might disagree when you, when you, when your father's name is on the football, you got a major say about what goes on around the NFL. And I take a look at home against Dallas at the Rams and then I look at home against Tennessee, home against Arizona. The NFL did the Giants a favor. We're going to give you two tough primetime games out of the box. Here's a couple of cookies for you. Tell me I'm wrong.
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It feels like it.
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I believe they also said that on both. Peter, you'd be able to correct me on this. Both of those weeks are Jewish holidays and John Mara tries to persuade the NFL whenever possible to allow it not to coincide with the holiday so that everybody could get to the game.
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I do recall that, which is interesting to me because even though I know there's a significant Jewish population in New York, I still wonder how many of the season ticket holders that is.
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But that does speak to Don's point of if the name's on the football and the NFL is trying to do favors, if John Maris is, hey, can you not put these games on when a lot of my season ticket holders can't be there?
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Give me the Jabroni games then you've
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got those two on the first two weeks.
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Let me just say this, and I have no inside information. Woody Johnson's call goes to voicemail. Goodell picks up Maris call. Oh yeah, all right, so. And I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I just, I think that's just the way the cookie crumbles when it comes to comes to that. But certainly two very difficult games out of the box. So it should be fun. Nick certainly on the table too. So we've got three really big topics to discuss and we're going to be treating them all equally as we'll get to K at 4 o'.
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Clock.
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He was not on today but he'll have his say. He doesn't have a game until Sunday.
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You know what they say about K when you get K on a day. I have just maybe when he's not on the air. Oh, it's like you dream about.
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I mean your name's Ray, come to live by a bay.
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I just may.
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He'll be coming up before let's go to Ethan in the car. You're on ESPN New York. What's up man?
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Hey guys. Love the show as always. Thank you for everything. Don, earlier you were talking about things breaking perfectly for the Knicks.
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Yes.
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I can't help but look at the schedule that was released and if I'm thinking about what is a perfect break, I think the Cavs winning on Sunday is the perfection because then you get a tired team for game one on Tuesday home court and then if you paid attention to the release of the schedule, if the series starts on Sunday, there's like a three or four day break between games two and three. If a tired Cavs team comes to New York and they get two to three days off, they then are going back home, they've got some rest, we've got some evenness to this series but instead if they're coming here and then it's every other day from the start of the series to the end of the series. I think that's looking very pretty for the Knicks.
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Yeah. You know, and. And I might be. And this could be dead wrong, and I'm not trying to be that guy, but I just feel like, is this stuff that we really need against the Cavs now? Maybe you feel differently about the Cavs if they win this series, but am I wrong again? I'm not looking past any opponent. I don't think you're right, but I don't really. I wouldn't look at the Cavs winning tonight as a bad break. I understand it's probably better off for them to win in Game 7, but here's the danger. Not that you should be scared of the Pistons. If there's a game seven, that means the Pistons can win, Wouldn't you want the assured Cavs opponent by having them win tonight and not mess with a Game 7 home court advantage and have to play a better team?
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I mean, I hear you, but the Detroit team that we've been seeing in the playoffs isn't the same team that we played in the regular season, let alone the Knicks.
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No, but. But you would have to admit it's
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hard for me to give Ethan.
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You would have to admit, though, I'm not saying you're losing to either one. I think you're beating both of them. I think you're right. But I think the Pistons would be a tougher out than Cleveland. You'd have to beat them there, and I think they're a better team.
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You don't agree with that stat about losing game one on the road? I fully agree with you 110%. My only thought is that if we have the Cavs and we start on Tuesday, this could be over in four or five.
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It could be. And I appreciate the phone call, but you hear what I'm saying, Peter, Is that again, I'm not scared of anybody, but I'd rather play the Cavs. I rather have home court advantage.
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D
Yep.
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So why not just have the Cavs win tonight? Why mess with a possible game 7? I understand everything that he's saying, but now it's on the table that the Pistons win Game 7, which would mean that they would, you know, face elimination twice and win 5 and O facing elimination. And then you would forfeit home court again. Not that you wouldn't be able to beat the Pistons, but isn't the better scenario Cavs at home, regardless of the rest situation?
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I think so. I think no matter how you cut it, no matter how you cut this pie. Cavs home court advantage is what you want. Now do I like the idea of you max it out to seven games but Cleveland wins? You get the max rest. They had to play another an extra game. Don. I think that probably is your ideal scenario. You catch Cleveland at home for Game 1 on Tuesday after they wrapped up a seventh game on the road on Sunday. That is your best case scenario.
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That is a best case scenario. But you are running the risk of it not happening now at all. And now Tuesday you're going to Detroit again. Not that that's the end of the world, but I think I'd rather be home against the Cavs. And why take the chance of now A Pistons Team 5 and O facing elimination winning a big game? Listen, it's foul. I think they're winning either way. But if you want the Cavs and why wouldn't you then just get it over with tonight? I wouldn't worry about rest. I think you're beating either team. But I don't want to lose home court advantage. Why don't allow that home court in the conference final Madison Square Garden Game 1. Now you had it last year and you blew it. But this is a different team.
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B
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Catch the show on demand whenever you want.
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B
Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
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A
I feel so good about the Knicks beating the Cavs. Okay, but should I feel differently if the Cavs win tonight, get to the conference finals on a four game winning streak? Again, not fearing the Cavs per se. But does their image as losers, as chokers, as fugazi, go away if they win four straight and get to the conference finals?
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B
Wait.
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You look at the Cavaliers as a fraud team? I do. I look at Harden as a fraud star. I don't fear the Cavaliers. There were one seed last year. They were beat up. They exited early. The Cavs without LeBron James have been a nothing burger for their entire history. And I think that's how we judge them. We look at the Pistons as an up and comer, right? That might be dangerous down the road, but maybe not quite ready to win a championship. We look at the Cavaliers as a team that's a fraud. But should we reevaluate that if they win four straight and get to the third round?
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It's a very interesting, provocative question. It's what makes you the great that you are? Well, I just don't have my mind made up that like Detroit's the real deal and Cleveland's not. I think they're both. I think they're both pretty good basketball teams that the Knicks should beat.
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You're probably right. But. But I think. I think you're in the minority of people that look at the Cavaliers as like anything other than just another team where the Pistons could be dangerous. Based on what they did against the Knicks during the regular season, they seem like they're up and comers. They seem to have learned from what happened last year. I don't fear either of them. But I do think people disregard Cleveland as any kind of a threat. Should that be reevaluated if they make it to the conference final and come back from two nothing down.
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I just think realistically, when you get to the point now where a team has won two series against pretty good other basketball teams, the playoff teams, you have to assume that you're playing a team that's serious. I mean, like, listen, even though it's only halfway there, you make it to a third playoff series. You're a pretty good basketball team and need to be taken seriously, especially by a team who's never done it before.
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But it just. It's interesting that when we evaluated the east, we completely disregarded the Cleveland Cavaliers as a threat. Even though they won the conference last year. It was all the Knicks got an easy path to the final. No Halliburton in Indianapolis. There's no Tatum in Boston. There was no thought of. Well, the Cavs, they're healthy. They got hardened. Why are they a threat? Not even talked about. Not even discussed the whole journey through the regular season. All right, how they patent Pistons could be a problem. They got beat up. Can they beat Boston for a second straight year in the postseason? Never a thought about the Cavaliers. And now it might be the Cavaliers.
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Right?
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So I just find that interesting, and it's eerily similar last year. Nobody's talking about the Pacers. Pacers weren't a conversation. It was Boston. Get by Boston, you go into the finals. Oh, Indianapolis, okay.
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And the Pacers, guess what? They didn't just make it there. They were within a game, maybe a Halliburton injury away from winning the championship over a team. Over a team that we consider to be a dominant, potentially a team on the precipice of dynasty. And yet we were one quarter into a Game 7 when Indianapolis lost their best player against that team.
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And so what I'm asking you is, could the Cavaliers be this year's version of the Pacers, a team that nobody paid any mind to, and then all of a sudden, they're a thing?
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Yes. Short answer is yes. Any team that gets there, Don. I mean, I know it's super generic, but if you made it this far, you're someone you have to worry about. If they were able. If this series only goes one or two ways for Cleveland, it's either they beat Detroit 4, 2 or they got pushed to 7 and still beat Detroit. So I just think no matter how you cut it, they're a team that you have to deal with and a pretty real team.
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Let's go to Raul in the car. You're on espn, New York.
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Hey, Don.
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Hey, Peter.
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How are you guys?
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Good. What do you got?
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D
I have a question. Fraud Friday on the the Detroit game, Eminem was sitting Courtside with with 50 Cent.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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Detroit gear on. Yep. Are we going to call fraud on that? Peter should not even entertain that.
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Or should we just leave it alone?
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There's not. It's not even worth entertaining. 50 is a fraud. If 50 were the only reason, I'll say this, in 50s defense, the only thing that can defend him from being a fraud is I doubt he would even claim to be a fan.
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But why put the gear on?
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So.
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So if.
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If the Knicks play Detroit and they played in Detroit, is he going to wear Detroit gear on or is going to Nick year?
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Probably nick gear because I think he's the penny crone of the NBA, of the hip hop.
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I think. Listen, he was invited. Here's what I'll say. He was invited to a Piston game by Eminem and Paul Rosenberg, who are two Detroit guys, right? He sat with them at courtside, probably given the merch. And he wasn't wearing. It was just a hat.
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If anything.
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It wasn't. He was. He was wearing a weird sweatshirt.
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So he didn't stand online to buy the ha. It was probably handed to him.
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And I think it literally may have just said Detroit on it. Not even Pistons. So I can't really take issue if your other rich friends invite you to sit courtside in their city that they're the representatives of and they're not playing your team. I take no issue with you going and cheering on that team. However, if a week later they play your team, you can no longer now claim to be the biggest fan of your team. That right? But I don't think he would. I don't think 50 would even pretend to be.
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See, that's the thing. We've got to get our fraudler. Friday is a fun thing and all that, but we also got to realize that people don't fan the same way. People don't look at things the way we look at things as sports fans. Like, I don't even know if this is a comp, but hear me out, okay? Drake's got a rivalry with Kendrick, right? That is a big thing. And in the hip hop world, you're probably going to pick one or the other, right?
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And I think the average person likes both, but some people pick one or another. Yes.
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And you know, and. But let's just say you're. You're not really. You're me, all right? I'm not. I'm not a hip hop guy. And I say, I say to you, Peter, you know what? I've listened to both and I think I like Drake more. I think I'm a Drake fan. And then Kendrick Lamar invites me to his concert and I go and throw a T shirt on because somebody gave it to me, and I go, enjoy the show. Okay? The hip hop world will look at Me as a fraud. Wait, he said he was a Drake fan. He's at a Kendrick show wearing a T shirt. Meanwhile, I probably would totally do that because I'm not that much of a hip hop fan. And if I got invited to a Kendrick show and somebody handed me a shirt, guess what? I probably would throw it on. That's how he looks at it with sports. He's not a die hard fan. He's going with his buddy Eminem to a Pistons game. Somebody gives him a hat, he puts it on. He doesn't even know the rules, I think.
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And that's another thing about fraud. It's the only reason to really call fraud is if someone's purporting themselves to be a big fan. You know, it's exactly like, for example, Natalie will basically root for the Mets or the Yankees. I sure, you can call her a fraud if you want, but at no point does she claim to be someone who cares much either way. She just, I, I'm from New York. If someone invites me to one, I'll go to that. I've got. Sure. Now, if one day you want to turn around and be screaming in someone's face and going, I'm as big a Mets fan as you can find, well, now you've entered fraud.
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But that's not anything but like, so fraud.
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Fraud isn't about being a casual. Fraud is about pretending to be a fanatic. That's the thing. Don has no problem with casuals being casual.
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Yeah, just be casual.
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But if you're a fanatic, the fraudulence would be me saying, you know, Don, I was thinking, commander Stink this year. I just, I'm going to pull for the Jets. I think it'll be great. I mean, I'd not only be a fraud, I'd be crazy.
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Anthony Text me. During this segment, when I brought up the analogy about going to the Kendrick show, Anthony Text says, former K show co host goes to Kendrick Lamar concert
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and Jacob had it in and it wasn't Peter.
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That's right. Yeah. Everybody would assume it was you.
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And it was like, no, you gotta read the article though. It's a different case. Show co host.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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