Alan Hahn (1:06)

Did we catch the morning show?

Don Hahn (1:07)

We did catch the morning show. I caught a lot of them.

Alan Hahn (1:10)

I don't do this, I don't do this often because I'm very provincial when it comes to shows. I, I only like to promote my own.

Allen (1:17)

That's right.

Alan Hahn (1:18)

But I actually just shared Rick's first ever real rant. Like a real rant really, as a fam. And it was, it was so good. It was pitch perfect.

Don Hahn (1:28)

It was good.

Alan Hahn (1:29)

It was really good. And he, he hit all the points that, you know, again, I was making yesterday. And you guys are all like looking at me like, how can you not be happy? It's like. No, it's not. Not being happy. Like I, I felt like I walked away from yesterday's show, guys feeling like. I don't think anybody understood what the hell I was trying to say. What you're going through, it wasn't being, it wasn't being negative. It wasn't saying that they didn't do the right things yesterday. That trading the players they traded, but not trading the players they, what they got back. It was a no brainer, all of it.

Don Hahn (2:00)

Okay.

Alan Hahn (2:01)

But it's what comes next that is, I think, for, for a lot of us. And you heard what Rick was saying there, there's a, there's a skepticism that we have every right to have right now because of all the things that we know and all the things that we've seen in the past and the fact that here we go again with another rebuild. And don't tell me that this guy, like fans, is like, oh, Quinn Williams wasn't doing anything, and Sauce Gardner really isn't that good. Stop giving me that. Because you're going to see the NFL is going to be littered with former jets who are all playing well in their new places because they were talented. And the issue was more internal. The issue was more leadership wise. And now I want to see. All right, well, now that you're going to just turn the damn thing over again, are you finally going to build with the right pieces and show us something that is tangible that we can believe in going forward? Because right now all you have is cap space and draft picks. You don't know what they're gonna be.

Don Hahn (3:01)

I heard everything that you said yesterday, even though you accused me during the meeting of saying, I'm not listening to you. I'm listening to you. I'm listening to Rick. I'm hearing everything that you're saying. But it's unfair to judge this regime based on the past. Now, if you're gonna tell me, well, it's the same owner that, that I'm going to throw at you today what I threw at you yesterday, then get out. Because he's not going anywhere. Woody Johnson is not going anywhere. You can fly planes over MetLife Stadium. You can buy billboards up and down the Henry Hudson Parkway. He's not selling the team. So you've got to make a decision. As a fan, am I going to trust the football people, the new football people? All right. Muji's new. All right. Aaron Glenn is new. All right. Hasn't looked good for Glenn. He's teams one and seven. But as far as decision making, have they really done anything to make you believe this is going to go down the same path as it did under Idzig, under McCagnon, under Douglas, under all the history of losing, not being able to find a quarterback other than just the attachment of the past. Alan, what has this regime done to make you feel apprehensive about moving forward with these picks?

Alan Hahn (4:13)

It doesn't have to be about what they've done because it's an. It's new people, but it's because it's been new people every time. And every time there's this ridiculous sense that, I told you hope is a dangerous thing.

Don Hahn (4:27)

No, it's.

Alan Hahn (4:28)

And that's the problem. But you. You know what I take offense to you saying, then get out. Because you're the first guy to call people a fraud. That when things are tough, they bail on a team. You're the first guy to do that. You so to tell me to get out.

Allen (4:41)

Well, what's the point?

Don Hahn (4:44)

I'm not telling you to get out.

Peter Rosenberg (4:45)

No, no, no, no.

Alan Hahn (4:47)

I question everything now. That's what I'm doing. It doesn't mean that if they get it right, that I can't say. All right, we finally got somebody that knows what the hell they're doing. But until that comes, I'm allowed to question everything instead of just having this, this hopeless belief that this is going to be great. Look at all the draft picks.

Allen (5:04)

Okay, go.

Alan Hahn (5:05)

Awesome. Everything's going to be well. That would be ridiculous. There's no track record that says it will be.

Allen (5:10)

You'd be rid Alan if you were just like, oh my God, this is it. We're totally. I agree with you. However, on the flip side, to completely be like a skeptic of Muji and Glenn also feels a little bit unfair. You brought them in to run this team. This is going to be their first shot at really doing it. Frankly, I think even from the standpoint of judging Glenn not a terrible thing. You're going to get to see what he does in terms of putting this thing together. You have every right to be skeptical because they've been bad. But I understand what Don saying in that there's no way to come away from yesterday feeling anything but. Well, they did the best they possibly could have done with the day. Obviously it's not ideal. Well, you don't want to be here in November.

Alan Hahn (5:51)

I wouldn't deny any of that. I didn't want to hear. I did not want to hear this whole notion of now you can do all these great things. Listen, if you don't want to listen to me, can we play Rick?

Don Hahn (6:03)

I have it.

Allen (6:03)

Here you go.

Alan Hahn (6:03)

You want to hear Rick play Rick's rant and just see if it does align with the way I'm thinking.

Rick (6:08)

Do you have anyone on your staff in their resume says they're good at identifying and developing young quarterbacks? No, you don't. The answer to that question is no. It's another defensive minded head coach and a rookie offensive coordinator that are going to make this decision after just deciding that Justin fields was worth $30 million. Sorry for not being optimistic about it. I understand why you would feel like that. I. I can honestly, I understand anything. I can't stand fans like that. I understand why you negativity. I understand why you'd be pessimistic. I understand all of it. I Don't. I don't think there is a right way to act. We just did this.

Don Hahn (6:38)

Yeah.

Rick (6:38)

With the second overall pick and did well outside of that pick. Had five ones. Four of them you'd say you hit probably home runs on and a second round pick you hit on and, and you're still back to square one.

Don Hahn (6:49)

Right.

Rick (6:49)

Again now, full rebound now a full rebuild. And I can listen to my GM tell me it's about winning. How many games are you going to win now? And I told you you're going to win maybe two. Maybe two. And I told rj, like, like this, you know, you're years, years away from going to the playoffs. He's like, you think? No, years away. It's because it's the Jets.

Don Hahn (7:05)

No, I said.

Rick (7:05)

When I said what I said if you actually do hit on the quarterback and he looks the way that Jackson Dart looks, there is a chance that all of a sudden now it speeds up that process. But forgive me if I don't believe that the jets and this new regime are going to be the ones that figure it out.

Don Hahn (7:18)

Yeah, I agree with you.

Rick (7:19)

But if he calls and he says he has positivity, I think that's fair as well. He can have his positivity. You can. It's my faith. Well, it's. I mean it's just. Problem is it's always blind faith. But if it was like you're the.

Alan Hahn (7:32)

You would believe.

Rick (7:33)

Right? But it's not though, Right. And you're the sheep that keeps buying in because this is why they're able to do it. Your fans, they keep selling you hope. They made the playoffs in 15 years. They don't know how to win. They can't win. The only thing they can do is sell you a rebuild and hope. That's all we keep doing.

Don Hahn (7:45)

That's right.

Rick (7:45)

Cycle. That's right. It's a vicious. Oh, I'm excited.

Don Hahn (7:48)

You're an addict is what you are.

Rick (7:50)

Look at the value.

Alan Hahn (7:50)

Because you can't get out.

Don Hahn (7:52)

You can't.

Rick (7:52)

There is no fan base in sports that is more accepting of a rebuild than New York jets fans.

Alan Hahn (7:56)

We love it.

Rick (7:57)

We can't get enough of it. Oh, our best player. We got two first round picks.

Allen (8:02)

I like the lot.

Alan Hahn (8:03)

Have you ever heard him, have you ever heard him get that?

Don Hahn (8:05)

No.

Alan Hahn (8:06)

But he's never been like that. Ever. All the years I've worked with him and all the years I've listened since he has started doing this, he has always been somebody that has maintained control and always given you reason. He's always talked about what what a front office is thinking and doing and he uses his professional experience in what he's seen. I have never heard him lose it like that. And here's why. The guy you're believing in, the general manager. First of all, I want everybody understand something. Darren Muji, first of all, he's three years. He's an assistant. He was an assistant general manager. All right. Yes, he learned under the arm of George Payton in Denver. But he has been a college scout and then he was an assistant GM for just three years before he took this job. Keep that in mind. He's not making the final choice. He is not in charge. Everybody thinks the GM is in charge. He's not. This is Aaron Glenn. The picks will be Aaron Glenn's decision. Justin Fields was Aaron Glenn's decision. Just keep that in mind. So you cannot tell me that somebody that has three years experience as an assistant general manager is now going to come in and he's gonna just. What did Rich mean? He called it transformational day in franchise history.

Don Hahn (9:16)

That's right.

Alan Hahn (9:18)

So pardon me for being just a little skeptical that instead of having somebody with actual real experience and resume that I'm supposed to now blindly believe that this next rebuild is going to go swimmingly. It's. Oh, it's great. It's all going to go great. They have draft picks and there's no quarterbacks worth a damn coming out in this draft. None of nobody that you would start right away. So you got to also find yourself a bridge quarterback or somebody good enough to start. In the meantime, you better have a plan. And I also believe in what's being said that they don't even think about using draft picks to draft a quarterback. They're going to use some of this stuff to get a quarterback in a trade. Who is that going to be? And when I hear Bart Scott say Kyler Murray again, I'm sorry if I don't get excited and start wanting to buy a Kyler Murray jets jersey. Those are all things that don't excite me as a fan and make me feel like we're staying on the hamster wheel once again. And by the way, if this thing doesn't work, it's been 15 years. I make the playoffs, it'll be 15 years. If this doesn't work, we're going to be talking two decades of not making a playoffs. Two decades. Who does that? So I'm sorry if I don't have all the optimism in the world. I am skeptical. I'm going to sit back and watch. And all yesterday was, was doing the right thing to set yourself up. But the hard parts come in. The decisions that you're going to make that are going to transform the franchise.

Don Hahn (10:42)

But what did you want them to do yesterday?

Alan Hahn (10:43)

Not do anything or you want done, done, done, done. Stop. I. You keep doing this. I.

Don Hahn (10:49)

What am I doing, Alan? Instead of having a conversation with.

Alan Hahn (10:52)

No, you keep saying, what should they have done yesterday?

Allen (10:54)

I already told you yesterday was the.

Alan Hahn (10:56)

Right thing to do. Yesterday was the right thing to do. It's what comes from here is what I'm talking about. Nobody's criticizing what they did yesterday. It's the excitement that all of a sudden everybody has about it. That.

Don Hahn (11:10)

Who has that stuff. But I don't think anybody should be. I'm not telling you to be excited.

Allen (11:15)

I mean, are you referring to Samini saying transformational day?

Alan Hahn (11:19)

Well, Rich not excited. He's right.

Don Hahn (11:22)

I don't think he knows. I'm not saying that you should be jumping up and down and I'd be questioning anybody that would be jumping up and down, but you could still acknowledge that, listen, the right thing was done and we're going to see. But the fact that they've missed the playoffs, going on 15 straight years has only partial to do with this regime. It has to do with the previous regime. And when they began this season, and I told you this all summer long, that this team was not going to be any good. That's why they downplayed it. They didn't get crazy promoting Aaron Glenn, sending him around all over the place, because I think they kind of knew that this was a possibility because a new regime is going to come in and they're going to blow up. What was not working. As talented as the jets roster was, it was not working. You heard Riddick on earlier this morning. He's like, the one problem the jets don't have, they always had talent. That's why they're able to make these trades, because they didn't have the right talent. They didn't have the coach, they didn't have the quarterback. They didn't have the right talent in the right places. And that's why they didn't win, because ultimately you want to win. And you knew going into the season that you weren't going to win. Except a few Jet fans are like, I think this team might be able to win eight, nine games. Well, those were the people that were deluded and they were delusional people. And then. And took it out on the jets when they didn't do that.

Alan Hahn (12:40)

The Jets.

Don Hahn (12:40)

This was going to be the plan all along in my mind. This was going to be the plan was going to come in and he was going to blow it up. He was going to get rid of of the players that weren't working for them, get as much draft capital as possible to finally get the talent in the right place. Because the thing the jets have been missing forever is a head coach and a quarterback. We'll find out about Aaron Glenn. So far, not great, one in seven. But as far as finding that quarterback, that's what it means. All this other talent doesn't matter if you don't make it work with the quarterback. And so they're trying to find that. And it might take a little bit and it's going to probably take longer than you want it to. But it's not Muji's fault that this team is the playoffs the previous 14 years. It's not Aaron Glenn's fault. You hope that they're going to get it right, and you've got to allow them to try to get it right. So I understand your apprehension because the jets history is not great. But if you focus on Mujee and you focus on this regime, I think that you should have some hope, because it's not Douglas. If this was Douglas, I'd say, hey, this is the guy that picked Zach Wilson. This is the guy that picked Robert Sala. This is the regime that couldn't get it right. Well, we don't know that this regime can't get it right. And I wouldn't pigeonhole them with Justin Fields, because I think Justin Fields a part of, hey, maybe we'll catch lightning in a bottle. If not, we've got the ability to blow it up. And we're not stuck in some contract that's gonna hurt us from doing that. So why not skew positive? That's all I'm asking you to do. I'm not asking you to jump up and down. I'm not asking you to celebrate Christmas Day. I'm just skewed. Why can't you skew positive?

Alan Hahn (14:09)

Can't skew.

Don Hahn (14:09)

Well, that's on you, man.

Alan Hahn (14:13)

I give you credit, Don, because you had been from the very beginning that kept saying it over and over again. These guys aren't trying to win. You're going to see. And there's a reason why Aaron Glenn was drawing a lot of attention to himself to keep you distracted from everything else going on. I give you credit because you had been saying it all along. You have been Screaming it to anybody who'll listen. And there were a lot of people that were talking about how I think this, this roster is good, they could win seven, eight games. And that that's the problem is that, you know, what you mentioned, Joe Douglas, the Zach Wilson decision and also the decision to move on from Sam Darnold, those were the decisions that really not those were what took him out. Because to be honest, he had a pretty good roster. McGraney said it yesterday when he was on with us. The jets aren't the worst team in the NFL. They're just. I can't exactly remember this quote, but it was fantastic. The way he put it is that it's not the worst roster, they're just a bad team. And it's really. That's the part that frustrates you is it's not like they kept missing on picks, they just missed on the quarterback. And then they made a bad decision deciding to take one at two that wasn't ready or good enough to be a starter in the league. And how do you not recognize that in your pre draft process and then let a guy like Sam Darnold go instead of just continue to work with him and build around him? They found talent and now all that talent's going to be somewhere else.

Allen (15:34)

Oh yeah, no, they've been. They've been.

Alan Hahn (15:35)

But I can't help but think that you're telling me that this regime hasn't done anything yet. That to find fault with the Justin Fields decision was a terrible decision.

Don Hahn (15:44)

Well, but hold on.

Allen (15:44)

But let's. I feel like the Justin Fields decision is now getting changed.

Alan Hahn (15:47)

Changing Breece hall in any previous year should use him. A lot of things that's going on.

Allen (15:52)

Justin Fields conversation is changing now that things have transpired. At the time the Justin Fields deal was done, he was an affordable piece to throw in and try at quarterback and see what happens.

Rick (16:04)

Now.

Allen (16:05)

The way you and Rick are talking, they invested their lives into Justin Fields and were staking their future in him. I think they knew exactly what it was. We want to move on from Rogers. We don't want to deal with that circus. We're going to see what happens with this guy. And if it doesn't work out, they probably knew we would be heading towards blowing it up. They rolled the dice. How much less are you doing than 15 million? Who are you putting out as a starting quarterback for much less than they gave Justin Fields.

Alan Hahn (16:28)

Well, it's still going to eat up. It's going to still eat up dead cap money. If you Move on from him. And you still have to also convince people to come here and play. Well, unfortunately, things are going to be very hard to do.

Don Hahn (16:36)

Well, listen, unfortunately you said dead cat money. I don't know, maybe he's here next year. He's got another year left on his contract. It doesn't look like they have any intention of being great next year either. It just also adds to the value of what their first round pick will be next year. It's not going to be pleasant here, guys. It's going to be a bad couple of years. But you know what? You know who you thank for that? You thank Robert Sala, you thank Joe Douglas. The one thing I'll say is it's the same owner, but maybe these are the guys that are gonna get it right. History's on your side. They never seem to get it right. But you admit it. This was the right thing to do. This regime came in here. They had to change over what had happened in the past. And they've got to at least open the door to find whoever that next quarterback is going to be and the talent that you got rid of. Even if you kept them, Alan, and stayed competitive, these are guys that are not going to be helpful to you once you eventually do turn the corner. You're going to, you're going to have to give the contract to Quinn and Williams. That's. Yeah. Now you don't have to do that. And you gave Saul Scarter the contract to get the two first round picks. A lot of good happened yesterday.

Alan Hahn (17:46)

A lot of good happened as far as what you got back.

Don Hahn (17:48)

Yes.

Alan Hahn (17:49)

Now you have some things to work with, which includes cap space and of course draft capital, which are two valuable things. I still say currency of hope, but that's the whole idea is it's what you need when you're trying to do a reset and when it's a new regime they never want to build with other people's players. You know, that's, that's what, what Dable and Shane did for year one. They had success and then they had to get their own guys in and how's it look since then? But I cannot help but just wonder, like all these things that need to be done. I'm going to look at an NFL and see that, you know, the jets actually did have good players on this roster. They just couldn't win with them, which isn't a player issue. It's a, it's another issue completely. And that's the part that frustrates me the most. And that's why, again, the skepticism that still exists within me is because now I have to get to a point where I can't have hope or believe in something or I. Or have optimism. I am literally in the place now of you got to show me. Well, you got to show me. I'm not going to get excited until you show me.

Don Hahn (18:47)

If I remember correctly, alone, I think you like the Darren Muji hire. When they did it, I thought you liked it. Am I wrong? I thought when they hired him that you, you, you felt good about it.

Alan Hahn (19:04)

I'm sure I did.

Don Hahn (19:05)

You know, so. And I don't think there's anything.

Alan Hahn (19:07)

It was somebody that worked under someone that knew what the hell they were doing. George Payton.

Don Hahn (19:11)

Right. So. And I don't think he's done anything to change or should have changed your mind about that. Now, Aaron Glenn's different because he is the head coach of a team that's 1 and 7.

Alan Hahn (19:22)

Yeah. And I don't think. I'm telling you, I don't think Muji is a. Is a final say guy on personnel. I think it's Aaron Glenn.

Don Hahn (19:29)

Well, we don't know that. I'm not saying you're wrong.

Alan Hahn (19:31)

I believe it.

Don Hahn (19:32)

But I do think a lot of things. This, again, just my opinion as you're expressing your opinion. I do think a lot of things are put on Glenn's shoulders intentionally because he's the man. Like, Aaron Glenn came in here and they wanted to change the culture. So why not bring in a guy that had success here that the fans love? And it feels like every decision that was made from Rogers being gone to Fields being here, seems to be placed on his shoulders by the organization because he's the message carrier. He's Aaron Glenn. He's the known commodity. Nobody knows Darren Mujee, the hole in the wall. Before yesterday, I'm sure a lot of Jeff fans wouldn't even be able to pick him out of a lineup. But Aaron Glenn, they know he's got blood in the ground, as you like to say. So I'm not sure Glenn's making these decisions, but I think the jets wanted the world to think he was making the decisions because he's a brand name that the fans can trust. But I still believe Moogie is pulling a lot of strings. Unfortunately, I think the owner, Woody Johnson's pulling a lot of strings. And that's where I think your lack of confidence makes sense. Because at the end of the day, if you got bad ownership, you're not going anywhere. But in the interim, you Want to make sure you've got good football people in there. And I don't think there's anything that's happened to make you believe that Darren Mugi is not a good football guy other than the fact he's the general manager of the jets and they never seem to hire the right guy. But it is possible that he's the right guy in theory. And if he is the right guy, yesterday was a glorious day because this is gonna be an opportunity to finally change it and move the needle, and we'll see. I understand your apprehension, but I do think there's enough there to be positive about doing what had to be done and just hope they get it right. Hope sucks. I get it.

Alan Hahn (21:23)

But I think the foundation of a lot of it is exactly what you just said is the. Is the ownership and knowing how much he's hands on and the concern of, as long as that guy is in the room, part of decision making. How can I possibly trust that they're gonna get it right? Cause that Zach Wilson pick, now when everybody had all these conspiracy theories about, oh, well, it's got JetBlue family thing, and I was like, that's ridiculous. Who would do that? And now the more, you know, the more you start going, maybe that's not so crazy. Can you imagine making a decision at the number two pick of the draft based on that?

Don Hahn (21:56)

And listen, I, you know, I. The Fraud Fridays and everything, I never encourage anybody to quit on their. But I'm just saying, if you've had it to the point where nothing they're going to do is going to get you excited or get you happy and that you've given up to that point, well, then, then, then you got to go, man, because what pleasure is this team ever going to give you? Because Woody Johnson's not going anywhere, you know, so that's why I brought that up. Allen, I don't want anybody to give up on their team. It'd be fraudulent if you found another team. But I can understand the Jet fan saying, listen, none of this ever works. I'm not. I'm not going to bother anymore, because as long as he's the owner, we're never gonna win.

Alan Hahn (22:32)

Well, it did work. It worked when Rex took over and Mike Tannenbaum was in charge. Mike Tannenbaum knows what he's doing. Like, you started to see. Like, it did start to work.

Don Hahn (22:43)

That's why the Maras worked when they got young in a Corsi. Like, that's the one thing that you can hang your hat on. Is that even the worst owner in the world can eventually step in it and hire the right guy. And if he hires the right guy and does the right things, you can overcome the bad ownership. Remember, you know, Woody Johnson, as you just said, was the owner of the team and they went back to back championship games. All right? So you gotta hope that this is and I know you hate the word hope, but that's all you got at this point. And you gotta do what you gotta do.

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Alan Hahn (24:49)

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Allen (24:52)

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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Don Hahn (25:02)

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Alan Hahn (25:42)

And they got everybody hurt too.

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Alan Hahn (25:59)

Let's do that. By the way, if the Nets don't win tonight, everybody, like, I'm looking at their injury report. Nobody's playing. No McConnell, no Nemhard, no Top in, no Matherin. We already know Halliburton's out. I mean, my God, like, if you don't win tonight, and Jordy's a good coach, but these guys have got to, got to get this win today anyways.

Don Hahn (26:17)

Not good. And we were, we were talking off the air. I hope you don't mind me bringing this up, but like, they've got a tremendous, tremendous broadcast on both radio and television.

Allen (26:27)

Who's that?

Don Hahn (26:28)

The Nets. I mean, they're, they are absolutely terrific on both sides. We've talked about Iron Eagle and. Oh yeah, and Ty Eagle, Chris Carino on the radio. Y haps Straw. They, they and I. Because I, when I got back from Anaheim, you know, I popped on their broadcast driving home because it was the only game going on that night. I'm like, man, this is. They deserve better.

Allen (26:49)

No, it's, it's parking a Ferrari in the garage.

Alan Hahn (26:51)

Yeah.

Don Hahn (26:51)

Like what Michael used to always say. It's hanging a Mona Lisa in the garage. It. It's because they're so. And it just, it's got to be tough, man. Right. Like nobody's ever. Allen had to do with some miserable Knicks seasons. And we've all been there. But to just know that it's not about this year. It's. It's been a lot of losing since they tried to put it together.

Alan Hahn (27:10)

Seriously. But you, you know, the feeling is like, when you are going through like years where the team is just non competitive and you got to do these broadcasts and it's like you feel like you got to turn water into wine. You know, like every miracle possible.

Don Hahn (27:22)

Just a great gig. Nobody. Nobody feels like. No, but.

Alan Hahn (27:26)

But you still got entertained people.

Peter Rosenberg (27:27)

But.

Allen (27:28)

That's right.

Don Hahn (27:28)

The point is, I'm driving home and I just had it on, you know, And I don't have a vested interest, but it's a good broadcast, and they're making it sound big because that's their job. And it's not worth it because you can't make it into better than what it is. But they do because they're professional and they're really good at what they do, and they deserve a chance to just have a better team. So hopefully, at some point, a little turnaround for the Nets. Let's get to the busy phones. Let's start it off with Danny in Centerpoint. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Danny?

Danny (28:01)

Hey, guys.

Peter Rosenberg (28:01)

You know, Alan, Listen, man. You know, you and I go back, and you got a lot of hours together, and we've been in jet purgatory for a long time, man. And I'm with you. Believe me, I'm with you. I think, you know I am, because, again, we've had a lot of talks. And same with Rick, man. I mean, I have a lot of talks with those guys in the morning. And I get it. I am totally getting where you're coming from. But God Almighty, I am so lockstep with Don, it's not even funny. I mean, and again, Alan, you know, I bleed hard, man, but I'm going by what we have in front of us right now. And to me, this man just did what he had to do. He had to put his stamp on his team. He has set us up like we're supposed to be set up in a complete rebuild. I hate the rebuild. Right? Don and Rick said it. Alan. Rick said it perfectly as well. I'm sick and tired of the rebuild. But you know what? We didn't go get McCarthy. We didn't go get a proven guy. So this is what we're dealing with. And we have to judge this man on what he's doing. And to be perfectly honest with you, please don't think I'm crazy. I think he's doing a pretty decent job. He's made a couple of questionable calls, no doubt. But the guy's got to learn, right? He's a new coach, making decisions for the first time. But as far as judging him wholeheartedly, right? He really hasn't done a bad job. That draft picks this first time around hasn't been bad. Right. I Mean, he's putting us in a position at this point to do anything we have to do, whether it be trade up and get the picks that we need or stock them all together and go get a stud from another team. But the bottom line is we have that ability at this point because of what he just did. So I'm. Bro, I am with you 100, Alan. You know I am. I can't take the rebuild, but I think this man just did what he had to do for the future of this team and put his stamp on it. And I want to give him the reins that he needs and I think we deserve to give him the reins. But yeah, I'm sick of it myself because it's going to be a few years more purgatory. But this is where we have to start and unfortunately, it's what we signed up for. I'm not giving up. You know, the flag still out there. I'm still getting ridiculed. I still look like a fool where my jet stop, but I'm doing it and I have to lock in and I have to hope that this guy's pedigree from being a player, then being a scout, then being a coordinator has molded him to do this the right way. So, I mean, I just. That's where I am, Alan. And you know I love you, man. And. But Don, you're 100% right. Don't. Don't judge this man on the. The demons of the past because he wasn't part of it. Give him what he needs and he's taking a shot. And you know what? I'd stock them all together. Allen and I would go get Joe Burrow, tell the Bengals he has all the picks I just got yesterday. Give me Joe Burrow. You don't want it, then you're a fool. But I would take that guy because he's the stud and he's the guy we need if we can keep him upright. So thank you as always, guys, and I appreciate it.

Alan Hahn (30:53)

Again, to make it clear this is not about yesterday and, and the job done. That was a good job, especially getting the second pick from the Colts. That's excellent. That, that's a. That's a.

Allen (31:03)

Three first round picks on free agency.

Alan Hahn (31:06)

Is a good day. And having all those draft picks over the next two drafts, that's all that value is there. That is all good. And I never doubted any of that. I never said anything negative about what was done. It's what comes next and we're back in that place. And you know, you could hear Danny's fighting it. He wants to believe because he's a Die Hard. He wears it on his sleeve, literally. And so he has no choice but to believe. I at this point now, I'm a skeptic because. And I'll be the first one, the minute it starts to turn, I'll be like, you know what? I didn't want to believe it, but he did it. And good for him. If it works, I'll be the first one to say how surprised I am, but pleasantly surprised. But at this point, that's what I have to be. I almost have to be a pessimist because I know the inevitable failure is coming. And that's my problem right now. Until it turns, until something shows me that it is not the same old Jets. That's the only reason why it's hard for me to just turn around and go, oh, this is going to be awesome. Look at all these great opportunities and great options that they have. I'm exhausted from years of doing this. And we just did it a couple of years ago.

Don Hahn (32:14)

Jaquan in New Jersey says he's the one that set Rick off this morning. You're on espn.

Rick (32:19)

I'm good for you, man.

Don Hahn (32:20)

How are you, buddy?

Danny (32:21)

Hey, what's going. Hey, what's going on, fellas? Man, I love the show as always. Peter, Don, you guys, I mean, afternoon show. Bart and Han, I love it. And I love the morning show as well. I think we're really set Rick off. And Rick, the moment I said something about Aaron Rodgers and I said that it wasn't going to work, that was the first cut off. But my thing was, I said this about maybe two, three years ago, I told him, I said, jets fans really want to say something. Let the stadium be empty. Rick and Dave jumped me. They was like, oh, between the PSLs and that they don't get no from that. But now we come back full circle and now I'm being called the sheep because I'm loyal to the team that I said three years ago, if you want change to stop showing up. So, like, I don't understand that. Like, I don't believe that you're a sheep, because I'm not.

Don Hahn (33:05)

I.

Danny (33:05)

And I said this also earlier that Aaron, Glenn, Darren Muji, they're not the Jesus, they're not the Jets, Jesus, they're not, you know, they're not paying sin for the past mistakes of the regime. Like, yes, as a Jets fan, Rick, I told him you were the Islander and you came here. You got cool with Chad Pennington. I've been doing this for 30 plus years. I get it. You think I want to rebuild. I don't. But what good is it being negative and saying same old jets before it even gets a chance to show itself? I said we took a flyer on Justin Field. If he hit or he didn't, it was the fact that he was 26 years old and it was something fresh. Aaron Glenn and Aaron Rodgers. I don't believe that was going to work. So we took a flyer on Justin Field. It hasn't worked. We're one in seven. We didn't win with Sauce. We didn't win when Quinn. And I'm not. Not. I'm not going to knock those guys as if they weren't great players, but if we could get two ones for Sauce and a lot of fans feel like he fell off a little bit. What, you're not going to take that? You got to want it. We didn't have a two next year. We got Dallas's two now and we got that for Quinn and Williams. He didn't want to be here. So just get. All I said was just get a man a chance. If we're wrong, if we're wrong, I'll eat my worries. But at the end of the day, we've been wrong.

Don Hahn (34:16)

So what.

Danny (34:17)

What good is it just to be negative if you got a chance to just give him a chance? That's all I was saying to Rick.

Allen (34:22)

It's a fair point.

Danny (34:22)

I guess he just went off.

Allen (34:23)

Well, listen, I.

Don Hahn (34:24)

It's.

Allen (34:24)

It's a different perspective.

Alan Hahn (34:25)

I love what you did because I've never. I've never seen him that unhinged on the air before. And I stress on the air before. To see that side of him and the fan of him come out and the frustration come out I thought was cathartic. It was made for great radio. But it was also, I think, extremely genuine.

Don Hahn (34:47)

Oh, there's no question about it. It was not performative of all. He doesn't do those things.

Alan Hahn (34:51)

He doesn't do that. No.

Allen (34:52)

Well, listen, some people are going to be positive in this spot and some people. I can't be the person who dictates how a fan chooses to handle their fanship. But I just think that if you are a fan and you want to remain a fan, we can't alter reality. The jets season is what it is. You have a moment now where they won a game a couple of weeks ago, they go on a buy, they get three number one picks at the deadline. Maybe they go be Cleveland on Sunday and you Feel like, hey, considering we're living in perpetual hell the last few weeks, not so bad. Now, if you get a few bucks in your pocket, what you could do is head over to Amazon. Use Amazon Pickup.

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Alan Hahn (36:13)

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Allen (36:17)

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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Don Hahn (36:26)

So we're talking about a rebuild and clearly that's what it is. The jets traded off a bunch of talent. They, you know, this year is pretty much over and you know, next year is not looking very bright either. But Darren Mujee said not a tear down. That's why we kept whole wouldn't call.

Alan Hahn (36:41)

It a tear down. And I understand the question, but do these processes. We talk about a lot of things and we, we field a lot of calls and we've got values and Breece a talented player and he's going to help us compete and win games the rest of the season.

Don Hahn (36:54)

Now, I feel, guys, it's, it's a tad bit disingenuous. Okay? It is a tear down, all right? And you kept Breece hall because apparently, according to reports, the highest offer you got was a 4th rounder from Kansas City and you wanted something no lower than the third round. So listen, if Kansas City offered you a third round, then he's probably gone. So let's not make it be like, oh, we kept Breece hall because it's not a tear down. There wasn't a complete tear down because you weren't able to get the assets you were looking for for Breeze Hall. Now, Bree spoke today. Did you have A desire to be traded.

Breece Hall (37:29)

I think there's just been a lot of stuff out, you know, from just stemming from the summer. There's been a lot of stuff that's true and false. So, you know, I just let that be what it is. It's out. It's out there. It is what it is. But, you know, I'm here and I'm worried about, you know, we're playing Cleveland this week. That's what I'm worried about.

Alan Hahn (37:42)

Did you ever request a trade?

Breece Hall (37:44)

No.

Don Hahn (37:46)

It sounds to me like he would have been perfectly happy to be traded.

Alan Hahn (37:50)

No one's telling the truth here. Moogie isn't telling the truth, and neither is. Neither is Breece. And what do you expect? Like, what? Again, we love when you have transparency, and we love that, but in this situation, it does Breece no good. And it's certainly for Muji. He can't come out and say that they're not trying to win. The league doesn't want you to say that. So he has to say, oh, no, of course. No, it's not a full tear down. We're still trying to win games. It's important to us to win games. He has to stay that. There's no. No GM could come out and just be like, well, no, look, proof's in the pudding, right? We just got rid of two big players, of course. What do you think we're trying to do?

Don Hahn (38:25)

His owner just raised ticket prices last week, you know, so what are you supposed to do? I'm not. I'm not mad at him. Just saying that, you know, we're calling for what it is now. Breece was asked the $64,000 question, asked if he'd like to be back next year.

Allen (38:39)

You want to be here next year?

Breece Hall (38:40)

They'll have me. Yeah.

Don Hahn (38:42)

So have there been any talks about.

Breece Hall (38:44)

No talks. Like I said, I'm focused on balling on Sunday, letting the rest of it take care of himself.

Don Hahn (38:49)

And that's the right answer because he's here and he's here for the rest of the year. Right. And there's a very good chance he's going to be here next year, so he doesn't want to blow anything up. Remember, Wilson said all the right things when the Giants made Dart the starting quarterback because he knew there was no exit strategy. So as long as he's going to be the backup, he's got to say all the right things. But I'm sure if Breece ends up someplace during the off season or if he signs someplace else eventually, the Truth will come out that he was disgusted on that day because it went from him being on a team that had a chance of being relevant to a team that, let's face it, he's going to be spending a couple of years of his prime as a running back at a team going nowhere. You will.

Allen (39:27)

And maybe, you know, running back prime could end up being, what, six years if you have a good career.

Don Hahn (39:32)

What is he, 24 now, Alan? Or just turned 24 whole?

Allen (39:36)

Yeah.

Don Hahn (39:36)

He's very young, so he's still pretty.

Allen (39:38)

I mean, we know that window's short. Is there a world, though? I'm not saying that they would do this, because the answer is, no, they wouldn't. But is there a world where you could have an honest conversation where you just say, hey, I love being a Jet. I planned on being a Jet. Obviously, things have changed in terms of the way the future looks. We traded away some big pieces. This is gonna be a project. And, yeah, it's hard for me right now to know that I could be a ways away from being able to compete for a title. That's what I want to do.

Don Hahn (40:09)

It's interesting you say that because the last cut we have.

Allen (40:11)

Go ahead.

Don Hahn (40:12)

Would he have welcomed a trade away? Okay. From the Jets?

Breece Hall (40:17)

I mean, I don't think it's up to a player to be traded. It's not really some guy's dude. It's not really. Yeah, but it's not really like, you know, I think in my situation, it was, you know, if I was going to be traded, it was going to be whether I wanted to be or not. So were you hoping to be? Nah, it's just like I said it was. If it was going to happen, it was going to happen whether I wanted it to or not. So it was one of those things where I was like, I mean, I can't control what's going to go on. It's going to be what it's going to be. So I just got to be where my feet are and they'll take it with a grain of salt, whatever happened.

Alan Hahn (40:45)

Well, he sounds thrilled, doesn't he?

Don Hahn (40:46)

Well, what he sounds. What he's saying to you is whether I wanted to or not wasn't going to matter.

Alan Hahn (40:52)

Right.

Don Hahn (40:52)

If I walked into Woody's office, that trade me, then it wouldn't have happened any more or less than if he didn't walk in there at all. He didn't have any kind of a say, like in slap shot. What do I say? Trade me. Trade me. Right. Blanking now and Then hang up the phone.

Alan Hahn (41:09)

And then he goes, thanks. He hangs up the phone.

Don Hahn (41:13)

If he had done that, it wouldn't have mattered. I mean, they were going to do what they're going to do. So it's. Acceptance is the word that I get from Breeze Hall.

Alan Hahn (41:21)

Oh, yeah.

Don Hahn (41:21)

Just accept reality.

Allen (41:23)

Even though I'm saying I'd love to hear him say the truth, I just want to say I totally understand what he's doing. And you know what? He's also thinking, hey, this might be my home for the next few years. I don't want fans to ever think it's a totally respectable way to handle it. I just. We know it's not true, and I don't. And by the way, Breece, from the three of us, we don't blame you. We feel you've been nothing but a good soldier and it's a tough spot to be in.

Alan Hahn (41:45)

Now. Think about this, too. Braylon Allen doesn't get hurt. Do they move him regardless if they take the third? Because they still need somebody to. Right. You need somebody if Braylon Allen doesn't get hurt. Braylon Allen's good, probably. Right. I don't know if it's official yet, but, I mean, I don't think he's coming back this season. Yeah. So, like, right. Doesn't it feel like that? Like, that's also part of the reason, like, yes. We can't really afford to not have a running back.

Don Hahn (42:08)

Right. You got to feel the team.

Danny (42:10)

Even.

Don Hahn (42:11)

Even if your sole purpose isn't to win the game, you still have to have a roster. You still have.

Allen (42:16)

You know what's interesting at you?

Don Hahn (42:19)

All right.

Allen (42:20)

We know they're a couple years away from trying to compete in earnest. Right. Does that part of it make you say, screw it? Let's just hope they win as many games as they can the rest of the way. And, Don, try to remove the fact that you always prefer a team to win and not intentionally lose. But, like, if they come back and win again on Sunday in Cleveland, if you're a fan right now, do you not want to see them get to two wins? Allen has already stated, and no less of an authority than Mike Greenberg seems to echo the same thing and many others. There's not a lot out there. And if you certainly, if you don't end up past one, there might not be anything out there at quarterback, because that's the case. Would you rather just see if you can win for this coach a bit? Build a little coach.

Don Hahn (43:03)

See, you're looking for. What's the Motivation to lose. Motivation to lose. Get as high a pick as possible. But we know that might not mean anything. Winning tells me maybe this coach is good.

Allen (43:14)

That's what I might rather see that.

Don Hahn (43:16)

Because ultimately what you're looking for, all these picks you hope to do is be able to find a quarterback or at least give yourself options for a quarterback. The other thing you're gonna have to find out is if you have the coach. Now, they just gave Glenn a contract, so the hope is that the jury's still out on him. So yeah, if I'm, if I'm a fan, I root for them to play well and I'm rooting for Aaron Glenn to be the guy because the idea that they're going to get rid of him after one year, I just don't. I can't see it. I just can't see that it's going to be done in one year. Vinnie in Staten island disagrees. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Vin?

Danny (43:53)

How you doing?

Peter Rosenberg (43:53)

Guys? Guys, this is not a tear down. You got rid of Source Gardner who hasn't been on the field all year and is playing terrible, and you got rid of Quinn and Williams who hasn't had a good year in three years. It's not a tear down. You just got five number one picks. It's not even close to a tear down. You got so many pieces on offense on this team. Listen, Justin Fields, probably not the guy. You go out, you got a guy like Jacoby Brissette who's tearing it up in Arizona, okay? You get a quarterback with Garrett Wilson, you got two number one picks next year. You got two of the best receivers in the draft. You got a good tight end, you got Braylon Allen back. You have something on offense. Now the problem here is Aaron Glenn. It's. It doesn't look like he's the coach. It just doesn't look like he's the coach that can do it. He just makes too many idiotic mistakes and he's going to really have to learn a lot. So in that case, gotta stop saying it's a tear down because you really got rid of nothing. The guy who's going to come in.

Allen (44:52)

But you can't say Quinn and Williams is not. There's no world where you can say Quinn and Williams is nothing.

Don Hahn (44:56)

You can't be one. You can't be one in seven. Get rid of two of your best players. Not quality.

Peter Rosenberg (45:00)

Just as good, if not better. Well, how, how do you know? Interior off defensive lineman. What does he have one sack this year.

Alan Hahn (45:10)

He doesn't. Okay, stop.

Don Hahn (45:12)

I'm not gonna argue.

Alan Hahn (45:13)

We did the same thing.

Don Hahn (45:14)

We're gonna get into the semantics of it. I'm on board with you. They did the right thing. Okay, but.

Alan Hahn (45:19)

Right.

Don Hahn (45:20)

In order to make your point, you don't have to disrespect the players that got sent away, all right? Sauce Gardner is a good player. He's having a good year. All right? Now, whether you want to get into the semantics of. Tear down what? You're one in seven with these guys. Okay. And start. You know, you're talking about quarterbacks don't even have. Now, I don't know if Glenn's the guy. Obviously, if I'm going to judge it on record, you say, no, he's not the guy. You know, they're 1 in 7, but the idea that he's gone at the end of the year, I just don't see it. I don't see it. They've invested a lot and we'll see. They still have nine more weeks to change hearts and minds.

Alan Hahn (45:56)

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

Allen (46:00)

I don't want to know how the.

Alan Hahn (46:00)

Sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good. Here, more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.