Hour 1: Jets Big Deadline

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg: Hour 1 - “Jets Big Deadline”

Date: November 4, 2025
Podcast: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – ESPN New York
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg

Main Theme

This hour delves into the New York Jets’ monumental moves at the NFL trade deadline: a full-scale teardown involving the trades of core players for future draft picks. The hosts and callers debate whether this signals progress or more of the same perennial hope and disappointment for fans, focusing on the abilities and intentions of new GM Darren Muji and the philosophical crossroads the franchise once again faces.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Jets "Blow It Up": Reactions to the Trade Deadline Moves

• Jets trade stars (notably Sauce Gardner to Indianapolis and Quinnen Williams to Dallas) for a bevy of draft picks:

  • 2026: 2 first-round, 2 second-round picks
  • 2027: 3 first-round picks

• Consensus: Necessary step, but offers only the “currency of hope.”

  [00:30] Don Hahn:
  “They're blowing it up. And you know what? If you're a Jet fan, you got to be loving this ... this is the first time, for me anyway, where I feel like they might have gotten it right with Muji ... This is what bad football teams do when they have so many missing pieces. They take the things they have and try to trade it for something better.”

• Emphasis on moving valuable assets that couldn’t deliver wins, repositioning for a new future.

2. Skepticism and Caution: Is This the Same Old Jets?

• Alan Hahn provides a measured counterpoint—praises the haul but warns of “scar tissue” from years of disappointment.

  [03:22] Alan Hahn:
  “This is the easy part. Getting good deals, it's easy to sell. It's what you do next ... Draft picks ... are the currency of hope ... But it still has to do that. We have seen this before ...”

• Both hosts and callers discuss the historic inability of the Jets to convert picks into wins, regardless of management regime.

  [05:18] Alan Hahn:
  “Got a lot of scar tissue ... it never seems to work out ... There’s certain teams you always bet are going to screw it up.”

3. The Rationale: Why Move On from Talent?

• Discussion on the logic behind trading stars — their contracts, lack of a quarterback, and lack of team depth.

  [01:15] Don Hahn:
  “Having a lockdown Corner on a 1 in 7 football team seems odd. You know, it's like putting a Rolls Royce logo on your Volkswagen. It just, it's a waste.”

• Cites failed attempts to maximize a talented defense, lack of success with current personnel

• The view that the Jets’ top assets were most valuable on the market, not the roster

  [10:16] Don Hahn:
  “What talent do I have can get me first round picks? And they're gone. I think that's what he's looking at. I didn't draft any of these guys ...”

4. Coaching and Front Office Trust: A Leap of Faith?

• Who’s in charge now, and do they deserve the benefit of the doubt?

• Alan Hahn: Outgoing regime had its chance; now it’s Muji’s turn, but trust is not automatic.

• Callers and hosts routinely confront the fatalism of Jets fandom—should you “give up” or hope anew?

  [31:11] Don Hahn (to skeptical caller):
  “Then give up because they just brought in a new general manager. What are you going to do? Eventually you hope you get the right people to get it right. But if you're telling me the jets are never going to get it right, why do you root for them? Give up.”

5. Fan Therapy: Emotional Toll and Hope

• Callers lament years of futility and compare their loyalty to self-inflicted pain.

• Hosts empathize, recalling other franchises who eventually turned it around (Saints, Patriots, Warriors).

  [16:29] Caller:
  “My daughter is gonna be 16 in January. When she was in the womb, that was the last time I saw a playoff game. I'm dying, Don. I'm dying.”
  [42:57] Don Hahn:
  “Why do you continue to put the cigarette out in your palm every football season? Pull the plug, dude, it's over. Well, if you're gotta believe in something, but if you're a pessimist, it sets you up to prepare for the inevitable failure.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Draft picks are the currency of hope. It’s nothing more than that right now until you do something with it.”
  — Alan Hahn [37:56]
• “If you are going to get first round picks, you don't get first round picks trading average players, done players, injured players, you got to give up quality players. Yes, but you've had these quality players ... but what good’s the talent if you don't win with the talent?”
  — Don Hahn [32:43]
• “You had all this Jet talent and it didn’t amount to anything ... Now, you got to get a quarterback. How do you get a quarterback? Cap space and draft picks. How do you rebuild? Cap space and draft picks. That’s what you do.”
  — Don Hahn [16:29]
• “Why do you even bother anymore? If you know it's going to go bad, then why are you self mutilating yourself? ... Pull the plug, dude, it's over.”
  — Don Hahn [43:20]
• “Let’s not pretend like these players were trash ... They were worth more in the market than they were on the roster.”
  — Alan Hahn [36:43]

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Guest Segment: Rich Cimini, ESPN New York Jets Reporter

[23:44–27:12]

• Cimini shares inside info on why Sauce Gardner’s contract was structured to be tradable, and how even Sauce’s camp was blindsided by the trade.
• Certifies the day as “transformational” in franchise history, recalling no precedent for such a day-of blockbuster flurry for the Jets.
• Foresees the team holding onto Garrett Wilson unless blown away by an offer; Jermaine Johnson and Breece Hall still possible moves but unlikely.
• Notable Quote:
  “I can't ever remember them making two trades of this magnitude at the same day, bringing back what they got back. Now ... it's a total rebuild.” — Rich Cimini [25:46]

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Callers React: Disbelief, Frustration, Resignation, and Hope

• Long-suffering fans air grievances—some see the logic, others cannot trust the franchise to succeed with the assets.
• Hosts challenge fans to either buy in to change or stop torturing themselves.
• Disagreement over the true quality of departed players and wisdom of moves; consensus emerges that while moves were necessary, the outcome is far from certain.

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Other Highlights & Fun Moments

• Light banter opens the show, riffing on nicknames and Rosenberg’s wild hypothetical antics [00:06].
• “Do you watch the games?” becomes a running joke through multiple calls [41:23, 41:35].
• College basketball opening discussed in brief, with wit about local teams and broadcast logistics [39:19–40:19].
• Comparison to Giants’ similar crossroads; envy of Jets’ asset cache [18:19].

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Key Timestamps

• Jets blow-up explanation & reaction: [00:30]–[04:40]
• Historical skepticism & “currency of hope”: [03:22], [05:18]
• Logic for rebuilding, comparison to other teams: [09:51]–[12:06], [17:36]
• Rich Cimini segment (insider analysis): [23:44]–[27:12]
• Fan calls: frustration, generational pain: [15:35], [16:29], [41:57]
• Debate over quality/representation of traded players: [33:00]–[37:47]
• Philosophy on fandom & hope: [43:20]–[47:44]

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Tone and Delivery

• Language/Tone: Candid, wry, sometimes raw; authentic New York sports banter with blunt honesty and humor. The hosts balance empathy for fans’ pain with occasional tough love, pushing listeners to face the hard truths behind perennial disappointment.
• Quotes preserved in original context and style.

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Summary

In a pivotal hour defined by seismic Jets trades, Don, Hahn & Rosenberg explore deep questions of hope versus skepticism, the logic of painful rebuilds, and what it means to keep the faith in a franchise notorious for breaking it. With expert insight, fan therapy, and self-deprecating humor, the episode captures a momentous, precarious turning point in Jets history—one teetering between meaningful renewal and familiar letdown.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

Don, where do we stand on Sus Han?

[Alan Hahn]

It's lame. It needs Viagra.

[Chris Carlin]

And Rosenberg.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm gonna lift my shirt up, take my pants down and shake it all around.

[Don Hahn]

This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.

[Chris Carlin]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.

[Don Hahn]

The best threesome I've ever heard on.

[Chris Carlin]

ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.

[Don Hahn]

That's the best explosion sound effect I can come up with on my own.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, we have ye.

[Don Hahn]

I wanted to try my own to see if it would sound any good, because that's what the jets just did. They're blowing it up. And you know what? If you're a Jet fan, you got to be loving this. You got to be loving this because this is the first time, for me anyway, where I feel like they might have gotten it right with Muji. We'll see it with, with Aaron Glenn. That's going to take time. But this is what bad football teams do when they have so many missing pieces. They take the things that they have and they try to trade it for something better. We all like Sauce Gardner. He does a great Buffalo Wild Wings commercial.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, it's genius.

[Don Hahn]

He was, you know, at the 20th anniversary.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We appreciated it.

[Don Hahn]

We did. But, you know, having a lockdown Corner on a 1 in 7 football team seems odd. You know, it's like putting a Rolls Royce logo on your Volkswagen. It just, it's a waste. It's nice, but, you know, and they got a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's be honest, they got a great haul for them.

[Don Hahn]

But that's the point is that this is a team that does not have a quarterback. This is a team that doesn't have any kind of a future. They couldn't win with all these talented players when they had them. All we talked about, oh, this defense. Look at the talent on this defense. They're going to be good. The same Jet fans that were talking before the season started, oh, we got a great defense. Aaron Glenn's coming here. We might win seven, eight games. Didn't do anything with this talent, Allen. Nothing. And now you can spin it into first round picks. Now we'll see if those picks amount to anything. But look what they have right now. 20, 26, two first round picks, two second round picks. By the way, they didn't have a second round pick this year or next year. Excuse me, next year. 20, 27, three first round picks. Now, the Dallas and Indianapolis picks may not be that high in the draft, but the jets certainly going to have a high pick in the draft. Boy, that looks like something you might be able to package for a quarterback, whether it's a veteran or to move up. It's. You're giving yourself options and you're also giving yourself cap space. So Alan, if I'm going to lose, lose productively and make sure that you've got room to add all these pieces. Muji didn't draft any of these guys. He gave Sauce a contract probably because it he was hoping he'd get more in a return. They wouldn't have gotten two first round picks from Indianapolis if he wasn't under contract.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I just heard Michael on the great Michael K show, which you can hear before us every day or watch on YouTube as well, and he was breaking down, you know, essentially saying, now the future of this team is on Mujee and Aaron Glenn, right? And he was saying that with a lot of concern. And my only thing I'll say is this though. All right, that's what it's going to be. But you have to admit, pretty good start if you're in terms of feeling good about it. Doesn't it make you feel good, the haul they've been able to get thus far?

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why not?

[Alan Hahn]

Because this is the easy part. Getting good deals, it's easy to sell. It's what you do next, right? Like this is. Well, I've told you, draft picks. This is something I've been saying for years, put it on the bingo card, everybody. It's the currency of hope. Makes you believe again. It makes you feel like you've got something now that can turn into something good. But it still has to do that. We have seen this before. It's did this a bunch of years ago, got some picks made, some picks didn't matter, didn't hit. So you have to make sure that from here, because you know what else they're getting here is cap space. So they're definitely ripping this team up because a, clearly it doesn't win, right? The guys aren't living up to whatever they're not playing at the way they want or what they're expecting for what they're paying. So we got to bring in our guys, which is what new regimes always do. And while that sounds great and it gives you reason for that four letter word, hopefully, right?

[Don Hahn]

It's a dangerous stop somewhere.

[Alan Hahn]

I know, but it's a dangerous.

[Don Hahn]

What's the alternative?

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, Don, this is what you're supposed to do, right? But to get. I can't get excited until I see the result of this. And that's all I'm saying is this is the easy part. This is the easy part. What comes in March and April, that's going to be the hard part. That's going to be when, you know, did they get it right with Darren Mujee? He's making good deals, clearly. But I got to see what it turns into before I say, wow, this is a moment in Jets.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not mad at you because you've.

[Alan Hahn]

Got a lot of scar tissue.

[Don Hahn]

Scar tissue, Great word, great phrase. And it never seems to work out. You know, that's the old trick in sports radio is there's certain teams you always better going to screw it up. You're probably going to be right.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But Muji is not giving you a reason not to believe.

[Alan Hahn]

He has given you reason to. No track record.

[Don Hahn]

But. But now he's given the opportunity to see what he can do.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Because the one thing I just got tired of is all this Jet talent and it didn't amount to anything because, you know, football, you got to be deep, all right? This isn't basketball where I get a star player and. And that star player alone is going to win me a bunch of games. Yeah, you know, football's not that way, all right? And the one thing that you really need to be successful as a quarterback and they don't have one, and they're probably going to have the second overall pick in the draft in a draft that may have just one quarterback, but in 2027, there might be better quarterbacks or maybe there's a quarterback that can shake loose the way Jared Goff shook loose in that trade with Matthew Stafford, where it worked out for both teams. Now, I don't know who that is. I. I don't know if you want to take a shot at Kyler Murray is can Joe Burrow eventually just say, get me out of Cincinnati, man, because they don't spend any money and I can't win here. You know, you want to put yourself in at least the position that if somebody shakes loose, you've got the cap space and you got the capital to go out and get that player. Whether it's a draft pick or whether it's a veteran, you got to put yourself in that position. Michael K. Used to always say, draft picks and cap space are air, but you need air to breathe, okay? Now Muji screws it up. He screws it up and he might. He wouldn't be the first general manager to screw it up with the jets, but you have no choice. Hanging on to these players, hoping that they'll eventually come together. To me That's a dead end. This at least I think has a chance to really go somewhere.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Look again, the concern is letting good players go out the door. That's the concern. Because, boy, if you, if, if you're not already in the tank, I mean, this, this is, this is how you go straight into the tank now for the rest of the season. You're telling the locker room, we're done now. You are right. We're taking away talented pieces. You're not replacing them with better ones. So how bad it looks right now, it's going to be worse. So that's that, that's what you're going to deal with now the rest of the season. But we already knew that this season was a fait accompli. I'm just, I look at this as. This is the obvious thing to do and it's the right thing to do. Getting two firsts for Sauce is phenomenal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a great deal.

[Alan Hahn]

Balor doesn't give up first to begin with. And in Indianapolis, their fans are a little concerned that it was an overpay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They should be paying attention. They watch.

[Alan Hahn]

Really concerned. This is an overpay.

[Don Hahn]

I believe they're dancing with the Bills and the Chiefs when I see it. Well, and I'll throw the Ravens in there, too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, we know how you feel.

[Don Hahn]

And I'm not. And I'm not going to get crazy about the six turnovers in their game against Pittsburgh. Okay. I think Indianapolis is a good team, but why do I feel like they just gave up two first round picks to just solidify being a one and done wild card, you know, in the future? You know what I mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Very. I will say it jumped out at me as a very weird haul for a guy who everybody thinks is good, but all football people, slash local people who watch.

[Don Hahn]

No. Has.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He has not lived up to the back of the card.

[Don Hahn]

He's been good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, he has not been the superstar he's supposed to be.

[Alan Hahn]

The head coach played the position.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Exactly.

[Alan Hahn]

You think he didn't look and go, yeah, that ain't it.

[Don Hahn]

And when we look back, if you.

[Alan Hahn]

Remember one thing he would know is a corner and he would see a special corner go. You know, he's special. We need him. Because everybody. You can say what you want about what. What's the, what's the use of having a great corner on a bad team? No, everybody needs a good corner. Everybody. So. And you had one locked up and he was young. But if the head coach, and that's the position he plays Looked at it and said, that ain't it. Well, that tells you a lot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not enough. It's certainly not enough for him to.

[Don Hahn]

Be the piece that we keep here to build around. Yeah, he's good enough.

[Alan Hahn]

Good at Indy.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Yeah. And, and we wondered, at least I did during the summer. I said, why give it to Sauce? So you could have waited another year just to see. Because he seemed like he was heading away from being that shutdown corner over the last couple of seasons. But now you know why. The idea was, hey, if we start winning, then he's somebody we're going to have. If not, then we get to trade a contract. They're not getting two first round picks from Indy if he doesn't have a contract.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Correct.

[Don Hahn]

He's got a contract that made him easier to move. Williams had two more years left in his contract. That and I, and I. And I think right now, the way Muji's looking at it is I've got all this talent. What talent do I have can get me first round picks? And they're gone. I think that's what he's looking at. I didn't draft any of these guys. I didn't draft Quinn and Williams. I didn't draft Sauce Gardner. I didn't draft Garrett Wilson. Is that why Breece Hall's still a Jet breeze? Hall's not.

[Alan Hahn]

He can't get a first for.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I think they know that they're not getting a first, but they're not going to give them away either. If somebody offers them a second or third, I think they would jump on it. Garrett Wilson, the same thing. Hey, if you want to give me a first round pick, he's gone. But I'm not going to throw him away either because eventually I'm going to need some security blanket for whoever my quarterback is going to be next year or the year after. But these defense, that was nothing. Nothing more sickening. Peter, you remember going back the years with the K show. I remember this is going to be the 85 bears. Look at this defense. It never materialized. It never did. Because you didn't have the coaching, you didn't have all the pieces in place. And now those pieces are. It's a chance to start over. And if that's what it is, and if Joe Douglas is the gm, then I completely understand your apprehension. Because you wonder, is this really the general manager to do it? But Muji has only lost your confidence because he's the Jet general manager. And history tells you whether it's, whether it's McCagnon. Whether it's Douglas, whoever, they're gonna screw it up. But take that out of the equation. He hasn't done anything for you to lose confidence in him. And now he's got a chance to put his fingerprints on this and we'll see if it works. You gotta give him the opportunity.

[Alan Hahn]

Let the jets go into a season with a quarterback that really isn't a high level quarterback. And he didn't put a ton of skill around.

[Don Hahn]

But don't you think. But honestly, Allen.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no. It's the right to do this was.

[Don Hahn]

The plan going in?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I think it was.

[Don Hahn]

Without saying it. This was the plan going in.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's see what it looks like. And if we don't like, we bail out quick. And they bailed out quick.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Which is really. It's by the deadline. So they were giving it to the deadline. What does it look like by the time we get to the deadline? Then we make our business decision and we build it the way we want to build it. Right. That's all I'm saying. And yes, but I'm telling you, this is what you're supposed to do. So he's just following along. You know, Joe Douglas had his turn at this and he had his chance and he made some picks, some good, but some were absolutely.

[Don Hahn]

The Jamal Adams deal was fantastic.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I mean. Like he was doing things as well, getting extra picks and all that stuff.

[Don Hahn]

Or he screwed up as he got the wrong quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

And that's really what then. Isn't that what Darren Muji's job is now? Because his first choice. That didn't work. We already know that didn't work. So that's what I'm saying. This is what you do from a business perspective. As a fan. As a fan, you're excited because it's something. Right. You have to. This is the only exciting thing that could have happened. Like, oh, okay, we're gonna have change because you want change. So we're gonna get changed. Great. But you can't anticipate anything yet. The hard part still to come. That's why I'm reserving judgment on this. This was just what you're supposed to do. As a franchise that is heading nowhere.

[Don Hahn]

Jordan Schultz is reporting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Don Hahn]

That Breece hall wants to be traded, which I don't doubt because why would you want to be on a team that's going to lose the rest of the year?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But they start building crazy zero.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

All right, let's give you the lay of the land because this all like, literally came down over the last hour and a half or so. So it's a big, big Jet day. Ritz Samini is going to be joining us at the bottom of the hour. Find out are they done? The trade deadline is not over yet, so there's still a chance that other things can be done here. And what he's hearing on the whys and what have yous with all these deals. If you want to get a fan perspective, who better than Mike Greenberg? He's going to join us. Coming for. I know he's excited about everything that's going on. And then at 5 o', clock, we're going to talk to Bart Scott. Bart was not on today when a lot of this broke with Chris Carlin because he was at Nick Mangold's funeral. So I know he's itching to talk about all the deals that came down here and he is very opinionated about what they do at the quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

I can tell you from the texts he sent me. Donnie, he's got some, I mean, hot, hot takes, right? Like oven mitts.

[Don Hahn]

So that's what we have coming up here. Samini at 3:30, Mike Greenberg at 4, Bart Scott at 5. We've got talk about a Tuesday at 4:30. We've got ENN at 6. We're taking you up until 6:30. Then it's the Rangers and the Carolina Hurricane. So let's get your calls in at 1-800-919-3776, and start this big show off with Donnie in Staten Island. You're on espn, Donnie.

[Caller]

Hey, Don Han Rosenberg. How are you, Gents, what's up? Listen, I'm a little heated in retrospect, just because. Long time, Jeff fan. I'm just like, what are we doing? I get it. I totally get it. You want a fire sale. I get it. You want to build it. But what has this organization, regardless of regime, regardless of picks, and as you know, Don, more than anybody, the draft picks are air and in the regimes prior to. Yes, there's a couple of gems, but what have you given me? Real talk. My daughter is gonna be 16 in January.

[Don Hahn]

Mm.

[Caller]

When she was in the womb, that was the last time I saw a playoff game.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Mm.

[Caller]

I'm dying, Don. I'm dying.

[Don Hahn]

I know you're dying, but this is. But now this might finally be the medicine that gets you back off the mat. Because you've had these skilled players, Donna. You've had them, and you haven't won at all. So now you got to get a quarterback. How do you get a quarterback? Cap space and draft picks. How do you rebuild cap space and draft picks? That's what you do. And you've had Quinn and Williams, and you've had Sauce Gardner, and you've had Garrett Wilson, you've had Breece Hall. And what does it meant? Nothing. Because you're missing the key ingredients to a championship caliber team. And Muji didn't give. Muji gave Sauce and Garrett the contracts, but he didn't draft these guys. So I understand Alan's apprehension. I understand Donnie's apprehension. It always seems to go wrong with the jets, but are they supposed to just sit back and hope that these players eventually pop? That a quarterback falls out of the sky and helps you win? Or are these the things, Peter, you have to do in order to be able to get your ducks in a row, define the pieces?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know what the alternative would be.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, the alternative. I just don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't understand.

[Don Hahn]

Have it happen. I mean, yeah, it's gonna take. It's gonna take a while, but, you know, it's gonna take a while anyway.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's. It's taking. That is. It is taking a while. There is no way around.

[Don Hahn]

This is only year one of this regime. So I Can understand your apprehension. If this is still Joe Douglas, if this is still Robert Sala, you're like, come on, guys, isn't this sort of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The best time for it to happen?

[Don Hahn]

I think so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't want to be two or three years into regime and they've been middling. And now that you can't. Upper management has to. Now. Now ownership has to decide if they're blowing it all out to then start over.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's the Giants, right? The first year that they got there with other people's players, they had success, and so you couldn't blow it up.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So they come back the next year and they're bad. And now it's like, okay, now we have to blow it up.

[Don Hahn]

The Giants are in that situation. I'm envious because the Giants have talent, too. They got a talented defense. They got some pieces.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What does it.

[Don Hahn]

What does it mean at 2 and 7 for the third consecutive year? Think about that. Third consecutive year, they're 2 and 7, and I got people like Mel Kuiper. Oh, give Dable another shot. We'll get to that in a little bit. You know, so. Believe me, I'm envious today. As a Giant fan. I'm envious of the jets today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's. That's saying something.

[Don Hahn]

Hector and Queens are on espn. New York.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. How you doing, Alan? It's been a while, man. Hey, so. So, I mean, I love the trades. I'm not a Jets fan. I'm a Steeler fan, but I love the trades for the Jets Sauce just could not tackle, you know what I'm saying? He was very down. He was a good, good coverage linebacker. Also, I would not take a first. I would not take a quarterback within my top pick. I would definitely take on Caleb Downs. He's the next to me, he's the next Troy or he's the next Reed. Like, he's. He's that good. Anyways, that's all I really wanted to say, and we'll see what happens.

[Don Hahn]

You know, you gave your. So you're in. You're in dance now. You're in the conversation now because you've got the capital to be involved in those conversations.

[Alan Hahn]

The one problem is, you're the Jets. You're gonna pay a premium to get anybody to want to come here. Keep that in mind. So it's. It's, you know, like, there's a lot of work to be done.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, part of.

[Don Hahn]

Part of that is, do I. Is the organization run well? And I think.

[Alan Hahn]

I think we know that answer.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but today is a step in the right direction, because I think a lot of people in the know are gonna praise what the jets did today, and that doesn't happen too often.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, let's see. Like, they have, like, Jermaine Johnson, they're trying to get a second for him. Breece hall, they want a third for him, and that's still on the table. Priest hall, apparently, people are reporting, he wants out. These are his guys.

[Don Hahn]

They might just have to do it for the sake of doing it like he wants.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, Sauce and Garrett, these are all guys. They all grew up together, and now they're all getting torn apart, and they're.

[Don Hahn]

All like, you know what?

[Alan Hahn]

We're the problem. Like, see, that's the thing. Like, some of these players are probably looking, going, oh, yeah, get rid of us, because we're the problem.

[Don Hahn]

How else are you going to get picks? You don't pray for them. You don't make a wish, and it's under your pillow. You know, you don't ask the tooth fairy for picks. You gotta. You gotta make hard decisions.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, no, no, Don. You make the right decision, which is to move on, because that's someone else's player and you don't see value in him. So just move on. Then you have to get your players, and you gotta make the right choice. And you can't take Zach Wilson, you know, you can't sign Justin Fields. You got to do better than that. You got to get Mike Tenenbaum. Phrase your force multiplier.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

You got to bring in somebody that is so freaking good. We talked to a kid yesterday, Peter and I, Matthew Schaefer. He's 18. He's already the most important player in the franchise. He already has an aura about him.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

That has the veterans in that locker room, like, understanding that what we've got here is special. We got to take care of it. The jets have got to find that. They haven't had that. I can't even remember the last time they had that.

[Don Hahn]

And now they've got multiple options to maybe land that. Because as we've seen in the draft, it doesn't always have to be the first or second overall pick.

[Alan Hahn]

Man, get me Joe Burrow. What would it take? Give me Joe Burrow.

[Don Hahn]

I could see him wanting out of Cincinnati.

[Alan Hahn]

Can he, like, want out of there? Do the Bengals thing?

[Don Hahn]

I don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

Look at how Flacco's playing with this.

[Don Hahn]

Like, why are we paying him all.

[Alan Hahn]

This money when we could just get a journeyman to do the same thing, 300, 400 yards a game.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know if Cincinnati would do it. I don't know if Joe Burrow would do it. But the point is you can be in the conversation if you got the picks to offer, you know, so you don't know unless you can't try unless you got the pick.

[Alan Hahn]

How many is too many?

[Don Hahn]

Well, he does get hurt, but he's still a franchise quarterback that actually had the, you know what to go into Kansas City, win a playoff game. You know, Josh Allen hasn't been able to.

[Alan Hahn]

Has he been to a Super Bowl?

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Does he play big in big games?

[Don Hahn]

He does seem to, yes. Can he win in Kansas City?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. Yes. You know, there was a guy that played for the jets many years ago who got hurt all the time, but when it mattered.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. And then there's another guy, but the greatest QB ever who never got hurt, showed up and instantly turned to dust. So I don't know how great I.

[Don Hahn]

Feel about it is it scares you twice because Far Van Rock well turn to dust.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Chris Carlin]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Chris Carlin]

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[Don Hahn]

YouTube, TV customers. Get the sports you love on ESPN back, including college football, college game day, Monday Night Football, NBA, college basketball, and more. Act now go to keepminetworks.com to get ESPN back. Of course. Quinn Williams goes to Dallas, Sauce Gardner goes to Indianapolis for a couple of first round picks. And they kind of sorted it all for us. Is the guy that covers the team for us. And that's the greater Samini. Thanks for joining us here on Don on the Rosenberg. How are you, ma'? Am?

[Caller]

A little.

[Rich Samini]

A little frazzled today.

[Alan Hahn]

Sure.

[Rich Samini]

One for the ages.

[Don Hahn]

Now, was this why they gave Sauce Gardner a contract with the thought that if things did go awry they'd be able to move him and get more for him if he were not under contract?

[Rich Samini]

You know, that's a really interesting question. I think the way they structured that contract was with not so much upfront money, with a lot of rolling guarantees in the subsequent years, which would allow them the flexibility to trade Gardner if they wanted to. Now, I don't think they signed him in June thinking, oh, we might trade this guy a few months later. But the way they structured it gave him that flexibility. And I noticed that at the time of the deal, I'm like, this is interesting. You know, it's like he's really not kicking in these guarantees until the second and third year. And by the way, Garrett Wilson has pretty much the same contract, although they're not going to trade Garrett Wilson. But I think what. I was absolutely stunned by it, guys. You know, the Gardner one, you know, floored me. Quinton, you've been hearing rumblings. You know, that rumbling had been out there for a couple of weeks that something might happen. I actually thought Quinn and would happen in the off season. But the Gardner one absolutely floored me. Did not see that one coming.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you know what?

[Rich Samini]

I spoke to his brother Alante, who represents him as well, and he was floored. He did not know anything about it until about 12:15 when he got a call from the jets cap guy telling him that he was traded.

[Don Hahn]

Pretty incredible. Now, what else could still happen here before the deadline's over?

[Rich Samini]

I know there's been a lot of rumors about Breece hall and Jermaine Johnson. I think the jets are going to be done right now. So, I mean, look, I could. I didn't expect the Gardner thing to happen, so who the heck knows? But I know there's been rumors about Jermaine Johnson and Hall and, you know, Quincy Williams, but I think if I had to bet, I'd say they're probably done for the day. And, you know, that's. I mean, look what. What they did today.

[Caller]

This.

[Rich Samini]

Yeah, this is going to be remembered as, you know, possibly a transformational day in Jet history. I mean, I can't ever remember that. Making two trades of this magnitude at the same day, bringing back what they got back. Now they have two first rounders this year also. Two. Two twos. And then next year in 27, three first rounders. So they could. It's a total rebuild.

[Don Hahn]

Now, obviously, now, I know you got a lot to do here. You only had a couple of seconds, so we do appreciate the time. But just one more before we let you go. You said you don't think Garrett Wilson is going to be done and no other deals are going to happen. Is that because they just don't think they can get the picks they want or they want to hold on to these players?

[Rich Samini]

Well, I think they want to hold on to Garrett Wilson, you know, Jermaine Johnson. I do think there have been a lot of conversations going on and I do think if they got a second round pick as an offer, I think they would, they might move him too, you know, and it's weird because they told him a couple of weeks ago that they weren't going to move him. But teams kept calling, you know, San Francisco needs edge rushers. Robert Sala just lost, you know, his rookie edge rusher against the Giants over the weekend. They need edge players. They need a lot of help on defense because of their injury situation. Like Quincy Williams, you know, I thought he'd be the guy who gets traded today, but. So I would never say, never, that they wouldn't trade another player today. But it just, as of about 10 minutes ago, the sense I got that was that they would have to be really blown away by an offer for one of those players.

[Don Hahn]

All right, Rich man, good job. And enjoy the rest of your day. And if another blockbuster happens, maybe we'll have you back on. Yep. You never know. All right, thanks a lot, Rich. Richemini covers the jets for us and maybe it just came down to guys is like, wow, look what Indianapolis is offering us, man. We can't say no to this. Yeah, I still think it's crazy the Colts did that because I don't think like the 49ers just lost the nice password. If they give, if they offer a first round pick, then maybe you got to make the deal. But no, I don't think they would.

[Alan Hahn]

They're looking for a second. Yeah, they get a second from the Niners, they'll probably do it. And they're probably, you know, and teams are probably hesitant to give up a second now for him. But, you know, again, like you said, we've seen this in every sport. When you get down to the last minute to the trade deadline, there are teams that reach that, that moment of truth of all right, we going to do this or not? And then they do it. And if you're the jets, you're going, well, we got to do it because we didn't, you know, that's the asking price. Let's do it. So there's a, there's still a chance. To me on Johnson, it is interesting that he said they did not, they do not want to Trade Garrett Wilson. So out of the whole group, this was, this was Joe Douglas's, These were his kids. Out of the whole group, the one guy that they believe in the most is Garrett Wilson.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is interesting because Garrett, good as he is, you know, Garrett, it hasn't been going the right direction with Garrett either. Not all his fault, obviously. The offense been bad in a lot.

[Alan Hahn]

Of throw to him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it never had.

[Alan Hahn]

Guys had thousand yard seasons with some of the worst passing possible and I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guess I'm glad to see them stick with him.

[Don Hahn]

You do want to make whoever the quarterback's going to be if it's a veteran. If you draft a quarterback to just sell on the idea you got a world class wide receiver to throw the.

[Alan Hahn]

Football to, there you go.

[Don Hahn]

And that's probably why at the end of the day, it's not worth it. But you know, when you take a look at the NFC like the afc, this is why I think Indianapolis is nuts. Because at the end of the day, you still got to get through Kansas City. I still think you're still going to have to get through Buffalo. I still think Baltimore's going to be heard from. But even if, even if not, you saw Buffalo, Kansas City, 425 on Sunday. Those are the two best teams in the AFC, right? Who's the best in the NFC? Like if I'm the 49ers and I just lost somebody, why can't it be me? I mean, Philadelphia, I guess right now is the favorite because they're defending super bowl champions. But you know, the lines just, you know, got, you know, manhandled by Minnesota. Like I, no offense, Washington just lost their quarterback. Like the NFC is so wide open. If I'm San Francisco, I'm not giving up a second round pick for Johnson.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, that's why that I still.

[Don Hahn]

Think that could happen.

[Alan Hahn]

And by the way, as, as Rich pointed out, the defensive coordinator knows Jermaine Johnson as well as anybody. He coached him.

[Don Hahn]

Robert Salah.

[Alan Hahn]

Think about that.

[Don Hahn]

Salah's probably going nuts right now.

[Alan Hahn]

He might be saying like, no, no, this guy. Because remember Salah used to rave about Jermaine Johnson and we know he really started to jump off the page in the last two years. So who's to say that he's not banging on the door saying, no, no, we need to do this. Second round pick be damned. We, this guy could be a difference maker for us.

[Don Hahn]

So there's a lot that can still happen over the next half hour or so.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

All right, so we got the update there we'll hear from Greeny coming up at 4 o', clock, Bart Scott at 5, but really want to hear from you. A lot of Jet fans taken aback by this. So let's hear from you. 1-800-919-3776. Dave's in the car. You're on ESPN New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's up Dave?

[Caller]

What's up guys? You know, here's my thought on this. You know, I understand there's the business aspect of it and the fans have to suffer through that. Well, the biggest thing that's troubling me with these deals is that the brain trust of the jets organization. If you told me the jets had five number one picks right now, I still wouldn't be excited. Not because the draft may not be so strong. It's because of the historical, situational, methodical or inferiority or inability for them to not just draft a player. The Steelers draft players and grow them.

[Don Hahn]

Then Dave, you got to give up. Then give up because they just brought in a new general manager. What are you going to do? Eventually you hope you get the right people to get it right. But if you're telling me the jets are never going to get it right, why do you root for them? Give up.

[Caller]

Okay, so here's the thing. Here's the thing. They're giving up such high quality players, but for what?

[Don Hahn]

You've had him.

[Caller]

I'm talking about the. You're talking about the defensive lineman that they just go to. The Cowboys isn't a high quality player who doesn't bring his lunchbox to work every day. That guy's a headhunter out there.

[Don Hahn]

I understand that, but you've had him for how long? And you've done nothing. You've had sauce for how long? You've done nothing. All I keep hearing about Dave is this defense is going to rival the 85 Bears.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Never happened.

[Don Hahn]

And it never happened happened. So at what point do you just say it's not going to happen?

[Peter Rosenberg]

At best it rivaled the. A nice defense. That's what it was.

[Don Hahn]

At its best. It didn't win games.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

At that.

[Don Hahn]

It's bad. No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not enough to win games. Not an iconic defense that can win you games like because you're giving up three points a week. A good defense.

[Alan Hahn]

Let me ask after Rogers got hurt, they were an elite defense the year before. They were.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But they never, they never spent a season as a Ravens or a Bears.

[Alan Hahn]

Never happened because their offense was so God awful. But they were in elite defense the year before when they, they had terrible quarterback Play. Rogers comes in, he gets hurt. They were good early in that season, and then injuries and everything else fell apart last year. At the start of the season, they were not terrible. They fired Salah and then all hell.

[Don Hahn]

Broke and that was a mess.

[Alan Hahn]

And they haven't been the same since.

[Don Hahn]

But. But if you are going to get first round picks, you don't get first round picks. Trading average players, done players, injured players, you got to give up quality players. Yes, but you've had these quality players. And oh, by the way, Williams is only gonna be under contract for two more years. Are you winning in the next two years?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, Quinn was gonna be looking for an extension of Lee and they weren't.

[Don Hahn]

Gonna give it to him.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

And Sauce, they. They were gonna be giving him more money down the road. For what? Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, they were never gonna get two first for him ever. So this, that was an easy sell.

[Don Hahn]

Garrett maybe can be somebody when they turn the corner, that will be helpful.

[Alan Hahn]

You hope.

[Don Hahn]

And so that's why they hold on to him. But guys, you got to give to get. And these are decisions that had to happen. You've had these players. I turned it on the Giants side. All right, They've had Burns, they've had Thibodeau. What does it all mean? All right, Carter just got here, so you wait on that. But they can't stop a nosebleed. The 49ers had two touchdown drives. Threw the ball once, they just drove it right down their throat, pumped them like so. But there's talent there. But what good's the talent if you don't win with the talent? I understand you're taking a risk. We don't know what these picks are going to be, but to the callers point. Oh, but the jets always screwed up. Then give up, man. Take a knee. If they're never going to get it right, then quit. Then you're being a moron, right? Why you continue to invest in the team, at some point they might bring in somebody. Maybe Muji's the guy. Maybe. You got to find out. The only way to find out is to have the picks to screw them up in the first place. Let's go to Vinnie on Staten Island. Your audience.

[Caller]

Oh, thank God they got this defense was never even close to elite. They had a break. You watching the games? Quinn and Williams.

[Don Hahn]

Quinn.

[Caller]

Williams hasn't done nothing in two years. Sauce is always hurt and always getting beat.

[Don Hahn]

They.

[Caller]

They had to get rid of these guys. And what they got for these guys is remarkable. That they got three first Round picks at a second round pick. Quentin Williams is a statue. He gets manhandled. Source gets beat constantly. Okay? Now what you gotta hope if you're a Jet fan is, is they go 1 in 16 so they can get rid of Aaron Glenn. Because it's never going to work unless you get a real head coach. That's the bottom line, okay?

[Alan Hahn]

With the whole thing. Vinny, Vinny, real quick, Vinny, real quick, real quick, real quick. I was watching games. I told you, I checked out this year. They were number four, number three and number three in defensive yards in the previous three seasons.

[Caller]

Teams are going right through them. Teams are going. You watching the games? Teams are blowing right through.

[Alan Hahn]

Are you going to ask me that again? Are you watching the guy? You asked me that once before. I told you this year. No, I don't want it. You don't want to hear facts. They were good. They were a good defense. The leadership screwed the whole thing up at the very top, firing the coach. They had quarter. They had terrible quarterback play, so they were giving up points. They were out there for way more times than they needed to be because their offense could never get past a third down. And so they were on the field constantly. You're right about Quinn and Williams in the last year. He looks like he mentally checked out. He's like done with this place. You could see it on his face.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, listen, you know, just whatever.

[Don Hahn]

The thing is, is that you want to argue the quality. We're all on the same page. It was the right thing to do.

[Alan Hahn]

Nobody's saying it's not the right thing to do. Nobody's saying that.

[Don Hahn]

But.

[Alan Hahn]

But don't tell me that there wasn't a moment a couple of years ago where that defense was playing at a high level with Robert Salah, but they were playing at a high level. The problem is the quarterback play was so God awful, they were constantly on the field that by the fourth quarter they were all gas. They were exhausted.

[Don Hahn]

And that regime screwed it up.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

And that's now gone. And now the new regime comes in and says, you know what? Now it's my turn.

[Alan Hahn]

I like this. This notion that Quinnel Williams was garbage, that Sauce Gardner was garbage. No, they didn't get rid of garbage players and they wouldn't move on from guys that they aren't going to continue to pay, that they needed to get assets for them. They were. They were worth more in the market than they were on the roster. You wanted cap space, you wanted draft picks. Why? So you could rebuild the team in your own.

[Don Hahn]

You know, we were talking about it earlier when Gary Myers had Jerry Jones on the owner of the Dallas Cowboys. He said that when they were, you know, shopping Parsons. They talked to the jets. They wanted Williams, Mike. So teams wanted him.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

So I'm sorry.

[Alan Hahn]

He was out pro and three time pro. Right. He's not good. He's not trash.

[Don Hahn]

But both can be true.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

That he's a good player, but you had to make. You had to move.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

So no again, he's worth the dance on his grave.

[Alan Hahn]

He's worth more to you in the market, right, Sauce? When somebody's coming with two firsts.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I don't know. You gotta do it.

[Don Hahn]

Two first.

[Alan Hahn]

You gotta do it.

[Don Hahn]

Who are you not trading for two first?

[Alan Hahn]

Let's not pretend.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Great point.

[Alan Hahn]

Like these players were trash, but whatever.

[Don Hahn]

They'Re now somebody else's treasure. And you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way. And they will be probably the proof will be in the pudding next year, I guarantee.

[Don Hahn]

I could see Sauce Garden being quite good.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I'm saying is what does this. This is great. Now you're tearing it up. This is what you're supposed to do. What do you do with this now? This is the currency of hope. Draft picks in the cap space. It's hope. It's nothing more than that right now until you do something with it.

[Don Hahn]

Well, they've created the opportunity.

[Chris Carlin]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Chris Carlin]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I like when he holds it.

[Don Hahn]

I agree. I agree with Peter. It does sound like it's getting longer. It's weird.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's odd.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

I know.

[Don Hahn]

So we stayed over in Anaheim after the game on Sunday and then flew home yesterday. That's why I took the day off. So when we landed about, I don't know, 6:40 in Newark, then we took the bus to the. To the arena and that's where my car was. Just as all the Seton hall fans were going in to the Rock. So I had to exit the. The parking structure as all the fans were going back in. I'm like, seen all basketball already. Like, yeah, November, St. John's played the Lakers, has a game tonight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

QPAC. You know how I feel, right?

[Alan Hahn]

That was Big, Q, Pac and Syracuse. Yeah, we shortened. We decided to call him Q Pack.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I could see that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

St. John's I was locked in yesterday. You kidding me?

[Alan Hahn]

I listen on the end, how did. How did Carmelo's son do? How did Cayenne do? Did he have a good 15 off the bench?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Good for you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not bad for you.

[Don Hahn]

In college basketball, isn't there something with St. John's and then US Brewing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did I not read the game was on?

[Alan Hahn]

I believe we have the broadcast.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, like you dream about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You throw the record books out.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm sorry, they're only the number five team in the country.

[Don Hahn]

I'm just saying that we should make a big deal out of that. And I stumbled upon it. Listen, I am the longest tenured member of espn. I should have gotten a heads up. I shouldn't find out from Andrew Marchand. Nobody let me know.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a bad thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No one ran that by you?

[Don Hahn]

No. When you say run it by.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not a Donnie.

[Don Hahn]

I'm just saying. Hey, Donnie. Good news.

[Alan Hahn]

Donnie, is it okay? We're St. John's on. Is that all right?

[Don Hahn]

I'm not asking if it's okay. Of course it's okay.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what it sounds like, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why not?

[Don Hahn]

Carlin's on the fan with Rutgers. We'll bring Brandon over here to espn? Why not? We're all living together. Love American style sports version.

[Alan Hahn]

Cats living together.

[Don Hahn]

But no, I'm not saying I had to approve it, but you can't let me know. Should be a little heads up. I got. I gotta find out like everybody else.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it was in our.

[Don Hahn]

I'm a little soft. I'm assaulted. A little bit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A little bit.

[Alan Hahn]

A little bit. A little bit. A little bit.

[Don Hahn]

A little bit. All right, now to the task at hand.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, do you watch the games? Do you watch the games?

[Don Hahn]

You know what you're watching? I watch what I can do.

[Alan Hahn]

You watch the games?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You do the Best you can this weekend.

[Alan Hahn]

Love this. I love that. Do you watch the games? No, not at all.

[Don Hahn]

I'm going to be able to tell my grandkids that I got to watch parts of Game 7 on the [e-mail] arena while calling a Devil's Kings game. That's kind of a strange way to consume seven.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, you'll never forget that.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, we'll talk about that a little bit later on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You need to get to that, David.

[Don Hahn]

And Elizabeth's angry. David, what's the matter? What can we do for you?

[Caller]

You gentlemen, I'm going to need you as therapy, so check this out. Tomorrow's my birthday, right?

[Don Hahn]

Happy birthday. What are you, 28 years old? How old are you?

[Caller]

Turn the big three. Nine tomorrow, man. Yeah, so the jets gave me a birthday present that just keeps revolving. Bad, bad, bad decisions. Now, look, I get it. I'm with you, Don. You're right. You have to move on from what? We have to see if we have a better future. And I'm all for that. I'm just irate because it's like, man, Quinn in Gone. Sauce, gone. And it's like the team hasn't been playing well. And, like, we've been doing, like, losses for years. Like, it's just so hurtful, bro. Like, when does it end? It's like a revolving hope this is it, man. I hope so. And like, I was just telling one of my Jet buddies, like, bro, it's a copycat league. Like, how hard is it to copy on the test? All I got to do is stand over you, yo. I'll copy so good, I'll put his name on the test. When they be like, hey, Mr. Osina, it says Daryl Smith up here. That's how good that you could copy off people. Why can't you get it right? It's hurtful, gentlemen.

[Don Hahn]

I hope they get it right. Listen, David, you're only 39 years old. I'm 57. Alan's what, 54? Peter's even been on this earth longer than you. And we saw a lot of teams all of a sudden get it right. They were wearing bags on their heads all those years in New Orleans, and eventually they got it right. Patriots eventually got it right. You know, remember there was a time, like, Golden State Warriors. Where is Golden State?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What does that even mean?

[Don Hahn]

Golden State. And now they're perennial winners. Eventually you get it right. I will admit Jet fans have waited much longer than a lot of other franchises. But maybe this is the day they get it right. But if you're just be like they always get it wrong, then I'll ask again. Why do you even bother anymore? If you know it's going to go bad, then why are you self mutilating yourself? Right? Why do you continue to put the cigarette out in your palm every football season? Pull the plug, dude, it's over. Well, if you're got to believe in.

[Alan Hahn]

Something, but if you're a pessimist, it sets you up to prepare for the inevitable failure.

[Don Hahn]

Like that's how, that's your own sadness.

[Alan Hahn]

It's the love, it's the life of a Jets fan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, that's all it is.

[Alan Hahn]

It's because you're preparing yourself for what you know is the inevitable failure. You know, the brothers McMullen, you know, that's the line from the movie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what's weird too, by the way?

[Don Hahn]

I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hit this. This moment. I have to book my San Diego plans for Survivor Series weekend, which is weekend after Thanksgiving and for the last, you know, forever. I always think about, well, what time are the Commanders playing? And is it crazy that with Jaden out for the year and Mina, I'm like, I don't care when they play, I'll fall. But even, but during their worst era, I was still like, I was even more locked in. Whereas now I kind of believe in them again. So I'm like, I don't need to watch crap games that don't matter. I'll follow along with. I'm not gonna change my. Guess what, they're back on Sunday Night Football. Doesn't matter. I'll be forced to watch it. But either way, I wasn't gonna not.

[Don Hahn]

Take a good flight.

[Alan Hahn]

Can we go to Thursday yet? Because that's Thursday. Because that guy, oh, that guy. Thursday. Because you're at a point now where you should be watching even without him. Because now you need to watch the whole team. Like everybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But they're bad. They met, they did not do things right this offseason.

[Alan Hahn]

Understand?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they're paying the price for it.

[Alan Hahn]

This is why. Because now you got the guy. You got the guy. He's going to be back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I believe he'll be back in.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, so when you have that piece, you should be even more critical of your team. It's different now because now you have a reason to believe. Now you start looking at Dan Quinn going, are you really it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's, I mean, his right. You ever seen a seat get warmer overnight?

[Alan Hahn]

But, but, but, but this is what makes it different. You shouldn't be backing Off. No, you should be turning up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I should be stepping up. And by the way, and for the record, the last time I turned off a game, our quarterback got smoked on the field. So now I can never turn a game off again. That was my first time in years.

[Don Hahn]

Why don't you dare now since we've doing all this therapy for jets. Does does better help have like a jet font? Like just, just like a Jetter help?

[Alan Hahn]

A Jetter help?

[Don Hahn]

Is there a Jetter help? Like it's just something. Just recommend that because you've got an in that's a great sports fan for Jet fans just directly to talk to like somebody like me, kind of just talk them off the ledge or something, you know. Well, you know what would you talk.

[Alan Hahn]

Them off the ledge?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Since we're talking about all this, can I please talk to you guys about better help this November? Better help or Jetter help, depending on if I can make it happen or not.

[Alan Hahn]

Great idea is encouraging.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everyone reach out. You can check in on friends, reconnect with loved ones, whatever you need to make sure you're doing alright and so is everybody else. Now for me, when it comes to therapy, you know how I feel about it. It is so useful in so many ways. And BetterHelp therapists work with a strict code of conduct. They're officially licensed in the US and they do a great job matching you up with the therapist you need to reach your goals. They have a league, an industry leading match fulfillment rate, which means they line you up with the right people. And if you're not happy with their match, they switch you to a different therapist at any time from their tailored recommendations. Now, with over 30,000 therapists, BetterHelp is one of the world's largest online therapy platforms, having served 5 million people globally. And it works alright. An average rating of 4.9 out of 5. You know what I'm trying to tell you? They do a great job. So this month, don't wait to reach out. Whether you're checking in on a friend or reaching out to a therapist yourself, BetterHelp makes it easier to take that first step. Our listeners also get 10% off their first month call.

[Don Hahn]

£250.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Say the keyword timeout. That's keyword timeout. After calling £2 50 and you guys realize I have an earpiece in, which means my left ear is completely open. So when I was doing the commercial, you guys turn your mics off and you're whispering to each other. No one can hear it. But I'm doing the commercial while just.

[Alan Hahn]

Hearing like you're professional.

[Don Hahn]

We had. There was something. No, no.

[Alan Hahn]

This is show schedule stuff.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, I know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're talking about what's going on.

[Don Hahn]

What could.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's.

[Don Hahn]

Mom, we'll tell you.

[Alan Hahn]

We'll tell you during the break.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right?

[Alan Hahn]

But. No, no, but you're a professional. You just. Well, you saw it through.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There wasn't a hiccup.

[Don Hahn]

There was not one.

[Chris Carlin]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good.

[Chris Carlin]

Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.