Hour 1: Jets HC Rumors

Summary

Summary of "Hour 1: Jets HC Rumors" - Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast

Release Date: January 21, 2025

In the inaugural hour of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast, hosts Don LaGreca and Alan Hahn delve deep into the rumors swirling around the New York Jets' search for a new head coach (HC). The conversation primarily centers on Aaron Glenn as the leading candidate, exploring both his qualifications and the potential challenges he may face in the high-pressure environment of the Jets' franchise.

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1. Introduction to Jets Head Coaching Rumors

The podcast kicks off with a brief acknowledgment of the lack of a show the previous day and sets the stage for a robust discussion on the Jets' coaching situation.

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2. Aaron Glenn as the Front-Runner

Aaron Glenn's Candidacy: Don LaGreca introduces Aaron Glenn as a prominent candidate for the Jets' head coaching position, highlighting his history with the team and his strong desire to return.

• Don LaGreca [06:23]: "He's a former Jet. That's a check. A check that he really wants this job and he seems like he wants it badly."

Pros of Hiring Glenn:

• Familiarity with the Team: Glenn's history as a former player and defensive coordinator for the Jets.
• Strong Relationship with Quarterback Aaron Rodgers: Potential for cohesive teamwork.
• Passion for the Franchise: Demonstrated through his eagerness to take on the role.

Cons of Hiring Glenn:

• Lack of Head Coaching Experience: Concerns about his ability to handle the pressures of a major market like New York.

• Team's Recent Performance: The Jets have struggled since 2010, raising questions about whether Glenn can turn the tide quickly enough.

• Don LaGreca [07:59]: "But use the inexperience and it scares me. But everything else seems to make it a fit. But I just can't get over the inexperience."

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3. Historical Context: Rookie Head Coaches in the NFL

Rare Successes: Alan Hahn provides historical context, noting that rookie head coaches leading teams to the Super Bowl is exceedingly rare, with only three instances in NFL history:

1. Jim Caldwell with the Indianapolis Colts
2. George Seifert with the San Francisco 49ers
3. Don McCafferty with the Colts

• Alan Hahn [12:14]: "If you don't know off top your head, guess, is it zero? I'll give you zero to three."

Comparison with Glenn: Don counters by emphasizing that the success of these coaches was buoyed by already strong, championship-caliber teams— a scenario not mirrored by the Jets.

• Don LaGreca [34:09]: "This is a Jet team that has been to the playoffs since 2010. They've had one winning season since then. So the three examples that you gave…"

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4. Listener Insights: Keyshawn Johnson's Perspective

Support for Glenn: Keyshawn Johnson, a former player, joins the conversation to advocate strongly for Aaron Glenn, citing his comprehensive understanding of both offense and defense.

• Keyshawn Johnson [17:40]: "He's going to be demanding, the coach is going to be in place. And what you're basically getting is this. Parcels, Belichick, Sean Payton, Dan Campbell mix. That's what you're getting and that's a lot of success."

Addressing Defensive Concerns: When pressed about Glenn's recent defensive performance, Johnson remains steadfast, suggesting that one game should not overshadow Glenn's overall capabilities.

• Keyshawn Johnson [32:56]: "Okay, don't hire him then. Don't do it. … It's not reality."

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5. Alternative Candidates: The Mike McCarthy Debate

Pros of McCarthy: Don LaGreca introduces Mike McCarthy as a viable alternative, emphasizing his extensive experience and prior success, including a Super Bowl win.

• Don LaGreca [19:11]: "If I'm looking to finish above .500, I'm looking to get the most out of my team. … He's got a relationship with the damn quarterback, I'd interview him."

Support from Johnson: While primarily advocating for Glenn, Keyshawn acknowledges McCarthy's credentials, albeit remaining biased towards Glenn.

• Keyshawn Johnson [36:11]: "If Mike McCarthy's in the building and that's who you want to hire, I'm not gonna say that's a bad hire. No, not at all."

Potential Issues with McCarthy: Don raises concerns about McCarthy's fit with the Jets, given his previous stint with the Dallas Cowboys and the unique challenges posed by the Jets' current roster.

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6. Team Performance and Expectations

High Stakes Environment: Both hosts agree that unlike previous coaching successes, the Jets' environment demands immediate results, leaving little room for the typical "growing pains" associated with a new head coach.

• Don LaGreca [34:09]: "He's going to have to do good immediately. And that's tough. That's a lot to ask of a guy that was a DC his entire life…"

Aaron Rodgers' Potential Return: The discussion touches on the impact of quarterback Aaron Rodgers possibly staying with the Jets, adding another layer of expectation and pressure on the new head coach.

• Alan Hahn [24:08]: "But it does make you feel a little bit better about Aaron Rodgers that he wants, that he might want to stay. If he decides to play, it'll be here."

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7. Concluding Thoughts

Balancing Experience and Potential: The episode wraps up with a reflection on the delicate balance between hiring a coach with proven experience versus one with deep ties and genuine passion for the team.

• Don LaGreca [34:09]: "That's why this feeling what the feeling for this time around when you're looking for a head coach is bring in someone that just has experience…"

Final Endorsement: Despite concerns, there's a lingering optimism about Glenn's potential to revitalize the Jets, provided he can navigate the immediate challenges effectively.

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Notable Quotes

• Don LaGreca [06:23]: "He's a former Jet. That's a check. A check that he really wants this job and he seems like he wants it badly."

• Alan Hahn [12:14]: "If you don't know off top your head, guess, is it zero? I'll give you zero to three."

• Keyshawn Johnson [17:40]: "He's going to be demanding, the coach is going to be in place… that's a lot of success."

• Don LaGreca [34:09]: "He's going to have to do good immediately. And that's tough."

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Conclusion

The first hour of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast offers a comprehensive analysis of the New York Jets' head coaching search, spotlighting Aaron Glenn as a frontrunner while weighing the merits of alternative candidates like Mike McCarthy. Through expert opinions and historical comparisons, the hosts provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of the complexities involved in making such a pivotal decision for the franchise's future.

Transcript

[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

Han, Huge. No, but big.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And Rosenberg, I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don LaGreca]

This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.

[Alan Hahn]

This is Don Hahn and Rosenberg on 880 ESPN and the ESPN New York app 3:00 in the greatest city in the world. Don Lagreca, Alan Hahn here with you. Peter Roseburn's gonna join us at some point today because you. You. He's gotta call in after what he saw over the weekend. We didn't have a show yesterday, everybody. So welcome to Today, a Tuesday. What's up, Donnie?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, listen, everything's great. It was tough not having a show yesterday. It's. Oh, it's. It's always nice to have a three day weekend.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh yeah. Well, I mean, I did work. You did work yesterday.

[Don LaGreca]

And listen, I worked on Friday and Saturday doing Rangers pre and post. So listen, I don't have to apologize to anybody if I have a day off or you either.

[Alan Hahn]

No. At this time of year.

[Don LaGreca]

But it's tough. MLK day is a really difficult day to be off because it's following playoff football.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don LaGreca]

So I had a lot to say. I still have a lot to say today, don't get me wrong, because I spent most of the day thinking it was Monday when it was actually Tuesday. So it won't be hard to do. It's just that I did have some opinions that were bubbling over and my wife and children don't care. So I didn't have any place to vent them. So I'm really happy that we can do it together.

[Alan Hahn]

Do you do that? Like, I know Nancy follows baseball closely, but anything else, does she. Because Stephanie is a. She's a sp sports. Like she's interested, but she's not a die hard fan. Like she. When she was growing up, she was a big Mets fan. Like love the Mets, love the Rangers. Those were her teams. But she's not as much into it now because it's all about like, what's Zach doing What's Cali doing there?

[Don LaGreca]

Sports.

[Alan Hahn]

Gracie, like, that's. She's a fan of that stuff. So when I start going on about I'm watching a game, like, I'm watching the. The Natty last night, and she's like, you know, like what. What matters. Whether she has no interest whatsoever.

[Don LaGreca]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

So it's hard because I want to talk to somebody about it, which is why I go to the group chat.

[Don LaGreca]

Nancy's allegiance is to baseball and hockey. She's a Rangers, Canadiens fan.

[Alan Hahn]

Canadians. Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

She loved Patrice Breezewa back in the day.

[Alan Hahn]

Nice.

[Don LaGreca]

Patrick Waugh. And she went to the old forum and got to see.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, my God.

[Don LaGreca]

So she Love. So. But still, since the kids were born and the baseball team starts at 9:45 every day. Listen, she kind of fell out of it. She never loved football. She doesn't understand when there's a punt and the ball hits the ground, everybody runs in the other direction. And I'm trying to explain to her. And she hates basketball. She hates the squeak sneakers. So that's where we are with those two squeaking.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what does it.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Sneakers.

[Don LaGreca]

It bothers her. I don't know. I don't know. Listen, I know what question to ask and what not to ask, and that falls under the category of don't even bother asking.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I. I completely understand. Although, again, like I said, I mean, the. The. The. Like, there's. There's always those moments, though, that because she is a sports fan, there's got to be moments where it's just all of a sudden, you catch her looking at the screen and wondering, what the hell are they doing? Or. Or. That was amazing. And I love those moments because then we can both engage and it just. It randomly happens. Like, I'll sit there with her one time, like, and we'll watch whatever it is. Okay. A sportsman I'd be interested in, but because she was an athlete, she. That. That instinct kicks in, and then she starts reacting, and she'll get mad or she'll hear an announcer say something that'll set her off. Like, I. I love it because I just start laughing because I enjoy it. Like, oh, you're caught in now. Now you get it. You understand the world we're in now. That's what matters.

[Don LaGreca]

You just got to tie it in. Like, we'll get into the whole Patrick Mahomes of it all, but to get her to understand, I'd be like, Nancy, remember when the range when the Canadians were playing the Penguins and Crosby would bark at the official and his arm would go up. That's kind of what I'm going through here with Mahomes, getting all these calls. Like you got to kind of relate it to something that she can understand.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh boy. This is definitely going to be a conversation for later. 800 now. 193776 is the number. We're already at odds. You can see it now. Calls are part of the conversation. Got a lot to get to but we do done locally. Now there is something interesting percolating in Florham Park, Rich Samini and several other places. But we'll give Rich all the credit reporting that Aaron Glenn is basically meeting with the jets. His second interview, the only time, this is the only second interview they've given to a head coach candidate. And Aaron Glenn will be, or it could be at least this moment meeting with The jets today, 31 years after being drafted by the Jets. It's trending. Rich Samini says that he will be their next head coach. And that's not it. There's also a GM candidate that has some connection with Aaron Glenn. Lance Newmark, who has been a long, he's been in the league for a long time now. He would be a first time gm, spent the last year, this past season with the Washington Commanders but spent a ton of his career with the Detroit Lions. So of course had some time crossed over with Aaron Glenn there. He seems like he's the front runner to be the jets gm and maybe that's even what Aaron Glenn would prefer because again they have that time that they did spend together in Detroit. So this could be having any moment if it happens at any moment during our show, of course we'll get some meeting on right away. We've got some other people with perspective of this because a lot of people in New York certainly have great fond memories of Aaron Glenn. And all I got to say, Don, is this. We can, we can break down the rookie coach stuff in a minute. I'm just going to say this. If you, Aaron Glenn in his years with the jets they had five coaching changes. Wouldn't he of all people look at the jets and go, I don't know if I want that to be my first job because I've seen what happens there before.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, you put, you check all the cons and the pros right of any potential hire and there's a lot of pros. But what I would ask you, do the pros really mean that he's going to become a great head coach like one of the pros is he's as you like to say he's got blood in the ground.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yep.

[Don LaGreca]

He's a former Jet. That's, that's a check. A check that he really wants this job and he seems like he wants it badly. Maybe above other jobs, he's got a chance to maybe be the Saints coach. And I guess if they let him out of the room today, he'll fly down to New Orleans, dodge all the snow and then talk to them. And there's a possibility he can coach there. He wants to be a head coach, but it seems like he wants to be the Jet coach, which there's some attractiveness to it. But there's also a lot of pitfalls, the owner questions at quarterback and all that. So those are two major pros and of course the con is that he's never been a head coach before. And to me that overshadows everything else because it's still the great unknown, isn't it, Al? Now somebody. Bill Parcells was a first time head coach with the Giants and everybody's got to get their first gig someplace. But with the, with the work that has to be done with this team, with the kind of win now attitude they have with the roster that they have and with Aaron Rodgers likely coming back, it's a lot to ask a first year head coach to go through in the biggest city in North America for a team that hasn't won anything since 1968 and a team that hasn't been to the playoffs since 2010, that scares me. But there's a lot to like, a lot to like. And I'm not going to get crazy about what happened over the weekend. They had a lot of injuries to that defense. He had been a candidate long before the season even. Even started. So I'm not going to look at what happened against the Washington commanders as a negative to him getting the job. But what I will look at is the inexperience and it scares me. But everything else seems to make it a fit. But I just can't get over the inexperience.

[Alan Hahn]

Are you sure you don't look at that loss? It's the biggest stage and that's the last impression we have. And I know the turnovers were a big part of the story. I completely get it. But having 12 men on the field.

[Don LaGreca]

In a big spot, that's a bad spot.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a bit. It's fourth and two, you get that. Stop. It's three point game. I mean.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

How do you have 12? So that's what I mean when you talk about the experience. That's kind of what I'm saying is I liked him. I. Oh, he was one of the Jets. You grow up a Jet fan. He's one of the Jets. You liked. You know, what I liked about him was that he's, of course, famously part of that fake spike, you know, game with Dan Marino, which will never forget, which is just, you know, that'll kill you. But then two years later, he had an interception, 100 yards return against that same Dolphins team. So it's sort of like, okay, there's your fake spike. Take it and walk. So like, like, he. He was always good. He got to be part of some good years. When Parcells was there, Parcells loved him. So you had that. It's. I don't want to see a guy like this come in and get booed out of the stadium. I don't want to see a guy. Because Saleh came in in sort of the same way. The hot coordinator. Everybody loved his players loved him. He was a guy that seemed like he could do no wrong. He had the right ambition. He came to the podium, said all the right things, everything you loved. And then you realize that this CEO thing is a lot harder than it looks. And now all of a sudden, when he's focusing so much on the defense and he can't control the offense, his head started to spin. I liked Robert Sala as a person, but I couldn't stand him as a coach because he wasn't ready for it. And I don't want to feel like that about. About Aaron Glenn. And that's what I'm. And then when I watched that game and I saw the defense make the mistakes it made, but especially how it. Just like that, 12 men on the field really got me. That got me more than anything else because that's when I worried about it. The three for four on fourth down as well. You can't get a stop on fourth down. I know the commanders do that, but you guys do it, too. So you should, above anybody, should know how to handle fourth downs. Get off the field. They couldn't get off the field. They couldn't get that stop on 4th and 2 because you had 12 men, you gave them the game because of a clerical error. And that, to me, is what I worry about. Head coaches have to be very specific, detail oriented. Bill Belichick talks about it all the time. The first thing you do is you don't lose the game. That's what you, you know, you try to win, but don't lose it. And that's the type of thing that helps you lose a game. Yeah, those are little things.

[Don LaGreca]

Those are the little things. Now, let's just say for sake of argument that Aaron Glenn was hired by the Giants. Well, he'd have a ton of wiggle room, right? You don't have a quarterback. You just came off a, a lousy three win season and there's no expectations. You know, just try to be better, just try to get better than we were last year. Well, he's going to come in with a team. If Aaron Rodgers comes back with all the talent that they have, the feeling is going to be, oh no, you're not going to get much time to kind of, you know, feel your way around the job because if you turn out, would the jets win five games, Right? So you know you're going to be expected to do better because now they've got what is supposed to be a legitimate coach and you've got Aaron Rodgers and you've got most of your team coming back from last year and the feeling was they weren't. They went from poorly coached to not coached at all and that's why they won five games. We hired you because we think you're the man. So we're expecting more than five wins. And if you sit there and you make mistakes and 12 men on the field and not prepared like any rookie coach might be, well, then you win five, six games and it's oh my God. And you're starting thinking about maybe pulling the plug where if he's on a team that didn't do anything, his expectations are low. Allen, he might be able to get a year to kind of feel his way around. He's not going to get that benefit with the Jets. Expectations are always going to be high because of the talent that they have. So he won't have that wiggle room. So he's going to have to be good immediately. And that's tough. That's a lot to ask. A lot to ask of a guy that was a DC his entire life and he said all the right things. Hey, listen, I know how to coach in this league. I know offense. Any good defensive coordinator should know offense. You're studying offenses and how to stop them, but there's a lot of little tiny things that you have to do as a head coach. We're not even thinking about that. He's going to have to do. That's going to decide wins and losses and he's going to be expected to produce immediately. That scares the hell out of me.

[Alan Hahn]

Now. I'm glad you brought that up because I looked something up. Don, how many times has a rookie quarterback, a rookie head coach, led a team to the Super Bowl? If you don't know off top of your head, guess, is it zero? I'll give you zero to three.

[Don LaGreca]

I would. I'm just trying to think if I'm missing anybody. I would think if I had to guess, I would guess zero.

[Alan Hahn]

A zero is not correct.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay?

[Alan Hahn]

It's happened three times. The last time a rookie head coach led a team to the super bowl was Jim Caldwell with the Colts. Okay. Lost to the Saints. Before that it was George seifert back in 1989 with the Niners. Okay. Before that, yeah, it was Don McCafferty with the Colts back in 1970.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. Now the only ones to win it is Seaford and McCafferty. They actually won it and Seaford won it because it was already Joe Montana with Bill Walsh stepped aside and it was just like plug and play, right? They were back to back. They could have won three, but the Giants got in the way and they took out Montana. They were never the same again. But my point is this. It doesn't happen often. And when it does, by the way, here's the thing that the jets do not connect to any of these three. These three examples, okay? McCaffrey took over for Don Shula. Seyfer took over for Bill Walsh. Caldwell took over for Tony Dungy. One of these things is not like the other. And this team with a four year old quarterback if he is to come back. And all the. All the story is is that Glenn would be reportedly interested or want to have Rodgers come back and play another year. When you have that and this roster, I would think that you just said the expectation is okay. This is not a five year plan, this is now. And it doesn't happen this way. That's also my concern. Make any sense?

[Don LaGreca]

It's my biggest concern. Now. He might turn out to be the next great coach in this league, but we don't know. And listen, Bill Parcells was an amazing coach, right? A Hall of fame coach, went 312 and one his rookie year. They thought about pulling the plug after that. 83. God, the good thing they did. They went to the playoffs two years in a row and then the third year they won a Super bowl. Right? But do you want to have that kind of growing pain when you probably. If you do have Rodgers coming back, it'll probably be only for the one year. So you, you can't afford to have that kind of growing pain. And you just mentioned the coaches that those guys replaced. Look at the quarterbacks they had.

[Alan Hahn]

That's true too.

[Don LaGreca]

You're talking about Joe Montana. You're talking. That's that. You're talking about Peyton Manning.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

Now I'm trying to think of. Unitis was still there because he. Because he was kind of towards the end when they lost to the jets, but still two years prior, they were in the super bowl when they lost to the jets. Like, so this is a Jet team that has been to the playoffs since 2010. They've had one winning season since then. So the three examples that you gave. And I'll throw Barry Switzer in there too, because Switzer did go to a championship game his first year and then eventually won a Super Bowl. But that was a Jimmy Johnson team. That was a Troy Aikman, Emmett Smith, Michael Irving. Like they were a championship caliber team. They took over. So you're giving me examples of championship caliber teams that happened to bring in a young coach and they were able to be successful. That's not the case. Here is a team that has lacked success. This is a team that's been an embarrassment for over a decade and he's going to be asked to fix that and do it immediately. That's why I wanted somebody with experience, somebody that at least knows the ropes. This is not a great place to learn. This is not a great place to get thrown to the wolves. I hope he does well. I always liked him and I have a feeling that there's a good coach in there and I think this can be a good hire. But it just scares me. And then when anything scares me with the Jets. Allen, when are you ever unscared by something that they do? Right. Like.

[Alan Hahn]

Like it never. Yeah. You never get that sense of calm where it's like, well, I was worried but that concern went away. That doesn't exist, by the way. Unit was there in 70. Just checking. And Earl Morale, who, remember, led them to the undefeated season, was also the backup.

[Don LaGreca]

So, yeah, Earl Morrow is the quarterback that replaced greasy in the 72 ankle, right? Yeah. So we're talking about it. Yeah. Again, The Colts in 70, they went to the Super Bowl. I'm trying to see what their record was in 69, but it just shows you. 8, 5 and 1.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. As you're looking.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

We're talking about legendary quarterbacks now. Again, that's the one thing they do have, is Rogers is a legendary quarterback. But replacing a legend head coach. We don't have that situation here. But you do have the expectation of winning. So again, I'm rooting for it. But you. What you just said, I think is probably the best way to put it is that it does lead you to concern. That's why this feeling what the feeling for this time around when you're looking for a head coach is bring in someone that just has experience, that comes in, already has whatever they like to do, it's all set. I know what I want. This is what we're going to do. This is our structure and we get right to it. This is going to be a fresh start, a new start, and he has to establish and then figure out is this going to work or not because we've never seen it before. And so that's your concern. 800-9193776 so you hear ours, what are yours? Again, it's not official of course, but as Rich Meaning and others are reporting, it does feel like the jets are zeroing in on Aaron Glenn to be their next head coach. Let's begin with Charlie and Allendale today. Charlie.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Hey guys, thanks for getting me on. I mean, Aaron Glenn just feels like another, you know, Robert Sala, I mean an Aaron Glenn. He's not.

[Don LaGreca]

I know they had a lot of.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Injuries, but that defense probably gave up 30 plus this year. They gave up 27 the year before and something like 26 the year before that. So is he a defensive genius or, or. I'm just trying to understand why everyone's so high on Aaron Glenn. I mean, a lot of teams probably want him, but it just seems like something that jets would. It just seems so similar to what we're between Todd Bowles then Salah. You know, when are we going to get like a young offensive mind, someone who could, you know, build an offense?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's Ben Johnson and he took the job in Chicago. Like that was really the guy, Charlie, that you would have hired if you wanted to go with the offensive mind. Ben Johnson is supposed to. Was supposed to be that guy and he never even interviewed with the jets because he didn't. Had no interest in the jets and the jets then decided not to bring him in, not to waste any time. But Don, that was basically it, right? Mike McCarthy, like if you were going to go with, with retread on that kind of thing, the, the, you know, the experience in that way, McCarthy would have been the most logical way to go because he has that experience and of course the history with Aaron Rodgers. They both spoke fondly of each other and that been a plug and play situation. But they didn't want to go that route.

[Don LaGreca]

And I don't get it. Now, apparently he interviewed poorly before he had gone to Dallas. That's the report. Rich Somini had told us that when they interviewed him, it didn't go well. But that was Chris, not Woody.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

And you know what? I'm sorry. If Woody or Chris are interviewing somebody and the interview goes bad, I'm going to blame them. All right? How do we know they're good interviewers? All right? So I'm going to probably guess not. All right. But again, the resume speaks for itself. Now, I don't know if I were going to replace Dan Campbell, I'd replace him with. With him, because. With McCarthy, because I don't know he can win me another championship. It's been a long time since he did that. But if I'm looking to finish above.500, I'm looking to get the most out of my team. Yeah. With a guy with experience and I need to win now, and he's got a relationship with the damn quarterback, I'd interview him.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. Like, I. I'm just trying to get right, like, you know what I mean? Like, can we just get right. Because I get it that your roster suggests. And this was the last two years. All we've talked about is the jets being a Super bowl contender last year before the season started. Some people ranking the Jet Jet roster as one of the best in the league. And we. This is new to us. So of course, instead of just dipping our toe, we're just, you know, cannonballing into the pool. But we. Out. We have to understand, like, wait a minute. Like, this doesn't just. You don't wave a magic wand and suddenly you're a functioning franchise. Although I guess the commanders are telling us that's not the truth. But I just. Just get functional, not dysfunctional, which is just what it feels like it's been for too many years. Let's go to David and Elizabeth. Go ahead, David.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

What's going on, fellas? Hey, I'm really excited for new Mark and Glenn. I hope we hire him and they don't let Glenn leave the building. But I just want to ask you guys one question. Why is it that the team that's favored, and I'm talking about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs, why did they not call open calls on them, but they'll call it on every other team?

[Alan Hahn]

Don't get done, David.

[Don LaGreca]

We're going to save that for later. I got plenty to say about that. Why do you. Why do you love Glenn so much. I get new mark. 20 years in Detroit. His time has come. I'm fine with that. But what do you love?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, he's gone. I let him go. I didn't want him to get you fired. This is a conversation we're gonna have later about.

[Don LaGreca]

But I just, like, I don't let him leave the bill again. I don't, I don't. That I don't understand. Like, if you want to hire him, don't let them leave the building. We might not be able to hire him.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's what they're afraid. Oh, my God.

[Don LaGreca]

Really?

[Alan Hahn]

They're afraid because he'll go to New Orleans and then, you know, they'll. He'll end up there.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, but. But then doesn't that tell you. Doesn't that kind of tell you the real reason they want him is because he's a former Jet and he seems like he wants the job?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, done. This is not a high end job. This is not a job people want. This is a job because it's an NFL job. You know that the cliche. There's only 32 of them, so you don't turn it down, blah, blah, blah. But look at some of the names they have brought in. Is anybody. Did any of these names make you go, I want to hire that guy? Like, did any of these names blow you away?

[Don LaGreca]

And yet the people that would not necessarily blow me away, but at least raise an eyebrow. You bring in a Pete Carroll. I'm like, oh, that's interesting.

[Alan Hahn]

That's interesting.

[Don LaGreca]

You bring in a Mike McCarthy. Oh, you know, I like that. I like that thinking.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

You know, but they, those are.

[Alan Hahn]

Didn't work in Dallas, but okay. Like, it's, you know, it didn't work in Dallas. He won 13 games three years in a row. I think it worked. And then everybody got hurt this year. I think it worked. Did he mismanage late games and all that stuff? Was his weaknesses still there? Yes, they were. And I could. I'm on. But he also is dealing with Jerry Jones above him and the, the lunacy that is playing there where you're literally in a, in a. Like they're in a museum when they're there. Like, so it's, it's different, but I'm with you. That at least would have piqued my interest. Like, okay, you brought in a guy who's kind of, you know, he's got a track record of getting you organized and making you competitive, which is what the Dallas Cowboys were for three of the Last four years.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. And listen, I wasn't in love with Rex, but at least there was experience there, a little sizzle again. I just don't know at this stage of his life whether he's going to be able to turn it around. But I know he can handle Woody. I know he would get the fan base fired up.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

And you know what? The whole idea. Well, Don, I want to win a Super Bowl. Okay, well, first things first. Okay, can we just make the playoffs? How about that? Just get into the playoffs? How about this? How about this For a novelty finish above.500. You haven't done that since 2015.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I mean. You haven't been on a date yet, but you already want to get in bed.

[Don LaGreca]

Let's take one step, which, again, I admire. It's a trait that I admire. You know, you should shoot for the sun. I get it. But as a franchise, like I said, if you're a team that's primed to win a championship, but you needed a coach, I don't know if Mike McCarthy would be the guy that I go and get. But if I'm just trying to make the playoffs, if I'm just trying to finish above.500, just get my organization moving in the right direction to where the next time around, it is an attractive job because the team has won a little bit and has gained some experience. Got all these kids out. All these kids, a lot of talented players. They need some experience in the postseason. They want to be able to play and see what they got.

[Alan Hahn]

You want Garrett Wilson to, like, actually buy in again and look and say, okay, this is functional. I can be part of this. Because right now he's looking around like, this is like.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, I don't want to be around this.

[Don LaGreca]

He's looking to get traded out.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Do you blame him?

[Don LaGreca]

No. Well, no, because he looks at the history. He looks at the now, and it's not good now. I don't like players. I want. I want a player that's going to try to turn it around himself.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

But a lot of these guys want to tap out. That's just the way it is nowadays.

[Alan Hahn]

But if you see that, it's, you know, this. Like, this isn't going in the right direction. You could see it. Sometimes you look around like, yeah, one guy's not fixing this. Like, I'm. Like, I could show up early. All I want. That's not going to change the culture.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

There's just too much going against.

[Don LaGreca]

But it does. But, you know, the fact but doesn't it, doesn't it make you feel a little bit better about Aaron Rodgers that he want, that he might want to stay? If he decides to play, it'll be here. Yeah, because, because he can. I could work his magic and try to figure out another place to go, but if he wants to be here, that, that's a good thing, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I would think so. And again, it does, though, his presence does keep the, the attitude of you got to win. Because if he's gone, it does feel like suddenly this idea now you have to rebuild and that again, we've already been through it. How many times do you have to do it as a franchise and now with a rookie head coach in a rebuild, those don't normally work.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, no.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don LaGreca]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Don LaGreca]

Brown sure is a gem.

[Alan Hahn]

Isn't he, though? He definitely is. So Keyshawn Johnson's gonna join us here momentarily. You know, Keyshawn played with Aaron Glenn in the jets, and I'm sure they probably had to go up against each other in practice and whatnot. So they had the good years when Parcells was here. So there's some good memories there. But. Oh, he is. Okay, good. So Keyshawn Johnson joining us right now from. From la, his palatial estate. And we talked earlier this morning because for Keyshawn, there aren't many great memories of being in New York. But I got it. Got to feel like he. The years with Bill Parcell's with the jets had to have been your favorite time here.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

We've always had a great time in New York I beat up on the New Yorkers because they're always, you know, obnoxious and over the top about something. So I always give them a little, you know, a little ribbing. But nevertheless, that was the best time in New York football, as far as I'm concerned. As a Jet, it was when Bill Parcells was there because it was actual. It was real hope. It was a real understanding of a team and chemistry and a culture, all of those sort of things. And I know Rex did a tremendous job going to two AFC titles, but it didn't seem real. But then the other coaches, obviously the record speak for themselves.

[Don LaGreca]

So what do you think about the possibility of Glenn being the next head coach of the Jets?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I think it's the. I think it's the best possibility. It should be the only possibility. It should be the only certainty. I think if they hired Aaron Glenn, that means that they got it right. In my opinion. You got an ex player, not just an ex player X player played at the highest level. It was very successful at doing it. He's played special teams, he played defense. He's a defensive coordinator. He understands offenses because he has the game plan against offenses. He knows what a good offensive coordinator is supposed to look like. Okay? He knows what a good defense is supposed supposed to look like. He's going to be demanding, the coach is going to be in place. And what you're basically getting is. I'll sum it up by saying you're going to get this. Parcels, Belichick, Sean Payton, Dan Campbell, mix. That's what you're getting and that's a lot of success, but that's what you're going to get. Doesn't mean he's going to go to 10 super supervoles and. But he's got a lot of structure and understanding coming from those programs and what it's like to build a program. Dan Campbell went to the Detroit lion team that was basically Horseshoe. Know what? Okay. Parcels took over a Jet team that was 1 in 15. So when you start to look at Belichick in the Patriots and Sean Payton in New Orleans and you just look at the programs that they had to take over and the success that they had in doing that over a long period of time, he gets to pick all of those brain cells and utilize them to build his program. So I think if it's the jets that are lucky enough to hire him, they need to go ahead and get it done and stop messing around. I don't hear anything about no damn Josh McCowan and all get out of here. I'm playing. If you're really serious about winning and you're really serious about being a contender in the next couple years, hire the right guy and stop playing footsie.

[Alan Hahn]

Key. Do you put anything into what happened to Aaron Glenn's defense against the Commanders? It's like the last impression we have is 12 men on the field and fourth and two situation not being able to get stops on other fourth down situations. That defense getting carved up to a record number of points in a divisional round game. I mean is there any. Any concern about that? Because you know here it's the first thing we start. We start trying to find is all right what are the faults? What's wrong? What do we have to worry about? That wasn't a really good last impression.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Okay, don't hire him then. Don't do it. Go ahead, hire Josh McCall. That'd be perfect for you. I dare you to. You're looking at something that happened in the game. Okay. Dan Quinn is in the NFC Championship game. One of the last times he was the head coach he was in the super bowl. Surrendered however many points to Tom Brady and company. Things happen. He's working with. He's working with half a team because 21 players on IR from the defensive side of the ball and he's still out there pitching games defensively and holding offenses that was scoring a lot of points down to nothing. You can't. You can't get caught up in one or two games. Something going wrong. It's Kyle Shanahan. He. This team wasn't very good this year. So should the Samsung 49ers just look at the last couple games Kyle Shanahan and say oh well we don't like you anymore. You can't do that because that's not. It's not reality.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm less concerned about that. Keep. What concerns me is the lack of experience in a big market. Now you mentioned Bill Parcells. His first job was with the giants. They went 3:12 and one in his first year and they actually thought about letting him go. Good thing they didn't. That would have been a huge mistake. You bring up Dan Campbell. His first year in Detroit went 3131 like it's you and so the but you come in with this talent with possibly Aaron Rodgers coming back. I mean this is not New York and the jets don't allow you a lot of wiggle room to for growing pains especially for a franchise have been to the playoffs in 2010. It's a really tough first job for him, Key. That's the only thing that scares me. Everything you said is 100% dead on. I'm just a little worried.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Did it scare you? Did it scare you when her networks was his first job?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Did it scare you with Eric Mangini was his first job. Tom Bowles was his first job.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, you're not exactly giving me a list of guys that work here, Key.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I'm giving you bad hires is what I'm giving you.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, how do I know me at the time. But, but, but again, don't know. But if I don't know. So, but if I hire Mike McCarthy, whether you like him or not, I could say, or at least there's experience there. He's, he's won a Super bowl, he's coached in the postseason. Don't you want somebody with a little experience, considering the heavy lifting this job brings?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

But, but what? Your partner, Alan Hahn, didn't ask me about Mike McCarthy. Your partner asked me about Eric. You know, I've been doing this 20.

[Don LaGreca]

Years, but I'm, but, but I'm also defending my point about experience. That's all I'm saying.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

And the fact that you Bring up Mike McCarthy is a very valid point. If you are looking for an experience head coach and somebody who's done it before, who has a track record of winning, there's nothing wrong with Mike McCarthy. I'd rather Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy too, yesterday. But that wasn't the question. The question was about Aaron Glenn. But now that you turned it to Mike McCarthy, McCarthy would be a good hire, too.

[Don LaGreca]

But, but in fairness, when we brought up, you said you should hire Aaron Glenn right now, he's the best candidate for the job. We're talking about everybody.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

There was no mention, but there's no mention of Mike McCarthy. The conversation is Mike McCarthy just grew legs. 30 seconds ago, we wasn't even talking about Mike McCarthy. You know, we were not talking about other candidates. So if, if there are no other candidates, you hire Aaron Glenn right now. If Mike McCarthy's in the building and that's who you want to hire, I'm not gonna say that's a bad hire. No, not at all.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know how you feel about it, but I do miss our weekly ski. I, I, I did. I did miss this back and forth when we used to do it.

[Alan Hahn]

He told me he had. You told me you haven't gone back and forth.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

They're just trying to educate you guys.

[Alan Hahn]

Of course. Every day. He told me, Don. He told me he hasn't since, since he stopped doing radio because obviously now He's a big TV star. Now FS1, you have his show Speak, which is appropriately named for him. And it's, it's. He said he hasn't done a radio spot since he left doing radio with espn. And so first I was like, okay, so you're gonna be. The first show you're going to do is this one. But then I knew, like, he's going to come on. He is. As he said, he's very specific. I've learned this when I worked with him. If you ask him something specifically, he will answer it specifically. If you leave out a detail, he's going to tell you that you didn't include that detail. So that's why the McCarthy thing.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

But that's not my fault.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't say it was your fault. That's why I left answering.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I'm just answering the question that I was posed now. Now he says, well, but I'm a Mike McCarthy and now I can go into Mike McCarthy, which I think is a pretty good hire. However, I am a little biased to my teammate and I believe he would do a good job too. Look, I understand you look at New York City and I dare say anything negative about the rats running the streets, but at the end of the day, but at the end of the day, you gotta hire somebody, okay? And whether they long time head coach, first time head coach, no experience out of high school, you gotta hire somebody. And Aaron Glenn for me is the somebody that you should hire.

[Alan Hahn]

Key. What would you do with Aaron Rodgers if, like, if Glenn asked you, like, what do you think I should do? Should we bring him in? Should we keep him? What do you think we should do? What should they do?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I'm not interested. I'm not interested in Aaron Rodgers. I'm not. That's just me. I'm not interested. If Eric, we would ask me, I would tell him I'm not interested. And then I, and I like Aaron Rodgers. I don't know him personally, but when I see some of the things that have gone on in Green Bay and now in New York. Yeah, it's not really, I don't know that I really want to bring that back into my locker room, whatever that is. I don't, you know, because I don't have all the details and all the stories, but I do know a player was thrown under the bus, eventually traded. I do know a coach was fired and off of the coordinator, he was demoted. I do know he wasn't that minicap. He was In Egypt. Those things I do know. Do I want that in my locker room? And they won seven games last year and I think they won five this year. Zach Wilson was able to get him seven in our four time MVP was only able to get him five.

[Don LaGreca]

That is great.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I do know.

[Don LaGreca]

And I, and I thought it was. And, and I also didn't like the fact that. Not that I was in love with Robert Sala. Firing Robert Sala was a huge mistake. I think they win a few more games if they keep Salah. That was a tough spot.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Aaron Rodgers didn't know they were going to fire Robert Salah. Although he talked to Woody Johnson for an hour on the phone and he never talked about Robert Salas.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't put it past Woody going on because I don't think, I don't think Woody likes to be challenged. I really do believe that was a Woody thing.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I'm just saying, Don, that if I speak on the phone to you for an hour and I never mentioned Allen Hahn, then I think something's not right.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm just saying right now you're right.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

You know, I'm talking to you for an hour and I never mention your co host ever. I never even say hey, these days I just say nothing. We get off the phone and then Alan Hahn is working at msg.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean like, isn't that strange? Key. How the Lakers doing? I. I haven't looked at the standings lately. Are the Knicks better than them this year? I don't remember.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I think we're in. I think we're in the fifth of the sixth spot. Yeah, I think we're either five or six. I'm not 100. Sure.

[Alan Hahn]

Trading for Jimmy, I'm not really worried about.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I'm not really worried about the Lakers as it currently is constructed. But the New York Knicks aren't winning anything. And neither are the Nets and the Yankees certainly.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh no, don't go there.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Sorry. Oh no, certainly. You know. Oh my God.

[Alan Hahn]

Just buying everybody now. That's all you do. You're right. Big. You're just buying up everybody. Come on now.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

We buy everybody. But when the Steinbrenners were buying everybody, it's okay now Cohen's buying everybody with the Mets is, is. Is not a problem. But we.

[Alan Hahn]

He's only buying one, buying everybody.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Because everybody wants to play in Los Angeles and be part of the big blue wrecking crew. But you have a problem with that. That's interesting how that works.

[Alan Hahn]

Who are you going to sign next? Kirby Yates? I mean, how many relievers do you need on this team?

[Don LaGreca]

Done. Kirby Yates is done.

[Alan Hahn]

Kirby Yates is done now.

[Don LaGreca]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

What are we doing here? Oh, my God. I even have a league.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

What we're doing is we're building a team to compete for championships. That's what you do.

[Don LaGreca]

But it is interesting, Key, that a Yankee fan would complain about another team getting all the players. I do find that. I do agree with you.

[Alan Hahn]

That is very imbalanced. Good. It's not good for the sport.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Juan Soto, where. Where is he at?

[Don LaGreca]

Well, the Mets, but that's all the Mets have done. Leave the Mets out of this. That's my. That's my team. Let's pick on Allen. I thought we. I thought we had a united front there for a second.

[Alan Hahn]

No, not happen.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Well, Juan Solo had an opportunity to join us because we moved Mookie to second and put him in. Right. But he decided to stay in New York and be part of the little brother system in at the Mets to the Yankees. And we'll take care of both of them again this year.

[Alan Hahn]

That's key. Everybody gets some. If you. That's what Key does. He's never going to align with it. Everybody gets some. See what he does. I know this.

[Don LaGreca]

I. I am very familiar with his company.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

They're catching. They're catching up to the Dodgers. Oh, really? Oh, really?

[Alan Hahn]

I can't wait to talk to you during the baseball season, Key.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, thanks.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm glad I dragged you back into the radio business. It's always great to have you on, my man.

[Don LaGreca]

Thank you.

[Alan Hahn]

Thank you.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

No, I'm always blessed to come on with you guys. I always enjoy Michael K and Don and. What's the other? Rosenblatt, Rosenberg or something like that.

[Don LaGreca]

Had a baby.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah, Rosenberg.

[Don LaGreca]

He had a girl two weeks ago. How about that?

[Keyshawn Johnson]

His wife had a baby.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, you know what I mean, it.

[Alan Hahn]

Would have been all. It would have been front page news if Peter had the baby. We know that.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If Peter had a baby. I know something. The world is really changing before I. You got out of here. I gotta go, man.

[Don LaGreca]

That's funny. He is. He. He's all over the place in the.

[Alan Hahn]

Best way possible, my man. Like I told you, like, like people I have. I'd spent a long time doing shows with him and so many people have been say, like, they'll say to me, like, I can't stand. It's like, yeah, that's his. That's what he does. He comes on the air and he just. Who wants a slice that's how he is. But it's off the air. He's one of the best people you'll ever meet. I just, again, I reached out to him this morning, just get. Because I knew he played with Aaron, and I just asked, like, what do you think? And he starts going on and on. I'm like, all right, listen, why don't you jump on? I don't do radio anymore.

[Don LaGreca]

That's what he said.

[Alan Hahn]

Because I don't do radio anymore. I go, would you do it for me? He goes, yeah, what time? Like, that's just what he does. So you can see him on FS1. I had to tell you this Speak. But he also has a podcast, all facts, no breaks. You can listen to certainly, as well. So that's his perspective. And he said it like it's. This should be the only certainty the jets should hire him. But when Don brought up Mike McCarthy, you did notice that he did kind of say, well, well, that would be good too. But the jets did not get involved in that. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don LaGreca]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don LaGreca]

Warriors come out to me.

[Alan Hahn]

Don Han and R. Rosenbergs, Weekend Warrior. All right, Don, so who was your choice for weekend Warrior? I don't remember.

[Don LaGreca]

That would be Lamar Jackson. Yeah, I got wrong there. Boy, turnovers just kill you, don't they?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that. That wasn't good. And we. More on that whole story down in Baltimore, but. So my choice was Saquon Barkley. I feel pretty good. 205 rushing yards, two touchdowns. He also caught a couple of four passes for 27. And the Eagles get the win over the Rams in a snow globe. All right, there's that. And he also had some epic runs as well. We'll get to Peter had Jaden Daniels, who. I mean, you know, the kid had a day 22 at 31, 299 yards, two touchdowns, also rushed 16 for 51 yards. And then, of course, the epic 45 points that they put on the Lions. An epic upset win in Detroit on the road. And now we've got to decide who is your weekend warrior. So I guess you're gonna. You're gonna break the tie since you're out between Peter and I. I am out.

[Don LaGreca]

It's hard for me not to go with the quarterback. He's a rookie quarterback on the road in Detroit against the one seed. Okay, now, Saquon's numbers were Amazing. But it's.

[Alan Hahn]

He also had a run of 70 yards and I get it. That's in the snow.

[Don LaGreca]

I get it. Again, this is very, very close. I'm just giving you my snow globe.

[Alan Hahn]

Moment that you'll never. Are you kidding me? Like what a moment that was.

[Don LaGreca]

You don't think it's a warrior? He goes to Detroit?

[Alan Hahn]

No, no. Not when it's 4th and 2 and there's 12 men on the field and they give you a first and goal in a three point game. If they get a stop there, who knows what happens? You were gifted that possession. Sorry, I gotta feel like you gotta take a little something back. That's my point.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, I don't think the Eagles win the game if it's not snowing because then the Rams couldn't do anything in the snow and you still had trouble putting them away.

[Alan Hahn]

That's true. Because they're good.

[Don LaGreca]

So listen, but we're not talking about the teams, we're talking about the individuals. We're talking about a rookie quarterback in a hostile environment that you saw Sam Darnold freeze under.

[Alan Hahn]

True.

[Don LaGreca]

And Daniels, who's a kid playing in his second playoff game and now he's 2 and O in the playoffs. 299, two touchdowns. And also not for nothing, a couple of big runs for first down, 16 rushes for 51 yards. I would go with Daniels if I'm the deciding vote because I'm sure you're going to vote for your guy. Peter's going to vote for his.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

So I don't know if you want to get Jacob and Anthony involved.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, why don't we, Anthony? Well, look, I'll speak for John Winthrop. He believes that it is Daniels. Although it is close, he believes that Jaden Daniels does get the nod there. I could see it both ways, to be honest, but I'm sure Peter would vote for him. Don already voted for him. We have John on the side of Jaden Daniels. I think Peter wins two weeks in a row to start Weekend Warrior with Jaden Daniels.

[Don LaGreca]

How about that?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, hang on a second. Because if you and. Right. Let me say that'd be three. And then if you and Jake agreed with me, we'd be in another tie. So Anthony, do you agree with me or do you agree with Peter? I think I'm gonna go with Daniels.

[Don LaGreca]

Because it's the quarterback. Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Which is the inherent flaw in this because you're always gonna probably side with the quarterback. You also could fix things that aren't football related. I know that's Crazy concept. See, I was actually with you, Alan. I do think 70 yard run, by the way, was unbelievable. That was an impressive run.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, my God.

[Alan Hahn]

But, but that was the game.

[Don LaGreca]

Again, I am not in the snow. But, but, but I'm not going to say that I would have rushed for that many yards. The holes he was running through, as a Giant fan, they looked like there was a different sport being played. Like, I had never seen holes like that before. Like, so again, he's got tremendous speed, he can change direction. He is an amazing player. But dear God, some of the holes he ran through. Jet and Giant fans haven't seen holes like that in forever.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, I'm not going to push back too hard because I mean, it was pretty impressive, I will say that. Okay, But I, I don't. I. I just wanted to put up a fight. Only because Saquon had himself a day.

[Don LaGreca]

Makes like you got it of a fight.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I try to. Conceded is what it says here on the call screen in West Philly.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Man. God, I hate Keisha. Listen. Hey, Don. What's up? Play? I just got a couple questions for you, Alan. You like real quick on the trigger, so just let me rock. I'm real fast with it. I'm gonna get to my points, like the reason why I called and then I want to ask down a few questions. Like two questions. He can answer it. I'm going. But me personally, I don't agree with your Sports Takes island. But honestly, I think it's because of K and Peter. Like when they used to be on here talking about attractive men for whatever reason that is. Pause. They always put you on a pedestal. And I'm like. Like when I think of Alan Hein, like I think of Steve Martin and Roxanne. So I'm like, I don't get it. So it's like I'm a little biased on it. But when it. When, when the female called in last week. Because I listened every day when the female caught in last week and she was like, I bet on Detroit. Am I wrong for that? You're just like, oh my God. I mean, I've been on Washington. I'm just like this guy. But anyway. Hey, Don, listen, I just want to know, did you ever watch Narcos? I think you would love Nurkos. The only thing is it's subtitled, but it's. It's true, it's real and I want to see it.

[Don LaGreca]

I will. I will see it.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

No, no. It's devastating. I'm trying to tell you. But with like before the show ended, we're there. And I don't know if you can answer this or not, but were there any discussions about you and grass is taking over, like, ever?

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Don LaGreca]

Listen, you know how I feel about it.

[Alan Hahn]

Not only. Not only is making a crack about my nose.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

No, I'm not.

[Alan Hahn]

Now he's trying to get me replaced.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Honest with you. Like, that's. I. I just don't understand it. First of all, I. Culturally biased.

[Alan Hahn]

Culturally. Don't. Don't even.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

There's always white dudes. Like, oh, boy. Listen, I'm not.

[Don LaGreca]

Pause.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

I mean, I know I don't look at men that way. I'm just saying, like, when they constantly. Don. Wasn't really trying to get involved with it, but it used to happen all the time.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't get it.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Anyone.

[Don LaGreca]

Peter would do on you.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Yeah, they would do it all.

[Don LaGreca]

They wouldn't have you as high as Rick D. Pietro, but they would have you. Yeah, I don't disagree with.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, here's the thing, man. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Do you.

[Alan Hahn]

Do you. Do you think that. That ever. No, I know. Like, do you think that, like, I ever heard that stuff and, like, it. It made me react a certain way. I just.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

Nah. But. But this is what I'm saying. I'm really not trying to be disrespectful or anything. I'm just saying it bothered me when they kept doing it and they kept putting you up there, and I'm like, I understand.

[Alan Hahn]

So you're. No, you're saying it bothers you because you look at me and you're like, this guy is like. He's. He's ugly.

[Don LaGreca]

You never heard that before, but you.

[Alan Hahn]

Think I haven't heard that one? I've heard that one in Chris Isaac. Have you ever seen Chris Isaac? It's the same thing.

[Don LaGreca]

And both do exceptionally well. Roxanne ended up in the movie. He got the girl at the end of the movie anyway. And I. I got to give him credit because that's a great poll. It's a. It's a Steve Martin movie from 87 DAR. Is it.

[Keyshawn Johnson]

It.

[Alan Hahn]

It was a. I didn't hang up because he, like, it was. It's pretty good. But.

[Don LaGreca]

But listen, it's all about taste, you know, it's all in the eye of the beholder. I wouldn't get too upset. But when he goes, Roxanne. I don't look at your nose anywhere. Like, Roxanne.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, but that's what. That's.

[Don LaGreca]

Again, I'VE heard of the Bergerac kind of spin off movie so obnoxiously. I'm just for the people. I'm sure it went over 90% of our audience including our staff.

[Alan Hahn]

Just Google. Google will help you and you'll see it. Oh yeah, I could see that.

[Don LaGreca]

But but I it's fine.

[Alan Hahn]

I have definitely heard that before. It is funny. But I will let everybody know this and I'll leave it here. There's no harsh more harsher critic of myself than I am when I look in the mirror. I that is something that is true. Ask anybody that knows me well. So leave it at that. We got more to get to including Bob was what was super Super Box man like?

[Don LaGreca]

Oh you absolutely have to give away a super box.

[Alan Hahn]

You legit just put that Don has a Ramsey Mazda. He absolutely does. But yours takes precedent over that.

[Don LaGreca]

The contest baby.

[Alan Hahn]

This is all over the place. Well, we'll play the play Play Brown for me please. Can you play it?

[Don LaGreca]

I mean we didn't have that ready.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN. The ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.