A (1:47)

Everything potentially could end up on the air.

B (1:49)

That's scary.

A (1:51)

And I think this belongs especially 4:30 app only because the Mets are playing right now.

B (1:57)

App only means there's no rules.

C (2:01)

Nudity, violence, frontal politics.

A (2:04)

We're not making any kind of bold statements here. Just when we're app only, you want to tune in. That's all I'll say.

B (2:11)

You don't want to miss it.

A (2:11)

You always want to tune in, but especially when we're app only.

C (2:15)

There's no radio rules. We can do whatever we want technically right now, but we still are under.

A (2:19)

The guise of ESPN and Disney.

C (2:21)

Guys are J's.

A (2:23)

I mean, we've already had to edit the name of Allen's list.

B (2:28)

Yeah.

A (2:28)

And if you hear what it was called, you realize that there are rules. There are significant rules.

C (2:33)

Listen, you said. You said we're still under the guise of espn. Let me tell you something. I've been under guys plenty of times and had a great time every time.

A (2:38)

There you go. See, this is what we're talking about. You wouldn't have heard that on 880.

C (2:43)

That's not an 880 joke. That's not an 880 Joke.

B (2:46)

That's not an 880.

A (2:47)

That's Apple. It's not even a 1050 joke.

B (2:49)

Confirmed. Peter's a bottom.

A (2:50)

He's. Yeah, that's it.

B (2:53)

Wait.

C (2:53)

Okay. By the way, Alan always goes one step. No, I. It's. It's. It's a.

A (2:58)

It's. Wait a minute.

C (2:59)

He doesn't even. It's not even, like, humor anymore. He just says. Did you hear what he said?

A (3:03)

I heard exactly what he said.

C (3:04)

Like, I'm doing.

A (3:05)

I'm not even gonna repeat it, but.

C (3:06)

Like, what I'm doing is called humor. It's like. It's enough that you have to listen. There's a play on something. He just comes out and says, it's not a joke anymore.

B (3:14)

He's just saying, like what I say.

A (3:15)

I think you danced on the line. He just obliterated all.

C (3:17)

Yeah, but the charm is in the dance.

B (3:21)

Is it?

A (3:22)

Yeah.

B (3:22)

Well, it depends.

A (3:23)

You worry he's working Bluetooth.

B (3:25)

Well, speaking of dance. My list. My list.

A (3:29)

Are you gonna announce it?

C (3:30)

Why not? Why does it be a surprise? A secret?

A (3:32)

Because I enjoy it. No, I don't want to. Heads up. Because it warms them up and it makes them do their own list.

B (3:38)

And Jacob needs to prepare for it, I think. Yeah, you need to. Need to really hear it.

A (3:42)

You have to. Yeah, there's. There's. There's an audio component to both of our lists, by the way.

C (3:47)

Well, the whole. The whole thing's audio component. You can.

A (3:51)

Yeah, but you're being captain literal man right now. Of course, everything's audio, but it relates.

C (3:54)

To more audio is what you're saying.

A (3:56)

So the Mets are in the top of the seventh inning. The Tigers have a 32 lead. The Mets have brought out the broom, but they need to win this game to start sweeping. And it's three two. Last night they got another. Another solid outing. It was. It wasn't great. But what I loved about the outing from McLain is he didn't really have it, but he fought through it. He gave his six innings, struck out seven. So not every outing is going to be amazing, but he got the job done. And he now only two pitchers since the era became a stat in 2013, in 1913 so we're talking about over what 112 years ago that the era has been a stat. Only two pitchers have started four no with an earn run average under one and a half and has struck out 25 or more in the four game span. And it's Nolan McClain and Fernando Valenzuela. Fernando Mania. So what are we going to call McClain? Is it McLean mania? I like, I like that a lot. Not bad because it's, it's starting to happen and the games are meaningful and it's late in the season. You may most of these starts have been August into September when the Mets have absolutely needed it and they're losing 3:2. So that game's on 880. So we're going to be on the app until that game's over. It's in the top of the seventh inning so we're probably going to be on the app sooner than later. But this is where you should be consuming us all the time anyway. But I think the place to start, Alan is with the jets because they've got, they got some tough news today. Tough news when you consider how they want to perform offensively. They got some really, really bad news about their offensive line.

B (5:37)

They did. Elijah Vera Tucker As Rich Samini reported he suffered a season ending torn triceps which is an injury he had once before. He's seeking a second option though to see if season ending surgery is necessary or if there's a way he could play through which would be amazing because it's painful. But why this just adds to concern is not just and I love I heard Bart this morning and his rant was so on point because it's so typical Bart and I felt like I'd been there before with him year after year with the why us? You know that that Jet misery that hits you every time. But I already was coming into the season with some trepidation because while there's a lot of optimism because a new broom sweeps clean and you bring in new people and they have a new approach and a new voice. And Aaron Glenn, a former Jet blood in the ground who is just speaking with the right tone that Jet fans want to hear, they're going to play. We know already they're going to do RPOs and they're going to do play action. This is going to be a run heavy offense and they have two running backs, even three that are excellent and they have a quarterback who really can run. In his best year he rushed for over a thousand yards with the Bears so that's going to be. We know the foundation of their offense. Vera Tucker, according to Pro Football focus, is ranked 17th out of all guards in the entire league last year in run blocking. He's their best at it and now he could be gone for the season. You say, well, Joe Tipman can move right to right guard, which he actually has played. There's probably a reason why Glenn wouldn't commit to who's the starting center. Maybe because they kind of knew this was coming. Tippman obviously moves to guard. John Josh Myers, who they signed, becomes your center. But now you see what's happening. Depth already now compromised and my center's playing right guard. My center should be playing center and my all pro caliber right guard should be the one we're running behind all day long. So the point I've been making is my concern about this team. It just continues to, to me crumble the foundation of any type of belief that this how do you possibly take the over and wins? Six and a half, Peter. Six and a half, Don. How do you take the over and stay optimistic with a defense that you think should be good, but we don't know, but an offense that we know is not lighting it up. They're not going downfield. Fields has never had over 17 touchdowns thrown in a season. This is not going to be a lighted up offense. You thought it would be a heavy run game. This compromises it at the beginning. So it's a, it's a concern and it leaves me even more concerned about what this season should be or could be about.

C (8:37)

Okay, you already knew.

B (8:38)

I did.

C (8:39)

And now you really know.

A (8:40)

But yeah, because you were down on this team even before you heard again down.

B (8:43)

I just want to be clear. It wasn't down. It's more I, I, instead of having anticipation, I was just like, I don't know what to expect. I'm curious. But I'm not, I'm not all in.

A (8:54)

But you know, it's, I know there's a lot of people that are overly optimistic about the jets that, that they could, you know, maybe win seven, eight games, be playing meaningful games in December. And I think a lot of that just has to do with the fact that they finally got a coach that they can wrap their, their mind around.

B (9:12)

They also have, they also have like a top 10 easy schedule that, that helps too.

C (9:17)

That helps too.

A (9:18)

But you, there's always hope springs eternal, even for the jets when somebody new comes in. But it's not, it's not somebody else's guy, it's their guy. They bring in Aaron Glenn. All right.

B (9:29)

Yeah.

A (9:30)

Hey, Robert Sala. I saw him in San Francisco. He was chest bumping with his defenders after they made a big play. I remember him. Yeah, the bald guy.

B (9:37)

Yeah.

A (9:37)

That's good. Oh, Adam Gase. He was recommended by Peyton Manning. Okay. I remember him a little bit. Miami, you know, there's always somebody else's stuff. Oh, Todd Bowles. Okay, I remember Todd Bowles. He was, he was, he was a good redskin. But now you got a guy that's. You said blood in the ground. He is a former Jet. He comes from an era where the jets were really good. They were playing in a championship game. He was a really good player. He's coming from a place in Detroit where they haven't won a championship, but they've been a winner since he's been there. Like, so there's a feeling of positivity. But now you get this blow. And also, we haven't really discussed this at all. And I really want. I just wanted to get your reaction to this. So they're gonna run the ball, right?

B (10:22)

Yeah, in theory.

A (10:25)

How does that help? Right?

B (10:27)

How does that help?

C (10:28)

What?

A (10:28)

Because, and I know Glenn said, well, who says it's a passing league? He had that whole thing early in the training. Campbell, who says it's a passing league.

B (10:34)

Your defense in Detroit said that. But because I saw a kid come.

A (10:38)

In and just light you up and even Peter made a great point yesterday with Philadelphia. Well, those. More even to.

C (10:45)

I was kidding.

A (10:46)

Very sensitive that the Eagles, because of Barkley having this historic. See, they've got great wide receivers. They still have a top 10 quarterback. I mean, they could throw the football. Okay. It's not all about the tush push and 3 yards and cloud of dust. They may do it unconventionally, but they could throw the ball downfield.

B (11:02)

They also have a quarterback who can throw it.

A (11:04)

But here's. Here's the deal. You went out, I thought they got Justin Fields in, hoping that, hey, maybe at 26, since we didn't draft the quarterback, that this could be like a draft pick for us. He doesn't have a ton of mileage on him. We're going to fix this kid and he might be our quarterback of the future. And immediately, as soon as they get it, oh, we're going to run and we're going to take advantage of his legs and we're going to take advantage of the fact that we've got really good running backs. We got a good run blocking offensive line and. And we're going to ground and pound and pound.

B (11:32)

All the things they wanted to do in Chicago and were criticized for his best year was that. That was basically it.

A (11:41)

But that's kind of what you do.

B (11:42)

It was him and David Montgomery, you.

A (11:44)

Know, when you play that way, because remember, this isn't a coach. This isn't like Brian Dabel trying to win games to save his job. This is a guy that just got here and by design, they're going to run the football.

B (11:56)

Yeah.

A (11:57)

You went out and got a quarterback. Not to hopefully blossom him into the franchise quarterback at 26. We are going to just have him manage. We're going to ground and pound. We're going to get as many wins as we can.

C (12:08)

Okay, and you're still the point of that.

A (12:10)

What is the overall point?

C (12:11)

Where are you going?

A (12:12)

Even if you get a few. Let's say you win eight games. Is that the way you're going to now go win the championship?

C (12:17)

Right.

A (12:18)

Or are you just going to be now next year looking for a quarterback, looking for a wide receiver and like blowing the whole thing up again to become the team that can actually win the championship? Are they doing this just to win games for their new head coach, for. For it to look presentable in his first year? Or are they doing this because this belief, they believe this is the best way to win a championship. Because if they think that's it, I think they're sorely mistaken. I don't think that's the way to do it.

B (12:45)

I agree.

A (12:45)

So how come we're not having that conversation? Exactly why is it built this way and now you're not even sure you can do it this way because you just lost your best guard?

B (12:55)

I think it's built this way because this was the best option they had. That's. I think that's it. This is all they had. Justin Fields wanted to come here. They had a relationship. This is what they had. Yes, I know what you're going to say. You know what I'm going to say. They had Aaron.

A (13:10)

Exactly.

B (13:10)

I don't. I didn't. What I mean is this is the best they had after they made the coaching decision they made because it was pretty clear from the, from the jump that Parcells, Aaron, Glenn, they did not want to continue life with Aaron Rodgers.

A (13:25)

And that's simple.

B (13:26)

And you also knew there must have been something with Justin Fields when he was hired, because Justin Fields ghosted the Steelers, who everybody knows. They wanted to sign him, they wanted him back. And he didn't answer calls until he became a free agent. And then Once he answered the phone at free agency, the call was coming from Florin park, not Pittsburgh. So he made it clear what his intentions were. He was not returning to Pittsburgh. They were going to move on from Russell Wilson already knew that. But Justin Fields they wanted to talk to. He never talked to them. He left to go to the Jets. So there's something there. That's how Rogers ended up in Pittsburgh. People don't have to understand. They didn't seek Rogers. They didn't take Rogers from the Jets. That's not. Let's not forget how long it took for Rogers to decide where he wanted to play.

A (14:13)

Took a while.

B (14:14)

So Fields was their plan. Are they looking at him as can we develop him into somebody that his potential coming out of college was a quarterback? I mean look, he was a top 10 pick. So is he somebody that they can develop into a high level NFL quarterback? And the question I keep having is what about him is going to change? What's going to change about him? He's not a great passer. He's capable, but everything with him is offensive line and, and his running game. That's when he's most effective. That was 2022, when he, when he threw for 17 touchdowns and I think he rushed for eight. He led the league 7.1 yards per carry. Like he was legit as a quarterback.

A (14:54)

No, absolutely.

B (14:55)

But it also killed him. He got sacked 55 times.

A (14:58)

But I thought let's get him. He's young and maybe since we couldn't draft the quarterback, he could turn out to be our franchise quarterback. But if you're just going to have him game manager, then he's just a quarterback on the chief that you're going to replace down the road. All to. I said it from the very beginning. Letting go of Rodgers had nothing to do with football. It had everything to do with just dousing the expectations. If Rogers is here, well, we might be able to win 10 games. Might be able to compete with the. They didn't want to do that this whole season. And I'm not saying it's wrong, I wouldn't do it. But I'm not, I'm not, I'm not criticizing in the sense. I'm just calling it what it is. This whole season was to usher in their new head coach and to lessen the expectations and just give him a year to just try to maybe win some games, take a little bit of the pressure off him because they want a head coach for the long term. If you bring in Aaron Glenn and Roger sticks around and you're going to win 10, 12 games and you win six, then people are going to be calling for his head. They don't want that. Go in with zero expectations. Maybe you're surprised and win seven, eight games. People are going to be talking about coach of the year and they're going to rally behind him. You've already seen the Jet fans rally around him. When I even suggest about how mean he is to the media. We don't care. We love. He's our guy. Yep, that was all this year was about to usher in the new head coach. But I ask you, does it help long term if you don't find the quarterback? I think Justin Fields has some ability. I'd like to throw the ball downfield. I'd like to see if he can throw. If it comes to the expense of some wins, I, I want to know if I got a quarterback because I don't want to have to go out there win eight, nine games and then, well, I got to bring Justin Fields back and now we're going to play football 1986 just to win some games.

B (16:38)

But that's the, see the idea. You have to also connect the dots. Running game does what the defense does what when they know you're going to run your heavy run, what are they.

A (16:48)

Going to put eight, nine men in the box and try to stop it?

B (16:50)

And then Justin Fields has chemistry with Garrett Wilson, who you invested in and now believe is one of the top wide receivers in the sport. He's the top 100 player in the NFL. Okay, so what you're hoping is, is that opens up and the chemistry the two of them have going back to college allows for Garrett Wilson to go for yet another thousand yard receiving season with a quarterback once again who is in a high level, you know, passing quarterback, because he's that good. Garrett Wilson is easily the best player on the Jet offense.

A (17:21)

My Foster.

B (17:22)

So you still have to figure out how are you going to, how are you going to maximize him when you don't really have a counter on the.

A (17:27)

Other side of the field. That's why I'm hoping defensively.

B (17:29)

So the running game has to, has to open up the field for Garrett Wilson. What another wide receiver would feel like the Eagles did when they went out and got A.J. brown.

A (17:38)

But maybe it's playing possible. I'm going to get everybody to think we're going to run the football and now I'm going to be lighting it up with Garrett Wilson. There's going to be a connection with Fields and Wilson and we're going to go nuts. I'd like to see other wide receivers. I'd like to see a tight end that can do some things and they weren't overly aggressive other than bringing Wilson back with the contract of getting weapons for Justin Fields. It just feels like everything has been tampered down to just, hey, let's just, let's just enjoy this season. Let's not put any pressure on the coach. I think we don't want to have. We don't want to have expectations.

B (18:07)

It feels like a Eagles build, in my opinion, but it's.

A (18:10)

But you need the quarter.

C (18:11)

What are you building?

A (18:12)

Yeah, no, just the field's going to be. Jalen hurts like again.

B (18:15)

I'm trying to find optimism, so here's my optimism. This feels like an Eagles build. Eagles built at the line. Like, is Jalen hurts considered a guy who's like a big time passer?

A (18:25)

No.

B (18:26)

What was he, what is he great at? His legs, his power. Right. All that stuff. They have a great offensive line. They had him. They, they had, they had Devonte, but they had to get another veteran wide receiver on the other side of him. And then all of a sudden started to turn right and then Saquon was the missing. And now they're just unbelievable offense. Now they already have the running game. They have an offensive line. When it's healthy, it's. It's good. Their offensive line is good. It's not deep, but it's good. They have one right receiver. That's what I want to see. Now this is on Darren Muji. Can you go out and get your AJ Brown and put him on the other side of Garrett and now you got something because you don't have to have them running 50 yard routes and have your quarterback who is a low percentage reception quarterback if you can just get him to throw it and then they make plays from there because Garrett Wilson's a playmaker when he catches the ball. That's what I want to see. I think it's that form when you said what do you want? How do you want to play? I think that's how they want to play.

A (19:24)

All right, well, I just don't see.

C (19:28)

A big, a high mark here for this team doing that.

B (19:32)

Not this year.

A (19:32)

Because. Right. You got to hope that Muji is Howie Roseman and that he's got talent up and down like they've got talent everywhere. They don't know what to do with all the talent they have. Yeah, you know, the Jets, I think have talent in certain areas, but do they have Eagle talent like I could. I could understand. Hey, if you want to build out the Eagles way. Okay, well then you better get some better players than you think about right now.

B (19:56)

How did they get A.J. brown? You never thought that the Titans would trade him. You never thought they'd trade him. He was too important to them. To Tannehill. He was too important. But what happened? The GM there was tired of dealing with whatever he was dealing with. Rabel was complaining and they shipped him out. And it was dumb. It led to that whole team going from really good to collapsing. Right. So you're now waiting for who's that team that has that wide receiver that would be a great fit on the other side and you're going to go get him. That's what you're waiting on. But you got to know the league really well. You got to be connected enough to know and Roseman is so good because he's almost like a step ahead of everybody. I already knew this was coming.

C (20:34)

Right.

A (20:34)

Well that's why they so great and that's why they were able to do Saquon the way they're built. But they're also built with a quarterback that we may say is not in the top five. He's not an elite quarterback but you know what he is. He's a winner. You know is Justin Fields that is Justin Fields going to be that quarterback or am I trying to build what the field Philadelphia Eagles have and still the old same old song and dance trying to find the quarterback.

B (20:56)

Don, his best season so far in the NFL where I told you I gave you the numbers. Right? Right where he was. He was leading the league in rushing as a quarterback. As far as per carry that he had his career high 17 touchdown passes and 8 touchdown on the ground rush. It's his best season 2022 put up big numbers. The record was 3 and 12 when he started. So like what are we. What are you looking for? You asked Jalen Hurts a winner. He proved it in college. He's obviously proved it right away when he stepped in. I don't know if we've seen that from Justin Fields Ohio State for but in the NFL Chicago was a frustration early on in Pittsburgh was clearly they were just waiting for Russ to get.

C (21:41)

Healthy and I mean let's again I know I've defended Justin Phil's lot though neither of those teams were good and neither's really gotten very good. I mean people believe the Bears are finally going to take a step this.

B (21:50)

Year with Caleb but that's what we're Waiting to see when you ask is he a winner? I don't know. We've never had any evidence of him in a big moment, big game.

A (21:58)

Sure.

C (21:58)

You're right. That is totally fair. We also just don't know that he's a loser though. But because the two teams that he was on, one of which John, he had a winning record with, but they weren't happy with the performance. But neither of those were special football teams.

A (22:07)

I don't know.

B (22:08)

Remember Justin Hertz was pulled from a championship game at halftime because he was bad.

C (22:12)

Jalen.

A (22:13)

Yes, right.

C (22:14)

But by the way, and the problem with what Alan's saying, because it's true, is you're coming to the Jets. Are the jets much different? Bears and the Steelers last year.

B (22:23)

Thank you. You put the coat on.

A (22:24)

Except worse culture when they brought Justin Fields in was that we are going to try to see if we got ourselves a quarterback.

B (22:33)

Yep.

A (22:33)

If they're just going to play hide the quarterback, even if it results in some wins, you're still looking for a quarterback.

B (22:40)

I don't think it's hide the quarterback. I think it's just accentuate his positives. And the problem in Chicago a lot of times with that was bad offensive line play. They built a good offensive line that should have allowed him to be what he is. Rpo. He's really good.

A (22:54)

I know, but it's still.

B (22:56)

But now with Vera Tucker, who's their best run blocker, I'm telling you, that's.

A (22:59)

Going to be a problem. But I just think though, even with Hertz, even with any quarterback that uses his legs, at some point you're going to hang in the pocket and throw a dart 30 yards downfield, that's going to change the game. All right.

B (23:15)

Yep.

A (23:15)

Randall Cunningham was a scrambling quarterback. But Randall Cunningham, when he was on the Vikings and had weapons, he could scramble. But you know what, he could throw darts down the field to Carter and get touchdowns. Right. And to Moss when he had to. All those guys, John Elway, same thing. Oh, he can kill you with his legs.

B (23:32)

You also said this though, he had Carter and Moss.

A (23:34)

Right. But I'm saying.

B (23:35)

But you know what I mean?

A (23:36)

Right. But you've got Gary, like what good is it? He's got to have to hit him, you know, so if they do get eight, nine men in the box and Fields doesn't have anywhere to go and he's got a world class wide receiver who's open, can you get him the damn ball?

B (23:48)

Well, what you're saying is what I saw in preseason Was that the little bit of time they did play on the field? Garrett can get open. Garrett's a great runner. The problem is it means nothing if he's got to reach behind him to catch the ball. Can you put it in the bucket for him? He'll do the rest.

A (24:05)

So, you know, I get what you're saying, but if we're going to do some kind of glorified wildcat, I'd like to see the guy throw the football. Apparently Rogers was the topic of conversation among the jets today, not just what happened with their offensive line calls. At 1-800-919-3776, Helsey gives it up again. A three run home run. So now the Mets. Yeah, he's. He's.

B (24:27)

Oh my God. Oh my God.

A (24:31)

So it's now 6:2 in the bottom of the seventh inning. So it was a 3:2 game, now a 6:2 game. Don't you love that?

C (24:37)

That we get by the time we get on the air? You can't enjoy last night. It's already ruined.

A (24:41)

No, it's already ruined. Whole series ruined.

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B (26:07)

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C (26:11)

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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A (26:20)

Such a good song. Good job. Good pull. Jacob. I don't know what drove you to the temptations today. It's the 3rd of November. No, it's not.

B (26:32)

It's. It's the 3rd. The 3rd of September. But that's okay. Yeah.

A (26:35)

Yeah.

B (26:36)

He tells the story about his father. Well, he walks away that day.

A (26:41)

I'll always remember Heartbreak. That was the day that my dad died.

B (26:51)

Heartbreaking song.

C (26:53)

Yeah.

A (26:53)

Because his father was no good. It's in the original version of this song. It's 11 minutes long.

B (27:03)

Yes.

A (27:03)

With one of the great. That. That boom, boom, boom. Oh, really, really good stuff.

C (27:09)

The original versions. How long?

A (27:10)

11 minutes.

C (27:11)

You've already done top long songs before, haven't you?

A (27:14)

Yes, and I think I might have had that in there.

C (27:16)

He's done all of them.

B (27:16)

He's done every top long song.

A (27:18)

Yeah.

B (27:18)

I don't remember. I don't remember this one.

A (27:20)

This wasn't. This was on the. The K show.

B (27:22)

I mean, I'm aware that it was probably on a show, listening to it.

C (27:25)

Definitely. Pandemic.

B (27:26)

Oh. Oh, okay. Pandemic was. Usually it's chaos. Yeah.

A (27:29)

You know, you got the.

B (27:30)

There's no car to drive in those days. It was just. It was upstairs when I was done with my show.

C (27:35)

Right.

B (27:35)

Right before yours.

C (27:37)

How old were the kids at that age? At that stage? Five years ago?

B (27:41)

Well, the. Again. So Zach would have been in prep school, Emma was in college, and then the other two were just regular, like, elementary school.

C (27:50)

Elementary school.

B (27:51)

I was very forced madness in the house because they were all home.

A (27:54)

Right. Oh, well, I didn't mind going back home and just nothing was affected. I felt bad for all the kids that were, like, pulled out of school and everything. Like, the twins were two and a half, so they were. Well, they just weren't in daycare, which there was no need for daycare. I was still working from home, and we kind of did the daycare just to get them acclimated to other kids and all that stuff. So they weren't really learning anything, you know, but. So that wasn't a big, you know, wasn't a big deal.

B (28:18)

Yeah. Speaking of school, first. First day Callie went today. First day, fifth grade. My youngest, now fifth. It's too much like she's now in a grade higher than the grade my teach. My wife teaches. That's now when it's. It's too far. Now I'm really getting old. Gracie started her senior year at St. Anthony's which means she's almost gone. Is it wrong that when she left, no bus? Of course, because they're driving when she left I got emotional.

C (28:51)

Why would that be wrong?

B (28:53)

I mean, because it's like it's the third kid by now. You got to get over it. Right. Like it's enough. But that was.

C (28:58)

I would never get.

B (28:59)

I didn't think it would hit me. It hit me.

C (29:00)

He still keeps hitting you.

B (29:02)

Yeah, hit me.

C (29:03)

Well, that's the thing. Every time you have a new one, you reset the clock.

A (29:07)

Yeah.

C (29:07)

So when the ones at the end, are their clocks coming? That's. No, that's the.

B (29:12)

Well, the thought. The thinking is this. At this time next year, if all goes right, there's only three of us left in the house. That's freaky.

A (29:22)

Not an empty nest, but close.

B (29:24)

I mean, that's the last time there was only three of us in the house was 24 years ago.

A (29:31)

That's a long time ago, man.

C (29:33)

Do you ever see the. You probably don't, but that the. There's this video that goes around in the algorithm. I get. I get some, like, young, you know, parent stuff.

B (29:41)

Of course.

C (29:41)

And one of them is. I forget who, but it's a really nice man's voice doing the voiceover, showing all these dads and their kids as babies and getting older.

B (29:51)

And it says, says as your.

C (29:52)

As your kids get older, everyone wonderful phase is replaced. You know, all these different versions of your baby go away.

B (30:01)

Yeah.

C (30:02)

But the thing is, you never get to miss any of them because they're immediately replaced by somebody. Next version that's even better. Until the day they leave your house, in which case all of them leave at the same time.

B (30:14)

Yeah.

C (30:14)

And that floors.

B (30:16)

Yeah.

C (30:16)

I mean, devastates.

B (30:17)

There's that, and then there's also coming to grips with the idea that you are raising someone to never depend on you, to never need you. If you do it right, then they won't. There's going to come a day where they won't need you. That's when you know you did it right. Which is the craziest thing to think about.

C (30:36)

Totally. So to think that they could have a bad day where they're like, really unhappy and yet okay enough to not call you.

A (30:46)

Yeah.

C (30:47)

They just go to bed.

B (30:47)

They can handle it. And that's when you know you did it right.

C (30:50)

Right.

B (30:51)

But it's brutal, of course, because you're like, what? Well, you didn't call me. You didn't call me. No, I didn't want to bother you. What do you mean you don't want to bother me? It's my job.

C (30:57)

Anyways, we went out, we took. We had a little family Moment today, for whatever reason, yesterday, the Starry Night came up in my house, the Van Gogh painting. And my dad looked it up and was like, oh, Starry Night is back at moma. And so, Natalie, it was like, let's go. Let's go tomorrow. Let's create memories. Let's go tomorrow. And so my dad. My dad's knees bother him. So he didn't come. He stayed at the hotel. But so me, Natalie, Maya and my mom all went to MoMA today before the show.

A (31:29)

That's good.

B (31:30)

Nice.

C (31:30)

And saw Starry Night together. I gotta tell you, when you walk into a room and you see either the Mona Lisa or Starry Night or Sunday in the park with George, any of, like, the biggest ones, it really is like, I'm not.

A (31:42)

I'm.

C (31:43)

I'm by no means Mr. Art, but when you walk in and you actually see Starry Night on the wall in front of you, it is a bizarre feeling.

B (31:50)

But you were in Paris twice.

C (31:52)

Yes.

B (31:52)

Did you go to the Louvre?

C (31:53)

No, I wasn't in Paris twice. I was in south of France once in Paris. I did not go to the Louvre this trip. And that's part of why this came up.

B (31:59)

Okay. That's. When you walk in there, you're just like.

C (32:02)

And by the way, the Mona Lisa, it's a hack job. I don't care for it at all. But being in the room with it and seeing it, it's still one of the most iconic.

A (32:11)

I feel like when you walk into a museum and see a painting in person for the first time, it almost. It's like running into a famous person. Yes. Like, you've seen this person on television and pose to it, now they've come to life.

C (32:27)

So true.

A (32:28)

And that's what's so weird about that. About that. Right. Like, it's. It's pretty.

C (32:32)

Like the Mona Lisa. When you go to the Louvre, the Mona Lisa is sitting in this big room. And as you get close to it, obviously you see the crowd get bigger and bigger.

B (32:39)

And it's smaller than I thought it was.

C (32:41)

Yeah, it's small and it's just sitting on a blank wall by itself. And obviously we all know what it looks like. It's not the most. I don't think it's, like, the most impressive thing you've ever seen. But, yeah, it's a famous perk.

A (32:51)

It's the most famous. Like, what's the comp?

C (32:53)

There aren't many. Like, I saw the Stanley cup when it was. It was at the seaport. It's neat to See the Stanley cup, it's cool, but it goes everywhere you see it. People are drinking from it. Alex Ovechkin's taking it to restaurants all over D.C. it's whatever. When you see what. There aren't a lot of comps for the Mona Lisa. For an item that has that much history. That much. I mean, the Declaration of Independence.

B (33:16)

Yeah, that's pretty.

C (33:16)

That would be a pretty crazy one. As an American, that's a crazy one to see. But there's not a lot of things like that.

A (33:21)

Yeah, no, just like.

B (33:22)

Just like the Lombardi at Florin park, you know, you just don't see many of it. You don't see much of it at all. No, it's lonely, it's dusty and it's.

A (33:31)

Not going to have a friend.

C (33:33)

Noli Lombardi, that's what we call him. He's got no friends.

A (33:36)

Well, thank you for bringing it full circle because I guess Aaron Rodgers was with a reporter and avoided questions about Rodgers. Oh, by the way, Sunday, Pittsburgh comes to town with Aaron Rodgers, the former Jet.

B (33:49)

When you looked at film, I'm sure.

C (33:50)

Probably before you got here, you looked.

A (33:53)

When you were deciding whether to keep.

C (33:54)

Him or not, what did you see.

A (33:55)

On film about what he has left that's been gone. So I'm not going to answer questions about guys that's not here and what I saw right now, I'm looking at what our guys can do. So, like, just like I said, just like I said, I'm not going to sit there and answer questions on what I saw back then. That does it. It's not relevant to right now. Well, it's actually relevant because you decided you didn't want him and now the guy you didn't want, you're playing against. So that's the thing about. Again, I. It always comes across like I don't like Aaron Glenn or I don't think he's going to be a good coach.

C (34:25)

I'm not a fan.

A (34:26)

I just don't know what the end game here. Well, I know what he's hoping for, that the intimidation and that the buck stops with me and all that stuff. But it's a legitimate question about, hey, you're scouting the other teams, you're a defensive guy, so you're watching Rogers play now. But there's no film on Rogers as a Steeler other than the handful of preseason games you watched him or let me ask you this. Did he. Was there ever an evaluation of Aaron Rodgers and them saying, no, I think we're good, or was it Immediately. Doesn't matter. He's gone. I don't think he watched one second of film on Aaron Rodgers.

B (35:04)

If I was to guess, I'm going to say that that decision was not based on football.

A (35:10)

No, it was based on.

B (35:12)

It didn't matter what Aaron Rodgers looked like at the end of the season. They wanted out of the business of Aaron Rodgers because they wanted to, you know, I don't know, take back control, if that makes sense.

A (35:23)

Because they gave him control.

B (35:25)

Yeah.

A (35:25)

All right. And you. If you want to send a statement that we now have a new boss, I keep using it. I feel like it's a crutch at this point when I say new sheriff in town. But that's the deal. You couldn't do that with Aaron Rodgers in the room.

B (35:39)

Yeah.

A (35:39)

All eyes would be on Aaron Rodgers. Aaron, what do you think? But now it's a no. It's all about. So I don't even think. I think the reason he avoided the question was, hey, I never looked at any film. He was gone. He was gone the second I got here. And I think everybody in the organization wanted that. Heck, I'll go as far as to say, maybe Glenn wanted to watch film, wanted to think about a scenario in which to keep him. But that was never on the table. The organization wanted him gone, and Glenn was probably on board with that. I'm cool with that. But if they had said, we want Rogers to stay here, I wouldn't have to be like, I'll make a work.

B (36:14)

He paid enough attention to everything, but.

C (36:16)

Didn'T have to be that.

B (36:17)

Have to be one.

C (36:17)

I'm sorry. Aaron Glenn, in his current situation, when he was getting this job, whatever version the jets wanted, he wanted. Oh, you want Rod.

A (36:26)

What stroke did he disagree? What do you mean?

C (36:28)

He was gonna say, no, I, Aaron Glenn don't want Aaron Rodgers anymore.

B (36:31)

Yeah.

C (36:32)

And they would want him that bad that. Aaron Glenn.

B (36:34)

Do you remember. Do you remember the coach process? Do you remember the jets search? Yeah. No one wanted the job. No one wanted.

C (36:42)

But you think that still Aaron Glenn.

B (36:44)

Is that desired he had. I know he had options, but he's an alum. It mattered. It meant something. No one else wanted the job. He had a resume because he had one of the best defenses in the league. He was a great guy, level defensive coordinator who worked his way up from scout all the way up to where he was with the Detroit Lions. And it all made sense. And again, he had the parcels influence. And I'm telling you, I don't think this was Woody Johnson. Said we're not going to keep him. I think this was him coming in saying, I'll take this, but I need to be in full control. Which means we can't have magnets like that in a locker room sucking power and influence from me because I think he. You know what, that goes on here in New York.

C (37:26)

But by the way that. That your theory goes.

B (37:28)

You think it matches him perfectly?

C (37:30)

Perfectly. That's that magic.

B (37:32)

But by the way, my theory.

C (37:33)

But it's stupid because. Because as much as Rogers annoys me too. You're telling me that another year removed from the injury, Rogers couldn't have been better than Justin Fields this year?

B (37:42)

I don't think it mattered. I think.

C (37:45)

But it's weak. To me that's weak.

B (37:46)

It's an obvious. It's definitely something on the table. But correct me if I'm wrong, you guys tell me if you know this is the best theory I can come up with without knowing all the details. And this is what I come away with is no one wanted the job and this was a slam dunk hire for all reasons. And Don, you've said it. How Jet fans are now standing in front of him and making human shields for any criticism he gets. Tells you everything you need to know. Woody Johnson had every. He had the players saying he was the worst owner in the sport. Think about how much criticism Woody Johnson was taking at the end of last season. Remember? And then no one wanted the job. Then they bring this guy in. Breath of fresh air guy who understands it. Parcels connection was there during the. Some of the glory years or at least the better days. And that was a sense of hope. Oh, he's a Jet through and through. He's not some guy coming from the outside who doesn't get it. Robert Sala didn't understand New York. Aaron Glenn understands it. So all of a sudden is anybody saying anything about Woody Johnson anymore? No, it's all gone. They gave him carte blanche. Yeah, well, and they were right to do it.

A (38:53)

But I think Rogers was going to be gone no matter who the coach was. That's why it became an unattractive job. Because now I'm just going to a place doesn't have a quarterback.

C (39:01)

Right.

A (39:01)

If I got Aaron Rodgers, I might want to go see if I can't sneak a few wins in my first year. And then we kind of figure the quarterback sitting out.

B (39:09)

I think nobody wanted to deal with him.

A (39:10)

Nobody maybe. But you made it less attractive by Rodgers not being there because now I don't have a quarterback. They weren't going to be drafting a quarterback.

B (39:18)

The Rogers thing wasn't decided until after.

A (39:20)

Glenn, but I, but I believe that was all by design to make it seem like we've got now a new sheriff.

B (39:29)

Well, you can't, you can't commit to that because it's up to the coach. Woody. I thought he said that it'll be up to the coach what we do a quarterback.

A (39:35)

But I think when they sat down the understand, I'm sure Woody Johnson's like, you know, we plan on moving away from Aaron Rodgers and But what I don't know is, was Glenn like, oh hell yeah. Or really? All right. Like I don't. I don't know.

B (39:48)

I don't think we'll ever know because they'll never talk about it.

A (39:50)

No, they're not going to do that. Although it does seem like Roger's anger is directed towards Glen. But that just could be, you know.

B (39:57)

By because of the meeting they had. That was not a good meeting.

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B (41:27)

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

C (41:30)

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

B (41:32)

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B (42:14)

Be there.

A (42:16)

Today is my 24th anniversary. 24 years today, I was the first voice of radio station. Not just my anniversary, it's the anniversary of the whole shebang.

B (42:25)

The whole damn stage.

A (42:26)

This whole damn thing started on September 3, 2011.

C (42:30)

That's right. That was the day the music died. No, that we first went on the air on 880 ESPN.

A (42:36)

No, no, no, no. We were on.

C (42:37)

That was the day we were first on 98.7. That was the first day we were on 1050 ESPN.

B (42:45)

Allegedly.

A (42:46)

Damn right we were on 1050. We were at 2 Penn Plaza, right above Madison Square Garden. Boy, I missed.

B (42:52)

What a glorious location that was.

A (42:54)

It would just be so easy.

B (42:55)

Oh my God. Please don't.

C (42:57)

Oh, Alan.

B (42:59)

My God.

A (43:00)

Oh my.

B (43:00)

Life changing.

C (43:01)

Think about your life for so many reasons.

B (43:03)

It's amazing that when I started working here, they decided we're gonna move away from this location. And so.

C (43:08)

Wait, so not only would it have been you just take the train in every day, an hour, but then also your MSG thing would have just been.

B (43:15)

Like walking and walk upstairs, walk downstairs.

A (43:17)

Yeah, it would have been. It would have been crazy. And Phil Boyce was the program director, which was basically handed him because he was the program director over at ABC and.

B (43:24)

How dare you.

A (43:25)

We went through a lot of buildings, a lot of program directors, and now we've settled here in Soho with John Winthrop and we're on 880, which is our third signal, so lots. But 24 years is a long time in radio, man. So I had some pictures in my phone that I just tweeted out a lot of repug Don. Back in the day, not one of these nice people that I'm taking pictures with ever took me aside and said, don, do something with yourself.

C (43:53)

None of them care. None of them cared for it.

A (43:55)

But it's always fun as we, you know, get, get past Labor Day and get into it. That it's the anniversary. And I'm one year away from the big one.

B (44:08)

We should start planning the 25th anniversary party for Don La Greco.

A (44:14)

And that's when I get my Tinkerbell statue. And really, that's. That's the 25th, by the way.

C (44:19)

That's the reason John Winthrop even works here still.

B (44:21)

Oh, yeah.

C (44:21)

He just wants the tickets.

B (44:23)

He just wants all the statues, the gifts. No, seriously, shouldn't we start planning the 25th anniversary?

A (44:28)

We should. We got a ways to go. We got a calendar year, but we're celebrating this thing 25 years on the air. This startup station that nobody thought could succeed is around going on 25 years.

B (44:39)

We're gonna need a year to prepare this.

A (44:41)

Let's get it. Especially with the people that are gonna be preparing it. 1-800-919-3776. Let's go to Griffin in Connecticut. You're on ESPN, New York. What's up, Griffin?

B (44:51)

Hey, guys. First off, before I, I wrestle and help Peter, before I get to that, I have the. Alan. Yes. You. You watch the Yankee game, right? Yesterday, of course, the Astros literally did two stupid things yesterday that I was so happy they did that. Jeremy Pena budding in the third, and then when they're down six to one, bunning again. Yeah, that, that, that one was. They were. You could tell it was this idea. Well, the Yankees are bad at fielding Freedom. Freed made an unbelievable play die. First of all, he's falling off the mound that direction. He should have bunted down the first baseline. So it's a bad bunt. It stays in the air just enough for Freed to make a great diving catch. Then he gets up and throws an absolute bullet to first. Like that's, that's why he's Gold Glove as a pitcher. He Freed, that was a fantastic play. But you're right, Griffin. It's as if they wanted to put pressure on the Yankee defense because that's their M.O. oh, they're going to throw it around. And early in the game, Volpe did bobble the ball. But the rest of the game, they were very clean. They did play very clean. You've noticed. By the way, did you see all the Yankee fans in the building? I was really, really?

C (46:08)

How many?

B (46:09)

Well, I didn't count them, but it's it. When they were each home run, you could definitely hear an audible cheer. And it was, it was something because that's normally a house of horrors for them. And, and Frammer Valdez. I don't know how much you guys watch this thing. Him, he looked like he wanted to be anywhere but on that mound. He was annoyed with his catcher. Like, there was a lot going on in that game.

C (46:37)

We're getting into that n a bit too very strange.

A (46:39)

I'm not going to get, I'm not going to take anything away from the win. I don't think the Astros are a very good team. I don't know why they're in first place. But you know what the they took two out of three from the Yankees in the stadium. They've had the Yankees number. But I got to tell you, Detroit, they won today. They haven't looked very good. Astros haven't looked very good. But I'm like, again, I'm not saying that to take anything away from the win, but I don't know why Houston's.

B (47:04)

In first place because Seattle's not good either.

A (47:07)

Yeah, there's a lot. The American League's not good. Let's, let's face, let's not forget that, okay?

B (47:11)

The west and the Central aren't very good. The east is very good. The east has, the east is three really good teams. But you're right, each of the good teams are flawed. Give me the team right now in baseball that you look at and just say, well, that's they are far and away the best.

A (47:28)

The brewers are the best brewers, but nobody's going to give them any love because we've been down this road before and as soon as the playoffs start. And then the second best team is probably the Blue Jays. And again they unless you're going to go back to, you know, Joe Carter in 1993, what have they done in the postseason? So, but whatever, Yankee's still, you know, taking care of business. 1-800-919-3776 the BET game is over. They lose 62 in Detroit. So very shortly we'll be on 880. Right now we're app only on ESPN, New York.

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