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Don LaGreca
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Alan Rosenberg
Don, one day you're not gonna play football anymore. And if there's a God up above, it'll be soon.
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Chris Carlin
Han, Huge. No, but big.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Michael Kay
And Rosenberg.
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Alan Rosenberg
I didn't listen to anything you just said. This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.
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Michael Kay
This is Don Han and Rosenberg on 880 ESPN and the ESPN New York app.
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Chris Carlin
All right, let's get right into it. Don Lagreca. Yeah, we have some breaking news today. To get to a lot what we talked about yesterday, but at least we know now the future of the jets at the head coach position. And that will be Aaron Glenn. That is the report from Adam Schefter and several others, of course, as well. And so he has come home. He is originally a Jets draft pick. In fact, he did work for the team a little bit as a scout, but it's been a bunch of his career with the Detroit Lions with a defense this year that was very good. And I literally, as we're on the air, got a text from Keyshawn Johnson we had on yesterday, who was teammates with him with the jets. And he said, I am now officially a Jets fan. And that says a lot because Keyshawn Johnson had not really great things to say about his time with the Jets. How do you feel about this?
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Alan Rosenberg
No, but listen, those, those waters run deep, right? Teammates, you know, they were good friends. We had them on yesterday. He's like, this is a no brainer hire and I'm on board. I mean, listen, I want it to work. I think everybody wants the jets to get this right. Unless you just happen to be a, an anti jet guy. But I think everybody's heart's in the right place and everybody that we talk to, everybody that I've listened to does not have a problem with the hire. Beyond the inexperience. And no matter how much even Keyshawn is on board with the hiring of Aaron Glenn, the one thing that you gotta be a little apprehensive about is that he's never done it before. And this is a big boy job. You are not taking over. You are not taking over again. I don't want to. I don't want to throw any shade at a particular organization, but. But I'll give. I'll give this as an example. All right? The New Jersey Devils, they can go on a big, inordinately long rebuild. There's no pressure to win. I mean, they've got their fans, but there's no media hounding them. They've got some winning pedigree in the past. So, hey, go about your business. Let he, Sheer and Hughes grow. And then when you're ready to win, you know, we'll be. We'll be there waiting for you. Rangers can't do that, right? I mean, the Rangers can send a letter out, but then as soon as they get Artemi Panarin, it's like, all right, let's go, boys. Let's win. Let's. Come on, let's go. Let's. Where's that cup? Where's that championship? Same thing with the Giants. Come on, let's get going. Let's win. And then the jets, you know, you're in a big market and you're also a team that hasn't won a thing since 1968. You haven't been to the playoffs since 2010. You haven't been above.500 since 2015. You've got an exceptionally talented team, possibly a future hall of Famer as your quarterback, maybe. And Aaron Glenn is going to be taking over, and we have no idea whether he can handle all of this. And. And there's not going to be. Patience is not going to be a word that's going to be thrown out. Let's wait and see. Make your mistakes, Aaron. It's okay. Win three games. We're still behind you, buddy. 2016, 2026 is right on the horizon. Go get them. It's going to be. Let's see what you can do. Immediately. Constantly hounding, analyzing, dissecting every single move. And I wish him luck, but that's a very difficult proposition for a guy that has never done it before.
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Chris Carlin
Well, all right, so you and I both had the very same take about it, which is the apprehension. First of all, I think we're both on record of saying Aaron Glenn, the person, we're rooting for him, Right? Like, I have only positive vibes for a guy that is a class act. Was a class act as a player, was a terrific player as well, and has really done the. He's done what you're supposed to do. He got into coaching, got into scouting first, then coaching. And he's worked his way 15 years. He worked through the coaching ranks. So this is not a guy that elevated quickly. He has been around for a long time. So we want to see it work. We're both though concerned with the obvious, which is this is not a job for somebody that is inexperienced. This is not a job for somebody that could get easily overwhelmed by the demands and also, let's be honest, a circus that can be coaching the Jets. So we'll see now how he fills out his staff and certainly everything else. But what you and I, I know we talked about this before. What we really want to do today is find out because we talked a ton yesterday. We had Keyshawn on yesterday as well. We talked a lot about this, but we didn't really go to as many calls about this as we probably should. So let's do that today at 800. Now 193776. I want to open it up and hear from jets fans, football fans, whatever it is, and just your reaction to this because it is once again a player, I mean, a coach that does not have head coaching experience and that could be a major factor here. It is a former Jet. However, Chris, can he always use this phrase that I stole from him and I love using it. It's blood in the ground. Glenn does have blood in the ground. In fact, Rich Samini did a story for ESPN.com and in it right away he gets right to the point when he said on his journey from a low level scout to highly coveted coordinator, Aaron Glenn told friends his dream job was to coach the New York Jets. So this is his dream job. I know a lot of us probably say, you kidding me? This, this is more a nightmare, but it is his dream job. Will it be successful? Will he have success? Was this the right move for the jets again? 800 now a 93776.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah, I'm desperate to hear like what the fans think and also, you know, just don't bash it out of sight either. And we're both looking at the obvious negative of a lack of experience. You might wonder. All right, listen, they had the seventh ranked defense this year, 23rd the year before, 28 the year before that. It's not like he's been an amazing defensive coordinator. You know, he's, he doesn't have that.
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Chris Carlin
Kind of pedigree like when Rex Ryan came in.
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Alan Rosenberg
Right, right. You know, you know, you know, being a part of the Ravens staff and all that or, you know, or when, when his father started, decided to become a head coach and obviously the pedigree of being the defensive coordinator of maybe the greatest defense in the history of football, the 85 Bears, you know, it's not that, but he's done the work. And the one thing I want people to be open minded about it because everybody in football that you talk to says he's well prepared, he's well versed in offense and defense. He has talked about how wanting this job, wanting to be a head coach and understanding that and also the fact that he played here. Alan knows that the media scrutiny shouldn't come as any kind of a surprise because the one thing that happens to, I think a lot of coaches, I think it happened to Jim Fossil when he came, he didn't have any knowledge of the history of the Giants or New York when he got here. And same thing with Robert Sala coming here is everybody loves you. When you get the job, they're all going to congratulate you. When all the interviews you do, the scrums after the press conference, congratulating you, shaking your hand, giving you a bro hug, hey, man, welcome to New York. You're going to love it here. We wish you nothing but the best. Those same people, after two straight losses are gonna be killing you.
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Chris Carlin
Yep.
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Alan Rosenberg
And for somebody who's inexperienced, when they go, what's going on here? What a bunch of backstabbers. They were smacking me in the back saying great job, congratulations on the gig, and now they're writing articles and bashing me on the radio and the fans who all cheered me are now booing me. That's New York. That's the way it works. And I'm sure Aaron Glenn knows that, right? I mean, I'm sure he knows playing in New York, how fickle the fans could be, how fickle the media could be and be prepared for that. I think a lot of guys walk in with that kind of rah rah attitude that you have in some of the smaller markets and the college markets. I think this happens to a lot of draft picks too, where the fans are always behind you, the media is always behind you. That whole, remember that classic that the kid in Miami when the, when the heat lost and they were leaving the court and the kid was like, good God, good job, good job. They think that that's every job and that's not what New York's about. And sometimes you're a little taken aback by that. I don't think Aaron Glenn's gonna be Surprised by that.
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Chris Carlin
It's a great point you make and it's something that I've talked about. A actually talked to Robert Sala about it because, you know, again, I liked. I liked Salah and I saw what was happening to him, which you see a lot of times. Don, you. What you're talking about is something we see a lot when people come in and they think they know what they're getting in the New York market and then they go through it and they don't realize what exactly is happening. And what you described is exactly how it is. The highs are incredibly high. The lows are. Are incredibly low. There is no really in between. It never is that way. And so you don't understand the intensity that comes with it. And a lot of guys come in that great personalities and they think I'm going to have them eating out of my hands. Oh, I, I got this. They're not so tough. Big bad New York media and all that stuff. And two things happen. You're either too nice or you're too combative. And that's the problem. What you have to be, and I said this to Saleh, is, is you have to completely be in a vacuum. You just have to be. You have to understand that at the podium you are not dealing with the people holding tape recorders and microphones. That's not really what you're doing. You are in this, whether you're the manager of the Yankees, whether you're the head coach of the Giants or the jets, the head coach of the Knicks, head coach of the Rangers. Like when you are in those positions, what you do with the media is you're talking to the fans. That's who you're talking to. You're not trying to get them to write the story. Your way. Don't work like that. And I think the person. There are people that have gotten that over the years have had the most success. I think Parcels was probably the best of anyone. I mean, Joe Tory was really good as well. He understood it. Never took anything personal. Right. Just understood, I think. I'll tell you what, I think Aaron Boone's really good at it.
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Alan Rosenberg
Very good.
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Chris Carlin
Because he understands. He's a fan himself. I get it. Like, you're going to come at me, you're going to throw stones. I'm not going to take it personal. I'm not going to sit sometimes at the podium and turn it into a you versus me, us versus them and all that crap. Glenn, as a player, had the fortune of having several coaches and maybe the misfortune but during that time he also saw the worst of it. He saw guys like Cotite Costlet, he saw Pete Carroll for a year get eaten alive, who was Mr. Positive. But like by the, by the time he walked out of here, you know, he was. That was the one time you never saw him smile and then he saw parcels who was like, you know, he was a maestro with the media.
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Alan Rosenberg
Right.
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Chris Carlin
So that I think is something that he has seen and you hope that background when he comes in allows him to understand that. What I'm dealing with when it comes to media, it's like you got to take the emotion out of it and maybe we'll see it.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah, there's still be an adjustment. Right. Because as a player, even though we know he knows the New York market, there were some games he probably got dressed early and left and didn't deal with the media after a tough loss because there's. But not many. But he had the option to do that. You know, players have that option or to be Kurt Short with the media, whatever. And there were probably some days where he wasn't the guy to talk to after the game. But you're always going to be the guy to talk to after the game. When you're the head coach, you know, there's occasions where as a DC you'll talk to the media. Some organizations don't let their assistants talk at all. But now you're going to have to go there, you're going to have to talk after the game. You're going to have to talk Monday. That's the one thing that blew me away. I remember when I was covering The Giants In 99, the Giants were in Minnesota for a Monday night game. So they flew home. So obviously they dealt with the media in Minnesota. After the game was over, they fly home. And then that morning Jim Fossil had to speak to the media again and he was, he didn't get any sleep, he flew home, he went to the stadium, he worked out and watched film. And then he's got to sit there and deal with the media again.
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Chris Carlin
I just talked to you people. Now I'm talking to you again on no sleep.
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Alan Rosenberg
Then you get a Tuesday off. But then Wednesday you're back at it again, you're talking to the media again. Then your quarterback's available on Thursday and then you're going to have to on Wednesday also talk to the out of town play by play guys. And then the national media comes in to talk to you and sit down with you. That's when Buck and Aikman are going to come in because they're doing the Monday night game, and it just doesn't stop. And then. So there's that, and then there's, well, wait a minute. I got a game plan, but I got to do all this garbage. Like. So there is a.
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Chris Carlin
This is why you need a good. Yeah. And this is why you need a good coaching staff, which is. That's the next thing we'll get to is who's he bringing in? Hopefully experience some people like people you can trust, because that what you learn. And again, this is another thing Asala talked about and several other coordinates have talked about this. I mean, I think Brian Dabel talked about it as well, is when you go from being a coordinator for most of your life to being the head coach. Rex Ryan also told me about this, too. You realize that I've got to let go. I got to let my coaches coach because I got too many other things to do. I am the CEO. I'm running this thing. I got to have my travel schedule. I've got to understand, like, with a practice schedule, they're coming at me for all kinds of stuff. Like, you just mentioned the constant media appearances and things you have to do. You sometimes you don't have enough time to be hands on as much as you used to be on our used to being. So that's something that you have to learn. And maybe he did learn that watching Dan Campbell. We shall see.
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Alan Rosenberg
And also, you're letting your assistants do a lot of the heavy lifting for you. But at the end of the day, you have to know everything that they're doing.
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Chris Carlin
Right.
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Alan Rosenberg
Because the right answer can't be, I don't know, talk to the OC man. He's handling. No, no, no. You got to know the answer. So even though you might not be in the room going over the film with that particular department, you got to know what's happening inside that room to be able to answer those questions. So who does he hire? You know, we're hearing a lot of rumors he's going to hire guys that he knew in Detroit.
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Chris Carlin
Yep.
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Alan Rosenberg
You know, that's also the negative, I guess, being so young and inexperienced, is that he didn't know a lot of people. Right.
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Chris Carlin
Well, he's been in the league 15 years.
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Alan Rosenberg
No, understood. But I'm saying from a coaching standpoint, he's been around for a long time, don't get me wrong. But relationships like, he's going to probably tap in to a lot of Detroit guys because those are the guys that he worked with. He knows the best about and has.
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Chris Carlin
Had success, the most success.
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Alan Rosenberg
And that's the thing. So listen, it happened. Parcells took everybody with him from the Giants to New England to the J. Yeah, the people he knew are the people that he knew, and he trusts them. But you'd like it. But you're so right. He's got to get these coordinator hires right because it's such an important position. So we're rooting for him. I can't say it's a good hire, or I shouldn't say that. I can't say it's the right hire. I think it's a good hire. But whether it's right or not will ultimately determine on the field. I don't have a resume to look at and say, well, he's got, like. At least it was Flores. I can say, well, he had two winning seasons in Miami and, you know, he did this or he did that. I don't know. But I. It, it feels good because of, like you said, the blood on the ground, stuff. Like, that's all good, but at the end of the day, I don't know if that helps you win games, but it helps you win press conferences. It helps you win over hearts and minds. And we'll see if it did with this organization's fan base.
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Chris Carlin
All right, let's see if it's won over some of the fans right now. 800 now 193776 and I'm looking at the response we have on our call screener. Everybody has something to say about it, and that's why we are going to you. So let's start it off with Charlie and Allendale, who called the minute the show started. Go ahead, Charlie.
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Caller 1
You know, this team worries me each day. I don't understand the difference in this hire from Robert Saleh. The only difference is this guy wasn't a successful defensive coordinator. He was bad in this year's playoff game, and he was bad last year's playoff game. So the injuries take it out. They've been letting up points for the last three years with him there. I don't understand why this team cannot hire an offensive mind that can build a quarterback. You're going to have to draft a quarterback eventually, young, and have success with that. The four quarterbacks that are in the playoffs right now, they're going to be on the teams in the next 10 to 15 years. So you got to have. You can draft this. You can have this coordinator, bring him in the solid. This guy. You need to be able to draft a Young quarterback and develop them. Otherwise you're gonna have no sustainable success.
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Alan Rosenberg
But you still can do that with a defensive coach. McDermott's a defensive coach and they were able to develop Josh Allen. I mean, you look at, you look at Jaden Daniels, what he's been able to accomplish in his rookie year. Well, Quinn's a defensive guy, but they hire good offensive coordinates. So if he hires the right O.C. charlie, you'll be less concerned about it.
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Caller 1
Well, I'm hearing it's a tight ends guy, a tight ends coach, so I'm even more concerned.
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Chris Carlin
There's, there's a, there's a number of people that are on the list. There's no, there's no given right now. I wouldn't jump to conclusions with some of the reporting that's out there right now. There's, there's, we haven't heard one name. We've heard three to four names. So, you know, let's, let's, let's.
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Alan Rosenberg
Mark Brunell, what if he brings Mark Brunel in his doc? Would you feel better? At least that's a former quarterback who played in the playoffs.
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Caller 1
I would have felt better if they brought an offensive mind in. Mike McCarthy. Back to back 13 win seasons with Dallas. Who's the quarterback this year? I mean, I mean, I can't argue with you.
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Chris Carlin
Charlie. Charlie, I'll tell you what we gave you. We got a lot of calls to get to. Sorry, we got a lot of calls to get to. But that last point that he made, I can't argue with it. You can't. And the only way we won't know until this day, a year from now, right. We'll have a better idea if that was the better move or not. Robbie. In Massachusetts. Massachusetts. Robbie.
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Caller 2
Hey, guys, great to talk to you.
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Alan Rosenberg
It's.
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Caller 2
I think it's my first call since the new format with Michael gone and Mr. Han there. So congratulations on time slot. Thanks so much. Yeah, listen, guys, I mean, look, I'm a Giant fan, all right? But I grew up, I grew up rooting for both teams. I mean, I met a lot of jets over the years. My dad had connections with things and I met a lot of the guys from the jets, especially Joe Clerko, one of the nicest people on the planet. This is, this is my problem. It has nothing to do with Aaron Glenn, all right? He might be a good coach and all, but this organization just doesn't get it. Why wasn't Brian Flores brought in here? Why wasn't a guy like that with experience I mean, I don't care if it's an offensive defensive guy. Come on. Bill Parcells was a defensive guy, right? I mean, there were great coaches out there that were defensive guys. Landry, Robbie, the only pushback.
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Chris Carlin
Robbie, if I could. The only pushback I'll have on Flores, from what I've heard is. And it's not again, you know, I know Bart really well. Bart knows football. He knows defense. And he has said Flores is, you know, knows what he's doing. The concern is, is that in. In Miami, those players couldn't. They couldn't stand him. Like he. He really did sour fast on players as a head coach.
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Caller 2
What I heard from a lot of people in Miami, the same.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Chris Carlin
And so if you're Woody, that's the last thing you want to do. So who.
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Caller 2
So if you guys wanted to play gm, first of all, why did the hire GM before the coach? That's one.
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Chris Carlin
Well, because they're on the same level. Remember. Remember, there's not one. It's not a hierarchy of gm then coach. It's. They're both equal and they both report to Woody. And Woody is going to take that. Woody's the tiebreaker and all that other stuff. That is just the way he's done it forever. He's never going to change.
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Caller 2
So look at the success they've had, guys.
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Chris Carlin
Exactly. Oh, I had it out with him. I had him on and I asked him about it and I tried to push back, but he believes in it.
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Alan Rosenberg
So that's what you know. And Robbie, too.
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Caller 2
Yeah.
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Alan Rosenberg
And thanks for the phone call. There's a lot of organizations we seem to. In a lot of sports now are kind of gravitating towards that. Two completely different entities.
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Chris Carlin
Yep.
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Alan Rosenberg
We grew up with gm, hires his coach. That doesn't seem to be a way. A lot of organizations are doing it. Yes. It has not worked for the Jets. I agree with that. But there's a lot of other organizations doing it. I would have interviewed Flores anyway. And. And I think we're both on record, Alan.
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Chris Carlin
I think they did. Right.
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Alan Rosenberg
We know. I would bring him in and have myself decide whether I want him not. Not other people. But they did. They brought in a lot of people. I don't think there's anybody that hasn't been interviewed by him that there was by Woody that hasn't been looking for a job. But the overall point is, we both agree they should have brought in Mike McCarthy. And if I were Woody Johnson, I would be hiring Mike McCarthy because I need the experience. I'm not in love with Mike McCarthy. He's got his flaws, but he's, he's coached in a Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers likes him and that might be who my quarterback is. We all, we agree with that, but they weren't doing that. So he was not part of the conversation. It wasn't, there was no, that was a face off. That wasn't happening. Mike McCarthy was not being considered. So of the people that were being considered, I think this is not, this is not a bad hire because they didn't interview a lot of people with a ton of experience. Rex Flores, I, Ron Rivera. There weren't a ton of guys that had experience. So. But we all agree we would have probably hired Mike McCarthy.
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Chris Carlin
How did it when parcels were with the Giants? I know he was relatively young when he got the, when he got the head coaching job. Did he answer to, did he answer to George Young? Like, was he.
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Alan Rosenberg
Oh, yeah, no, George was the, George.
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Chris Carlin
Was in charge of him.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Chris Carlin
So the appeal with Parcells when he came to the jets was the fact that he could, he had personnel input, right?
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah. He wanted to buy the groceries.
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Chris Carlin
Remember? That was the line. Right. Okay.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Chris Carlin
Right. So he, but, but even he had to deal with that hierarchy. And I guess it worked pretty famously, didn't it? So.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah. Now, well, that's why New England. He was really thrilled because then I think he really had. Because who is it, I guess who was the GM when he was with the jets? Was Steinberg. Still. I got to, I got to think. I got to think about it. But he didn't have as much power, but he had a little bit more than he had with the Giants. Listen, it was old school with the Giants, right? George Young was the guy. He did the, he was the one that suggested. Now, obviously John Mara had the final say or Wellington at the time had the final say, but, you know, that was the hierarchy. George Young was the guy that drafted the players. George Young hired and fired the coaches.
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Chris Carlin
And Steinberg wasn't there. No, it was, it was. I think it was Parcells was the gm, I think. What was it? Was it Bradway or. No, Broadway came grabbed.
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Alan Rosenberg
It was with Herm.
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Chris Carlin
But I know he was the gm.
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Alan Rosenberg
Bill eventually, Bill eventually became the general manager of the team. I'm just trying to think when he first got there. Okay, who was the general manager? I'd have to quickly look that up.
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Chris Carlin
All right. We have tons of calls. 800-919-3776. We want to hear from you because of the reaction to this again, it is. I imagine you're down the middle because it's Glenn Aaron. Glenn is somebody that as a Jets fan, you appreciate him as a player. You appreciate the growth he has had as a coach. But is he the right coach right now? 800 now, 193776. We'll get into your calls. Plenty more to get into throughout the show, of course. Baseball hall of Fame CC Sabathia. Suzuki Ichiro is in as well. Mel Kuiper has a mock. Interesting stuff at the very top with the Giants.
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Alan Rosenberg
And real quick, just looking at it, Bill was the GM when he got there? Yeah, yeah. There were other. There were. What's his name?
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Chris Carlin
Dick Haley. Right. He was in the front office.
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Alan Rosenberg
Todd. Todd Haley was the. Was the. Was the. I'm trying to think of who is. No, Dick Haley. Yeah, right. Dick Haley was the director of player personnel. He was given the general managership when he got to the Jets.
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Chris Carlin
That's right. I thought. Because you're right. That's the famous line. Of course. Buy the groceries and all that other stuff again. Nixon Rangers both win last night. And the Rangers do we have. I want to hear from the Remy Hive because what a night he had. Right?
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Alan Rosenberg
That's their night, man.
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Chris Carlin
We got four hours and we got lots to get to. So your calls are coming up next. But. But I almost did it. But. Don, very close. You got something for me?
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Michael Kay
Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.
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Alan Rosenberg
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Michael Kay
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Chris Carlin
Listen, to be. To be fair, that's the first slip, Don. The first one. You know how we get into automatic. Right. We're not. Of course we're not. We're just changing gears. We were on a hot topic. We were rolling. And when you toss to break, a lot of times you just fall into sort of your fail safe. And, you know, I just cruise control. I have been saying bart for five years. But I almost did it. But Don, I did do it. I did do it. Your response, though, was so perfect. Like pitch perfect. Excellent volley.
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Alan Rosenberg
Do you know? Well, I did those shows with Dan.
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Chris Carlin
Yes.
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Alan Rosenberg
When you were out and Peter was out, Dan became per Dan, like several times because I'm calling him Peter. And this is, this is one of my best friends in the world. I mean, I'm very close to Dan, but I'm just used to when it's not Michael. It was always Peter, but it wasn't Peter. It was always Michael. No, I'm surprised I haven't done it. So. No, don't, don't feel bad about it. If two years from now you're still doing it, then I would. Then I'll get a complex. But right now, no issues.
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Chris Carlin
Well, we got calls to get to 800 now. 1-93776. Thank God they didn't change the phone number. I'd be screwing that up, too. But just for those who want to hear from Aaron Glenn, this is a. Like, I thought his interview with Ryan Clark on the pivot was really, really good. He gave you a lot of perspective about himself and his journey as a coach. But here I just want you to listen to him as a former player, as a former multi pro bowl player, his relationship with players and what it means to him. Take a listen to this.
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Aaron Glenn
The players have to be able to sit down and talk to you and have a conversation. Man, there are so many players I'll talk to this day. Say, man, I've never had a chance to just sit and talk with a coach. I've never had a chance to have interaction and confrontation with a coach. It's always like, I got to shut up. And I said, no, man, tell me exactly what your issues are, right, and we can talk about it, man. Me and Tracy Walker. Tracy came to my house right before training camp. Me and Trace was sitting there just knocking tape out. And one day he was just like, just quiet. And I was like, what's wrong? He said, coach, I've never, ever had a chance to go to a coach's house. Your wife over there cooking dinner, your daughter is running around, all right, And I'm sitting here watching tape, man, I Just like that just don't happen. And I was shocked. Like, why? Why can't it happen? Because you know what? As a player, man, I would love to sit down with my coach and let's sit there and pick his brain and watch. That's what I want to offer to all my players. Coaches over here and players over. That's not where we are, man. We right here, right? Cause my job is to help you get better. That's my only job. My job is to create a winning environment for you, get you paid. Cause everybody wins, right? The organization wins and you win if all those things happen. So yeah, I'm gonna sit here and spend as much time as I can with you. Cause that's my pleasure anyway, to sit here and watch tape with you and get you better.
- [28:01]
Chris Carlin
That right there is part of the reason why if you're Woody Johnson and you heard any of that in an interview, you'd fall in love with him. Cause he seems to get it when it comes to relationships with players.
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Alan Rosenberg
But what we're saying is, is that, that I think he wants to do that, plans on doing that. But once he gets the job, will he have the time to do that? Like, coach, you said you wanted to talk. I was like, yeah, but you know, I got to do this interview on sny, and then right after that I've got a meeting with the special teams coach because I didn't like the way things went down on that in that game. And then I got this and I got that and I got this and I got that. When you're the dc, you have all the time in the world for your players because you don't have to game plan other than just getting your defense ready to play. And in game, you know, you can have all the time in the world, but now you got to decide or am I going for it on fourth down, how am I going to utilize my timeouts and you know, what am I going to tell the team at halftime? Like, there's. I'm just saying that there's a lot to do. So would you be surprised, Alan, if we fast forward a year from now? And he says, boy, I, I thought I'd have the time to communicate with the players. I just, I. I got to manage the time better because I just didn't realize that I wouldn't have that kind of time to sit down and have that kind of personal relationship with the players. Those are the things he's going to find out, hopefully every first year coach. But there's a lot that goes into.
- [29:20]
Chris Carlin
It every first year coach. This is what they deal with. It's the time management in their first year is always a thing that a lot of these coaches all talk about. And that's something that you have to figure out. And you either learn it or you don't. And guys like Sean McVeigh learned it. Right. Kevin O'Connell learned it. You know, the. Some of these guys do figure it out at a young age.
- [29:38]
Alan Rosenberg
It's managing the schedule. And it's not managing the schedule of games and teams you're playing, it's managing the schedule for the day.
- [29:45]
Chris Carlin
Yeah.
- [29:45]
Alan Rosenberg
All the things that you now have to do and that time management, everybody goes in with the best of expectations. Right. Everything just, just, just anything in life, whether it's sit down, planning a show. When we sit down to do our 30 minute meeting before the show, look how easily it gets derailed. All of a sudden we start talking about something else. Oh, my God, we got five minutes before the show, guys. What are we doing? Like, because it's all about managing your time. I'm gonna, I plan on spending a lot of time with my kids, but then I come home and there's bills to pay and there's the, the cats did something or, you know, I get a call from work and all of a sudden I gotta put this fire out. My mom has a question. And now the, the hour I planned on spending with the twins now has been whittled down to 15 minutes because life got in the way. Like, that's, that's what he is gonna have to. That time management is something that I don't think you could prepare yourself for until you actually go out there and.
- [30:34]
Chris Carlin
Have to do it just got me emotional. It's like the Cat's in the Cradle song, what you just described. Right?
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah, it's. That was always my favorite song.
- [30:43]
Chris Carlin
I can't get through it.
- [30:44]
Alan Rosenberg
You can't. It hits so different once you have kids.
- [30:46]
Chris Carlin
Yep.
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Alan Rosenberg
And then. And if you haven't heard the song, what's the matter with you?
- [30:51]
Chris Carlin
Right?
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Alan Rosenberg
Who doesn't know Harry Chapin, Local guy, you know, passed away years ago, but he tragically just. Yeah. On the lie, he. He's telling the story about he's got no time for his kid. Cats in the cradle, the silver spoon, all that. And then at the end of the song, his son's got grown up and he's calling the son and his son's like, you know, dad, the kid's got the flu. I got work, like. And he became his dad.
- [31:15]
Chris Carlin
Yeah.
- [31:15]
Alan Rosenberg
He wanted his son to become him, and he did. Because his son didn't have any time. Because he didn't have any time for his son. It's such a sad song.
- [31:23]
Chris Carlin
The last lie. My boy grew just like me. It's like you hit that part of the song and you're just done like you're a puddle. If you have kids, especially the son, like, it's, it's one of those things that hits you and then you think about your dad. It's. Anyways, we're going off on a tangent 800 now, but you, you saying that, though, made me think of that song as you were describing. Because how many of us as dads, as parents, all kind of have that same thing going on in our lives? And we realize this is what a head coach's life is like. And he has a family too. Buddy, the way. Let's get back to the calls. 800 now. 193776. Justin's in Queens. You're up next on the show. What's up, Justin?
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Caller 3
Hey, guys. Man, I love you two guys together. This show is awesome.
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Alan Rosenberg
Thank you, buddy.
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Caller 3
No, no, no problem. Hey, Don, I called you last week. You probably don't remember, but I, I, we were talking about the same topic and I asked you, I said, when was the last time the jets got a hot assistant stolen from them? And it never happens, right? It never happened.
- [32:17]
Alan Rosenberg
It's a great point.
- [32:19]
Chris Carlin
When was the last time a coordinator on the jets became a head coach somewhere else because everybody wanted to hire him?
- [32:25]
Caller 3
And it just never happens. So I think Glenn is the right guy. He's the right leader. But the reason Salah failed is because he had, he was a rookie coach with a rookie quarterback and a rookie play caller. Glenn, he's got half the battle because this team is already stacked. But he's got to get the a hot assistant that is undoubtedly going to be able to do what Kingsbury did for, for, for Daniels because a rookie coach can work. Look at D'Amico. The Miko got, Theo got the quarterback, but he had the, he got the hot assistant. So Glenn can be the same guy. You don't have to be an offensive guy to be successful.
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Chris Carlin
Yeah, no, I, I completely agree with it. Justin, I have your answer. I think it's Bill Belichick, right?
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah, probably right.
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Chris Carlin
And they wanted to keep him. He didn't want to stay here. David and Elizabeth. David, what's going on?
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Caller 2
Don and Hon. Hey, I'm really excited about the Aaron Glenn hire. Like I said, hopefully we can lock up Newmark. But one thing that, you know, that I would say is a knock on the hire. He has no experience, but I like his knowledge, and I like, you know, all the things that he brings to the table, and I hope he can bring it, you know, change things around for us.
- [33:36]
Alan Rosenberg
Well, it's good. It's a good attitude. I hope you're right, but it's all hope. There's nothing tangible to say that this will work better than something else. You just have to hope. Because they all know the game, Allen. They've all put in the work. They've all sacrificed everything to become a head coach. Some work, some don't, you know, so there's no way to tell unless you've seen them do it before. That's why I said experience matters, because then I can look back, all right? I can go to Pro Football Reference, all right? That's what his record was in 17 and 16 and 15. Okay. And then. All right, that's. That's something I can. That's tangible. That's. That's. There's something to that. So it's all just hope. But you should be hopeful. You know, I got no problem being hopeful, but I can understand somebody being apprehensive.
- [34:26]
Chris Carlin
Danny in Centerport, is he apprehensive? Danny, I know you're a diehard jets fan. How are you feeling today, you know, Alan.
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Caller 4
Good afternoon, guys. I'm going to embrace it, Alan. I'm going to embrace it because I have no choice to embrace it, right? What am I a little sick to my stomach that we left the super bowl winning coach like you guys just talked about, and Don hit perfectly that we just left him on the table, didn't even kick the tires, didn't even want to interview him. I understood Pete Carroll didn't want the interview. Okay, fine. But Mike McCarthy didn't want it. So it's concerning to me, Right? But, you know, the last two calls hit it perfectly, and you guys talked about it, and it's truly how I feel. I don't want the. The new hot assistant. I need to. I need experience assistance around him. I think it's imperative. Imperative that. That Aaron Glenn hires experienced guys around him. That all the things you just talked about, planning the day, planning all the things that he. He's not really accustomed to realizing what he's getting involved, somebody to shake his side and say, yo, you realize this is going to happen? You realize that's going to happen? Like, give me a Frank Reich, you know, in his corner, Give Me, a Doug Peterson in his corner.
- [35:34]
Alan Rosenberg
You just nailed the name, Danny. I've been bringing that up. Like, I don't know if Doug Peterson would want the job, but he has won a Super bowl as a head coach. He's a former quarterback. I, I would love to have him.
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Caller 4
Be my OC 100% don. Like, I need, I need the experience next to him. I don't. If he rolls the dice like Salah did, we're going to be in the same boat. I can't have another guy. Listen, guys, think about it. Think about your first day or your first six months on radio. The first, first job you ever had, what it was like for you guys. Same for me. I'm in construction. The first day I walked out onto a, onto a scaffold that I was a thousand feet in the air and riding an outside elevator. I was like, oh my God, my sight. So he can't, he can't have that. He needs somebody to shake him up and be by his side. It's so important at this point for him to bring in the right guys. Guys. I'll tell you one quick thing, Alan, because you know, I can get long winded. I walked into Tampa, okay, and played Innisbrook in Tampa. Copperhead. I put my jet bag down on the golf range and I was a hell of a golfer in my day. Was about a 3, 4, 5 handicap. I put it down and who's next to me? Aaron Glenn. This is 20 years ago, Alan. Do you know where he stopped and watched me hit balls? Because I was hitting balls. Well, he invited me into his foursome. It was the best day of my life. So my rooting for sky played for with him and Ray Minkins. It was the best four hours of my life. And do you know, Alan, he couldn't get over the fake spike. We talked about it for three hours. It bothered him so bad. You know, Aaron Glenn was the one toasted by Marino on the fake spike. And yeah, he couldn't get over it. But I'm rooting for the guy so hard. But he needs experience around him, guys. If he brings in, you know, Brunel as his oc, like, he could be great. We can't have that. We need somebody by his side.
- [37:23]
Alan Rosenberg
You need somebody that wants the job too.
- [37:24]
Chris Carlin
So we're going to see Dan.
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Alan Rosenberg
We will see. That's why I disagreed with the caller before. And thank you, Danny. About, you know, well, Salah, you know, didn't have the team. I. But the fact that Aaron Glenn has the team, I don't necessarily look at that as a positive. It's a positive as far as like your chances of winning if he turns out to be the right guy. But it just raises the expectations. That's why I use the analogy like if the Giants hired Aaron Glenn, if they let Dable go. Well, you don't have a ton of talent. You don't know who your quarterback is. There's no expectations you could fail. You can learn on the job and there'll be less pressure because there's not going to be an expectation to win. If Aaron Rodgers comes back and they come back intact, there's going to be an expectation to win. So that screw up going forward on fourth down or forgetting how many timeouts you had left or 12 men on the field, those and it cost you a game, going to be devastating.
- [38:17]
Chris Carlin
Absolutely, Absolutely true. And that is again, all the things that you worry about, which is why experience does matter. If it's not going to be as a head coach, make sure the experience is on your coaching staff. It is one thing, though, I will say, like Rex made sure he had experience around him on that coaching staff. Like it's, it's who do you know, what experience can you bring in? And just making sure that you are, you're not walking into a rebuild. The assumption here is you're walking into a roster that many thought before the season started was one of the best in the NFL. So that is something that you have to keep in mind here. This is not going to be a typical rookie coach coming in and there's, you know, this is a rebuild. Like Salah walked into a rebuild. It was like, give it some time. This is not going to be that.
- [38:57]
Alan Rosenberg
What a. Bowles had four wins his last season before he got fired by the jets. So there weren't any expectations. The feeling is the jets failed this year because they weren't coached well.
- [39:07]
Chris Carlin
Right? Exactly. This wasn't a talent deficiency. This was a intelligence deficiency.
- [39:13]
Alan Rosenberg
Right. And now you're coming in to be the guy. So that shouldn't be the problem. And if it is, then we've got bigger fish to fry.
- [39:20]
Chris Carlin
800 now we're 93776. We have more calls to get to as well, Don, but you got a little business for me again.
- [39:26]
Alan Rosenberg
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- [39:56]
Michael Kay
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- [39:59]
Alan Rosenberg
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
- [40:01]
Michael Kay
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- [40:08]
Chris Carlin
And pass the tissues.
- [40:11]
Alan Rosenberg
I used to really bother K. Whatever. We'd go out somewhere that we do karaoke.
- [40:18]
Chris Carlin
Oh man.
- [40:19]
Alan Rosenberg
And I would sing Taxi.
- [40:21]
Chris Carlin
Oh, that's a great song.
- [40:22]
Alan Rosenberg
And I think it irritated him because the song was long and he didn't like the attention being away from him that long. But in all seriousness, he just got so upset. But that seemed to be in my range, you know.
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Chris Carlin
Oh, this is your range?
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Alan Rosenberg
Flying so hot when I'm stoned. He was a Long island guy. Did a lot for world hunger.
- [40:47]
Chris Carlin
Yes.
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Alan Rosenberg
And unfortunately was killed in a car accident. 1980.
- [40:51]
Chris Carlin
Yeah, about that time.
- [40:52]
Alan Rosenberg
81. Something like he was like 35. He had a young son.
- [40:56]
Chris Carlin
It's really sad story, but devastating.
- [40:59]
Alan Rosenberg
Pretty amazing work that he's been able to do with his family after he passed away with the work with hunger. So.
- [41:05]
Chris Carlin
And the foundation continues beyond his life. His family has continued it and so the work continues. But the song itself, for anybody, again, younger generations might not have heard it. It's. I know it's folk, see, and sounds kind of 70s is. But give it a minute. Especially if you're close with your dad and then you could. It gives you perspective on life and that's all I can tell you. And then if you have a son of your own, it gives you that different perspective. So the song hits two different ways depending on when you. When you hear it. Aaron Glenn, according to Adam Schefter, will be the jets next head coach. Just think about again, as the story goes, this was his dream job and this is exactly what he said a little while ago. Rich Samini had talked about it in his story. And how about this experience when you think about what, what, what Aaron Glenn has been through just as a Jet in his years as a Jet. If anyone understands the. Is dysfunction the right word probably when it comes to the jets, but you know what I mean. He was coached by Pete Carroll, Bill Parcells. He had Bill Belichick as well as a head coach like Herm Edwards. Like, like he has gone through it a lot of different coaches. Now. Cotite was also a coach, but that wasn't long. It didn't last long, and it wasn't very good. But he has been coached by a lot of successful coaches. So how much did he get from all that experience of working with and playing for these coaches? That will remain to be seen. Really curious to see what Bill Parcells thinks of all this as well. But right now, Don, it is a super box bonanza. 6. Each qualifier takes home an ESPN prize pack. Have a chance to win one of 10 super box prizes. So right now, caller number Aaron Glenn's number was 31. You want to go with that?
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah, why not Put Anthony to work.
- [42:55]
Chris Carlin
Well, let's whittle that down. How about three and one is four. Caller number four right now at 888-987-ESPN. 888-987- ESPN. Select the box for the big game with a chance to win $250 in the first and third quarters. 500 for halftime and a final score payout of $1,000. All brought to you by Tullimardu. Irish whiskey and Sloman's Security. It used to be. When was the last year the jets won the Super bowl? Let's go with 1960.
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Alan Rosenberg
Right. So. So caller number 1968. He did play in the championship game in 98. Yeah, against the Broncos. He was inactive in the championship game. The Jaguars played in 07 against the Patriots or the. The division. Excuse me, the divisional round.
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Chris Carlin
Right.
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Alan Rosenberg
So he's got. He's got postseason experience. Not. Not a ton. Was it four games that he actually played. He was active with Jacksonville the last.
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Chris Carlin
Two years with Detroit, of course, got, you know, plenty of that experience as well, but not great endings. So should.
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Alan Rosenberg
Have. Should have won against Seattle in, oh, six. That was the Romo fumble on the field goal attempt. He was on that Cowboy team.
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Chris Carlin
Yeah, that's right. Parcels brought him into Dallas as well. See, again, Parcell's thought enough of him. You know, like, Bill was big on, like, certain players that he'd want in his culture. Wherever he'd go, he'd take him with. Remember Pepper Johnson came to the jets and those guys like. So the fact that he brought him into Dallas says a lot about how.
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Alan Rosenberg
He felt about it, but it's an exact science because Bill Parcells also recommended Ray Hanley when he left the Giants, so. Because I don't know if anybody can ever know exactly, because we always hear the story. I always knew he'd be a great head coach. I always Knew he'd be a great manager. They probably said that about a lot of guys that didn't end up being great. So you never hear that story. It's. I don't want to say it's a crapshoot because there is a lot that goes into it. I think there are certain triggers in an interview in somebody's past where you say, I be worried about that guy. I don't. I'm not worried about him other than the lack of experience. But there's nothing there that tells me that he can't do the job. He was a good leader as a player. Been around. He's definitely put the work in. Success as a defensive coordinator. Not overwhelming success, Allen as a defensive coordinator, but success nonetheless. He was coveted. Other. Other. He's been talked about along with Ben Johnson all year as a potential head coaching candidate. So he does check a ton of boxes. So that makes you have to make you feel good. But we still don't know.
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Chris Carlin
So how much of an impact do you think he can have on Sauce Gardner just. Just because of the position? Right. Sauce Gardner went from a guy who was, you know, again, rookie of the year, all pro. And then this past year, he looked as confused and lost as I've ever seen him. He's such a great kid. He means well. His tackling was a problem, but I mean, you got Aaron Glenn there. You think he can get him, right? Cause he's a talent.
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Alan Rosenberg
I'm sure his presence is going to help. How could it not?
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Chris Carlin
Gotta hope so. So him and Ray Mickens, you had Reavis and Cromartie, and then of course, you had Reed and, and, and. And Sauce. Think about duos the jets have had at cornerback over the years. Right? Ray Mickens was good. He was underrated.
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Alan Rosenberg
No, he very good.
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Chris Carlin
But that was a very good. Those are good 10. So there's one thing the jets have been good at over the years is they seem to find good corners. How about we find a good quarterback? How about we figure out if the Giants can find a quarterback in the draft? Mel Kuiper's latest mock has some interesting suggestions at the very top that we will discuss and continue with your calls as well. So stay with us. Don Han, Rosenberg, 880 ESPN Don Legrack.
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- [46:59]
Michael Kay
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Chris Carlin
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Michael Kay
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